Further tuning equates more financial increase. By the time it reaches the a45 amg, it'll probably cost the same, thus negating it's initial budget friendly target, no?
@@trcs3079 yes that is one point, but you can start nearly as fast for half the price, then slowly modify as you see fit. It's also more fun as a drivers car.
on a track, it's definitely not on a different level, on backroads like this AWD will inspire more confidence for the driver which help more than ultimate performance when u can't push 10/10 everywhere.
100%. You can just see how much input Tsuchiya had to put in to keep a respectable line (especially when he was leading). Insane that the fk8 hung tough though because the A45 buildout is guaranteed twice the cost of the FK8 buildout! Shout out Seeker!
I've been watching Best Motoring videos since a teenager, dreaming about owning a 90's sports car and I never knew about new videos. Watching this one is kinda nostalgic and awesome in the same way. DK skills always amazed me and it's impressive that he didn't lost the touch over the years. Kudos from Brazil, big fan here, @BestMOTORing, nowdays I own an CIVIC FA8 Si, inspired by those Touge battles.
I can't help but to think that it would be amazing to see Keichi Tsuchiya to have a go at Rally Monte Carlo. I'd love to see how well he would do against like Sebastian Loeb.
@@TassieLorenzo you can read in the caption the driver talks about tapping the break which caused the oversteer (very similar to lift off oversteer as you said)
A45 has 100 more horses, All Wheels Drive vs Type R which is FWD ... on a wet condition. A45 has an advantage clearly ... and a 50% higher price tab. I will say good job to both the Honda Engineers and German Engineers for coming up with 2 'Super' cars that are great to drive and compete with. Great cars!!
They are on different leagues, is not even comparable. One side drives for a living, the others are just broadcaster / car journalist. Both are fun and professional in their own ways.
Battle was awesome. Big accomplishment for the folks at Seeker to set up an FF to compete with a 4WD in wet conditions, no less. Also, where can I get that Seeker shirt? It looks too cool 🥶
As a Honda owner and therefore fan, having great appreciation for the brand and its products, I gotta say, that AMG wiped the floor with the Civic. And that's not a bad thing to any of us. On the contrary
Everyone knows the a45 has a lot of lag that’s why it has 400 hp so all the civic driver had to was slow down before the 90 degree bend and then speed up again and that creates a gap for the a45
When Tsuchiya-san exiting the corner then accelerate, I feel like seeing a Fujiwara zone IRL.
この路面でこの二人の真剣勝負は素晴らしですね！
見てるだけでゾクゾクします！
the fact that he blamed himself for the second race shows what a honorable driver he is GOAT
😄
How did you get keiichi’s face in your comment? Lol
@@johnfishcajigal Membership
Drift King 🤴
Nobody there has to prove anything. He reminds me of Walter Röhrl.
谷口さん、レースでもプライベートでもベンツ乗りのプライドにかけて
2本目はマジでしたね😇
織戸さんのコメントがわかりやすくて、動画の面白さを底上げしてる
谷口さんと土屋さんのピリピリも伝わってきてシビれる！
どちらも素晴らしい車ですね。本気のバトルも見れて最高ですね
やっぱいつになっても値段は高いけどスポーツできる車を出してくれるのはありがたい
いや車もすごいけど、１０００万近くもするしかもショップのデモカーをこんな状況で全開にできるプロたちがもっとすごいわ
今の時代こんな熱いの少ないから見てて楽しいな
Wow the civic is unbelievable. Imagine now dry surface and further tuning to reach the amg´s costs. This FF car is just a beast
Agreed!
Further tuning equates more financial increase. By the time it reaches the a45 amg, it'll probably cost the same, thus negating it's initial budget friendly target, no?
@@trcs3079 yes that is one point, but you can start nearly as fast for half the price, then slowly modify as you see fit. It's also more fun as a drivers car.
@@trcs3079 Well with honda probably not. Get a laptop, set it on your passenger seat and boom that's an extra 400 horses.
@@trcs3079 it doesn't need further tunning, as it is now on track it will beat the benz.
A45 is definitely on a different level but Tsuchiya 's amazing driving skill made FK8 to reach the same level as the A45
I think so, ff has no chance again awd in wet surface.. but that crazy old man doing some incredible job.. mr stuchiya is a real legend
on a track, it's definitely not on a different level, on backroads like this AWD will inspire more confidence for the driver which help more than ultimate performance when u can't push 10/10 everywhere.
100%. You can just see how much input Tsuchiya had to put in to keep a respectable line (especially when he was leading). Insane that the fk8 hung tough though because the A45 buildout is guaranteed twice the cost of the FK8 buildout! Shout out Seeker!
Don't forget it's tuned Civic-R. Base Civic-R gets smoked by A45
WRX STI beat this AMG! BRAVO
65歳でこの運転技術は素晴らしいの一言しか無い。
海外勢の方々のコメントを翻訳して見てたら「狂った老人」と出てて笑いました
確かになあw
家の親父と同い年とは、思えない………。
@@uniik819 😂
この人見てると本当に車の人生を生きてるよね。
若さがながく保たれるのを期待したくなる
それはそれでいいのだけど
シビックのフロントタイヤが滑りかけてるように見えるよ
素晴らしいバトルでしたね！
I've been watching Best Motoring videos since a teenager, dreaming about owning a 90's sports car and I never knew about new videos. Watching this one is kinda nostalgic and awesome in the same way. DK skills always amazed me and it's impressive that he didn't lost the touch over the years. Kudos from Brazil, big fan here, @BestMOTORing, nowdays I own an CIVIC FA8 Si, inspired by those Touge battles.
the initial D style techno music is always nostalgic no matter how old we get
Would love to see the same battle but in dry conditions . Thanks again for the subtitles
These old men are still living the life
Civic Type R looks so cool in Red almost like Angry Bird
8:55 Keiichi Tsuchiya Entering the Keiichi Zone ( The real takumi zone as defined by Ryosuke )
I can't help but to think that it would be amazing to see Keichi Tsuchiya to have a go at Rally Monte Carlo. I'd love to see how well he would do against like Sebastian Loeb.
Honestly both cars seemed to be struggling thru the tighter turns, wet conditions and vehicle weight seems to play a big role
This was a good race. Tsuchiya showed out and showed off his skills in that Civic Type R. Think about it: an FF against a 4WD in semi wet conditions.
The chassis and suspension of the fk8 must be truly incredible to oversteer on power for a ff car with so much power
Honda pulled it off with the EK9 and DC2 Type-R so if anyone can pull it off, its them
Pretty much every Honda has been able to do that right off of the showroom floor since like 1984.
It doesn't oversteer on power (power oversteer) that's impossible for FF, it's lift-off oversteer and chassis balance oversteer...
Not power. Tsuchiya-san said he slowed mid corner causing weight to shift foward.
@@TassieLorenzo
you can read in the caption the driver talks about tapping the break which caused the oversteer (very similar to lift off oversteer as you said)
凄い〜土屋さん。マシン性能差があるのに、その差をなくす。凄い
Awesome battle !
A45内装めちゃくちゃかっこいいやんけ
結局昔から出てるチューナーが残るんですね〜
ノウハウって大事ですね
That reminds me the fight between Hamilton and Verstappen....nice video
A45 has 100 more horses, All Wheels Drive vs Type R which is FWD ... on a wet condition. A45 has an advantage clearly ... and a 50% higher price tab. I will say good job to both the Honda Engineers and German Engineers for coming up with 2 'Super' cars that are great to drive and compete with. Great cars!!
the A45 is actually really cheap compared to the Type R, almost same price second hand.
*tag, price tag, friend..
100 horses more? not sure about that, unless it's the a45s? standard a45 is about 350bhp vs round 320 in the civic
@@antop4597 the civic is 305 hp not 320
@@antop4597 a35 is 300 something lol, a45 is 400+
土屋さん左90度やたら速いww
ドライで見たかったですねぇ。
Had this been Initial D Final Stage, that is the time Tsuchiya-san showed his wings. 😊
Hahaha, Orido really called it with Taniguchi getting his switch flipped after the first run xD
This channel deserver much more views!!! Very great content!!
このチャネルは、はるかに多くのビューに値します!!! とても素晴らしいコンテンツです！
I'm soo sorry for very bad japanese translation, I'm just using Google translate 🥲
A45のシフトスピードすげぇ
I realised when they showed the weight comparison that the A45 is over 500lbs heavier. That's quite significant to offset its horsepower advantage.
昔、赤いFD2でFF魔王になられた
『SEEKER』
寺岡さん‼︎ 次は完勝してください♬
It would be very cool if they invited Tsunoda and Gasly for a special Honda episode!
🙄
Max?
But Tsunoda should be perfect!
These battles are very exciting from start to finish!
4:24
FK8: Wu tutututut, wuuuuu
A45: Wuuutuuuutuuutuutuutuu
Man this was a good battle.... to get the FK8 to oversteer like that DK had to be getting it really good. 🤘
I will always choose real drivers like Nobuteru, Manabu and Keiichi over comedians like Jeremy, James and Richard.
and max orido
@@PageCarteller MAX Orido's real name is Manabu Orido.
hell no top gear holds more memories
They are on different leagues, is not even comparable. One side drives for a living, the others are just broadcaster / car journalist.
Both are fun and professional in their own ways.
@@hyphed4196 only in jokes
That red Type R looks awesome.
Battle was awesome. Big accomplishment for the folks at Seeker to set up an FF to compete with a 4WD in wet conditions, no less.
Also, where can I get that Seeker shirt? It looks too cool 🥶
Civic Type R is an absolute track beast
Nah
FK8オーナーですけど勝負はAMG A45の勝ちですね(笑)SEEKERと土屋職人だからあの速さで勝負出来てた（職人凄すぎる）
でも冷静に考えるとあのやたら重いR34より更に100キロ重いA45がチューンしたFK8と対等にこのクソ狭い峠で走れるってのも凄いですよ、同じ2Lターボですからねしかも....
今のAMGってどのクラスも恐ろしい完成度ですよね😅どのクラスも重いのに、車の性能でカバーしてしまうという…
@@ecoeco2457 AMGを軽量化してハイグリップタイヤ履かせたら凄いことになりそうですね。
純正では安全性能とか快適性能とかの余計な物がいっぱい付いてるから重たいけどその辺をなくせたら化けそうです。
@@たくたく-b4w ECUちょっとイジッただけで500馬力いっちゃいますよ
土屋さんの腕がなければ 完璧にシビックが負けてた訳だ
Still remember 20yrs ago, watching DK race, damn… he is still v good and amazing speed and controls. 😍😍🥇
走りに関係ないですがA45の内装かっこいいですね
織戸選手、シーカーの赤いシビック見ると運転したくないですよね。当時、小学生でしたがあれは衝撃的でした。ただ、その後織戸選手が峠から姿を消したことが一番悲しかったですね。
今はとっくに峠に復帰されていますが、こうして3人のメインパーソナリティでHotVersionが続いていることが喜ばしいです。次は足が改善されたスープラ乗ってくださいね。
ただただ素晴らしい、カッコイイ、プロですね。
シーカーの赤いFK8カッコイイよね
one of the finest recommendations i've ever had
See this race looks fun but surely it's dangerous, what about that tiny tiny road they're using
Gunma Cycle Sports Center
Nice battle!
久しぶりにマジバトル見た(^-^)
this reminds me of initial d! they all got the skills!
This channel deserves more subs
will never forget that MR-S in the titkle sequence, its too beastly
Wow what a great channel! I'm a noob to it we don't have anything really like this in English media. Brilliant!
ドライで再戦してほしい一戦ですね
土屋さんのあの技量と速さ……笑 とても60とは思えない……笑
Es el Rey
ホンダ好きとしては土屋さんが一矢報いてくれてホッとしてます😝
でもメルセデス速えー！
Wow DKs driving is impeccable
I wish I have money to buy a Civic. That's my dream car since I was young.
That's some real initial d that first run.
Look at wheel control on each car, Mer. seems effortless and relax. That’s the differents haha
That’s what japanese tuning stands for a balance and efficiency of the car and economic and not a speed
まるで今現在のF1の総力図みたいですね！
Cierto jejeje, saludos desde Barcelona España
勢力図？
You made my day with this video
best car channel in the universe
A45が乗りやすい車ですね。
a45はマジでエグい
Man that gap in the first race. Keiichi is a huge driver mod
JDM cars is number one☺️ watching from Philippines
RX7 RE Amemiya kapan balik ke Gunsai touge lagi Pakdhe DK?
J'S Racing n Feed sepertinya udah siap menyambut..
Yep if you did add the extra cost from a45 to civic it might be even, but you still can't get the interior and tech features of the amg
For that cost difference you could probably add that too.
Interior and tech features r just poser
オープニングがピリピリしてるね。
As a Honda owner and therefore fan, having great appreciation for the brand and its products, I gotta say, that AMG wiped the floor with the Civic. And that's not a bad thing to any of us. On the contrary
MCRの社長が数年前、外国のインタビューで今の日本車のポテンシャル不足を心配してたけど、
本当にそれが現実になったんだなぁって感じました。
まさかシビックＲが群サイで勝てないなんて・・・
ぶっちゃけVAB、FK8よりもエボ9のが速いと思うんだけど、どうなんだろうね
大丈夫、ここの魔王は2台いる上に両方国産のチューニングカーだから
@@verdure023 今はアシストM4も魔王も加わってますよ
Awesome race👏👏👏👏👏
Love to own both car some day
Everyone knows the a45 has a lot of lag that’s why it has 400 hp so all the civic driver had to was slow down before the 90 degree bend and then speed up again and that creates a gap for the a45
Ek het die baie geniet dankie
Nice
Thank you for english subtitle!
Wooow, great video!!!!😍😍🔥🔥
I cant believe i only found this channel today
Can't believe he gods of racing are still at it!
すげえなぁ〜速すぎ
10年前の寺岡さんは初々しい可愛い感じだったけど10年も経つと雰囲気も変わるもんだなぁと思ってしまいました‼️
でも相変わらずいい車造りますよね☝️
不利なウェットで1000万AWDと500万のFFの対決で一本勝つんだから
ドライバーも車もすごい。
チューニングしてる時点でイーブンじゃないよ。A45sはノーマル。
ノーマル対決ならタイプR完敗。
よく車両価格＋チューニング費用で高性能外車にタメ張ってる国産車スゲーって言ってる人いるけど内装や走りの質感、先進装備、ブランド力全負けしてるっていう事に気づいてない。そこもひっくるめての価格差なのよ。
ただ、最新のタイプRはそこを努力していて全体的な質感UPをして且つ500万切ってるのは本当に素晴らしいと思う。
Son dos grandes coches 👏👏🇪🇸🏁
Love this Channel! Arigato!
やっぱり土屋さんって上手いのよなぁ。
現役のスーパーGTドライバーについていけるんやもんなぁ。
しかも還暦過ぎてますからね…😓
バケモノすぎる…
Love that best motoring is back !
車体のポテンシャルはメルセデスの方が上だと思う。200kgの車重ハンデを駆動方式と馬力で帳消しにしてしまう。
昨今速さを求めると四駆のトラクションに勝るものは無いのかと一石投じるホンダのFFシビックに私はスポーツカーらしいスピリットを感じる。
不利なのは100も承知！
それでもホンダはシビックを四駆せず、FFと言う駆動方式で速さを極めようとするこれがシビれる！
SEEKERさん！頑張って今の四駆を蹴散らすタイプRを作ってください！
応援してます❗
あと、ドローに持ち込んでくれた土屋さん！やっぱり峠の魔王は土屋さんですね！！！最高の走りでした✨
現代FFはメチャ速だー
Excelente vídeo!
Awesome race, guys.
3:28 yeah, i wonder why it sounds like just like that...
コバちゃんすっかり痩せちゃって😮
やっぱり車重で有利になるのは左90度と最後2つのコーナーなのかな?
ドライバー入れ替えてやって欲しいな
The guy in black at 4:10 looks like Japanese Willem Defoe