I know an old black MK Umkhonto Wesizwe man who was in Exile in communist Russia and got trained there , he started out as young boy in black township supporting communism and socialism but after he stayed in communist Russia he became disillusioned with it . An Economist Adam Smith was right when he said " The reason you find a bread 🍞🍞🍞🍞🍞 waiting for you in the morning it's not because the Baker is benovalent ,it's because the Baker has SELF-INTEREST".
Nobody is advocating communism in SA . The communism you talk of is a long way off even the socialism being discussed here. Even the Chinese understand the limitations of communism.
Imbecile!! the baker has/had SELF INTEREST in baking otherwise that would have all died of starvation within months. It's natural that when the murderous thieving psychopaths accumulate massive amount of wealth, there will always be swarms of people attracted as the crumbs of death are distributed. The intent had a foundation, then it constantly evolves through improvement, education, and so on. Would you like to go back to the 1850's when children would go down mines, Was THAT communism? OR children working in mines in Niger for French cappies, is that communism.OR Indian children scrounging through mile high garbage tips, is that communism. Should send you lot and your kids down the mines to give you a dose of capitalism.
I would like to see how capitalist powers would have won the Cold War without having Africa and Latin America to exploit (and have soldiers from colonies die in place of their own, in WW2 I mean). Another important factor is that the Cold War started after World War 2, and look at how much the USSR suffered from WW2 compared to USA or even France and UK. In the USSR whole cities were ruined, millions of civilians were either killed or displaced, land was burned and bombed out, genocide was committed by Nazi Germany in the USSR, Poland and in Yugoslavia. Meanwhile USA's mainland was completely untouched by the war, this puts USA in a big advantage. China suffered a similar amount of damage to the USSR from Japanese occupation and then civil war. Yet despite all these disadvantages the USSR still managed to rival the Western Block, rebuild, put the first man in space, and even help African and Asian national liberation movements fight for independence. Once you take in all the numerous factors and contemporary conditions you see that it was never a fair fight. Capitalism will not work in Africa because Africans don't have a third party they would go and exploit, in contrast, Africans end up the exploited party by the global capitalist centers of power (who will then go on to claim "Look how good capitalism is!") or by other Africans who make up a very small select cast of the society.
@@JCTVAfrica people forget that USSR helped Europe to defeat Adolf and as a result it suffered immensely . When the war ended Europe was pummelled beyond repair by Adolf. USA being rulled by European Americans felt duty bound to help by pumping in billions of usd into Europe (Marshall plan ) leaving out the USSR that had helped liberate Europe from Adolf. Truth must be told .
The western neoliberal capitalist model will not work. The Chinese understood that since Deng xiaoping. African need and home- grown form of capitalism that works their people at large, and not just their elites and their politically connected, which is what they have currently.
But they don't have Communist systems cause they saw first hand all the shit that comes along with that. This child Julius, who's born yesterday now thinks he has the magic well with all the answers to solve the missing pieces in Communism. As if all those great thinkers ahead of him were somehow all at fault and only bra Julius can solve it. He is totally misguided and merely seeking attention. Best part is - he is not even a communist. He was thrown out of a meeting of the YCL. Julius is a chancer
Not really. Every country has social aspects. It's not because socialism is great, but rather because the Government is obligated to effect change with our taxes. 😊
The fathers of Communism that Malema espouses are German philosophers and political theorists ie Karl Marx & Friedrich Engels. This exceptionalism that Malema is trying to preach is a false doctrine & misguided.
@@mikolowiskamikolowiska4993 East Germany actually had a higher standard of living for the general population than many capitalist countries, including Apartheid South Africa. It didn't have the extreme forms of wealth that a tiny minority of South Africans enjoyed, but in the broad population and the bottom of the society no East German ever lived in such precarious conditions as the majority of South Africans were subjected to. That's a fact! East Germany resembled social democratic countries like Denmark, Sweden or the Netherlands in that regard, while Apartheid South Africa had more in common with countries like Brazil, Columbia or Honduras, where you have a minority of the population enjoying extraordinary wealth, while most of the population live in abject poverty without access to basic services and amenities.
Malema always communicates his point well. I don't know why people keep thinking they are going to school him on anything. He is operating from a morally higher ground because of what was done to Africa, and he speaks only his truth. You can NOT argue with someone speaking their truth. He also has historical fact on his side. So, when you say something, you really need to be sure it is factually correct. Good luck Julius. I really want to see how successful you can be. The world is so scared of Africa trying something different. Being independent. All I can say is if the West or Europe are against it... do THAT thing.
Truth is exclusive. There is no "his truth" or "My truth" or "your truth". Truth is one. Malema is deceived. Socialism has a record of failure that only a politician like Malema would ignore. No nation, none, that has tried socialism has ended up in a better place. Socialism always fails when it runs out of other people's money to dish out. China saw its brand of socialism failing and that is why it opened up it's economy to American capitalism to manufacture stuff for America and Europe. Cuba is a failure. Tanzania is a failure. The Soviet Union was a failure. And Malema will fail totally
Communism isn't new or different... Africa wants everything for nothing! Southern Africa is a prime example of this. If Africa really wanted to do something different it would not be flooding everyone's borders. If Africa really wanted to be something it would not be dependent on whites, if Africa wanted to do good it would of long ago stopped begging everyone and reunited. Sadly Africa does none of these things, and if you had 2 brain cells they would tell you that Julius is schooling noone. Communism is known to have failed and all forms of it have been tried. It's only Africa that still thinks it can work, sadly Julius here is being made an idiot but again Africa doesn't understand it. Why would you
What nonsense. China is NOT a free state. Chinese people are not free. China is built on a bubble, BASED on the Capitalistic World - it's economy is built on free world technology and principles, yet it's people are not free. Dictated to, restricted. Cuba is a TOTAL failure; worse than even South Africa, now. Most, if not all, are unemployed, there is limited food, hospital supplies etc. People are suffering, farms do not operate, if they do they use oxen not machinery - unaffordable; people are fleeing. What nonesense. And socialism has ALREADY FAILED WHEREVER IT HAS BEEN IMPLEMENTED IN AFRICA - ALREADY. Because of human nature of Greed. Most prevalent in yet undeveloped States. - which is most, of Africa - it's form in South Africa has already DEPLETED and destroyed South Africa, ON EVERY LEVEL. With an unsustainable social system taking from those that create and giving to those that simply consume - through no fault of their own. But the failed Government. Malema and EFF have NO proven experience of delivering. Of producing. Of managing ANY economy. NOT EVEN A MUNICIPALITY. The only proof is what they have destroyed, themselves consumed. AND NOW TO SCHOOL ONE OF THE MOST SUCCESSFUL ECONOMIES EVER - GERMANY - FROM TOTAL DESTRUCTION TO TOP 5; AND THE FAILED EASTERN GERMANY? WHO KNOW FIRST HAND. THIS IS HOW ARROGANT AFRICA IS - THEY WERE HANDED ONE OF THE MOST ADVANCED ECONOMIES ANDINDUSTRIES IN THE WORLD IN 1994 IN SOUTH AFRICA; NEVER BEFORE HAPPENED ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD. AND IN THIRTY YEARS, THEY DESTROYED WHAT WAS BUILT - BY AND LARGE IN 40 YEARS - FROM 1950 to 1994. Singapore and South Korea, in 30 years. were built from NOTHING, NO NATURAL RESOURCES - FAILED STATES - TO GLOBAL POWERHOUSES - ON CAPITALISM - AND SOUTH AFRICA?. But dream on, believe a man who has never,ever had a job, created anything, lives a life of Riley, in mansions, send his kidss to private school - yet 'schools' those who know. And Mzansi Burns. Stupid is as Stupid does.
His surrounded by corrupt people trying to get their snouts into the feeding trough. China's success was attributed to their not having minimum wages or unions which attracted half of the factories in the USA to relocate to China, where there were suddenly plentiful jobs available, and the working population were able to learn trades and skills, until they were able on stand on their own feet, and salaries naturally rose with their skill levels. Unlike SA where there is now no foreign investment, and no job creation, thanks to violent workers and unacceptable union demands, and corrupt politicians like Malema who speaks with forked tongue. There is only one way for the SA economy to turn around. Copy the Chinese method of zero minimum wages and labour laws, and no unions. But that's enough for juju to chock on his own vomit.🤣
People should read the manifestos and policy documents before they embarrass themselves on public platforms, the EFF has never advocated for " Mao zedong" style socialism/communism, the best explanation is what Malema just gave, " socialism with South African characteristics" . If you want to know what that is, you should go look up the policy documents. Why is Germany so scared of Socialism that does not concern them? even learned African languages an attempt to convince us otherwise
The ambassador never claimed that EFF is following the ideology of Mao Zedong. In fact, he was sharing his own East German experience, which had nothing to do with Mao Zedong, but with the USSR-aligned SED Party of East Germany, which followed Marxism-Leninism of the Soviet kind, not Maoism. In fact it is Malema who brought up China as a role-model for "Socialism", failing to understand that China's rise to economic success actually started once the CCP abandonned Maoism and embraced a free market economy! Germany is not "scared" of Socialism, in fact Germany is a semi-socialist nations that spends a huge percentage of it's GDP on public health care, free education and welfare. It's just that East Germans in particular experienced a socialist form of governance for four decades, hence they have an understanding of the reality in a state that is organised along those principles. If you want to learn first hand about life in East Germany, you can maybe ask someone in your extended family, who has stayed in East Germany during those times? East Germany hosted many of the ANC cadres and students of the 1976 generation, who went into exile. Maybe one of your relatives was among them and can tell you!
Coming from the German ambassador it is rich experience....he lived through it in the old GDR...it must be noted that Angela Merkel (arguably THE TOP LEADER off Germany from last 70 years ) was a product of socialist educational system...life's contradictions
@@esahm373China doesn't have a free market, that term doesn't make sense. It's a managed system like any other run at a broad level by the party. Contrast with a centrally planned system in the west run by plutocrats
How old was the "German Ambassador" when he had his " first hand view" of their Socialist System . When it collapsed ,he was barely 20 years old. Damn Andreas, do you think someone is interested in your premature "first hand experience" as a toddler & teenager in the GDR? But you have received your deserved answer by an African politician.
Good comment. He looks way too young to have experienced anything very much of the GDR system. And it's merely arrogant, particularly in such company, for him to suggest otherwise.
He is ambassador because in the GDR he received 3 nutritious meals, a roof over his head and a solid education. If he grew up in the West, he would likely be on his knees serving another man or cross dressing as a woman or already dead because he spent his youth drinking too much, going to raves and doing too much recreational drugs.
Both China and Cuba have mixed market drivers (communism, modified socialist and capitalist) economies. It's practically impossible in modern day global market garden to have strictly one type of economy whether capitalist, socialist, or communist. Most states aim at minimizing communism as much as possible, bt have a little bit of each in some way
@@lebohangsibongilemotsumi7733 nobody is advovovating turning into the next Cuba. SA needs a bespoke economic model for itself. We have a different history, demographics, and wealth distribution to Cuba, so Malema is right, the economic model will need to be tailored to South Africa
@@lebohangsibongilemotsumi7733 cuba have been sanctioned since the late 60 by the US how do u expect their currency to grow?look at Zimbabwe and its not even 30 on sanctioned
@@lebohangsibongilemotsumi7733How is the Cuban system linked to Socialism with South African characteristics??Please listen in context to understand!!
It goes deeper than that. Why doesn't the general public fail to benefit, how much does the majority contribute. You see, when economy is changed from capitalist to socialist or socio-communist the constitution changes quite vigorously and aggressively. The bill of rights changes too. The Law that governs the land changes and some of the changes will sting on most people hyping socialism. It's not a small job!
China's success was attributed to their not having minimum wages or unions which attracted half of the factories in the USA to relocate to China, where there were suddenly plentiful jobs available, and the working population were able to learn trades and skills, until they were able on stand on their own feet, and salaries naturally rose with their skill levels. Unlike SA where there is now no foreign investment, and no job creation, thanks to violent workers and unacceptable union demands, and corrupt politicians like Malema who speaks with forked tongue. There is only one way for the SA economy to turn around. Copy the Chinese method of zero minimum wages and labour laws, and no unions. But that's enough for juju to chock on his own vomit.🤣
for that reason, it MUST continue, as it creates a cage for the 98%...and WHATS NOT TO LIKE. Of course, a perfect economic model, which I have never seen in my LIFE, is more "public/members/people" orientated, but also needs focus, and leadership, or it will get LAZY and WASTEFUL and self-defeating. elbow grease by all that can for all that need it, helping those that truly need help too.
The same goes for socialism and communism. The elite like Putin and his oligargs(the few that haven't died misteriously) are living in the uptmost lucxury whilst the masses are living in poverty. Same evil just a different name.
I think there is nothing like pure capitalism and pure socialism. We are living in a complicated society today. So whatever works let it be used to raise people from poverty.
Yeah. Capitalism creates wealth, socialism scatters it all. Capitalism lifts people out of poverty. Socialism spreads poverty. There is no place on this planet where socialism has been tried and worked. Nowhere. It has always ended up in misery and poverty
No we abandoned national socialism when apartheid fell under John Vorster in the 70s, the NP after that was a transition away from it lead by the DP of Cape Town,this was capitalism. Black Nationalism is communism just like what Chris Hani and your strugglewarts were and are today! There's no black political movement that's not communist, never has there been. The ANC NDP is a push towards socialism at all costs it's called transformation. This is why noone likes black people, because everything you touch breaks, and the more people tell you not to do something the less you listen. It's not as if you have done anything worth trying as the world has moved on but Africa once again cannot evolve. The biggest communists today don't accept Julius is his plans, as it makes zero sense! To Nationalize everything is to steal it, you leave noone with nothing. People don't work for nothing, you should explain that to this idiot Malema. The Germans invented communism so it's pretty obvious Julius showing everyone how stupid he is to argue
The German Ambassador claims that he lived in a communist country 😂 Really? 🤣 He said he read all marxist and communist theories and principles. So if he read that he should have known that Germany was never a communist country and communism was never fully achieved. How can it be that one claims to have read all of it but yet fails to understand what communism really is? This is a popular argument used all around by capitalists that socialism and communism does not work because the USSR failed 🤦 😂
By the way the workers in China don't own and control the means of production. As long as money, capitalism, exploitation and class exists, it can't be called communism. If you really read and understand the principles and the vision or goal of communism then you will know this.
How difficult is it to understand? Germany was split into 2 after WW2, Eastern Germany, where the person (diplomat) grew up, was a Communist State affiliated to the USSR. East Germans were taught Communism in school and all the "Communists's" pictures were depicted at school....simmilar to the photos of South African President and the Minister and Deputy's Ministers photos being displayed in any Government Departments Office, Clinic etc.
@@jorgfilter2241 how difficult is it to understand that that does not mean Germany was actually a communist country? Communism has not been achieved...
Socialism with south Africa characteristics indeed nothing new, Malema need to be clear about those characteristics, because we can also characterize the National party as a government that was run half capitalism and have socialism which amount to a social welfare state. The problem with EFF Malema as a Leader he is reckless political and lack discipline, it takes a lot to be a discipline person, more over you must be examplary as a leader, his on record talking about supplying Russia with weapon he lack diplomacy, I just see a dictator in the making. What good can come from a product of ANC, goodness is the attribute of EFF. God save us from this man.
Goodness can never be the attribute of EFF, what really motivate EFF is to be in government is the good. Since he is a product of ANC, the are allegation of corruption in Limpopo about him let's not forget that. If he is motivated by good why he did not leave ANC voluntarily, He was force to to establish EFF because he is motivated by survival, we can see you motives Sir. We need leader who sincerely care about the needs of our country. We know what motivates you.
It might have not worked for you but what I certainly know for sure is that capitalism doesn't work here right now. What fails in Germany might work in South Africa and vice versa.
Lol go to Mozambique, Angola, they did the maxist leninist state, nationalised the land, all raw materials, expelled the whites. Go see what a heaven those countries are
There’s a difference between neo liberal capitalism, which has well documented problems with wealth and assest aggregation by the few at the expense of the many ( ie for profit wholly shareholder owned enterprises) because there is no worker owned component of this model. Workers must benefit as much as any other category of shareholder /owner from the increase in value of the enterprise, not just from salaries
China's success was attributed to their not having minimum wages or unions which attracted half of the factories in the USA to relocate to China, where there were suddenly plentiful jobs available, and the working population were able to learn trades and skills, until they were able on stand on their own feet, and salaries naturally rose with their skill levels. Unlike SA where there is now no foreign investment, and no job creation, thanks to violent workers and unacceptable union demands, and corrupt politicians like Malema who speaks with forked tongue. There is only one way for the SA economy to turn around. Copy the Chinese method of zero minimum wages and labour laws, and no unions. But that's enough for juju to chock on his own vomit.🤣
You don't havechhe German work ethic, discipline. You don't have the Chinese discipline, work ethic and levels of education and only one or two kids per family policy. It's funny that JM only mentioned China where socialism is successful. We are not Chinese, just because it has worked in China doesn't mean that it'll work in mzansi
Actually 99.999% of the time he is talking sh1t. His followers are poorly educated sheep looking to be led into a fairy tale pasture of evergreen delicious grass that just keeps on growing. He went to Venezuela, that was the wealthiest country in South America, to learn how it turned into the poorest country overnight. VIVA Hugo Chavez. Why don't you ask him why 2 million young girls from Venezuela are now working as street prostitutes in the countries surrounding Venezuela.
Good point about 2008 capitalism failed with the banking system from usa throughout the world and bailed out by governments like mine at the time labour taking over banks and nationalise them to save the investors money from wiping out peoples savings . Thank you Gordon brown much hated by the right . Not saying one system is the answer but certainly one system isn't for all.
As a German I hate the smug smile before he even starts his bullsh*t. What stops communism from working is American warfare and 'sanctions' against whoever they don't like. And the BRD and the united Germany had "soziale Marktwirtschaft" (social market) for decades. But, of course, the smug guy is smarter and more educated then everybody else. Germany still has parts of socialism even after dismantling and privatizing so much. And the funniest thing: the more socialism for workers gets taken away the more bailouts for the rich happen. So, Malema is perfectly right. ... I'd just emphasize that China's state capitalist way of implementing socialism is certainly not the only way. Unions, worker co-ops and workplace democratization are better ways of getting to the 'workers own the means of production' thing that Marx etc. talked about.
Actually, when you have a great idea that could be world changing in Germany, the system will tell you to form an association (Verein). Which means that the best of you can not come out if you dont make it a communial (communistic) affair. That decree broke my heart and my drive as a young man over 30 years ago as i was made to experience..
❤ African countries are taking good direction with these man malema on the wheels, Africa belong to the Africans we need to work together for our children's better future
Capitalism as I have experienced it in my 37 years, I am also as experienced as the German Ambassador to tell it him it doesn't work as well. Really good answer that it can contain that specific country's ideology of it
@@JCTVAfrica stop the cap! Capitalism is directly responsible for the global middle class growing exponentially, there's no other economic system that currently exists that comes close to producing the same results.
Respect Respect Mr..malami ...1000000..people with out passport with out work permanently ..over 15 years same like Seliver work .How can one Germany peros tell abut Democracy in the world..go out for my Home Land
Malema has never had a real job and he has never tested his theories in a town or village to spare his country a painful experiment. His expertise is in running his mouth and making his goals sound easy to achieve.
@@francoiswilliamsYour ignorance and idiocy is overwhelming. Why do you hate Malema so much?Steenhuisen and DA development and governance in the Cape is only limited to white and wealthy suburbs but you call that good governance . Eff has built houses,provides bursaries ,pay health bills, build/ renovate school/classrooms and has adopted old age homes/Children with disabilities outside governance means and structures. You call them doing nothing and useless!!You fools are compromised intellectually!!
Firstly China is not operated on socialism but it's a mixed economy; secondly to have market based economy doesn't necessarily mean zero government role at all; and finally capitalism is not perfect but better than both communism and socialism combined.
Julius malema intelligence seems like he is not really a South African. They way he is so informed most south Africans won't know what soviet union was lol but him he knows.
South African economic model will need to incorporate a significant element of what Germans call ‘financial equalisation’ or the British would term ‘levelling-up’ With a Gini coefficient score of 63, South Africa has the highest inequality in the world and need to get serious about addressing this. It is estimated that Germany has invested 2 trillion USD in the former East Germany to raise productivity from 60% of that of west Germany immediately after reunification to 85% today. The GDP per capita of East Germany now exceeds that of many cities in the north of England. So there is definitely something to be learnt from these Germans
You are constantly misusing the word. Socialism does not mean central planning and Communism does not mean Authoritarianism and Capitalism does not mean free markets. Socialism: Ban for ownership of economic capital Communism: Classless society from the end of accumulation of capitals Capitalism: Accumulation of capital Here in Scandinavia the worker's unions gave up revolution in exchange for the owners paying welfare taxes and making job contracts. Social democracy is not Socialism Reply
The world must understand what works, not ideology. Look at China, Singapore, today America, North Korea, just to quote a few examples. Ultimately it is the quality of leadership, the real of the people, by the people, and for the people. Not the corrupted leadership, not the leadership for the various interest groups, not the leadership for the business only. Forget about labels. Forget about ideology.
"In China they have socialism with Chinese characteristics", said he, but he failed to specify that the "Chinese characteristics" that make Chinese socialism work are precisely the capitalist characteristics of their economy. And this is a very important clarification.
The old fashion capitalism or rather genuine free enterprise is barely surviving in the contemporary Germany. "Just as left-wing anti-capitalists in Germany say they are committed to the “social market economy”, so right-wing anti-capitalists say they oppose capitalism but are not against the market economy. But their commitment to the market economy cannot be taken seriously, since the central features of the market economy, such as private ownership, are roundly rejected. As lip service, of course, both left-wing and right-wing anti-capitalists today often profess their support for private ownership. But - subscribing as they do to the “primacy of politics” - they want the state to set very narrow limits on ownership."
IN MODERATING NOT IN SATISFYING DESIRES LIES PEACE THE GREATEST FOOLS ARE THE GREATEST LIARS FOR MY OWNPART I JUDGE OF EVERY MAN,S TRUTH BY HIS DEGREE OF UNDERSTANDING
At what costs.? It is difficult to try and reason with a person when his ideology is his soul. In the case of esteemed ambassador it is hypothesis to be proven that empirically.. What Malema doesn't know how many people died. Everytime those Movements tried to implement those schemes. Those are God's people. I would listen to him if it was 1917 this is 2024.Does he know what happened in China in 1989.? Mao how many people did he kill? Africa is not a useful idiot of CCP.
Currently you have African Capitalism. Where 50% in the country is unemployed and the 10% taxpayers pay for their dole. Living expenses have gotten so high that more and more realise it is better to join the unemployed, as after taxes, school fees etc you have nothing. When you have no job the school fees of your kids are for free etc. Having said that in socialism everyone must work. The 50% of the population on dole will not want that. They would support the government taking everything and letting it fail and then receiving nothing at the end thereof. They will then leave for Europe.
Malema must be a non racist person first very honest truthful way ,not a make.believer either but genuine Godly character, then he'll be much more invincible, after that the country will fully trust him or else Malema will dream dreams and nothing will materialise, his words will land back like a boomerang at him😂 I know Julius Malema you can do it ,but please be true yourself and the country then trust God for your victories and see much change in Africa, just a thought, it's all up to you my friend, and another thing you will be hated for doing good things for your country that's nothing unusual worldwide,but you perservere bru and keep up the good work,don't waste your valuable time critising everyone in court ,why people thinks sometimes you are like a 🤡 in court no that has to stop and be more Serious with your position in parliament brother and may God bless you and help you Siya Bonga Thank You. No hard feelings just love.
Malema must be a non racist person first very honest truthful way ,not a make.believer either but genuine Godly character, then he'll be much more invincible, after that the country will fully trust him or else Malema will dream dreams and nothing will materialise, his words will land back like a boomerang at him😂 I know Julius Malema you can do it ,but please be true yourself and the country then trust God for your victories and see much change in Africa, just a thought, it's all up to you my friend, and another thing you will be hated for doing good things for your country that's nothing unusual worldwide,but you perservere bru and keep up the good work,don't waste your valuable time critising everyone in court ,why people thinks sometimes you are like a 🤡 in court no that has to stop and be more Serious with your position in parliament brother and may God bless you and help you Siya Bonga Thank You. No hard feelings just love.
Nobody destroyed anybody. This is a misleading title. Malema replied with reasonable arguments, trying to take the best out of all experiences, which is a good approach. So please stop with your loudly shouting, misleading titles!!!
Best answer. How could a German tell a black man that socialism doesn't work when the world's best country is socialist China? But in all fairness, has capitalist democracy worked in Europe, America and Africa? Look at Qatar, Kuwait, UAE, Oman, China, Saudi Arabia and gain inspiration
Its unfair to say communism doesn't work because all communists countries are heavily sanctioned by the West, imagine if Cuba and North Korea were not oppressed by western santions. People from those countries work very hard, well educated, but they are not fairly treated because they chose what works for themselves. Capitalism in South Africa is not working for the majority, after colonialism to apartheid to Capitalism, all 3 are just oppression to the poor. They bring deep poverty and inequality. Poor people in South Africa who have nothing will benefit from socialism. Its the wealthy who only care about Capitalism coz it suits them. Its a very selfish system
One more thing about Mr. Malema: Moral high ground is nothing you inherit by birth right. It is something that you earn through selfless struggle for justice, for freedom, for tolerance, for respect for others. In South Africa alone the list of people on 'moral high ground' is long: Nelson Mandela, Walter Sisulu, Oliver Thambo to name but a few. People that sacrificed their own personal interests for a larger community. Mr. Malema is not to be counted among those giants.
The German Ambassador was not ignored, he was thoroughly answered and schooled in the process. There is no such a thing as Capitalism in the modern world. Those advocating for Capitalism are like naughty kids that go on a risky adventure knowing well that should anything go wrong their parents will come to the rescue. They rely on the government to layout a safety net of public funds, yet if they are successful in their adventures they enjoy their spoils without remorse because many times they try to dodge tax.
But Julius will ignore it because he's a mere boy. He'll never be a good leader. Idi Amin, Mugabe and other badasses all embodied in one person - Malema.
We can ignore it because he's talking nonsense. One can get bad implementations of any idea. That doesn't mean those efforts cannot be improved upon, particularly with the benefit of knowledge acquired from experience. Obviously, they can be. That's how progress works. As Malema said, you take the good, discard the bad, and try other approaches to the same idea.
But Malema needs to grow and it is a risk to believe in you he is sharing experience then can you overcome the situation that should be the answer I guess
It’s not true or correct that the state always intervened when private capital fails. The failure rate for new businesses is very high (60-90%) and state does not intervene. The state intervenes eg with banks because the economic fall out affects a disproportionate number of people who are also voters. It might also have an implication on social safety net/ social spending. There are companies that are too big to fail & the domino effect can be economically and politically disastrous. The challenge is when the state is a player and referee in an industry. It’s a lose lose. There is no true capitalist country, they are mixed economies… the degree of mix varies. Countries like France and U.K. are approx 50/50
I know an old black MK Umkhonto Wesizwe man who was in Exile in communist Russia and got trained there , he started out as young boy in black township supporting communism and socialism but after he stayed in communist Russia he became disillusioned with it . An Economist Adam Smith was right when he said " The reason you find a bread 🍞🍞🍞🍞🍞 waiting for you in the morning it's not because the Baker is benovalent ,it's because the Baker has SELF-INTEREST".
That's what I hate about communism 😂
Nobody is advocating communism in SA . The communism you talk of is a long way off even the socialism being discussed here. Even the Chinese understand the limitations of communism.
Imbecile!! the baker has/had SELF INTEREST in baking otherwise that would have all died of starvation within months. It's natural that when the murderous thieving psychopaths accumulate massive amount of wealth, there will always be swarms of people attracted as the crumbs of death are distributed. The intent had a foundation, then it constantly evolves through improvement, education, and so on. Would you like to go back to the 1850's when children would go down mines, Was THAT communism? OR children working in mines in Niger for French cappies, is that communism.OR Indian children scrounging through mile high garbage tips, is that communism. Should send you lot and your kids down the mines to give you a dose of capitalism.
It still doesn't work
Africans love lies and failures,they idolize loosers why is that
Leaders are born and Malema is one of them
I would like to see how capitalist powers would have won the Cold War without having Africa and Latin America to exploit (and have soldiers from colonies die in place of their own, in WW2 I mean).
Another important factor is that the Cold War started after World War 2, and look at how much the USSR suffered from WW2 compared to USA or even France and UK.
In the USSR whole cities were ruined, millions of civilians were either killed or displaced, land was burned and bombed out, genocide was committed by Nazi Germany in the USSR, Poland and in Yugoslavia. Meanwhile USA's mainland was completely untouched by the war, this puts USA in a big advantage.
China suffered a similar amount of damage to the USSR from Japanese occupation and then civil war.
Yet despite all these disadvantages the USSR still managed to rival the Western Block, rebuild, put the first man in space, and even help African and Asian national liberation movements fight for independence. Once you take in all the numerous factors and contemporary conditions you see that it was never a fair fight.
Capitalism will not work in Africa because Africans don't have a third party they would go and exploit, in contrast, Africans end up the exploited party by the global capitalist centers of power (who will then go on to claim "Look how good capitalism is!") or by other Africans who make up a very small select cast of the society.
I love the analysis
a balanced analysis
@@JCTVAfrica people forget that USSR helped Europe to defeat Adolf and as a result it suffered immensely . When the war ended Europe was pummelled beyond repair by Adolf. USA being rulled by European Americans felt duty bound to help by pumping in billions of usd into Europe (Marshall plan ) leaving out the USSR that had helped liberate Europe from Adolf. Truth must be told .
The western neoliberal capitalist model will not work. The Chinese understood that since Deng xiaoping. African need and home- grown form of capitalism that works their people at large, and not just their elites and their politically connected, which is what they have currently.
You have a point.
UNITED STATES OF AFRICA, on move 💪💪
With gaddafi dead? Really
Yeah no
All European countries have social care systems. 😮
we r talking about total system
But they don't have Communist systems cause they saw first hand all the shit that comes along with that. This child Julius, who's born yesterday now thinks he has the magic well with all the answers to solve the missing pieces in Communism. As if all those great thinkers ahead of him were somehow all at fault and only bra Julius can solve it. He is totally misguided and merely seeking attention. Best part is - he is not even a communist. He was thrown out of a meeting of the YCL. Julius is a chancer
Not really. Every country has social aspects. It's not because socialism is great, but rather because the Government is obligated to effect change with our taxes. 😊
All western Europeans are capitalists
There is no ideology that is watertight, the discussion is that,no one glove fits all.
We are Not Germans ..We South Africans 💯
The fathers of Communism that Malema espouses are German philosophers and political theorists ie Karl Marx & Friedrich Engels. This exceptionalism that Malema is trying to preach is a false doctrine & misguided.
Name one country where socialism does not end in starvation them they accept capitalism the hard way
@@mikolowiskamikolowiska4993China
@@mikolowiskamikolowiska4993 East Germany actually had a higher standard of living for the general population than many capitalist countries, including Apartheid South Africa. It didn't have the extreme forms of wealth that a tiny minority of South Africans enjoyed, but in the broad population and the bottom of the society no East German ever lived in such precarious conditions as the majority of South Africans were subjected to. That's a fact!
East Germany resembled social democratic countries like Denmark, Sweden or the Netherlands in that regard, while Apartheid South Africa had more in common with countries like Brazil, Columbia or Honduras, where you have a minority of the population enjoying extraordinary wealth, while most of the population live in abject poverty without access to basic services and amenities.
So does that give us an exception?
Malema always communicates his point well. I don't know why people keep thinking they are going to school him on anything. He is operating from a morally higher ground because of what was done to Africa, and he speaks only his truth. You can NOT argue with someone speaking their truth. He also has historical fact on his side. So, when you say something, you really need to be sure it is factually correct. Good luck Julius. I really want to see how successful you can be. The world is so scared of Africa trying something different. Being independent. All I can say is if the West or Europe are against it... do THAT thing.
Truth is exclusive.
There is no "his truth" or "My truth" or "your truth". Truth is one.
Malema is deceived.
Socialism has a record of failure that only a politician like Malema would ignore. No nation, none, that has tried socialism has ended up in a better place.
Socialism always fails when it runs out of other people's money to dish out.
China saw its brand of socialism failing and that is why it opened up it's economy to American capitalism to manufacture stuff for America and Europe.
Cuba is a failure.
Tanzania is a failure.
The Soviet Union was a failure.
And Malema will fail totally
Communism isn't new or different... Africa wants everything for nothing! Southern Africa is a prime example of this. If Africa really wanted to do something different it would not be flooding everyone's borders. If Africa really wanted to be something it would not be dependent on whites, if Africa wanted to do good it would of long ago stopped begging everyone and reunited.
Sadly Africa does none of these things, and if you had 2 brain cells they would tell you that Julius is schooling noone. Communism is known to have failed and all forms of it have been tried. It's only Africa that still thinks it can work, sadly Julius here is being made an idiot but again Africa doesn't understand it. Why would you
He has my vote 2024! He is a strong, intelligent and fearless leader
What nonsense. China is NOT a free state. Chinese people are not free. China is built on a bubble, BASED on the Capitalistic World - it's economy is built on free world technology and principles, yet it's people are not free. Dictated to, restricted.
Cuba is a TOTAL failure; worse than even South Africa, now. Most, if not all, are unemployed, there is limited food, hospital supplies etc. People are suffering, farms do not operate, if they do they use oxen not machinery - unaffordable; people are fleeing. What nonesense.
And socialism has ALREADY FAILED WHEREVER IT HAS BEEN IMPLEMENTED IN AFRICA - ALREADY. Because of human nature of Greed. Most prevalent in yet undeveloped States. - which is most, of Africa - it's form in South Africa has already DEPLETED and destroyed South Africa, ON EVERY LEVEL. With an unsustainable social system taking from those that create and giving to those that simply consume - through no fault of their own. But the failed Government. Malema and EFF have NO proven experience of delivering. Of producing. Of managing ANY economy. NOT EVEN A MUNICIPALITY. The only proof is what they have destroyed, themselves consumed. AND NOW TO SCHOOL ONE OF THE MOST SUCCESSFUL ECONOMIES EVER - GERMANY - FROM TOTAL DESTRUCTION TO TOP 5; AND THE FAILED EASTERN GERMANY? WHO KNOW FIRST HAND.
THIS IS HOW ARROGANT AFRICA IS - THEY WERE HANDED ONE OF THE MOST ADVANCED ECONOMIES ANDINDUSTRIES IN THE WORLD IN 1994 IN SOUTH AFRICA; NEVER BEFORE HAPPENED ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD. AND IN THIRTY YEARS, THEY DESTROYED WHAT WAS BUILT - BY AND LARGE IN 40 YEARS - FROM 1950 to 1994.
Singapore and South Korea, in 30 years. were built from NOTHING, NO NATURAL RESOURCES - FAILED STATES - TO GLOBAL POWERHOUSES - ON CAPITALISM - AND SOUTH AFRICA?.
But dream on, believe a man who has never,ever had a job, created anything, lives a life of Riley, in mansions, send his kidss to private school - yet 'schools' those who know. And Mzansi Burns. Stupid is as Stupid does.
@@MsOrganique🙄 who are you fooling?
CIC is surrounded by educated team of researchers
There is theory and there is what is happening on the ground
@@jonasmatsea6325 what is happening on the ground?
Capitalism is happening on the ground and it's better what Malema wants to give to South Africans
His surrounded by corrupt people trying to get their snouts into the feeding trough.
China's success was attributed to their not having minimum wages or unions which attracted half of the factories in the USA to relocate to China, where there were suddenly plentiful jobs available, and the working population were able to learn trades and skills, until they were able on stand on their own feet, and salaries naturally rose with their skill levels. Unlike SA where there is now no foreign investment, and no job creation, thanks to violent workers and unacceptable union demands, and corrupt politicians like Malema who speaks with forked tongue.
There is only one way for the SA economy to turn around. Copy the Chinese method of zero minimum wages and labour laws, and no unions. But that's enough for juju to chock on his own vomit.🤣
People should read the manifestos and policy documents before they embarrass themselves on public platforms, the EFF has never advocated for " Mao zedong" style socialism/communism, the best explanation is what Malema just gave, " socialism with South African characteristics" . If you want to know what that is, you should go look up the policy documents.
Why is Germany so scared of Socialism that does not concern them? even learned African languages an attempt to convince us otherwise
exactly
They are scared because its only with capitalism that they can exploit both humans and their natural resources that's why
The ambassador never claimed that EFF is following the ideology of Mao Zedong. In fact, he was sharing his own East German experience, which had nothing to do with Mao Zedong, but with the USSR-aligned SED Party of East Germany, which followed Marxism-Leninism of the Soviet kind, not Maoism.
In fact it is Malema who brought up China as a role-model for "Socialism", failing to understand that China's rise to economic success actually started once the CCP abandonned Maoism and embraced a free market economy!
Germany is not "scared" of Socialism, in fact Germany is a semi-socialist nations that spends a huge percentage of it's GDP on public health care, free education and welfare. It's just that East Germans in particular experienced a socialist form of governance for four decades, hence they have an understanding of the reality in a state that is organised along those principles.
If you want to learn first hand about life in East Germany, you can maybe ask someone in your extended family, who has stayed in East Germany during those times? East Germany hosted many of the ANC cadres and students of the 1976 generation, who went into exile. Maybe one of your relatives was among them and can tell you!
Coming from the German ambassador it is rich experience....he lived through it in the old GDR...it must be noted that Angela Merkel (arguably THE TOP LEADER off Germany from last 70 years ) was a product of socialist educational system...life's contradictions
@@esahm373China doesn't have a free market, that term doesn't make sense. It's a managed system like any other run at a broad level by the party. Contrast with a centrally planned system in the west run by plutocrats
How old was the "German Ambassador" when he had his " first hand view" of their Socialist System . When it collapsed ,he was barely 20 years old. Damn Andreas, do you think someone is interested in your premature "first hand experience" as a toddler & teenager in the GDR?
But you have received your deserved answer by an African politician.
Good comment. He looks way too young to have experienced anything very much of the GDR system. And it's merely arrogant, particularly in such company, for him to suggest otherwise.
He is ambassador because in the GDR he received 3 nutritious meals, a roof over his head and a solid education. If he grew up in the West, he would likely be on his knees serving another man or cross dressing as a woman or already dead because he spent his youth drinking too much, going to raves and doing too much recreational drugs.
Both China and Cuba have mixed market drivers (communism, modified socialist and capitalist) economies. It's practically impossible in modern day global market garden to have strictly one type of economy whether capitalist, socialist, or communist. Most states aim at minimizing communism as much as possible, bt have a little bit of each in some way
A professor in Cuba can't afford a car ask south African kids who studied in Cuba . They r government slaves for life it's serfdom by governments
@@lebohangsibongilemotsumi7733True bro
@@lebohangsibongilemotsumi7733 nobody is advovovating turning into the next Cuba. SA needs a bespoke economic model for itself. We have a different history, demographics, and wealth distribution to Cuba, so Malema is right, the economic model will need to be tailored to South Africa
@@lebohangsibongilemotsumi7733 cuba have been sanctioned since the late 60 by the US how do u expect their currency to grow?look at Zimbabwe and its not even 30 on sanctioned
@@lebohangsibongilemotsumi7733How is the Cuban system linked to Socialism with South African characteristics??Please listen in context to understand!!
We don't need no more colonist European one Africa
Malema is well-learned. Capitalism is not a truthful solution, it is selfish and a few benefit from it.
Yeah it does not benefit the general public
It goes deeper than that. Why doesn't the general public fail to benefit, how much does the majority contribute. You see, when economy is changed from capitalist to socialist or socio-communist the constitution changes quite vigorously and aggressively. The bill of rights changes too. The Law that governs the land changes and some of the changes will sting on most people hyping socialism. It's not a small job!
@knowledgetaonezvi6805 very true.there won't be incentives for work..
He is badly educated. China is capitalist. They're li, ẹ transgender calling themselves communist. They are not
China's success was attributed to their not having minimum wages or unions which attracted half of the factories in the USA to relocate to China, where there were suddenly plentiful jobs available, and the working population were able to learn trades and skills, until they were able on stand on their own feet, and salaries naturally rose with their skill levels. Unlike SA where there is now no foreign investment, and no job creation, thanks to violent workers and unacceptable union demands, and corrupt politicians like Malema who speaks with forked tongue.
There is only one way for the SA economy to turn around. Copy the Chinese method of zero minimum wages and labour laws, and no unions. But that's enough for juju to chock on his own vomit.🤣
“Capitalism is inherently successful for the top 2%”. There, I said it.
Thats true its only for a few elites
This is literally the opposite of the truth of the matter!! It is socialism that benefits the few where capitalism benefits the competent!
for that reason, it MUST continue, as it creates a cage for the 98%...and WHATS NOT TO LIKE. Of course, a perfect economic model, which I have never seen in my LIFE, is more "public/members/people" orientated, but also needs focus, and leadership, or it will get LAZY and WASTEFUL and self-defeating. elbow grease by all that can for all that need it, helping those that truly need help too.
The same goes for socialism and communism. The elite like Putin and his oligargs(the few that haven't died misteriously) are living in the uptmost lucxury whilst the masses are living in poverty. Same evil just a different name.
@@danielschauffer8216so tell me the story of China
I think there is nothing like pure capitalism and pure socialism.
We are living in a complicated society today. So whatever works let it be used to raise people from poverty.
So basically both Socialism and Capitalism need one another. Nothing new under the sun.
All three needs to co exist because we are human
what is capitaism? South Africa has been under nationa sociaism since the nationa ( sociaism) party.
Yeah. Capitalism creates wealth, socialism scatters it all.
Capitalism lifts people out of poverty.
Socialism spreads poverty.
There is no place on this planet where socialism has been tried and worked. Nowhere. It has always ended up in misery and poverty
No we abandoned national socialism when apartheid fell under John Vorster in the 70s, the NP after that was a transition away from it lead by the DP of Cape Town,this was capitalism. Black Nationalism is communism just like what Chris Hani and your strugglewarts were and are today! There's no black political movement that's not communist, never has there been.
The ANC NDP is a push towards socialism at all costs it's called transformation. This is why noone likes black people, because everything you touch breaks, and the more people tell you not to do something the less you listen. It's not as if you have done anything worth trying as the world has moved on but Africa once again cannot evolve.
The biggest communists today don't accept Julius is his plans, as it makes zero sense! To Nationalize everything is to steal it, you leave noone with nothing. People don't work for nothing, you should explain that to this idiot Malema. The Germans invented communism so it's pretty obvious Julius showing everyone how stupid he is to argue
The German Ambassador claims that he lived in a communist country 😂 Really? 🤣
He said he read all marxist and communist theories and principles. So if he read that he should have known that Germany was never a communist country and communism was never fully achieved. How can it be that one claims to have read all of it but yet fails to understand what communism really is?
This is a popular argument used all around by capitalists that socialism and communism does not work because the USSR failed 🤦 😂
By the way the workers in China don't own and control the means of production. As long as money, capitalism, exploitation and class exists, it can't be called communism.
If you really read and understand the principles and the vision or goal of communism then you will know this.
How difficult is it to understand? Germany was split into 2 after WW2, Eastern Germany, where the person (diplomat) grew up, was a Communist State affiliated to the USSR. East Germans were taught Communism in school and all the "Communists's" pictures were depicted at school....simmilar to the photos of South African President and the Minister and Deputy's Ministers photos being displayed in any Government Departments Office, Clinic etc.
@@jorgfilter2241 how difficult is it to understand that that does not mean Germany was actually a communist country? Communism has not been achieved...
South Africa is not China either.
Yes but we can learn from China then failing Germany
Well said. Sounds like you have brains at least.
Socialism with south Africa characteristics indeed nothing new, Malema need to be clear about those characteristics, because we can also characterize the National party as a government that was run half capitalism and have socialism which amount to a social welfare state. The problem with EFF Malema as a Leader he is reckless political and lack discipline, it takes a lot to be a discipline person, more over you must be examplary as a leader, his on record talking about supplying Russia with weapon he lack diplomacy, I just see a dictator in the making. What good can come from a product of ANC, goodness is the attribute of EFF. God save us from this man.
Goodness can never be the attribute of EFF, what really motivate EFF is to be in government is the good. Since he is a product of ANC, the are allegation of corruption in Limpopo about him let's not forget that. If he is motivated by good why he did not leave ANC voluntarily, He was force to to establish EFF because he is motivated by survival, we can see you motives Sir. We need leader who sincerely care about the needs of our country. We know what motivates you.
Malema is Fidel Castro in the making. He advocates socialism/communism because those systems only enrich greedy politicians and dictators.
Julius is an intellectual guys 😂😂
❤❤❤❤Can u edit that into CAPITAL LETTERS
😂 Not
Like hell he is.
Intellectual compared to a 3 year old? Maybe, but not even necessarily then.
I salute MALEMA ,HE IS ALWAYS OPEN TO WHAT EVER DISCUSSION, HE WONT LEAVE YOU WITH QUESTIONS BUT GOOD ANSWERS.
It might have not worked for you but what I certainly know for sure is that capitalism doesn't work here right now. What fails in Germany might work in South Africa and vice versa.
Lol go to Mozambique, Angola, they did the maxist leninist state, nationalised the land, all raw materials, expelled the whites. Go see what a heaven those countries are
There’s a difference between neo liberal capitalism, which has well documented problems with wealth and assest aggregation by the few at the expense of the many ( ie for profit wholly shareholder owned enterprises) because there is no worker owned component of this model. Workers must benefit as much as any other category of shareholder /owner from the increase in value of the enterprise, not just from salaries
China's success was attributed to their not having minimum wages or unions which attracted half of the factories in the USA to relocate to China, where there were suddenly plentiful jobs available, and the working population were able to learn trades and skills, until they were able on stand on their own feet, and salaries naturally rose with their skill levels. Unlike SA where there is now no foreign investment, and no job creation, thanks to violent workers and unacceptable union demands, and corrupt politicians like Malema who speaks with forked tongue.
There is only one way for the SA economy to turn around. Copy the Chinese method of zero minimum wages and labour laws, and no unions. But that's enough for juju to chock on his own vomit.🤣
You don't havechhe German work ethic, discipline. You don't have the Chinese discipline, work ethic and levels of education and only one or two kids per family policy. It's funny that JM only mentioned China where socialism is successful. We are not Chinese, just because it has worked in China doesn't mean that it'll work in mzansi
Works where you !? England and USA with druggies and criminals controlling streets !? What the hell are you on about you blind bat ?
😊I could listen to Mr Malema all day
Fabulous. He decimated the German’s arguments.
Malema's intelligence is on another level.
Don't argue with him if you don't know your facts
Actually 99.999% of the time he is talking sh1t. His followers are poorly educated sheep looking to be led into a fairy tale pasture of evergreen delicious grass that just keeps on growing. He went to Venezuela, that was the wealthiest country in South America, to learn how it turned into the poorest country overnight. VIVA Hugo Chavez. Why don't you ask him why 2 million young girls from Venezuela are now working as street prostitutes in the countries surrounding Venezuela.
Good point about 2008 capitalism failed with the banking system from usa throughout the world and bailed out by governments like mine at the time labour taking over banks and nationalise them to save the investors money from wiping out peoples savings . Thank you Gordon brown much hated by the right . Not saying one system is the answer but certainly one system isn't for all.
what intelligence????? did someone say malema has intelligence.....hahaha
He knows f all facts,you all follow him like sheep
@@fabiofundaro2331
Haters everywhere 😂 he is intelligent than your entire generation.
Honey in my German ears
POWERFUL RESPONSE FROM MALEMA
As a German I hate the smug smile before he even starts his bullsh*t. What stops communism from working is American warfare and 'sanctions' against whoever they don't like. And the BRD and the united Germany had "soziale Marktwirtschaft" (social market) for decades. But, of course, the smug guy is smarter and more educated then everybody else. Germany still has parts of socialism even after dismantling and privatizing so much. And the funniest thing: the more socialism for workers gets taken away the more bailouts for the rich happen. So, Malema is perfectly right. ... I'd just emphasize that China's state capitalist way of implementing socialism is certainly not the only way. Unions, worker co-ops and workplace democratization are better ways of getting to the 'workers own the means of production' thing that Marx etc. talked about.
I think socialism works but it needs one to be smart as well
Actually, when you have a great idea that could be world changing in Germany, the system will tell you to form an association (Verein). Which means that the best of you can not come out if you dont make it a communial (communistic) affair. That decree broke my heart and my drive as a young man over 30 years ago as i was made to experience..
❤ African countries are taking good direction with these man malema on the wheels, Africa belong to the Africans we need to work together for our children's better future
I don't
Why ? You are destroying it.
@@neeltjebooysen2688 Malema cannot run a toilet
No white shit is an African,, migration brings you here, and exploitation and sex tourism is your main aims for Africa,
@@francoiswilliamsI wouldn’t be surprised 🫠
Do whatever you want but at your place and with your own money.
Socialism is ok as long as it's for the rich ask American citizens
Oh I see
Capitalism as I have experienced it in my 37 years, I am also as experienced as the German Ambassador to tell it him it doesn't work as well. Really good answer that it can contain that specific country's ideology of it
It only benefits a few people
@@JCTVAfrica stop the cap! Capitalism is directly responsible for the global middle class growing exponentially, there's no other economic system that currently exists that comes close to producing the same results.
So why as Malema has said do socialist always come in when capital is in trouble?
What doesn't work about it?
@@JCTVAfrica it benefits majority
exactly 👍
Stupid answer by Malema and as old as Communism has failed around the world "It wasn't tried by the right people..." Yawn.....
Oh explain stupid
Very clever man
Very clever
Which one? Both these guys are idiots, maybe clever compared to a loaf of bread
if u think ur free in ds sold democracy of urz ur living a lie
Respect Respect Mr..malami ...1000000..people with out passport with out work permanently ..over 15 years same like Seliver work .How can one Germany peros tell abut Democracy in the world..go out for my Home Land
This guy knows what he is talking about. Good on him.
The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money.
Margaret Thatcher
For South Africa, I prefer semi socialist semi capitalism system, not full blown socialism.
Thats what it is currently. Mixed economy
Juliasss champion of the desperate and illiterate
He was just sharing what he experienced, This is South Africa not Germany.
Malema is a total fool, Botha should have locked him in childhood
But the political concept is the same. Nevermind in which continent?
I would still take capitalism a billion times over the best form of communism/socialism anywhere.
That's why the Chinese are literally overtaking all the Western countries.
Great Mr Malema. 100%
The ambassador forgot those people in the room had first hand experience of colonialism and capitalist suppressor's
Supressors? Malema? Since when? When (and when) was he born? How much political "suppression" did HE experience?
Once bitten twice shy
It is good to see a German learning how to speak African indigenous language Zulu
Our main stream media always ask questions like the guy thinking that they can destroy Malema but they are failing we are not Germany
Malema has never had a real job and he has never tested his theories in a town or village to spare his country a painful experiment. His expertise is in running his mouth and making his goals sound easy to achieve.
Exactly, a big mouth
Did you say the same about Mandela and De Clerk useless fool!!
@@francoiswilliamsYour ignorance and idiocy is overwhelming. Why do you hate Malema so much?Steenhuisen and DA development and governance in the Cape is only limited to white and wealthy suburbs but you call that good governance .
Eff has built houses,provides bursaries ,pay health bills, build/ renovate school/classrooms and has adopted old age homes/Children with disabilities outside governance means and structures. You call them doing nothing and useless!!You fools are compromised intellectually!!
Really?
All this channels are using same word,,, Destroy, destroy,destroy,destroy 🙄🙄🙄🙄 can't you be a little creative????
They do it to create this hype so you and can watch their videos thinking we will find something interesting. It is disgusting to say the least.
@@sakhisizwesonkomo9280 it is very annoying.
Will improve 🙏
Don't watch the channel, makes sense right????
In a short time you will fall…. It’s written on the walls
Bricks is coming America and Europe is falling!!
Firstly China is not operated on socialism but it's a mixed economy; secondly to have market based economy doesn't necessarily mean zero government role at all; and finally capitalism is not perfect but better than both communism and socialism combined.
Julius malema intelligence seems like he is not really a South African. They way he is so informed most south Africans won't know what soviet union was lol but him he knows.
South African economic model will need to incorporate a significant element of what Germans call ‘financial equalisation’ or the British would term ‘levelling-up’ With a Gini coefficient score of 63, South Africa has the highest inequality in the world and need to get serious about addressing this. It is estimated that Germany has invested 2 trillion USD in the former East Germany to raise productivity from 60% of that of west Germany immediately after reunification to 85% today. The GDP per capita of East Germany now exceeds that of many cities in the north of England. So there is definitely something to be learnt from these Germans
Exactly, but you might be wasting your breath, people will see what they want to see, no matter what
what is social market economy, is that like communism..........social democracy......why not just economy ...or just democracy.
You are constantly misusing the word. Socialism does not mean central planning and Communism does not mean Authoritarianism and Capitalism does not mean free markets.
Socialism: Ban for ownership of economic capital
Communism: Classless society from the end of accumulation of capitals
Capitalism: Accumulation of capital
Here in Scandinavia the worker's unions gave up revolution in exchange for the owners paying welfare taxes and making job contracts. Social democracy is not Socialism
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Malema cant even run a booze up in a tavern let allone a country
The world must understand what works, not ideology. Look at China, Singapore, today America, North Korea, just to quote a few examples. Ultimately it is the quality of leadership, the real of the people, by the people, and for the people. Not the corrupted leadership, not the leadership for the various interest groups, not the leadership for the business only. Forget about labels. Forget about ideology.
"In China they have socialism with Chinese characteristics", said he, but he failed to specify that the "Chinese characteristics" that make Chinese socialism work are precisely the capitalist characteristics of their economy. And this is a very important clarification.
Counties need both
The old fashion capitalism or rather genuine free enterprise is barely surviving in the contemporary Germany. "Just as left-wing anti-capitalists in Germany say they are committed to the “social market economy”, so right-wing anti-capitalists say they oppose capitalism but are not against the market economy. But their commitment to the market economy cannot be taken seriously, since the central features of the market economy, such as private ownership, are roundly rejected. As lip service, of course, both left-wing and right-wing anti-capitalists today often profess their support for private ownership. But - subscribing as they do to the “primacy of politics” - they want the state to set very narrow limits on ownership."
IN MODERATING NOT IN SATISFYING DESIRES LIES PEACE THE GREATEST FOOLS ARE THE GREATEST LIARS FOR MY OWNPART I JUDGE OF EVERY MAN,S TRUTH BY HIS DEGREE OF UNDERSTANDING
At what costs.? It is difficult to try and reason with a person when his ideology is his soul. In the case of esteemed ambassador it is hypothesis to be proven that empirically.. What Malema doesn't know how many people died. Everytime those Movements tried to implement those schemes. Those are God's people. I would listen to him if it was 1917 this is 2024.Does he know what happened in China in 1989.? Mao how many people did he kill? Africa is not a useful idiot of CCP.
What further interests is that Juju appears to know he is South African.
Which he is apparently not...
Why do you say that Malema destroys German Ambassador. The Ambassador is talking about his lived experience , not "text book xperience "
South Africa is so successful since the ANC came to power
Currently you have African Capitalism. Where 50% in the country is unemployed and the 10% taxpayers pay for their dole. Living expenses have gotten so high that more and more realise it is better to join the unemployed, as after taxes, school fees etc you have nothing. When you have no job the school fees of your kids are for free etc. Having said that in socialism everyone must work. The 50% of the population on dole will not want that. They would support the government taking everything and letting it fail and then receiving nothing at the end thereof. They will then leave for Europe.
Malema must be a non racist person first very honest truthful way ,not
a make.believer either but genuine Godly character, then he'll be much more invincible,
after that the country will fully trust him or else
Malema will dream dreams and nothing will materialise, his words will land back like a boomerang at him😂
I know Julius Malema
you can do it ,but please
be true yourself and the
country then trust God for your victories and see much change in Africa, just a thought, it's
all up to you my friend,
and another thing you will be hated for doing good things for your country
that's nothing unusual
worldwide,but you perservere bru and keep
up the good work,don't
waste your valuable time critising everyone
in court ,why people thinks sometimes you are like a 🤡 in court no that has to stop and be more
Serious with your position in parliament
brother and may God bless you and help you
Siya Bonga Thank You.
No hard feelings just love.
Malema must be a non racist person first very honest truthful way ,not
a make.believer either but genuine Godly character, then he'll be much more invincible,
after that the country will fully trust him or else
Malema will dream dreams and nothing will materialise, his words will land back like a boomerang at him😂
I know Julius Malema
you can do it ,but please
be true yourself and the
country then trust God for your victories and see much change in Africa, just a thought, it's
all up to you my friend,
and another thing you will be hated for doing good things for your country
that's nothing unusual
worldwide,but you perservere bru and keep
up the good work,don't
waste your valuable time critising everyone
in court ,why people thinks sometimes you are like a 🤡 in court no that has to stop and be more
Serious with your position in parliament
brother and may God bless you and help you
Siya Bonga Thank You.
No hard feelings just love.
Nobody destroyed anybody. This is a misleading title. Malema replied with reasonable arguments, trying to take the best out of all experiences, which is a good approach. So please stop with your loudly shouting, misleading titles!!!
yes Julius is such a great leader that he got 9% of the vote. He is an ignoramus. ANC/DA/IFP will keep him in his place.
Best answer. How could a German tell a black man that socialism doesn't work when the world's best country is socialist China?
But in all fairness, has capitalist democracy worked in Europe, America and Africa? Look at Qatar, Kuwait, UAE, Oman, China, Saudi Arabia and gain inspiration
China is not socialist, its hyper capitalist
Didn't know south Africa was a specialist country - if so there is no free medicine, no free housing, no free education - What's he on about?
Its unfair to say communism doesn't work because all communists countries are heavily sanctioned by the West, imagine if Cuba and North Korea were not oppressed by western santions. People from those countries work very hard, well educated, but they are not fairly treated because they chose what works for themselves. Capitalism in South Africa is not working for the majority, after colonialism to apartheid to Capitalism, all 3 are just oppression to the poor. They bring deep poverty and inequality. Poor people in South Africa who have nothing will benefit from socialism. Its the wealthy who only care about Capitalism coz it suits them. Its a very selfish system
Destroy in what way? He couldn't destroy a stroois ..
Chest pains
Malema wants to do dangerous experiment by SA and it has failed he will flip flop and do a blame game as usual
@j9nasmatsea :- Mr Malema's reply was excellent . His bringing in of China in the equation was top notch . This man is brilliant !!
One more thing about Mr. Malema: Moral high ground is nothing you inherit by birth right. It is something that you earn through selfless struggle for justice, for freedom, for tolerance, for respect for others. In South Africa alone the list of people on 'moral high ground' is long: Nelson Mandela, Walter Sisulu, Oliver Thambo to name but a few. People that sacrificed their own personal interests for a larger community. Mr. Malema is not to be counted among those giants.
I beg to differ of course now the struggle is different but his fight for black people is evident and clear
I agree. He was and is never going to be reckoned with such "selfless" leaders. He is a self-centred egoistic person. @@JCTVAfrica
But China is a capitalist state. They pronounce socialism, yet implemented capitalist principles.
Oh damn!✊🏽
Socialism did contribute something to German's success
The German one is really stupid, because Michael Hudson says something else about Marx.
So why is South Africa a failed State. Daily blackouts, high crime rate?
Which of the western countries started off as a democratic country? Countries evolve to whatever form of government that suits them.
But what a German has just said is not something we can ignore
The German Ambassador was not ignored, he was thoroughly answered and schooled in the process. There is no such a thing as Capitalism in the modern world. Those advocating for Capitalism are like naughty kids that go on a risky adventure knowing well that should anything go wrong their parents will come to the rescue. They rely on the government to layout a safety net of public funds, yet if they are successful in their adventures they enjoy their spoils without remorse because many times they try to dodge tax.
100%
But Julius will ignore it because he's a mere boy. He'll never be a good leader. Idi Amin, Mugabe and other badasses all embodied in one person - Malema.
We can ignore it because he's talking nonsense. One can get bad implementations of any idea. That doesn't mean those efforts cannot be improved upon, particularly with the benefit of knowledge acquired from experience. Obviously, they can be. That's how progress works. As Malema said, you take the good, discard the bad, and try other approaches to the same idea.
I ignore it.
But Malema needs to grow and it is a risk to believe in you he is sharing experience then can you overcome the situation that should be the answer I guess
I belive it works in china becouse china is not democratic.in sa with demicracy it may likely fail
Julias is certainly very intelligent but definitely not always right.
Julius just doesn't get it .
No foresight what so ever.🆘
But he doesn't say that capitalism is even worst. Doesn't he have eyes to see that?
Instead of isms, try common sense. And listening to the conscience. Rastafari!
Malema is cerebral personified...
Yes, my beloved South Africa: go Malema and go socialism!!!
And see what happens! 😂
It’s not true or correct that the state always intervened when private capital fails. The failure rate for new businesses is very high (60-90%) and state does not intervene.
The state intervenes eg with banks because the economic fall out affects a disproportionate number of people who are also voters. It might also have an implication on social safety net/ social spending. There are companies that are too big to fail & the domino effect can be economically and politically disastrous.
The challenge is when the state is a player and referee in an industry. It’s a lose lose. There is no true capitalist country, they are mixed economies… the degree of mix varies. Countries like France and U.K. are approx 50/50
oh so you can agree that pure Capitalism is not viable?
Who is this ambassador and where is Germany one more time?
Juju I am always here to what you are saying brother
ASK CHINESE HOW THEY LIVE! IF THEY LIKE SOCIALISM
I dont see any destroying each other
…east Germany depended(s) a great deal on West Germany.
Thank you Malema