All Main Sonic Games Debate w/ TWIP & Premydaremy - Part 1
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- Опубліковано 10 тра 2020
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Premy's Non-Sonic Channel: / premulous
TWIP: / @twip98
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This video is VERY different from what we usually do on this channel. Usually I do very civilized discussions with people. But I decided its been awhile since I had a good debate. I hope you guys enjoy the pure craziness of this discussion. Yes... we do yell a lot... but that’s kind of the fun part 🙃 so please leave respectful comments, everyone has different opinions, even if some of those opinions may seem extreme. That is what makes this fan base so great! We have so many different fans of so many different things within Sonic that makes it always interesting to discuss.
Part 2 coming soon!
My brother was like "why are three grown men arguing about a blue hedgehog?" 😂😂
PART 2 NOW
Spidey fan Because they’d all seen him do a whole bunch of tricks and would each rather he do their OWN bunch of tricks. Either way, he is quite the curious creature.
@@CarbonRollerCaco yep
I love videos like this. Please make more.
I love these boys but this made me want to throw my phone. I am stress pacing listening to some of these opinions.
Hey man!!l
HEY SPIDER-MAN! DO A FLIP!
Heya Deya!
AGREEEEED!!!
Game Apologist why you aren’t in Sam’s podcast
Straight away the arguments begin LMAO
Right when someone mentioned CD
Everybody gangster till Prem and Twip start talking about sonic games.
Edit: This comment was not clever at all why does it have this many likes...
Er-body gangsta until someone trash talks Sonic CD
True tho😂
it was bound to happen.
They have the most controversial opinions on every single sonic games
21:32 "OOOOOOOOOKAY TWIP, LET'S JUST TALK ABOUT THAT REAL QUICK"
LMAO THIS WAS HILARIOUS
The way Sam was talking about Gamma's story so passionately and everyone was quiet lol. I feel you Sam, that's such a good part of the game.
Gamma's gameplay is clunky. But his storyline is actually one of the best arcs in any sonic media
@@thesamuraispirit7686 Significantly less clunky than the mech stages in SA2 though.
The only real big problem with Gamma's story though is that it has nothing to do with what's going on with Chaos, so it feels out of place.
Premy's one of the most entertaining people that covers Sonic, just because of how unapologetically he carries his takes. Even though I don't agree with them half the time, I can usually understand where he's coming from and he presents it in a way that's really fun to listen to. Shout out to him.
same bro
love ur videos bro! had no idea u were a fan of sonic!
The entire video was just TWIP and Premy screaming at each other.
I feel like Premy is that one older sibling that starts shiz lol
I am commenting this before hearing the rest of the argument, but I felt the need to go ahead and comment. The comment of Twip saying that most of the tracks, in Sonic Mania, use the same instruments, is not only objectively false, but also a weird basis as to why an OST wouldn’t be good. Most OSTs, albums, EPs, etc. use the same instruments within their respective projects. Now. If the VSTs and sound fonts, that Tee Lopes was using, sounded annoying or ear-grading, I could understand, but from what I hear, nothing in the OST was a detriment to the experience and no two songs sound the same, neither compositionally, or from a soundscape perspective. I get that music is pretty subjective, but I do not know where he’s coming from
the instruments in sonic mania weren't grating, but they sounded much duller, less distinct than megadrive synths and made songs unexciting. this is still opinion and you can disagree, but thats what i got out of it
hoshihearts omochaooo I’m in agreement that it’s all his opinion, but in a debate/discussion type of scenario, I would’ve liked to have heard more of Twips explanation. And I’m sorry but I’m not with you on the OST sounding “dull” or “unexciting”. I don’t even think comparing it to the Genesis OSTs is really “fair” in a sense. As much as I love the Genesis era OSTs, the Mania soundtrack is able to still retain that level of nuance and punch of the Genesis days, while also having the dynamic range and clarity of a Modern OST. Whenever I’m looking for an objective flaw in music, I always think of how it could be improved upon. And, in my opinion, I don’t think Tee Lopes could improve the OST because there’s nothing to improve from an objective sense. Of course, personal taste comes into play, and if you’re not a fan of what he did, then I can’t/won’t change your mind.
@@treynobles im not trying to change your mind either, but the megadrive used basic synth so it always gave a very direct sound, more harsh, and sometimes people prefer that. tee lopes used newer synths, effects, and reverbs giving his remakes a more open sound, but he chose not to make up for it by adding hard smashing drums, or harsh frequency sweeps for example. he even slowed down chemical plant in his version, which isnt "bad" but it reflects his philosophy, he likes to make his music a bit more laid-back then i prefer.
hoshihearts omochaooo I’m not sure if I agree that he makes every song in a low key fashion, because some of the best songs in Mania have an infectious groove to them. (Press Garden Act 2, Studiopolis Act 1, etc.) of course you have songs like Titanic Monarch, which are more low key but it’s made to be more suspenseful and there to add tension. Plus, the fact that the Genesis uses the same instruments throughout nearly every Sonic game, drives my point home as to why I think Twips’ explanation is kind of ridiculous.
We all know that this is a podcast just because Sam is bald now.
Haha I'll be on camera more soon! :)
Hey Sam, you should try out Sonic Rush! I think you would love it (I know it’s an old game, but still)
"All main Sonic games debate"
I sleep
"With Twip & Premydaremy"
Real shit?
29:56 I totally understand prem's bitterness towards sonic team
Avengers endgame is the greatest crossover ever
Sam: hold my chili dog
30:06 to 30:17 is too real. It has been THAT long, huh. I'm about the same age as Prem so his statement hits pretty close home. While I don't feel as bitter, I could totally feel the emotion in his words and relate to it.
Timestamps
Sonic 1 0:50
Sonic 2 2:34
Sonic CD 8:32
Sonic 3K 12:32
Sonic Mania 18:09
Sonic Adventure 23:07
Sometimes I question whether TWIP really knows what he's taking about😂
"The Sonic fan base didn't just become split after the release of Sonic Adventure, it was always split."
Sonic Fanbase 2020
Oh yeah, and I think Sonic Adventure's story is not only clever, but very touching if I'm honest.
And nails the Sonic series' world building perfectly.
Presentation is a blemish, but you can fix the voice acting problem by playing in Japanese (the original language it was recorded in).
It doesn’t make sense to hear it in Japanese, though. And the voice acting is by far the least problem anyway. It sounds worse than it actually is because of the stilted cinematography. Changing it to a language that you have no idea on how it’s actually spoken (and is arguably a gimmie to act at least decently in for most native speakers) wouldn’t improve much. At most, it’s a deafener.
Also, those of us who had problems with game direction in the old days didn’t really have a voice because the climate was all “zOMGZ VIDIOGAEMZ!!!!1” and any dissent was considered insanity and/or assault. Forced or surprise damage and puzzles that all but required game magazines were at worst considered part of the territory and at best *REAL CHALLENGE FOR REAL GAMERS(tm).* All video game franchises suffered from this to some degree. Sonic just had it the worst because speed and platforming are a legitimately tricky mesh that even Sonic Team was struggling to figure out, but the fanboys only saw a rad fast animal that would run over Mario like a freight train. Thank God for the Internet, where the viewpoints-and toxicity-can freely go both ways. Just like Congress.
@@CarbonRollerCaco How does it not make sense to play with JP audio?
Why is it a bad idea to switch to a voice language you don't speak when there's English subtitles?
If you don't mind the English voice acting, fine.
But for those who want good voice acting, then it makes sense not to put up with the rough dubbing and just play with JP voices.
While the mouth animations adds insult to injury with the English dub, it doesn't affect the JP voice acting's delivery much.
People who watch a lot of foreign films and anime will be familiar with the Sub vs Dub.
Of course these days it's not an excuse for Sonic games to have bad english dubbing, but back then I can give it a free pass considering the point in time the video game industry was at, and how they hadn't found their footing yet.
@@CarbonRollerCaco Are you suggesting the rise of the gaming forums and game media critics was beneficial for the Sonic series?
Because if anything, listening to them only helped SEGA drive the nail in the coffin of the blue hedgehog.
And gave SEGA an excuse to blame anything but their shoddy, lazy, arrogant upper-management.
Sonic turned into a meme, a souless caricature of itself when it started listening to THAT crowd.
"But Sonic 06", what of the train wreck from 14 years ago?
Why don't we discuss the games released this decade (2010 - 2020)?
And now we've had a full decade of stagnation.
The highest point of the 2010s for the Sonic series was literally 2 games that sold themselves on nostalgia for the past, when Sonic Team was allowed to have conviction.
But even those 2 games aren't as phenomenal as the games they want to remind you of, they're just fun little trips down memory lane.
But you are right in some way, people now had a platform to let their voice be heard...it's just you have influencers that are actually leading the trendy opinions.
Ronyplay I was talking in terms of Sonic itself, which despite its Japanese origins is HEAVILY American-flavored. The characters, locales and plot devices almost all have English names, and many of them are inspired by Americanic elements. Angel Island is even named for a real life island off the Californian coast. And I’m expected to believe that all of the characters’ native language is Japanese?! If anything, the Japanese original is a dub that only exists for marketability and the English dub is the true version, adaptation issues aside. It’s like Cowboy Bebop, Outlaw Star or Baccano!. Or, more relevant to video gaming, Virtue’s Last Reward and Zero Time Dilemma. (999 undeniably makes the most sense in Japanese, though.)
And it’s not just the mouth movements that taint the acting; it’s the drawn-out pauses between lines that are in no way the actors’ fault as that’s just how the cutscenes are constructed. That shit applies regardless of language.
This summarizes how I see the Sonic fanbase sometimes
I clicked faster than Sonic can say “meow?”
next episode will have another commentator be like hey whats up everyone cobanerma... i wish.
Damn m sad now I wonder what he’s doing
Me during the whole video: OML WILL YOU LET THE MAN WITH REASON SPEAK
Note to self: NEVER WATCH SONIC FANS ARGUING ABOUT WHICH SONIC GAME IS BEST
Idk how you didn't lose your sanity with these arguments lol. Sonic Adventure is ok for me. Not my favorite but dang did those arguments make my blood boil lol
22:57 *Ok I would give you a D* - Sam 2020 (Good comeback but terrible execution)
2 minutes in and y'all already a mess omfggggg 😂😂
14:55
Sam: "What is a Hydrocity"
Twip: "........"
Me: *EXACTLY!!!!!!*
This was super entertaining to watch lol, can’t wait for part 2
The classic Sonic games wouldn't've been nearly as fun to *replay* if they fixed all of the hazards that get you on the first playthrough. It is _because_ all of these "bullshit" pieces of level design that make it rewarding to master... though not always. Metropolis will always be cheap no matter how well you memorize it. But, my point still stands in general.
this concept does apply to aquatic ruin pretty well i think
So glad you guys made this. Twip and Premy arguing over Sonic opinions are always hilarious and will never not be hilarious. Reminds me back in 2017 when they would argue 24/7.
All Main Sonic Games Discussion w/ TWIP & Premydaremy - Part 1
you should rename it to:
All Main Sonic Games Discussion (Super RAGE Mode) w/ TWIP & Premydaremy - Part 1
This series of videos was so chaotic and so crazy but I loved it so much more than ANY Sonic discussion ever. A lot of opinions were pretty agreeable from all 3, and a lot were strange. But these reminded me of why I love most Sonic discussion.
Love that you did this tri-podcast with exactly these people!
It's amazing how you guys just keep on cutting each other off LOL
12:00 prem WTF?!
This was hilarious! Thank you so much.
I swear if sam wasnt there prem and twip would just get into a full blown argument 😂
There are parts where TWIP needs to shut up and let Sam and Prem finish
Jtmissile_AKA_SS870 It’s TWIP, what do you expect?
mechashadow
To not try and constantly be a part of the conversation every 5 seconds
Jtmissile_AKA_SS870 that’s just how he is ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Does TWIP understand that Sonic Adventure is created in 1998 ???
Because, I don't understand why is he complaining the graphics of an old game.
I think TWIP should remake Sonic Adventure, if he can do it much better than the original version HAHAHA
Dayane Ramírez I mean he’s basically the guy who made 12 videos about SwSh in how it’s “a copy of sun and moon” or how final fantasy remake is bad due to not following the original story
He's talking about the presentation of the cutscenes, not the graphics.
And so begins the arguments.
Lemme get the popcorn ready.
I just like so much the method that Sam use for discussions, and I agree with everything!
I literally just noticed that premy had a knife in the thumbnail
I’m still coming back to listen to this once a week because it’s so good 😂👍
When I read who was gonna be in here I immediately turned down my volume. Knew they’d be fighting through the entire video and I loved every second of it
Can't wait for part 2!
I’m soo hyped when is part 2 coming out!
Wait, you three had different opinions on a game series with over 50 games. I never knew that.
TWIP has the most invalid opinions I’ve ever heard LMAO
The arguments went up from 1 to 100 REAL QUICK.
I'm expecting part 3 will be amazing
bruh this was actually really entertaining LOL
can't wait for part 2 where Sam is gonna hack premy's YT account and say the he hate Sonic Heroes
Yeah sam im sticking with you as my sonic channel 😂😂 prem and twip be sayin sum bs
I think Prem should have more faith in an SA1 remake. I trust that if given the right time and not being screamed at to put out some teaser when we don't know the behind the scenes, Sonic Team can deliver a solid remake. There's no reason to lose faith. Sonic has been through worse and made it. Thinking everything is gonna be like Forces just because Forces was bad in the way that it is, is a pretty bad way of looking at the future. Guess what I'm trying to say is be patient and have faith. Sonic Team can do this if you allow them to.
(Also P.S Gamma gang for life)
The thing that is worring is that Sonic Team lost 90% of it's talent after generations (Out sourced for Botw and other games) and the new sonic team is far from trustworthy.
They willingly made a game with only 3 level designers, included Chaos and Shadow only for them to have minuscule roles, copied and pasted the same boss fight for two different characters *infinite and metal* and confindentally released a game with only one year of development *besides their time making the engine*
IM VERY EXCITED FOR THIS!!!!!! 😃
Great video! It is admittedly very irritating that Premy and TWIP have proved so bad at debating - they are unbelievably disrespectful to each other and to Sam, and just resort to yelling and arguing with anything that doesn't agree. But it is super interesting to hear all of these lesser heard opinions and I can't wait to watch the other parts.
I hope you do more stuff like this Sam, but maybe do it with more respectful guests.
That's there thing they do that
This just confirm how different is our individual perspective of what Sonic is and should be.
I’m curious to know your Sonic 06 opinions.
And thus, there long-standing friendship was no more...
This hot takes are something else 😂
A very sophisticated Sonic discussion indeed
10:04 because it focuses on exploration instead of just blasting through the zones like a maniac.
2 minutes in and I already disagree with TWIP lmao
Sonic 1 wasn't bad, it made him adventurous and was a good game to start the franchise with. Sonic is much more advanced than mario but Sonic 1 started just fine but Sonic 1 is nowhere near as good as sonic 2. Sonic 2 is better in ever single way
I love Sonic 1. I actually think Sonic 2 is a bit overrated
they were making s&k’s levels at the time of sonic 3. flying battery, mushroom hill (formerly known as mushroom valley) and sandopolis are in sonic 3’s level select
"The best part of Sonic CD is when you get to the end credits and you realize that it's finished. You don't have to keep playing it."
That's exactly how I felt about Sonic Unleashed for Wii.
did twip just say sonic adventure has the worst story in the SERIES?? LOL has he played Shadow? or the Story book games??? lolol
Hey Bowblax, what's up dude? But wth? You're the last person I thought I'd see here, it actually caught me by surprise.
Anyways, so I assume you like the Adventure series? If so, cool I do to. And agree with the story being miles better than at least the story books games.
I didn't grow up with Sonic 2...but when I played both 1 and 2 i found 2 a WHOLE lot better than 1,I just liked how fast it was.
Take a shot every time you hear Sam say "Here's the thing..."
Prem is the biggest bruh moment of the conversation and TWIP is the runner up. Sam is just in the safe zone.
Bruh, I loved this
great video
It was pretty funny
i love stuff like this!
TWIP's opinions on my first video game, Sonic 2; hurt my soul. Lmao
speaking of underated sonic 06 is quite the fridget luv
I feel like every zone in sonic 1 did a good job of showing that no matter how dire the situation sonic always made it through the end to save the animal. From slow stages to him litterly fighting his fear of water and diving to save the ones who need help.
TWIP and premy, who's next? Mr pasquale? Emi Jones? Izuka HIMSELF?
3 angry men argue about which hedgehog is best hedgehog
*puts CD ost in the same tier as Sonic Boom*
Prem...... you really testing me rn.
Bruh, TWIP was the biggest bruh moment in the Sonic 2 discussion and then Prem became the biggest bruh moment with TWIP in the Sonic CD and Sonic 3 and Knuckles discussion. Poor Sam.
Twip with the mania Soundtrack is just hilarious
Sonic 4’s Soundtrack is really good
The game apologist should get in on this
Twip lost all credibility with me shitting on Sonic 2, Adventure 1, and has the audacity to praise anything regarding Forces in the same breath. And Premy's music tier list is giving me an aneurysm seeing Forces soundtrack ranking higher than at best D tier.
Imma grab a beer
Here we go
10:01 Sonic Drift: hold my cars.
*Sees the 2 other people included*
Oh this should be good
So much heresy in one Sonic discussion video...
YAY NEW VIDEO
SAM and PREM ?!
24:03 Sonic Adventure initially released in 1998.
Tony T! Manic is Canon
@@theminecraft2516 Not here. I already reported you for unnecessary content. Not on this video, not on another stream. If I see you doing this again, you will be reported for harassment, do you understand?
@@theminecraft2516 Our "Debate" was already done long time ago.
ok
I love your videos and would 100% listen to this podcast, but every time I hear two voices overlap (half the god damn video of one being interrupted) I just can't continue. It's like playing two songs at once in completely different time frames, they won't mix well.
Oh boy, these two.
GIMME PART 2! 😭😂
AMAZING VIDEO! Sonic 2 was better then Sonic 1, In my opinion
Mario 64 had a story?
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Oh, the cake...!
The only thing they should change dauliouge wise in an SA2 remake is tails response to Robotnik at the end ya know the “AlL tHaT MaTTeRs iS tHaT We Did IT toGAthEr”. Eggman was elaborateting and contemplating and tails saying that ruins it
I dont think premy understands that sonic 3 & knuckles were literally MEANT to be the same gams. Sonic colors and sonic generations weren’t. Sonic 3 & knuckles were only separated for cartridge space, sonic colors and generations were never meant to be in the same physical video game. Sonic 3 & knuckles were
I think he says that about gens and colors mainly bc colors was originally going to be gens for wii, and we also know this bc all the badniks use models from gens, but other than that, they are 2 entirely different games and have no connection other than that.
Still debating on Sonic 1 and already fighting, classic Sonic fans debates :)
Btw, Sonic 1 > Sonic 2... fight me!
Why does marble zone look like the first level from Altered beast
I am Greek and I can assure you it makes much more sense to pronounce hydrocity as one word, as the word hydro is derived from the greek word ύδωρ. When it's used as the first link word then ύδωρ becomes υδρο- which is obviously where hydro came from, pronouncing it as two words is like invalidating the greek roots of the words.
Sonic 1, while definitely a game that could be improved upon, feels complete and well rounded. Sonic 2 on the other hand, while improving upon certain elements, always felt a but hollow and unpolished to me, which isn’t that surprising considering how much we found out got cut from the final game later on.
This just shows sonic games have been suffering from time constraints since the very beggining
On the topic of each classic game being easier with the next title, I believe that’s due to the advances in technology.
Sonic 1 was super limited to what it could do and hadn’t found its footing yet so it made the game spike in difficulty since no one really knew how to handle Sonics level design.
Sonic 2 was easier then the previous game because of the tighter controls and a better understanding of what sonic is, so figuring out the game wasn’t as hard as it was last time, however, sonic 2 still had technical limitations that made it difficult.
Now onto sonic 3 &knuckles, this game was a lot easier then the previous two because of 1 single thing, save states. Sonic 1 and 2 were hard as hell because if you got a game over, you gotta go all the way back to the beginning regardless of how many emeralds you achieved. I don’t believe that the games got easier for better accessibility, with the exception of mania. I think it was just following the evolution for the standards of gaming. Mario and Kirby went through the same process in my opinion.
Sonic 1, 2, 3 & Knuckles are all great games.