I think all three are going for slightly different things which makes it competitive. Right now I see hdzero being the lightest , dji being the best quality and walksnail being right in the middle.
I think its time to start teaching your son about fpv and learning to fly quads. I miss those days when my son was about 5 and always asking questions. Great video JB, thanks for what you do for the fpv community, always great information. Thank you.
Today is the day joshua I've been watching your videos for years and credit you completely to teaching me everything I know about fpv I've been put of the hobby for a few years and need to relearn all the new tech. Patron here I come!!
I’ve got the BetaFPV Metor75 in Walksnail. You definitely feel the extra weight. Hover at 50% throttle, it’s no hot rod. But the penetration performance is spectacular. I fly at work in a metal and concrete building. And can traverse three floors and from one end of the building to the other without any worry of signal loss. I go through the building and open as many doors as possible. And spend hours on end running circuits through the building.
Got my 1s nano avatar VTX in the mail today. Gonna put it on a Rekon4fr to have a sub 250 with digital. That quad has a micro size analog cam now, so maybe I'll order the micro avatar cam later or just keep the nano cam but in a 19x19 converter mount. Vtx will be powered by the 5v pad I guess. Also received my Fatshark Dominator bundle yesterday and kinda like it. Unlock and firmware was easy, image is great. This is my first ever experience with digital and wow... Good on caddx for developing the Avatar module, these are interesting times to be in the hobby and that VRX module is such a smart move! I wanted to get the HDzero goggles but that's just taking to long and really wanted to try the Walksnail system. Might switch to HDzero goggles later for my race quad and wait out what the Walksnail module is gonna do in the long run and get that later. Dominator goggles could always be sold, but for now I'm impressed. Still need to do a first digital flight, but rain is saying no..
@Nick Vledder when dji will make an indoor micro fpv bundle, this sport will get sooo big, almost like when Metallica released their black crappy album
Nice! But please make the same comparison walksnail vs. HDZero with flipped antennas! This would show: 1. If you can spare the 1,5g for a walksnail tiny whoop 2. What could really be expected from HDZero on a small toothpick Thank you in advance!
Thanks Joshua. I just ordered the walksnail 1s bundle with their new VTX yesterday. The betaflight stuff will be very helpful when I receive it. My long-term plans are a HDzero goggles with the Walksnail hdmi VTX and an analog module. Basically Swiss army knife goggles 😉
Man, I love the HX115 frame. I did a full freestyle toothpick build on it with HDZ running 2S that people got pretty excited about and it is a hardcore pocket ripper! I am looking forward to adding walksnail to the arsenal before the end of the year, and maybe I will do a variant of that build to incorporate the 1S WS VTX into. Always appreciate your opinions!
@@where1024 for sure! I actually have a whole playlist on my channel about it, but essentially it is the HX115 running gemfan 3" props, FPV cycle 13mm 11500kv motors, the Darwin 15A AIO, and HDZ whoop lite. I did a tune with auto PID selection to run 1S or 2S on it with a motor output limit for the 2S tune. It can either be a smooth stealth flyer that can hardly be heard in a park...or a hardcore freestyle ripper. Just pick the pack voltage for what you want to do with it and send it! There are some considerations for things like the tall camera that I did on the build as well and covered in a video when I converted it from analog to HDZero.
I couldn't agree more. I actually took a year off because nothing really interesting was coming out. The new mobula7 brought me back from fixed wing stuff (not more fun necessarily but more fun to fly miles out and up and coast back). This is pretty cool.
I started by building it in a 40mm, came in around 60g dry, it was fun but ultimately not ideal. Switched it to a 2S 2.5" toothpick and it's bananas. 3-4 minutes of hard flying on a 450mah. Crazy to have that much clarity, range, and agility in such a tiny package.
Same pneumonic I use but I think of White Tea (or Green Tea, since white & green wires are almost never together as RX & TX) to TX because the other colors aren't typically Tea types .😄
I am very impressed with the speed at which Avatar has grown into a relatively mature and usable system. I do prefer the quicker and more consistent frame rate of analog/HDz, but digital systems like DJI/WS are amazing for their image quality.
I love that frame. I'm waiting for my HX115LR frame right now for a build with 1202.5 motors and DarwinFPV ELRS 2-3s board. Would love to have walksnail video. I'm going analog at the moment because I want to use it as a toothpick with small lipos in 1 and 2s but also as a Long Range with 18650 so I don't know if 350mw will be enough for that. Either way, this vtx is awesome and I'm sure that future versions will allow this kind of digital video, light weight and more range.
@@creationlabsinc.189 it does look incredible, I was super interested in the hdzero but honestly the community kinda feels like a cult and I no longer see it as replacing analog like some would have you believe
@@kodabear3358 lmao! You said it best. A cultish feel for sure. It amazes me how serious a lot of hobbyist in fpv pick a side like it’s a political thing. I own all that’s out there to own in fpv as far as walksnail, hd zero, Dji. In all honesty I’m a visual person which is what drew me to fpv. I could care less about racing so hdzero just collects dust.
@@creationlabsinc.189 I seriously dont even forsee most racers switching over to hdzero unless they're sponsored it's just so expensive to repair compared to analog, its pretty much a product only elite racers will benefit from
@@Quad_Father yeah I questioned why they said it'd be a public beta for the goggles and then switched it to invite only and they kinda just gaslit me saying you wouldnt want to be a beta tester with all the requirements
AND I LEARNED SOMETHNG !!! LOL!!!! GOAT Wrangling with a mini quad.... who ever knew that could be a thing.... I though that was hilarious ... not so sure the goat(s) thought the same...Thanks for sharing.
Nice review. I know you say it is not a back to back comparision but it does seem pretty unfair on HDZero to try that distance with an video antenna that is basically a bit of wire. Not even a straight bit if wire at that.
great review! I actually prefer the way the HDzero looks at the end... its more pixelated yes, but there is more detail in shadows etc because of lack of compression. Seems like it might be easier/ more reliable to fly proximity
Great review! I'm really happy to see how fast Walksnail is improving this system. My only criticism (on the video) would be that the HDZero video quality looks much worse mostly due to the whoop camera. HDZero can look better than that with a better camera. This was mostly a range & break-up test though
HDZero can look better, but we are comparing the Whoop vTX bundle to the Aatar Mini bundle. You could buy the Whoop vTX separately, use a heavier camera, and then get a little better image quality at about the same weight, I suppose. That's just not an option I tested -- mostly because my HDZero whoop is ready to go and I don't want to gut it just to increase the weight and make it fly worse.
@@JoshuaBardwell That's a good point! I'm running the whoop vtx with the Runcam HDZero Micro camera (on a 3" toothpick) and it looks amazing. I completely skipped the Nano Lite camera lol
A lot of good things are happening nowadays on fpv fields. Very interesting times. But .. the goats beat everything else :) Thanks Joshua, I've learned some good things since I had started watching you.
Awesome! And again Walksnail makes something people have been asking for! Again a piece of machinery made to meet the community needs... and it is compatible with other products. Great!
Sometimes I feel like HDZero doesn't really get a fair shake outside of the racing scene. It's not trying to do the same things as DJI/Walksnail, and it seems to excel in racing applications. And I think its crucial to note that DJI/walksnail are basically not usable in 99% of races. Street league (bless them) have been allowing DJI in their races since they've been doing a lot of work getting their rotor hazard timer to work with it. Not the case in the vast majority of races. So if you're racing and you really crave better image than analog, then HDZero is kind of your only choice. Not that winning by default is really admirable, but it should be said. It goes unsaid in almost all of these comparison videos that HDZero is one way transmission, so you're not interfering with other pilots with your goggles, and timing systems work as expected. We always see how it drops out due to being one way, but we never hear about the advantages of that technology. Not surprising since it seems like racing is a small niche in FPV flying which is already a small niche itself. Love the videos Joshua, thank you for posting.
Really struggling to decide between DJI and Walksnail. Just getting into FPV and want definitely a fun tinywhoop because that's what I will be able to fly most often with. I want to build a larger 3" - 5" later too, but don't have that many spaces here to fly that compared to the tinywhoop. My thoughts about DJI so far: + seems to be the mature digital system + prices for the DJI Googles seem to be way more attractive than WalkSnail setups - not such a big friend of closed systems - doesn't seem to have a lightweight unit for TinyWhoops and Toothpicks - not sure how they're future will be with the embargo and sanctions going on. I'm from Europe, but still it might have an impact on their focus and Investements into FPV if the US market should break away Walksnail: + lightweight units + i like that it's more open and we've more options - doesn't seem to be as mature - looks like good googles + antenna + receiver are quite a bit more expensive than just buying v2 goggles for the DJI system
It is very interesting - I have a vrx kit on order to put on my HDZero goggles. Only thing I take issue with is your focus on video penetration over flight feel (lag and weight). I think you said you are working on that video, so I'll look for it
@@jmcjmc5587 the sneaky thing Bardwell left out of this dvr is the SRT track showing the lag vs time. He doesn't belive people feel lag spikes or at least that it doesn't matter to anyone
@@RyanQuellet Exact why not to put the SRT? I feel the lag and I have ask him if there's lag behind the barn but it don't respond me. If you look the video behind the barn HDZ is superior to WS with half the power.
@@jmcjmc5587 to be clear, I'm not saying hdzero is superior there - I'm pointing out that an important metric to people that fly and not just sight see is the lag and lag spikes. Hdzero is smooth as butter, others are not - Let's stop hiding this fact
Nah. Accept the facts, hdzero is just an improved analog. Even you have stability, that annoying rainbow flicks will knock you out while flying. And for WS, That's the compression of a variable system. DJI does that so this should not be new to us. It's pretty clear you have biases on a system that makes fpv community divided.
@@smoke2584 OK. So if HDZ is an improved analog then everything is an analog improved , even dji and ws. HDZ is not an analog pal/ntsc system. On DJI and WS you have not rainbow but you have super lag that make people crash.
Un grand merci pour cette vidéo, ça manquer vraiment. Commentaire en français, car je suis nul en anglais et utilise le traducteur de google :). Merci merci beaucoup
One difference between this and the regular vtx, that I think you forgot to mention, is that this 1s vtx only gets 1 antenna, while the other gets 2. I put this on my crux 3 1s elrs a while back. Took some massaging and a custom canopy, because the props are very close to the board in that frame, but it's very fun to zip around trees for 5 min or so.
Hey!! I have the 2s crux3. How hard was it to fit the WS whoop board? Also does the crux3 have a spare rx/tx pad I haven’t checked yet. I have a custom canopy not sure if that will work with it. I’m really only getting this for it so if it doesn’t work I’ll be PO lol
@@DivisionRc Hi. It is a bit of a weird setup that I ended up with. You can definitely make it work, it just won't be ideal. Main issue in my case was the tiny bit of clearance between props and electronics. the VTX is larger than the AIO. So my AIO board is where it was before, mounted to the carbon. On top of that I have a TPU custom canopy for the camera and the antenna. The camera mipi cable and the antenna wire go around the side of the AIO, down to the vtx that's mounted below the carbon. It's roated 45degrees relative to the AIO ( so the aio is corner-forward, the vtx is flat-side-forward), and the screws go through the little openings in the arms of the frame, sort of under motor wires. Technically they aren't screwed into anything, they just fit really snuggly, and with nuts on top, they can't go anywhere. On the bottom of the VTX I have a TPU piece for protection. The good thing about the vtx being below the AIO and frame is that the ELRS ceramic antenna is not sandwitched between the boards, as it would be if the vtx was on top. The bad thing is I need to unscrew the vtx to get to the AIO's USB port (that is below the AIO in my case). So better make sure you have your configuration done right before you put it together. There are other ways to do it, but it would require moving the motors up, down or out , or slightly smaller props, and I didn't want to deal with that. It could also be mounted on top of the AIO on spacers to move the vtx board just above the prop line, but I didn't want the quad to end up this tall. So.. my solution is fairly compact, but inconvenient if you need to work on it. I hardly ever have to plug this thing in, so it works for me. And yeah, the crux should have a spare tx/rx. At least mine does, I'm not sure if the 2s version has the same board. The 5v pad couldn't provide enough power for the vtx, though, so I powered it off of vbat. You can't do that with 2s, so make sure you have a 5v pad that can provide the power or you'll have to squeeze a separate regulator somewhere. I can take some pictures of the setup if you need. Let me know.
So soon I'm going to join your patrion and give you money to help me fix this drone I just cannot figure out. But first I need to buy parts to have on hand!
So can we just build normal sized 3, 4, 5" drones and put this thing off a 3.3v pad of the fc 🤔 I wouldn't see why not provided the pad can handle the 2 amps. Can make your quad lighter and if it's cheaper than a vista or air unit I'm in especially for cinewhoops
Fantastic flying and review, Joshua!!! 😃 Honestly, in the beginning I've found this system pretty shady, let's say... But today I think it was FatShark's faulty, the way they showed it to us. But now... I'm really liking it! 😃 I'm seriously considering getting the HDZero goggles and the Walksnail VRX! (I know, neither is out yet, but I'm taking in about a year, perhaps more. 😬) Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
@@JoshuaBardwell oh sure. i just meant "Some people are going to prefer hdzero and some people would prefer this." without revealing your personal preferences. That being said, would love to see your comparison of a better HDZero camera (I liked Digisight v3 so far..) against this camera. Also the random HDZero latency jitter in it's Vrx modules (I don't know why or when it happens, but i swear it happens on almost every 2nd battery for me!) vs. the latency spikes in this system.
@@saidinesh5 even hdzero have the latest cams. The image itself is not as good sa walksnail. Just accept the facts. It is still analog image with just crispier image. That's all hdzero does.
HDZero would really benefit from some additional error correction/smoothing, the breakup is incredibly annoying (and seizure-inducing), even more so than analog video.
One way link so it's hard to correct missed packets. I wonder if it could do similar to what ELRS is doing now, sending multiple packets. Maybe you'd get half the resolution but more resilience?
OMG! WOW! I haven't completed watching your video but I've got a question. What do you think the signal would be if we bring it far like a mile or like bandos?
So, the weight of the Avatar 1S is 6.8g + camera 3.5g = 10.3g ...Better, but a naked Vista with a Nebula Pro Nano is 12.4g, full features with 120fps, and 0.7g less with a 60fps, but great low light Polar Nano camera. Not that huge of an achievement. And, I'll bet the naked Vista is more durable and reliable than the WalkSnail 1S. Vista's have a long established reliability history.
You radio is going nuts. Is that the telemetry lost notification? Please follow up on the baud rate thing for on your previous video. What is the appropriate baud rate? I get errors in almost every setting. Some more than others.
Walksnail looks crisp and clear, HDzero its between analog and Walksnail, plus the sparkles i do not like at all on HDZero, Walksnail all the way... FU... DJI
Cool to see comparison against HDZERO. The picture is so much clearer, BUT when you turn / move fast the HDZERO is so much smoother. Its like the Walksnail is running at 15fps - can see every frame move. Is it like that in the goggles? I have Walksnail on order so hope it isn't. Doesn't look like 60hz to me
I just can’t get passed all the graininess digital systems have. Everything starts to get blocky and blurry. I’ll deff hold off for a while until they fix this.
You mentioned you weren't confident the AIO BEC could output the 2+ amps to run the vtx and cam. Did you actually measure the draw @5v? I can't seem to find that spec anywhere. It would be nice to know if it would run off an AIO BEC capable of 2 or 3amps. That opens up the possibility of a 1-2s or 2-6s build without adding an external BEC.
It maxes out at 7 watts so you can do the math. 7 watts / 5 volts = 1.4 amps. If the AIO BEC is rated for 2 amps I wouldn't do it. If it was rated for 3 amps and it was an honest rating, then it would work. I've just seen too many 5v regulators that brown out under load and don't make their rated output.
Those are types of voltage regulators. Step down, step up, boost/buck, etc. All types of voltage regulator. Are you saying you think a "regulator" can only step down?
@@JoshuaBardwell I was referring the the part of the video (around 9:00) where you say “I’ll bet the regulator can supply 5v even after the battery drops below..” so I was referring to the context (of a whoop flight controller) given in the video. Not only can the regulator (on the whoop) not provide 5v when given 4.2, but these sort of regulators usually have a drop-off voltage, making them require a volt or so above the rated output voltage. Sorry, I never noticed you replied to this old comment - UA-cam auto-played this old video and I remembered commenting.
As soon as I heard him say “this thing is fun as shit” I knew I had to order mine. Learned something today. Thanks JB.
Great review! It's been interesting watching DJI, Walksnail and HDZero each position themselves in the market. What a great time to be a consumer.
Even greater times if you are a customer and your firstname is Joshua 😊.
I think all three are going for slightly different things which makes it competitive. Right now I see hdzero being the lightest , dji being the best quality and walksnail being right in the middle.
Pre-cough was a great time to be a consumer regarding FPV. Now everything is 30% more expensive and then some.
I think its time to start teaching your son about fpv and learning to fly quads. I miss those days when my son was about 5 and always asking questions. Great video JB, thanks for what you do for the fpv community, always great information. Thank you.
This or HDZero for a Whoop? What about for a 3" toothpick?
If that walksnail VTX comes along will it work in my DJI googles or will the goggles need to have HDMI input?
@@SueMyChin No, hdmi in required
Ill be using this on a 3 inch. 75mm should be fine though.
Today is the day joshua I've been watching your videos for years and credit you completely to teaching me everything I know about fpv I've been put of the hobby for a few years and need to relearn all the new tech. Patron here I come!!
On board recording looks fantastic for what it is. Also this camera seems shockingly competent. Nice product.
I’ve got the BetaFPV Metor75 in Walksnail. You definitely feel the extra weight. Hover at 50% throttle, it’s no hot rod. But the penetration performance is spectacular. I fly at work in a metal and concrete building. And can traverse three floors and from one end of the building to the other without any worry of signal loss. I go through the building and open as many doors as possible. And spend hours on end running circuits through the building.
This makes the HD Zero goggle become even more interesting
Got my 1s nano avatar VTX in the mail today.
Gonna put it on a Rekon4fr to have a sub 250 with digital.
That quad has a micro size analog cam now, so maybe I'll order the micro avatar cam later or just keep the nano cam but in a 19x19 converter mount.
Vtx will be powered by the 5v pad I guess.
Also received my Fatshark Dominator bundle yesterday and kinda like it.
Unlock and firmware was easy, image is great.
This is my first ever experience with digital and wow...
Good on caddx for developing the Avatar module, these are interesting times to be in the hobby and that VRX module is such a smart move!
I wanted to get the HDzero goggles but that's just taking to long and really wanted to try the Walksnail system.
Might switch to HDzero goggles later for my race quad and wait out what the Walksnail module is gonna do in the long run and get that later. Dominator goggles could always be sold, but for now I'm impressed.
Still need to do a first digital flight, but rain is saying no..
Great review. I've been enjoying 1s vtx on my 3" diatone cube for a while now. 7min of pure fun.
How do you Manage the 5V input on your 3”? Surely you are using 2s or 3s?
Dji should have done this ages ago.
Yes, but they didn’t and they had good reasons not to. DJI went for BIG money, not to make that handful of FPV pilots happy.
@@nickvledder "handful". That's a big claim from a fanboy
Dji could care less, eat your food and you'll like it.
@@nickvledder that handful is most of the community
@Nick Vledder when dji will make an indoor micro fpv bundle, this sport will get sooo big, almost like when Metallica released their black crappy album
Nice!
But please make the same comparison walksnail vs. HDZero with flipped antennas!
This would show:
1. If you can spare the 1,5g for a walksnail tiny whoop
2. What could really be expected from HDZero on a small toothpick
Thank you in advance!
Thanks Joshua. I just ordered the walksnail 1s bundle with their new VTX yesterday. The betaflight stuff will be very helpful when I receive it. My long-term plans are a HDzero goggles with the Walksnail hdmi VTX and an analog module. Basically Swiss army knife goggles 😉
Sounds like a good idea
Yes, I reckon many of us will be going down this route.
Do you know if that walksnail VTX will it work in my DJI v1 googles or will the goggles need to have HDMI input?
@@SueMyChin No it won't work on dji. Needs hdmi in.
@@SueMyChin I think you have to have an HDMI input for it to work.
Man, I love the HX115 frame. I did a full freestyle toothpick build on it with HDZ running 2S that people got pretty excited about and it is a hardcore pocket ripper! I am looking forward to adding walksnail to the arsenal before the end of the year, and maybe I will do a variant of that build to incorporate the 1S WS VTX into. Always appreciate your opinions!
I did the same thing. I have my hx115lr, with a HDZero whoop vtx, love it.
curious about what size and kv you used on your build, would like to do a similar build and would like to see what others are using
@@where1024 for sure! I actually have a whole playlist on my channel about it, but essentially it is the HX115 running gemfan 3" props, FPV cycle 13mm 11500kv motors, the Darwin 15A AIO, and HDZ whoop lite. I did a tune with auto PID selection to run 1S or 2S on it with a motor output limit for the 2S tune. It can either be a smooth stealth flyer that can hardly be heard in a park...or a hardcore freestyle ripper. Just pick the pack voltage for what you want to do with it and send it! There are some considerations for things like the tall camera that I did on the build as well and covered in a video when I converted it from analog to HDZero.
@@BaconNinjaFPV gonna have to check those vids out
Love my hx115 lr too. I've got mine setup for long flight time. Got a 1300mah 1s near 9min flights
It took over a year for anything to catch my attention in the fpv world. Looks like a good candidate here.
I couldn't agree more. I actually took a year off because nothing really interesting was coming out. The new mobula7 brought me back from fixed wing stuff (not more fun necessarily but more fun to fly miles out and up and coast back). This is pretty cool.
This is the first thing I have seen that differentiates itself from DJI. I love DJI systems but I could see this going into two of my quads easily.
Awesome vid. I really need to build a 3" Fatshail toothpick. That 115 LR frame is a great platform for some fun little 3" 3s quads.
I started by building it in a 40mm, came in around 60g dry, it was fun but ultimately not ideal. Switched it to a 2S 2.5" toothpick and it's bananas. 3-4 minutes of hard flying on a 450mah. Crazy to have that much clarity, range, and agility in such a tiny package.
Same pneumonic I use but I think of White Tea (or Green Tea, since white & green wires are almost never together as RX & TX) to TX because the other colors aren't typically Tea types .😄
You earned my support. I'll be a patron soon I just got into this hobby and I learned a lot from you already
I am very impressed with the speed at which Avatar has grown into a relatively mature and usable system. I do prefer the quicker and more consistent frame rate of analog/HDz, but digital systems like DJI/WS are amazing for their image quality.
I love that frame. I'm waiting for my HX115LR frame right now for a build with 1202.5 motors and DarwinFPV ELRS 2-3s board. Would love to have walksnail video. I'm going analog at the moment because I want to use it as a toothpick with small lipos in 1 and 2s but also as a Long Range with 18650 so I don't know if 350mw will be enough for that. Either way, this vtx is awesome and I'm sure that future versions will allow this kind of digital video, light weight and more range.
I absolutely hated this system but now I'm seriously thinking of getting this over DJI or hdzero
It does seriously look good.
@@creationlabsinc.189 it does look incredible, I was super interested in the hdzero but honestly the community kinda feels like a cult and I no longer see it as replacing analog like some would have you believe
@@kodabear3358 lmao! You said it best. A cultish feel for sure. It amazes me how serious a lot of hobbyist in fpv pick a side like it’s a political thing. I own all that’s out there to own in fpv as far as walksnail, hd zero, Dji. In all honesty I’m a visual person which is what drew me to fpv. I could care less about racing so hdzero just collects dust.
@@creationlabsinc.189 I seriously dont even forsee most racers switching over to hdzero unless they're sponsored it's just so expensive to repair compared to analog, its pretty much a product only elite racers will benefit from
@@Quad_Father yeah I questioned why they said it'd be a public beta for the goggles and then switched it to invite only and they kinda just gaslit me saying you wouldnt want to be a beta tester with all the requirements
AND I LEARNED SOMETHNG !!! LOL!!!! GOAT Wrangling with a mini quad.... who ever knew that could be a thing.... I though that was hilarious ... not so sure the goat(s) thought the same...Thanks for sharing.
Please do a review of the new VAS Avenger Long Range Antenna 🙏
Nice review. I know you say it is not a back to back comparision but it does seem pretty unfair on HDZero to try that distance with an video antenna that is basically a bit of wire. Not even a straight bit if wire at that.
great review! I actually prefer the way the HDzero looks at the end... its more pixelated yes, but there is more detail in shadows etc because of lack of compression. Seems like it might be easier/ more reliable to fly proximity
Great review! I'm really happy to see how fast Walksnail is improving this system. My only criticism (on the video) would be that the HDZero video quality looks much worse mostly due to the whoop camera. HDZero can look better than that with a better camera. This was mostly a range & break-up test though
HDZero can look better, but we are comparing the Whoop vTX bundle to the Aatar Mini bundle. You could buy the Whoop vTX separately, use a heavier camera, and then get a little better image quality at about the same weight, I suppose. That's just not an option I tested -- mostly because my HDZero whoop is ready to go and I don't want to gut it just to increase the weight and make it fly worse.
@@JoshuaBardwell That's a good point! I'm running the whoop vtx with the Runcam HDZero Micro camera (on a 3" toothpick) and it looks amazing. I completely skipped the Nano Lite camera lol
@@JoshuaBardwell also this is a 4:3 sensor and you're showing footage in 16x9 which doesn't look as sharp
A lot of good things are happening nowadays on fpv fields. Very interesting times. But .. the goats beat everything else :) Thanks Joshua, I've learned some good things since I had started watching you.
You mean in fpv fields of science and mechanics , or fpv exiled to cornfields ?
@@gregorydahl Definitely science and mechanics, albeit efficient flying over cornfields maybe its obvious consequence.
Love that your little video screen is called "Lilliput"
That HDZero test with the dipole was quite impressive really. Would have been nice to see the same test with similar antenna that Walksnail had.
And same output
How's that new 28.x walksnail firmware looking to you?
This fw looks great. If this fw was on the first release, fatsnail will hold a good reputation immediately
Mr Bardwell - you should do some videos on modifying old tech. Lots of possibilities.
No need for longer standoffs, just print the camera mount so it give you 3mm extra, do the same for the back obviously
Lol. It's funny hearing you panic because we all do the same thing.
Joshua you should take a look at the Caddx VRX bundle -> I think this set will get a lot more pilots to test Walksnail!
And … I ordered one. I fly a whoop everyday indoors during the winter. Now I’ll be doing it with digital.
Awesome! And again Walksnail makes something people have been asking for! Again a piece of machinery made to meet the community needs... and it is compatible with other products. Great!
About time somebody got some FPV goat drifting.
Impressive. I wish this had been out when I outfitted my 1s toothpicks with the HDzero whoop bundle.
I do that too with the TX, but is use White-Tee, like a white T-shirt.
Very impressive stuff. Joshua. That goat was like, “there’s a big A$$ ufo bee chasing me”! 😆👍
Sometimes I feel like HDZero doesn't really get a fair shake outside of the racing scene. It's not trying to do the same things as DJI/Walksnail, and it seems to excel in racing applications. And I think its crucial to note that DJI/walksnail are basically not usable in 99% of races. Street league (bless them) have been allowing DJI in their races since they've been doing a lot of work getting their rotor hazard timer to work with it. Not the case in the vast majority of races. So if you're racing and you really crave better image than analog, then HDZero is kind of your only choice. Not that winning by default is really admirable, but it should be said. It goes unsaid in almost all of these comparison videos that HDZero is one way transmission, so you're not interfering with other pilots with your goggles, and timing systems work as expected. We always see how it drops out due to being one way, but we never hear about the advantages of that technology. Not surprising since it seems like racing is a small niche in FPV flying which is already a small niche itself. Love the videos Joshua, thank you for posting.
Really struggling to decide between DJI and Walksnail. Just getting into FPV and want definitely a fun tinywhoop because that's what I will be able to fly most often with. I want to build a larger 3" - 5" later too, but don't have that many spaces here to fly that compared to the tinywhoop.
My thoughts about DJI so far:
+ seems to be the mature digital system
+ prices for the DJI Googles seem to be way more attractive than WalkSnail setups
- not such a big friend of closed systems
- doesn't seem to have a lightweight unit for TinyWhoops and Toothpicks
- not sure how they're future will be with the embargo and sanctions going on. I'm from Europe, but still it might have an impact on their focus and Investements into FPV if the US market should break away
Walksnail:
+ lightweight units
+ i like that it's more open and we've more options
- doesn't seem to be as mature
- looks like good googles + antenna + receiver are quite a bit more expensive than just buying v2 goggles for the DJI system
🤣😂🤣 Go Goats Go! Had a great laugh watching Your goat. Merry Christmas Josh and Family. Blessing 👋🇨🇦
I pull out my 75mm at 3.2v. Hmmm . Gonna get some of that 1s Walksnail gear now. Nice review BTW.
It is very interesting - I have a vrx kit on order to put on my HDZero goggles. Only thing I take issue with is your focus on video penetration over flight feel (lag and weight). I think you said you are working on that video, so I'll look for it
@@jmcjmc5587 the sneaky thing Bardwell left out of this dvr is the SRT track showing the lag vs time. He doesn't belive people feel lag spikes or at least that it doesn't matter to anyone
@@RyanQuellet Exact why not to put the SRT? I feel the lag and I have ask him if there's lag behind the barn but it don't respond me. If you look the video behind the barn HDZ is superior to WS with half the power.
@@jmcjmc5587 to be clear, I'm not saying hdzero is superior there - I'm pointing out that an important metric to people that fly and not just sight see is the lag and lag spikes. Hdzero is smooth as butter, others are not - Let's stop hiding this fact
Nah. Accept the facts, hdzero is just an improved analog. Even you have stability, that annoying rainbow flicks will knock you out while flying. And for WS, That's the compression of a variable system. DJI does that so this should not be new to us. It's pretty clear you have biases on a system that makes fpv community divided.
@@smoke2584 OK. So if HDZ is an improved analog then everything is an analog improved , even dji and ws. HDZ is not an analog pal/ntsc system. On DJI and WS you have not rainbow but you have super lag that make people crash.
Your not the only weirdo Bardwell, I too use whiTe for tx, also there is no uart 0, but ports can be 0
Love tjoes goats ❤ nice clip defenetly i learn something today
Almost ready to pull the trigger on this.... got burned by dji not fully supporting their product.
Un grand merci pour cette vidéo, ça manquer vraiment. Commentaire en français, car je suis nul en anglais et utilise le traducteur de google :). Merci merci beaucoup
yeah I just ordered the vrx yesterday too, I still didn't like them but if the product speaks I'm good
It's was .1 volts off in the goggles so according to your power supply, the vtx shutdown at 3.0 volts.
One difference between this and the regular vtx, that I think you forgot to mention, is that this 1s vtx only gets 1 antenna, while the other gets 2.
I put this on my crux 3 1s elrs a while back. Took some massaging and a custom canopy, because the props are very close to the board in that frame, but it's very fun to zip around trees for 5 min or so.
Hey!! I have the 2s crux3. How hard was it to fit the WS whoop board? Also does the crux3 have a spare rx/tx pad I haven’t checked yet. I have a custom canopy not sure if that will work with it. I’m really only getting this for it so if it doesn’t work I’ll be PO lol
@@DivisionRc Hi. It is a bit of a weird setup that I ended up with. You can definitely make it work, it just won't be ideal. Main issue in my case was the tiny bit of clearance between props and electronics. the VTX is larger than the AIO.
So my AIO board is where it was before, mounted to the carbon. On top of that I have a TPU custom canopy for the camera and the antenna. The camera mipi cable and the antenna wire go around the side of the AIO, down to the vtx that's mounted below the carbon. It's roated 45degrees relative to the AIO ( so the aio is corner-forward, the vtx is flat-side-forward), and the screws go through the little openings in the arms of the frame, sort of under motor wires. Technically they aren't screwed into anything, they just fit really snuggly, and with nuts on top, they can't go anywhere. On the bottom of the VTX I have a TPU piece for protection.
The good thing about the vtx being below the AIO and frame is that the ELRS ceramic antenna is not sandwitched between the boards, as it would be if the vtx was on top.
The bad thing is I need to unscrew the vtx to get to the AIO's USB port (that is below the AIO in my case). So better make sure you have your configuration done right before you put it together.
There are other ways to do it, but it would require moving the motors up, down or out , or slightly smaller props, and I didn't want to deal with that. It could also be mounted on top of the AIO on spacers to move the vtx board just above the prop line, but I didn't want the quad to end up this tall.
So.. my solution is fairly compact, but inconvenient if you need to work on it. I hardly ever have to plug this thing in, so it works for me.
And yeah, the crux should have a spare tx/rx. At least mine does, I'm not sure if the 2s version has the same board. The 5v pad couldn't provide enough power for the vtx, though, so I powered it off of vbat. You can't do that with 2s, so make sure you have a 5v pad that can provide the power or you'll have to squeeze a separate regulator somewhere.
I can take some pictures of the setup if you need. Let me know.
Thanks .. --- was saving for hd0 . I woulda got stuck with the same thing as analog but for more money .
Would be awesome is they made something like a 200mw vtx properly designed and scaled down for a tiny whoop.
So soon I'm going to join your patrion and give you money to help me fix this drone I just cannot figure out. But first I need to buy parts to have on hand!
jb's a slackliner? Nice
What is about output power, Joshua? Will it be lower at 3V and higher at 5?
That image looks better than the full size transmitter.
I think Walksnail should consider a vtx with an optional ELRS reciever.
So can we just build normal sized 3, 4, 5" drones and put this thing off a 3.3v pad of the fc 🤔 I wouldn't see why not provided the pad can handle the 2 amps. Can make your quad lighter and if it's cheaper than a vista or air unit I'm in especially for cinewhoops
awesome review as always JB
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Whoop: Dear diary ✍️... I can't describe✍️... that pain....✍️
Grey for grrrrrrrreat RX lol I thought I was being smart doing white for TX because of the T.
Fantastic flying and review, Joshua!!! 😃
Honestly, in the beginning I've found this system pretty shady, let's say... But today I think it was FatShark's faulty, the way they showed it to us.
But now... I'm really liking it! 😃
I'm seriously considering getting the HDZero goggles and the Walksnail VRX! (I know, neither is out yet, but I'm taking in about a year, perhaps more. 😬)
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Good for indoor anything...not just quads !!
I love this! But way out my pay grade :( the googles alone cost about 1/2 the how much i paid for my car.
Actually if you are using Softserial … the index bumper is 30.
An Info that is really hard to find.
It's been fun watching Bardwell walk that tight rope trying not to upset all the HDZero fans in this one. Good review!
I only think about what is fair to the product. I don't decide what to say based on how people will react.
@@JoshuaBardwell oh sure. i just meant "Some people are going to prefer hdzero and some people would prefer this." without revealing your personal preferences. That being said, would love to see your comparison of a better HDZero camera (I liked Digisight v3 so far..) against this camera. Also the random HDZero latency jitter in it's Vrx modules (I don't know why or when it happens, but i swear it happens on almost every 2nd battery for me!) vs. the latency spikes in this system.
@@saidinesh5 even hdzero have the latest cams. The image itself is not as good sa walksnail. Just accept the facts. It is still analog image with just crispier image. That's all hdzero does.
They are already upset😂
You also need rx and tx for standby mode to work properly. If not you’ll be stuck on standby mode
You can just disable temperature protection and then standby mode is disabled.
@@JoshuaBardwell okay I’m sorry, wasn’t sure if you said that in the vid
Man this would be sweet for my flywoo explorer
HDZero would really benefit from some additional error correction/smoothing, the breakup is incredibly annoying (and seizure-inducing), even more so than analog video.
One way link so it's hard to correct missed packets. I wonder if it could do similar to what ELRS is doing now, sending multiple packets. Maybe you'd get half the resolution but more resilience?
Thanks!
Heh, just ordered vrx with this vtx, what timing
It's a shame about hd zero. The people said they wanted analog style breakup and now that they did it not many people like it.
not drone related.. but i want your scamp camper... that being said i now have to go spend more money on walksnail...
Grate review as always did u see the fliy
I'm thinking about the vrx they are for sale now I just saw
Lol your little one sounds just like mine asking what I'm doing.
OMG! WOW! I haven't completed watching your video but I've got a question. What do you think the signal would be if we bring it far like a mile or like bandos?
yeahp, looks much more go-pro than hdzero, however that hdzero cam is pretty bad compared to others.
Could you make a cam comparison video with that cam and the runcam Split 4 or Split Nano (digital vs. analog), please?
Great review. Do you have lag behind the barn?
So, the weight of the Avatar 1S is 6.8g + camera 3.5g = 10.3g ...Better, but a naked Vista with a Nebula Pro Nano is 12.4g, full features with 120fps, and 0.7g less with a 60fps, but great low light Polar Nano camera. Not that huge of an achievement. And, I'll bet the naked Vista is more durable and reliable than the WalkSnail 1S. Vista's have a long established reliability history.
But vista is not 1S.
Naked Vista at 12.4g with camera doesn't sound right to me. GetFPV and Pyro list the naked Vista and Nebula Nano at 18g not including antenna.
You radio is going nuts. Is that the telemetry lost notification? Please follow up on the baud rate thing for on your previous video. What is the appropriate baud rate? I get errors in almost every setting. Some more than others.
The goats are too much!!
Would this work in a Darwin Baby Ape?
my prayers are answered
Good to know I’m not the only jabroni that thinks of the TX wire as “whiTe.”
walksnail does not have radio receiver build in and reson why is smaller. Maybe DJI can do same
Walksnail looks crisp and clear, HDzero its between analog and Walksnail, plus the sparkles i do not like at all on HDZero, Walksnail all the way... FU... DJI
Cool to see comparison against HDZERO. The picture is so much clearer, BUT when you turn / move fast the HDZERO is so much smoother. Its like the Walksnail is running at 15fps - can see every frame move. Is it like that in the goggles? I have Walksnail on order so hope it isn't. Doesn't look like 60hz to me
This is basically exactly what it looks like in the goggles. HDZero is smoother and consistent latency -- that's its strong point.
Be interesting to hear an update how you find it when you get it set up
I own XH115LR and once it below 2.8v it will fall from sky :) the VTX will black first before drone haha
Am I going to have to rebuild all my Babytooths?
I just can’t get passed all the graininess digital systems have. Everything starts to get blocky and blurry. I’ll deff hold off for a while until they fix this.
Hdzero doesn't have this effect. But it's lower resolution overall.
@@JoshuaBardwell I guess my eyes treat things different then lol cuz what I see vs everyone else. Is not good lmao but that’s my own personal opinion.
Why didn't you convert the hdzero 16:9 file into its proper 4:3 image? It made it looked stretched and lower resolution than it actually looks
BIG Thumbs up !
You mentioned you weren't confident the AIO BEC could output the 2+ amps to run the vtx and cam. Did you actually measure the draw @5v? I can't seem to find that spec anywhere. It would be nice to know if it would run off an AIO BEC capable of 2 or 3amps. That opens up the possibility of a 1-2s or 2-6s build without adding an external BEC.
It maxes out at 7 watts so you can do the math. 7 watts / 5 volts = 1.4 amps. If the AIO BEC is rated for 2 amps I wouldn't do it. If it was rated for 3 amps and it was an honest rating, then it would work. I've just seen too many 5v regulators that brown out under load and don't make their rated output.
@@JoshuaBardwell Spec on the AIO I have handy for the first walksnail build says 2.5 amp BEC. So I guess we'll just have to try it to find out.
You said 7 watts with upgrade . Mine says 700mW max
Where on earth did you get the idea that a regulator can provide higher voltage than it receives? That would be a step-up or boost converter.
Those are types of voltage regulators. Step down, step up, boost/buck, etc. All types of voltage regulator. Are you saying you think a "regulator" can only step down?
@@JoshuaBardwell I was referring the the part of the video (around 9:00) where you say “I’ll bet the regulator can supply 5v even after the battery drops below..” so I was referring to the context (of a whoop flight controller) given in the video.
Not only can the regulator (on the whoop) not provide 5v when given 4.2, but these sort of regulators usually have a drop-off voltage, making them require a volt or so above the rated output voltage.
Sorry, I never noticed you replied to this old comment - UA-cam auto-played this old video and I remembered commenting.