Do String Pins Ruin Bowling Centers?!
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2023
- Packy Bowls on String Pins For The first time, but did they ruin his home bowling center?
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String pins should 100% be put into an entirely separate category than regular free fall pins. I think they're a great idea for newer bowlers and people who just wanna go out and have fun, but any serious bowler(s) should primarily use Free Fall, especially in tournaments.
I agree and so did usbc, I think usbc sanctioned string pins into a whole different category of sanctioning
@TheHouseBowling that makes the most sense, especially for any bowlers who don't care for them. From what I've seen and heard, the String pins definitely seem easier than the free falling pins, and I suck at bowling😂 but I still like the free falling more, personally.
Strings are in their own separate category... but that's not really the point. Not everyone has multiple local centers to choose from... so if the only place in town goes to strings, then you're stuck with them, and the only sanctioned average you'll have to your name will have an asterisk next to it. This is being shoved down everyone's throat in the name of "saving bowling". The only thing it will save is recreational bowling at $10/ game, for people who couldn't care less what their scores are. This is a giant "fuck you" to anyone who takes the sport seriously.
@@notonyourlife7939 I’m glad to have so many centers near us!
@@TheHouseBowling I'm lucky in that regard myself... but the first domino already fell a couple months back when one of the last independently owned centers around here sold out to some Dave&Buster's style "family fun center". They immediately went to strings, and all the leagues and tournaments packed up and left... several migrating to my home center, lol... we've got leagues 7 days a week now👍. My center is still independently owned, and by all indications they do quite well... but almost everything else around here is Bowlero, and they're gonna force this crap on everybody eventually.
And not for nothing, but as a pro do you really want to win or lose a title because a pin Tarzans itself across the deck and takes out a pin that would otherwise have been left standing on free- fall machines? Because sooner or later, that's gonna happen... Nobody competing at your level should have to be at the mercy of these abominations.
If string pins become a normal in bowling I am retiring from bowling
Agree why would anyone want to practice on something that no longer is in use? They go rid of them for a reason ehhh bad move IMO.
Dance puppet pins Dance!!!
Ain't no way in hell I'll retire from bowling! I'll just build an at-home bowling alley with 4 lanes
@@lucasjundt7760what a joke must be nice to have that kind of money😂😂ridiculous
@@MsEeyore14 I don't have that kind of money, but if every alley went to string pins, I'd find a way
I was invited to the ITRC for testing,went twice, and it appears that both times, most bowlers did better on free falling pins.The best part was I got a free ball after the second session.
Thankfully, I live in an area with lots of centers, so I think I will always be able to choose a center with free fall pins. This is what I will opt for every time I have a choice, even if it costs a lot more to bowl.
I hate them. 220 average bowler posted a video on them and he made the big four, Greek church, and 7-10 all within ten attempts on them. They’re atrocious
those stringpins weren't set up properly. they were so short they might as well have been a windchime
I love 220 average bowler, but I hate that he put up that video in the fashion he did. That alley clearly did not set up the string pins correctly. You can see the differences between these pins (which I would expect to be set up properly given where they are) vs those. These pins were not flying like crazy like his were. These looked more proper compared to what I expected from USBC's reports.
@@marwels23absolutely not string pins are an absolute joke and should never be allowed screw the owners into f the companies thinking they are remotely the same it’s an absolute joke you clearly avg 140
@@MrOsmodeus And you think that if strings went into every house tomorrow, that the vast majority of those house would have them set up strictly to USBC spec? Most houses these days can't even pass a normal USBC inspection. A big reason averages exploded in the 90s and 00s, is because house were intentionally ignoring ABC lane prep regulations, in order to put out higher scoring lane conditions, to draw in more bowlers. If a house can loosen up the strings by half and inch, and get higher scores... you better believe they'll do it.
@@deadpolymers3416 then it's not the stringpins at fault is it? if some centres are more concerned with power fantasy than fair competition, don't bowl at them. they hardly sound like they were worth bowling at irregardless of pinsetting machines
No string pins.... ever.
Haha
I haven't tried it yet, and I already hate it. Looks like it takes the fun out of bowling.
3 things mankind should have never invented:
1. Nuclear weapons
2. String pinsetters
3. Global warming
What I’ll miss the most with string pins is the Deadwood Clears!
So my hometown in Connecticut had two centers for years. One AMF and one Brunswick. The Brunswick one was sold, while the AMF was renovated and became a Bowlero. From what I've heard from one of the centers managers, there's talks to possibly buy back our old Brunswick house from the people who wanted to turn it into a used car dealership but never did. It's still there completely untouched. They would use that house for leagues with free fall pins, while possibly turning the Bowlero into a strictly string pin house. Nothing is confirmed yet, but I feel like that would be a good idea to keep everyone happy.
Freefall pinsetters = more Maintenance but more fun
String pinsetters = less maintenance but less fun
Definitely the more fun one
I get it. I understand why. Still don't like it, but it could be a way to save my home center ( and others across the country). We definitely wouldn't see a decline in the lack of carry we already have there!
Even though the 2 pin did not get rolled, the 8 pin was hit by a string and fell forward, yet in free fall you would have had double wood.
On those single pins they were shooting all over the place and would have converted the 7-10 a few times.
Strings are crazy. I think for pure arcade bowling they would be fun because you would get all kinds of weird ass stuff happening.
Got em with the ole slanted lane trick! Well played..
I think they're awesome. Horse & buggy cleared out for cars, the better technology. Free-fall pins can do the same.
Packy, I hope you do a few more videos on this. Just try to get a camera setup close at an angle that shows the top/rack area well. Looking mainly at spare, mainly splits to be honest, odd carries. Looking to see if you or Mitch or anyone for that matter, get carry a hard split but getting a weird string interaction with pins in the "rack" that are suppose to be out of play. This is one of the things I believe happens more than it should, where the string catches an out of play pin and instantly changes the direction of the pin more so than what it would with the string just alone.
In Canada, I coached a National Championship held on string pins. Had a bowler (very good young man) averaged 256 for 7 games on them. It was tough as you had to watch your bowler, the lanes for changes and also the pins to make sure of the pin fall if it was a string pull or a true fall. I mean just before the shield drops the machine starts pulling the strings back and sometimes the 7 or 10 pin will fall extremely late and the camera most times will count the wrong pin count. Extremely time wasting getting the right call and changing the score. Not the way for competed bowling at a high level, for entertainment and fun leagues yes, high level of the sport no thanks.
AFAIK most string machines uses string tension to check if a pin is fallen, not a camera. But there is a time limit like when the table comes down on freefall machines and hits pins.
Its not fun even for a regular player
I *wanted* to bowl at shocker lanes. But after they replaced the A-2 with strings. I think i would rather go to Northrock or Scneca lanes.
Strings didn't ruin my house because we got them. It ruined my house cause the next town over did... We absorbed all their leagues... Now the only rec time is first thing in the morning, or late at night. Annoying, but mostly just glad it wasn't the one that got changed.
Ryan definitely has Dad's swagger and eye intensity. I remember seeing him and Troy when they were little kids (like 5 or 6) occasionally at classes Sunday mornings in Lewisville, was always a blast with them (plus got some great tips from Mom and Dad :P).
My biggest problem with strings is were is the trade off?
Bowling has gotten so expensive
Yep, I guarantee they'll still want you to buy their $300 balls and $250 high performance shoes while you pay $40 per hour to bowl in the dark on string pins.
Yea, lineage will stay the same for a string pin system 1/5 the price of a normal setup. And you can train anyone in 3 days on how to fix them, so no reason to pay an actual mechanic so there’s another cost cut. It’s all about putting more $ in owners pockets and lowering their operating expenses. I hate it, but as an owner in this economy, it’s hard to argue with them. That is if they can replace league bowlers with open bowlers, because 95% of bowlers won’t bowl league on string systems. At least not yet.
@@briguyinsiright!?!?! How dare a proprietor try to make money? Should give it away and go broke. The economics of owning a business and making enough to live on is insane.
Then throw in dealing with booze-infused asses everyday, or the horror of something like a slip and fall lawsuit for $1-2M….
Like to see everyone give it a run
My center is switching to the QubicaAMF certified strings as we speak. We have a 20 lane house, 3 full leagues (Tues-Thurs) 2 ladies leagues that take up half, a junior and a pee wee league. We haven’t lost a single league bowler because of the switch. SURE we had a lot of threats over the summer that they would not return, but they all did. The more they are learning about the strings the more they are understanding why proprietors are making the switch. Most league bowlers have absolutely no clue what goes on behind the scenes and what it takes to keep a bowling alley going. Yeah balls and shoes are through the roof but inflation isn’t our fault 🤷🏼♂️ and we have to pay the bills just like everybody else. We are looking forward to the “less stress” part of it all. Now we get to put more time and money into other parts of our center. It’s a win win. But yes the game will be different. But as with anything you’ve gotta adapt to change.
So they replace their machines that are already paid for and just need upkeep. I can not see how this is cheaper. A pinsetter that is well maintained is very cost effective to run. And if the string machines are so much cheaper to own and operate why don't bowling alleys lower the cost per game? @@nckjhey
My guy Chris Barnes won his triple crown using the World Beater against Bill O’Neill. Awesome show lol
My local bowling center went with strings 2 years ago, so most of the bowlers around here have gotten used to them. The reset always puts the pins back in the correct position,
so no issues with pins sliding upright into odd positions. A light pocket hit, however, very often results in a 4-5-7 split, where before it was a high probability strike shot. It's not
unusual to see this little split 6-8 times per night among the 8 bowlers on 2 teams. Before the strings, a 4-5-7 split was very rare. Split conversions are easier with the strings and
I've made several 4-7-10 and 4-6-10 split conversions. I average around 200 in two leagues, which isn't bad for a 74 year old guy throwing 13 mph. For splits, I ramp this up to 14.5
mph. The bottom line for me on the strings is that... it's not better or worse, just different, and it's not that hard to get used to string bowling. I like that the equipment is more reliable,
so no long waits for pin machines to be fixed. The play stoppages are brief, usually only 2-3 minutes, and much less often than with free-falling pin machines. It's also cheaper for the
house, which is good because it can mean lower bowling costs as well as the house staying in business during difficult economic times.
They seem more dependable because they're brand new, every moving party wears out eventually and nobody knows what a pain in the butt it will be when when the strings start breaking and the rewind mechanisms start wearing out.
@@stephenwalker6939 All true, no doubt, but when the basic machinery is so much simpler, it usually means that there are less parts to go wrong and therefore greater dependability results. Time will tell, of course. I've been told by the house owner that there are some parts that are prone to wear more quickly than others and that they
have a good supply of those things on hand. After 2 years of bowling with string pins, it's been reasonably good / better than I thought at first.
And? Has it reduced the cost to the bowler?
The pinfall there looked pretty good actually, albeit a small sample size.
trick question, string pins ruin every bowling center
I feel like old school or any place that really have TRUE LEAGUES WON'T AFFORD TO LOSS MONEY. IF YOU REALLY THINK ABOUT IT, now main even an some place like them yeah why wouldn't day lol
Agree
Agreed. I bowled on strings once and it was the worst bowling experience I ever had. Never again.
I dont even like plastic lanes, how the f can I tolerate strings on pins?????
@@davidmedrano7755 huh?
Now we need you and mitch to do a split challenge with string pins.
Got to change with the times I bowl on strings and yes there are some differences but it’s bowling either way might effect your game a few pins here and there or for the good and the bad .. it’s a lot cheaper for the owners to maintain with the shortage of decent mechanics
Packy, Ryan, winning make me feel good too! Not sure if anyone asked this yet, but was wondering about the weight of pins used with strings was different than no strings? Not a fan of string pins, like watching a punch judy puppet show .
This is the first I've seen where pinfall looks acceptable. If this is the proper certified version, I am no longer 100% against it.
Cool video talk tech bowling bowling ball packy
I have nothing but respect for WSU, but this is a bad look for the program...also packy mentioned lack of messengers. thats something i never thought about
Insurance cost a lot when kids with no experience are pin chasing and servicing machines
The Shocker bowling program didn't make the decision. The Rhatigan Student Center, the owners and operators of the bowling center, made the decision. They get new student employees every year, and the old machines were dangerous and more complex to learn and for a never ending cycle of new employees.
It's not ideal, but it's a practice facility. If anything it forces the teams to be more accurate and pay more attention to ideal ball reaction rather than relying on trip fours and messengers. Should make them even more deadly during college competition.
Shockers will adapt, as always
My local university is one of the top programs in the nation, but we've had string pins for the last decade or longer. Easy maintenance on a school campus is always gonna win out. Besides, at this level, these programs aren't there to see crazy pin reaction. They're practicing to hone their physical game, not shoot big scores.
@@joshg218 if only you can train the better and perfectly, they won't have problems working on Free Falls. You'll be lucky if you can find an Autistic Person like me who loves Bowling and comepletely addicted to Free Fall Pinsetters. In fact, I was about 14 Years old clearing a Pin Jam on an AMF 82-90XL Pinspotter. I wasn't hurt and I wasn't even an employee of my local center when I did that, hands down my best experience and I wanna do it again since I'm 20 now.
I haven't bowled with string pins yet, but I just watched my cousin bowl at a place with them for college (can't believe that was allowed). Pins were going down because of the strings a bunch. When there was a late fall, you had to either start inputting all of your scores manually or reboot those lanes and get everyone to another somewhere else. Just seems very counter-intuitive. At least I got a laugh out of seeing all the pins juggling around back there
So you going to be sticking to bowling at Northrock or do you plan on staying here at all?
String pins remind me of the mini bowling you see at arcades
It's literally the same thing as arcade games with longer lanes and $300 balls. Of course, don't expect that part to change any time soon. The industry is fine with that, as are the Pros who are on the take endorsing them while gaslighting you into accepting string pins.
exactly.
If you actually watched the video, you would see that it is not the case here
@@binaryanticommunist1882I bet you are a conspiracy guy
@@agoo7581 I watched it beginning to end. What's not the case?
We have 2 centers in our town, I can see the one getting stringpins, and all the casual bowlers will go there. And the few leagues they still have will probably go to the other house which will never install them.
Oh, I like the freefalls better but the string pins don’t seem too bad
No it's a horrible idea, rhats what family fun centers are for, just wait for you to hit a perfect pocket and almost getting a strick but there is one string pin that keeps the pin from falling over, you will be scared😢
I'm just starting the video so this may be addressed. What I think is important is how the strings are set up. They can definitely be the cause of some strange pin action. But I'm certain most of the centers that are using them aren't taking the time or care to minimize that. I know USBC did a study, but are there any recommendations anyone can actually follow at this point?
We're beyond recommendations at this point...the USBC has already defined a set of standardized specifications for string machines if a center intends to use them for sanctioned competition ... cable length, the dimensions of the pit, distance to the back screen, among other things.
How many total pins are part of the pin setter supply vs how many pins are available to set with strings? I'm guessing 20+ for a normal lane and only 10 for a string lane? Not that has an impact as relevant as the strings.
Good video!
I bowled very low scores today 96, 121, 124, 151 on strings and its hard. I would love to see professionals try it in a tournament. You could call it :PBA String Pin Open
Have you ever tried a handled ball? I hear they are hard to get used to. What are your thoughts?
I've bowled on strings too many times, I sometimes get a strike even tho a pin was standing as another pins string hit the other string and made it so loose that the pinsetter thought that the pin had fallen
Is the PBA Tour good with going to strings ?
Bowling is not a carnival game ,USBC shouldn't have approved any of these string machines
Tested at the itrc and my free fall the second day I averaged 240 and 232 string pin so I’d say that’s accurate
I also was throwing nuts the 2 free fall games
I started on string pin and play on both. I would say that the string pin can knock down an extra pin with a lot of ball reaction. But it also registers different. So the ball can move it will count as not fallen down when in other lanes it can count as a strike. I have a 5 point average in string pin despite that being where I practice. I don't think there is much difference. And I think cost is going to be the long term factor
Before I say no I'd like to try them I've been bowling for a long time. Unfortunately this won't help league because to many will just say no its not real bowling. Open bowling probably will stay the same
As a 215 average bowler, ive bowled sanctioned at a lot of centers and I will say that i do see a lot of AMF or Regular bowling centers being turned into family fun center, and even though centers save up on costs and what not for string-pin bowling, IMO this take the fun out of pin reaction when it comes to striking with a balenced or unbalenced force on the ball. Now it would be funny if the USBC actually does get this certified, 1 it could draw in more families, but the con would be more leeague bowlers would retire, now me personally ive bowled with string pins before and I honestly dont agree with the concept but its different for everybody.
Not a fan of the string pins. I feel that you either get robbed or unreal pick-ups.
Every bowling video Ryan can beat his dad but not u! it's the 2 hands carried us one hander don't get that 🤣😂👏
The background noise you are talking about sounds very similar to what is heard when bowling on Brunswick A or A2 machines. I have heard it more on the A's than on A2's.
do these string pin pinsetters meet USBC sanction certifications?
If string pins bowling is the wave of the future count me out.
Not me ill still go
I seen a few pins getting pulled in a different direction from the strings!!
They have bought them into some centres in Australia and I haven’t heard 1 good thing. If they put it in my home centre I’m retiring
Waiting for that string pin flying eagle video
I feel splits would be easier to pick up for sure!!!
Okay for training purposes... otherwise, not doing it. One center near my home went string-pin a few months ago and I have yet to visit. There is one other mom/pop place nearby but mostly I drive about 40 minutes to the best bowling center in the area. And from what I hear, they are not making the switch. The place that did, I heard they barely oil. I think they just want to host kids parties and get bowlers who just play for kicks and don't have their own bowling balls. Too bad.
That’s why I think it’s perfect for this center, training center only they don’t have leagues or tournaments!
String pins would be cool in a couple of lanes as a sort of "practice lane" for good bowlers. Maybe a few more for the birthday party crowd but the actual comp lanes need the pinsetters.
I bowl on strings in the UK and am not a fan but it is what it is.
Last week in my third game I managed to leave 5 splits but converted 3 so splits are definitely still part of the game.
I hate the 2 handed bowling style!!
I'll take the background noise of a Brunswick A-2 Pinsetter over the not so silent string - pin Pinsetter. Packy there not silent🧐🧐
Do you think string pins will be used later in pba events since they legalized it or used for trick shot events?
Eventually yes, when Bowlero widely adopts them to save money for their centers. Bowlero owns the PBA and they will most definitely have stops at those centers.
Would love to see a video of certified vs non-certified string pins and see the comparison. Pin action and overall scoring differences.
This is funny my centre literally closed yesterday to start installing strings
Better find a new alley
@@itskyyuuuu ours was the only one left next closest normal place it 2 hrs.
Good luck with league bowlers staying
My condolences...
Rather see candlepin bowling become the norm rather than string-pin bowling.
don't knock candlepin bowling it's all we know up here and it's a form of real bowling but it's wicked hard.
I miss candlepin.
And you know candlepin will never have strings attached. ~Greg G 😉
A hundred times this. A _thousand_ times this. Candlepin is REAL bowling.
i've only done tenpin a few times but i've bowled candlepin for over 60 years.@@TheZotmeister
Do the string pins need to be broken in like freefall pins?
the strings need to be broken in. they have a little stretch to them. the whole machine kinda needs to "settle" shouldnt take longer than a week of casual bowling on them. some lanes where i live just put in stringpin and i was over there picking parts off A2's and got to talk to the mechanic in charge about string pinsetters. as a mechanic i think they are awsome for the sport. as a bowler, im not a fan of how they take away some of the crazy messengers and carry i was getting on rickety A2s
The pins also need regular rotation, as otherwise the front pins wear much faster. It's about the only regular maintenance job they need, untying the pins and re tying them to different strings 😅
Real question.. will string pins make the gap between two and one handers smaller ??
I would say yes, power is less important
it would be very interesting to see some close-up, slo-mo pin action comparing similar shots on both pinsetters@@TheHouseBowling
just based on the few frames I saw, String Pins should not have been sanctioned for league use at all. Centers should instead have been made aware that using string machines will cost them USBC sanctioning. You said it and it was shown that "Pin Action" is significantly decreased with the strings. There are no messengers, fewer trips. The game is completely changed. All i see this creating is large companies like Bowlero and other corporate centers taking the cop out for their machines instead of repairing them. They already charge an arm and a leg for everything and this for them will be an easy way to shave off expenses to make more money over the long run. That's what big corporations do, reduce everything to figures. If they can make more money over time with this system and not worry about losing business over leagues and sanctioning then they will of course go this route, no questions asked. Already see those things with Bowlero after they took over the local houses
I've wondered if magnetic pin tops wouldn't be a better alternative to finding an easier way to do pinsetting without something interfering. Obviously you'd have to make sure both the overall weight and weight distribution across the pin would have to be maintained.
There was a pinsetter that used a magnet in the head of the pin. The machines were made by Mendes. There are a few youtube videos about them.
Thank you! @@lightingnut
Packy CAN'T come out of the basement until he shoots a "string Pins" 300!
String pins....not a fan. Never bowled with them (other than at an amusement park). Sure they save money, but changes the game too much in my opinion.
Maybe I just need to try them?
The quality drop going to barnes channel was hurting my soul. Been waiting for the chance to meet Chris, my brother actually went to school with his twins and we had the same home alley for a while and never got to see him
I hear that the reason so many are switching to string pins is cost and safety. While string pins changes the game and the angles of hitting a little bit, it really simplifies the mechanism mechanically. I hear the older free fall pinsetters have over 1000 moving parts, and in the string pin machines, this has been reduced to about 70. The old freefall machines were very heavy, were spring loaded, and were very dangerous to work on. They also required an employee on site if they jammed that was specially trained.
The link to Barnes channel comes back not found
Shoot it’s barnzy bowling!
Thanks
Where I bowl in the UK we now have pins on strings and we have found that we get far less strikes than we used to get and definitely more splits. The overall opinion from us all is that we do not like it as much even though it is cheaper and easier for Bowling Alleys to have them.
Using full game scores only in the study is flawed. All that does is allow for multiple differences to cancel each other out. Like when I was in college and with a very basic classroom set up, measured the speed of light to within 0.0001%. Not because I had so little errors. But because my multiple large errors happened to be on either side and resulted in a crazy close number.
Does Shocker Bowling Alley allow anyone to bowl or just students and alumni?
I have bowled on lanes that have strings and for me every other throw the pins will get tangled and the machine has to be fixed
The last minute of this video is why comparing average scores between strings and free fall misses the point. It's obviously a different game. It doesn't matter that the differences that negatively impact scoring are well-balanced against those that positively impact scoring. It's a different game. If your favorite golf course doubled the diameter of the holes, but placed random spikes on the green to deflect and obstruct the ball, scores might end up being pretty similar, but no one would cite that to justify those changes.
They create the hung 10…when the the 10 goes because the string wraps around its neck and pulls it down. No more really cool bird dogs and messengers…as he notes.
I mean, I can totally get why some alleys would opt for this. I knew someone who worked at an alley that shut down, and a major reason why Bowling alleys struggle is because the mechanisms that set up the pins are so complex and a nightmare of maintenance costs, they had to shut down half the isles because of how tight their budget was. Something like string pins does levy some of that. Obviously, it has some downsides, but I think overall, it's worth it in the long run for them. You dont see many bowling alleys these days.
I'm curious, how many 300 / 800 games have been shot on strings, how much harder it is to do it
R. I. P BOWLING!!
The physics of string pins will never be the same as free fall pins no matter how hard they try. Big nope for me.
How about messengers with string pins??
What the!! I’ve never seen real Bowling with string pins. It’s usually more of an arcade game in NYC area 🤷🏻♂️
While string pins will never be a 1 to 1 replication of free fall bowling, I think at this point there has to be some give and take. If string pin bowling lanes help keep bowling centers open and let's them get a bit more profit, then I'm all for it. Unfortunately I've seen a couple of centers close around me and there haven't been any new bowling-specific centers built where I'm at in some time (I don't think any have been built in my lifetime). Maybe this will encourage people to see that the cost of entry to build a bowling center be a bit more feasible and have them start opening more of them instead of seeing them close down. The last thing I want to see happen is to have bowling die off and fade into obscurity. I love watching it and coaching it.
No... If string pin lanes are the only thing that 'saves' a bowling center from closing... then let the damn thing close.
Bowling centers close when one of two things happen.
1.) The ownership doesn't manage their business properly.
2.) The public in that area loses interest in bowling.
The USBC, and its predecessor, the ABC, mismanaged the success of league bowling for years, and served the needs of league bowlers less faithfully, year after year, until you got to a point, where over 50 percent of league bowlers now, bowl in unsanctioned leagues.
They decided the money paid to the USBC was money up a piggy's butt, and said "Screw this... we'll do it ourselves! We don't need them or their BS!".
Now? The USBC is struggling mightily to reverse the trend, and they've got nothing to offer.
They're so focused on getting bowling into the olympics (which more and more, are irrelevant, because your average member of the public couldn't give a damn less about the olympics!), that they've let their league and tournament bowling suffer immensely.
The chickens are coming home to roost on the USBC, and the best part is... they're the ones loading the revolver with all six rounds, pointing it at their head, and then wondering why they have a new hole in the head when they pull the trigger. They're doing it to themselves!
And bowling proprietors are LETTING them do it!
So are the manufacturers!!
Get your popcorn and get ready for a show... because I think you're watching bowling's total collapse in slow, painful progress.
@@gwencrawford737I can 100% see how this option can allow a struggling center to stay open. If they are on the verge of closing because they can't spend the $500K to install new pin setters and have trouble with a good mechanic this is a viable option. It's still an expensive install! Taking away a $40-60k salary a year is a huge thing to help a center stay alive.
The GP doesn't understand how expensive every bit of bowling is to keep up and maintain. Scoring is SUPER expensive and lots of centers need upgrades in that department. Pins are very pricey. Also lots of centers are running into quite aged synthetic lanes...not to mention they have pin setters from the 60s.
Lanes are 250k (for a 16-18 lane center)
Scoring is 100-200k
Strings are gonna be 300k
Free fall is double or more over strings
New oiling machine 35k
Yet league bowlers show up each week and sneak food into the centers and complain about everything they can find. Food too high, beer is too high, bowling too high, house changed the pattern...center employees hate working league nights because they get fussed at all night about nonsense... Not to mention bartenders make the least in tips on league nights.
WHEN I see the PBA use them...................
BE HILARIOUS TO WATCH THE FREE FALL LANES SHRINK TO THE POINT OF NO OTHER CHOICE FOR THE PBA
100% this. Then I'll laugh. Actually I'm laughing now. Name one pro who's spoken out against them. If they don't care about their profession, why should fans? Can you imagine people tuning in to watch string pins on Saturdays?
I think it would be good for home use as well.
Pretty soon they’ll put in continuous bumpers in the gutters
Why would an alley convert from normal pin setters to string pins? I would get it if they were building a new facility but if you already have the gear why change?
Maintenance costs are way lower with string pins. It's an upfront investment for long-term savings
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Now we will have to maintain two averages if we expect to fairly compete in handicapped tournaments.
It all comes down to cost. Our lanes can barely keep the fans on the returns running much less the pinsetters. Sad. Recently they got a liquor license which will help. Lastly there are no real mechanics left for maintenance. No one want to fix machines for minimum wage. So many places will move to strings and I too will retire. Btw I bowled on some Six years ago. I did not know they were string pins and could not figure out what was going on. Many random pins falling and not many or any messengers.
i could see them for casual bowling for an occasional night out but not for league bowlers.
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Instead of being ruined, why not try to improve it?
I almost recently heard about this and while I didn’t actually played bowling on an ally that has that machine, it seems like a next big step.
Also, when I said why not try to improve it, I mean make all of those strings longer and more loosen after setting up those pins. That way it will have more freedom and it will be the same like playing a real bowling, compared to if the string gets too tightened. Its problem would generally be, if the strings are too tight, while too loosen is also a problem.
Also, before this machine or so, I have also seen a machine but a toy targeted to kids that automatically sets pins (containing 6 pins total) but without using strings. Not sure how to exactly explain but the pins from this toy are actually attached to its celling by somewhat of a cylinder and if they get knocked down then the pins raises up. That toy is called “Arcade Alley Bowlercade”.
If it gets into a problem like strings getting tangled, then that’s when staffs or employees would need to fix them.
I played bowling for several years and know how those pins get knocked down or the machine works
Real bowling centers shouldn't go strings. sorry not sorry.
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4:42 For me, this shot is the perfect summary of string vs. free. I’m not a huge fan of string, but it could work based on the decreased maintenance needs. Bowlers are gonna need to THROW. BETTER. SHOTS. on the whole, though, because trips and messengers are just not gonna be there to have your back as often.
To answer your question - yes