Hands on Christopher Ward Twelve Integrated Bracelet Automatic Watch Titanium & Stainless Steel
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- Опубліковано 23 сер 2024
- Hands on Christopher Ward Twelve Integrated Bracelet Automatic Watch Titanium & Stainless Steel
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Thank you very much for this. It was great to see the purple on the wrist. It’s the one I’m getting in honour of my dad who died this year. Purple was his favourite colour 🟣
Man I am a sucker for this style.😍😍
Same. I’m going to be in trouble.
Ahhhh. Beautiful review ad always. Wish CW used grade 5 Ti
Really debating between this and the Straum Jan Mayen
Seems to be a trend with CW that if you want the COSC version of a watch, they also force you to go with oddball colors. In this case the 2 saturated colors, for others the bronze case.
Agreed. I’m passing on this watch simply due to those odd colors. Feels like a huge miss to me.
Yes. It is very frustrating. I'd love to buy the white dial and the blue dial 36mm versions with COSC certification.
@@Davnatandale 100% Would love the White or Glacier on steel with COSC
Colors in camera shots may be deceiving. It may be worth to see different colors in person.
CW have 60 days returns and 0% finance may allow to take 2 or more watches and make decision which color you like the most, then send back the other ones (or all of them if there is no joy).
I’m not a fan of the crown guards but hard to complain about grade 2 titanium when omega charge 5 x the price on the NYTD
Love that Sea Time book over your shoulder- I have that same one plus Drive Time and Air Time.
A lot of the design language comes from Czapek as one of the designers at CW worked or (also)works there.
Great watch! Bravo CW 👏
Thanks for the review. Enjoyed that. 🙌🙏
The PRX is a toy next to this watch. It is not even a comparison.
The build quality, the materials, the movement, the thickness, the price - everything is way up.
Right,the PRX looks like an old fugly tank next to this. Ugh.
I had the Purple Titanium on the top of my list but it unfortunately just dropped off due to the scratching issue that you helpfully highlighted.
I buy titanium for the aesthetic but primarily for the hardness and durability. I don’t see the value (or point) in paying a premium for titanium and have it scratch easily.
What a shame.
If I were you I wouldn't get scared off by scratches...I can't speak for The Twelve, but I have a Tudor Pelagos 39 which is also grade 2 titanium and I don't notice it scratching more easily compared to my stainless steel watches, doesn't matter if compared to the standard 316L, or 904L steel of my Rolex.
Sooner or later, every watch will scratch anyways, so having the mentality of keeping a watch free of scratches will only make it hurt more, once that first inevitable scratch shows up...
Scratches annoy the shit out of me, especially when the finish gets marred by nothing more than resting your hand on a desk. It boggles the mind why manufacturers don’t bother to case-harden the material. I would gladly pay more for a watch that I don’t have to baby.
I want this but don't know if I like an integrated bracelet.
Wow! So beautiful! But it’s expensive the titanium version.
Tag used sw300 for their calibre 7s. and omega used the 2892-A2 which was the sw300 was cloned from. The movement is pretty fire which makes the watch more than worth it
Between this and the ML Aikon, which is better in terms of fit and finish?
Thinner and titanium? I would choose cw
Which one do you prefer the titanium or the steel 12?
Reviewer seems to be leaning to Ti but this is personal joice. If you prefer lighter watch then Ti may be way to go.
If you are after improves resistance fro scratches you may prefer stainless steel one.
If it's more about look'n'fell... order both and send back the one you like less?
Good attempt from CW, good-looking watches, and adding variety to their lineup. Two big misses to me, however, is not offering the SW300 with the stainless steel. Many like the heft of SS and prefer that over Ti. They'll miss a lot of sales with that omission. Also, grade 2 with no harding? Why pay for the upgraded movement and unique dial color if the case and bracelet will scratch up easier than the SS version? To me, another miss for sales. Maybe 2nd generation will have more cohesive thought.
I mentioned that at their booth at Windup watch fair in SF and they said they had ZERO plans on doing what you mentioned. It didn’t even seem like they cared even after I mentioned that they will get a lot more sales this way. Same way on Instagram in their comments section. They didn’t comment on it whatsoever whilst commenting on other people’s comments showing that they are only half listening to their client base.
@tupakveli That's nonsense to not even consider something that seems to make perfect sense. In the end, the consumers' dollar always wins out, so we'll see if they change their strategy.
You're not getting the finishing, facets, chamfers, and polishing on Grade 5 sub $2K. This will sell well (already back ordered to Nov) and CW will make a bunch of money
@@watchfalcon122 Then the flipside would be adding hardening treatment for let's say an additional $200. My $700 Traska has that treatment and i bang it up almost everyday that I wear it and no scratches. With titanium, the luster is already a bit muted, just like the stainless steel Traska with that specific treatment so they wouldn't be losing much in that department regardless.
@@tupakveli if you use the coating, it can wear off and also not be refinished to factory spec. Tudor Pelagos uses Grade 2 with no treatment and they hold up fine.
which movement would you choose , the powermatic 80 or the SW200 ?
I hear the powermatic 80 is part plastic and therefore disposable ? the reason I bought the quartz PRX . I would like to know more about the Swatch movement.
I'd lean to SW-200 but if priority is power reserve then powermatic 80 is still worth considering.
According disposable movement... How much is service (overhaul of whole movement) and how much is the new movement?
If they are similar cost then maybe there is no point in worrying about serviceability and from economical point of view it may be better to use watch for many years until it develop any missbehaviour/failure and then replace the movement.
I'm generally not interested in homage watches unless they are improved versions of its original part. In this case, I would prefer these over PRX and even IWC ones.
Is the architecture of a cosc movement different?
No, they're regulated to COSC specification
Note: CW The Twelve COSC model is SW-300 movement and non-COSC one is SW-200.
Love them, but the triangular markers make the dial look… puckered…
Prx is for rookies , this is a class watch Christopher Ward officially has 4 big hitting watches , the moon phases the bell canto, and the 12 , Christopher ward is making some mf, moves I love it all, it’s becoming one of my favorite brands in the watch world rn
Do these watches need servicing?
All automatic watches will need a service at some stage. Usually every 7-10 years but varies
I have the Twelve Ti Blue with bracelet on order. I also have the Bel Canto Purple with bracelet on order. I think that these two watches will propel Christopher Ward to accelerated growth, and that these are the limited days when you can get them for relatively cheap.
The business model is not to charge more than x3 the cost of making. But this can obviously change in the future
Surprised I’m not hearing more people draw the dial/indices comparison to the Omega Aqua Terra, it’s nearly 1 for 1 down to the color matched date at the 6.
Exactly.
Beautiful watch by CW. I prefer the heft of SS over Titanium. I really wish CW gave the customer the option of upgrading the movement on the SS version watch to the COSC certified movement. CW, hope you are listening.
why is that watch a step up on quality vs the pre? PRX movement is better, the dial is also amazing. I don't understand why you think that one is a step up in quality
Perhaps watch more close ups in YT clips of both watches to try to asses the quality yourself. Arms, dials, printouts etc.
If you don't see difference there is probably no point to pay more for CW.
According movement the PRX have 80h power reserve vs 38h of this watch, but... Powermatic 80 to achive the 80h lowered frequency from 4Hz to 3Hz (seconds arm sweep is less "fluent"/attractive), also people complain that Powermatic 80 have plastic components and is less or perhaps non-servicable and instead it's disposable.
Good luck with research and making your own choice :)
That purple is GORGEOUS. Looking forward to seeing the PRX comparison as it’s on my shortlist.
What happened to your subscribers? Didn't you used to have under 40k?? ;-)
I love the purple think it’s beautiful
If that purple was SS but still had the chronometer, I'd buy it. I've been looking for a purple dial watch and they are hard to find. If anyone knows of any purple dial watches that are reasonably priced, let me know.
Zelos aurora. New version drops in one day. Nebula. Very similar colour to the 12. But cheaper
They really should've had a hardened coating on the Ti version. That was the dealbreaker for me on that model. The steel model having a SW200 made it a pass for me. Decent attempt, but just missed the mark for me.
I really wish they would use female end links not male!
Fine vid Chris, Thanks
Beautiful watch. I'm digging the purple... so different and unique
Thanks for doing this! Really interested in the PRX comparison, probably going to buy one of the two in the next year.
Love them. Will probably order one at some point.
Right now, their customer service has too many problem. Since Bel Canto, their repair time is super long, they never answer phone and email takes days to get a reply, IF you get a reply at all.
There's a lot of angry customer on comunities... They really have to step up..
Still waiting on my blue Ti. Ordered the day it launched.
Me too. They are delayed on the rubber strap but say the watch will ship first
I just picked up a prx I almost wish I woulda went this route
THE PURPLE DIAL IS JUST AWESOME THE COLLAR GOES OUT THE WATCH LOOKS GREAT THE VIDEO IS PERFECT WHAT ELSE CAN I SAY KEEP MAKEING MORE VIDEO I LIKE IT
I think you were bang on, does need a lumed second hand, and would be much better in grade 5 titanium. I would also like a micro adjust a bit like the jlc polaris
Hey from down under! Great review, am a CW fan and currently own a Trident, good to see CW getting some airplay. CW are always great value for money. Would love to see how this compares to the Nivada Grenchen F77 as well as the PRX.
I like this design more than any other current ‘affordable’ integrated bracelet sports watch on the market, by a country mile! But I’m very disappointed that CW only offer the premium movement on the duller much more scratch prone titanium versions. I hope at some point in the very near future they rectify this.
Either by using a scratch resistant coating on the titanium, or even better, just upgrade from Grade 2 to Grade 5 (is the latter that much more expensive?) or just offer the SW-300 as an option on the steel version, which visually just looks so much nicer anyway. I might even purchase one myself at that point, it’s a very desirable timepiece…almost.
I almost snagged one of these - very tempting!
Love the purple dial ❤
It can't compete with ML beacuse Aikon has insane quality, machining,ar coating and maybe the best integrated braclet on the market for 2k.
Love Christopher Ward. But at twice the price of the Tissot,it’s not twice as good a watch. I’ll order a CW dune instead.
It's more than twice as good as the PRX. The PRX looks and feels like a cheap toy out of a cereal box
One fact that seems to have been lost in the shuffle is that the head designer at CW Adrian Buchmann was also on the Antarctique team as well.
I have a SS white dial on order. I had a PRX and suspect/expect that this will be a big step up.
purple looks a lot better than I thought. Great review. Definitely a step up from the PRX.
The dial is horrendous. PRX has cleaner textures.
The review I was waiting for! thanks
that purple dial looks pretty cool
No black dial is annoying.
Nice watches and good video.
Love both of these. Ti looks amazing but worried purple will date, and blue too bright. Perhaps a Tiff style blue would work? White looks super. Great review and comparison
There is a light blue dial stainless steel version ✌️
@@v0llm1lch yeah, I like that, would like the Ti case ... Not sure I can afford either so not really an issue lol
@@ajcallaway123 yea I'm just not a Ti guy, I need a little weight on my wrist 😁 and it's grade 2 so it will probably scratch pretty fast. I ordered the light blue stainless steel but I also like that white/silver dial and the grey one also grew on me.
Just got my second PRX 80. Looking forward to adding a Ti 12. I feel very much like a stereotype 😅 but these scratch the itch without selling the farm
Always liked the look of CW's, the old logo kind of miss. For the cost would l get one over a Formex E39 or saving more for Tudor 1926? Not sure. Or even for Tissot 1853 fans.
I want a 1926 too!!
I really want to like this watch, and I do like the ice blue one, but I want to like it more and I just can't, I just think the PRX looks better and for far cheaper. There's a lot of design elements with this that just don't really hit home for me
That purple one is INSANE!!!
Nice watch. BTW, the applied markers are straight from the Glashütte Original Seventies Panorama Date!
Hope they make a dark green one!
I find the bracelet tapers too thin too quickly for my liking on an integrated 40mm watch. Fingers crossed for the 36
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I'm picking up more of a laureato vibe from this . Beautiful watch, I'm looking forward to your prx comparison video ! Thanks for the review Chris! ❤
85K subs, let’s go 👏 🔥
Ti doesn’t get scratched easily. What you are scratching is the oxidation. Where it scratched will grow back
Grade 2 titanium scratches with more ease than most stainless steels
@@MES1808NYC I have my PAM 311 as daily for 1.5 year which I don’t wear or treat it differently than my Aqua Terra WorldTime and I can see more hairline scratched on my Aqua Terra and my PAM 311 and this is from experience. From the original video, Chris said by handling the C12 already scratched the watch which cannot be true
Looking forward to the direct comparison video to the PRX.
I thought about buying the titanium one until I saw non hardened grade 2 titanium. Furthermore, no white/lighter dial for the titanium version so I have to pass until Christopher Ward comes to their senses. At $1800, I see no reason for a titanium watch to scratch that easily. Also, I don’t see why they could not have just put a non COSC SW-300 movement instead of the inferior SW-200 movement in the stainless steel watch as I’ve seen the Islander put an SW-3xx grade movement in their $695 GMT.
SW 200-1 is absolutely fine in this price range imho. I've got 4 watches with this movement, they are doing good
@@v0llm1lch I agree and I do too and at even higher price points than the base model Twelve, but I'm sure that divide is causing a lot of people to not even consider one. At least from what I'm reading on Instagram comments. A lot of people are disappointed in that. I would fore go it no matter what and just get the titanium edition, provided it had the right colors and hardening. My $700 Traska Venturer has been banged against metal and such and no scratches whatsoever so I'd appreciate that hardening for near $2k. Hell, I'm sure many people would pay an additional $200 for that treatment alone. That's my personal biggest gripe
I bought the blue fume in titanium and am expecting it any day now.
Ugh.. CW.. get rid of the date window!!!! It would look sooo much better without!!!!
I think it would lead to a ghost position or require a modification... so it wouldndrive up the price. Not sure how much though.
@@BobbyTable couldn’t they use a movement without a date function? I would think it would be less expensive as there are less moving parts and less labor involved?
@@tomfilippone6303 Indeed, you are correct. Sellita makes no Date variants of both movements. I thought that was just an option for the SW200. However, they are a lot leas common so it could be a supply issue as well. If the Twelve takes off you don't want to be restricted by that.
Going to a different supplier is probably not an option either. Not worth it after working together for so many years.
@@BobbyTable you have a good point. However, I think that watch companies put the date window simply because that’s the tradition. No one uses the date window anymore because we all have smart phones, just like most people don’t have land lines anymore in their houses. It’s such a beautiful watch, I just think it would look amazing without the date window. However, you could be right in your analysis.
CW makes some of the ugliest watches they are way to crowded designs, too much going on.
Ridiculous statement.
@justinhendren540 pointless rebuttal.
If you're going to disagree say something about it
Dial looks Aqua Terra like.
That titanium color is too basic, too dark.
looks like nautilus had sex with Tissot prx and omega sea master. too much going on. Tissot Prx is a lot cleaner in design imo.
that color is horrid
so you get an uglier watch and pay more. That sounds about right from CW. Come on guys.
A shame I had to cancel my order due to the worst customer service I have ever experience in a watch company. Probably they had high demand but still… they have to honor confirmed orders or at least answer worried customers. I was very disappointed to the point of cancelling my order and taking my money elsewhere. A real pity.
Same story for me! I had to cancel my order because I couldn’t track it online and I couldn’t get any help from their atrocious customer support.
replica ish kind of a bullshit watch
Almost 2 grand for a brand that has just about the same history and prestige as my lawnmower: No thanks. It would be nice to know the weight difference by the way between the steel and the titanium version as that determines wearability and comfort on wrist . Sorry but I personally dislike CW , there are many better options out there for $2000 or less in my opinion. I would buy a Tissot PRX Powermatic 80 if I wanted an integrated bracelet look watch and have about $1250 left over to buy another watch .
It's no doubt very well built and finished, But the design is non-daring, SeaMaster/PRX fused.IMHO.
Prx better
For a starting price of $1225 that goes all the way to $1875 I don't think I want a watch that shares the same movement as an Invicta.
You obviously don't know very much about watch movements.
Are there Invictas with COSC rated Sellita SW300 movements?
Many companies use either ETA or Sellita movements in their watches. Why act surprised? Go purchase a Rolex if you want entire watch to be made in house. You will pay for it too.
Purple watches are ghastly. Textured dials are ugly too. Two dogs.