SuperMoto vs Dualsport DRZ400!
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Case protectors is a first must to do on the DRZ...
Oh and one more thing, the SM and the S wheels are interchangeable with both bike's
And the Rear Swing arm's are also different between the SM / S
@@imyourhuckleberry357 case savers and skid plate are #1 mod
There are a lot more differences to the S and the SM, and also a few that aren't correct. I'm sorry to be that guy, but this video is meant to give advice on the differences. I've had both setups, if you need to swap them, you'll realise what you're in for.
The tire size is the width, a percentage of that width as height and rim size. So 120mm, 70% of 120 mm, 17.
The front forks are very different and do not have the same compression and rebound rates, especially since the SM forks are adjustable. It is not whether they're USD or conventional, it's what they're designed to do.
The other major difference is that the SM fork is shorter, it is not just the wheel as the tire is much taller. It also has a much shorter stroke, so wouldn't do as well off-road. Besides this, there are no gators on the forks, so you get a lot of dirt in the seals, which wear out faster. Rocks can also chip the chrome, cutting the seals and exposing bare metal. The Desert Sled has the same issues.
The offset on the triple trees is different as well, where the SM has very little offset (centre of forks are in line with centre of headstock) the S has some more offset to make it more stable on uneven terrain. Low offset gives a much sharper steering feel, which is why racing bikes have the same setup, with a much steeper headstock angle. The SM still has a motocross frame.
Axle location makes big difference as well. With the SM it is underneath the fork, so the wheelbase (where the rubber touches the ground) is shorter as well (along with the offset), making it easier to turn. The S has the axle above the bottom on the outside, to both give a longer stroker and adding to the rake and trail, making it more stable.
The swingarm is different as well; the kink is further towards the engine, to accommodate the 150 rear, and the chain tensioner is different. The SM uses a block with a bolt and locknut, as well as a hollow rear axle, while the S has two snails with a pin to adjust tension and a solid steel axle with a nut attached. The blocks are more precise and the shaft lower the rotation mass, so it costs less power to rotate, while the snails are fast and easy, with a very strong steel axle. The fixed nut makes maintenance faster as well, which you would do more off on an offroad bike.
The SM also has a shorter rear shock to not sit too high in the rear. I parked my SM next to an S and the difference was a few inches at least. This is also a stiffer shock to help with cornering.
Sorry for the epistle, but if people come to look for info on the differences on the SM and S, this is pretty much it.
You seem like you know what you are talking about. Perhaps you could give me some advice.
I'm currently riding a scooter but I'm thinking about the next bike I'm going to get. I won't go into details but I'm leaning towards a dual sport. However, most of my riding will be on road. Therefore, I'm thinking about getting a sumo, or more likely a dual sport which I will try to convert for road use (not much of a sumo used marked where I live).
The one thing that is bothering me is sumo (dual sport) handling compared to a standard (naked) bike. Given that sumo is basically a dirt bike conversion, it should have worse handling than a standard bike that's built for comfortable riding on roads. (higher center of gravity and longer suspension)
Am I correct in thinking that? Do sumo (or converted dual sport) bikes handle noticeably worse than standard bikes? If you feel like answering, could you please go into some details on this..
Thanks a lot!
Peter Koperdan
The main difference between making a dual sport nice for the road but still good offroad, and an SM good on road but also nice for offroad is very different.
The suspension setup is very different, but in the case of the DRZ you can buy a second suspension setup and swap it in a day.
If you need to ride far to go offroad and also want to daily drive it, get a dual sport with less aggressive tires. A few teeth less on the rear sprocket for more top speed, but you'll lose torque down low. Handling is mediocre because it is set up for off road.
If you only do a bit of gravel and light off roading you can get away with having aggressive tires on an SM although they're hard to find in that size. It's also not as nice to ride tires that big off road. The suspension isn't nearly as long as the dual sport version is.
There's a ton of different dual sports. If you look at Africa Twins or Ténéré's, you see the difference. They're much heavier and meant for long distance off road, like the Dakar. The BMW GS1200R is the same thing but for rich people. Road bike are of course purpose built and won't work off road. The DRZ is much lighter and easier and is decent on both terrain.
The DRZ came from a motocross chassis, the SM was only made because there was a Supermoto championship in France in 2005. They're the first road legal, factory Supermoto for general sale. It's meant to race on go kart and short tracks, so the wheel base is good.
I daily drove my SM for a long time, lots of highway, about a 110 km/h is decent with 15/39 sprockets. It would suck off road though, although it still had enough torque to wreck the chain. I rode it really hard as well. They're tractors. I killed the big end on mine and put another 15.000km on it with good oil. Bit of clunking and banging
@@Yvolve Thanks a lot for your reply. And how about SM handling vs standard bike handling (on road)? Is SM comparable or am I better off with a standard bike?
Bit difficult to express my thoughts.. but I would like a bike like Ducati Scrambler Desert Sled. Only MUCH cheaper and more reliable. What I like about dual sport bikes is how functional and bulletproof they are. I don't want a high maintenance primadonna of a bike.
That said, I don't need too much off road capabilities. I will be riding mostly road and some unpaved roads/paths or let's say really shitty roads. I am worried that a dual sport is a bad choice for mostly road riding. That's why I was thinking about converting it to a SM. However, I also don't need the SM capabilities (whatever they are).
How bad are dual sports on road compared to something like Honda CBs? And is it possible to convert a dual sport to something like Ducati Scrambler (as far as handling is concerned, not aesthetics)?
Thanks ;-)
Thank you! This is what I came for.
SM front fork is from a 2006 era rmz250. If your looking for upgrades(springs cartridge kits ect).
Contrary to what others are saying, I really enjoy your pace of speaking as it feels you are being more deliberate and clear with your argument. Thumbs up for alter hosting!
More deliberate with idk's that 5 mins of googling would've had nobody any the wizer. Not hate constructive.
you can speed up the vid and still distinguishable dialogue too I like that
Tire size: millimeters (120), aspect ratio (sidewall height is 70% of tread width), rim diameter
i found you :P
Been riding dirt bikes since 1975...I now have a DRZ400s and absolutely love it. I ride 60 dirt and 40 street and my smile while I ride is ear to ear.....
I like it! The channel is growing and there's a lot going on and I was skeptical at first I'll admit it. But I'm glad to see the content evolve the way it has!! Great job and I'm looking for to seeing what's next
You are very articulate in your comparison of these Two bikes. Much appreciated.
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I've ridden super sports for 45 years. I love tearing up corners!!! At 61, I thought I would downgrade from my 1000 to a DRZ-SM. I am having a blast! One word...FUN!
I ride backroads in rural TN. They are not sweepers, they are tight...and throw in some gravel and constantly changing road surfaces...and you have a great playground for an SM. I find myself riding more often than in years...just for fun. No destination, just of the joy of it. Oh, and I put on some 70/30 tires and go on trails as well. :-) I would consider getting the 18/21 wheels if I had the chance to do a lot of offroading.
I'm glad the Yamster has you to help him out Spite. You're a good addition to the Yammie Fammie.
Keep up the good video I love everything one of them
1:22 dont apologize bro. Ur dope
Congrats on the new SM. Such a fun bike! I do prefer the dual sports as they can do everything, but sumo’s are the best looking bikes in my opinion. Yours looks great. Shame the person before you didn’t look after it.
I could take one of those motorcycles off your hands! XD Also, you dont need to apologize for the lack of the noobs of yam, you're doing great!
I had a drz 400 sm. Really fun bike!
The only thing I didn't like about it was gearbox with just 5 gears.
Would it be terrible to combine the best elements of both the SM & S? Buy an S and add the steel brake line or SM brake setup. And a set of SM wheels, then switch them out along with the sprockets & chain.
Please do more videos on the DRZ400 SuperMoto!
great helmet-cam/talk seg. never seen that format before
You must not watch a lot of videos
@@Mynameischef yes i hav, but not exactly like this. not sure why, it just seemed different watching from others doing almost the same exact thing. but something is different, not sure what
You forgot to mention that the swing arm is also different on the SM. It is the same as the inverted forks, it came from a RM 250. I have the SM, and a braided front brake line makes a huge difference in the brake feel.
You seem like you know what you are talking about. Perhaps you could give me some advice.
I'm currently riding a scooter but I'm thinking about the next bike I'm going to get. I won't go into details but I'm leaning towards a dual sport. However, most of my riding will be on road. Therefore, I'm thinking about getting a sumo, or more likely a dual sport which I will try to convert for road use (not much of a sumo used marked where I live).
The one thing that is bothering me is sumo (dual sport) handling compared to a standard (naked) bike. Given that sumo is basically a dirt bike conversion, it should have worse handling than a standard bike that's built for comfortable riding on roads. (higher center of gravity and longer suspension)
Am I correct in thinking that? Do sumo (or converted dual sport) bikes handle noticeably worse than standard bikes? If you feel like answering, could you please go into some details on this..
Thanks a lot!
I started riding on a 500 euro Xl600R and a dual sport will give you so much freedom as a beginner. If it falls down no problem usually no damage. And its is fast enough to make me smile after 4 years and owning liters bikes but not so fast you get speeding tickets or death :D.
Plus maintenance is so cheaaaap and easy to do on these type of bikes :)
Alejo Cain until you gotta rebuild the top end but as long as it isn’t a 2 stroke it’s fine
I can say from experience the worst off road you'd want to put on your DRZ would be an actual dirt/gravel or grated road, and even then you had sharp rocks that are straight tire killers sometimes. the 400 S would be better since the tires are made to be upright 99% of the ride but the main concern would be having your bike slide out from under you just because of the loose ground. still though it's nice to take your bike down a dirt road every so often, rarely have traffic and the only other thing you have to watch out for besides rocks is the occasional cow and/or feral hog.
I like how people think a DRZ400sm or any other dual sport bike is a beginners bike. In fact, I think a R1, GSX1000 etc are the real beginners bike as most motorbikes noobs are into those overpowered bikes for show and bragging rights more than actual riding. Anyone with decent amount of time riding bikes would know that an experience rider will pick a dual sport over any useless crotch rocket.
The rear swing arm is different as well. DR swing arm on the S model - RM swing arm on the SM model. The RM swing arm is a bit more adjustable with respect to chain tension and tire alignment.
My dr200s swing arm is cheap asf quality wise, almost like the old days of 3/8ths hub bikes for kids instead of 14mm axle hubs
@@benson4u215 The DRZ400s swing arm is like the DR650 swing arm. Pretty robust, does the job no doubt.
Had one for trail riding then turned it into a road bike, didn't really like it so now I have a 1990 cbr250rr
wheels at 3:45 its 120mm wide, its 70% of wide tall and 17" in diameter so: 120mm wide , 84mm tall on 17" diameter
The aspect ratio. Same for car tires. Good answer
Yeah this "Jammie" dude doesn't seem like a bike guy
Damn, you beat me to it!
@@caseywoods1700 1. That's Spite, not Jammie.
2. Just because he's not a tire guy doesn't mean he's not a bike guy
@@JCook-dx5pf Yeah, you're right. I'm probably being a little too hard on whoever the heck this is. lol
Ofc yammie made the video I was looking for
Early ❤️❤️
Love your videos 😍
Ari Hennig can tell the difference between right side up and upside down forks, the rest of us can't - that is fact
I have the DRZS S and just bought a set of warp9 17s cool so far, like being lower and reminds me of a trail bike from 1980
What is involved in the wheel swap? I am looking at a used 400SM and want to do more dirt.
Ay, would you guys consider doing a video on nooblets doing solo road trips (like WA to CA or longer) and how much experience a rider needs before traveling? Much thanks!
Coming from a Hayabusa and road riding background would you recommend the SM ? im more of a road rider than dirt rider, but id like to be able to swap rims and tires when off-road.
Spite, the second number in a tire size is aspect ratio, not length. It's a percentage of the first number, so a 120/70 17 is 120mm wide and 70% of 120mm, or 84mm (ish) tall from bead to contact patch
The question that I have is when you put a smaller tire on the back, should you change your sprocket? To get your top speed back.
Could you make a video about which Sportbikes are the most comfortable to ride? (not having all the weight on the hands while riding) Might be interesting for some folks.
At 5'10" w/o shoes on, I bought the drz400-SM for it's slightly lower seat height over all else. The S was simply too tall for me and I'd say it's not designed for anyone under 6 foot on the street unless you're ok with the potential of accidently dropping it at a stop-light, lol. They make aftermarket SM-size knobbies too! The stock SM tires suck pretty bad in wet grass and soft mud, looses traction and fishtails very easily there but otherwise a blast and I couldnt be more happy with my decision. Yes i'm definately mr. hardhead who is dying to learn how to wheelie too... if I could sleep with it next to me in my bed I would
The DRZ400 is not a bike that's absolutely perfect at one particular thing, but it does everything quite well for what it is. It's kind of a " Jack Of All Trades " kinda bike. Looking to do the suspension on mine, and probably the 470 ( 462 cc ) motor since I'm really only lacking the Web cams ( maybe ) / Stroker crank / 1 piece valve's the springs and seats and obviously the rejetted BSR will have to be swapped out to feed it. As it stands right now, 434 BBK CP 12.5 ratio piston, stage 2 HotCams, TT MCCT, E model single layer base gasket ( makes it 13 : 1 ratio ), the 3x3 and JD jetted BSR with a TwinAir foam filter ( I ride both on and off road and have S and SM wheels ) with an RS3 yoshi, Raptor fuel tap, LED everything and with the tail tidy, Corbin seat, Renthal bars with Zeta drop downs and Zeta XC shields with an R6 tube and a fan mod as for current mods. Did one track day ( was a blast ) and alot of mixed up riding ( on and off road ), it's kinda hard to get tired of it but very easy to find trouble 😆
Man, I put 21",18" KTM knobbies on my DRZ sm and soften the suspension a bit and it's much better than the DRZ E or S in the dirt, which my mates have. Try it. And aren't the shock, swing arm and forks the same as the RMZ 250 just a heavier spring?
Been waiting to to see your girl , looking good
Hey yammie. I am definitely a fan of yours. Always watching videos as soon as I get the notifications for them. :) I am in the market for a new bike within the next few months so I have a question. I have been riding a Suzuki burgman 650 for a while and even had a 2006 Honda cbr 600f from 2006-2008 (my ex totaled it), so I was wondering what bike you would suggest for me to get. I am also a big girl so there's that too lol
21/18 on the DRZ. 19in rear is for motocross. 18in rear is for offroad/enduro.
I really want to love the DRZ 400 SM. I really do. Have tried numerous times, but ultimately I just can't. Not when there's KTM's 690 SMC. Yeah the KTM is almost twice the price, but it has enough things over the Suzuki that I would gladly pay that difference. Shame too as I think the 2019 White/Red/Black 400 SM with those gold wheels looks sexy af.
You seem like you know what you are talking about. Perhaps you could give me some advice.
I'm currently riding a scooter but I'm thinking about the next bike I'm going to get. I won't go into details but I'm leaning towards a dual sport. However, most of my riding will be on road. Therefore, I'm thinking about getting a sumo, or more likely a dual sport which I will try to convert for road use (not much of a sumo used marked where I live).
The one thing that is bothering me is sumo (dual sport) handling compared to a standard (naked) bike. Given that sumo is basically a dirt bike conversion, it should have worse handling than a standard bike that's built for comfortable riding on roads. (higher center of gravity and longer suspension)
Am I correct in thinking that? Do sumo (or converted dual sport) bikes handle noticeably worse than standard bikes? If you feel like answering, could you please go into some details on this..
Thanks a lot!
Get the SM version and buy a 19” front wheel from Warp 9 for off road riding.
I did reverse
Tire size is in Millimeters/ percentage ( aspect ratio) - inch diameter of rim.
Using these numbers you can calculate overall height.
Example 140/50-18
140 mm /25.4 = roughly 5.5 inches wide
5.5 inches * 50% = 2.75 inches
5.5 inches times 2 ( rubber on top and bottom) + rim diameter (18") = 23.5 inch tall tire
I had an 08 SM. Bought a set of dirt wheels for offroad. Two bikes in one.
Which did you use as default? Why? Did you find yourself rationalizing your choice? Or talking yourself out of changing?
A fun combo could have been sumoto frt with the 18 dualsport rear?
Of 17 sort tread frt - 17 dual sport rear
That's a sweet mane my guy!
USD or regular, the SM got RM 250 suspension.
Good 80/20's or something on that one, or something - maybe Roadtec 01 SE's? - great allround capabilities.
Want one. (Need one!)
Just a note, I've got a monster front brake on my yz 250 and so long as you arent an idiot it's not a problem. It's better if you have the skill.
Love the intro music super happy
Good video wish you would have ride both , you got street what you got on dirt, i like the drz 400 sm
"Polaris >> I'll give 'em a half wave" lolz! Great vid Spite! F the key board warriors. We love all of Team Yam!
I love the Suzuki DR 400 or 200 are you doing export to India. We don't have here I m a great fan of suzuki. Thanks
omg video becomes so much better at x1.25 speed
Bahahahahhahahah
I believe it's width in mm, sidewall to with ratio in percentage, rim diameter in inches.
That classical music in the background reminds me of the auto-docking in Elite Dangerous
Have both, my off road is the E, that kicks the ass of the SM and S.
Fun fun fun .....
No emissions
You seem like you know what you are talking about. Perhaps you could give me some advice.
I'm currently riding a scooter but I'm thinking about the next bike I'm going to get. I won't go into details but I'm leaning towards a dual sport. However, most of my riding will be on road. Therefore, I'm thinking about getting a sumo, or more likely a dual sport which I will try to convert for road use (not much of a sumo used marked where I live).
The one thing that is bothering me is sumo (dual sport) handling compared to a standard (naked) bike. Given that sumo is basically a dirt bike conversion, it should have worse handling than a standard bike that's built for comfortable riding on roads. (higher center of gravity and longer suspension)
Am I correct in thinking that? Do sumo (or converted dual sport) bikes handle noticeably worse than standard bikes? If you feel like answering, could you please go into some details on this..
Thanks a lot!
Clapping out a dual sport is so much fun. They don't die, the good looks do though
I have a drz400sm and love it 👌
I can't wait to take Spite's for a spin
@@yammienoob definitely worth it...love the videos 👍
Bigger gyroscopes have more inherent stability than smaller gyroscopes...this is great off road...slows steering just a bit on road.
Braking is far superior than the bigger diam wheels....dependent upon tire..a sportbike tire will suck offroad.
Would I be better off to buy an sm and convert it to a s? The stock tires on a drz-s are horrible from what I hear anyways? I only go off road 5 times a year anyways
Where did you find that seat and do you recommend it?
put a rubberband on the brake lever just enough to keep it from moving out of reach
I put money down on one already, not shipped in yet, got the 2022 Supermoto, I thought it was the bike on the right, alot of videos on UA-cam are of the bike on the right and they call it the super moto. But it does look like a dual sport. I'm so confused now. I'm still happy either way.
I’m trying to buy a drz but I can’t even find one on any website I try. Any advice?
Interesting view on aspect ratio
couldn't get through the whole lecture. but did he mention the biggest difference is that the sm has proper front forks?
the rear swing arms are different ,the motard has the flare angle where the edge of the tire is compared to the duel purpose has the flare in the swing arm further back towards the back axle ,how do i know ,mate couldnt get his motard wheel on after changing swing arm due to damage ,took a while to figure it out that the swing arms are different when we put one on top of the other boo yah there it is ,
and a return swing arm to shop and and get a motard one bingo wheel and tyre perfect ,great bikes with jets and cut up air box and a exhaust .
dual sport is made for twisty and full on dirt roads, it wont slide but your tires lose efficiency in the highways to asphalt carpet roads. Sumo bikes are made for twisty to normal roads that you can swap tires for dirt riding when needed.
I think the SM could be fun on the street, but the DS in the dirt is way heavy, and slow too...
im getting an SM model and buy the dirt wheels separate so when i want to offroad for a long time i swap out the wheels, even tho there ain't even that much offroading to do in the netherlands but its all for shits and giggles anyways
So would you need to change the brake caliper due to the different rotor?
what is your favorite gearing for a drz trying to be able to hit 70 mph and not feel like i am going to nuke the motor
What brand & model is the seat on your DRZ400 SM?
What is the DRZ model called in biscottiland of Europe?
was it sold here too ? cant find it anywhere
Its no longer sold in the EU because a Single Cylinder Bike is very hard to make with current emission norms. It was called DRZ400, as in the US .
Best way to find one would be looking for used ones.
@@Hedrix01 yeap.... Only used ones over here in Europe.... And they are getting really expensive
Also boys, DRZE has a 39mmFCR carb and the SM has a 36mmCV carb. Ive owned a 2000 drz400e and was so much faster than the DRZ400SM 2021 I owned
I was gonna flame on the front fork thing but then I remembered that my old drz400sm had it's forks swapped with a motocross bike. At least that's what the guy said. (I have reasons to believe him)
Honestly, my old drz sm was just as capable off road as my crf250l.
The crf had better traction but the drz's suspension could carry it's momentum better over rough terrain.
Edit: of course mud was a major weaknes of the sm but even in most soft terrain it's wide tires let it float on the top while my crf will start digging itself a hole.
You seem like you know what you are talking about. Perhaps you could give me some advice.
I'm currently riding a scooter but I'm thinking about the next bike I'm going to get. I won't go into details but I'm leaning towards a dual sport. However, most of my riding will be on road. Therefore, I'm thinking about getting a sumo, or more likely a dual sport which I will try to convert for road use (not much of a sumo used marked where I live).
The one thing that is bothering me is sumo (dual sport) handling compared to a standard (naked) bike. Given that sumo is basically a dirt bike conversion, it should have worse handling than a standard bike that's built for comfortable riding on roads. (higher center of gravity and longer suspension)
Am I correct in thinking that? Do sumo (or converted dual sport) bikes handle noticeably worse than standard bikes? If you feel like answering, could you please go into some details on this..
Thanks a lot!
I love my drz dual sport.
I love spoked tires
Hey that intro song sounds like it’s from “Ghost-in-a-Shell”
I thought that was a completely different bike not gonna lie. I’d pay money for a parts list on that Sumo. I got a 2015drzsm
i'll come back and watch this when I need something to put me to sleep.
I love the stock drz 400
Hey great video. But you gotta do your research on what tire sizes are. It not mm/mm/inches its mm/%of that/inch.
Off road you want upside down forks too but suzuki refuses to change blue prints on the drz-s look at modern mx AND enduro forks
Super motos are more a bike you'd slide the rear end out on in racing so they normally have a lot stronger bikes wear as dirt bikes brake more with the rear the front suspension on a super moto is more tuned like a flat tracker the standard is tuned more like a dirt bike /hard enduro bike I put dirt tires on my super moto and I never have a problem with the clearance and it fits me better than with the larger tires and I do a lot of hard enduro also use your rear brake for hills you'll get better hill starts
Klr 650 vs klx300sm, wondering your opinion yammie
so the intro song that I cant think of the name, I always "play" this song with my exhaust by hitting the throttle lmfao. please tell me im not alone
Your tied with how much I like yammie, I relate more to you though 🙄
what mic are you using in the helmet
Such a good video, but as a criticism you have just cost me money on my Crf 300l rally 😂😂😂
notification squad. i worship all of your videos. i pray that i never become a squid
i recently bought a DRZ 400S but havnt been able to ride much cause snow in michigan, i have 50 road 50 dirt tires that came on it but i wanna move to 60 dirt 40 road for next set and then 70 dirt 30 road and continue it til full knobbies, how big of tire can i go? because the dinky 50 50 tires are super skinny and just make me nervous and yea like spite said their upright or feel like they falling over, i want as big as i can go with knobbies without rubbing anything, how big can i go on it?
Fit a Dunlop D606 on the back and Pirelli MT21 up front. Awesome on and off road.
Are you kidding me man It would be my dream to have a garage like that
Yo what's that first bike, looks like my dream bike
Left one is dope.. 😎🥰😋
You remind me of that jerk of a boss from Office Space " yeah...im going to need those TPS reports...ASAP...So, if you could do that, that’d be great...”
2:50 same transmission? The forks are different??
I have the drz400s but would love to have the sm model. I want to try riding one
Gabriel C I recommend just getting a set of 17" super moto rims for your current bike, that way, you have two bikes in one!
exact thought on skill tree
The fact that I can put the vid on 2x speed and still completely understand you shows your speaking skills. Good job.
Not a bad video if you watch at 1.25x speed