ticket 157638….Bought the 940 tactical version about two months ago…gun wouldn’t cycle right from the first round up until the 25th round before I decided to contact mossberg. I was just informed that they want me to pay for the repairs of a new gun that didn’t work from the gate. I bought this gun bc it was American and Jerry had input on it…I will never buy another mossberg product and I knew I should have went with beretta
As a hunter, between the two, I would choose 6.5 PRC. Even though terminal energy may seem important, what is important is terminal velocity, what it takes to make a bullet expand. So, 1350 to 2000 is your goal.
@@winkletown8828Well, mass could be a matter of density. Or are you talking about bigger grain weights? And is 6.5 PRC to small for you? What are you hunting? Also, if you are a good shot, you can bring down a moose with a 6.5 CM. I have seen it done. Go to timestamp 03:45 to get to the action. ua-cam.com/video/CYQlws3xQpk/v-deo.html
@ronws2007 well, I wasn't intending to come off as rude. Heavy bullet = more energy carried even if moving slower. In my experience I've never needed anything more than a .243 , but that is because shot placement matters most. I think like the science explains, For example, think of a 5.56 round, hauling balls but lacks the mass to really do much other than dump its energy the instant resistance is met. Tthen think of a 30 caliber round (obviously not referring to a 2500+ fps round) moves much slower but has the mass to hit a bone like a shoulder or rib and still carry through. I'm actually planning a trip to the city (yeah I'm a country boy) to talk with some gun shops and sporting stores to learn more about these 6.5 cartridges. I'm intrigued and most likely going to buy one but maybe I'll find some real world experience 🤷 I agree that speed has an impact, but I've also been a student of inertia. Mass carries. And although I've never been greedy enough to take a "bad shot " that requires a shoulder fired cannon, I can't rule out proven results. If a round is designed to handle extreme velocities, it can't also be designed to dump its energy at an appropriate point in a target. I've seen countless 6.5 harvests where the round passed straight through the animal, that's rarely the case with the rounds I'm used to using where upon entering the cavity, they dump the entirety of the energy. Most commonly seeing total energy loss about 1/4 way through 2nd lung. Ballistics are interesting and often times difficult to replicate in real life scenarios. If a 6.5 prc can ethically take down a moose, then I'm even more interested in it than before. I'll check out the video. Jeez I sound like a dick 🤣
@@winkletown8828Well, momentum, p, equals mass times velocity. This is regardless of bullet weight and speed. So, a heavier bullet going slow could equal a smaller bullet going fast. Numbers is numbers. But, as you know, the results can be different because impact performance. If energy was the thing then pick the biggest one. But really, how well the slug opens up at impact or just inside is what does the work, regardless of impact energy. So, on average, most hunting rounds will open fully at speeds down to 2000 fps. However, some rounds that are lousy at long distance are great at 300 yards and in even though the starting muzzle velocity is 2700. It starts out slow and gets slower. Rob Arrington is a good shot with that 6.5 CM. He also is not going to shoot past 200 yards or so. That is why he took the chance of spooking the beast by getting so close in that canola bean field. Generally, yes, a heavier bullet will often be physically bigger and simply make a bigger starting hole. Speed is not everything. If the bullet pencils through, all the speed and momentum didn't do anything for it. Personally, I would not take a moose with a 6.5 CM. I have .308s but now my 7 PRC is my favorite. 175 gr ELD at 3k fps. On paper, a higher recoil impulse than my .308 165 gr at 2.7k fps. But, with a good brake and a good recoil pad, It only feels like an unbraked 308 in terms of "felt" recoil. And that is why I use hunting rounds instead of match rounds. I may be a fudd for this, but I think match rounds, even heavy ones, are best for holes in paper and dings on plates. Because that round is doing what is designed to do. Really flat and at long distances. Technically a slower speed but a better trajectory. And I actually have a certificate that gives upgrade to complete a-hole. 😀
@@winkletown8828I’ve started using my 6.5 PRC for everything smaller than elk. I’m personally shooting 156 Berger EOL’s right at 2,900 fps. If you like a bullet that unloads inside, that combo is very good. 156 @ 2,900 is not far behind a 7 mag shooting a 160 at 3,000. Less recoil, stupid accurate, etc. for deer from close in the timber to 400 - 500 yards across a canyon it does very well. You can absolutely undeniably do what I mentioned above with a .270, .308, 7 mag, 30-06, etc as far as killing deer. I really liked this particular gun and it happened to be a 6.5 PRC. The more I’ve shot it the more I love it. I have a feeling you’d be the same. It’s just so stupidly accurate and mild mannered compared to the bigger magnums yet that load isn’t far behind many of the bigger rounds. Kind of punches above it’s weight class. For elk+ I just can’t leave the 300 win mag sitting in the safe lonely 😉😉 at a certain point there is no replacement for displacement. Even if there is, 300 win mag and elk are just a match made in heaven. With that being said, I would have no problem taking my PRC on an elk hunt whatsoever. In fact if I were going on a cow hunt or something like that I probably would. I just LIKE shooting elk with my 300 😂
I believe you may have mis-stated the PRC having 400 fps more muzzle velocity than the creed
Wow... what a long ass way to say 200fps and a hint more of recoil. Thanks Mossberg!
What model of Vortex optical system do you use?
ticket 157638….Bought the 940 tactical version about two months ago…gun wouldn’t cycle right from the first round up until the 25th round before I decided to contact mossberg. I was just informed that they want me to pay for the repairs of a new gun that didn’t work from the gate. I bought this gun bc it was American and Jerry had input on it…I will never buy another mossberg product and I knew I should have went with beretta
Finally an honest review
6.5 PRC for the win.
So if I just want a target gun, the 6.5 Creedmoor is the better choice, correct?
The 300wsm is my hunting round .
300 RUM knocks”em out the park for me
@@joshuaw2988300 weatherby for me
I LIKE THE CREED AT SHORT RANGE AS IT DOES NOT BLOW APART DUE TO SLOWER VELOCITY. TAKE ME PRC WHEN SHOTS ARE LIKELY TO BE 200 PLUS.
Slightly exaggerated speed differences.
As a hunter, between the two, I would choose 6.5 PRC. Even though terminal energy may seem important, what is important is terminal velocity, what it takes to make a bullet expand. So, 1350 to 2000 is your goal.
As a hunter, I'd rather have more mass, then again, I'm not hunting squirrels and rabbits 🤷
@@winkletown8828Well, mass could be a matter of density. Or are you talking about bigger grain weights? And is 6.5 PRC to small for you? What are you hunting?
Also, if you are a good shot, you can bring down a moose with a 6.5 CM. I have seen it done.
Go to timestamp 03:45 to get to the action.
ua-cam.com/video/CYQlws3xQpk/v-deo.html
@ronws2007 well, I wasn't intending to come off as rude.
Heavy bullet = more energy carried even if moving slower.
In my experience I've never needed anything more than a .243 , but that is because shot placement matters most. I think like the science explains,
For example, think of a 5.56 round, hauling balls but lacks the mass to really do much other than dump its energy the instant resistance is met. Tthen think of a 30 caliber round (obviously not referring to a 2500+ fps round) moves much slower but has the mass to hit a bone like a shoulder or rib and still carry through. I'm actually planning a trip to the city (yeah I'm a country boy) to talk with some gun shops and sporting stores to learn more about these 6.5 cartridges. I'm intrigued and most likely going to buy one but maybe I'll find some real world experience 🤷
I agree that speed has an impact, but I've also been a student of inertia. Mass carries. And although I've never been greedy enough to take a "bad shot " that requires a shoulder fired cannon, I can't rule out proven results. If a round is designed to handle extreme velocities, it can't also be designed to dump its energy at an appropriate point in a target. I've seen countless 6.5 harvests where the round passed straight through the animal, that's rarely the case with the rounds I'm used to using where upon entering the cavity, they dump the entirety of the energy. Most commonly seeing total energy loss about 1/4 way through 2nd lung. Ballistics are interesting and often times difficult to replicate in real life scenarios. If a 6.5 prc can ethically take down a moose, then I'm even more interested in it than before. I'll check out the video. Jeez I sound like a dick 🤣
@@winkletown8828Well, momentum, p, equals mass times velocity. This is regardless of bullet weight and speed. So, a heavier bullet going slow could equal a smaller bullet going fast. Numbers is numbers. But, as you know, the results can be different because impact performance.
If energy was the thing then pick the biggest one. But really, how well the slug opens up at impact or just inside is what does the work, regardless of impact energy. So, on average, most hunting rounds will open fully at speeds down to 2000 fps. However, some rounds that are lousy at long distance are great at 300 yards and in even though the starting muzzle velocity is 2700. It starts out slow and gets slower.
Rob Arrington is a good shot with that 6.5 CM. He also is not going to shoot past 200 yards or so. That is why he took the chance of spooking the beast by getting so close in that canola bean field.
Generally, yes, a heavier bullet will often be physically bigger and simply make a bigger starting hole. Speed is not everything. If the bullet pencils through, all the speed and momentum didn't do anything for it.
Personally, I would not take a moose with a 6.5 CM. I have .308s but now my 7 PRC is my favorite. 175 gr ELD at 3k fps. On paper, a higher recoil impulse than my .308 165 gr at 2.7k fps. But, with a good brake and a good recoil pad, It only feels like an unbraked 308 in terms of "felt" recoil.
And that is why I use hunting rounds instead of match rounds. I may be a fudd for this, but I think match rounds, even heavy ones, are best for holes in paper and dings on plates. Because that round is doing what is designed to do. Really flat and at long distances. Technically a slower speed but a better trajectory.
And I actually have a certificate that gives upgrade to complete a-hole. 😀
@@winkletown8828I’ve started using my 6.5 PRC for everything smaller than elk. I’m personally shooting 156 Berger EOL’s right at 2,900 fps. If you like a bullet that unloads inside, that combo is very good. 156 @ 2,900 is not far behind a 7 mag shooting a 160 at 3,000. Less recoil, stupid accurate, etc. for deer from close in the timber to 400 - 500 yards across a canyon it does very well.
You can absolutely undeniably do what I mentioned above with a .270, .308, 7 mag, 30-06, etc as far as killing deer. I really liked this particular gun and it happened to be a 6.5 PRC. The more I’ve shot it the more I love it. I have a feeling you’d be the same. It’s just so stupidly accurate and mild mannered compared to the bigger magnums yet that load isn’t far behind many of the bigger rounds. Kind of punches above it’s weight class.
For elk+ I just can’t leave the 300 win mag sitting in the safe lonely 😉😉 at a certain point there is no replacement for displacement. Even if there is, 300 win mag and elk are just a match made in heaven. With that being said, I would have no problem taking my PRC on an elk hunt whatsoever. In fact if I were going on a cow hunt or something like that I probably would. I just LIKE shooting elk with my 300 😂