All Main Sonic Games Debate w/ TWIP & Premydaremy - Part 4 (FINAL)
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- Опубліковано 9 чер 2020
- Join TWIP, Premy, and I in a debate about each mainline Sonic game.
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Special thanks to my guests:
Premy's Non-Sonic Channel: / premulous
TWIP: / @twip98
Shanny: / shanclnackfan
SFGHQ: / sfghqofficial
SAGE: / sagexpo
David The Lurker: / dtlurker
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Twitch: / samprocrastinates
Discord: / discord
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Premydaremy- Sonic team sucks
Sam- it's not sonic teams fault
Twip- inaudible loud noises
Can't wait guys 😂
sonic team should remake sonic 4. with all new zone that dony copy zones from sonic 1-3
Mario Rickman so episode 3?
@@mariorickman321 No. Please, no more Sonic 4.
sonic 5 ?
@@mariorickman321 There needs to be something more *innovative,* this time around.
This is like the only debate I enjoy listening to
Same
MAN, SAME
People taking turns, & not speaking over each other. Moderators.
That’s all you need.
It’s honestly funnier when they cut each other off lmao
Maybe this time the conversation will be coherent.
This is the funniest joke of all time
Silver: is it over?
Shadow: No. It's not over yet
Sonic: I guess it’s not gonna be that easy
I just wish they continued riders except making a mario kart clone. Riders had its iwn identity and they shafted it.
Oreo *Ex-RWBY Hater* Yeah me too. I think Riders is more fitting for Sonic than a standard kart racer. The extreme gear (or hoverboards) and the sunglasses and stuff (that no one wore lol) was all more fitting for Sonic in my opinion, it was really “radical”😂
At least Transformed was really unique and really fun, TSR is kinda but Transformed is definitely better in my opinion
@@funnysonicman agreed.But at the end the sonic racing game did stand out and have there unique and creative ideas.
Or a new take on Sonic R. But make it actually control good this time
Markus Steel Wright yes that’s exactly what I want from a sonic racing game
All stars racing transformed was awsome. Having other sega characters is better than just sonic
saddam hussein would have known what to do with the franchise
Bruh u a nerd
Ok
this comment was ahead of it's time
@@frankie5067 Dang it really was
Why do people say they don't like sonic for the story, I thought that was one of the things that made the series stand out from other platformers
This is honestly a recent complaint from people that they don’t like stories in sonic. Typical
Because story isn't what Sega of America ever wanted to push about Sonic. Just attitude. And so those people come in not expecting story and throw a fit when they get it. And obviously CAHTOONZ SHUUDNT HAEV DEEP STOREEZ
Immanuel Ntim-Addae The Whole thing about Story/Storytelling in Sonic. While for the most part it’s secondary to gameplay, it’s still equally as important to Sonic. These Characters make the games be more inventive.
Without Good gameplay, there is no point sure, but without a good story and just good writing, the Sonic franchises loses it's flair.
Carbon Roller Caco Bad gameplay is hard to progress for Sonic, but I believe Storytelling is just as important to the Sonic Franchise. I know with Good gameplay, there is no point to the games , at the same time without a good story and just good writing, the Sonic franchises loses it's magical flair.
Because that’s the last thing I (and many) could give a damn about with this series. Not only that, if the writers want to put emphasis on a “storydriven experience” then give me that. None of the Sonic games offer that.
Seriously, take away the story element from the series and it wouldn’t change a bit.
Man.....I need this thumbnail on my t-shirt
i would buy it
Glad we had "moderators" this time, the input of them made the debate more enjoyable to listen to.
thanks for saying that. Me and David Like to talk a lot so we kinda put moderation on backseat but we come from places that dive into the history of sonic and sega. Im happy we could provide more to the conversation and entertain. Was worried that we wouldn't be as interesting as twip and prem.
Woah! Sam managed to contact Super Sonic for this debate??!! lucky you!!
It's because he "played nice".
@@Ronan34753 He didn't have to break all of Sam's toys!
Haha nice joke everyone.
"Ugh...this might not end well..."
I still think giving sonic a sword was ok and made better sense than a gun cause Sonic isn’t a violent or brutal killer. He’s more noble and headstrong and it worked in a story sense and was less forced than the werehog who was added out of nowhere.
Hell I don't have problems with both werehog or the sword but I think the werehog form is showing the side of Sonic that is showing his wild side and letting loose but apparently that just turns him into monkey d Luffy from one piece
“Whats up Sonic Squad”- Sonic
*"Welcome to Sonic Racing."*
The Whole thing about Story/Storytelling in Sonic. While for the most part it’s secondary to gameplay, it’s still equally as important to Sonic. Without Good gameplay, there is no point sure, but without a good story and just good writing, the Sonic franchises loses it's flair.
This is what i said, no amount of people realize sonic at the time was unique not only for its gameplay, but also bc it could have a compelling narrative which wasnt ground breaking or anything, but was relatable and also so much fun, sonic isnt like mario and i feel like more people should get that.
Sonic having a Sword has been a thing since the Archie Comics, way before Black Knight came around....
Me: **Watches Sxsw to see what's next for the franchise**
Sega: "hahaha Sonic Schoolhouse 2, please laugh"
It's so fun and games until it actually gets released 👀
This but unironically
@@maude7420 Don't worry, wasn't being ironic at all(if you thought I was). This genuinely kinda piss me off too.
Dude i just want to inject these videos into my veins. They’re what’s keeping me entertained before the next sonic reveal. Pls consider doing more discussions like these
I love hearing passionate fans discuss Sonic. Hope to hear even more from you guys down the line!
I must say I found the discussion very interesting, their were a lot of different prospectives on the games as well as Sonic Team and Sega that were really intriguing to hear whether they were positive or negative. I honestly really enjoyed it
Ive been waiting for this for 2 weeks and I feel like crying thank you, as soon as I saw im like YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
That was a great debate. I was kinda hoping they would talk about the boom issues but this answered a lot of the questions I had before. Hope you do more some time!
13:33 I disagree with that, by that logic Mario having the Fludd and Link from twilight princess turning into a werewolf is a dumb idea because we don't "need" them and they felt "forced." I like when games take risks. Gimmicks are fine as long as the gameplay is executed well and the story makes sense for them.
I think the reason why these gimmicks work with Mario is because, gameplay wise, Mario has stayed consistent since his beginning. Mario always feels the same and has the same moves he has since 64. And all they really have to do is to implement gimmicks into his moveset, and design levels around it, to make the games feel somewhat different. But with Sonic, either do they change his gameplay completely(storybook, Lost World), or they just butcher it(Forces), or they just completely slow down the game(Unleashed). But that's at least my view of it
@@precieux6303 What about the Wisps then?
@@mistersureshot1749 The wisps are literally just items, there's not really much
@@precieux6303 If Sam had said that then I wouldn't have any problem with that statement. I could see why one would think Mario handle gimmicks better than Sonic. But he said "Giving Sonic a sword felt very forced and isn't something we necessarily need" by his logic Mario Sunshine is bad because Mario doesn't "need" the flood. What the fuck does a water pump and Hawaii have to do with Mario? Mario gimmicks should always involves and fit in with Mario himself. That is his argument and I think its very flawed.
Imo I don't mind the different styles of Sonic. The werehog although can get tedious with the combat at least you're still platforming and reaching the end of the stage. As for Black Knight, I'm totally fine with how they handle it. It still felt as you are playing as Sonic with his speed and homing attack still being part of his moveset. Sure the play style is different from the past titles but its a spin off so of course i expect it to be different.
Can't wait for this, yes Twip and Prem can be a bit ruthless but I still enjoy listening the range of opinions and analysis from all 3 of them.
Honestly I enjoyed listening to all of these, even the chaotic parts. I'd be down for more debate stuff
Gimmicks aren’t bad themselves. They are great if they enhance certain abilities that already exist or make things go extra smoothly.
Can’t for wait sam to get interrupted again
Yooo, can't wait for this.
Please guys, let each other talk and don’t interrupt each other every 5 seconds k thanks
Skelldoom Yep, it’s not a debate but more like a competition for who can talk the loudest.
@@lwetho1519 this episode is better with not interrupting others
I wouldn't mind more debates with you, twip, and premy!!
Okay, I just started watching this, and I wasn't expecting David T. Lurker. I guess it's time to understand why Iizuka's canon doesn't work
David is the greatest
When the younger siblings are out of control so you call the parents to put them in place 😂
Luigis Mansion- Luigi captures ghost with a vacuum
People- ayy thats neat
Sonic- Holds a single sword
People- ewwwwwww Sega what were you thinking??
Great to listen to on my way home from work
It all ends where it begins...Green Hill Zone.
Thats sad because it’s true
Well Green Hill is looking a little more like Sand Hill now 🤷♂️
@@taecampus get out. I don't wanna remember forces.
@@lunarscales_ 🤣🤣🤣
Great set of videos. Like listening to them. Hopefully sonic francise wull have a great future.
Twip Yells: The Movie
Highly underrated comment
Love your videos
Noice.
If it's true that Forces took more than a year to develop I just don't know what to make of the final product. I just get the feeling of impotence that the only thing I can do is hope that they FINALLY understand what that have to do with the modern series for the next game and the ONLY thing that gives me hope is that they seem to have at least managed to do that for the classic series with Whitehead so it MIGHT be possible for the main series as well even though the corporate talk you guys talked about makes me nervous that the next game like mania won't have as much freedom as they did with with the first one since they'll have the focus of corporate Sega (since they saw it was successful, even more than their main game they were focusing on) unless they give them the same freedom if they understand that that seemed to work to make the first one a success.
Also about what the fans want, we don't want sonic team to listen to EXACTLY what that fans put out on the internet as ideas, what we want is for them to know what makes a Sonic game a Sonic game (the pillars of what a Sonic Game is) and be able to execute it, at the very least, properly. We also want them to understand who Sonic is personality wise as well as being able to create a world were the other characters are important as well with interesting character arcs and stories and not just being relegated to one of "Sonic's friends" as they have this past decade.
This also applies to the story of the games, what kind theme should Sonic games strive for? Sonic ain't Mario so whenever there's no story, while something like that might work for Mario or some other character from another game series that's popular, it just won't for Sonic. Sonic also ain't just a cartoon character hence that kind of theme not working in recent games like Boom for example (as it's main characterization anyway since the spin-off cartoon works since it's separate, its own thing). It should probably be a mixture of shounen characterization while also still being fun for all ages (All ages, not just kids). The classic games got Sonic right in how his personality should be just through his idle animations and I honestly believe that the first couple of games when Sonic jumped to 3d also got it right from SA1 to Unleashed (yes with some slight hiccups in the way but even then those games had the right essence about who Sonic is.)
Well I do agree with some points.
I know I'm late to this, but these discussion videos are always great to listen to. I hope we can get more of these for future games!
Also, at @1:11:36, while I am a big fan of Sonic and his games, I feel like it's unfair to say that the Sonic Fandom is the greatest without researching and experiencing what other fan bases are like. And it would have to be conducted over long periods of time.
How every debate video go:
Prem : blame sonic team for everything also talk about how 06 and heroes the best
Sam : its sega fault also get interrupted all the time
Twip : everything he say no one agree with him on it also laugh like a maniac
Love you guys you are the best xD 💙
The failing of this argument of mario is they forgot that they keep Mario's CORE moveset and abilities in tack.
Mario sense 64 can:
Wall Jump
Tripple jump
Spin
Long jump
Sonic hasnt been consistent
I hope they go over the dimps games
Can we all agree Mephilis is one of the best Sonic Villains
He is THE best Sonic villian
I prefer Eggman
Agree.
Precieux Kalemba Eggman from 1991- Sonic Unleashed’s intro
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I hope this time it's an actual CONVERSATION.
all of them are conversation , ideas are exchanged and voices are speaking
The REAL mike thegamerguy24 The last videos was fucking awful. Sound like children crying, no sense of constructive criticism. Only legit one prior was Sam.
@@TaeInfinite ☝
This is the conversation of all time
1:54:02 The timing of what he’s saying here with the game footage is just impeccable.
Stories in Sonic games matter
these videos are making me want to join the actual debate
28:33 "no, they had the same janitor" 😂
Listening to them diss the switch and the battery life
When I look at mario Odysse, Breath, Pokken, Smash Ult. Etc
Antasma Akkumu Odyssey has Ok graphics but it visually looks fantastic. The lighting in Mario odyssey and even the art style looks better than forces. (Especially since forces used Lost Worlds art style for some reason)
With the switch argument, look at MK11. Still looks absolutely amazing on the more powerful consoles.
yea I wish I would have went more in depth with it. David sorta hits on it but some developers will under perform on these to keep a lot of the switches factors in mind. I am also curious if there was a element of the switch still being sorta new so they were still guessing what they could do for it. Glad you made a comment on this as I should look more into that. on a side note im glad we are seeing more games hit the switch like mk11 and witcher 3! Love to see this system pushed to its limits
Mario Kart 11 doesn’t exist
@thr king ankylosaurous, they are taking about mortal kombat 11
Sam, thank you for your optimism about Sonic as a character, and his potential. No offense to prem, but you are probably one of the only youtubers I've seen who hasn't given up hope on Sonic. I agree with you, Sonic is very relevant right now, considering his movie is the most purchased digital movie right now.
There is a lot of people who still love Sonic and haven't given up. But I can understand how people would feel hesitant about the series.
Fact: sonic the hedgehog exist
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Oh shit yo really? Didn't know bro thanks for telling me
_The more you know~_ 💫
Fact: Tails has two tails
@@sonicgamer178 Fact:Big is Big, most creative character ever. I should give him a Pizza for that.
YOU GUYS NEED TO MAKE A FUCKING POD CAST ITS JUST FUN TO HEAR YOU GUYS TALK
for sonic forces development i heard they spent 2 years on concept art
Regarding 06, there was something that I didn’t hear anyone mention: wasn’t there some kind of marketing deal that SEGA made with Microsoft to promote Sonic 06 on the 360 to possibly combat the launch of the PS3 as they both released roughly at the same time? Was that a big factor in the rush? (The PS3 version released later, too).
You know thats a good question. But I think it will mainly fall to a possible build loss and the seasonal rush. But your onto something as that does effect releases and possibly contributed. I think about how there was a massive change to final fantasy 13 when they decided to do a thing for a Xbox release
YES, FINALLY
I was not expecting a fourth episode, *but I was expecting not to expect something so it doesn't count.*
Ahhh ending on unleashed. What a lovely game to end on
“You can’t prove they don’t have the source code!” “you can’t prove they do!” what are we, 6 years old? “Why?” “Why not?” This isn’t debate anymore. =P
Middle schoolers
The guy behind Rayman
This debate revealed one thing: whether Sega Corporate, Sonic Team, or the fans...
...it would all be better *if people used their brains.*
I'll say this I want a game that can surpass Sonic Adventure 2 and Sonic Unleashed quality gameplay and content. and i HOPE sega and sonic team can do it
What game CAN surpass sa2 or SU
Yes please, I want a fresh Sonic experience, no more "good enough" please.
@@jwgames3631 Those shouldn't be games that can't be surpassed lol. But maybe storywise
Bruh I thought this already ended. Looks like we'll see if this really is FINAL. lol
Listening to Prem and Twip is like hearing two brothers arguing XD
It would be great if you made this weekly priemered or live
I feel like this time they will get the debate right. Have faith. They supposedly took 2 months off!
Damn this premieres when I start work... Well Ill see you guys after Its uploaded.
I think its important to have those opinions rather than just swallowing everything the developers are throwing at us - so yeah Sonic fanbase has all rights to have their wants and criticisms as long as it makes sense, its reasonable (no bias and no apologism!)
Recently got platinum for Unleashed. So now I have platinum trophy for all the boost games. Hopefully the next Sonic game doesn’t have more frustrating, next to impossible timed missions like Unleashed/Forces did. They probably won’t deliver on a solid story so the gameplay should make up for it. And at this rate i’ll play whatever game they drop. Just make sure it’s good and fun to play.
The Wisps shouldn’t be a powerup for Sonic to use anymore. Wisps shouldn’t be taking away the characters already established movesets either. Sonic has his own moveset! I think they should add Whisper to the games, they can let her use wisps since she actually does. I kinda liked the wispons from Forces but some I didn’t use and even felt pointless. The cube wispon is a good example. I would really like to see multiple characters return.
Still think they should have a modern sonic fighter they have many characters to use. Could do sonic rush 3 on console too. I can see a boost game with Sonic, Shadow and Blaze (my top three favorites) playable. Doing remakes are reasonable and might work, at the same time they could mess that up. But they can go back to the adventure gameplay because it was pretty good. I still don’t understand why they haven’t done anything with Chao/Chao Garden on mobile that’s easy money for them. Sonic on mobile is still going well for them.
Ok
I really hope you do something like this again
I'm totally with Prem and I domt understand why everyone hates the guy. To me hes the guy making the most sense. Call him bitter but hes explaining the cause for that bitterness and I think its valid. Corporate or Sonic Team or BOTH, it doesnt matter the problem is the fault for these crappy Sonic games is all of these guys. And what matters is all this stuff needs to be corrected if their is to be any good games for the future of the franchise. And I'm sorry, but I still think Sam and the others are too forgiving of Sonic Team. I dont like how we are supposed to ASSUME Izuka and his team are just gonna magically make the best Sonic game ever if Sega let them loose to do whatever they want. Or that they'll be given a better budget for the games just because Sega saw the sales for the movie. All these things are blind assumptions because someone talked to Izuka and empathized with his presumed passion, that's not enough.
The evidence does not align in favor that Sonic Team just have their hands tied by Sega as a corporation. Look at Mania, a game that was supposed to be a totally original 2D Adventure but was forced to be another Generations greatest hits collection cause Izuka wanted it to be that way. Look at what Christian Whitehead and his team did, they worked with what they had and made it splendidly. Whether you liked the direction of the game, I didnt so much, It is still a quality game and i play it myself hundreds of times to this day. With the mainline Sonic games we see a disturbing trend of incompetence. Despite the rushed schedules and narrow directions by Sega, if we want to assume it's all Sega, they still result in crappy executions of that idea each and every time, especially in the 2010s. That's not a corporate decision that's part of a incompetent lack of talent and/or work. Also I have thus problem that Sega dont value Sonic as much as a series anymore to make money. If that were true they wouldnt keep him as their mascot, they wouldnt advertise Forces, wouldnt push a movie about him or keep his name on the radar as they do. SEGA keeps Sonic in their spotlight more than ANY OTHER PROPRIETARY under their arsenal and that's a fact. And Sonic has shown to sell millions of copies before, a lot. If Sega truly needed the movie to remind them of this then they're stupid as a corporation. And that points again to lack of competence. The Sega body dont deserve to manage the franchise as far as I'm concerned.
But Prem, again, is right on the money when he talks about the team just making a good QUALITY game. The sheer fact is you cant please every fan by giving each and every one of them what they desire SPECIFICALLY, that's just not realistic for any fandom. But as long as they can make a quality game it isnt gonna matter what style it is cause most people will still enjoy it. I have played every Sonic game and not a single one has made me upset based on how the game plays, only in its EXECUTION of how it plays. I love Mario Galaxy but I dont cry over every new Mario game that isnt Galaxy. Why? Cause the new Mario games they make are fun quality adventures. The Mario fans have been taken care of because of this very reason. Quality. Sonic Team and Sega do not do this. And a budget isnt going to save the games either. Quality doesnt need a budget and anyone that thinks throwing money at something is the only solution to things doesnt understand game development. True craftmanship doesnt get buckled under the lack of money, it adapts to it and delivers what it can. If Izuka could be handled to keep the fans happy he would have done it ages ago. Hate to say it, but over a decade of history has proven he has failed to do this.
With Sonic Forces we had a game that was worked on for 4 years and came out a dud. Every opportunity given to Sonic Team has proven fruitless. This incompetence hurts the franchise and whether we want to put the blame on them or not this is a reality that must change if the series is gonna survive. Sonic cant keep living off the blind hope of fans, it wont hold up forever and will end up turning more and more fans away. This is the most disheartening I've ever seen the fanbase. And I'm seeing people give up on Sonic more than ever before. And the blame for this is certainly not the fans themselves.
Corporate still matters more because they determine who works for them. They would've fired Iizuka ages ago if they were unhappy with him.
Yeah, I agree. This mindset just isn't really helpful. Sonic Team hasn't released anything great since I was 8, and I'm almost 15 now. They've been releasing mediocrity for way too long. The budget and who is to blame doesn't matter, fact is the 30th anniversary is really their last chance. A lot of people in the fanbase have already lost interest and left after Forces and the whole drought. If they mess it up AGAIN, I really doubt Sonic will survive this time (at least for the 3D games)
Forces wasn't worked for 4 years.Only a year.
@@precieux6303 yeah sure keep doubting,keep decreasing the sales and keep pressuring sega to think nostalgia pandering is the way,just FUCKING stop using sonic forces,team sonic racing was a good game.
Not thier fault?I don't know isn't it weird people are taking a talking blue hedgehog that runs fast and defeats an eggshaped scientist seriously?Shut up already.
Not gon lie im pretty sure by now we can all agree that the best sonic story telling comes from the comics hands down 😁
There is no way Sonic Forces' graphics were limited to accommodate the Switch. The Switch port of the game is not optimised: terrible draw distance, halved frame rate, worse textures and lighting. If they were programming the game with the Switch in mind, surely they would've done a better job.
Please part 5 😁!!!
Idk if you already know about this. But it's confirmed in sonic runners that after colors, the wisp like earth and want to stay in it. I don't fully remember how this is explained. But confirming it in a mobile game is like the worst way to do it.
My favorite Sonic games include:
1. Sonic Riders Zero Gravity
2. Sonic Free Riders
3. Shadow The Hedgehog
4. Sonic Chronicles:The Dark Brotherhood
5. Sonic The Hedgehog 2006 (Yes the glitchy one)
6. Sonic & The Secret Rings
7. Sonic Unleashed
8. Sega & All Stars Racing
9. Sonic & All Stars Racing Transformed
10. Sonic Generations
11. Sonic Lost World
12. Sonic Forces (Just a little)
These are my 12 favorite and you can fight me all you want, these made me happy since I was a kid and now and I'm happy with them. The only game that I want and make me feel completely happy is a Remake of Sonic Riders Zero Gravity using CGI graphics, alot like Sonic Free Riders in terms of visuals, I really REALLY want this and been waiting since I played the game upon release.
Havent watched the video yet but they better say that secret rings is awesome
And they didn't ☹️
One of the ways i feel you should implement a gimmick is like the flud. Not exactly but the flud amplifies his moves, it doesn't replace any moves like the sword does. If the gimmick is the boost than amplify the moves with the boost without taking away freedom. It shouldnt be the main focus, it should just be a means to have fun movement. Swimming could be amplified from slowly floating down to moving around like a torpedo
To be honest I don't want another boost game I want another adventure formula like game
Black knight is already a spin-off so why is it such a pace breaker?
Hey sam are you going to play sonic robo blast 2
A point: Sonic Team seemed to either be unwilling, or unable to make Classic Sonic actually feel like Classic Sonic in the Modern games. They had two chances: once in Generations and once in Forces. They completely missed the mark both times.
This can mean two things:
1. Sonic Team's programmers are not skilled enough to replicate a control scene from over 2 decades ago, or
2. Sonic Team was not invested enough to try, despite them having Whitehead on speed-dial in Forces' case.
Which one is it? I don't think anyone knows except them.
I've heard that it was more so the engine was hard to make it work for both Modern and Classic sonic if Classic was going to have vastly different controls. Basically if they wanted to make a modern style game that was classic sonic and it was true to how it felt in the genesis games, they would have to use a different engine and make it only Classic Sonic.
I think its the fact first of all gens classic sonic was made specifically for the level design of those gens classic stages, hence why it worked, now with forces, they must had overwrite classic sonics control from gens which led to it being way more stiff but at the same time floaty, and yet having the spin dash being so op. I mean just look at modern sonic, they clearly just overwrited lost worlds engine to make it feel like a boost game but it didnt work, hence why sonic starts running so quickly in such little time, bc of the run button of lost world, and worst part is lost worlds engine was already overwrited from gens, so really its all bc of the fact sonic team just overwrited all of those games engines over and over to the point we got to forces which led to it becoming so broken
Why do you have to stop making these though? Do them once or twice a month if the editing of it doesn't get to you. I'm sure we'd all love to see that
Cool
Why do i have a feeling that there might be a part 5, after Sonic Rangers is out?
Omg YES PLZZZ, I plan to make an animatic of all the parts soon too!! They should for SURE do another one of these for the spin-offs as well. I miss TWIP btw, where’s he been?? ;-;
I want a Prem and Twip show...
Please make a new debate about frontiers and the marketing issue, then you could lead that into the second movie
I plan to make an animatic of all the parts soon. They should for SURE do another one of these for the spin-offs as well. I miss TWIP btw, where’s he been?? ;-;
@@ArylBarrelI'm still wondering
Jungle Joyride Night. Thank you.
2d Sonic on Sega consoles is like Mario on Super Nintendo. Just amateur and extra units in odd places, that make the stages incomplete.
One year later, and I'm the one thousandth Like... Felt so satisfying seeing it go from 999 to 1K. lol
Ah! This one is really trying to reach the 10 minute mark!
Yeah cause Mario possessing other beings makes sense. Let games have weird stuff.
Dude when Mario has Humans people are ok with it but when Sonic has Humans they rage
Sonic having a sword isn’t stupid it’s a fictional blue hedgehog running at the the speed of sound adding a sword isn’t that crazy
I do agree with this. XD. Maybe Sonic just wants a sword to play with? I don’t need a sword to do self defence but it’s neat.
I don't think the concept is dumb. I just think the execution of the gameplay is
1:40:45 For Sonic CD no. Sega asked fans what game from their back catalog they wanted on mobile. Christian then developed a prototype for CD using his engine, and pitched it to SEGA. He was accepted and work on the CD port. Later after SEGA saw the success of the CD port they asked Christian to remake Sonic 1 and 2 for mobile and android. He agreed and worked with Stealth to make the mobile ports.
I disagree with the assumption that sonic fans don’t know what we want. “Oh you say you want this stuff but then when they do what you ask them to do you complain that you don’t like it!” That’s not the fans fault. The fault is on the developers for fundamentally misunderstanding what do the fans mean when they describe what they want. Sonic fans will ask for something like “give us another game like sonic generations” and then they just make terrible boost levels and add classic sonic in a 3D boost game. But what we wanted was good boost levels! And we didn’t get it.
Re. modern Sonic Team vs. corporate: They're both trash. Corporate may be squeezing Iizuka and Nakamura, but the fact that they're both still with Sega tells me that they're not exactly hated by their bosses.
Recently with frontiers izuka was almost fired by begging to sega for giving sonic team 1 more year of development time to finish frontiers, so yeah they arent loved by their bosses at all, at that time they only stayed with sega bc of the fact well, its job, and bc they were doing what sega wanted.
Is this available in podcast form somewhere? I'd like to be able to listen to it while driving.
I thought it was done
I actually forgot that Sam existed.
Damn
Sam says Here’s the thing counter for part 4: 1
Total Sam says Here’s the thing 39
Sam’s response to that is the same thing he said at 1:54:08
Part 5 pls
Can I just say? Sonic Lost World was a 64 bit engine, unlike Hedgehog engine, which was 32 bit.
12:00pm gang rise up
Edit: The joke is, I thought it started at 12pm, but it changed to 2pm)
Part 4
Doomsday zone
*Wishes are eternal*