Okay, so to sum up points, you're ISTJ if: 1. You have strong imagination 2. You have strong, unshakeable convictions + You easily take pride in your achievements 3. You exist in a state of competition with yourself + You hold yourself to high standard, and may even hold others to equally high standard 4. You tend to be hyper aware of consequences and risks + You have a naturally strategic mind, which sometimes resists exploration of the unknown 5. You are not swayed by other people's Fe + You have difficulty fitting into the broader collective + You tend to struggle with musical social exchanges
I think i am an istj. But i couldn't relate with point 1 2. I rarely imagine things. When i do i just not strong. No. 2 my conviction is shakeable, every time there's logical explanation and feeling, or prove, my conviction would fade. I really hate small talk for long time, but actually enjoy that too for short time.
Harry, if you ever read this, thank you so much for creating this CPT system, I see this as the actual Mbti, let's say the evolution of Jungian system, I truly hope this gets to be the norm, for most people engaged with "Mbti" know very little of how this actually works
Ditto it's really reinvigorated my interest in Jungian typology. I lost hope in finding my type and utilising it for individuation as the 'MBTI norm' was simply too simplistic and one dimensional. I'm an ENFJ (typed by CPT) and before encountering CPT had considered myself at one time or another, an INTP, ENTP and INTJ 😂. Actually the INTJ makes sense with the divergent thinking & convergent feeling and I guess Ti dominant as my axis is fluid but still, on the whole, I was very blind to my blindspots & dominant pairing. I've found it's given me a new found appreciation for all the cognitive types & to realise how interconnected we all actually are 😊
this video is awesome. i’ve recently been typed as an esfj by a cpt enthusiast, and I have to say i really dislike the horrible stereotypes SJ types get branded with. I’m glad this channel exists to dispel them🎉
Hello fellow Fe dom 😊! My immediate clinical manager and friend is an ESFJ; the similarities between the ESFJ and ENTP, for example, are hardly ever mentioned. The ESFJs Si-Ti divergence is not to be underestimated either; as an ENFJ with ADHD mine is hardly conscious so feel free to throw some of that Si-Ti- my way! I don't know about you but I was initially surprised to be typed as an Fe dominant - the Fe 'lovey dovey' and 'people pleaser' stereotypes are far removed from who I am as a person; most of the ESFJs I know are pretty ferocious (albeit fair) and are vast store houses of acquired knowledge. I find that ESFJs are often the quickest at acquiring new skills and learning new concepts whereas I'm pretty slow. It's so invigorating to see that these nonsensical stereotypes are being actively questioned, I just wish this understanding was reaching the MBTI community at a faster rate.
I often get told I'm borderline masochistic. I like difficult things because they teach you something. I absolutely adore philosophy, I have a wide collection of books I paid too much for that I'm slowly making my way through. People get ISTJ way wrong. SJ types in general are always last. We're not that bad!
I can see this type being greatly misunderstood around the community, unfortunately. So this video is great for those who are actually istjs however don't relate to many descriptions out there. I have one in my family and I could see many of his actions and behavior in this analysis.
I am an ISTJ, and my niece is an INFP. We are so similar my sister has always said that she has my child. My Fi is very strong, and I resonate so much with INFPs that I've often wondered if I've been wrong about being an ISTJ, but my preference for Te over Ne assures me that I am one. This is a great video, and it's honestly a little creepy that you seem to understand what's going on in my head better than anyone I actually know. 😄
Hard to find a more abstract function than Si in the dominant position when you realize one day that all you are sensing is just simply virtual. Also, it's impossible to find a more deeper, more mysterious, harder to discover function than dominant Si.
I find your approach to be very refreshing and a deeper more accurate explanation of personality type. I am a 63 year old INFP and have been following MBTI for a very long time. My husband is an ISTJ. My mother was an ISTJ married to my father, an INFP. I have often thought about how my husband and I are more alike than one might think, because of our function stack being so similar. I am Fi/Ne/Si/Te; where he is Si/Te/Fi/Ne. The older we get the more alike we become. We are a great team. You are spot on with this explanation. It makes me start wondering about how our Convergence and Divergence functions are the same. We have FiSi Convergent and Ne/Te Divergent. This seems to be true. However (and you may have said this) his Si and Te are much stronger than mine and my Fi/Ne is much stronger than his. This does seem to follow the typical MBTI functional stack explanation with having a dominant, secondary, tertiary, and fourth function. This is great stuff! I have just started watching your videos. I think/hope this CPT becomes the future of personality typing. It seems to be a much more accurate way of determining type. I like the fluidity of it as well.
you have the best grasp on mbti I've ever seen. Every video I've seen of yours is so interesting and educational. I'm an infp and I think this video perfectly encapsulates why I get along with istjs so well☺
Hi Harry, I discovered your channel during summer and finally came to the conclusion of being an isfp in october after many peripeties. Still, I can still relate to the istj in many aspect. Particularly, the divergent Te urging me to be the most competent one in the room and the whole standards of perfection (despite not always acting on them). One difference is that I don’t necessarily want other people to be good as their incompetence will make me shine brighter unless we are part of the same boat. Also, there is no way in hell I can put aside the pressure of the social atmosphere (I kinda envy that fe blindspot of theirs). Well, if you read this thank you for all and I am still CRAVING for an isfp video so that I can be absolutely certain of being one and let my heart settle on this type. - Probable isfp
for me the only accurate channel as of now re Jungian Cognitive Functions that coincide with real life behavioral observations. Thank you for this channel
So much needed video! Thank you for shedding light on our (INFPs) cognitive sibling type, ISTJ. Such a lovely and awesome type but kinda misunderstood. Can't wait to learn more about this type. Sending fellow FiSi love 😁💕
Earlier this year, I came to you in search for answers regarding typology. Your assesment, although hard to believe at first, stuck with me. And, after several other months of introspection, I'd realised how much your knowledge and wisdom had served as therapy for me. I pondered, searched for connections and meaning, only to embrace it at its fullest by the end. I was at a dark place when I sought you out, and now I can confidently say, thanks to your analysis, Im embarking on a job I would have never applied for if it werent for you. Thanks, Harry, you are truly a master in your craft. P.S- The awkard silences you mention have always been told to me as people respecting what I had to say, but my Fi knew differently. You couldn't have put it in better words.
So good to keep in mind that the strict reputation of the ISTJ isn't hinged on their dominant function but instead on external factors and experience as the ISTJ grows older. I have a theory that it's a combination of the positive affirmation they get from solving their problems with Te, as well as setting strong boundaries in agreement with their Fi-values & Ti- consistency of what makes sense to them - Ti being in the (I think well-named) critical parent function for them. This is something that, if I'm correct about my own type, I feel I have in common with ISTJs as we share all of those functions in the same places, and while I'm generally known to be easy-going, I have developed boundaries over the years that bend for no-one. And truth be told there's nothing wrong with enjoying solutions to problems or recognizing and standing by our Fi-values; I think the fallacy is in how we treat Ti if we wish to be particularly negative; it's good to remember that Ti is meant to be constructive for a lot of people and to give that right to those who are around us. I am, however, I will mention, speaking from the understanding that I currently have of the functions at present, so I am open to correction and may possibly change my stance in the future if new information comes to light 🙂
While listening to the descriptions, I can understand why some ISTPs believe themselves to be ISTJs. Due to the “ISTJ has no Ne” stereotypes and ISTP ‘Ne blindness, besides ISTPs realising their Fi attached to some murky Si, if they’re aware of that Great video as always, thank you a lot. I’ll be eagerly (but patiently) waiting for “Sings you’re actually an ISTP” video. I think this type (and mistyped confident INFJ) really needs that
Thank you so much for this video. People who are into MBTI usually think I’m an INTP, I’ve never been convinced because my Ti just doesn’t match up with the description…It’s been bothering me for awhile now, and the stereotype of the ISTJ as this robotic shell of a person was preventing me from true understanding. Thank you again!!
Omg Harry, while i was recently starting to suspect being an istj, you come you with the video and blow me away like you always do. This is definitely resonating strongly with me. Thanks for another great video and good luck with your studies!
what a great video! my mom is definitely an istj haha i was between istj and intj, and watched your other videos on this and this one concludes my internal debate - intj 🥰
well this was the only type I had my doubts with, between Intj and istj. And as much as I would love to be an actual ISTJ (the way it is described in this video), I came to the conclusion that I correspond better to an ENTJ within Cpt. .
Thank you very much for talking about the istj!!! thanks to this video I can finally know that I am of this type, unfortunately the stereotypes that abound are very far from what it really means to be an istj.
It's true that ISTJs and INTJs are generally more protective of their Fi conduct... Also, when it comes to relationship with the divergent stack, i've observed same things you talked about that INFPs and ISFPs have more of an antagonistic relationship with their Te, given that Te is highly divergent (which isn't always the case and it changes up when they turn on their Te dom modality, as they do have that side). While ISTJs and INTJs, the Te is there to serve and protect the Fi, rather than antagonize it. :)
This was a very good video! I am currently typing my friend who seems to be an Si dominant and that video will definitely help to figure it out along with the ISFJ one. I'd also like to add that I'd love to see a "5 signs you might be/are not an ISFP" video. The type has some overly simplistic stereotypes and I heavily relate to the FiNi/NiFi convergent pairing
Any ISTJs want to throw some of your SiFi and self concept my way? Harry, thanks for pointing out that SiFi and SiTi are very different; there's a tendency in the MBTI world to 'shove' all of the Si dominants in literally the one dimensional box. I'm wandering if what you said re the ISTJ and INFP is also applicable to me an ENFJ and my son an ESTP (I think); perhaps there's a genetic component to it.
I just realized that every time he speaks and curs he shakes his head side to side and then nods at the end of his sentences across every video if not most. I like that.
How I figured it out: I am 90% like an ISTP, just hate taking risks, am deliberate in stead of spontaneous and am more conscientious. I seem to be more interested in philosophy, politics and economics than any ISTP I know. Being typed LSi in socioniks & figuring out I'm enneagram type 6w5 also helped.
Hello, this was a very useful video. There isn't a lot of stereotype-free istj content on UA-cam because we have little to no presence there. I actually feel very intuitive for a sensor, I watched your intj vs istj video and it helped me a lot but I still have doubts about my level of intuitiveness. I'm very curious and enjoy new things, almost in an intp way I guess. I was wondering if you could do a type comparison of the two, please.
Here's the thing. Can ISTJ experience that same sense of "flow" and being on a ship in time, and timelessness? Because, that's about the only thing I am really confused about now.
I may be wrong in the evaluation of my own personality (INTJ) as of those of my coworkers but I think I once had ISTJ and ISFJ as teammates and while both were nice and fun people to be around (in that reserved, 'non-extroverted' way), I preferred to work with ISFJ due to their 'tighter logic'. They just instantly got what I was after and were super reliable in execution. ISTJ would generally be much faster than I to start producing something, and that something would look rather pretty, but more often than not I could not see how it was achieving the goal. I think this is consistent with your saying that they apply a more holistic, intuitive logic and for me everything has to be super precise (or I make make it very clear I am dealing with broad estimates or impressions). Although I would still say they are detail oriented (on the wrong details mainly :D but not always, they sometimes woke me up to things I ignored), it's just they like details in themselves and are less concerned with them being representaitons of nodes of an objective logic. I am always looking for this little detail that will break my (initially intuited but then filled with structure) perfect model or undermine definitions I came up with for goal achievement. They may not rush either but would be more likely to call done done... unless their Fi came very badly in the way.
Very interesting video, thank you. Is there any particular reason your most recent "5 reasons" videos have been FOR the possibility of being any particular type, when they used to be AGAINST others? Is it to offset the common tendency to mistype towards certain types and away from others? Or is it because you think this format is preferable in some way? If the latter is the case, have you considered re-approaching from this new perspective the types you've already covered in the old format?
After further pondering over I got the answer. In socionics Ti can be both positivistic + and negativistic- . Positivistic is maximizing while negativistic is minimizing. As applied to Ti which is defined as being structural logic by it when being Ti + it would be the maximization of a logic structure or implementing a standard of truth and for Ti- it would be the minimization of errors within a logical structure as in a relativistic view. ILI INTJs in socionics have Ti+ so they would look for maximizing structural coherence of a current structure and since it is in relation to Se+ as force they would impose such a standard as well once it would check out that coherence. While ISTJs have Ti- so their focus would be the minimization of errors within a logical structure and providing relativistic clauses for why a thing may not apply. For instance in relation to type not studying the phenomenon and finding it's structural logic by themselves but rejecting it based on relativistic scenarios such as type is an invention or is unrealistic. Coupled with Se- as force it would be a hesitation towards being introduced to a new objective framework in reality that would fuck up with their current worldview of what they considered "real" so far. So this ability of seeing and maximizing the coherence of a logic structure of a thing due to Ti+ of INTJs is opposite to the ISTJs minimization of errors of a logical structure due to Ti- . This makes it so that INTJs have an objective worldview of reality then indeed relying on the maximization of the available information through deductions while ISTJs rely on a relativistic worldview through selecting only the information that's most likely to be true and rejecting the rest in a given scenario. Ie. With the Typology example the ISTJ picks and chooses what he considers real and not real. Since Typology is associated with being an invention then he sees it as not real and as such it discards it. As accepting it would be to replace the current standard of what is real. Maybe even demanding more proof for it to justify rejecting it or at least connecting it with something similar as his current view of what "real" constitutes. While an INTJ would be accepting a realness factor only based on the coherence of a given framework. If Typology even if it is not proved yet it still holds true then it would take this hypothesis as being "real" merely based on the fact that it is coherent.
In Jung’s essay on the functions, he seemed to describe Ne dominants as people who are so focused on ideas that they are super detached from their internal feeling and values. Is this just something he exaggerated in order to convey the function or do you think it will truly be a problem in Ne doms lives to connect with others and themselves emotionally? Sorry for the long and somewhat unrelated question.
As an ENTP, if this might help you, I can say that : - Ideas are what stimulate me the most (with humor). I can find a joy in it that I wouldn't find elsewhere ; - Internal feeling : I genuinely do not understand what you mean by that ; - As for values : the ENTPs I know are not that preoccupied with that. Some are, don't get me wrong. In my case, for instance, I understand that values are necessary, because every philosophical system is based on a part of the unquestioned, and that certain principles can lead to results that are more humanly appreciable than others, but this vision of things is very cerebral. I think it is useful for society that certain common values are held, so that the world does not become a clash of individualities that no longer tolerate each other, but I think that the principles drawn from philosophical morality are the most applicable. All the ENTPs I know are social chameleons. They will not be with A the same way they are with B. In my case, I do not event know who I am behind all those layers. When asking people for informations about who I am, I receive descriptions that contradict each other. Anyway, it doesn't seem that important to me - Connection with others : what do you mean exactly ? - The ENTPs and ENFPs I know seem extremely different about values (ENFPs have Fi ; ENTPs have it as their blindspot) Please, do not hesitate to correct my sentences, as English is not my mother tongue. I would appreciate that
Thank you for the response! First, “internal feeling” was a bit of a typo. I meant internal feelings, and I just meant their internal emotional landscape. Also, by connection with others I meant their ability to relate to other people on an emotional level. Your English is excellent by the way.
@@benh2678 ENFJ here with a similar Fi-Si blindspot. I'm a divergent ENFJ so behind the Fe-Se facade I too find establishing who I am behind this difficult. Also, as I'm more cerebrally inclined (it must be the fluid Fe-Ti axis) I tend to revert to cerebral perspective when 'thinking' about my emotions; emotional contingency is pretty much out of the window. I find this mindset is ironically a super power that propels we forward as I often feel emotionally 'numb' (I have alexithymia which appears to be an extreme Ti thing) but also hinders my self concept & leads to frequent periods of imposter syndrome. I've been talking to a few ENTPs and this appears to be a commonality between the two types, to a degree. Your English is better than mine by the way!
Now that you meantion ISTJs and ISFJs are radically different, what would you say are the most similar types? Mz twins: dominant function is the same, everything else changes Neighbours: Extrovert vs introvert version of the same cognitive functions, such as INTJ vs ENTP, or ISFP vs ESFJ Brothers: The first two functions are the same but in different order, such as ENTP vs INTP, INFJ vs ENFJ etc etc Dz twins: they share the same functinos and orientation but a different attitude, such as ISTJ and INFP, or INTP and ISFJ
It's interesting that you mention MZ twins; both my sister & I are identical twins and we're both ENFJs albeit I'm a divergent subtype and she has more of the default cognition and a less fluid axis...Not that I'm being negativistic here, her Fi-Si and divergent Si-Ti are far more conscious than mine. I think a twin study is a fantastic idea!
I'd say there are multiple similar types rather than most similar. ISFJ, ESFP, INTJ, ENFJ, INFP... all of these networks seem to interact with each other more than ISFJ ISTJ Some interesting thoughts here! I don't have a lot of twin data but I've seen cases of the same authority function with different pairings.
Excellent discussion and helpful. Would be much better to understand if I could hear it well enough. On my PC I have the UA-cam volume all the way up, Windows volume all the way up and my speakers all the way up and still had a major problem hearing.
Since both theories stem from the same source there's a big overlap and a type in CPT tends to be the same in MBTI. However, CPT is entirely cognitive function based. There are no dichotomies here and the system largely rejects the idea of Si dominants being Sensing>Intuitive etc. There's also quite a few more dimensions e.g. convergence, lens-codec pairings, etc. But short answer yes!
@@CognitivePersonality Does your CPT system more closer to Jungian's typing system or Isabel Briggs's mbti instrument for typing someone based on cognitive elements?
I don't know if you'd like to be called so but you're my personality typing guru. PS - If you could please repost this with louder audio it would be a great help. Thanks.
6:50 what do you mean by saying: "INFP places emphasis upon changing FI to facilitate a harder SI perspective whereas the ISTJ changes upon SI perspective in order to facilitate a harder FI"?
That means infp has creative Fi, rigid Si, like it is what it is, the internal experience doesn't change and more as a guide/goal. Istj has creative Si, meaning try to expand their internal experience in order to gain certain value that is desired (rigid Fi).
I really admire ISTJs in concept, what they stand for, and it shows in the corporate world. Easily promoted, unwavering resolve. Practically tho, they generally don’t make great managers when they get to the top. It must be a stress response to the position, they often micromanage and not trust their delegation enough to let them have the responsibility to decide. ESTJs, who should be more annoying (at least on paper), generally make for better managers, in my opinion. They don’t mind potential damages as much so long as they can fix it; they’re more lenient to people’s mistakes. ISTJs seem to be too preventative to the point that it’s suffocating, most of the time. Note: I don’t know if my assessment is correct, I may have mistyped them for all I care. Would be great if I were corrected if that’s the case.
I like this video so much! If you don't mind, I want to ask your permission to share it to other websites in China, for the embarrassing reason that UA-cam is blocked from accessing in China. Of course, I will give sources to the original website. Thank you very much!
What would be some of the similarities and differences between the ISTJ and the ESTP? Or would that be coming up in a video at some point in the future?
Both tend to be stabilisers in their own way, but ESF-Ts tend to operate more according to probabilities, and have less of a drive to make risk assessments etc. The SF values tend to be similar as do the logical pattern thought processes, but the ISF-T tends to prioritise internal image construction and vice versa for the ESF-T
@@CognitivePersonality thank you very much, the way each personality type has their own similarities and differences while it might be hard to tell, make each type interesting in their own way.
I have a lot of points to adress now. 5:49 It depends on the achievements. This is a vague statement. I guess that this would be shared between the two ITJs types due to their Te codec authority. However the differences that I can see are in relation to their Ne and Se lenses respectively that they are assigned to. Te as an authority function in relation to Ne as a broad lens I think would be able to have a broader sense of development and thus more coverage of an area. For instance I noticed personalities like Tech Lead or Warren Buffet who I think are ISTJs possessing this quality. As for the Te authority in relationship to the Se lens would yield a type to be highly specialized in a field focusing on mastery such as Dario Nardi or Brain XYZ or even Cognitive Typology channels for instance who I think all 3 of them are INTJs. This is in relationship to their divergent pairings. The contrasting view also presents itself in terms of their convergent pairings. The Ni internal broad lens attached to an Fi codec yields for the type to be highly aware of an internal worldview where each variable is taken into account. This lends to the adoption of highly universalistic concepts such as Dario Nardi is proposing by bringing concepts from the eastern religions and mixing them with science and type. As for the Si specific lens in relation to an Fi codec it lends the type to be highly focused on his own priorities such in the form of personal principles. In this way the difference is locality Si-Fi vs broadness Ni-Fi in terms of identity and multi faceted development Te-Ne vs Te-Se mastery. The Si-Fi locality combination plus the Te-Ne multi faceted development for an ISTJ I could ascribe it as being like a star that's highly stable in its core but which expands outwards through its rays. It's mass also allows for other celestial bodies to orbit it through gravity. As such we have the illustration of a self sufficient micro system such as a star that's dependable for the planets that orbit around it and thus a macro system such as a solar system is created through it. The Ni-Fi broadness combination plus Te-Se mastery for an INTJ I could ascribe it to an electromagnetic wave or light that's amplified to increase its potential for impact as in the form of a laser which is concentrated light. Unfortunately I don't have an illustration for this one. :( However I mentioned about Dario Nardi, Cognitive Typology, and Brain XYZ. The samples themselves are highly confusing because they still have differences. For Dario Nardi I would necessarily say that he is a divergent subtype due to his focus on mastery within his field of neuroscience. For Cognitive Typology may actually be a convergent type having strengthened the Ni domminant-Fi convergent auxiliary. Even if he affirms that he's an INTP I still see a lot of traces of convergent Fi and Ni rather than Ti and Si. As for Brain XYZ I would say that he's a diver subtype having the Ti sub authority-Si strengthened. For contrasting examples of those in terms of INTPs. Chris "The Brain" is an actual convergent Ti-Si INTP subtype and Sam from CSJ team is an example of a divergent Te-Ne subtype and also Carl Jung or Yuri Bezmenov for diver subtypes. So that would eliminate the possibility for Cognitive Typology being a convergent INTP subtype or Brain XYZ being a diver subtype. Leaving them to be INTJs convergent and diver subtypes. All things properly categorized as they should be! Okay that sounded pretty INTPish itself or maybe ISTJish. Hmmm... I want to say more to keep this going but I don't know what else to say. I said pretty much everything there is to say. What do you think Harry about this analysis ? Also I have another question. I don't use personal principles or morals since I see them as limiting but I do use a personalized set of ethics. The reason for not using morals is because they account for one party that is me. However they seem arbitrary in the sense that without feedback I don't know how I should conduct myself. I rather rely on ethics which depends on two parties . I guess that I prefer this approach because it allows me to see changes within a dynamic and be able to adapt when needed whereas for morals I have to blindly follow a certain path without actually being able to change it -> or symbiosis->a person doesn't want to reciprocate then I end the interaction Sanctum proxime->unilateral convention->we establish both the terms that each one wants in such a dynamic and if are willing to respect it and follow through->if those are not respected then I can give chances but ultimately it is the person will that decides if it stays in or not. If it decides that it doesn't want to stay anymore then this too is abolished and reverts back to basic symbiosis. Sanctum sanctorum->bilateral convention->I present my basic needs and the person has to accept it or not. If it doesn't accept it then the convention is not abolished but it reverts back to the sanctum proxime one. If it accept it then I fully accept them as well and start integrating them into my being. I didn't actually implement this because I still see things as lacking and doesn't account for all situations. But my approach overall is democratic. So far what cognition did I use and combination convergent Ni-Fi, Ti-Si, or Si-Ti or maybe even Fi-Si?
I would say Si-Fi…you yourself gave the imagery of a star whose point mass allows for the rays of the mass to expand outward; then a solar system is formed around it… then you literally described that SAME EXACT THING in how you process your social/ethical sanctum -- as a series of concentric circles. So… you described it before you referred to your anecdotal organization of your personal system. So… in your personal VIEW of things, your perception of the ISTJ is the very thing you described about yourself. But your ability to generate that likeness tells me that you sort of transposed your own being into the “image” of the ISTJ… which means, you’re only understanding the ISTJ through your personal lens. So you’re seeing yourself in the ISTJ, but that doesn’t make you one. It just means that that’s how you view them because that is how you can relate. Funny enough, I think that implies that you are “Ni-Ti”ing the Si-Fi. You are striking me as a possible real ISTP… Maybe even ESTP, with your focus on so many details. MAYBE even INFJ, if you feel strongly in letting others speak and you really don’t prefer to interrupt, but you’re confident in presentation. You’re also really pushy… maybe even ESTP. You blew right through Harry’s request for you to email him or get a specific service from him - instead, continuing to try to use his brain for yourself completely for free. I mean… you BLEW right through him and wrote another book. Which is fine to write a book, but you didn’t acknowledge his request at all… So, while you’re entertaining in your elucidations (and, I admit, I share quite a bit with how you process - even down to the going to the LATIN or other origins of words to provide anchoring for deep understanding and imagery…) then… I have to say - ENTJ or ESTP are my primary picks for you. The selfish blow through, though… makes me think more like ESTP. I wouldn’t be THAT forward. I may think of it, but I would then think of all that Harry has on his plate and realize how his work should be paid for if I’m going to use it… That could just be my maturity and understanding of real life. But I feel bad for him that he has to ignore you to keep his sanity, even though he would enjoy time with you if you yourself were more… Symbiotic. So… You’re very, very smart, and proof that ESTPs shouldn’t be underestimated - and you use your Fe in direct face to face interactions, but without that face to face, your Se has no “face” to inspire its Fe auxiliary, causing you to push and reveal your Fi intentions through your Ti frameworks. So, you’re coming across as an ENTJ because you’re ESFPing your functions online as an ESTP - and you are Ti-Feing in reality; but giddily-so because you’ve had enough push back from family or friends about your aggressiveness and loudness when you were younger… causing you to short-circuit and become slower than your Dad at some of those games - but you would be INFINITELY faster if you weren’t holding back your aggressiveness like you know people need (because you really never meant any harm by it) - causing you to fall into your Ti-Ni more often to keep others’ protected from yourself (Fe aux). Those are some of my assumptions based on reading your comments, which are intriguing. You could be ENTJ… But I like the ESTP fit for you better so far. What do I know? I’m quite Individuated due to do much growth before I even got into this stuff… so nailing down ENTJ for me is as close as I have gotten right now (as I’m considered INTJ by a few - but I have some of the qualities… not nearly as immature as they are made to be sometimes, though)… And I’ve gotten there SIMPLY because I have A MISSION. And when that’s going off the rails at all, I do TEND to blame others or my environment more than I should blame myself… this is TRAUMA induced. I’m no fool, it’s selfish and I’m ACTIVELY tearing my own ass up over it. But I relate to the HATING chaotic environments - but not just any chaotic environment… when there are kids I have to be responsible for (I have 5) and there is constant potential for danger or constant nonsense babbling or constant chewing like a cow… LOL yeah. It grinds my gears. It’s hard for me to let the kids be kids in some ways. I am so FOCUSED on my mission, though.. which is oddly a little fuzzy, but at the same time kind of absolute. I relate to you a bunch. Many things you said resonate with me. Maybe you’re an ambivert ENTJ like Harry said? I’m very much a mostly individuated ENTJ STYLE person… something like that… cognitive function tests won’t LET ME tell the truth. Their coding rejects my choices as too contradictory or not informative enough. Because they’re useless. I AM REAL. LOL. Excuse the poor grammar and structure. I’m typing quickly on the phone, autocorrect is a DEMON FROM THE NEWLY FORMED 11th PLANE OF HELL called TECH, and I have kids yelling for my attention… as always. Little buggers. I could be way off… who knows. I don’t know. Maybe I am INTJ. But… NOT LIKE the ones they portray. I get caught up between ENTJ, INTJ, ESTP, ISTP, INFJ, sometimes INTP or ENTP, but not completely… or maybe! But I feel a VERY strong connection to my Ni. And I simply use machines instantly like they’re an extension of my body… my BODY is an extension of my brain. It’s NOTHING for me to learn a new skill. Just the large size of my hands caused me to have to work around some slightly modified forms for playing the guitar… (I can play bass like it’s a guitar… but I’m only 5’10”….. RIGHT??) But I also untie the smallest knots with these things. I can do things others struggle with BODY AND MIND… and Heart. So much lack of empathy in a world full of emotions… there’s just too much Fi self-righteousness in the world. Which is why it’s highly repressed in me, along with some aspects of Si. But my memory is incredibly strong and detailed to have a truly devalued Si. But my Ni is INTENSE and intensely right very, very often… but I can ALMOST ALWAYS EXPLAIN my insights. My wife said to me, “What if it’s not necessarily intuition.. not to say you don’t have it… but what if you just think so quickly and automatically that it FEELS like intuition to you? Because when you explain it, it is indeed insightful and unique; but then it actually makes sense.” Yes… but I DON’T KNOW that until I begin to explain it. I find the reasons right after; WHILE I’m talking. If I’m not talking, I very much get a holistic view and it’s very universal and very… hmm.. like I’m tapping into the “Time” or substrate which belies the entirety of the universe, inside and out; such that everything feels like a minor variation of the exact same thing - like fractals, but even cleaner and less confusing sometimes. But then I start to speak, those smooth fractals take on much more detailed forms and I can follow that Yellow Brick Road ALL THE WAY to behind the curtain; and I can point at the Wizard and say, “Yeah. I knew you were there. I just had to MAKE SURE.”
@@TarzanHedgepeth There are a few errors that I noticed in your analysis. First of all you assume that I have a Se-Fe convergent and Ti-Ni divergent pair as that of an ESTP, but then you claim that I have a divergent Fe-Se and convergent Ti-Ni pair as that of an ISTP or INFJ. And lastly, you claim that I'm an ENTJ but it wouldn't fit with either a convergent or divergent Fe-Se pair as it doesn't have those. Second, I'm aware of the star thingy. I wanted to see feedback if anyone would notice that the presentation that I'm using is actually what I'm doing as well, and to see the likely interpretations behind what people think in relation to that and what it tells about me. You could say that I'm an attention grabber with my theories, sure. However, I'm quick to disengage once I see that a person is not interested. When I post something or say something, I don't do it with the explicit purpose to force someone into a conversation with me. Rather, I express it in the medium by which I wait for who wants to engage in it. Then it is the choice of the one who engages in it if he wants to continue or to disengage. In this way, I respect the freewill of the other person, which is the opposite of an aggressive approach. So, I'm not aggressive in my approach. I'm tactical and wait for the right opportunity. However, I don't force it. This two-way path involving both my initiative and response of the other party in forming this dynamic I call a symbiotic approach. So, it's quite far from not being symbiotic since upon engaging in a conversation with me, I wait for the response of the other party. As for the loud aspect. Trust me, I'm way more silent in my extroverted speech form than in my introverted writing format. In my extroverted form I internalize everything and don't have the chance to react quickly enough when I speak, but instead I'm way more reductionist and concise as I say little. In my introverted form my thoughts start to crystallize and expand themselves as in writing for instance. The two approaches are complementary. The extroverted form allows me to gain exposure by which it gets internalized, and then it crystallizes via introversion into something else.
As a thought experiment, read what I wrote not as an analysis, but as fishing. Then read your response to me. I am getting Ti Si Ne Fe vibes from you. What do you think about INTP?
@@TarzanHedgepethSure, if you want to look at it from an exploration pov then I would say that you may be right in the fact that I use Fe, but I have a theory for why that is the case. If you have read Akhromant, you would see that he proposes that the auxiliary function is of the same orientation as the dominant. So if we have an INTJ, then the actual stack would be: Ni Ti Fe Se The dominant and auxiliary function would represent the conscious orientation, while the actual tertiary and inferior would represent the unconscious. So, an INTJ would technically have Fe as more or less conscious, as it is right at the bridge between the conscious Ni dominant and unconscious Se inferior. Since I tend to switch from conscious/unconscious with Fe, this could be linked to the convergent/divergent modality within Harry system. Which would mean that Fe becomes a point of responsibility while at the same time being a point of free expression. Since I don't solely have it as a point of responsibility unlike a divergent user with it as Fe authority or Fe inferior and I don't entirely express it fully either since I'm still self-conscious of it, as a convergent Fe dominant user or Fe auxiliary. That would show that my Fe is both conscious and unconscious at the same time, and that it is neither as a divergent authority function or inferior or convergent dominant or auxiliary. But that it is both convergent and divergent. And yes, I considered the possibility of being an INTP. However, I don't relate with other INTPs either. I'm way more free expressing myself than them. So, this would then show that Fe would be my tertiary as both a responsibility but also free expression. But not according to the original Pe-Ji-Je-Pi mbti stack, but according to Akhromant interpretation of Pi-Ji-Je-Pe. Which would make it to be my actual tertiary.
@@novaimperialis Yeah, I totally dig it, but as Harry rightfully points out and has corrected… the INFJ is the INT-Fs. And… actually, Ni Ti Fe Se would be INTP in the Jungian… because Ni is a perceiving function… So, the Jungian INTP IS THE MBTI INFJ. And INFJ is a good fit for what you’re saying… or, more accurately “INTP” for the Ni, then Ti, then Fe, then Se… The Ti Ni Se Fe is basically a “Jungian” INTJ, or the MBTI ISTP… And I’m sure I’ve read Akhomet, but he’s not needed if you read Chapter X of Psychological Types yourself. Jung points out that the auxiliary follows the dominant in attitude (I or E); and FUNNY ENOUGH, does NOT demand that the differentiated functions must ever extravert… in fact, one could theoretically differentiate 3 functions, and they would be introverted… even though, that begs a lot of questions and gets messy… So, to keep it neat… And then, if we take the MBTI dichotomies and “label” an individual who possesses the Jungian functions in a particular, using the same method - then the dominant function is the one that determines the “J” or “P” letter. Of course, in MBTI, it’s the first Extraverted function… so a dominant Extraverted Thinker will be a J, and an “auxiliary” Extraverted Thinker would be a J for introverts… but SINCE the true format is II-EE, if you were to take the functions Ni Ti Fe Se… you have to call it an INFJ because Extraverted feeling is the first Extraverted function. That’s the pattern. But I PREFER that it should be called INTP to be consistent with how the Extraverts are also labeled…. The first function determines J or P. But since their method is that it is the FIRST EXTRAVERTED FUNCTION in both Extraverted and introverted individuals… then ENFJ is Fe Se Ni Ti; INFJ is Ni Ti Fe Se… Yeah. So… I don’t know why Ahkamet would say “INTJ” for NI Ti Fe Se, because the rule for MBTI isn’t the SECOND function for Introverted, but the FIRST EXTRAVERTED FUNCTION. I think he’s taken the pattern of it being the second function instead of understanding why they actually used the second function for introverts in MBTI… But Jung didn’t label types like this anyway. They were simply “An Extraverted Thinker augmented with a creative intuition” or something like that… we’d say “ESTJ” but they would really be an ENTJ, or, as Harry rightfully fixes it, “ETN-Sf”. I think what’s he calls it… anyway. Yeah. It’s “E” for extraversion, then T for dominant Thinking, then N for aux Intuition, then a dash denoting the dip into the unconscious or the typically undifferentiated, in this case, the introvert; and then auxiliary sensing, and then opposing feeling denotes by a lower case f. I think that’s his pattern… Anyway. Yeah. But… when I said I got some Ti-Si vibes with your last response, I meant it. SO… I guess I mean to say, how does “ISTJ” (in the alternate accurate label framework… Ti is dominant, therefore ITJ, Sensing aux, therefore ISTJ…) or, INTP in MBTI, or ITS-Nf in Harry’s labeling. Or, if you want, in Ahkamet’s odd style, ISTP (since the aux function is a perceiving function and he seems to think that the J/P is based on the second function and not the dominant function or the first Extraverted function, according to what you said…) Because Si is strong with you as well. But that’s what dipping is for, I suppose. But your willingness to be open to taking my original comment through the alternate lens I offered is nearly PROOF of Ni. So… Yeah, probably INFJ for you. Or what I think should be called the INTP… or what Ahkamet oddly calls INTJ… Ni Ti Fe Se… good fit for you so far. Your Fe is likely not opposing and what you say about chaos does indicate a Se opposing… I relate some, but I use Se so well. Then again, I was forced to a lot by a lot of highly traumatic events, so. And I’m not sure what this all just said about me. I didn’t sleep very well and I keep being interrupted. 😭 Please forgive any lack of linearity. I’m very overwhelmed right now. Thanks for the entertaining and the fun responses! And for being cool.
This not related to this specific video, but I must say that your system of explaining cognitive functions makes much more sense than whatever you read on sites like psychologyjunkie and such. The real dichotomies are Not Se vs Si but Se vs Ne And Si vs Ni Not Fi vs Fe but Fi vs Ti And Fe vs Te Other explanations especially botch Ne vs Ni, as in their explanations, both seem like almost the same function. What I also often see, like you stated in your functions explained video, that Ni is described with Si (that Ni is focused and Ne is the function seeking out possibilities). It just doesnt make sense, as it becomes very difficult to distinguish Ni & Si and Ni & Ne. Im now much more able to distinguish my type, as Ive struggled with it alot before, going from INTJ to INTP, back to INTJ, to INFJ and now im on the fence between INFJ and ISTP. I know where the INTJ came from, as I am adept at, for instance, interior design and taking the leading role in group projects, being focused on efficiency and ending up doing 80% of the work myself since most of the work delivered by group members doesnt live up to my standards. But, this Te comes from a Ti perspective, as I implement these systems based on my own stances, disregarding external data for the most part (what I view as efficient rather than what is generally or commonly regarded as such). The indecisiveness between ISTP mainly comes from me having a very highly developed Ti, and Im not sure on the positions of Fe and Se. I tend to absorb emotions and be heavily affected by social disharmony, but I do not conform to group consensus per se if I feel it is counterintuitive, inefficient or does not make sense. What does not really help is my neurodivergence (ASD), but I feel like Im coming closer to the conclusion, and that is all thanks to your explanations!
Hmm... I resonate with a lot of things yet I don't feel drawn to the mystical at all and that part sounds important(?). How could someone differentiate Ni-Ti/Si-Ti in their own cognition?
I wouldn't say the mystical draw is a main point and was more of a side note. The point was more than ISTJs seem more likely to be drawn to the mystical than INTJs (just some CPT myth busting!)
Think Ni = holistic perception assigned to an objective codec & SiTi logical specificity (much like the INTP albeit the attitudes flipped). I'm a conscious Ni-Ti user but have a highly developed Si-Ti subnetwork (net work hoping ; this is my belief and observed by CPT) so you could perhaps, for example, be an INFJ or ISTJ where both are highly conscious which may be why you're having difficulty compartmentalising the two in your own psyche? I've actually seen a few ISTJs typed as such with INFJ given as their second most likely type...As we're fluid beings it adds another layer of nuance and complexity into the mix. So much for denigrating the so called 'sensors' hey, I'm sure it's my Ni authority speaking but these kind of attitudes, as a side note, really peave me off in the MBTI community 😊
So far I do believe I'm an ISFP until I saw this video, except for the first one which I don't know if I have it or not, the rest are true to me, would Te competency/efficiency and viewpoint differ between ISTJ and ISFP? And can you please make a video about ISFP, I'm so looking forward to it.
I've been typed as both types you mention and someone on Quora other than the one who typed me ISTJ typed me INFP. The ISFP typing came from an e-friend, who typed my self-insert in a fanfic of mine that way. All these people type INFP on tests, but my e-friend used to test INFJ, but people told her to loosen up, so she relaxed to INFP, she says. Only my e-friend uses UA-cam, to my knowledge of these. ISFP's the most intuitive sensor, because Fi's kind of an intuitive function and the tertiary Ni the IS_P types carry.
I'm lucky to have people helping out with transcripts but they tend not to be done until later! That's why the newer videos tend not to have them immediately :)
Wonderful video! Quick question, Harry, I wanted to inquire you on how the order of a convergent/divergent stack affects how a specific type operates. For example, I believe myself to be an INTJ which has convergent Ni-Fi but how does that differ from an ISFP which has convergent Fi-Ni?
Thanks! This is a codec Vs lens dominant question - the focus on NiFi is to change perspective, whereas the focus of FiNi is to transform and reform Fi. The NiFi individual tends to be therefore less focused upon radical self transformation and more focused upon an ever expanding view.
Ive been confused on which one i may be for a while, isfp or istj. Ik that seems strange but ik you would see what i mean maybe lol If you ever ran out of content you should totally just compare completely random types to one another
both are convergent Fi and Si, its just switched up (FiSi+ vs SiFi+) the former is judging, in a sense that FiSi its more like restructuring your limbic aspect, whether its identity or value, in a sense there is an agenda, in INFP its often for trying to snychronizing with world around them, being amiable, the later is more perceiving, or experential, they prefer to close to the identity without much agenda at first, its like holding something and look at it closely, and you grow attached to it/become meaningful, thats their Fi, like doubling down on what they perceive, like screaming this is me and my identity
@@adamkhair118 Would you mind giving me a concrete example of how it would manifest differently in both types? That might help me understand it a bit more, thanks! :)
@@adamkhair118 thanks for the correction. Both are convergent. From the video, sign no 2: Fi dominant will change it's moral value product in order to satisfy what's subjectively right specifically (Si agenda). So for infp, the experience is less enjoyed than the self value. So self value is more adjustable, meaning more relaxed and adaptive towards uncertainty. What is perceived specifically, e.g. certain feeling/experience are the input to enjoy of creating moral code/Fi/internal subjective harmony Si dominant will tend to circle around with it's moral value (Fi) and enjoy/focus more experiential occurrences. I guess it's like giving value to certain experience, and then do it for the sake of the experience itself primarily. So it's like the self value as a guide to enjoy Si experience.
@@Revna_Engel the other thing that differentiate infp and istj is that istj will accept any experiential things as it is, then conclude from what is available, what's best personal moral code that fit the person. infp will tend to overthink about everything, analyze in their own way in order to come up best subjective internal value, which could potentially be new/innovative type of self value.
@@Revna_Engel i guess the simplest way to differentiate infp and istj is by asking whether you concern more towards the experiential matter or the personal value. What is the changeable product, is it the meaningful thing itself or the personal value itself.
I'm sorry if this is out of topic, but could perhaps consider typing Jordan Peterson? There's a never ending debate about his type and I came to the conclusion that he's an ESFJ, but I'd like to hear your opinion on this since I very much respect you and your theory. ❤
Harry of you're reading the comments, i'm just wondering, which cognitive type to you think Anna Karenina is? Cause she's typed as enfj/enfp on PD...but she seems quite Fi convergent to me. Not saying that enfj isn't possible tho. Curious about your opinion.
Okay, so to sum up points, you're ISTJ if:
1. You have strong imagination
2. You have strong, unshakeable convictions + You easily take pride in your achievements
3. You exist in a state of competition with yourself + You hold yourself to high standard, and may even hold others to equally high standard
4. You tend to be hyper aware of consequences and risks + You have a naturally strategic mind, which sometimes resists exploration of the unknown
5. You are not swayed by other people's Fe + You have difficulty fitting into the broader collective + You tend to struggle with musical social exchanges
I'm not really following point 5. Could you give an example of what Musical Social Exchanges are?
I imagine point number five means emotional by musical - emotional, expressive, etc
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Bingo!
I think i am an istj.
But i couldn't relate with point 1 2.
I rarely imagine things. When i do i just not strong.
No. 2 my conviction is shakeable, every time there's logical explanation and feeling, or prove, my conviction would fade.
I really hate small talk for long time, but actually enjoy that too for short time.
Harry, if you ever read this, thank you so much for creating this CPT system, I see this as the actual Mbti, let's say the evolution of Jungian system, I truly hope this gets to be the norm, for most people engaged with "Mbti" know very little of how this actually works
Ditto it's really reinvigorated my interest in Jungian typology. I lost hope in finding my type and utilising it for individuation as the 'MBTI norm' was simply too simplistic and one dimensional. I'm an ENFJ (typed by CPT) and before encountering CPT had considered myself at one time or another, an INTP, ENTP and INTJ 😂. Actually the INTJ makes sense with the divergent thinking & convergent feeling and I guess Ti dominant as my axis is fluid but still, on the whole, I was very blind to my blindspots & dominant pairing. I've found it's given me a new found appreciation for all the cognitive types & to realise how interconnected we all actually are 😊
I make your words, mine. I completely agree. I'm extremely happy that I was able to find this channel.
@@AnyaAnnika67 were you wrong when you wrote this comment.... because your username is ISTP was it always that or did you change it ??
this video is awesome. i’ve recently been typed as an esfj by a cpt enthusiast, and I have to say i really dislike the horrible stereotypes SJ types get branded with. I’m glad this channel exists to dispel them🎉
Hello fellow Fe dom 😊! My immediate clinical manager and friend is an ESFJ; the similarities between the ESFJ and ENTP, for example, are hardly ever mentioned. The ESFJs Si-Ti divergence is not to be underestimated either; as an ENFJ with ADHD mine is hardly conscious so feel free to throw some of that Si-Ti- my way! I don't know about you but I was initially surprised to be typed as an Fe dominant - the Fe 'lovey dovey' and 'people pleaser' stereotypes are far removed from who I am as a person; most of the ESFJs I know are pretty ferocious (albeit fair) and are vast store houses of acquired knowledge. I find that ESFJs are often the quickest at acquiring new skills and learning new concepts whereas I'm pretty slow. It's so invigorating to see that these nonsensical stereotypes are being actively questioned, I just wish this understanding was reaching the MBTI community at a faster rate.
I often get told I'm borderline masochistic. I like difficult things because they teach you something. I absolutely adore philosophy, I have a wide collection of books I paid too much for that I'm slowly making my way through.
People get ISTJ way wrong. SJ types in general are always last. We're not that bad!
I can see this type being greatly misunderstood around the community, unfortunately. So this video is great for those who are actually istjs however don't relate to many descriptions out there. I have one in my family and I could see many of his actions and behavior in this analysis.
I am an ISTJ, and my niece is an INFP. We are so similar my sister has always said that she has my child. My Fi is very strong, and I resonate so much with INFPs that I've often wondered if I've been wrong about being an ISTJ, but my preference for Te over Ne assures me that I am one. This is a great video, and it's honestly a little creepy that you seem to understand what's going on in my head better than anyone I actually know. 😄
Hard to find a more abstract function than Si in the dominant position when you realize one day that all you are sensing is just simply virtual.
Also, it's impossible to find a more deeper, more mysterious, harder to discover function than dominant Si.
Dude, no kidding. It's like "Is my reality even reality anymore?"
I always say ISTJ is the most misunderstood type! Thanks for this.
Thank you for have a little time on ISTJs. That means a lot to many!
I find your approach to be very refreshing and a deeper more accurate explanation of personality type. I am a 63 year old INFP and have been following MBTI for a very long time. My husband is an ISTJ. My mother was an ISTJ married to my father, an INFP. I have often thought about how my husband and I are more alike than one might think, because of our function stack being so similar. I am Fi/Ne/Si/Te; where he is Si/Te/Fi/Ne. The older we get the more alike we become. We are a great team. You are spot on with this explanation. It makes me start wondering about how our Convergence and Divergence functions are the same. We have FiSi Convergent and Ne/Te Divergent. This seems to be true. However (and you may have said this) his Si and Te are much stronger than mine and my Fi/Ne is much stronger than his. This does seem to follow the typical MBTI functional stack explanation with having a dominant, secondary, tertiary, and fourth function. This is great stuff! I have just started watching your videos. I think/hope this CPT becomes the future of personality typing. It seems to be a much more accurate way of determining type. I like the fluidity of it as well.
you have the best grasp on mbti I've ever seen. Every video I've seen of yours is so interesting and educational. I'm an infp and I think this video perfectly encapsulates why I get along with istjs so well☺
Hi Harry, I discovered your channel during summer and finally came to the conclusion of being an isfp in october after many peripeties.
Still, I can still relate to the istj in many aspect. Particularly, the divergent Te urging me to be the most competent one in the room and the whole standards of perfection (despite not always acting on them).
One difference is that I don’t necessarily want other people to be good as their incompetence will make me shine brighter unless we are part of the same boat.
Also, there is no way in hell I can put aside the pressure of the social atmosphere (I kinda envy that fe blindspot of theirs).
Well, if you read this thank you for all and I am still CRAVING for an isfp video so that I can be absolutely certain of being one and let my heart settle on this type.
- Probable isfp
ISFP coming up!
for me the only accurate channel as of now re Jungian Cognitive Functions that coincide with real life behavioral observations. Thank you for this channel
So much needed video! Thank you for shedding light on our (INFPs) cognitive sibling type, ISTJ. Such a lovely and awesome type but kinda misunderstood. Can't wait to learn more about this type. Sending fellow FiSi love 😁💕
Earlier this year, I came to you in search for answers regarding typology. Your assesment, although hard to believe at first, stuck with me. And, after several other months of introspection, I'd realised how much your knowledge and wisdom had served as therapy for me.
I pondered, searched for connections and meaning, only to embrace it at its fullest by the end.
I was at a dark place when I sought you out, and now I can confidently say, thanks to your analysis, Im embarking on a job I would have never applied for if it werent for you.
Thanks, Harry, you are truly a master in your craft.
P.S- The awkard silences you mention have always been told to me as people respecting what I had to say, but my Fi knew differently. You couldn't have put it in better words.
Hey Jay, this was really awesome to read. Congrats on the new direction and I hope it goes well!!
Thank you so much for this video. I would have considered myself an istj, but after watching the video, I'm kinda unsure now. Love it :D
So good to keep in mind that the strict reputation of the ISTJ isn't hinged on their dominant function but instead on external factors and experience as the ISTJ grows older. I have a theory that it's a combination of the positive affirmation they get from solving their problems with Te, as well as setting strong boundaries in agreement with their Fi-values & Ti- consistency of what makes sense to them - Ti being in the (I think well-named) critical parent function for them. This is something that, if I'm correct about my own type, I feel I have in common with ISTJs as we share all of those functions in the same places, and while I'm generally known to be easy-going, I have developed boundaries over the years that bend for no-one. And truth be told there's nothing wrong with enjoying solutions to problems or recognizing and standing by our Fi-values; I think the fallacy is in how we treat Ti if we wish to be particularly negative; it's good to remember that Ti is meant to be constructive for a lot of people and to give that right to those who are around us.
I am, however, I will mention, speaking from the understanding that I currently have of the functions at present, so I am open to correction and may possibly change my stance in the future if new information comes to light 🙂
It's a good theory!
While listening to the descriptions, I can understand why some ISTPs believe themselves to be ISTJs.
Due to the “ISTJ has no Ne” stereotypes and ISTP ‘Ne blindness, besides ISTPs realising their Fi attached to some murky Si, if they’re aware of that
Great video as always, thank you a lot. I’ll be eagerly (but patiently) waiting for “Sings you’re actually an ISTP” video. I think this type (and mistyped confident INFJ) really needs that
Thank you so much for this video. People who are into MBTI usually think I’m an INTP, I’ve never been convinced because my Ti just doesn’t match up with the description…It’s been bothering me for awhile now, and the stereotype of the ISTJ as this robotic shell of a person was preventing me from true understanding. Thank you again!!
Enlightening, Many thanks.
I wish next one would be for the ISFP.
Omg Harry, while i was recently starting to suspect being an istj, you come you with the video and blow me away like you always do. This is definitely resonating strongly with me. Thanks for another great video and good luck with your studies!
what a great video!
my mom is definitely an istj haha
i was between istj and intj, and watched your other videos on this
and this one concludes my internal debate - intj 🥰
we will see, maybe finally I will find my real type
well this was the only type I had my doubts with, between Intj and istj. And as much as I would love to be an actual ISTJ (the way it is described in this video), I came to the conclusion that I correspond better to an ENTJ within Cpt.
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Thank you very much for talking about the istj!!! thanks to this video I can finally know that I am of this type, unfortunately the stereotypes that abound are very far from what it really means to be an istj.
It's true that ISTJs and INTJs are generally more protective of their Fi conduct...
Also, when it comes to relationship with the divergent stack, i've observed same things you talked about that INFPs and ISFPs have more of an antagonistic relationship with their Te, given that Te is highly divergent (which isn't always the case and it changes up when they turn on their Te dom modality, as they do have that side).
While ISTJs and INTJs, the Te is there to serve and protect the Fi, rather than antagonize it. :)
This was a very good video! I am currently typing my friend who seems to be an Si dominant and that video will definitely help to figure it out along with the ISFJ one.
I'd also like to add that I'd love to see a "5 signs you might be/are not an ISFP" video. The type has some overly simplistic stereotypes and I heavily relate to the FiNi/NiFi convergent pairing
Any ISTJs want to throw some of your SiFi and self concept my way? Harry, thanks for pointing out that SiFi and SiTi are very different; there's a tendency in the MBTI world to 'shove' all of the Si dominants in literally the one dimensional box. I'm wandering if what you said re the ISTJ and INFP is also applicable to me an ENFJ and my son an ESTP (I think); perhaps there's a genetic component to it.
I just realized that every time he speaks and curs he shakes his head side to side and then nods at the end of his sentences across every video if not most. I like that.
Thank you so incredibly much for this video. 🌻
Been mulling it over and have basically narrowed down to either this one or intp this was helpful. A conclusion is yet to be reached
How I figured it out: I am 90% like an ISTP, just hate taking risks, am deliberate in stead of spontaneous and am more conscientious. I seem to be more interested in philosophy, politics and economics than any ISTP I know. Being typed LSi in socioniks & figuring out I'm enneagram type 6w5 also helped.
Is this accurate? I can relate to this
Okay Harry, no fair coming back and throwing a cog in the wheel of my typing journey.🤔 I resonated with many of these facts. Good to see ya!
Amazing work!
Hello, this was a very useful video. There isn't a lot of stereotype-free istj content on UA-cam because we have little to no presence there. I actually feel very intuitive for a sensor, I watched your intj vs istj video and it helped me a lot but I still have doubts about my level of intuitiveness. I'm very curious and enjoy new things, almost in an intp way I guess. I was wondering if you could do a type comparison of the two, please.
Here's the thing. Can ISTJ experience that same sense of "flow" and being on a ship in time, and timelessness? Because, that's about the only thing I am really confused about now.
Lovely video.
I may be wrong in the evaluation of my own personality (INTJ) as of those of my coworkers but I think I once had ISTJ and ISFJ as teammates and while both were nice and fun people to be around (in that reserved, 'non-extroverted' way), I preferred to work with ISFJ due to their 'tighter logic'. They just instantly got what I was after and were super reliable in execution.
ISTJ would generally be much faster than I to start producing something, and that something would look rather pretty, but more often than not I could not see how it was achieving the goal. I think this is consistent with your saying that they apply a more holistic, intuitive logic and for me everything has to be super precise (or I make make it very clear I am dealing with broad estimates or impressions).
Although I would still say they are detail oriented (on the wrong details mainly :D but not always, they sometimes woke me up to things I ignored), it's just they like details in themselves and are less concerned with them being representaitons of nodes of an objective logic. I am always looking for this little detail that will break my (initially intuited but then filled with structure) perfect model or undermine definitions I came up with for goal achievement. They may not rush either but would be more likely to call done done... unless their Fi came very badly in the way.
Great vid. Can’t wait for estj! Hope that’s next.
Very interesting video, thank you. Is there any particular reason your most recent "5 reasons" videos have been FOR the possibility of being any particular type, when they used to be AGAINST others? Is it to offset the common tendency to mistype towards certain types and away from others? Or is it because you think this format is preferable in some way? If the latter is the case, have you considered re-approaching from this new perspective the types you've already covered in the old format?
After further pondering over I got the answer. In socionics Ti can be both positivistic + and negativistic- . Positivistic is maximizing while negativistic is minimizing. As applied to Ti which is defined as being structural logic by it when being Ti + it would be the maximization of a logic structure or implementing a standard of truth and for Ti- it would be the minimization of errors within a logical structure as in a relativistic view. ILI INTJs in socionics have Ti+ so they would look for maximizing structural coherence of a current structure and since it is in relation to Se+ as force they would impose such a standard as well once it would check out that coherence. While ISTJs have Ti- so their focus would be the minimization of errors within a logical structure and providing relativistic clauses for why a thing may not apply. For instance in relation to type not studying the phenomenon and finding it's structural logic by themselves but rejecting it based on relativistic scenarios such as type is an invention or is unrealistic. Coupled with Se- as force it would be a hesitation towards being introduced to a new objective framework in reality that would fuck up with their current worldview of what they considered "real" so far.
So this ability of seeing and maximizing the coherence of a logic structure of a thing due to Ti+ of INTJs is opposite to the ISTJs minimization of errors of a logical structure due to Ti- . This makes it so that INTJs have an objective worldview of reality then indeed relying on the maximization of the available information through deductions while ISTJs rely on a relativistic worldview through selecting only the information that's most likely to be true and rejecting the rest in a given scenario. Ie. With the Typology example the ISTJ picks and chooses what he considers real and not real. Since Typology is associated with being an invention then he sees it as not real and as such it discards it. As accepting it would be to replace the current standard of what is real. Maybe even demanding more proof for it to justify rejecting it or at least connecting it with something similar as his current view of what "real" constitutes.
While an INTJ would be accepting a realness factor only based on the coherence of a given framework. If Typology even if it is not proved yet it still holds true then it would take this hypothesis as being "real" merely based on the fact that it is coherent.
In Jung’s essay on the functions, he seemed to describe Ne dominants as people who are so focused on ideas that they are super detached from their internal feeling and values. Is this just something he exaggerated in order to convey the function or do you think it will truly be a problem in Ne doms lives to connect with others and themselves emotionally? Sorry for the long and somewhat unrelated question.
As an ENTP, if this might help you, I can say that :
- Ideas are what stimulate me the most (with humor). I can find a joy in it that I wouldn't find elsewhere ;
- Internal feeling : I genuinely do not understand what you mean by that ;
- As for values : the ENTPs I know are not that preoccupied with that. Some are, don't get me wrong. In my case, for instance, I understand that values are necessary, because every philosophical system is based on a part of the unquestioned, and that certain principles can lead to results that are more humanly appreciable than others, but this vision of things is very cerebral. I think it is useful for society that certain common values are held, so that the world does not become a clash of individualities that no longer tolerate each other, but I think that the principles drawn from philosophical morality are the most applicable.
All the ENTPs I know are social chameleons. They will not be with A the same way they are with B. In my case, I do not event know who I am behind all those layers. When asking people for informations about who I am, I receive descriptions that contradict each other. Anyway, it doesn't seem that important to me
- Connection with others : what do you mean exactly ?
- The ENTPs and ENFPs I know seem extremely different about values (ENFPs have Fi ; ENTPs have it as their blindspot)
Please, do not hesitate to correct my sentences, as English is not my mother tongue. I would appreciate that
Thank you for the response!
First, “internal feeling” was a bit of a typo. I meant internal feelings, and I just meant their internal emotional landscape.
Also, by connection with others I meant their ability to relate to other people on an emotional level.
Your English is excellent by the way.
@@benh2678 ENFJ here with a similar Fi-Si blindspot. I'm a divergent ENFJ so behind the Fe-Se facade I too find establishing who I am behind this difficult. Also, as I'm more cerebrally inclined (it must be the fluid Fe-Ti axis) I tend to revert to cerebral perspective when 'thinking' about my emotions; emotional contingency is pretty much out of the window. I find this mindset is ironically a super power that propels we forward as I often feel emotionally 'numb' (I have alexithymia which appears to be an extreme Ti thing) but also hinders my self concept & leads to frequent periods of imposter syndrome. I've been talking to a few ENTPs and this appears to be a commonality between the two types, to a degree. Your English is better than mine by the way!
Now that you meantion ISTJs and ISFJs are radically different, what would you say are the most similar types?
Mz twins: dominant function is the same, everything else changes
Neighbours: Extrovert vs introvert version of the same cognitive functions, such as INTJ vs ENTP, or ISFP vs ESFJ
Brothers: The first two functions are the same but in different order, such as ENTP vs INTP, INFJ vs ENFJ etc etc
Dz twins: they share the same functinos and orientation but a different attitude, such as ISTJ and INFP, or INTP and ISFJ
It's interesting that you mention MZ twins; both my sister & I are identical twins and we're both ENFJs albeit I'm a divergent subtype and she has more of the default cognition and a less fluid axis...Not that I'm being negativistic here, her Fi-Si and divergent Si-Ti are far more conscious than mine. I think a twin study is a fantastic idea!
I'd say there are multiple similar types rather than most similar. ISFJ, ESFP, INTJ, ENFJ, INFP... all of these networks seem to interact with each other more than ISFJ ISTJ
Some interesting thoughts here! I don't have a lot of twin data but I've seen cases of the same authority function with different pairings.
@@CognitivePersonality it makes sense, I've seen many INFP vs ISTP mistypes tho.
Excellent discussion and helpful. Would be much better to understand if I could hear it well enough. On my PC I have the UA-cam volume all the way up, Windows volume all the way up and my speakers all the way up and still had a major problem hearing.
I would like to ask, Harry. Is your CPT can be used to determine mbti types based on Isabel Briggs system or the theory is separated?
Since both theories stem from the same source there's a big overlap and a type in CPT tends to be the same in MBTI.
However, CPT is entirely cognitive function based. There are no dichotomies here and the system largely rejects the idea of Si dominants being Sensing>Intuitive etc. There's also quite a few more dimensions e.g. convergence, lens-codec pairings, etc.
But short answer yes!
@@CognitivePersonality Does your CPT system more closer to Jungian's typing system or Isabel Briggs's mbti instrument for typing someone based on cognitive elements?
I don't know if you'd like to be called so but you're my personality typing guru.
PS - If you could please repost this with louder audio it would be a great help. Thanks.
6:50 what do you mean by saying:
"INFP places emphasis upon changing FI to facilitate a harder SI perspective whereas the ISTJ changes upon SI perspective in order to facilitate a harder FI"?
That means infp has creative Fi, rigid Si, like it is what it is, the internal experience doesn't change and more as a guide/goal. Istj has creative Si, meaning try to expand their internal experience in order to gain certain value that is desired (rigid Fi).
I really admire ISTJs in concept, what they stand for, and it shows in the corporate world. Easily promoted, unwavering resolve.
Practically tho, they generally don’t make great managers when they get to the top. It must be a stress response to the position, they often micromanage and not trust their delegation enough to let them have the responsibility to decide.
ESTJs, who should be more annoying (at least on paper), generally make for better managers, in my opinion. They don’t mind potential damages as much so long as they can fix it; they’re more lenient to people’s mistakes. ISTJs seem to be too preventative to the point that it’s suffocating, most of the time.
Note: I don’t know if my assessment is correct, I may have mistyped them for all I care. Would be great if I were corrected if that’s the case.
I like this video so much!
If you don't mind, I want to ask your permission to share it to other websites in China, for the embarrassing reason that UA-cam is blocked from accessing in China. Of course, I will give sources to the original website.
Thank you very much!
What would be some of the similarities and differences between the ISTJ and the ESTP? Or would that be coming up in a video at some point in the future?
Both tend to be stabilisers in their own way, but ESF-Ts tend to operate more according to probabilities, and have less of a drive to make risk assessments etc. The SF values tend to be similar as do the logical pattern thought processes, but the ISF-T tends to prioritise internal image construction and vice versa for the ESF-T
@@CognitivePersonality thank you very much, the way each personality type has their own similarities and differences while it might be hard to tell, make each type interesting in their own way.
My ISTJ father is as routine as you can get.
Which doesn't necessarily have anything to do with his type.
Your vids lately have low volume level, may you consider increasing it a bit for future vids?
Somehow this really spoke to me.
I have a lot of points to adress now.
5:49
It depends on the achievements.
This is a vague statement. I guess that this would be shared between the two ITJs types due to their Te codec authority. However the differences that I can see are in relation to their Ne and Se lenses respectively that they are assigned to. Te as an authority function in relation to Ne as a broad lens I think would be able to have a broader sense of development and thus more coverage of an area. For instance I noticed personalities like Tech Lead or Warren Buffet who I think are ISTJs possessing this quality.
As for the Te authority in relationship to the Se lens would yield a type to be highly specialized in a field focusing on mastery such as Dario Nardi or Brain XYZ or even Cognitive Typology channels for instance who I think all 3 of them are INTJs. This is in relationship to their divergent pairings.
The contrasting view also presents itself in terms of their convergent pairings. The Ni internal broad lens attached to an Fi codec yields for the type to be highly aware of an internal worldview where each variable is taken into account. This lends to the adoption of highly universalistic concepts such as Dario Nardi is proposing by bringing concepts from the eastern religions and mixing them with science and type.
As for the Si specific lens in relation to an Fi codec it lends the type to be highly focused on his own priorities such in the form of personal principles.
In this way the difference is locality Si-Fi vs broadness Ni-Fi in terms of identity and multi faceted development Te-Ne vs Te-Se mastery.
The Si-Fi locality combination plus the Te-Ne multi faceted development for an ISTJ I could ascribe it as being like a star that's highly stable in its core but which expands outwards through its rays. It's mass also allows for other celestial bodies to orbit it through gravity. As such we have the illustration of a self sufficient micro system such as a star that's dependable for the planets that orbit around it and thus a macro system such as a solar system is created through it.
The Ni-Fi broadness combination plus Te-Se mastery for an INTJ I could ascribe it to an electromagnetic wave or light that's amplified to increase its potential for impact as in the form of a laser which is concentrated light. Unfortunately I don't have an illustration for this one. :(
However I mentioned about Dario Nardi, Cognitive Typology, and Brain XYZ. The samples themselves are highly confusing because they still have differences. For Dario Nardi I would necessarily say that he is a divergent subtype due to his focus on mastery within his field of neuroscience. For Cognitive Typology may actually be a convergent type having strengthened the Ni domminant-Fi convergent auxiliary. Even if he affirms that he's an INTP I still see a lot of traces of convergent Fi and Ni rather than Ti and Si. As for Brain XYZ I would say that he's a diver subtype having the Ti sub authority-Si strengthened.
For contrasting examples of those in terms of INTPs. Chris "The Brain" is an actual convergent Ti-Si INTP subtype and Sam from CSJ team is an example of a divergent Te-Ne subtype and also Carl Jung or Yuri Bezmenov for diver subtypes. So that would eliminate the possibility for Cognitive Typology being a convergent INTP subtype or Brain XYZ being a diver subtype. Leaving them to be INTJs convergent and diver subtypes. All things properly categorized as they should be! Okay that sounded pretty INTPish itself or maybe ISTJish. Hmmm...
I want to say more to keep this going but I don't know what else to say. I said pretty much everything there is to say.
What do you think Harry about this analysis ?
Also I have another question. I don't use personal principles or morals since I see them as limiting but I do use a personalized set of ethics. The reason for not using morals is because they account for one party that is me. However they seem arbitrary in the sense that without feedback I don't know how I should conduct myself. I rather rely on ethics which depends on two parties . I guess that I prefer this approach because it allows me to see changes within a dynamic and be able to adapt when needed whereas for morals I have to blindly follow a certain path without actually being able to change it -> or symbiosis->a person doesn't want to reciprocate then I end the interaction
Sanctum proxime->unilateral convention->we establish both the terms that each one wants in such a dynamic and if are willing to respect it and follow through->if those are not respected then I can give chances but ultimately it is the person will that decides if it stays in or not. If it decides that it doesn't want to stay anymore then this too is abolished and reverts back to basic symbiosis.
Sanctum sanctorum->bilateral convention->I present my basic needs and the person has to accept it or not. If it doesn't accept it then the convention is not abolished but it reverts back to the sanctum proxime one. If it accept it then I fully accept them as well and start integrating them into my being.
I didn't actually implement this because I still see things as lacking and doesn't account for all situations. But my approach overall is democratic.
So far what cognition did I use and combination convergent Ni-Fi, Ti-Si, or Si-Ti or maybe even Fi-Si?
I would say Si-Fi…you yourself gave the imagery of a star whose point mass allows for the rays of the mass to expand outward; then a solar system is formed around it… then you literally described that SAME EXACT THING in how you process your social/ethical sanctum -- as a series of concentric circles.
So… you described it before you referred to your anecdotal organization of your personal system.
So… in your personal VIEW of things, your perception of the ISTJ is the very thing you described about yourself.
But your ability to generate that likeness tells me that you sort of transposed your own being into the “image” of the ISTJ… which means, you’re only understanding the ISTJ through your personal lens. So you’re seeing yourself in the ISTJ, but that doesn’t make you one. It just means that that’s how you view them because that is how you can relate.
Funny enough, I think that implies that you are “Ni-Ti”ing the Si-Fi.
You are striking me as a possible real ISTP… Maybe even ESTP, with your focus on so many details. MAYBE even INFJ, if you feel strongly in letting others speak and you really don’t prefer to interrupt, but you’re confident in presentation. You’re also really pushy… maybe even ESTP. You blew right through Harry’s request for you to email him or get a specific service from him - instead, continuing to try to use his brain for yourself completely for free. I mean… you BLEW right through him and wrote another book. Which is fine to write a book, but you didn’t acknowledge his request at all…
So, while you’re entertaining in your elucidations (and, I admit, I share quite a bit with how you process - even down to the going to the LATIN or other origins of words to provide anchoring for deep understanding and imagery…) then…
I have to say - ENTJ or ESTP are my primary picks for you.
The selfish blow through, though… makes me think more like ESTP. I wouldn’t be THAT forward. I may think of it, but I would then think of all that Harry has on his plate and realize how his work should be paid for if I’m going to use it…
That could just be my maturity and understanding of real life. But I feel bad for him that he has to ignore you to keep his sanity, even though he would enjoy time with you if you yourself were more…
Symbiotic.
So…
You’re very, very smart, and proof that ESTPs shouldn’t be underestimated - and you use your Fe in direct face to face interactions, but without that face to face, your Se has no “face” to inspire its Fe auxiliary, causing you to push and reveal your Fi intentions through your Ti frameworks.
So, you’re coming across as an ENTJ because you’re ESFPing your functions online as an ESTP - and you are Ti-Feing in reality; but giddily-so because you’ve had enough push back from family or friends about your aggressiveness and loudness when you were younger… causing you to short-circuit and become slower than your Dad at some of those games - but you would be INFINITELY faster if you weren’t holding back your aggressiveness like you know people need (because you really never meant any harm by it) - causing you to fall into your Ti-Ni more often to keep others’ protected from yourself (Fe aux).
Those are some of my assumptions based on reading your comments, which are intriguing.
You could be ENTJ…
But I like the ESTP fit for you better so far.
What do I know? I’m quite Individuated due to do much growth before I even got into this stuff… so nailing down ENTJ for me is as close as I have gotten right now (as I’m considered INTJ by a few - but I have some of the qualities… not nearly as immature as they are made to be sometimes, though)…
And I’ve gotten there SIMPLY because I have A MISSION. And when that’s going off the rails at all, I do TEND to blame others or my environment more than I should blame myself… this is TRAUMA induced. I’m no fool, it’s selfish and I’m ACTIVELY tearing my own ass up over it.
But I relate to the HATING chaotic environments - but not just any chaotic environment… when there are kids I have to be responsible for (I have 5) and there is constant potential for danger or constant nonsense babbling or constant chewing like a cow… LOL yeah. It grinds my gears. It’s hard for me to let the kids be kids in some ways.
I am so FOCUSED on my mission, though.. which is oddly a little fuzzy, but at the same time kind of absolute.
I relate to you a bunch. Many things you said resonate with me.
Maybe you’re an ambivert ENTJ like Harry said? I’m very much a mostly individuated ENTJ STYLE person… something like that… cognitive function tests won’t LET ME tell the truth. Their coding rejects my choices as too contradictory or not informative enough. Because they’re useless. I AM REAL. LOL.
Excuse the poor grammar and structure. I’m typing quickly on the phone, autocorrect is a DEMON FROM THE NEWLY FORMED 11th PLANE OF HELL called TECH, and I have kids yelling for my attention… as always. Little buggers.
I could be way off… who knows. I don’t know. Maybe I am INTJ. But… NOT LIKE the ones they portray. I get caught up between ENTJ, INTJ, ESTP, ISTP, INFJ, sometimes INTP or ENTP, but not completely… or maybe!
But I feel a VERY strong connection to my Ni. And I simply use machines instantly like they’re an extension of my body… my BODY is an extension of my brain. It’s NOTHING for me to learn a new skill. Just the large size of my hands caused me to have to work around some slightly modified forms for playing the guitar… (I can play bass like it’s a guitar… but I’m only 5’10”….. RIGHT??)
But I also untie the smallest knots with these things. I can do things others struggle with BODY AND MIND… and Heart. So much lack of empathy in a world full of emotions… there’s just too much Fi self-righteousness in the world.
Which is why it’s highly repressed in me, along with some aspects of Si. But my memory is incredibly strong and detailed to have a truly devalued Si.
But my Ni is INTENSE and intensely right very, very often… but I can ALMOST ALWAYS EXPLAIN my insights. My wife said to me, “What if it’s not necessarily intuition.. not to say you don’t have it… but what if you just think so quickly and automatically that it FEELS like intuition to you? Because when you explain it, it is indeed insightful and unique; but then it actually makes sense.”
Yes… but I DON’T KNOW that until I begin to explain it. I find the reasons right after; WHILE I’m talking.
If I’m not talking, I very much get a holistic view and it’s very universal and very… hmm.. like I’m tapping into the “Time” or substrate which belies the entirety of the universe, inside and out; such that everything feels like a minor variation of the exact same thing - like fractals, but even cleaner and less confusing sometimes. But then I start to speak, those smooth fractals take on much more detailed forms and I can follow that Yellow Brick Road ALL THE WAY to behind the curtain; and I can point at the Wizard and say, “Yeah. I knew you were there. I just had to MAKE SURE.”
@@TarzanHedgepeth There are a few errors that I noticed in your analysis.
First of all you assume that I have a Se-Fe convergent and Ti-Ni divergent pair as that of an ESTP, but then you claim that I have a divergent Fe-Se and convergent Ti-Ni pair as that of an ISTP or INFJ. And lastly, you claim that I'm an ENTJ but it wouldn't fit with either a convergent or divergent Fe-Se pair as it doesn't have those.
Second, I'm aware of the star thingy. I wanted to see feedback if anyone would notice that the presentation that I'm using is actually what I'm doing as well, and to see the likely interpretations behind what people think in relation to that and what it tells about me.
You could say that I'm an attention grabber with my theories, sure. However, I'm quick to disengage once I see that a person is not interested. When I post something or say something, I don't do it with the explicit purpose to force someone into a conversation with me. Rather, I express it in the medium by which I wait for who wants to engage in it. Then it is the choice of the one who engages in it if he wants to continue or to disengage. In this way, I respect the freewill of the other person, which is the opposite of an aggressive approach. So, I'm not aggressive in my approach. I'm tactical and wait for the right opportunity. However, I don't force it.
This two-way path involving both my initiative and response of the other party in forming this dynamic I call a symbiotic approach. So, it's quite far from not being symbiotic since upon engaging in a conversation with me, I wait for the response of the other party.
As for the loud aspect. Trust me, I'm way more silent in my extroverted speech form than in my introverted writing format. In my extroverted form I internalize everything and don't have the chance to react quickly enough when I speak, but instead I'm way more reductionist and concise as I say little. In my introverted form my thoughts start to crystallize and expand themselves as in writing for instance.
The two approaches are complementary. The extroverted form allows me to gain exposure by which it gets internalized, and then it crystallizes via introversion into something else.
As a thought experiment, read what I wrote not as an analysis, but as fishing.
Then read your response to me.
I am getting Ti Si Ne Fe vibes from you. What do you think about INTP?
@@TarzanHedgepethSure, if you want to look at it from an exploration pov then I would say that you may be right in the fact that I use Fe, but I have a theory for why that is the case. If you have read Akhromant, you would see that he proposes that the auxiliary function is of the same orientation as the dominant. So if we have an INTJ, then the actual stack would be:
Ni
Ti
Fe
Se
The dominant and auxiliary function would represent the conscious orientation, while the actual tertiary and inferior would represent the unconscious. So, an INTJ would technically have Fe as more or less conscious, as it is right at the bridge between the conscious Ni dominant and unconscious Se inferior.
Since I tend to switch from conscious/unconscious with Fe, this could be linked to the convergent/divergent modality within Harry system. Which would mean that Fe becomes a point of responsibility while at the same time being a point of free expression.
Since I don't solely have it as a point of responsibility unlike a divergent user with it as Fe authority or Fe inferior and I don't entirely express it fully either since I'm still self-conscious of it, as a convergent Fe dominant user or Fe auxiliary. That would show that my Fe is both conscious and unconscious at the same time, and that it is neither as a divergent authority function or inferior or convergent dominant or auxiliary. But that it is both convergent and divergent.
And yes, I considered the possibility of being an INTP. However, I don't relate with other INTPs either. I'm way more free expressing myself than them. So, this would then show that Fe would be my tertiary as both a responsibility but also free expression. But not according to the original Pe-Ji-Je-Pi mbti stack, but according to Akhromant interpretation of Pi-Ji-Je-Pe. Which would make it to be my actual tertiary.
@@novaimperialis Yeah, I totally dig it, but as Harry rightfully points out and has corrected… the INFJ is the INT-Fs. And… actually, Ni Ti Fe Se would be INTP in the Jungian… because Ni is a perceiving function…
So, the Jungian INTP IS THE MBTI INFJ.
And INFJ is a good fit for what you’re saying… or, more accurately “INTP” for the Ni, then Ti, then Fe, then Se…
The Ti Ni Se Fe is basically a “Jungian” INTJ, or the MBTI ISTP…
And I’m sure I’ve read Akhomet, but he’s not needed if you read Chapter X of Psychological Types yourself. Jung points out that the auxiliary follows the dominant in attitude (I or E); and FUNNY ENOUGH, does NOT demand that the differentiated functions must ever extravert… in fact, one could theoretically differentiate 3 functions, and they would be introverted… even though, that begs a lot of questions and gets messy…
So, to keep it neat…
And then, if we take the MBTI dichotomies and “label” an individual who possesses the Jungian functions in a particular, using the same method - then the dominant function is the one that determines the “J” or “P” letter. Of course, in MBTI, it’s the first Extraverted function… so a dominant Extraverted Thinker will be a J, and an “auxiliary” Extraverted Thinker would be a J for introverts… but SINCE the true format is II-EE, if you were to take the functions Ni Ti Fe Se… you have to call it an INFJ because Extraverted feeling is the first Extraverted function. That’s the pattern. But I PREFER that it should be called INTP to be consistent with how the Extraverts are also labeled…. The first function determines J or P. But since their method is that it is the FIRST EXTRAVERTED FUNCTION in both Extraverted and introverted individuals… then ENFJ is Fe Se Ni Ti; INFJ is Ni Ti Fe Se…
Yeah.
So… I don’t know why Ahkamet would say “INTJ” for NI Ti Fe Se, because the rule for MBTI isn’t the SECOND function for Introverted, but the FIRST EXTRAVERTED FUNCTION. I think he’s taken the pattern of it being the second function instead of understanding why they actually used the second function for introverts in MBTI…
But Jung didn’t label types like this anyway. They were simply “An Extraverted Thinker augmented with a creative intuition” or something like that… we’d say “ESTJ” but they would really be an ENTJ, or, as Harry rightfully fixes it, “ETN-Sf”. I think what’s he calls it… anyway.
Yeah.
It’s “E” for extraversion, then T for dominant Thinking, then N for aux Intuition, then a dash denoting the dip into the unconscious or the typically undifferentiated, in this case, the introvert; and then auxiliary sensing, and then opposing feeling denotes by a lower case f.
I think that’s his pattern…
Anyway.
Yeah.
But… when I said I got some Ti-Si vibes with your last response, I meant it.
SO… I guess I mean to say, how does “ISTJ” (in the alternate accurate label framework… Ti is dominant, therefore ITJ, Sensing aux, therefore ISTJ…) or, INTP in MBTI, or ITS-Nf in Harry’s labeling. Or, if you want, in Ahkamet’s odd style, ISTP (since the aux function is a perceiving function and he seems to think that the J/P is based on the second function and not the dominant function or the first Extraverted function, according to what you said…)
Because Si is strong with you as well. But that’s what dipping is for, I suppose.
But your willingness to be open to taking my original comment through the alternate lens I offered is nearly PROOF of Ni.
So…
Yeah, probably INFJ for you. Or what I think should be called the INTP… or what Ahkamet oddly calls INTJ…
Ni Ti Fe Se… good fit for you so far. Your Fe is likely not opposing and what you say about chaos does indicate a Se opposing… I relate some, but I use Se so well. Then again, I was forced to a lot by a lot of highly traumatic events, so.
And I’m not sure what this all just said about me. I didn’t sleep very well and I keep being interrupted. 😭
Please forgive any lack of linearity. I’m very overwhelmed right now. Thanks for the entertaining and the fun responses! And for being cool.
This not related to this specific video, but I must say that your system of explaining cognitive functions makes much more sense than whatever you read on sites like psychologyjunkie and such.
The real dichotomies are
Not Se vs Si but
Se vs Ne
And
Si vs Ni
Not Fi vs Fe but
Fi vs Ti
And
Fe vs Te
Other explanations especially botch Ne vs Ni, as in their explanations, both seem like almost the same function. What I also often see, like you stated in your functions explained video, that Ni is described with Si (that Ni is focused and Ne is the function seeking out possibilities). It just doesnt make sense, as it becomes very difficult to distinguish Ni & Si and Ni & Ne.
Im now much more able to distinguish my type, as Ive struggled with it alot before, going from INTJ to INTP, back to INTJ, to INFJ and now im on the fence between INFJ and ISTP. I know where the INTJ came from, as I am adept at, for instance, interior design and taking the leading role in group projects, being focused on efficiency and ending up doing 80% of the work myself since most of the work delivered by group members doesnt live up to my standards. But, this Te comes from a Ti perspective, as I implement these systems based on my own stances, disregarding external data for the most part (what I view as efficient rather than what is generally or commonly regarded as such).
The indecisiveness between ISTP mainly comes from me having a very highly developed Ti, and Im not sure on the positions of Fe and Se. I tend to absorb emotions and be heavily affected by social disharmony, but I do not conform to group consensus per se if I feel it is counterintuitive, inefficient or does not make sense. What does not really help is my neurodivergence (ASD), but I feel like Im coming closer to the conclusion, and that is all thanks to your explanations!
Seeing your comment nearly gave me a heart attack because I thought you were saying ISTJs were robots but no it's actually trophies lol
Nearly all ISTJs tritype Enneagram 1
Hi, Harry, sorry for inappropriate comment but where're your guitar videos? :D I miss them, you're a great guitar player
I've sadly had very little time to release any music lately, besides the guitar quartet last December. I'll have more time come September though!
Hmm... I resonate with a lot of things yet I don't feel drawn to the mystical at all and that part sounds important(?). How could someone differentiate Ni-Ti/Si-Ti in their own cognition?
I wouldn't say the mystical draw is a main point and was more of a side note. The point was more than ISTJs seem more likely to be drawn to the mystical than INTJs (just some CPT myth busting!)
Think Ni = holistic perception assigned to an objective codec & SiTi logical specificity (much like the INTP albeit the attitudes flipped). I'm a conscious Ni-Ti user but have a highly developed Si-Ti subnetwork (net work hoping ; this is my belief and observed by CPT) so you could perhaps, for example, be an INFJ or ISTJ where both are highly conscious which may be why you're having difficulty compartmentalising the two in your own psyche? I've actually seen a few ISTJs typed as such with INFJ given as their second most likely type...As we're fluid beings it adds another layer of nuance and complexity into the mix. So much for denigrating the so called 'sensors' hey, I'm sure it's my Ni authority speaking but these kind of attitudes, as a side note, really peave me off in the MBTI community 😊
Thanks you both so much! This feels like an endless journey sometimes but it's always so interesting
I believe you nailed it.
Can you make a 5 signs you're an INTJ?
So far I do believe I'm an ISFP until I saw this video, except for the first one which I don't know if I have it or not, the rest are true to me, would Te competency/efficiency and viewpoint differ between ISTJ and ISFP? And can you please make a video about ISFP, I'm so looking forward to it.
I've been typed as both types you mention and someone on Quora other than the one who typed me ISTJ typed me INFP. The ISFP typing came from an e-friend, who typed my self-insert in a fanfic of mine that way. All these people type INFP on tests, but my e-friend used to test INFJ, but people told her to loosen up, so she relaxed to INFP, she says. Only my e-friend uses UA-cam, to my knowledge of these. ISFP's the most intuitive sensor, because Fi's kind of an intuitive function and the tertiary Ni the IS_P types carry.
is it possible to have subtitles?
I'm lucky to have people helping out with transcripts but they tend not to be done until later! That's why the newer videos tend not to have them immediately :)
Wonderful video! Quick question, Harry, I wanted to inquire you on how the order of a convergent/divergent stack affects how a specific type operates. For example, I believe myself to be an INTJ which has convergent Ni-Fi but how does that differ from an ISFP which has convergent Fi-Ni?
Thanks! This is a codec Vs lens dominant question - the focus on NiFi is to change perspective, whereas the focus of FiNi is to transform and reform Fi. The NiFi individual tends to be therefore less focused upon radical self transformation and more focused upon an ever expanding view.
Ive been confused on which one i may be for a while, isfp or istj. Ik that seems strange but ik you would see what i mean maybe lol
If you ever ran out of content you should totally just compare completely random types to one another
Heh that's a good suggestion
Also a great istj example is miyamoto musashi (isfps should learn from him) especially in the manga vagabond.
He is mistyped as an istp
If INFPs are so similar to ISTJs, how can you differentiate the two and figure out who you really are?
both are convergent Fi and Si, its just switched up (FiSi+ vs SiFi+)
the former is judging, in a sense that FiSi its more like restructuring your limbic aspect, whether its identity or value, in a sense there is an agenda, in INFP its often for trying to snychronizing with world around them, being amiable,
the later is more perceiving, or experential, they prefer to close to the identity without much agenda at first, its like holding something and look at it closely, and you grow attached to it/become meaningful, thats their Fi, like doubling down on what they perceive, like screaming this is me and my identity
@@adamkhair118 Would you mind giving me a concrete example of how it would manifest differently in both types? That might help me understand it a bit more, thanks! :)
@@adamkhair118 thanks for the correction. Both are convergent. From the video, sign no 2:
Fi dominant will change it's moral value product in order to satisfy what's subjectively right specifically (Si agenda). So for infp, the experience is less enjoyed than the self value. So self value is more adjustable, meaning more relaxed and adaptive towards uncertainty. What is perceived specifically, e.g. certain feeling/experience are the input to enjoy of creating moral code/Fi/internal subjective harmony
Si dominant will tend to circle around with it's moral value (Fi) and enjoy/focus more experiential occurrences. I guess it's like giving value to certain experience, and then do it for the sake of the experience itself primarily. So it's like the self value as a guide to enjoy Si experience.
@@Revna_Engel the other thing that differentiate infp and istj is that istj will accept any experiential things as it is, then conclude from what is available, what's best personal moral code that fit the person. infp will tend to overthink about everything, analyze in their own way in order to come up best subjective internal value, which could potentially be new/innovative type of self value.
@@Revna_Engel i guess the simplest way to differentiate infp and istj is by asking whether you concern more towards the experiential matter or the personal value. What is the changeable product, is it the meaningful thing itself or the personal value itself.
Harry, when Si is a perceiving function, why is the ISTJ a J then and not a P?
I'm sorry if this is out of topic, but could perhaps consider typing Jordan Peterson?
There's a never ending debate about his type and I came to the conclusion that he's an ESFJ, but I'd like to hear your opinion on this since I very much respect you and your theory. ❤
He's said he considers him an ISFP with a strong INFJ cognition.
Id second ISFP I'm not too sure about INFJ as a secondary network but he is a very fluid individual is our JP
What do you think about vultology (typing through body language, facial expression, vocal tone)?
Harry of you're reading the comments, i'm just wondering, which cognitive type to you think Anna Karenina is? Cause she's typed as enfj/enfp on PD...but she seems quite Fi convergent to me. Not saying that enfj isn't possible tho. Curious about your opinion.
hi
The volume of the video is really low compared to other videos on youtube and even the max volume wasn't loud enough for me
You're right, I set the volume way too low for this one - next one will be standardised!
What is a "survival state/mode" 2:43 5:56 ?
ISTJs are LSIs (TiSe) in Socionics.
In Socionics LSI (TiSe) = Ti laws enforced in the external Se environment.
ISFP please🫶🏻
bro you look bad, are you all right? Lookslike you are having a rough time
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Which type do you think would be the laziest type?