Dr. Allen Davis: Ellen G. White, A Prophet for Profit
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- Опубліковано 25 жов 2024
- Some would contend a study of the errors of SDA-ism must begin with what began the movement: the 2300-day prophecy. And though this prophecy is a logical place to begin, I’m not of the opinion it should be the first. Although a seven-headed hydra, lopping off this one head of SDA-ism would bring its utter demise and leverage a forcing function for genuine reform.
An insightful viewer -- @mpattilo -- wrote the following:
I am not nor have ever been SDA. I was raised Jehovas witness and was LDS. I left the LDS church when I tested the prophet against the bible. My SDA friend gave me the great controversy series, Which I tead. EGW is a false prophet who plagerized from another false prophet, Joseph Smith. SDA and LDS share many of the same beliefs and doctrines because both religions are based on false prophets. I ferl.sonsorry for SDA people because you are so mislead and do not even know how EGW plagerized Joseph Smith's visions of heaven because you are discouraged from questioning EGW and her heavily plagerized writings. When I saw the similarities between EGW's writings and visions with those of Joseph Smith, I began to research her history and lineage. What I found is EGW is a false prophet whose visions and writings are the basis for the entire SDA religion. SDA doctrines are not biblical and can only be understood based on EGW's writings. If you try to find them in the bible, they just are not there. But most troubling as is also true with LDS is both discouraged members from testing the prophet or questioning. Both EGW and Joseph Smith were hypocrits that did not follow their own teachings and both churches hide the hypocrisy of their prophets from their members. Both religions use the exact same tactics to keep members from thinking and using the bible as their main source of belief. Both religious view the bible through the writings, visions, and revelations of their prophets instead of viewing their prophets through the bible and testing them against the bible. The Bible is clear, a single failed prophecy means the prophet is false. EGW had many failed prophecies. EGW blamed her failed prophecies either on the failure of the members to be ready or that God changed his mind. This is unbiblical. God's prophecies never fail or change as is evidenced by the bible and it's fulfilled prophecies to date. If you are being honest, the you have to admit EGW has been wrong and has plagerized her visions from others including Joseph Smith. JW, LDS, and SDA all claim to be the true remnant church, all three have failed prophets, all three share similar doctrines, and all three have unlbiblical doctrines that are based on the writings of their prophets. A three churches discourage members from questioning their prophets and use the exact same tactics against anyone who asks questions. All three religions prophets were tied to and influenced by free masonry (both EGW and her husband have masonic headstones). All three religions have similar "health" messages. All three religions sprang from the most radical branch of the methodist church. The similarities between SDA, LDS, and JW is more than a coincidence, all are decived by fallen angels who guided their prophets in their visions , prophecies, and revelations (all three share that with Islams prophet Mohammed). Joseph Smith and EGW have visions of heaven that are almost identical so both must be deceived by Lucifer or EGW plagerized Joseph Smith's visions. Either way, she is proven false.
Good stuff and important for all to understand.
@@msskylark1Thank you for supporting this channel with your comments and engagement. You would do well to focus on the content of what is being said, rather than continuing to make personal attacks on Dr. Davis; these uncharitable comments are often read as less than Christian, and not befitting a follower of our Lord Jesus.
Please... put some spaces between each 5 or 6 sentences. Otherwise, it is very hard to keep my place.
@@danielocarey9392 Dr. Davis reposted this comment from a viewer; it is not from him. I agree-one large block of writing is much more difficult to read.
When I repost comments, I do so as is. I agree, it’s difficult to read.
Trying to bring this up with my fiancé and her family, they are sda. They love Jesus, very good people, but I see them only studying the sabbath school writings. I want to do it in a loving manner, just don’t know how yet. Any guidance would be appreciated
15:32 Completely agree. If you state you are a Seventh-day Adventist but you do not uphold Ellen and her teachings, then you void your baptismal vows and disagree with the fundamental beliefs of the church. She is THE identifying mark of the Remnant™church. In the absence of Ellen, the SDA church no longer qualifies as the Remnant according to their own teachings.
BINGO! I always appreciate how you provide such poignant zingers.
We were never baptised into egw, there was no 28 fundamentals in our days
When was that?
Sadly my heart goes out to folks who look to people for truth and put faith in them rather than do a deep Berean study of God and His Word. I can relate though I've never been apart of SDA. To seek and know God it helps to do a deep study of His Word over the writings of any person. I just found out about the Complete Jewish Bible and Woe getting back to the original language and understanding cultural as well as historical context really opens it up and looking to the Holy Spirit really has helped me grow as a believer. Discernment is key as well prays all former SDA heal from the hurts of this movement and are able to move forward in their relationship with Him my prayers are with you🙏🤗😔🙏
Dr.Davis as a believer myself I wish to give u the same counsel Gamaliel gave to his peers as recorded in Acts 5:33-39.
I appreciate the passage. I’m not entirely certain what you mean by “I’m a believer myself,” but I’ll take it at face value. That said, SDA-ism’s issues must be exposed. Gamaliel’s words cannot be taken in isolation, for if so, then John’s admonition and a highlighting of heresy in his first letter would be contrary to counsel, wouldn’t you think? You might want to ponder this idea.
Acts 5:39 (KJV) But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.
Exposing your truth as you see/believe it to be, does not make it so. So why the angry, obsessive attack on SDAs? I don't see you attacking other religions in the same manner...
If this is a false religion, movement or cult, it will disintegrate without your help...God will see to it.
But if not...beware!!
Fragile people. ❤ God bless you and help you to Him.
From an active SDA literature evangelist of 23 years.
I am 49 years old and now just finding the gospel . I thought I had it as a sda by judging others and seeing the devil everywhere . I was a monster to people and I thought I was so favored by being legalistic
Mind if I ask about your new faith? What do you believe now and what don't you believe anymore?
we were blind but now we see, Amen, gospel is in 1 cor 15:1-4. through the blood.
Old masonic witch miss white was a liar,afraud,,a false prophet,,a conartist ,a deceiver,,a blasphmer who is going to the final judgment for her wickedness . From young Robert.
Yep! we were all there die hard legalist. Thankyou Jesus for the new light and understanding of the true gospel and for setting me free from the you of bondage. Galatians 5: 1
To be carnally-minded is death, but to be spiritually-minded is life and peace.
Most do not realize the hurt and pain one feels when you come to the realization that your denomination the Adventist denomination, the one that taught us that we were “it” only to realize that the doctrinal teachings are an insult to the intelligence of God. It is the great delusion! That if it we’re possible would fool the very elect and steal their soul.
I thank God for His revelation of Jesus, the foundation, the mediator, king of Kings and Lord of Lords.
Hebrews 1:1,2. Tells us that God speaks through Jesus and Jesus alone. He is our Prophet and king!
Therefore God did NOT send Ellen.
The Spirit of truth has come and leads us and shows us of things to come. John 16:13.
We need no other voice but the pure unadulterated voice of Jesus. My Sheep Know my Voice. John 10:27
Well said. 👍
What about Paul?
@MrsSimLuva What about him? Would anything change if Paul’s voice were removed from the sacred texts? Would we understand Jehovah’s plan any differently than we do? Upon what are Paul’s writings founded? Does he stand alone in what he wrote?
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the epistles of Paul are the same as all the books bishops pastors reverend etc have written
the only scriptures i take seriously are the entire old testament, Matthew Mark luke John acts 1 to like 12 or to 14, then revelation ie once saul(paul) came & was appearing to elevate himself above Peter & co i question so many of Paul's letters
Keep up the good work.
Error must be exposed especially when it is pertaining to salvation.
Sunday churches are daughter's of Babylon
Absolutely! That's THE area on which we cannot afford to be wrong!!!
Thankyou Dr Allen,
I was a SDA for about eight years.... Whilst is was all in, I had a niggling doubt in the back of my mind. When I left it was about 20 years when my dear friends decided to go back into the church after about 25 years out. I started to really dive into testing her. I truly was shocked at the out and out deception Ellen White taught. I sent my friends a folder with over 70 pages of evidence. But sadly they still a blinded. My heart is breaking . 😢.
The hardest part about leaving SDA-ism is wondering where to go. It's really difficult, I can assure you. For me, my convictions still hold fast to many of the historic teachings, which were incorporated into SDA-ism, and so unlike some who have departed, my pendulum did not swing completely to the other side.
Some have incorrectly mentioned I have a new-found faith. No, not really. I’ve simply found balance and peace in my Savior and Lord, Jesus Christ. But for the record, here’s what I believe: The Bible, and the Bible only; one God, Jehovah; Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God; a literal 7-day creation; Sabbath-keeping in honor of redemption and a total rest in Jesus; the struggle between good and evil; the state of man in death; the decaying planet (i.e., fallen world) and God's Rx to facilitate physical, mental, and spiritual health; pure religion - relieving suffering (i.e., thinking of serving others before serving self); righteousness by grace thru faith alone; the literal second coming of Christ; the destruction of the wicked; Eden restored.
you too are waiting to receive the mark of the beast
why ?
@@DrAD767 there
there is nowhere to go because they are all Babylon unless you return tj SDA 3 angels message you ll receive the mark of the beast
@@DrAD767 I am inspired by what you are saying
Pls I will want to understand what the 2300 days nw actually meant
Because if it's not 1844 it's then another because God's word is sure
Thanks
Do you know what the mark of the beast is? Better yet, do you understand the seal of God?
Thank you for your boldness in sharing the truth about the falseness of the SDA teachings. As a SDA for 39 years, I have been an ardent reader of EGW writings especially "Steps to Christ" (So gospel oriented) which I used in many of my Sabbath School programs. Later, reading some of her other books, found it contrary, very controlling, scary, confusing and legalistic. Puting cognizant dissonance aside, and because I only wanted the Truth as in the Holy Bible, I decided to read SDA renounced and the White Lie. Desmond Ford on the Investigative Judgement and 2300 days made plenty of sense. I came to the conclusion that I could never accept a Fake prophet who stole from others, it's blasphemous to say that it came from God and her deceptive teachings. SDA preach a different Gospel from what Paul taught in the Bible. I am very happy to know that I am saved by grace through faith.
Amen, I’m in lock step with you.
You can look at all of history date's what ever you want. If you didn't accept things she said did that mean there's no salvation for you. Did she speak anything against the scriptures. Did she point you to Jesus, is the Sabbath yhe Lords day? The SDA church stands on scriptures not ellen white, that's where you went wrong, more like worshiping her and history, if not someone stepped on your toe and it's burning 🔥 your hurt you.
@@jamesblyden2300 ADVENTISM IS IN TROUBLE WITH THE SCRIPTURES
@@billhendricks5375 Thoroughly debunked? Here again, the keyboard scholars and experts spouting off at the fingers.
Prove your claims or be silent.
@@billhendricks5375 The entire passage, in its rightful context, is my charge. Thx for reminding me.
I recently accepted the Sabbath as a day of rest , and I love it, but I can't find myself being a seven day Adventist. My reason is they preach more about Mrs White. And not from the Bible.
Thx for sharing your comments. You are definitely not far from the Kingdom of God. Keep marching forward!
Hi I too believe in honoring the 7th day as the bible instructs..But no EGW teachings..
I have found watching Parable of the Vineyard on you tube employs our critical thinking skills, as it exposes the myths that we have been led to believe over time. Also Bible studies ever week ..
@sisagee3701 - I agree with you and others sharing their experiences also❤.
Although I was a 1st generation Adventist and returned back to SDAism in 2015, I too am now coming to the same conclusion about EG White. For example, being taught to accept that we will stand without a mediator and we are in need of perfection now, brings a fear and almost anxiety that has made me feel God is standing over us with a big stick; so it is with much relief and peace it gives me hearing Dr. Davis explain the truth and how our relationship needs only be with the One True God and his only begotten son Jesus, who will be the author and finisher of our faith when he returns, which I believe is imminent.
Yes it is nauseating hearing EW quoted, and I have seen that she is a stumbling block to many who would otherwise become Adventist. For me, I think the SDA church has the true doctrines and prophetic interpretation, and am Adventist, but I certainly no longer accept EW as a prophet.
Do you think that the words given to the church through the prophet Jeremiah in his day should not have been analyzed, discussed and communicated to the full body of believers?
So glad to be out of this false religion. I was born and raised in the SDA Church I was even a baptized member (I was baptized in 2005). I left the Church in 2010 during my second year of High School. I did not have a healthy upbringing in the church.
My baptism journey in Adventism was also quite toxic.
My parents were also huge Walter Veith watchers. I was subject to a lot of Walter Veith growing up as an SDA.
I grew up with veith, bohr, batchelor, finley etc.
What is it you don’t like about Walter Veith
Examples
You're so emotional I'm glad you're gone ! We don't need weak fake Christians like you! The SDA church beliefs come from the word of God! Watch and see that you were wrong the United States will turn to a one world religion government and you will see 🤫
We need to get you connected with Myles from Answering Adventism.
@@DrAD767 I am subscribed to Myles content. Sadly I don't have a computer so I am not sure if video chatting will work. Plus I live in Canada so long distance is a thing.
If I ever have the opportunity to actually talk with Myles I would be happy to.
I had an entire box full of her books. I was giving consideration to the SDA. But I did more research and decided that I should throw out those books and focus on reading my Bible instead. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, research 🔬 and experiences
Thank you for this message, brother. I have been attending SDA church for about a year. Everything they have taught me so far has made sense to me, but I see se weird stuff, too. For example, I don't understand why they won't eat meat when there are clean and permissible animals. I thought those who did not eat meat were like unnecessary extremists. but I see that they are following their own version of Joseph Smith. I used to be a Mormon, too.
I have been asking God to lead me to the Truth, and I think I have always had it in my hands: in the Bible.
SDA-ism is a very insidious trap because, like you stated, so much of what they believe and teach makes sense. That is, until it's examined using the Bible, absent of the EGW lens. Having been a Mormon, I'm sure you understand this issue very well.
Re: the vegetarian matter and the eating of unclean foods, personally, I'm of the opinion the clean vs. unclean extends beyond the ceremonial: there is science to back up what God Himself called clean and unclean. Thus, for SDAs to take what God prescribed and say to the effect, "Jesus didn't have the Spirit of Prophecy, and God revealed more light to Ellen White" re: foods and health, is simply absurd.
Vegetarianism, and especially veganism, is dangerous: in the long run, it will diminish the body's vitality. Some SDAs claim vegetarianism, and when they say so, they mean they don't eat mammalian (e.g. ruminant) flesh. They will, however, eat fish. Well....that's not vegetarian; rather, it's pescatarian.
Anyway, lest I digress....the fact you have the Bible in your hand is a blessing. Read it. Find the real Jesus within its pages. Find the only true God within its pages. Find peace and realize, God wants more than anything for you to be with Him in the earth made new. His desire is that all should repent and find redemption in His only-begotten Son.
Remember we did not always eat meat. God gave permission to eat meat after the flood.
Trace the ages of men. Methuselah 969 yrs. We live maybe 80 yrs with a few exceptons. Read the accoubts in Genesis. When meat was introduced into the diet, mankinds lenght of life diminished greatly from almost 1000 yrs to 3 score and 10
Read the bible account. . .we can eat meat but not the blood in the meat.
Also we wont eat meat in the new earth. There will be no more death.
Lastly vegetarians tend to live longer with less lifestyle issues.
When you will receive the truth you will know the true church because the others are denominitions.
Recommending the book “A Response to the Video” by Bob Pickle. He clears up a lot of these false accusations.
Because of your stance, and because we have taken into ourselves doctrines of men. We just need to be in repentance or asking for forgiveness for ourselves ❤ and praying for the rest
TS2009 (THE SCRIPTURES)
This is the best version Bible I have ever read.
🙏🙏🙏
Thank you again sir,
My wife is a SDA I was invited one Saturday and the way they claim themselves the remnant church and basing the scriptures of Daniel and John in revelation about the mark of the beast and catholism critic just put me off..
So I decided to do a research about it and wow it just blew up my mind so I tried convincing my wife and showing her all the proof of her testimonies and doctrines she still couldn’t agree with me enough.
Then soon, she slowly comes to tell me she’s having doubts now.
I’m hoping and praying she would see the truth like I did and come out.
May God guide her out of this church and show her the light.
I’m sorry I cannot include the scriptures but much of it you have already quoted in the beginning of your video.
I’m more privileged to have come across this amazing truth that you’ve shared.
May God bless us all and forgiveness of our sins. God bless you sir.
By the way, I’m from Papua New Guinea
So sad you are turning your wife away from God
@Loveabounds Your comment is woefully inappropriate and indicative of being brainwashed by a cult. Shame on you!
@@DrAD767 shame on you for trying persecute Christian’s
@Loveabounds. You have a very twisted mindset. SDAs are *NOT* Christians. You’ve provided an A+ example in how you’ve insulted a sincere viewer. Please, I implore you, repent and be converted, that your sins might be blotted out.
What was your source of research sir. Distorted misinformation and accusations can be just as deceitful and harmful as a two-edged sword!!
I had a girlfriend who was a 7day Adventist and when the pandemic happened they closed the church and this girl lost her mind I could not comfort her by letting her know she is the church the people are the church and she just fought against me saying no I need to go to church. It was perplexing to me because I was taught to study to show myself approved
Agreed!
Also, the failure of the SDA church to push back on pandemic restrictions was pretty sad... (also a sign by which I knew it was time to get out.) Sure there were some individuals within the church who were more genuine believers and took a stand against the vaccine mandates, etc. but by and large the denomenation caved in.
@@starman8086 Yes. Denominations are what they are (Satan's house) divided against itself and the Fathers house is united in Spirit and Truth sanctified. It took me a long time to understand the difference between being spiritual minded and carnal minded. When I grew up in Spirit I was able to see these Spirits controlling people hoping from one person to another even one spirit inhabiting two different people at one time these things made me be more careful around people who profess to be Christians. I noticed one thing in common with these people they always glorified a man (as their pastor)and never the Father this shows me they never listened to Christ(John 17) they only listened to and put their trust in man. I have become one in need of strong meat and not milk I'm able to teach but I must be careful because the world hates me
We appreciate your videos. I used to work for the church too. Their deception snd greediness, was very upsetting.
I was an SDA teacher. I felt "called" and special.
The last school I was at had been closed and abandoned.
They hired me, with promises of my feature there, I invested my all in that school. It was dirty and abandoned when I first got there.
Little did I know, they had also promised my position to another.
So, when her school closed, due to lack of students, they worked hard against me, to push me out and then thought they could make me quiet about this.
So much deception, behind the scenes in the way church "business" is performed. So so sad.
I was complete oblivious to all this. Very sheltered. Very trusting. So, I fell hard.
It is only by God's working I found the "Formers" and I am still very much a Christian. I learned how much Jesus loves me. He wants me in heaven. It is not a "point system" to "get into" but a relationship, with Most High God.
Your story is heart-wrenching, but not surprising. This is the manner in which cults operate: subterfuge, deception, sleight of hand, etc. Sadly, the closer one gets to the conservatives of SDA-ism (which some would think is a better lot), the worse it gets.
Like you, we also had to deal with the hurt, the distrust, and all that comes with being associated with those who are more interested in preserving their political, economic, and religious fiefdom than in truth and having a relationship with the Most High.
Thx again, for sharing your story, and I pray you find assurance, peace, and hope in our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.
How sad that your faith was reliant on human recognition and accolades.
Our calling is to follow Christ's example despite rejection...humility, love and a forgiving spirit.
Now you choose to follow Dr. Davis' same spirit of anger, and spitefulness? Please pray for a new spirit...🙏🏻🙏🏻
Looking forward to it. It's nice to see someone else who keeps the sabbath who is exposing this. I'll be sure to share this on my yourube community board and other sites I'm on.
Love your channel ❤️ Keep going and don't worry about the naysayers. This content will reach and save so many others that need to hear the truth, which can be found in the WORD OF GOD alone 🙏
Praying for you sir.
For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. Timothy 4:3-4
For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.
2 corinthians 11:13-15
You’ve described Ellen White and her ministry to a “T”! I very much appreciate you pointing out the matter so clearly.
And that is today!
By their fruits ye shall know them, not by distorted accusations or misinformation...
Those too are deceitful tools used by Satan, esp. in these end times...beware!
@@DrAD767 really? Was not aware you were such a close and intimate friend of hers.
Take heed my friend and don't be so easily deceived...🙏🏻😉
@@judithirizarry9952I’m not your friend, and you’re not mine. Clearly, you haven’t been listening. I pray you come out of the cult before it’s too late.
I wish the church never published "28 fundamental beliefs" I have read 57 books by EGW "original" and compilations, and there is a lot there that I find very insightful and worth reading. I have never agreed her to be a prophet or authoritative. I do like Desire of Ages, Mount of Blessings, and Christ Object Lessons the best. I have read all the various book against her and her work over the last 50 years. .."but test everything that is said. Hold on to what is good and stay away from every kind of evil." I do this with every Christian author I read outside of the Bible. I wrote this while eating a BLT...God Bless
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What's BLT😂
Dr. Davis, it's a breath of fresh air listening the contents of your channel. I'm from Jamaica and worship in a small group where God has guided us to make similar discoveries through the study of His word. We would like to get in contact with you. Please inform me how to do so.
Thx for your support and encouragement! Please post your email, and I’ll remove it as soon as I have it.
@@DrAD767 Please remember to make contact🙂
Since being a member of this organization (SDA) for more than 40 years, I can honestly say Ive suffered greatly under the mind programming method of EG white. But since the dream God gave me about the huge rock on the highest mountain, a Rock which a beautiful white church was perched, was pushed off and was destroyed from its great fall. Since the dream I have learned to not look to the church, but Christ the solid Rock. If you dont build your house on the Rock, you build it in vain, and will fall and great will be your fall. I stand on also Matthew 24:11 and Hebrews 1: 1,2 . a fellow Believer.
That's such a good way to describe it: mind programming. We also call it "brainwashing", not unlike the propaganda movements in the former USSR and Nazi Germany.
Jesus Christ is indeed the stone which the builders rejected and is the cornerstone of His church. Thank you for sharing your comment!
the people are legalista
some but the teaching is from God
Sunday churches are Babylon
@@earthlastdaybiblechannelHow can the teaching of a liar, false prophet, plagiarist and manipulator be from God!!!? He has NEVER endorsed a false prophet! Ever! 😢
And He never will. "...all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death." Revelation 21:8b
She must have been totally aware that she was deceiving people.
How is EGW writings 'mind programming'? I've been reading EGW counsels and teachings for over 70+ years and have felt great comfort and peace on many dark occasions, while pointing to God's Word...
@@judithirizarry9952 you have been reading all that time and have not seen the contradictions in her writings. I was raised SDA, had only read GC before 2020 - started reading all her writings then, after reading Early Writings, GC 1858, 1884, DA, Acts of the Apostles, PP, PK. Steps to Christ, Thoughts from the Mount of Blessings, Sketches from the Life of Paul, SoP Vol 1, 2, 3, 4 and countless of letters and articles; by 2023 I was amassing quite the list of contradictions and questionable statements.....I was then led to Test the Prophet. Found SDA church does not even begin to list all the tests that are found in the Bible. Especially Jeremiah 23:9-40. I knew she was accused of copying, had no clue the extent of it, and believed the rhetoric that it was not illegal then. I then realized it is irrelevant that it was not illegal, it is still immoral in the eyes of God and the sign of a false prophet. Jer 23:30-32
I was born in a family of SDAs both my mother's and father's side. I left SDA about 20 years ago. I never regret of my decision although my family asking me to go back to the church. 3 cultic doctrines of that I found in the church: 1.The seventh day Sabbath necessary for salvation and Sunday worship is the mark of the beast. 2. The investigative judgment, and 3. The spirit of prophecy of EGW.
Thank you Brother. Standing for truth has never been popular, but it should get us thinking.
Arthur L White's biography on his grandmother, displays 2 photos in which a seated row of gentlemen were giving the Masonic "Hidden Hand Behind the Second Vail" signal, And JN Loughborough, one of the primary witnesses to most of EGW's public visions, is one of them.
The Bible is my continuous guida ce
Yes, that is true. The White family has history being involved with Freemasonry, which is demonic. I am so glad a left the SDA church after discovering the dark side of Ellen G. White and SDA.
If any were apostate unbelievers or devil worshippers, God will reward them according to their actions...remember Judas was one of Jesus' disciples, but He never cast Judas out!! Think about that...🙏🏻😉
THANK YOU DEAR BROTHER FOR YOUR HEART OF CARE AND PERCEPTION. BLESSINGS AND KEEP SHINING.
Thank you for your clear description of Bible truths!
You can look at all of history date's what ever you want. If you didn't accept things she said did that mean there's no salvation for you. Did she speak anything against the scriptures. Did she point you to Jesus, is the Sabbath yhe Lords day? The SDA church stands on scriptures not ellen white, that's where you went wrong, more like worshiping her and history, if not someone stepped on your toe and it's burning 🔥 your hurt you.
@@jamesblyden2300 UR LIKE A STUCK R3CORD BECAUSE OF UR INDOCTRINATION UR CLEARLY SUFFERING FROM COGNITIVE DISSONANCE.
it's all Babylon teaching he's saying
@@jamesblyden2300 THE SCRIPTURES POINT U TO SCRIPTURES NOT MAN
You folk need to stop worshiping Ellen White.
Often, people who Claim to be SDA but reject Ellen are those who say “ I’m an SDA because I accept the 7th day sabbath, and believe in the second coming of Christ.
However I couldn’t continue to keep the name because the Name has meaning, it has a history and theology and doctrines. I do not want to be a part of a system that does not understand the simplicity of the atonement on the cross. No two phases, It was Once and for All.
Ellen true prophet
Sunday churches Babylon
@@earthlastdaybiblechannel delusional demon.
@@earthlastdaybiblechannelSunday has been seen as the "Lord's Day " since the inception of the New Testament church. You'll find it referred to a number of times in the New Testament 😊
Shabbat is the day of rest relating to the creation, and God Himself resting, as the Old Testament states.
It was part of God's Covenant with Israel and has never applied to any other nation.
You lack knowledge
@urbanusndolo9255 If you have something helpful to say, then please add an explanation to your comment. Otherwise, you’re being a distraction.
Denominations do not save! Jesus saves! I left the Adventist Church three years ago when upon studying the word of God, I found that the trinity and many more doctrines within the Church is not biblical! It's sad that many of my SDA friends are still in error and they worship Sister White as if she is God almighty and they have spread many lies concerning my beliefs now! That's ok, God and His Son is living in me and guiding me into all truth and that's all that matters! 😊
Hi, what do you believe concerning God since you left the trinity doctrine?
Whom are you asking?
@@DrAD767 I meant to ask the person who wrote the comment above, but I've been searching your channel for your answer, so I will be glad to hear it!
@@jb_1971 I'm a non-trinitarian, but neither of the Arian nor semi-Arian persuasion. I'll discuss my understanding in a future video. Lest I'm misunderstood, I do believe Jesus is the Son of the Living God and fully divine. Further, He existed prior to His incarnation.
@@DrAD767Be encouraged brother in your study of Gods Word. Like you I saw the lies and deceit of the adventist business cult. Young Robert in Australia.
Which is it? This is all one quote.
“We are not to make the use of flesh-meat a test,
but we may and should consider the influence that professed believers who use flesh-meat have over other churches.
Those who use flesh-meat disregard all the warnings that God has given concerning this question.
They have no evidence that they are walking in safe paths.
They have not the slightest excuse for eating the flesh of dead animals. God’s curse is resting upon the animal creation. Many times when meat is eaten, it decays in the stomach, and creates disease. Cancers, tumors, and pulmonary diseases are largely caused by meat eating.” { TSDF 79.7 }
She was a double-minded and silver-tongued serpent, as far as I’m concerned. We know what God thru James had to say about such folk.
@@DrAD767 My file on EGW of contradictory statements and ones that make God and His Word a lie continue to grow sadly.
We are not saved by the meat of animals... or do we go to hell because of it. We are saved by faith through the GRACE of Jesus, if we reject Christ then we have chosen our own destiny.
@@Revelation_Truth Revelation, I've read quite a bit of Ellen White's writings, and the contradictions amount to only one or two before her husband passed away in 1881.
@@statutesofthelord I have a large file of them that I eventually gave up on as it became to many.
Thank you for your faithful report on EG White. May God in his mercy give you and others that proclaim the falsehood of SDA teachings on White more power and noise to speak to these Jesus's loving people trapped in lies to break free and accept the gift of life eternal through Jesus amen.
I think everyone would do well to read and consider biblical counsel given by the Lord through the true prophet Jeremiah in chapter 23 pertaining to judgments on false prophets and priests (pastors) who scatter the sheep. What the SDA church has gone through in the past, and is currently going through regarding their doctrine on the Gift of Prophecy has a direct correlation to this chapter. God’s word is truly our only safeguard in these last days, and most certainly trying times. Enough said!
Unfortunately, neither Ellen White nor Adventists ever dealt/deal with Jeremiah 23 dealing with God's warning against false prophets, doing so would be self-condemning
The church is going through a time of trial division and apostasy, such as the Bible predicted for end times. The final remnant however will remain, as it's truth will remain and stand till Christ's return...
Say what you will, this is Christ's church and, when we make it to heaven, I believe EGW will be there too...surprise!!😮
During my years as a member of the SDA church, I never felt comfortable with Ellen White and the SDA church end time theology but unfortunately I went along with it instead of questioning the strange and obfuscated doctrines.
In wanting to understand the bible- and the SDA church claiming to have so many answers I fell into the trap. Now I trust God more and don't need all of the answers and see that God has made the most important things to know the simplest to understand
The day I learned that Ellen White slapped one of her employees in the face was when my ideas about the SDA church began to unravel. I learned of Ellen White's hypocrisy, abuse of people, slander towards others, false accusations, unChrist like criticisms towards others, divisiveness, her controlling nature, delusions of grandeur and self preserving behaviors at the expense of what is now millions of people.
I don't believe that Ellen White received special messages from God telling her to start and build the SDA church.
Also, to some degree or another- God knows how much- I believe that Ellen White must have understood that what she saw and was told in many of her visions contradicted God's instruction in the bible.
@@earlysda
Are you a Seventh Day Adventist? If so you should be asking God to open your eyes and heart to receive His truth.
@earlysda Well, look….who’s the pot calling the kettle black?
Amen. Ellen is the epitome of Matthew 7:15.
Please read the Bible WITHOUT Ellen White !
We should compare her works with the Bible and test her
Amen! Even better throw out any Ellen G. White books, whatever and leave SDA. They have their own bible too. God bless everyone
@@kathyhubel6794 "God bless everyone" right after you bear false witness about Adventists having their own Bible? The irony.
@nateh1984 I believe she’s referring to the Clear Word.
@@DrAD767 Yes, Clear Word
Well here is clear inspiration. Her first thoughts about no longer eating meat was from a Catholic woman. How much more inspired do you want? Hmmm...
"The use of cheese also began to creep in, because some liked cheese. But I soon controlled that. But when the selfishness of taking the lives of animals to gratify a perverted appetite, was presented to me by a Catholic woman, kneeling at my feet, I felt ashamed and distressed; I saw it in a new light, and I said, “I will no longer patronize the butcher; I will not have the flesh of corpses on my table.” { TSDF 67.6 }
Her vision on health, in 1863, followed a similar one had by Madam Helena Blavatsky, and of course, one should understand her influence.
@@DrAD767 Yes, pardon my sarcasm. Clearly not inspiration Allen. Did you get my last two emails?
If this is my mate from Down Under, yes. As you can tell, I’ve been unexpectedly busy this week!
@@DrAD767 As long as you got them. Look forward to catching up when you have time.
In her time there was no law against copying. If he used historical data from other authors, he also mentioned where he got it from. But not all of the over one hundred thousand pages were the work of others! If it was uninspired, how come there are countless hospitals, health centers, universities, schools with the principles enunciated by her ? Books written by her are also found in the Washington DC library and are appreciated by intelligent people.
Follow the money - that’s why. She was a thief, and she knew it. Please, don’t buy into the lie of professional theft not being a thing in the 19th century.
@@DrAD767 How do you know she was a thief? If she was a thief, she wouldn't have had visions from God. Remember, even Jesus was called a "gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners." (Matthew 11:19), and even being "out of His mind", (Mark 3:21), and none of God's servants can expect any better.
@@rudolfberki8683 She only had "visions" from God because she said she did; nothing was or can be confirmed what she stated was in effect true. She was brain-damaged until she went thru menopause -- that's a documented, medical fact. Let's please not put her on par with the Son of God.
@@DrAD767 How can you explain that on one occasion when she was in vision she held up a heavy Bible in her hand for so long and can anyone explain that she was breathless for a half an hour? I am not putting her on par with the Son of God, but what about the apostles and those who followed Jesus, how were they called, (1 Corinthians 4:13)?
@@DrAD767even still in 1960s was in university works normal to use other people works without too strickt pointing to original author. Today we call it plagiarism, yet back then no one even think about it and many university degrees were maintained this way.
If we think about plagiarism, than every vision from God is kind of plagiarism, making reader-hearer accusing the prophet of using writings of pervious prophets or Bible, while she really dosnt. Message is always pretty much same and very simple - repent for Jesus Christ is coming.
Now if I tell you, I saw that Jesus Christ did finish His work in heavenly temple and is coming.
I do what? Do I tell what someone has told me, or did I read Bible and got high feelings, or did I really have a vision? How can you tell?
She sure does teach on "Self, self, self" How you should eat, dress, what to think..."
You have noticed what the church is really about! Raised as an Adventist and decendent of the founders of the S.D.A. church! They think that they have a special link to GOD threw Ellen White! Left the church many years ago, They are extremely self centered and self righteous! I learned the hard way after being forced to going to their boarding schools! Had to work in their tax free school factorys to pay for my own child support! They are EXTREMELY SELF CENTERED AND GREEDY! THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU OR WHAT YOU THINK!!!!🎉😮😂
You can not even wear jewelry in church. It is frowned upon. I did a sermon once and I got called into the pastor office. I was ordered to take my earrings and necklace off, or I was not allowed to do the sermon. That is control and cultic. I am so happy I am out of SDA. Please I pray if anyone is reading this and still in SDA do your research. All this is true and there is alot more. They have their own bible...
These videos are helpful for someone studying the controversies surrounding Adventism. Thanks for sharing.
Thx for the feedback. That’s the reason this channel exists, in part; the greater purpose is to highlight truth and show people the meaning of true religion.
Another good book to understand the controversies surrounding these issues is “A Response to the Video” by Bob Pickle
Thank You!
I went through your videos today. Very clear and informative. 🤠👍
D. M. Canright is a necessary read to understand Adventism and its founders.
Thx for your support and encouragement! I’ve appreciated your comments and responses.
You can look at all of history date's what ever you want. If you didn't accept things she said did that mean there's no salvation for you. Did she speak anything against the scriptures. Did she point you to Jesus, is the Sabbath yhe Lords day? The SDA church stands on scriptures not ellen white, that's where you went wrong, more like worshiping her and history, if not someone stepped on your toe and it's burning 🔥 your hurt you.
@@jamesblyden2300 I'm Saved!
EGWitless twisted Scripture and gave false testimony as well as false prophecies. The SDA is a cult and there is a veil over your heart.
There is hope for you however.
Watch the vids this gentleman has produced first. Then we'll get with you on coming to Christ.
Romans 10 13 🙏🕊️
I left 10 years ago. It was so hard for me. But God led me out.
I remember you Allen in the Fairfield sda in california.
Wow! That’s been a long time. Hope you’re well and blessed.
Dr. Davis, I come with an open mind to listen to your videos. I also been having many questions, but I'm glad,to be honest, you're speaking my mind. Many a times I have been depressed because of our teachings [SDA]. There many things I haven't done in this life, because I was hampered with what I believed to be the light. For the past 6 years I haven't gone to church actively, and I'm wondering what kind of person I am. I feel that I'm missing something real, genuine and truthful in my religious experience. I also believe that one day, the angel of revelation 18 will come out as a great movement to call out those who have been enslaved in teachings of the current mystic religion.
What are the things you didn’t do?
Sr you are a fulfillment of an Ellen White
Given prophecies about our own brother will leave the faith because they will reject the testimonies.
What testimonies have I rejected? I believe the testimony of Jesus Christ, which is not the writings of EGW.
God, the Mighty Father in heaven bless you n protect you, in Jesus holy name I pray. Amen.
Allen, I'm gonna pray for you.
Okay, thx. Reason?
GOD BLESS U SIR. WHO THE SON OF MAN SET FREE IS FREE INDEED 😊❤
The Gospel is the Coming of Jesus, and thats when the End Come.
SALVATION is the Gospel, the Gospel is the End.
As the Lightening come from the East to west, North, to South, So the Son of Man shall be.
Where ever the Carcase is, the Eagle will be.
That means, where ever the Dead Body is, (SINNERS) the Gospel will be Preached.
Hello, you have made rethink of everything I receive. You have made me question everything that comes out of one's mouth in the name of prophecy. Please reach out to me through this email I would wish to learn more. I am a Sda member but not yet baptized. Two years in the faith.
Please post your email, and as soon as I have it, I’ll contact you. I'll promptly remove the address once I have it. Thx!
Cynthia just Google DM Cartwright and read for free on the internet how he debunked all of prophecy of Ellen white. He was a fellow elder living during during her lifetime. He witnessed the SDA movement from birth till she died. Her visions were false… like on command to verify an elders point of view & not from God!
@cynthiaadhiambo ❤🙏
I would recommend reading “A Response to the Video” by Bob Pickle. He clears up many false accusations that have been brought against Ellen White.
Please Dr Harris. Explain me how far is this from the Bible’s teachings:
He who tries to quench his thirst at the fountains of this world will drink only to be thirsty again. Everywhere, there are men who are dissatisfied. They long for something that meets the need of the soul. A single Being can satisfy this need. What the world needs, 'the Desire of all nations,' is Christ. Divine grace, which only he can impart, is like living water that purifies, cools and invigorates the soul.
DTG 155 Ellen
White
Again - and you need to get this correct, or I’m done suffering you - my name is Davis, not Harris.
Next, re: EGW’s statement, even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then. Said another way, even satan uses 99% truth mixed with 1% error.
Hello Dr. Allen. I did hear you speak as a member of SDA at a fellow SDA member's house. I am ready to hear what you have to say with an open ear. I have been a member of SDA since 2000. In 2016, I became a part of the Father and Son community. Now I am hearing and seeing this. I don't know what to believe anymore. Except: God the Father and His Son and the 10 commandments. Anything else, I am looking at with a side eye 😂. Much peace to you brother.
Please keep watching and ask any questions you might have.
I grew up in the Adventist church. About 15 years ago things happened, and my wife and I no longer go to the local church. In this 15 years I have asked myself "why do we need Ellen White's writings?" If you ask several Adventist pastors the same question out of her writings you will get multiple answers. If we can't agree on what she writes why would we use her writings to interpret scripture? Why not just use scripture itself.
Everyone who has issues with Ellen White need to read F.D. Nichol’ s works Ellen G. White and Her Critics and Answers to Objections. The objections that Dr Allen Davis presents has been answered long time ago. These books presents very detailed answers to the objections presented in this video. God bless.
Apologetics based upon no supporting evidence.
Grant Letima The issue with EGW can only be sorted out as we choose to be like the Bereans.. Don't look to more Adventist sources but search the scripture The Bible is self explanatory.. It is the Bible that led me out of Adventism
We have investigated ourselves and found nothing wrong 🙄
F.D. Nichol’ s works are outdated and unreliable to me. I challenge his works
@@umabrijmohun6720 the Bible led me into Adventism and EGWs writings simply reaffirmed my faith.
If the Bible led you out of Adventism, then you obviously didn't understand it, apply it, or were misled...
Everyone's experience is different I guess.😊
Let the shifting and shaking take place till the day of Reckoning accepting or rejecting the given lights of truth.
Very cryptic, though I have an idea what you intend to convey.
"Follow the money" so true!!!
😀👍🏻
After studying the book Desire of Ages, I started noticing more and more contradictions to other books that Ellen White had written, and also how obvious teachings had been changed since I started my "journey with Christ" in 2007. For the past 4 years it has become too disturbing to ignore the facts of deceit and utterances that Seventh-Day Adventist believe so blindly, just the "prophet" has written it. Thanks for sharing these videos. God bless!
I agree, thanks so much
21:54 The issue of church organization can best be understood in terms of their view of the nearness of Christ's coming. In 1845, they eschewed forming another organization because they didn't think that it was warranted because of the imminent return of Christ, but, as the greater mission of sharing the Advent in the world became apparent, organization became a practical necessity with many individuals preaching divergent messages (hence, they were called "Messengers, which is the origin of the name "Messenger of Truth" and the "Messenger Party") but claiming to represent the Sabbatarian Advent believers. BTW, her "Gospel Order Vision" came in September 1852--eleven years they were organized as a denomination. The Messenger Party opposed the concept of Gospel Order in 1853 and published their paper until it folded in 1857.
Understood....thank you. What your lack of objectivity fails to discern is, there's always a reason to kick the can farther down the road. There's always a reason to continue asking for money to "keep the mission solvent and the Gospel workers remunerated so that they might spread the 'truth'."
I've heard these sentiments for decades from the "big boys". It's not about the message or the mission. Rather, it's about the $$$ and filling the pews via baptisms (i.e., sheep stealing). I've rarely (perhaps even never) seen SDA-ism win a soul to Christ organically. It's generally thru the manipulative Bible studies and evangelistic meetings, whereby the biblical narrative is skewed to fit EGW's writings, where people come into the movement thru fear, and you know what I mean here.
@@DrAD767 So you are interpreting 19th century history by your work experience. Again, there is nothing I have to reply to that.
The point is simple: People don't change. The big SDA ministries -- yes, Ellen's was, too -- are about one thing only: money. Hook 'em with another pope letter (or, actually two in the calendar year....one just after tax season and the other before the holidays); generate excitement via typological nonsense and hyper-sensationalism; tell them the music to which they're listening is a distraction dilemma; or scare the pants off of them via diet reform and the need to attend cooking and health seminars in Lodi CA (okay....a healthy lifestyle is indeed biblical, but Gen 1:29 isn't any longer.).
BOTTOM LINE. SDA-ism had an opportunity to die on the vine in the 1850s, and it's a shame for Christianity as a whole it didn't. Then, it had the opportunity to rightly reform in 1888, or there abouts, but sadly, the messages of Waggoner and Jones didn't make it to the hearts of those who truly needed it and could've made a difference. Another opportunity for reform presented itself during the 1919 Bible Conference, where the question of EGW came to light (I have a transcript and have read the proceedings), but wasn't properly vetted due to conflicts of interest within the group. In 1957, the denomination misled Dr. Martin, who was prepared to call a spade a spade: SDA-ism is a non-Christian cult. It was his compassion that prevented him from doing so, more than it was Froom et al.'s outright prevarications about what the organization truly believed. Then came Ford and Rea, two men who tried desperately to bring the denomination out of cult status, and what did Neil Wilson do? He doubled down with what at the time was FB #17. Now there was a viable reason (i.e., teeth) to remove people from the church if they rejected EGW, no different than what the Catholics do to those who openly reject Mary as an intermediary.
My work experience simply edifies what this *organization* has always been: a deception of satanic proportions. Can it be reformed? Not likely....there's too much money involved. In 2022, alone, the denomination took in over $1.1 billion in revenue. It's a business, Pastor Morgan, not a church. I believe there are some sincere people, who sadly have been duped into believing a lie. The only way to bring them out of the darkness is with a bright light -- the light of Jesus Christ.
This is why I do what I do.
@@DrAD767 Your view is clear.
You are not alone. Many have stepped away including myself 15 years ago.
Hebrews 1:1-2, (NIV). After the death of the Apostle John there will be no more inspired writings.
God's final word was Jesus, He needed no other one. Even in the Apocalypse, it was Jesus who gave the messages directly to John, who was simply a faithful scribe; nothing more, nothing less.
It's wasted time to read Ellen White
Yep.. it took away from the reading of Gods word because we needed to know ALL her lying testimonies first. Such deception huh!
At first I thought so, but after much tears and praying, why was I in this for so long before my eyes were opened, the thought came that He uses things to reach others. Anyone in a cult doesn't know it and will fight against being told that especially by one who doesn't know from the outside. But maybe, they will hear from one who has read all the writings and believed it and lived it for so long. He doesn't waste our pain and trials He can redeem the yrs the locust has eaten.
@@Dr.Ez.ANewLivingWay Not at all. It makes the Bible come even more to life.
I saw it was a small thing to speak against the instrument, but it was dangerous to slight the words of God. I saw if they were in error and God chose to show them their errors through visions, and they disregarded the teachings of God through visions, they would be left to take their own way, and run in the way of error, and think they were right until they would find it out too late. Then in the time of trouble I heard them cry to God in agony-why didst Thou not show us our wrong, that we might have gotten right, and ready for this time. Then an angel pointed to them, and said-my Father taught but you would not be instructed. He spoke through visions but you disregarded His voice, and He gave you up to your own ways to be filled with your own doings. {Ms2-1849}
She was a very, very mentally ill woman. The fact you would use this passage - while she was still suffering from her childhood injury and rather delusional - shows me to what lengths those in the cult will go to manipulate others. What you’ve done is no different than what Vernon Wayne Howell did to those who, in his mind, got off track. Let that sink in.
funny how she could write things to threaten you if you question her, that was the hold that I had to break
JESUS IS THE SABBATH NOT A DAY
I’m 81yrs old, above average I Q, my older sister was super genius. And Lucifer is far above that! Good luck: I lived in Iowa 7 yrs and in a small town by the Mississippi was a large sign in white with black letters, “Eternity is a long time to be wrong.” Food for thought.
Okay. And what should I consider based upon the quote? (By the way, that sign implies the lost burn for eternity, which isn’t biblical.)
Wow such a great video i was raised sda and have also had problems with some of the teachings the more i study the more i separate myself from them
Problem I see with people who 'separate' themselves from this so-called 'error' the further away from truth they stray. They finally end up neither here nor there...😢
Succinctly put. Great job summing up a lifetime of lies, manipulation and fraud. Hold the lines. Don't forget she prophesied that others would find out about her and expose her...must be a guilty conscience speaking.
As a former SDA member. I’ve come to believe they (SDA) are the sister (not daughter) to the Roman Catholic Church or the second beast.
Yup, and I’ve even gone so far as to call them the “Protestant” version of the RCC.
@@DrAD767 Amen...
Roman Catholic Church is the first beast mentioned in Revelation chapter 13, btw.
STAY WITH GOD JESUS AND THE TRUE PROPHETS IN THE BIBLE TRUST ONLY HIS WORD NOT MAN
It is very difficult to find a church today that follows the true scriptures
It's the scriptures
We want to follow the Bible teachings, but use the methods, new theology and recommendations of Dr. Davis'? Sad...😢
Deuteronomy 18:22; the erroneous teachings about the shut door 1844-51; two apartment heavenly sanctuary; investigative judgment; failed food for worms 'vision' of 1856; all invalidate EGW's status as the spirit of prophecy. We no longer need to revere nor believe in her writings. I arrived at this conclusion years ago. There needs to be whole scale reformation in Seventh-day Adventism.
Thanks for sharing Test the Prophet, and the other writers. Never heard of it, will definitely look into it. Saw the intro video from Test the Prophet today and am excited to see the rest of the videos. Thank you for the recommendations!
If the writings of sister White is followed what type of life would it cause one to live, a righteous one, or a sinful one.?
A frightened one
Ask David Koresh, from Waco, TX... who revered her writings...
@@childishduke The more leave and kick EGW and heresy to the curb, the better. Every time I read the irritating nonsense you write -- not to mention condescending -- I'm reminded of leeches and ticks.
Sadly, the religion of Adventism is a dark delusion, it is anti- Christ and teaches its own three Angels messages. Which is not the gospel that Christ taught us to take to the world. It denounces the Cross and the atonement and it remains under the old covenant of sin and death; these are loosing principals. There is no gain in the Adventist Doctrines only loss. Come out of her but hold firmly to Christ.
Jesus says my church keeps the Sabbath and Nas a true prophet
Dr. Davis, you are very correct about Ellen White. Since there is no other church or movement, and because I believe in the prophecy of Daniel and those of the Book of Revelation, and also that the seventh-day Sabbath is God's holy day, I remain silent about E.G. White. She was a liar and a thief. She claimed that God had her ear and that most of her writings were copied from others. And I mean a vast amount of copying.
Thx for your comment.
Re: another church or movement, I think you might be surprised. SDA-ism is beyond reform. They're just an economy that's self-perpetuating upon the backs of others' money. I had to do a wholesale relook, and the videos on this channel are part of that re-examination. I invite you to watch and comment as you're moved to do so.
Cheers, AD
It is impossible for an Adventist to say they are not an Ellen White believer because even in the sabbath school book there is usually one scripture verse and whole passages of Ellen.
Ellen is presented as this wholesome upstanding women that is ready for translation . Ellen is never seen as the drunken women battling Alcohol poisoning which is covered up and for some reason called vinegar addiction. Some may respect her more if the human Ellen shone through.
I grew up as a Seventh Day Adventist, Born Bread and Butter, I've never a Big reader of Ellen G White books, but I was Surrounded by a Lot of Ellen G White Finatics or Extremist, I can tell you, they are a Piece of Work. All my life all I Heard was, Sis White Said; Sis White Said; Sis White Said;
I really Got Suspicious when The Devil Cast a Spell on all the Sis White Extremist in my Church, I have never Witness anything Like that in all my entire Life, My Church was one of the Most Vibrant, Active, Prosperous, Both Financially and Spiritually Church in that Circuits of Churches in the Districts, Talk about Bringing in the Money, So what ever is going on there, The CONFRENCE have to pay Attention. When the Devil Cast that Spell, it went through the Air waves Like a Lightening. Everybody heard, and want to come to the Church to See what was taking Place, Bus Load of People came to see the Action that was taking Place, and boy Oh Boy! They was not Disoppointed, They did Saw the Action, The Devil Torn into some the Most Active Members in the Church, As My Father said, The Devil Target the Cream of the Crop and Make a Circus out of Them, It was fainting spell, it was Speaking in tongues, it's was Screaming, people beating people telling them to Clean up their Life. It was singing one song for hours until everybody start Screaming.
Then They turn on a group of us because that would'nt Join them. My Sister and Had to and some others, We Give them a Piece of our Mind, because they are saying we are not Living right because we Eat Meat, These People they Early in the Morning when it is dark running to each other's house, Those of them who were Married, Took off the Wedding Band, Stop Sleeping with their Husband, It was a CIRCUS. The Most Respectable Seventh Day Adventist Church in the Circuit of Churches, become a Laughing Stock around the Whole Country. The CONFRENCE had to come down and have Meetings with those who were Involve for Hours to show them in the Bible where they had gone Wrong. It was a Day of mourning, and Soul searching when they found out they were DECIEVED. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO WERE INVOLVE, WERE ELLEN G WHITE EXTREMIST, THEY TOOK WHAT THEY READ IN HER BOOK TO THE NEXT LEVEL. After they found out, they were DECIEVED, it was a Cold Spell took over the Church, A lot of people left, some Migrate to Canada and the United States, because of the Embarrassment. IT WAS A SAD DAY IN ZION. But we Overcame, The Church pull through it.
I'm just saying this to say, PLEASE READ YOUR BIBLE WITH THE GUIDANCE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, HE WILL GUIDE YOU INTO ALL TRUTH.
DON'T BE DECIEVED.
When Queen Elizabeth Died, a Huge Rain now was over the Buckingham Palace, That mean THE END of an ERA, THE REIGN OF THE MONARCHY IS OVER, THATS WHAT A RAINBOW MEANS: NEW BEGINNING.
CHARLSE REIGN WILL BE SHORT, AND IF WILLIAM TAKE OVER HIS REIGN WILL BE SHORT, BECAUSE THAT RAINBOW WAS A SIGN THAT THE MONARCHY WAS OVER.
Not to mention a 33rd degree eastern star witch.She never left masonry.
And the scriptures off God the Father and his son Jesus Christ trough the Holy spirit
A frank, bold presentation of the dark-side of EGW with irrefutable evidences! God bless you as you expose the falsehood.
The Appearing of Christ is The GOSPEL.
Wow, Dr. Allen Davis. Minute 31:35 onwards really hits the nail on the head. Thank you for being so outspoken about this matter. It is indeed exactly like you say. EGW was indeed a spiritual abuser, her actions were indeed satanic and pure evil. I am close to finishing Steve Daily's book and I am just so very grateful that I am out of this terrible fear-based religion.
May the pure unadulterated Gospel shine forth and bring many sons unto glory ☺ God bless you!
Daily's book should be required reading for everyone considering joining the SDA cult.
Evil indeed. it is the strong delusion that captures and manipulates the mind into becoming an Anti Christ without you recognizing it. Thank God for Jesus who saw the sincerity of the heart searching for real truth. He saw you and me.
Beware that during your search you find yourself, neither here nor there...
I was born and raised in an SDA environment. After completing my MSc degree, I realized that I had been misinformed in many ways. One of the issues I encountered is similar to the problem discussed in this video. More troubling, I discovered that there is no concrete evidence supporting the existence of Jesus, whom I had deeply admired. This was a significant disappointment for me. Despite this, my life has continued, and I am now happier than before. My advice is to read the Bible critically and seek evidence that supports your beliefs.
Thx for sharing. I encourage you to read Lee Strobel’s book, “The Case for Christ”.
@@DrAD767 Thank you.
@Wla-s4x If this is an issue you’d like to discuss, please let me know.
Wonderful! She is a false prophet, she claims Michael the arch angel is Jesus, now I say this how would that make sense? 1. Michael is one of the chief princes, meaning there are more chief princes as in more arch angles! 2. Angels were created to worship christ, so if christ was Michael that would be self worship and we know that God does not worship himself! Also they say christ waited 1,800 years to go from one part of heaven to the holy of holys, now a true bible study would instantly reveal egw to be a false prophet right there! God's word states that christ finished his work and sat down by the right hand of his farther God, also the holy of holys is the presence of God (so according to sda where was christ for 1,800 years?) Even the tabernacle on earth, inside behind the vail represented being in the presence of God and christ Jesus said it is finished! Amen the word of God is sharper than a double edged sword! The vail was ripped in half from top down, sdas say Christ is in heaven pleading praying for our sins, investigative judgment, yet God's word say's it clearly that Christ finished his work ascended up to heaven and sat down by the right hand of God!
Thx for your comment.
Re: the issue surrounding Michael, the SDAs don't have a unique position on the subject. There are other groups that have concluded the same thing. That said, archangel means chief messenger, nothing else. Also, the Scripture only presents *one* chief messenger throughout the text. I believe the matter would be more clear if Dan 10:13 didn't state "one of the chief princes." At the same time, textual consistency leads one to deduce there is only one chief prince, and that is none other than Christ Himself. No intimation is given to the idea Michael is created, only that -- as the name implies -- He brings comfort and protection to God's people, and that Michael Himself possesses all the divine attributes.
Matthew Henry wrote:
"Others think that Michael the archangel is no other than Christ himself, the angel of the covenant, and the Lord of the angels, he whom Daniel saw in vision, v. 5. He came to help me (v. 13); and there is none but he that holds with me in these things, v. 21. Christ is the church's prince; angels are not, Heb. 2:5. He presides in the affairs of the church and effectually provides for its good. He is said to hold with the angels, for it is he that makes them serviceable to the heirs of salvation; and, if he were not on the church's side, its case were bad. But, says David, and so says the church, The Lord takes my part with those that help me, Ps. 118:7. The Lord is with those that uphold my soul, Ps. 54:4."
This does not mean it is so. Rather, it means many sound minds have accepted the position, and context and consistency *appear* to conclude Michael ("one who is as God is") to be the pre-incarnate Christ.
For me, although I once strongly believed Michael to be the pre-incarnate Christ, I've now taken a step back to re-examine whether or not it is so and whether I can, absent of falsifying arguments, stand on firm ground in such a belief.
@@DrAD767 2 Timothy 3:16-17 KJV
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
[17] That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished o unto all good works.
Hebrews 1:3-8 KJV
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged d our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
[4] Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
[5] For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? [6] And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
[7] And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
[8] But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Hebrews 1:13-14 KJV
But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
[14] Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
Hebrews 2:9 KJV
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
God's word does not error and is not double minded it tells us quite clearly that Jesus was never an angel, he was made a little lower then angels so no way christ was Michael the arch angel. Jesus was with God from the beginning, let all the angels worship him! Jesus does not worship himself! Quite clear brother!
I don't believe you've understood what I wrote. I'm familiar with all the texts you've cited, but they are taken out of context both linguistically and theologically.
Once again, the term "angel" means -- quite simply -- messenger. It CAN mean a created being such as a seraph or cherub, in which case, I would agree, Jesus CANNOT be one of those. However, He was the chief messenger sent by God -- the Son of God -- to represent the Father. Is this correct? Yes or no? When you read such statements as, "the Angel of the LORD," to whom does this refer? Please do a study...it won't take very long. You will find, by and large, it refers to a divine being...most likely the pre-incarnate Christ. For example,
"And *the angel of the LORD* said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude." (Gen 16:10 KJV, emphasis added)
"And *the angel of the LORD* called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here [am] I." (Gen 22:11 KJV, emphasis added)
"And *the angel of the LORD* appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush [was] not consumed." (Exo 3:2 KJV, emphasis added)
In each of these examples, this "angel" exercises divine prerogatives, and at the same time, it is not Yehovah, but rather the angel of Yehovah.
Archangel -- and there's ever only one mentioned in the sacred text -- means Chief Messenger. Period. How could Michael be the chief prince when Jesus is clearly the chief prince of God, if indeed Yehovah is king? Recall in Joshua 5:13-15, where the Captain of the Host of the LORD appears to Joshua. Who is this Captain? The text states he was a man. Would a man command the removal of Joshua's shoes, whereby worship was then the command? Think about that. This Captain of the Host of the LORD can be none other than the pre-incarnate Christ. Now, what is the "Host of the LORD"? I would submit to you, it's the angelic host, and of course, they pay homage and are in submission to Jesus, wouldn't you agree?
If that's the case, it's not a stretch for this chief prince, archangel (which might not be a created being, and likely isn't), etc., to be the same Captain. Jude tells us, Michael durst not bring a railing accusation against the devil, but rather stated, "the LORD rebuke thee." You might ask, if this were indeed Christ, then why didn't He personally rebuke the devil? For the same reason He didn't in the wilderness when tempted of the same. Instead, He invoked the LORD's (i.e., Yehovah) name in rebuke, which is appropriate.
Again, it's not a hill upon which I intend to die -- I'm not dogmatic about it, as I stated in the prior post. But friend, you've yet to make a logical argument as to your position. I would encourage you to study the language, grammar, etc., and develop your position from there, rather than from one of opinion.
Blessings, AD
@@DrAD767 Thanks for your reply, I simply take it like this, no where in the bible does it state that Michael is Jesus or pre incarnate Jesus. Period! Jesus was not an arch angel pre incarnate as Michael, Jesus was with God from the beginning, Jesus is God's only begotten son nowhere does the bible ever state he is Michael, the word of God is not to be twisted taken out of context for man's ideas to make it believe what they want.
John 1:1-14 KJV
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [2] The same was in the beginning with God. [3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. [4] In him was life; and the life was the light of men. [5] And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. [6] There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. [7] The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. [8] He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. [9] That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. [10] He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. [11] He came unto his own, and his own received him not. [12] But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: [13] Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. [14] And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Jonah’s prophecy didn’t came to be because the repentance of Nineveh.
Dr.Allen I will be happy for u to post the statement from sister White's writings, that she was given a vision that the Lord would come on Oct.22, 1851.
State where in her writings, that statement is written.
Next, you can post (from her writings) where she met a fake, Levitical Priest costume Jesus. Complete with bells, on the hem of his garment. -to alert us of his sudden death, in the presence of a Holy God.
She said it AT LEAST twice, so... it should be easy enough to find.
@@ADVENTFRAUDSQUAD Have you viewed the video, EGW The Echoing Prophet? My post here had me thinking about it. She never said anything that someone else hadn't said previously.
Blessings 🙏
DING DING DING DING DING!!! Winner, winner! Ribeye dinner!!!!
I’ve been very busy kicking other penguins off the iceberg, and so I’m glad that you were able to respond to his request. I would’ve gotten to it by the end of the day, but the sooner the better. Cheers, mate.
@@DrAD767 Now I'm hungry... Ha! 🤠👍
First off let me ask if you have run across Scott with Intoxicated by Grace. He's just an honest Former that speaks from the heart. Check him out if you can.
I always wonder if I'm being too mouthy or impinging on other folks' ministries. Yes I run my head at times but I do try to keep it civil. I don't turn away from honest counsel so will always listen if I'm in error.
Prayers 🙏
No idea, but post again, please.
I was born into Seventh Day Adventism, I loved the full day Saturday at church, I loved the quarterly's. I loved camp meeting. I LOVED EVERYTHING about Seventh Day Adventism. But about 20 years ago my wife and I had a child. I took him to church and he ran about as toddlers do, and I got to thinking; for him; just let me check that this SDA'ism is right (as I'd always had niggling reservations about Ellen White). Anyway; 5 years of study; I looked into all the major religions as well. I concluded that SDA'ism was a cult; islam and mormonism were demonic, catholicism was bastardized and so on.
And that the truth had been next to me all along, mainstream protestantism. I attend a baptist church.
For me it wasn't difficult to leave SDA'ism, there was no pride; and the emotional ties didn't matter as I felt a) they had knowingly lied to me (the SDA Church), and b) Get out as it was not the truth, far from.
I think, for me, looking in from the outside; you can clearly see so much more of the error.
Thankyou for your knowledge, your commitment and your studied incites. You are very much appreciated.
Why do you think "Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy" is error?
@@statutesofthelord
It's not error, God's word can't be in 'error'. the error is with the way SDA'ism has taught you to look at it that puts you at fault.
There are concepts in the bible that are very clear, exceptionally clear, but because of your SDA programming you can't see them for what they say.
If you go to Deuteronomy 5. The 10 commandments are repeated.
This time if you look at the remember, you can see why God wanted them to remember the sabbath day [15].
All the law of Moses was part of a covenant (contract) between God and the Children of Israel [2], [5].
That was the old covenant which Israel broke; so technically that was the end of the covenant, Christ would bring a new one, a different one, a better one.
Hebrews 8:13
In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
(Israel are no longer subject to the old covenant, and that is as plain an english as we can get)
2 Corinthians 3:6
Who has made us sufficient to be ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
(I don't think this sinks in with SDA's. it's not about following rules, the pharisees did that. It's about an internal spiritual love and commitment.
Paul is saying in Romans 14.
Firstly on the eating. [2]. SDA Preaching is in direct contradiction to verse 2. Christ ate meat, but Mrs White preaches against eating meat !!!!!
EGW Shall we eat flesh foods?
m.egwwritings.org/en/book/771.94#95
Our ministers, who know the truth, should arouse the people from their paralyzed condition, and lead them to put away those things that create an appetite for flesh meat.
If they neglect to reform, they will lose spiritual power.
The above from Ellen White is not biblical, it's a doctrine of devils. It's not inline with what the bible says.
It might make sense from a health perspective, but it's not how Jesus Christ wanted it. He left you the freedom to choose.
But to the point, the eating of flesh meats will not lose you spiritual power as Ellen White cites, she is simply ... lying.
Romans 14:
2. For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
3. Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
The bible, Gods bible; the words of Salvation say in Romans 14 not to judge each other over food.
Ellen White comes along and says otherwise, and you bible reading Adventists go with Ellen White and against God.
How is that clever ? How is that Smart. And you make excuses for it.
5. One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Under the new covenant Paul says dont' judge another on what day he worships. Adventists don't see that but it's there.
And you don't see it because you look through the lense of Pope Ellen White to interpret your bible.
Long story short .... Adventism is not Christian, there is alot done that is totally not good with God.
In many many ways you have a different Jesus and clearly a different Gospel (the three angels message)
Where do the appostles (in the bible) say go preach the 3 angels message ?.
This is a senario I think many adventists may face.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
@@ServiceProcess Service, thank you for taking the time to thoughtully express your opinions.
First, there is nothing in the New Testament abrogating any of the laws of God except the ones specifically prophesied to be done away with in Daniel 9:27 - the "sacrifices and oblations".
Don't you think it odd that many fellow Christians will speak long and hard against the 4th Commandment, while supporting the other 9?
I have seen case after case of SDA ministers who didn't want to give up their darling dead meat, and so drifted away from the truth. By doing that, they show the veracity of what God had Ellen White write out for our admonition. Do you really think God wants us to keep destroying animals and ingesting them, and then suddenly give us a glorious, immortal body to go to heaven where everything lives forever?
Your interpretation of Romans 14 is mistaken. Paul is specifically telling them regarding things that have possibly been offered to idols or not.
Regarding don't judge about days, no doubt you are referring to Colossians chapter 2. I can give a more detailed study if you want, but basically Paul is telling believers to not worry about what unbelievers think of them for keeping God's laws.
John tells us in no uncertain terms that God's people will be preaching the Three Angels' Messages.
Please come back to the truth today!
@statutesofthelord I would suggest you listen to my talks on the Three Angels.
@@statutesofthelord Thankyou very much for your considered reply.
You really have a choice to make that I believe you will be judged on. Ellen White or Christ Jesus.
Because they are not in agreement.
Ellen G. White
Our ministers, who know the truth, should arouse the people from their paralyzed condition, and lead them to put away those things that create an appetite for flesh meat. If they neglect to reform, they will lose spiritual power, and become more and more debased by sinful indulgence. Habits that disgust the heavenly universe, habits that degrade human beings lower than the beasts, are practiced in many homes. Let all those who know the truth, say, “Flee fleshly lusts that war against the soul.”
I choose Beef and Lamb. Ellen calls eating Beef and/or Lamb a 'sinful indugence', habits that disgust the heavenly universe etc etc.
And those are not her thoughts; apparently they are Gods views and directive.
Please, show me in the bible those sentiments against my selected meats, Beef and Chicken.
Here is God; re eating meat.
Exodus 12:8 as follows: "That same night they are to eat the meat roasted over the fire, along with bitter herbs, and bread made without yeast."
Luke 22:7 reads: "Then came the day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. Jesus sent Peter and John saying, 'Go and make preparation for us to eat the Passover.'" It continues in verse 22:11: "... and say to the owner of the house, 'The Teacher asks: "Where is the guest room, where I may eat the Passover with my disciples?"'
Jesus enjoyed the passover meal where the eating of 'lamb' was at the centre of it.
According to Ellen White; Jesus sinfully indulged.
So now Jesus is a sinner, so you have another Jesus than the Christian Jesus.
Mark 7:17 After he had left the crowd and entered the house, his disciples asked him about this parable.
18 “Are you so dull?” he asked. “Don’t you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them?
19 For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)
You sound like a nice person, but are you so dull that you can't see the words of the bible for what they are ?.
Are you so dull that when the words of Jesus and Ellen White clash, you make excuses and choose Ellen White!!!!!!.
God will not be fooled. You'll be judged on this choice that you've made.
Amen
21:39 Bates wasn't bank-rolling the movement, as the claim would suggest. Bates spend his funds promoting the Advent prior to 1844, as anyone knows who has heard the account of the money sent to the post office by which Bates was able to buy flour for his wife's baking.
Do you have evidence to refute this claim? I provided evidence to support it.
@@DrAD767 You have bank statements and financial records? Please do refer.
I have been a loyal SDA since I was 12, now 92. If you are no longer a believer in the SDA teachings the question I have is why you and others like you take the time to produce such videos? Get on with your life and be happy that you have found the Truth for you. I have heard Walter Wrayy speak and was not impressed. I have listened to 3 hours of D. Ford and found he needed a clear study of the Bible.
Ephesians 5:11, sir, that is why.
Same could be said about why SDA's condemn Catholics and Sunday worshippers sir ...
Who the Son set free is free indeed. He is a voice crying out for others to be saved, so Hell will not be their final destination.
Sir, Saturday was never God's 7th Day Sabbath....God is a Spirit. The Sun and Moon weren't even created until the 4th "day". Jesus restored all creation back to God! Isaiah 66 is a Millennial Reign Prophecy fulfilled in Christ! What is ritual under Judaism is a spiritual fulfillment or reality in Jesus! To proclaim Saturday as our 7th Day Sabbath is to deny the Lordship and redemption of all creation in Christ Jesus. You Adventists read the Bible logically, but you lack the illumination and Revelation of the Holy Spirit. Paul even told Timothy that no woman is to have any authority over the body of Christ! Yet you Adventists continue to follow the false teachings of Ellen White
@@MrCalidan69 I agree with you, re: restoration and redemption, Ellen White, and a failure to receive the Holy Ghost, but what puzzles me is, how you can you state, Saturday was never God's 7th-day Sabbath. Are you identifying the pagan name of the day, Saturn, that is, Taurus? Are you saying the Sabbath has no part in the Christian life?
Please note, I'm asking question for clarity. Thx.
19:56 Ellen White did not report what she saw of other worlds in her November 1846 vision. Rather, she spoke while in vision, and Bates identified the planets by her descriptions. James White wrote in WLF 22 what she said while in vision. Many people are confused by the description given by Loughborough of the numbers of moons around the planets because it is now said that these planets have many more moons. However, what they don't know is that the number of "moons" changes by the year, as more debris around the planet is identified and counted as moons. If we count only the orbiting objects of larger magnitude, Ellen's description of the numbers is validated. This being said, it was not the number of moons that impressed Bates but, rather, Ellen White's description of the "opening of the heavens" in the constellation of Orion. It was AFTER this description that Bates published his pamphlet on the opening of the heavens, showing his continued interest in the subject. The inhabitants on a planet with seven moons was a later vision (the "Other Worlds Vision" in January 1849), which, unfortunately, was conflated with the November 1846 vision.
I understand what you're wanting to say here, but it's an excuse with no substance. It doesn't matter who recorded the vision. (I would think, a brain-damaged young woman in her shape could barely find energy to live.) Thus, it's without merit based upon the clear evidence she read Bates's pamphlet. To assert she didn't is, unequivocally, dishonest.
@@DrAD767 Unfortunately your presuppositions leave me nothing to reply to.
If she was a true Prophet? Why did she died so Depressed?
Yes, many fail to realize she was a very depressed woman, and I believe much of it came from poor nutrition. That aside, she fractured her hip and thigh in fall, due to brittle bones, and what brought her demise were complications due to heart disease. As the Scripture states, "A merry heart doeth good like a medicine: but a broken spirit drieth the bones." (Pro 17:22)
Hi Glenda Duncan. It sounds similar to John the Baptist and the prophets before him. If she died depressed could it have resulted partly from being criticized on all sides just as Jesus himself was surrounded with demonic oppression as He sacrificed his life for the very ones condemning him. We must repent, and be converted. Return to reading our Bibles, pointing humanity to our only hope, the One who loves us so much!❤️
Elijah was depressed after his encounter on Mt. Carmel, he ran from confrontation with Jezebel and hid in a cave, per your standard he's not a true prophet. Jonah sulked under a gourd bush because he was angry at God for saving Ninevah. He even asked God to kill him (suicidal). Prophets have all sorts of issues, but per you, they should just be perfect saints, and by your standards Jonah wasn't a true prophet. Samson, from what we understand from Scripture, literally commited suicide in the Phillistine temple. David murdered Bathsheba's husband, slept with her, and lost most of his children because of his grievous sins, bringing a curse from God upon his house, and you see how that affected him in the Psalms and yet he's in Hebrews 11 with Samson.
So if that was your argument against her being inspired, it just shows that you're intellectually dishonest and you don't apply that same standard to Biblical characters.
Please name just one prophet or servant of God that has not experienced hardship and distress.
Is that Gen. Lee in the framed picture behind you, Sir?
Yup 🙂
Adventists blindly follow Ellen G White and will make irrelevant strawman arguments about what type of prophet she was , and then only talk about the predictions ( hunches ) that came true , but not the failed predictions.
Her vague prophecies were such that, even a blind squirrel would find a nut ever now and then. Said another way, even a broken clock is correct twice a day.
@@DrAD767 lol
Does God rest or Sabbath from His work every Saturday? Of course not!
Hey! You're using my "Glamour Shots" photo! -I want royalties
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You missed being the first to respond. No soup for you!
@@DrAD767 I know, I guess I have to share this platform with others. -or sleep with one eye open
Please give me your opinion about this question and answer below about what Ellen Wite gave us as a disclaimer. Secondly, I think we have a forum to openly discuss and correct misunderstandings about scripture and doctrine to move together as a remnant church. what do you say about that?
'What did Ellen White say about her writings?
Ellen White maintains that her writings while in harmony with the Bible are not to be added to the Bible. As noted above she maintains that the Spirit of Prophecy writings are the "lesser light to lead men and women to the great light [the Bible]."'
My opinion is this: First, the greater light isn't the Bible, it's Jesus; the great light is God Himself. She also claimed her writings were either of God or they were not; moreover, that one could not cherry-pick his way thru what she wrote. They were either to be wholly accepted or wholly rejected -- no middle ground. I find such a comment to be a bully tactic and spiritual abuse.
As for a forum such that we can discuss Scripture and doctrine, I think that's a great idea with one caveat: Ellen must be sent to the corner, and if need be, given a shot of Thorazine so to keep silent.
Jesus said my remnant has a true prophet
@@earthlastdaybiblechannelbible vrs plz?
Absolutely!
I think someone hurt you in the church and it's burning 🔥 your heart Allen. Did ellen white she speak anything against the bible. I think where you went wrong you focused on her writings for your salvation, if you were not in agreement with her words did it mean there was no salvation for you? Is the Sabbath the Lord's ? Can you remove salvation, grace, mercy, the 10 commandments? well she didn't, all she ever did was lift up Jesus, what's wrong with that?
How many times do you intend to repeat yourself?
James Blyden, this comment “someone/something hurt you, that’s why you left” is a predictable and common comment aimed at anyone who studied their way out of Adventism. In a way, you’re right - the doctrine hurt us! I have no bad feelings toward the people of Adventism, I was raised in that church, it gave me my best friends, my husband and by extension, my children. But the doctrine itself was heartbreaking and wrong, and when shown the truth and the real Jesus, many of us left and continue to leave. God Himself led us out, opened our eyes and showed us the way out. Most of us love the individual people of Adventism, it hurt to leave due to the loss of relationships, but we left to follow Jesus, not because some hurt our feelings.
I do not agree Ellen G White lifted up Jesus? How can you even say that? How many times did she predict Jesus was coming and he did not. Only the Father knows when. Lies, deceit, false prophet. SDA also has their own bible. Look that up too in the HOLY BIBLE to see what God says about that. Ellen G. White has taken words out of the Holy Bible and added HER words in the SDA bible called The Clear Word Bible. It was recommended to me, strongly i might add. Why? Because they want you to believe what they want you to believe not what is true in GOD`s HOLY BIBLE. So, the dark side and true side of Ellen G. White, is not from GOD. Who is the father of lies? Satan. I pray for you to come to your senses. The SDA church has really brainwashed you. When you hear the lies often enough you begin to believe them even when evidence is proven. SDA is a wolf in sheep clothing.
Yes, indeed, all she did is to lift up Jesus, yet she pays the price.
@rudolfberki8683 What Jesus was that? I don’t see that as having been the Son of JEHOVAH. She eventually wrote about a member of the Heavenly Trio, which is not a biblical concept.
Here again, her inconsistencies show. Early one, she was very monotheistic. In later years, she moved toward a tritheistic mindset.
I'd like to say that most churches rely on their pastor.or teach and don't actually read the Bible ì had to relearn the Bible with the holy spirit to get the truth.
In as much as I have the little knowledge of sister Whites writings I know that what she prophecity in the her books as well as what the bible spoke of during such time must come to pass for Satan's agents like you must rise up to deceive as many as possible even the elect of God
Madam, I showed you no fewer than six areas where she was either wrong or changed her mind. I ask that you please read your Bible and reconsider your position on Ellen White.
Titus 1:9-14
[9]Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
[10]For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:
[11]Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.
[12]One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.
[13]This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
[14]Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
Keep up the good work of enhanceing the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Sorry-" Until the Character of Christ is revealed in His people fully, He cannot come". WHAT A LIE! Did she never read her bible?
She was always busy reading books by non-Adventist authors to compose her books!
then we wouldn't need a Saviour
Our Father; Please Open our eyes!
We walk by Faith, Not by Sight.
Faith Mean the Father.
Our Father;
Flesh got nothing to do with Faith in God.
When you read the Bible, with the guidance of the HOLY SPIRIT, you WILL see how WRONG ELLEN GW IS.
John 6:63
It is the that SPIRIT QUICKENETH; the FLESH Profiteth NOTHING The Words that I Speak I unto you, They are Spirit, and they are Life,
64, But there are some of you who believe Not.
Funny that you mentioned "the unholy trinity", as if there was a holy one to begin with 🤣