Former Israeli ambassador: 'A two-state solution is hopeless' | LBC
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- 'All we're doing is getting nowhere and causing harm to both sides.'
Benjamin Netanyahu has said that his Israeli government opposes the creation of a Palestinian state.
Former Israeli ambassador to the US Dr MichaelOren insists to Iain Dale that a two-state solution is 'impossible'.
The Israeli prime minister said that his country must have security control over all land west of the river Jordan, including Gaza, to prevent an atrocity like October 7th taking place again.
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Why should the Palestinians need to give up their right to have armed forces while Israel is allowed to keep the IDF?
Hamas and PLO are their armed forces.
You think Hamas are armed forces ?? Wow 😂
@@blueboys26 There are discussions about Palestinians having a state without having an army. But yes, I also meant Hamas. Palestinians do not have a military force to protect themselves so they need to have an armed group until they get a proper military.
Anybody with a brain would look at the West Bank and see that Palestinians having no army for security is unfeasible. Settlers are taking land under the protection of the IDF and anybody can do anything about it.
@@victoria11128 they won’t need protection once Hamas is dismantled - and Israel are saying Gaza must be demilitarised until they have new Government formed - if you believe Hamas are anything but a terrorist organisation then you obviously have issues.
The Palestinians have never rejected a 2 state solution because the solution offered was never actually 2 states. It was just dressed up as one without any independant security for the Palestinians. They always blame the Palestinians just to appear generous and as victims.
it will be the same situation as the west bank
A two state solution has been offered 5 times since 1920 - every time it has been rejected by the Arab States even when Palestine and Israel agreed
Absolute gibberish as usual.
On top of that, it’s not just about two states. Who’s going to control Jerusalem? There are other sites. These people don’t just want it. They want it for racial and magical reasons, and those are two of the hardest things to argue with because it’s mental illness. You’re not going to argue with it. You can’t rationalize with it. it’s racism and magic.
@@kevoreilly6557it has never!!!. Show evidence of Isreal offering it
Why does Israel have any say on if Palestine can govern themselves ?
Might makes right.
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I think because Gaza and the West bank are still under the 1967 Mandate Palestine from the UN
Because they are seeking the destruction of Israel.
Exactly !!!
Because the last time the Palestinians had a democratic election, they voted for Hamas and if you don't know what's wrong with that, cast your mind back to 7th October.
Why do you interview criminals. All his accusations about Palestinians apply to Israeli settlers at least 5 times more strongly. If there is no two-state solution, would Israelis accept truly democratic Israel, one person one vote - not the current aparthied system ? Ms. El Jamal and the caller James make so much more sense. Indeed, Israel was imposed on Palestinians in the early 1900s. It's time to now impose Palestine on the colonial settlers. Of course, 70% of them will be against forming a Palestinian state - afterall its they who came from foreign lands, not Palestinians. Finally, unlike what the host so confidently says, It's not debatable that Netanyahu funded Hamas in the past.
There is so much projection, always from the far right lunatics.
Exactly
Israel doesn't want a 2 state solution because it means 1 million illegal settlers in the west bank will be homeless.
Then it means Palestine will demand reparations
Oren said Israel offered a 2 state solution with claims, meaning Palestine would never be able to seek justice for Israeli apartheid
you are right. it is ridiculous to even debatte if a two state could be a solution. it is the only way to peace. ha maß would be dissolve and even they changed their charta in 2017, that they would accept israel if there would be a palestine state in the bor ders of '67. why nobody speaks about this fact?
He’s been convicted of a crime? Wasn’t aware of that
"Impose Palestine on the colonial settlers."
You mean, massacre Israeli citizens. Lovely. Well, that's what happened on 7th October and you may notice they don't take too kindly to it.
And yes, some Palestinians do indeed come from foreign lands. Some are from Tunisia, Jordan or Armenia. Arafat himself was born in Egypt. They have no more (or less) of a right to live where Israel now stands than many Israeli citizens (around 50% of whom are descended from people who were expelled from, or immiserated in, Arab countries: you'll notice there's no "right of return" for them).
it amazes me how the british media aren’t talking about the IDF digging up dead bodies and desecrating 16 graveyards, that in itself speaks absolute volumes on how Israelis view Palestinians
They’re disinterring recent graves to try and identify the bodies and identify any of the hostages who might have already been executed by Hamas.
Western media are double standard
They hate them even as dead....discusting
That's because it's a lie.
@@GretsGarbo We can see it. The IDF are the most undisciplined army in the world. They put it all out on tiktok.
To the presenter: Hamas updated its charter to say they'll accept 2 states in the pre-67 borders as a solution of national consensus, so get your facts straight and do your job properly
Totally agree.
You've mistaken the presenter as a journalist. He is infact an Israeli propagandist.
It tomuch to expect a broadcaster to do due diligence.
While no one quotes the likud charter that says land from the river and the sea should be under Israeli control… or Netanyahu showing a map of future Middle East with Israel only months before oct 7th 🤔 and now this map is actually happening through violence…… Imagine if the president of the PLO or Khamaas stood on the stage in the UN with a map of a Palestinian state with no Israel on it.
And you believe Hamas?
We all know who the bullies are. If you need to ask, you're not paying attention.
Palestine.
@@fredmercury1314at least you admit it exists.
@fredmercury1314 You obviously don't understand the meaning of the word bullies.
@@Leigh-ry3yb Everyone understands the meaning of the word 'bullies'.
@@ClannCholmain Only in words.
As a Palestinian American I hope that one day people can recognize that they never had the right to split our land in half and take our homes. Any country could split their land and their capitol in half and give it to Israel, we Palestinians support this 100% but you never had the right to take our home and push us out. I hope one day all Palestinian refugees can be allowed to return and it's unfortunate that foreigners have more say in the future of Palestine than actual Palestinians.
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You're either an 'American' or something else, bud. Hyphenated Americans are a non sequiter.
Your land? Remind me where it is? When has there ever been a state called 'Palestine?
What you think of as Palestine, a term never used in any UN documents before 1964 was always an occupied territory from Roman times right through to 1918 when the Ottoman Empire ended. Then the British administered it as the British Mandate for Palestine and Trans Jordan.
Jews have had a continuous presence in the region since the beginning of human history and can easily claim the land as theirs. Indeed the 'West Bank's' previous name was 'Judea and Sumeria' literally meaning 'LAND OF THE JEWS.
Most of the people of Arab heritage in the region today are IMMIGRANTS from every Muslim nation in Africa and the Arabian Penninsula. Particularly Egypt. Half the population of Gaza are of Egyptian heritage, the same as you are of Arab heritage.
They came during the British Mandate as did many displaced European Jews returning to their homeland.
@@jacobcohen9205 Palestine is pronounced Faalesteen in Arabic, don't act like you don't know it because you even have it in your bible.
It is from the word "Peleset" that has been documented as a civilization in that region by Egypt over 3400 years ago.
Palestine is in the Gennuis World Records for having the oldest still inhabited city on Earth called Jericho which has been inhabited for over 11,000 years.
@@jacobcohen9205 hmm. Shakespeare used the word palestine in his works.
@jacobcohen9205 and israelis are immigrants from where please remind me again? Where is the pm from nd also the president him self or their parents??
The bully acting the victim🥴🥴
They should have never occupied that land - then they would be afraid for their life = Colonialism
Palestinians, who attacked in 1948 and on 7 Oct 2023
@@davidcooks2379 and Israel attacks them daily.
I struggle to understand how young Palestinians in Gaza, who didn't vote for Hamas and are suffering from loss, injury, and deprivation, are expected to harbor positive feelings towards Israel. This seems especially challenging considering the ongoing conflict's impact on their lives, including loss of family, education, and basic needs.
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@DavidCodyPeppers. It seems to me that the IDF have become Hamas's number one recruiting sergeant.
What's going to happen in 10-15 years time when the million or so traumatised children of Gaza become adults?
Will they want revenge? If so they'll make Hamas look like a children's birthday party.
One begins to wonder if this is and was the plan all along.
Let's face it, the Israelis want the Palestinian's to leave.
I have a Peace Proposal that suggests all 6 million Palestinians leave with full citizenship in America with 4 million dollars each paid for by the global community (including Israel).
They would have a much better life here with true freedom to develop their communities with real political power.
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Palestinians leave? Why?
Why is it not that those who occupied Palestine leave?@@DavidCodyPeppers.
Hamas expects them to harbour positive feelings towards Hamas, and if they display sentiments to the contrary they're in trouble.
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It is called reality.
Do you really think in 2024 the Jewish State of Israel will ever leave?
I want them to have a Sovereign State of Palestine but it ain't going to happen now, which has been Israel's plan all along.
So it seems as if the choice is to either have the Palestinians get carved off and forced to live in isolated communities scattered across the globe with ZERO political power,
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To consolidate their communities as free peoples in a democratic open society that values their skills, education, culture, and capital.
If the Palestinians want to rule over ashes then so be it, however victory can be achieved by letting go sometimes. Walking away voluntarily as victors is better than being pushed off your land labeled as defeated by Israel.
The Peppers' Peace Proposal is explained in full on my 🥖🥞 site.
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You spoke to a former Israeli embassador who spoke for the Israelis and the Palestinians. Is it so hard to get balance? Lots of other shows seem to be able to find Palestinians to speak to.
This comment suggests you are more interested in confirming your bias than you are in actual analysis. The Israeli ambassador was right on points.
Even Piers Morgan (think what you want of him) is always hosting pro Palestinian voices.
Exactly.....shows disrespect and bigotry.....and they wonder why they resort to violent resistance.....
We don't hear a Palestinian saying we don't want 2 st solution but the presenter and the isreals speak on behalf of them
@@MrAntoniyo12 yes and they haven't signed on a 2 state solution since Oslo because neten yahu wants everything
Netanyahu is right, there never will be a 2 state solution, the only solution is for the US to give the Israelis the state of Alaska & relocate the entire state of Israel there, problem solved & everyone lives happily ever after.
Well said.
I’m not sure those living in Alaska now will be any happier with that than the Palestinians were when the British allowed migration of Jews into Palestine after 1918 or the bigger one from 1946.
Only thing is that its believed to be their holy land. Natives of Alaska have long since been killed off.
The Jews aren’t yours or anyone else’s to move around as you see fit. Try it and see what happens to you.
@@swarming1092the Jews are supposed to be moved around to the 4 corners of the world. Isn't that biblical lore? The European Zionist Nazis are not Jews by the way. Don't confabulate Judaism with European Zionists
Nethanyahu took America, Britain and Other western country who supported him for a ride. Thank you very much for supporting me in my geno-cide in the name of fighting hamas but SURPRISE ...that was just a bluff. Imagine Biden and Rishi Sunak looking like a fool now...😂😂
Biden has ABSOLUTELY been foolish!
But Rishi is ridiculous.
He has no reason for existing except for his own privilege & sychophancy
and the 3 Hamas billioners living in Katar. Did they not take all Palistinians for a ride. Keep you eyes shut and repeating the same ignorent BS.
@@jerrycyncynatus1956 2 wrongs is never a right Jerry!
Its the classic, two corrupt powers take their populations thru a nightmare for their own political gain.
Couldn't agree more if you listen David Cameron vs foreign office select Committee you will approve your comment
Leave it to Lbc to bring on Mr oren, to say straight misinformation with no pushback!
Extremely disappointing, but it's Iain Dale. Is anyone surprised?
what was misinformed?
@@Dror872 UN resolutions 242 and 181. Accepted by the WHOLE WORLD and Palestinians but REJECTED by Isreal. Blaming the Palestinian while ACTIVELY sabotaging efforts like the Lady just said.
Key word: "BLAMING EVERYONE except Israel".
How about everyone obeys international law and stop telling lies.
Your next line, we know, is the "Isreal left Gaza" LIES.
As a person from Northern Ireland you guys need to promote the importance of self determination which Isreal it determined to stop!
And NI does not have its own army
What do you mean Israel is determined to stop self determination?
@@andrewdouglas1963 what do you mean what do I mean? It's not rocket science, just thousands of them reigning down on little innocent children..
@@kevoreilly6557 ..and what would you know?
There is no such thing. It's only applied in the context of decolonisation. Israel already decolonised the former British Mandate for Palestine
Why are this man’s comments about the rejection of the 2 state solution are not being f challenged? He is leaving the context and more importantly the details of the 2 state solution which was being offered which is NOT A STATE AT ALL WHEN IT COMES TO THE PALESTINIANS. Seriously I ask the presenter to please have two sides if he lacks the information to challenge these guests.
And then says there cannot be a palestinian state because he fears Hamas (who they propped up) and PA is not strong enough (when they actively deligitimised it).
This guy is being given an uninterupted platform to preach pro-apartheid politics. He isnt even trying to hide it.
@TThibon whatever, palestinians need to give up their dream of getting the whole of Israel. Until then there will be no peace
Unbelievable how many crimes can one state commit?
Ask England
you mean hamas or west bank terrorrists?
Ask Turkey
Unlimited if Americans give you the green light
What country you're from? Come on, let's open the history book and read about your country
The Palestinians were offered an “entity” that is “less than a state” with lots of limitations. If a two state solution is going to happen then the illegal settlements have to go. You can’t have a state with hundreds of small towns with fully armed settlers doing their own thing. The one state solution is misleading. If there is a one state then the Palestinians would need equal rights, and that means equal voting rights. That would change the whole complexion of Israeli politics. I think they want a one state where they have rights, and Palestinian have almost none. In other words, an apartheid state!
At this point every Israeli official just needs to grow a funny little mustache that hasn’t been popular since 1945.
"A two state solution will cause harm to both sides." Yeah, right, because there's none of that happening now. The one thing that should be safe to assume with all the historical evidence up to now is that this will continue FOREVER unless something really different is tried. It doesn't mean a two state solution will work--but we know that what they have been doing forever (just trying to hurt the other side "until they learn their lesson") has never worked before, is not working now, and that it is reasonable to conclude, will never work in the future.
Thank goodness for the level headed jasmine. Ian you have to learn how to stop agreeing with guests like the Israeli if you actually agree with jasmine.
This is doublespeak. Justice is a prerequisite for peace. The oppressor does not dictate how much freedom is afforded to the oppressed.
That’s exactly what they do
If no two state solution then there must be one state. Palestine
No there's been multiple wars and Palestinians have lost every war... Time to accept reality
Not realistic
With no Jews ? Right.
@@davidreidenberg9941 Were there not Jews there before Israel was declared?
And please note my comment was "if no two state then..." I would prefer a two state. But it would be totally unjust for Israel to take all the territory as a Jewish homeland. That was not the UN plan, because the UN plan recognised, correctly, that the Palestinians who lived there already, also deserved statehood. To be honest the whole state of Israel is an unfair imposition on them, the only justification for the state of Israel I find acceptable is the constant persecution of Jews over the centuries leading to a desire for a homeland that provides a safe retreat.... But the Palestinians weren't responsible for that persecution
Imagine living life in peace.
Not with the USA and UK interfering in other countries to benefit their own pockets
2 state resolution will never work. It has to be a 1 state resolution, but Isreal will never allow it because the majority will be the Palestinians 3 to 1.
No religion, too.
@@amalabdallah8481I don't understand how they will be able to live with those butchers.....I would'nt be able to !
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And who are the butchers?
Mr. Zomlot should help run a Palestinian state.
Mr Zomlot is associated with the Israeli's! Only 🇵🇰 🇵🇰 🇵🇰 🇵🇰 🇵🇰 🇵🇰 🇵🇰 🇵🇰 🇵🇰 🇵🇰 🇵🇰 will win militarily in the Middle East!
He's great but limited as part of the corrupt PA
That's why the Israeli guy at 11:00 mins is talking about propping up cantons under PA-like 'autonomy' 🙄
Again at 16:00 ish they propose PA again even though they admit it's got no credibility or effectiveness
@@zamyoutube what are cantons?
There was never a 2 state solution, it has been said repeatedly by Israeli even Rabin himself only offered a 1 & a les than a State solution..literally there words , its misleading misinformation to not include this statement as the reality.
There is a solution, simple and satifying for everyone but the Israelis keep refusing it: one state solution that is for the Palestinians and the jews. One state democratic and giving the same rights to everyone whatever his or her religion and the right to return of the Palestinians who were forced to leave in 1948 and afetr.
This is also what the foreign minister of Iran said in an interview. Iran has also declared they have never and will never recognise Israel.
Ok, my father had to flee Yemen for his life with the shirt on his back in the 1940’s like many other Jews from Arab states from that time and after, why are people like you not calling for my right of return to all these countries? And the right of my children?
We do! We call for the right of all people who have been displaced by force or coercition to return to their original countries. @@ruthies2447
@@ruthies2447 What your father went through was horrible and unjust. I hope you can one day return to Yemen. My question to you is: Do you find the expulsion of Palestinians horrible and unjust? I assume that having felt the trauma of expulsion through the experience of your father, you wouldn't want anyone else to suffer the same.
Thank goodness for people like the caller James and his reasonable logical honest thinking.
Who said the Palestinians don't want 2 state. Making up facts
Precisely, hamas does not represent the Palestinians in Gaza, so many ignore this
Most Palestinians I know want a 2 state solution @@milesm1234
@@milesm1234It's convenient for them to ignore that fact.
@@user-no8kc6tk1mwhat does it mean when Bibi says it?
@@milesm1234Hamas has actually agreed to two states based on 1967 borders. This whole conversation is straight gaslighting.
There’s no reason why Israel should have any say in it.
You cannot think about the security of only Israel, but you have to think about the security of both countries (Israel and Palestine). All things that are happening now shows that the two state solution is essential for the existence of Israel and the creation of an independent Palestinian state is important for the Palestinian people to live with freedom. Israel is now doing what it thinks without listening to the world. Israel must work with the UN and International Court of Justice and it does not respect UN and UN resolutions. If they do not listen to what the world says, then one day when the time comes when Israel needs international organisations to rescue it, they will have no one will come to rescue.
Correct.
lets be honest iisreal wants the land. nothing else.
Why not just put everything back to the way it was before 1948.
Correct the mistake that was done in 1948.
Seychelles condemns Israel and stands with Palestine
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Bold faced lies.
I am disgusted.
Turning this garbage off.
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Why does Israel have any say whatsoever?
Because it still is operating under the 1967 UN mandate
Host bought and paid for 🤔
Your guest Michael has a very narrow view of history which makes him part of the problem.
Crazy how these people are given platforms to spread their non sense.
Ok. Then, a single palestinian state.
This should be on the table logically by Israel would never allow. They are so self centred!
Sure, but it would have to be from military conquest. Fat chance of that!
This network or podcast or channel or whatever you call yourselves is terrible. Most of the presenters, anchors or moderators are ignorant of the issues and biased against Palestine. There is almost no Palestinian perspective to the discussions. When there is, once in a while, a person who brings a Palestinian perspective, they are hounded to blame the Palestinians or condemn Hamas.
They are not ignorant to what's going on they are well paid by the Zionists to ignore it.
There is no Kamas in the West Bank and what they are going through.
Yes but if you compare to other media programs BBC channel 4 CNN CBN etc they are no so bad
I'm older that the modern state of Israel. I'm 99% certain that I'll never see the conflict end in what's left of my lifetime. It's been a 90 year war because it started some years before 1948. But I'm still a 1% optimist.
The European 100 years war lasted about 116 years. Perhaps Israel is trying to beat that and get into the Guiness Book of Records under the "Longest 100 Years War" category.
If it's a case of wanting something you cannot get, then it's no time at all compared to Spain wanting Gibraltar. 311 years and counting...
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That's true, but there's no war.
Israel needs to wake up and realise that there are only 3 options. 1. A Palestinian and an Israeli state 2. Israel from the river to the sea with a Palestinian majority citizens with equal rights and exercising their right to return to their stolen homes or 3. A Palestinian state from the river to the sea. The two-state solution is the most favorable option for Israel.
You are absolutely clueless 😆
@@blueboys26. 4. two states side by side from the river to the sea.
I note this Israeli has an American accent, like most Israeli’s they’re not indigenous to Palestine. I think that speaks for itself.
What does that mean? Does the same rule apply to immigrants in the UK?
The original isis
@Aan_allein it means jews from all over the world have been told to come and continue the illegal settlements on the Palestinians land and make the jewish state stronger
Indigenous is the point. Immigrants are not indigenous but obviously they have equal rights as citizens. However, in the Israel of today and Palestine, the indigenous people (the Palestinians) do not have anything near equal rights.
If I understood correctly, Palestinians never rejected the Two State Solution as such, but only the versions of that solutions proposed by Israel. Is that right?
PM of Israel has always said there is no 2 state solution. So question is how long for USA to support this war??
Then if trump wins will there be any progress on the matter..?
it wont.. Bibi wants Trump to get in power. Adelson's bankrolled Trumps Israel embassy in Jerusalem.
It's already obvious where Trump stands.
He was the only US president to have the US embassy in Jerusalem; not TeliAviv. Trump's daughter and son in law had conflict of interest. They both have dual citizenship.
Arab Americans should never vote for Trump.
Imagine Trump wins and a much less hawkish Israeli PM, there will be opportunities for new diplomatic initiatives which seem unthinkable right now
Umm, things aren’t going so well at the moment. How about we try a two state solution for a few decades and see what happens?
I've read interviews from the chief Isreali negotiator at Camp David. Shlomo Ban Ami openely admits that Isreal never offered anything to Arafat that he could sell to his people. Ben Ami accepts that Isreal didn't go far enough to secure a deal.
Why dont we give back the Palestinians their country back and give all the suggestions your guest is suggesting to the jews like "diplomatic horizon"
This individual should familiarize himself with Dr. Norman Finkelstein’s insights on the history of the two-state solution, highlighting Palestine’s willingness to compromise significantly. It’s the Israelis who perceive Palestine as a threat to their existence and prioritize their security, often at the expense of Palestinian lives.
Iain, please help me here. Isnt it logical to say that Netanyahu is also a terrorist, oh better still the State of Isreal. I ask this question becauset both Hamas and the government of Israel hold same horrible positions on the two State solutoon. Is one terrorist more morally acceting in the eye of the West? Please help explain!
Britian need to send the europeans to Uganda and the jewish community that wants to live with Palestinian to live in one state in peace...
Hehe, a thief took over your house and won’t let you go back.
What we should call that thief?
A Palestinian
A state without armed forces is like a body without limbs
1895, Herzl, the founder of Zionism, wrote in his diary:
"We must expropriate gently the private property on the state assigned to us. We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it employment in our country. The property owners will come over to our side. Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discretely and circumspectly. Let the owners of the immoveable property believe that they are cheating us, selling us things for more than they are worth. But we are not going to sell them anything back." (America And The Founding Of Israel, p. 49, Righteous Victims, p. 21-22)
😮 I dod not know this
@@historiaeresistencia832 For every thing you 'know,' there are a million things about it you do not know. I only know because I constantly study; there is no 'Compendium of Knowledge on Earth' so a scholar never stops learning.
Blessings!
Palestinians is under threat of Israel.b
I smile as the group colonizing say they are victim's
None of the “offers” that have been presented to the Palestinians has included full sovereignty for a Palestinian state. Which means that it must be able to have its own official military. A demilitarized Palestinian state is not an actual state.
The guest is lying. The Palestinian people want a 2 state state solutions. The majority are under 22 years so wouldn't have voted in Hamas. Why not have a referendum? Let the people of Palestine decide?
Find me one single poll which shows a majority of Palestinians support a two-state solution from the last 12 months. Just one.
The "people" don't have much say in that region. Not the Yemenis under siege by the Houthis, not the Palestinians whose government turned radical, and not the Israelis whose justice evading leader clung to power with a far-right coalition.
If you want a 2 state solution then dont vote Netanyahu.
They didn't.
PROPAGANDA!!! SHAME ON YOU...
The only people talking about 2-state “solution” are outside Israel, it’s a ruse, a joke, Palestinians political class couldn't run a bath never mind a state
The Palestanians must get the status as a seperate country. It must have uncontrolled border with Egypt, Jordan and Lebanon. It must also have unrestricted access to the Al Aqsa mosque. They must be able to sail in the sea with out any check point. The detained prisoners of Palestane should be set free. Therre should be no control of Israel over Palestine in futture.
You are going to dictate to 3 other countries what they must do?
Remember much of the problem is that Egypt would not have an open border with Gaza while they were responsible for the Mandate regarding Gaza for. 1948 to 1967
The Arab states don’t want Palestinians to have freedom of movement
@@kevoreilly6557 These are the lies spread by the Israell goverment to isolate the Palestanians and to control them and grab their lands. if you observe the history of the other countries, america, austailia , some states in africa etc the native people were all killed completely in order to grab the land and claiim owner ship. The germans have done that to namibia in 1904 etc.
The current border of Egypt only can pass civilians. There is no provision for bringing goods. Goods can only be brought with permission and approval from Israel. throught its side of border. How can another state control the movement of goods to another state?. Fishermen face problem during fishing and movement as they are restricted by the Coast Gaurd vessel of Israel. That has to be removed. The other borders of Lebanon, Jordan and entry to Al Aqsa controlled by the Israeli forces are to be removed. It can be jointly controlled by the Palestine and Israel force or they can be gaurded by the United Nations Peace keeping force.
There are people who can form a government in Palestine, establish its constitution. Set the boundaries with other countries. They can form team of experts to form these. It may take few weeks time. But once it is set, they can live peacefully for the rest of future.
So should the Palestinian state be like Lebanon, egypt, Iran, Syria... Maybe yemen? Would it consist of an iran supported milita? How long until they get taken over by the muslim brotherhood and bets on how long it takes them to destroy the rest of Israel?
Do you guys not remember how the Palestinians celebrated when 9/11 happened?
Thank you for the Jewish guy called James who spoke out last after the Middle East advisor.
Everyone in the west is always saying "Israel has a right to exist", but Israel has been denying the Palestinians' right to exist for generations. Remember, the UN mandate (and previously the British mandate) that established the state of Israel also established a state for the Palestinians. But Israel has colonized much of that land, and claims all of it for "Greater Israel".
If not a Palestinian state, then what? The palestinians are supposed to accept they will forever be 3rd class subjects in an Apartheid regime, kept in permanent military occupation? There is no way they will accept that, and we will continue to see this endless cycle of Brutal Israeli repression and violent Palestinian resistance. And whenever the Palestinians try nonviolent resistance, they are massacred by the Israeli military, like the 400 peaceful protesters killed by soldiers and snipers in 2018 and 2019 and the thousands crippled.
A Palestinian state is the only way forward. Israelis have to accept that the Palestinians too have the right to exist, and the right to self-determination.
The Israeli ambassador fails to mention the *actual two state solutions* that were proposed to the Palestinian people.
There was never a real offer of a Palestinian state. Every single “offer” was waaaay lopsided toward Israel and a bait and switch. This guy Oren is a prolific liar. I feel so sorry for the Palestinians. Wow.
When people starve, they don't think
… and when they don’t think, bad things happen.
Why doesn't everyone understand that Hamas doesn't want to rule but wants freedom and human rights for the Palestinians. Stop blaming the Palestinians for turning down the 2 state resolutions because the Palestinians lose more rights to land and lose more control of their rights. Why don't they mention that instead of "The Palestinians always turn down the 2 state solution" and mention what Isreal offers the Palestinians with their 2 state solution
My question is why should Israel accept what can potentially be a free Palestine with Iranian troops next to their cities and capital. No one asks these questions. If Israel is under attacked by terrorists if Palestine is free, would the west 100% intervene and destroy the enemy as if it's a NATO member? Or would Israel have to endure a life time of terrorist attacks despite giving away Palestine ?
The way i see it is that Israel has no other choice but to keep Palestine under their control.
Israel isn't part of NATO.
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Asking only Israelis who then speak only in terms of Israel’s interests at cost of Palestinian interests? This is not journalism, it’s propaganda.
9:29, this guy has a US accent, and he is talking about things happening in Israel. He probably stole that house too
I didn't realize that the two sides were Israel and the US. Seriously, you can actually ask Palestinians what they want instead of just relying on what Israel and the US say Palestinians want. The reason they've rejected every deal is because the deals never took into consideration what Palestinians actually want. Negotiations are usually back and forth and so far the Palestinians have only been asked to accept what Israel and the US want for them, then get blamed for having a different vision of what their self-determination looks like.
The history of the holocaust is very despicable and sad. Should never ever happen again. But now im forced to go back and read more on why the Germans saw the Jews from such a prejudiced standpoint. Is there something history hasnt revealed about the real cause of the holocaust, im really hoping not becauee i woud have thought Isreal will be in the frontline of ensurring that history does not repeat itself again. What the world is witnessing now is even worse? Unacceptable
I used to as well , then i went digging, you'll be surprised and won't feel the same way ever again...best of luck
Hamas is agreeing the two state solution, LBC,don't hoodwink, its the west tht doesn't know the meaning of from river to the sea....
The Israeli Ambassador lied his @rse off! Where to start firstly, it is not true to say that both sides don’t want a two state solution. Hamas don’t represent the majority view of Palastinians. It is that 70% of Israelis don’t want Palastinians to have one. Then there’s the usual lies about Palastinians rejecting every offer of a state. The lie is that the Ambassador doesn’t mention that each offer had less was consecutively less than the UN agreed state. The Palastinians will accept that in a heartbeat. If it’s not two states then it has to be one state. With the right of return for Palastinians and without apartheid against the Palastinians. The world has to force Israel into one option or the other.
Offering someone whose house you took over 80 per cent of 20 per cent of the house isn't really an offer, is it?
It feels like there’s a big mismatch between the historically progressive and inclusive identity of the Jewish community and the current ethnocentric policies under Israel’s far-right government. While Jews have been integral to social and cultural advancements globally, living harmoniously in diverse societies, the insistence on an ethnostate seems increasingly out of step with today’s values of equality and coexistence. The shift away from a community known for championing progressivism to alignment with exclusionary policies is perplexing and concerning. It raises questions about the necessity and impact of maintaining an ethnostate in a world that has made significant strides in human rights, partly thanks to the contributions of Jewish individuals themselves. This paradox challenges us to reconcile a complex past with the present, urging a reflection on how ideals of inclusivity can navigate the realities of geopolitics and collective identity.
Both of these guests are ridiculous. Still treating the Palestinians as if they're complicit in their victimhood.
The ambassador is incorrect. The said solutions that he claimed to have been refused by the Palestinians were described by one of the Palestinians negotiator as humiliating and that Israel never gave an inch.
Contrary, Israel approved settlers to have opportunities to build houses on Palestinian lands while negotiating with them.
To believe that the events of 7 of October came from vacuum is to deny decades of occupation, oppression, desecration of holy sites and land theft.
'You've made it very clear', condescending tone which implies he disagrees with a pretty much indisputable premise.
No other country should have a say in this matter! They're not the ones having to live next to TERRORISTS! They don't know anything!
Imagin for one second that you are a Palestinian you will have to live under and with '' describe them as you like''
Okay then one state solution where all citizens have the same and equal rights
It shouldnt be up to natanyahu if a free state be founded for the Palestinians, given the Israeli government only favours a Jews state where all others are treated as 2nd class citizens. The Israeli state was only established in 1948. The Palestinians have lived in Palestine for over 2000 yrs, so, deep down they are the true descendants of the ancient Jews who lived in that land during the time of Jesus. The Zionists are more Europeans or others than descendants of the ancient Israelites. No, it shouldnt be up to these Zionists😢
The host "totally agrees" to a set of factually inaccurate or at the very least misleading statements about what Palestinians were offered in the past. Predictable and pathetic.
Ian Dale sa6s all the right things in the introduction the he let's the Israeli former deputy prime minister explain how he doesn't feel safe in tel aviv
Then I'm dale says
I totally agree with you
Ffs
So basically he is trying to say two states isnt the solution occupation is.
I don't understand the reluctance of the international community to just recognize a Palestinian state based on the 1948 borders. The illegal settlers can move to Israel or back to the US where a lot of them came from. If Israel doesn't play ball then crippling sanctions can be employed.
The Jews have always been in Israel, it's just that most were scattered due to persecution by subsequent conquerors. Jews started to return to Israel in greater numbers prior to 1948 due to persecution in Europe and Arab countries. They are from all over the world.
Some Jews were there for sure, many of whom would and do reject Zionism. And many jews lived in Muslim countries for generations with no issues@@msferz9177
Anyone who is interested to check who opposed a palestinian state, just go to un page, it s always usa, israel, uk... Moreover just right after oslo agreements, settling expanded which meant clearly that from official israeli side there was no intention of keeping the agreement. Sanghita interviewed an israeli former minister of justice who said exactly the opposite of Michael Oren.
so balanced is having 2 people from the same side on the conversation.. awesome dude..
Any ‘state’ has the RIGHT to remain a state and for that, it needs the right to defend itself. And Isreal totally opposes Palestinian right to self defence.
Keep in mind; this is Isreal at its most liberal.
Make one state is simply give it a new name every one as an equal citizen
It's already a 2 state solution. The Arab state is Jordan!
The only way to get a 2-state solution is to elect to kick out Likud
That’s wouldn’t work any more than a one state solution worked in Lebanon.
offered 2 state solution, and ran back home to do everything and anything to make sure there would never be a 2 state solution. can we at least stop the bs?
Ed Millaband was a missed opportunity. I met him on a train and he was a lovely chap, willing to stop and chat, and have a pic taken with me. He didn't laugh in my face....
The caller at the end made a great point
One-state solution, Palestine... as it has been for 2000 years.
Who were some notable leaders of the state of Palestine before the state was dismantled in 1948?
There should be only only 1 state Palestine 🇵🇸 the other one is occupying. 😜
Ok, so, the first guy said that Israel has offered Palestinians a state numerous times and they rejected it. Who the f does Israel think it is? It is not their land.