This is the eternal issue with two handed bowling. You often will find that the lanes are too dry for the amount of revs you put on the ball. If you use one hand the ball won't hook as much. Other wise, you need to take a giant step left and throw right. All the marks on the lane are for targetting from the foul line to the range finders if you have them about 40' down the lane.
This is something I actually noticed after filming this video. Watching UA-cam and doing research I noticed: 1. My revs aren't even correct. My hand wraps around the ball when I release super high 2. I can step towards the left in which I never knew I could do. The advice I got before of standing mid and pointing to the 2nd arrow on the left only applies if I don't have a super high rev rate. I always see bowlers in the PBA stand super left probably because of their revs. Now I'm working on keeping my hand behind the ball and improving my form.
Lane conditions have nothing to do with his issues. His release is completely wrong. He is spinning the ball not putting revs on it. Big difference. He is being lazy with his hand.
I remember when i first started bowling and did actually alot similar to you. Threw the ball quite far, my timing was very off and i barly had any balance. I think the best thing you can do is focus on getting more control over the ball in the backswing. Can see you're dropping the ball alot in the backswing, and that can create inconsistency. You're also using the same pair of shoes i did, in the beginning. And honestly, you should replace them with shoes that give you the opportunity to slide. Sliding will make a huge difference, although sliding isn't necessarily used by everyone..Jesper Svensson for example. I would also suggest to throw the ball from the foul line, just practising the release and rev. I know it's super boring, but sadly needs to be done. But the most important...don't waste your time caring about the result on the lanes. I know it's frustrating to not hit the pocket, or not strike a lot. But if you give it time, and focus on the important stuff...the strikes will come. I talk from experience. My grammar is probably terrible, but it is what it is. I'm not english😅 But i hope it helped, a little bit at least. Good luck! PS: I wrote a list for myself to know what i should focus on. But remember to always focus on a single task at a time, not multiple at the same time. That will only make it worse and more hard for yourself. This is my list (i'm two handed aswell): - Shoulder must be directed towards your mark - Slow steps - Don't force in the backswing (don't push the ball down, let it fall) - Straighten arm when releasing the ball - Locking the ball into your body while swinging - Imagine your arm as a line. When you start the backswing, your arm should always be ''inside'' the same line all the way to release. [i can explain this further if it doesn't make sense] - Relaxed in the backswing
Something I have noticed with a lot of research and practice off screen is that when I release the ball that high it gives me the opportunity to wrap my arm around the ball creating poor rotation. I also take huge steps because I start from so far back. This creates a lot of room for inconsistencies. I have been working a lot at a fat cats during their late hours. This gives me the opportunity to not car about the results and just practice my form for hours. Thank you for the feedback and watching the video! Changes coming soon.
@@Substitute_Sam It's not necessarily "wrong" to throw the ball high and far. But the height you get here is probably a "bit" to much. Sadly bowling has a lot of elements, and it takes time to master it. Excited to see your progress over time^^
I'm certainly no coach (and for darn sure not one for two-handed), you said that the conditions were dry, clearly you made a necessary equipment adjustment to a ball with lower hook factor, and you did your absolute best with what you were given, but honestly, it does look like the big elements to practice here are consistency and loosening up. Your shot looks well-practiced, and I think if you had the opportunity to practice properly on a fresh pattern, you'll go a lot further in boosting your consistency, since the outcomes of shots should get more predictable. With that said, do try to loosen up, it'll help make your shots a bit more consistent, less variation in your aim from where you want it to where it's going. And of course, make sure your equipment works with your rev rate and ball speed on the pattern(s) you play, once you do get a consistent shot. As for toxic leadership, been there, done that, got the t-shirt. It SUCKS. You do everything you're trained to do, but other people just decide that they don't like something about you, and they happen to have power over you, so you get screwed over. I hope you can find something better, clearly that place isn't it.
As I started watching these videos and pro bowling videos I kind of realized that like sure maybe the lanes dry, but any really good bowler could make it work. So I can't blame my lack of skill on the lane. As a result I am re-learning my entire release, form, and step pattern. Working at the alley was funny and I have worked numerous other jobs. Those will be coming shortly!
@@Substitute_Sam Oh no yeah, of course the more skill you gain, the better you'll be on any conditions. The point was more that you can get more meaningful, consistent practice if you can lessen the number of variables you have to deal with. If the goal is just to improve form, release, etc. then you'll get more meaningful practice if, every time you do practice, you're on the same lane conditions (or as close as possible). But it is always valuable to practice on different lane conditions if that's what you're trying to improve. For instance, I'm very consistent on a fresh house pattern and during league play. But if I go in on any random day, I know I'll score lower because I have to really determine how that pattern has broken down and then make appropriate changes. And doing that takes me longer than is ideal, so that's what I need to actually practice.
@marcoshavez173 I totally agree. I used to be in a league and it was so nice to have fresh oil every time. I just can't commit to a schedule like that. I bowl anytime from 10 am to 10 pm. Hopefully reworking my form will help but for now I see a huge dip in performance as expected.
Your biggest problem at this stage is your release. You need to roll the ball off of your hand at the bottom of the release. Currently you are forcing through your release. Your wrist is not flexing at the bottom. Your right shoulder is over rotating in the horizontal plane and it's causing you to come around the side of the ball. m.ua-cam.com/video/6LEDZ3nt06M/v-deo.html&pp=gAQBiAQB
As for your bowling, you need to get behind the ball more to get some more speed. It looks like you are getting around it too much. Your hand at the end of the shot should not be above the ball but rather to the side of it.
Bowling alley jobs are weird. If you work a more specialty position you work damn near every position. When I got hired as a pro shop operator i quickly found myself mostly working front desk, running brackets for tournaments, dj-ing for birthday parties, and even rarely helping out mechanics in the back. Bowling centers are also frequently plagued with an immense lack of communication and respect between departments just because of the scope of how different the jobs really are. No one in one position understands the workload of another, and finding staff to consistently keep mechanics and PSO’s in the building is difficult and puts the whole center under stress. If you ever find yourself in western Washington head up to my center and I’ll give you a lesson for a video Channel comment #2🎉
I remember they used to make me run laser tag at one point haha! Bowling alleys seem to just be run super flakey from what I can tell, but maybe that’s just Utah. I appreciate the offer if I ever head up to Washington. I have practiced a lot off screen doing 1 step and 3 step drill along with a change in release. Hopefully there will be drastic changes in the next video! Thank you for the comment and support!
@@aidanhughes6252I’m a coach, I teach people for money, he asked for tips in a previous video and I’m following his journey😂 no hate or ego here homie, just want to help the community
This is the eternal issue with two handed bowling. You often will find that the lanes are too dry for the amount of revs you put on the ball. If you use one hand the ball won't hook as much. Other wise, you need to take a giant step left and throw right. All the marks on the lane are for targetting from the foul line to the range finders if you have them about 40' down the lane.
This is something I actually noticed after filming this video. Watching UA-cam and doing research I noticed:
1. My revs aren't even correct. My hand wraps around the ball when I release super high
2. I can step towards the left in which I never knew I could do. The advice I got before of standing mid and pointing to the 2nd arrow on the left only applies if I don't have a super high rev rate. I always see bowlers in the PBA stand super left probably because of their revs.
Now I'm working on keeping my hand behind the ball and improving my form.
Lane conditions have nothing to do with his issues. His release is completely wrong. He is spinning the ball not putting revs on it. Big difference. He is being lazy with his hand.
I don't agree with this at all, Atochabsh. It fully depends on where you're holding the ball, and from which position you're releasing it.
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*farts cutely*
that was hillarious keep em coming
Thank You so much! I love the feedback and I'm glad this story telling format is valuable. More on the way!
I remember when i first started bowling and did actually alot similar to you. Threw the ball quite far, my timing was very off and i barly had any balance.
I think the best thing you can do is focus on getting more control over the ball in the backswing. Can see you're dropping the ball alot in the backswing, and that can create inconsistency.
You're also using the same pair of shoes i did, in the beginning. And honestly, you should replace them with shoes that give you the opportunity to slide. Sliding will make a huge difference, although sliding isn't necessarily used by everyone..Jesper Svensson for example.
I would also suggest to throw the ball from the foul line, just practising the release and rev. I know it's super boring, but sadly needs to be done.
But the most important...don't waste your time caring about the result on the lanes.
I know it's frustrating to not hit the pocket, or not strike a lot. But if you give it time, and focus on the important stuff...the strikes will come. I talk from experience.
My grammar is probably terrible, but it is what it is. I'm not english😅
But i hope it helped, a little bit at least.
Good luck!
PS:
I wrote a list for myself to know what i should focus on. But remember to always focus on a single task at a time, not multiple at the same time.
That will only make it worse and more hard for yourself.
This is my list (i'm two handed aswell):
- Shoulder must be directed towards your mark
- Slow steps
- Don't force in the backswing (don't push the ball down, let it fall)
- Straighten arm when releasing the ball
- Locking the ball into your body while swinging
- Imagine your arm as a line. When you start the backswing, your arm should always be ''inside'' the same line all the way to release. [i can explain this further if it doesn't make sense]
- Relaxed in the backswing
Something I have noticed with a lot of research and practice off screen is that when I release the ball that high it gives me the opportunity to wrap my arm around the ball creating poor rotation. I also take huge steps because I start from so far back. This creates a lot of room for inconsistencies. I have been working a lot at a fat cats during their late hours. This gives me the opportunity to not car about the results and just practice my form for hours. Thank you for the feedback and watching the video! Changes coming soon.
@@Substitute_Sam
It's not necessarily "wrong" to throw the ball high and far. But the height you get here is probably a "bit" to much.
Sadly bowling has a lot of elements, and it takes time to master it. Excited to see your progress over time^^
I definitely have a lot to work on. I’m hoping to see some drastic changes within the next few weeks
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I'm certainly no coach (and for darn sure not one for two-handed), you said that the conditions were dry, clearly you made a necessary equipment adjustment to a ball with lower hook factor, and you did your absolute best with what you were given, but honestly, it does look like the big elements to practice here are consistency and loosening up. Your shot looks well-practiced, and I think if you had the opportunity to practice properly on a fresh pattern, you'll go a lot further in boosting your consistency, since the outcomes of shots should get more predictable. With that said, do try to loosen up, it'll help make your shots a bit more consistent, less variation in your aim from where you want it to where it's going. And of course, make sure your equipment works with your rev rate and ball speed on the pattern(s) you play, once you do get a consistent shot.
As for toxic leadership, been there, done that, got the t-shirt. It SUCKS. You do everything you're trained to do, but other people just decide that they don't like something about you, and they happen to have power over you, so you get screwed over. I hope you can find something better, clearly that place isn't it.
As I started watching these videos and pro bowling videos I kind of realized that like sure maybe the lanes dry, but any really good bowler could make it work. So I can't blame my lack of skill on the lane. As a result I am re-learning my entire release, form, and step pattern. Working at the alley was funny and I have worked numerous other jobs. Those will be coming shortly!
@@Substitute_Sam Oh no yeah, of course the more skill you gain, the better you'll be on any conditions. The point was more that you can get more meaningful, consistent practice if you can lessen the number of variables you have to deal with. If the goal is just to improve form, release, etc. then you'll get more meaningful practice if, every time you do practice, you're on the same lane conditions (or as close as possible). But it is always valuable to practice on different lane conditions if that's what you're trying to improve. For instance, I'm very consistent on a fresh house pattern and during league play. But if I go in on any random day, I know I'll score lower because I have to really determine how that pattern has broken down and then make appropriate changes. And doing that takes me longer than is ideal, so that's what I need to actually practice.
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@marcoshavez173 I totally agree. I used to be in a league and it was so nice to have fresh oil every time. I just can't commit to a schedule like that. I bowl anytime from 10 am to 10 pm. Hopefully reworking my form will help but for now I see a huge dip in performance as expected.
"I was so sick, I literally had to go home..."
As opposed to... figuratively having to go home?
yes
If I figuratively had to go home I would probably have figuratively gotten fired ;)
Your biggest problem at this stage is your release. You need to roll the ball off of your hand at the bottom of the release.
Currently you are forcing through your release. Your wrist is not flexing at the bottom. Your right shoulder is over rotating in the horizontal plane and it's causing you to come around the side of the ball.
m.ua-cam.com/video/6LEDZ3nt06M/v-deo.html&pp=gAQBiAQB
Fully agreed, working on it!
you literally know nothing
@@aidanhughes6252 tell us then instead of whining lmao
@@okayzimbabweno ion wanna 🥺
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im the wierdo that lines up his shots by staring at the foul line
If it works it works!
As for your bowling, you need to get behind the ball more to get some more speed. It looks like you are getting around it too much. Your hand at the end of the shot should not be above the ball but rather to the side of it.
what in gods name are you yapping about
@@aidanhughes6252 oh no
Bowling alley jobs are weird. If you work a more specialty position you work damn near every position. When I got hired as a pro shop operator i quickly found myself mostly working front desk, running brackets for tournaments, dj-ing for birthday parties, and even rarely helping out mechanics in the back. Bowling centers are also frequently plagued with an immense lack of communication and respect between departments just because of the scope of how different the jobs really are. No one in one position understands the workload of another, and finding staff to consistently keep mechanics and PSO’s in the building is difficult and puts the whole center under stress.
If you ever find yourself in western Washington head up to my center and I’ll give you a lesson for a video
Channel comment #2🎉
I remember they used to make me run laser tag at one point haha! Bowling alleys seem to just be run super flakey from what I can tell, but maybe that’s just Utah. I appreciate the offer if I ever head up to Washington. I have practiced a lot off screen doing 1 step and 3 step drill along with a change in release. Hopefully there will be drastic changes in the next video! Thank you for the comment and support!
I just drove through Utah for the open championships in Vegas !
love that you think you’re good enough to teach anyone else
@@aidanhughes6252I’m a coach, I teach people for money, he asked for tips in a previous video and I’m following his journey😂 no hate or ego here homie, just want to help the community
@@aidanhughes6252 I’m a coach, I teach people for money. Never said anything about how good I am. Helping each other learn is how the game will grow.
What about the scores ?
I haven’t really been good enough to care about the scores yet. I get about 130-160