Thanks Doc for a very comprehensive take on this. I haven't had one in hand to truly judge myself, but the only two things I like about it 'appearance' wise is the low profile head and the selector switch seems like a metal upgrade. That being said, I'll stick with my Dual-80's. I like and trust them and they are time-tested.
My snap-on guy just got one in. I had been wanting to see one. He handed it to me the first thing I checked was back drag. I held that ratchet for less than 5 seconds and said, yup I hate it, and handed it back. The Dual 80 is a great product, don't mess with it.
Yeah. It’s weird when you see one of a companies supposedly best products and decide the other design is better. Like Gearwrench’s 120 vs 90 tooth. The 90 tooth is just a better ratchet. Less back drag, stronger, etc.
You realize you dont actually know backdrag till you put a socket on it and yse it? Craftsman v series on shelf feels like it has a lot of backdrag but when i actually use the ratchet the backdrag is hardly present
I have a 100 tooth husky that felt infinitely better. Il stick to the duel 80's like you or the gear wrench 90. Seems there is such a thing as to many teeth.
I went mostly all Koken for ratchets, sockets extensions etc a good while back; life's been 'ponies/rainbows' ever since. Life's too short for piddling with Snap-On's quirks, idiosyncrasies drama & astronomical pricing... not to mention I haven't even seen one of their trucks around town in a decade.
I own both koken and snap on. I got over 5k in koken. Good luck warrantying koken compared to snap on… snap on takes 1-2 days. Let me know how long koken takes. Lol
Serious question for ya rwbishop as I’m with ya on the koken 💯 I love koken tools I have all the fixed head z series however firstly I wish they made a long handle flex head half inch drive or even just long handle 1/2” z series and secondly with their flex heads if you only use their ratchets you may have experience with their flex heads and are likely aware you cannot tighten the flex head so my question is have you ever seen them getting floppy? That’s my main concern with them is with extended use they will get floppy and with not being able to tighten the flex joint thatd really suck not only that the warranty drama and gray market bs kinda sucks so just gotta make sure your koken dealer is authorized or koken USA won’t honor kokens warranty ie amazon etc
My son has been buying the new style. I am adequately stocked up on ratchets, so I am not tempted to add the new version. I am a huge fan of the 80 tooth style. I went to other brands than Snap-On to get smooth fine tooth function until Snap-On introduced the 80 tooth pear head style. I tried a few of the Snap-On round head fine tooth ratchets. They are okay, but they feel quirky to me. I am old enough to recall when SK introduced the 70 tooth ratchet. I purchased 3 versions. SK did a tremendous job with that tool. Extremely thin necked handle, small head, but I didn't particularly like the knurled handle. I used those ratchets exclusively over the old style Snap-On pear head ratchets due to the slim features and short handle swing. I broke the reversing switch actuating pins on the SK, but the Snap-On clone had the same problem. Easy to fix, but disappointing. The SK reversing switch screw was prone to loosen since torquing the screw bound the direction switching function. It eventually dawned on me that a dab of removable loc-tite resolved that issue. You really get into the weeds with the issues with the new 100 Snap-On ratchet version. I value premium tools and I am guilty of micro analyzing small tool performance issues as well. The small issues can make or break my preference decisions. Snap-On is a great company, and they consistently out perform the competition, but they are not always a winner. I prefer Proto pullers over Snap-On. Their precision tools were long rebranded mid tier tools with Snap-On price premium. Their pliers are arguably rugged, but are often very clunky, stiff jointed and cutters require more hand squeeze force than less expensive brands. I stick with Klein and Knipex for daily use pliers. Proto line up pins are my favorite brand due to the slim and long slow taper. I love my dozen or so versions of Snap-On dead blow hammers and mallets, but the ball pien design is an ugly shape and often a traditional style head is more ergonomic. Snap-On punches and chisels are wonderful, but if Starrett makes an equivalent tool, I will use the Starrett every time. I own several brands of premium wrenches, but Snap-On wrench design beats all competition in every dynamic in my preference. I don't even know how many Snap-On wrench sets that I own, various vintages, features and styles. The vintage wrenches with the slim taper rounded body feels the very best in my hand. Some of the newer logo wrench body corners hurt my hand on hard pulls, but these era tools give features like open end flank drive, and the chrome is shinier. Snap-On screwdrivers are hard to beat. Even makers like Craftsman occasionally made superb scores. I purchased a new late 1970's fiberglass handled ball pein Craftsman hammer. It remains a favorite now going on 5 decades. I own one Matco ratchet that is a preferred winner even though it is the only non Snap-On tool in a kit including about 10 ratchets. I am very loyal to the premium tool brand for each specific trade, but I am not a brand purist. Sometimes I yield to the second runner premium brand simply due to premium brand costs. Thank you for the 100 tooth detail review.
I don't have a horse in this race because I don't buy Snap-on but looking at that thing it's hard to believe they released it. I'm looking forward to seeing the inside of that. Thanks Doc
Inside of it is wild, the back drag issue is just too much grease though. The ball detent for the forward/reverse lever is glued to the spring, and god help any stupid fucking asshole like me that decides he doesn't want glue on it.
very strange of snap on to have this problem. how did it get released to the public? they should of known it was a flop before it got released. the executives and bean counters need to be fired. they were always known as having one of the best ratchets. very uncharacteristic of them 😳
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When you pay the prices that Snap-on wants, you expect to not be their lab rat. I don't think it's that, even companies without the truck pricing manage to do testing and will send out samples to folks in their target trade and get useful real-world feedback from them before beginning a rollout for general sale. They were charging full price for these babies from the start. It wasn't low profile at all. They're all over the trucks, and CEO Pinchuk was yapping on and on about how hot it is in investor conference calls.
looks like an american corporate way of doing things: outsource everything, including the quality checks... 😏 reminds me of another 'tardish one from over there, Sram. 🤤
Got one when it first came out and returned it. Didn't last 3 fasteners before it was messing up. Back drag was horrible. I used Pittsburgh with smoother action and that's very sad.
I have two of these new ratchets. Even after almost 5 months of use daily it hasn’t really gotten any smoother. Neither one of them have the free spinning problem. I really want to like them but I find myself going back to my Koken ratchets more and more unless I’m really putting force on the ratchets. Then it’s either these,a duel 80, or matco. I won’t feel bad if I break one of them.
I have a feeling since snap on is a public traded company investors are pressuring to increase profits. And by doing that they rushed the RND for this ratchet and therefore for the poor performance. This has been repeated with other company they milk a company good name to the ground.
If one is complaining about head profile and counting millimeters, you need to just swap that 3/8 for a 1/4. Most of the tight space work I do is ALL 1/4. 90% of my ratchets are Snap On, but Dual 80. Love them. I also buy a lot of 1990’s-2014 vintage Snap On new on eBay. Best ratchets on the market besides Koken Japan (lower back drag).
Hey Doc. I have a few of these ratchets now. Stubby, long flex and extra long flex. Back drag is decently high on mine. Breaks in a little or if you add some more lube. The flex head is a real problem. My long one was super floppy within a month. Getting rebuilt today actually when my dealer comes as he had to order a kit. I have found with the back drag if you are actually using it on a fastener it isnt so terrible compared to other high tooth count ratchets above 80teeth. Frankly I like the logo. Its not the classic logo but I think its classy. My experience with the free spin is if you lift up in the long end of the selector switch it will free spin but other than that it doesnt do it at all for me. Best regards!
Its becoming one of my favorite ratchets. I over greased mine trying to reduce back drag, all the grease caused it to skip teeth and free wheel. I cleaned most of the grease out then I cut a coil off the spring. Now it has less back drag than a new off the truck dual 80 and has yet to skip teeth or free wheel. Oh, I also took the pos grip off that it came with and installed a plastic hard handle.
My thoughts on this ratchet are if it’s not broke don’t fix it and the dual 80’s weren’t broken. I know everyone always thinks more is better including me but I love the dual 80 ratchets and I even use my tml70 1/4 drive probably more than my tl72. I guess time will tell and I may eventually end up with one of the 100 tooth ratchets but I’m in no big hurry.
The 1/2" dual 80 moved the screws from the drive side to the switch side maybe 5 years ago. Maybe a structural improvement that wasn't a huge priority on the smaller drive sizes?
The first batch my dealer had were terrible. Rough mechanism and floppy head. Passed on it. Second batch greased properly with an upgraded washer in the flex joint excellent. No issues with the one I bought.
I bought a stubby handle upgraded version and the resistance is still kind high, bought it to make my life easier in tight places, but that back drags got me taking skin off my knuckles ripping on the thing so it has some inertia, but the weight is nice when the hand comes back down and helps the bolt out, so I suppose it’s how you use it 😂
Mine had very high back drag brand new, was over greased from the factory. Cleaned it up a bit, and it's gorgeous as far as that is concerned. I will say, the flex head was floppy brand new, and it was already over tight, it's something I have to live with, I guess.
5:51 That reminds me of how the gas tube on an AR15 was designed with a dog leg in it that provided a failure point in a cheaper component to save a costly barrel. That's the kind of thing that I'm guilty of overlooking when trying to decide if Snap On is worth the cost over an Icon or whatnot. As we would say at the shop, "I think you're a very intelligent person. It's just the face doesn't help."
Honestly, I’ve felt the back drag and thought the same thing. But on a drain plug, I was ratcheting off, the dual 80 and the dual 100 both stopped around the same point. Even though it feels measurable, when you’re ratcheting it it’s not a huge difference between the two. And it’s much harder to measure that way compared to this traditional way with a scale.
My snap on dealer said this was supposed to happen. I like it thus far. With that being said, he’s never given an issue for warranty or applying credit
I was talked into the 100 tooth ratchet. I bought the short soft grip 3/8". I love the way it feels in my hand. I'm not sure how I feel about the ratcheting mechanism. I guess I have to live with it now. Backdrag is not a huge issue for me usually. I can always put a finger on the socket to make the ratchet work. IDK if time will make it better..
If you go to the website as of now 9/8/24. The snap on logo on the head looks like it’s been updated to a newer more modern design VS the old school design that was originally put on there
Snap on is kind of shooting and missing so to speak. They have more competition than ever, and they’re innovation seems to be lagging behind. I 100% agree with you on the fasteners. The problem with the fasteners screwing into the body of the ratchet itself is that ultimately those holes can strip out where if the screws came in from the back of the ratchet and screw into the cover plate then you have new threads every time you replace the cover plate. I prefer the older style lock lol Man, I thought I was the only one that saw that relief cut on the 3/8 anvil. I’ve never heard anybody make mention of it besides me and until you.
I've had my 100t ratchet since the beginning of the year Honestly no complaints it's not my daily ratchet but for what I use it for it's been amazing no issues
I wonder if there's a break in required to smooth it out. I use a dual 80 snap on made in 2007 and it has gotten much smoother over the years. I take the grease out of it roughly every 5 years, clean it out completely dry then add a different grease. Kluber isoflex 152 is what I use the most, but the smoothest grease I have for the ratchet mechanism is a double zero NLGI grade lithium made in Japan by Kyodo yushi.
I bought one. Used it a bunch of times and noticed nothing wrong. I have huge muscle hands so I would likely not notice the back drag difference. Maybe if I use it more I will find a fault.
I refuse to pay Snap-On prices. So I got the Icon 3/8 with the comfy handle. $65. Not broken yet, but if it does it has a lifetime warranty (but only with proof of purchase so save your receipts).
My Proto pear heads don't have much for swing arc, but damn if they don't have some of the smoothest backdrag you can find. There comes a point where trying to add more teeth is going to go backwards, and maybe this is the example./
My Snap On 3/8”dr cynergy ratchet doesn’t have a hard back drag like yours does. Mine was one of the very first ones released. Mine does freewheel if I press hard on the selector switch. So I’m thinking they increased spring pressure to fix the free wheeling issue but that increased back drag exponentially.
Wow. I really like this content. I just picked up the Milwaukee 13" pliers. They're pretty nice. I wanted something tougher than the 11" knipex. So i think that's a win, i wish the grips were closer together, that was on the last video i saw. 🎉
Twice the back-drag of the F-80 is a huge deal breaker! I'll stick with my "silky smooth" F-80 until Snap On gets their act together. How did you get this one?
I got one medium length chrome handle 3/8 and I enjoy it it’s smooth and strong I’ve used it on some stuff I thought might break it the back drag and the free spinning with the selector pushed in are major issues but I got a good deal bc I was the first to point it out to my dealer hopefully they get the issues worked out and I can get a long 1/2 in the 100 like I’ve been wanting
I don't like how it looks. It looks like a GearWrench. So almost all of my rathcets are Snap-On. I have 1 Matco 15" 3/8 Locking Flex. It is my absolute favorite ratchet. That being said, I had issues with the switch flopping when I first got it. After 2 warranties now its been perfect without issue for about 2 years.
got a new 80 tooth ratchet the other day, had the same thing with backdrag, asked my snapon guy why, he took it apart and took out a little o ring, apparently there was two of them, felt great after that. i dont like that much backdrag
I like your back drag measuring device. I've read about the back drag and free wheeling complaints with the new 100 tooth ratchet. Sometimes ratchet mechanisms need a break in period to free up. Perhaps with all the moving parts in the new mechanism they need to work themselves in. Any ratchet with the thumb reversing lever will tend to freewheel when placing downforce on the head. I'm sure Snap-on will address the issues.
I was thinking the same thing. I personally have had brand new ratchets that felt pretty notchy at first. It wasnt until using it for a couple months that it started feeling really smooth.
I am a Snap-On fan but I have not purchased one of those ratchets yet. The looks just don't do it for me. I might purchase one of the new handles to put on my other ratchets.
I love the 80 tooth ratchet from snap on and I love fine tooth ratchets so I logically thought it would be better so I told my dad who has a snap on dealer to get one for me. When I got it I IMMEDIATELY was dissatisfied because of how rough the ratcheting mechanism feels compared to the lesser tooth count brother of them. I’ll stick with the 80 tooth
Funny thing about backdrag my cheapest ratchets have the least amount of backdrag...and I dont think snap on ever cared much about back drag...an average amount has always been fine with them..
Hearing nothing but bad reviews over here in the uk. And to me...that comfort grip handle looks cheap. Needs to go back to the drawing board. Its very disappointing for such a industry leading company. My guess is they released a limited batch to see what feedback they would get
It would be nice to see them actually update things. Also, why the F can’t they actually bother to chamfer the perimeter of the head??? That sharp edge thing is dumb. Like they charge enough that their ratchets should be the absolute nicest available both inside and out.
Alot of people complaining about the directional lever disengaging if messed with while using the ratchet. ALL my dual 80s do the same thing. But why are you fingering the toggle switch to begin with. I need to pick one up to see what the fuss is
I got the 100thoith ratchet I didn't get a flex head I like the bigger comfort grip handle they also chrome hard handle so far I've had no problems with it so far I paid $183 with tax for it
i got one the day our truck got them and havent seen a single one since. i love mine but out of 10 on the truck the one i got was the only one worth a shit. the rest all were very floppy or way too tight which can be fixed, but the ratcheting mechanism was stupidly tight and horrible to use. the one good one found and have on the truck is my absolute favorite ratchet wrench ive owned
I have the non flex f100, and thankfully the backdrag has gotten much better with use, but I haven’t seen any benefit from the 100 teeth vs the dual 80, and I enjoy the feel of the 80 way more. I have the newer locking flexhead with the dual 80, and the ribs on the handle have already worn down so much that there is a great deal of play/wobble, whereas my 3yr old Matco is still like new. Also the locking switch will move with the slightest touch (such as lightly hitting something while lowering it into the engine bay). I appreciate their willingness to experiment, but I think they rushed these to market.
I personally hate the new grips more then anything I almost bought a long 3/8ths and realized one it’s shorter by an inch to the original and the handle I couldn’t get over it bought a long 3/8th locking head instead og handle more leverage and my favorite tool now lol.
My guess is the higher tooth count might have forced them to go with higher spring load for good engagement with the paws with smaller teeth, idk. But my Snap-on tools from the 00's and 90's are still going and with the least amount of backdrag of all my tools with little slop. Guess people get in the engineering side over at Snap-on with half baked ideas, only way that could happen is someone in management probably thought it would be a great idea to fire the high paid guys that have been around a long time Side note; i've found cheaper ~100 tooth ratchets have more backdrag than ~70 tooth because of slop. Completely negating the idea of having more teeth
Doc not a fan of new ratchet I broke it already over a dozen times and stopped using mine too???I heard they took them off the market and going back to drawing board with them to....absolutely hate it too..stick with my daul 80s too??
Long story short. Remember that video I did about playing a game of would/should Snap On warranty this tool? ua-cam.com/video/cHRurm22WvA/v-deo.html Well the chroming flexhead ratchet was warranted. Then I asked about a different ratchet instead. Then I noticed this new 100 tooth ratchet and asked if I could pay the difference. My SO dealer smiled and said he'd exchange it straight across "just to get it out of my inventory." I will tell this story in a later video, but since you asked, now you know.
Good video. I own the FLF100, have the freewheel issue, and back-drag is bad. I had the dealer install the kit to address the problem part #RKRF100, it did nothing. The only thing different in the kit is the spring is shorter. Snap On claims the back-drag is in line with the Dual 80, no way! He also questioned why someone would put pressure on the direction lever, that's funny. Lets just say the ratchet is not up to Snap On standards. FTR I have 40 years in the business. I also tried the revised version a friend has and they freewheeled too applying pressure in the right place.
Mine was bad at first but when it breaks in its very smooth.. but for that kind of money before buying another one it better be good to go when i walk of the truck
Have they released this as a lower cost version? That would explain the different logo and the hampered performance Seems like an odd choice, but we have witnessed Snap-Off trash the Bahco socket line in the last few years so it wouldn't be all that surprising
Any one of the issues you raised might not be a deal breaker but when you add them all up and include the cost of the tool itself, you have a problem. Further, no premium tool should have backdrag that stiff. but I guess they designed it that way to make the pawl stronger considering you have a 100T design. I have the Gear wrench 90T and 120T wrenches and I prefer the 90T I honestly think you don't need more than 90 teeth for 99.9% of what you need.
What it means is, its not available on the web-site. Currently only on the trucks/franchisees. (and ebay!). They want to support the franchisees on its launch.
I did not have the same experience, I had a 120 tooth gear wrench that had a lot of backdrag. Company got me the snap on 3/8 anvil on 1/4 body ratchet and fell in love with the minimal backdrag, fiending for more i was on the truck and guy showed me their 100 tooth, slightly lower profile than my gear wrench. An 80 tooth 3/8 snap-on I had still had a lot of back drag compared to the snap on 100 tooth., didnt use it as much since it was non flexing. Bought the 100 tooth and I found myself rotating the anvil more than I would like to admit due to how smooth it was. grease was welling up around the anvil so it does sound like yours was packed with a lot of grease and just needed some more use. Mine did have the quirk of spinning freely but couldnt quite figure out what caused it until you said it was pressing on it. I couldnt consistently replicate, and figured if it was a problem I could just warranty it.
Don't rip yourself off go to the Post Office put it in a dollar envelope and send it back to Snap-on. Tell them you're totally unsatisfied I need a dual 80 equivalent
Never had a single problem with my tekton ratchets.. have had 2 of my snap-on ratchets warranty-ed. I dont think ill be purchasing any more snap-on in my lifetime!
Two different logo type font on one ratchet, Ugly handle, ugly old timey logo, ugly head design, too much back drag, etc... Do they know they have so much competition now with the likes of Koken Grearwrench, Tone, Hazet, etc...They're less expensive too. They need to fire the whole team and CEO for letting this abomination out of the building. Maybe this way their tool prices can come down as well.
I love snap on but this new ratchet is junk compared to the dual 80 i hate the screws on the face side completely subjective the backdrag is horrible it just isnt for me
My guy has them for sale. I'm not one of these assholes pissing away money on every ratchet from every tool truck, so I won't buy it. They say the average mechanic owns 18 ratchets. I have 10 but only use 5. I could get rid of 6 or 7 and be ok. I don't like the handle on these which is the biggest reason I won't buy it
Thanks Doc for a very comprehensive take on this. I haven't had one in hand to truly judge myself, but the only two things I like about it 'appearance' wise is the low profile head and the selector switch seems like a metal upgrade. That being said, I'll stick with my Dual-80's. I like and trust them and they are time-tested.
My snap-on guy just got one in. I had been wanting to see one. He handed it to me the first thing I checked was back drag. I held that ratchet for less than 5 seconds and said, yup I hate it, and handed it back. The Dual 80 is a great product, don't mess with it.
thats what every ratchet but the ONE i found on the truck had a major issue with, just felt like absolute trash.
Yeah. It’s weird when you see one of a companies supposedly best products and decide the other design is better. Like Gearwrench’s 120 vs 90 tooth. The 90 tooth is just a better ratchet. Less back drag, stronger, etc.
You realize you dont actually know backdrag till you put a socket on it and yse it? Craftsman v series on shelf feels like it has a lot of backdrag but when i actually use the ratchet the backdrag is hardly present
I have a 100 tooth husky that felt infinitely better. Il stick to the duel 80's like you or the gear wrench 90. Seems there is such a thing as to many teeth.
I went mostly all Koken for ratchets, sockets extensions etc a good while back; life's been 'ponies/rainbows' ever since. Life's too short for piddling with Snap-On's quirks, idiosyncrasies drama & astronomical pricing... not to mention I haven't even seen one of their trucks around town in a decade.
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Yep same. Koken is currently the quality king as far as I’m concerned
I own both koken and snap on. I got over 5k in koken. Good luck warrantying koken compared to snap on… snap on takes 1-2 days. Let me know how long koken takes. Lol
Serious question for ya rwbishop as I’m with ya on the koken 💯 I love koken tools I have all the fixed head z series however firstly I wish they made a long handle flex head half inch drive or even just long handle 1/2” z series and secondly with their flex heads if you only use their ratchets you may have experience with their flex heads and are likely aware you cannot tighten the flex head so my question is have you ever seen them getting floppy? That’s my main concern with them is with extended use they will get floppy and with not being able to tighten the flex joint thatd really suck not only that the warranty drama and gray market bs kinda sucks so just gotta make sure your koken dealer is authorized or koken USA won’t honor kokens warranty ie amazon etc
My son has been buying the new style. I am adequately stocked up on ratchets, so I am not tempted to add the new version. I am a huge fan of the 80 tooth style. I went to other brands than Snap-On to get smooth fine tooth function until Snap-On introduced the 80 tooth pear head style. I tried a few of the Snap-On round head fine tooth ratchets. They are okay, but they feel quirky to me. I am old enough to recall when SK introduced the 70 tooth ratchet. I purchased 3 versions. SK did a tremendous job with that tool. Extremely thin necked handle, small head, but I didn't particularly like the knurled handle. I used those ratchets exclusively over the old style Snap-On pear head ratchets due to the slim features and short handle swing. I broke the reversing switch actuating pins on the SK, but the Snap-On clone had the same problem. Easy to fix, but disappointing. The SK reversing switch screw was prone to loosen since torquing the screw bound the direction switching function. It eventually dawned on me that a dab of removable loc-tite resolved that issue.
You really get into the weeds with the issues with the new 100 Snap-On ratchet version. I value premium tools and I am guilty of micro analyzing small tool performance issues as well. The small issues can make or break my preference decisions. Snap-On is a great company, and they consistently out perform the competition, but they are not always a winner. I prefer Proto pullers over Snap-On. Their precision tools were long rebranded mid tier tools with Snap-On price premium. Their pliers are arguably rugged, but are often very clunky, stiff jointed and cutters require more hand squeeze force than less expensive brands. I stick with Klein and Knipex for daily use pliers. Proto line up pins are my favorite brand due to the slim and long slow taper. I love my dozen or so versions of Snap-On dead blow hammers and mallets, but the ball pien design is an ugly shape and often a traditional style head is more ergonomic. Snap-On punches and chisels are wonderful, but if Starrett makes an equivalent tool, I will use the Starrett every time. I own several brands of premium wrenches, but Snap-On wrench design beats all competition in every dynamic in my preference. I don't even know how many Snap-On wrench sets that I own, various vintages, features and styles. The vintage wrenches with the slim taper rounded body feels the very best in my hand. Some of the newer logo wrench body corners hurt my hand on hard pulls, but these era tools give features like open end flank drive, and the chrome is shinier. Snap-On screwdrivers are hard to beat. Even makers like Craftsman occasionally made superb scores. I purchased a new late 1970's fiberglass handled ball pein Craftsman hammer. It remains a favorite now going on 5 decades. I own one Matco ratchet that is a preferred winner even though it is the only non Snap-On tool in a kit including about 10 ratchets. I am very loyal to the premium tool brand for each specific trade, but I am not a brand purist. Sometimes I yield to the second runner premium brand simply due to premium brand costs.
Thank you for the 100 tooth detail review.
I don't have a horse in this race because I don't buy Snap-on but looking at that thing it's hard to believe they released it. I'm looking forward to seeing the inside of that. Thanks Doc
Inside of it is wild, the back drag issue is just too much grease though. The ball detent for the forward/reverse lever is glued to the spring, and god help any stupid fucking asshole like me that decides he doesn't want glue on it.
very strange of snap on to have this problem. how did it get released to the public? they should of known it was a flop before it got released. the executives and bean counters need to be fired. they were always known as having one of the best ratchets. very uncharacteristic of them 😳
It seems like their R and D is us.
nah, it's good, they got that clever Pittsburgh'd hard vibe goin' on with this one! 😏👍
Yeah, fire the executives and accountants of a massive publicly traded company over a a poorly engineered ratchet.
What a comment.
@@jack002tuber at some point it has to be. And you can't count half of us, they are intentional tool breaking apes.
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I wonder if Snap-on® has started with a limited, low profile run, in order to get useful feedback and identify quality problems?
When you pay the prices that Snap-on wants, you expect to not be their lab rat. I don't think it's that, even companies without the truck pricing manage to do testing and will send out samples to folks in their target trade and get useful real-world feedback from them before beginning a rollout for general sale. They were charging full price for these babies from the start.
It wasn't low profile at all. They're all over the trucks, and CEO Pinchuk was yapping on and on about how hot it is in investor conference calls.
looks like an american corporate way of doing things: outsource everything, including the quality checks... 😏
reminds me of another 'tardish one from over there, Sram. 🤤
I guess you guys are right. Disappointing from Snap-on®.
Don't forget that the threads which can get stripped are on the cover plate which can be replaced.
Excellent point!
That’s one reason I wanted one so much. I have 2 of these new ratchets with one being used a ton and it’s not really getting any smoother.
Got one when it first came out and returned it. Didn't last 3 fasteners before it was messing up. Back drag was horrible. I used Pittsburgh with smoother action and that's very sad.
I really do enjoy what you do it’s really nice to find another human that’s so enthusiastic about tool like myself
I have two of these new ratchets. Even after almost 5 months of use daily it hasn’t really gotten any smoother. Neither one of them have the free spinning problem. I really want to like them but I find myself going back to my Koken ratchets more and more unless I’m really putting force on the ratchets. Then it’s either these,a duel 80, or matco. I won’t feel bad if I break one of them.
I have a feeling since snap on is a public traded company investors are pressuring to increase profits. And by doing that they rushed the RND for this ratchet and therefore for the poor performance. This has been repeated with other company they milk a company good name to the ground.
If one is complaining about head profile and counting millimeters, you need to just swap that 3/8 for a 1/4. Most of the tight space work I do is ALL 1/4. 90% of my ratchets are Snap On, but Dual 80. Love them. I also buy a lot of 1990’s-2014 vintage Snap On new on eBay. Best ratchets on the market besides Koken Japan (lower back drag).
Hey Doc. I have a few of these ratchets now. Stubby, long flex and extra long flex. Back drag is decently high on mine. Breaks in a little or if you add some more lube. The flex head is a real problem. My long one was super floppy within a month. Getting rebuilt today actually when my dealer comes as he had to order a kit. I have found with the back drag if you are actually using it on a fastener it isnt so terrible compared to other high tooth count ratchets above 80teeth. Frankly I like the logo. Its not the classic logo but I think its classy. My experience with the free spin is if you lift up in the long end of the selector switch it will free spin but other than that it doesnt do it at all for me. Best regards!
Its becoming one of my favorite ratchets. I over greased mine trying to reduce back drag, all the grease caused it to skip teeth and free wheel. I cleaned most of the grease out then I cut a coil off the spring. Now it has less back drag than a new off the truck dual 80 and has yet to skip teeth or free wheel. Oh, I also took the pos grip off that it came with and installed a plastic hard handle.
My thoughts on this ratchet are if it’s not broke don’t fix it and the dual 80’s weren’t broken. I know everyone always thinks more is better including me but I love the dual 80 ratchets and I even use my tml70 1/4 drive probably more than my tl72. I guess time will tell and I may eventually end up with one of the 100 tooth ratchets but I’m in no big hurry.
Very informative as always thanks again Doc , going to steer clear of 100 for now.
I love the old logo, but it looks odd with the new logo on the handle.
That logo is actually older. They're just putting it on the first run of these. After that, they'll have the newer logo.
The 1/2" dual 80 moved the screws from the drive side to the switch side maybe 5 years ago. Maybe a structural improvement that wasn't a huge priority on the smaller drive sizes?
The first batch my dealer had were terrible. Rough mechanism and floppy head. Passed on it. Second batch greased properly with an upgraded washer in the flex joint excellent. No issues with the one I bought.
Grease is the big secret for the 100teeth ,I used air tool grease because it ain't very sticky
Aus, your right , they just need some tweaking ; the repair kits have a new spring with the ball attached to the spring end for easier servicing.
I bought a stubby handle upgraded version and the resistance is still kind high, bought it to make my life easier in tight places, but that back drags got me taking skin off my knuckles ripping on the thing so it has some inertia, but the weight is nice when the hand comes back down and helps the bolt out, so I suppose it’s how you use it 😂
@@jameslarson7006bingo, my 100 tooth arrived skipping and barely acting right, cleaned it out added super lube and works like budder!
Mine had very high back drag brand new, was over greased from the factory. Cleaned it up a bit, and it's gorgeous as far as that is concerned. I will say, the flex head was floppy brand new, and it was already over tight, it's something I have to live with, I guess.
5:51 That reminds me of how the gas tube on an AR15 was designed with a dog leg in it that provided a failure point in a cheaper component to save a costly barrel. That's the kind of thing that I'm guilty of overlooking when trying to decide if Snap On is worth the cost over an Icon or whatnot.
As we would say at the shop, "I think you're a very intelligent person. It's just the face doesn't help."
I'd like to see you get your hands on a Stahlwille finetooth ratchet one day, like a 452QR, see how it stacks up against some of the finer snap ons.
Honestly, I’ve felt the back drag and thought the same thing. But on a drain plug, I was ratcheting off, the dual 80 and the dual 100 both stopped around the same point. Even though it feels measurable, when you’re ratcheting it it’s not a huge difference between the two. And it’s much harder to measure that way compared to this traditional way with a scale.
My snap on dealer said this was supposed to happen. I like it thus far. With that being said, he’s never given an issue for warranty or applying credit
I was talked into the 100 tooth ratchet. I bought the short soft grip 3/8". I love the way it feels in my hand. I'm not sure how I feel about the ratcheting mechanism. I guess I have to live with it now. Backdrag is not a huge issue for me usually. I can always put a finger on the socket to make the ratchet work. IDK if time will make it better..
If you go to the website as of now 9/8/24. The snap on logo on the head looks like it’s been updated to a newer more modern design VS the old school design that was originally put on there
Snap on is kind of shooting and missing so to speak. They have more competition than ever, and they’re innovation seems to be lagging behind.
I 100% agree with you on the fasteners. The problem with the fasteners screwing into the body of the ratchet itself is that ultimately those holes can strip out where if the screws came in from the back of the ratchet and screw into the cover plate then you have new threads every time you replace the cover plate.
I prefer the older style lock lol
Man, I thought I was the only one that saw that relief cut on the 3/8 anvil. I’ve never heard anybody make mention of it besides me and until you.
I've had my 100t ratchet since the beginning of the year
Honestly no complaints it's not my daily ratchet but for what I use it for it's been amazing no issues
I wonder if there's a break in required to smooth it out. I use a dual 80 snap on made in 2007 and it has gotten much smoother over the years. I take the grease out of it roughly every 5 years, clean it out completely dry then add a different grease. Kluber isoflex 152 is what I use the most, but the smoothest grease I have for the ratchet mechanism is a double zero NLGI grade lithium made in Japan by Kyodo yushi.
I bought one. Used it a bunch of times and noticed nothing wrong. I have huge muscle hands so I would likely not notice the back drag difference. Maybe if I use it more I will find a fault.
I refuse to pay Snap-On prices. So I got the Icon 3/8 with the comfy handle. $65. Not broken yet, but if it does it has a lifetime warranty (but only with proof of purchase so save your receipts).
I got the icon with the fixed head for $25 due to an exchange issue with a Quinn 90T ratchet. For the price I am 100% happy with it.
Junk
You have obviously never owned a snapon ratchet. Icon ratchet’s really don’t compare
My Proto pear heads don't have much for swing arc, but damn if they don't have some of the smoothest backdrag you can find. There comes a point where trying to add more teeth is going to go backwards, and maybe this is the example./
My Snap On 3/8”dr cynergy ratchet doesn’t have a hard back drag like yours does. Mine was one of the very first ones released. Mine does freewheel if I press hard on the selector switch. So I’m thinking they increased spring pressure to fix the free wheeling issue but that increased back drag exponentially.
Wow. I really like this content. I just picked up the Milwaukee 13" pliers. They're pretty nice. I wanted something tougher than the 11" knipex. So i think that's a win, i wish the grips were closer together, that was on the last video i saw. 🎉
Twice the back-drag of the F-80 is a huge deal breaker! I'll stick with my "silky smooth" F-80 until Snap On gets their act together. How did you get this one?
The anvil on mine also spins freely when you push in on the reverse switch.
I got one medium length chrome handle 3/8 and I enjoy it it’s smooth and strong I’ve used it on some stuff I thought might break it the back drag and the free spinning with the selector pushed in are major issues but I got a good deal bc I was the first to point it out to my dealer hopefully they get the issues worked out and I can get a long 1/2 in the 100 like I’ve been wanting
I don't like how it looks. It looks like a GearWrench.
So almost all of my rathcets are Snap-On. I have 1 Matco 15" 3/8 Locking Flex. It is my absolute favorite ratchet. That being said, I had issues with the switch flopping when I first got it. After 2 warranties now its been perfect without issue for about 2 years.
got a new 80 tooth ratchet the other day, had the same thing with backdrag, asked my snapon guy why, he took it apart and took out a little o ring, apparently there was two of them, felt great after that. i dont like that much backdrag
I like your back drag measuring device. I've read about the back drag and free wheeling complaints with the new 100 tooth ratchet. Sometimes ratchet mechanisms need a break in period to free up. Perhaps with all the moving parts in the new mechanism they need to work themselves in. Any ratchet with the thumb reversing lever will tend to freewheel when placing downforce on the head. I'm sure Snap-on will address the issues.
I was thinking the same thing. I personally have had brand new ratchets that felt pretty notchy at first. It wasnt until using it for a couple months that it started feeling really smooth.
I’m a heavy equipment mechanic and am waiting for a lockable flex head model to come out.
I am a Snap-On fan but I have not purchased one of those ratchets yet. The looks just don't do it for me. I might purchase one of the new handles to put on my other ratchets.
I love the 80 tooth ratchet from snap on and I love fine tooth ratchets so I logically thought it would be better so I told my dad who has a snap on dealer to get one for me. When I got it I IMMEDIATELY was dissatisfied because of how rough the ratcheting mechanism feels compared to the lesser tooth count brother of them. I’ll stick with the 80 tooth
Funny thing about backdrag my cheapest ratchets have the least amount of backdrag...and I dont think snap on ever cared much about back drag...an average amount has always been fine with them..
Hearing nothing but bad reviews over here in the uk. And to me...that comfort grip handle looks cheap. Needs to go back to the drawing board. Its very disappointing for such a industry leading company.
My guess is they released a limited batch to see what feedback they would get
i dont know how that back drag got past quality control at snap on. someone needs to be fired 😳🧐🤔🤓
It would be nice to see them actually update things. Also, why the F can’t they actually bother to chamfer the perimeter of the head??? That sharp edge thing is dumb. Like they charge enough that their ratchets should be the absolute nicest available both inside and out.
I guess I’m the odd one out… I have 3 of the Cynergy ratchets and all 3 are great. Extremely low back drag and smoother than my broken in Dual 80s.
There is a new dual-pawl design now and a kit available to refit the early version that do have issues.
Alot of people complaining about the directional lever disengaging if messed with while using the ratchet. ALL my dual 80s do the same thing. But why are you fingering the toggle switch to begin with. I need to pick one up to see what the fuss is
I just got the locking 3/8 ratchet with the gunmetal soft grip and it is niiiiiiiiiiiiiice
I got the 100thoith ratchet I didn't get a flex head I like the bigger comfort grip handle they also chrome hard handle so far I've had no problems with it so far I paid $183 with tax for it
i got one the day our truck got them and havent seen a single one since. i love mine but out of 10 on the truck the one i got was the only one worth a shit. the rest all were very floppy or way too tight which can be fixed, but the ratcheting mechanism was stupidly tight and horrible to use. the one good one found and have on the truck is my absolute favorite ratchet wrench ive owned
i am very very glad i tried every single one they had on that truck since every single other one was just horrible
The yolk of the ratchet is also thinner and has a small pin past the size of the duel 80 twice as thick there was really no space saved
I have the non flex f100, and thankfully the backdrag has gotten much better with use, but I haven’t seen any benefit from the 100 teeth vs the dual 80, and I enjoy the feel of the 80 way more.
I have the newer locking flexhead with the dual 80, and the ribs on the handle have already worn down so much that there is a great deal of play/wobble, whereas my 3yr old Matco is still like new. Also the locking switch will move with the slightest touch (such as lightly hitting something while lowering it into the engine bay).
I appreciate their willingness to experiment, but I think they rushed these to market.
The complaint of the lever being pushed in allowing the ratchet to free spin happened on the previous gen of ratchets too, so get over it
I’ve seen them on the truck for months in the Chicago area. But I have enough ratchets lol I haven’t asked for one
I personally hate the new grips more then anything I almost bought a long 3/8ths and realized one it’s shorter by an inch to the original and the handle I couldn’t get over it bought a long 3/8th locking head instead og handle more leverage and my favorite tool now lol.
Is it just me or I don't remember years ago. Until recently the term back drag on rachet. Now that all the rage.
Every professional is getting a giggle out of this! Put a couple hours on it and let me know how it feels 😁
My guess is the higher tooth count might have forced them to go with higher spring load for good engagement with the paws with smaller teeth, idk. But my Snap-on tools from the 00's and 90's are still going and with the least amount of backdrag of all my tools with little slop. Guess people get in the engineering side over at Snap-on with half baked ideas, only way that could happen is someone in management probably thought it would be a great idea to fire the high paid guys that have been around a long time
Side note; i've found cheaper ~100 tooth ratchets have more backdrag than ~70 tooth because of slop. Completely negating the idea of having more teeth
i was very excited about it at first but i heard too many complaints about it 🧐🧐🧐
I've broken far more Snap On tools than any other brand and am still trying to see the value in this brand?
I can't wait to see the inside of this thing doc
Doc not a fan of new ratchet I broke it already over a dozen times and stopped using mine too???I heard they took them off the market and going back to drawing board with them to....absolutely hate it too..stick with my daul 80s too??
You don’t know how to use tools if your breaking
My ?? is you don’t know the price? Unless I missed you saying during the video, how did you get the ratchet, was it loaned to you for the video?
Long story short. Remember that video I did about playing a game of would/should Snap On warranty this tool? ua-cam.com/video/cHRurm22WvA/v-deo.html Well the chroming flexhead ratchet was warranted. Then I asked about a different ratchet instead. Then I noticed this new 100 tooth ratchet and asked if I could pay the difference. My SO dealer smiled and said he'd exchange it straight across "just to get it out of my inventory." I will tell this story in a later video, but since you asked, now you know.
@@lastbesttool thanks I actually went back and checked and I did watch that video. Thanks 👍🏻
Good video. I own the FLF100, have the freewheel issue, and back-drag is bad. I had the dealer install the kit to address the problem part #RKRF100, it did nothing. The only thing different in the kit is the spring is shorter. Snap On claims the back-drag is in line with the Dual 80, no way! He also questioned why someone would put pressure on the direction lever, that's funny. Lets just say the ratchet is not up to Snap On standards. FTR I have 40 years in the business. I also tried the revised version a friend has and they freewheeled too applying pressure in the right place.
Mine was bad at first but when it breaks in its very smooth.. but for that kind of money before buying another one it better be good to go when i walk of the truck
Have they released this as a lower cost version? That would explain the different logo and the hampered performance
Seems like an odd choice, but we have witnessed Snap-Off trash the Bahco socket line in the last few years so it wouldn't be all that surprising
I’d like to see liken ratchet on the backdrag bench test
The 100teeth love air tool grease
no matter if its the shortest run imo its the best design. very classy script with a pinky up lol
They didn’t need more teeth, they needed to copy the Koken backdrag and make a better locking system.
I'm wondering if one of their best designers retired and they saved some money by letting an intern take his place.
Any one of the issues you raised might not be a deal breaker but when you add them all up and include the cost of the tool itself, you have a problem. Further, no premium tool should have backdrag that stiff. but I guess they designed it that way to make the pawl stronger considering you have a 100T design.
I have the Gear wrench 90T and 120T wrenches and I prefer the 90T I honestly think you don't need more than 90 teeth for 99.9% of what you need.
Looks a lot like the new gear wrench flex head 120xp
As long as it took me to switch from my old 936's to newer dual 80's, I am sure they will figure out the 100's LOL
What it means is, its not available on the web-site. Currently only on the trucks/franchisees. (and ebay!). They want to support the franchisees on its launch.
On my truck $190.00 in Chicago south side area
I think Snap-on used a harbor freight plants that designed it
Amazing what gets past quality control
Are snap on ratchets that much superior to nepros ratchets from your experience?
SnapOn finally went for vengeance. They copied Harvor Phreight handle.
I did not have the same experience, I had a 120 tooth gear wrench that had a lot of backdrag. Company got me the snap on 3/8 anvil on 1/4 body ratchet and fell in love with the minimal backdrag, fiending for more i was on the truck and guy showed me their 100 tooth, slightly lower profile than my gear wrench. An 80 tooth 3/8 snap-on I had still had a lot of back drag compared to the snap on 100 tooth., didnt use it as much since it was non flexing. Bought the 100 tooth and I found myself rotating the anvil more than I would like to admit due to how smooth it was. grease was welling up around the anvil so it does sound like yours was packed with a lot of grease and just needed some more use.
Mine did have the quirk of spinning freely but couldnt quite figure out what caused it until you said it was pressing on it. I couldnt consistently replicate, and figured if it was a problem I could just warranty it.
Does anyone make a universal rubber handle that slips over ratchet handles?
These new Japanese tools are blowing Snap on out the water in terms of quality.
My box is 90% snap on and i love snap on. But this is an embarrassment. 😂
I have one and the swivel loosened up a lot and they won't warranty it
Find a new dealer then. For the price you pay for snap on they should warranty anything or make it right for you.
Don't rip yourself off go to the Post Office put it in a dollar envelope and send it back to Snap-on. Tell them you're totally unsatisfied I need a dual 80 equivalent
Thanks. Good review.
The more teeth the better…right? Well, after about 70 teeth it’s hard to tell the difference. The more teeth the more apt it is to strip.
I still get on fine with the 36 tooth models, but you're right...anything above 72 teeth seems fairly pointless to me 👍
Looks like theyre copying harbor freights pittsburgh pro series.
LOL.
The Gearwrench 120xp will beat the pants off it.
Just go Ko-ken
Fuck 100 tooth...dual 80 all the way
Never had a single problem with my tekton ratchets.. have had 2 of my snap-on ratchets warranty-ed. I dont think ill be purchasing any more snap-on in my lifetime!
Junk
There is no back drag
Two different logo type font on one ratchet, Ugly handle, ugly old timey logo, ugly head design, too much back drag, etc... Do they know they have so much competition now with the likes of Koken Grearwrench, Tone, Hazet, etc...They're less expensive too. They need to fire the whole team and CEO for letting this abomination out of the building. Maybe this way their tool prices can come down as well.
Handle looks an awful lot like harbor freight’s Pittsburgh 🤢
I love snap on but this new ratchet is junk compared to the dual 80 i hate the screws on the face side completely subjective the backdrag is horrible it just isnt for me
You don’t have enough ratchets
Project farm did their videos saying gear wrench was better but had more back drag. It’s like snap on made their version of those ratchets
My guy has them for sale. I'm not one of these assholes pissing away money on every ratchet from every tool truck, so I won't buy it.
They say the average mechanic owns 18 ratchets. I have 10 but only use 5. I could get rid of 6 or 7 and be ok.
I don't like the handle on these which is the biggest reason I won't buy it