We have tried battle steel plates. The customer service is excellent. The product plate was excellent. The carriers survived testing. The edges were good! Thanks for your tests.
your channel is awesome and has been critical in my research of body armor and what to get. you are literally saving lives with your independent research.
Wow! Literally the best testing I’ve seen on UA-cam! Nice job sir! Appreciate all your hard work. Excellent video, you definitely got a new subscriber today! Wish I saw this channel long ago!
You certainly do exhaustive checks on the armour You test , and its really interesting to see the results , regardless of whoever or whichever oversight is used , the fact is this is real life testing in the sort of conditions this equipment is likely to be used in , not just some sanitary lab at a Govt' facility , so I would say it has it's own form of validity every bit as valid as those from "Accredited" institutions simply because Your methods & practices are utterly transparent . Thanks Matt . Have a Scooby Snack ,You deserve one .
Love this channel! Just subbed! Can't wait for more armor tests! I have been looking to buy some rifle plates so I have been going through the playlist.
It's entirely possible. I can't test every barrel length, and typically why I try to start worst case scenario and then move down. Since I at times I only have 1 plate, I can only do so much :(
@@prototype3a muzzle energy doesn’t really matter as much as velocity and surface striking area. If the round is moving fast and the bullet is small in diameter, it’s gonna pop a plate better than a heavier, larger diameter round moving slower.
@@inferninx My point was that AFAIK, FN 5.7 FMJ doesn't really punch through much of anything so I wouldn't expect 4.6 to either. Just look at 55gr 556 FMJ. Similar diameter, similar weight, MUCH faster.
As always, great testing. Did Battle Steel change the design of this plate? The one you're testing has a nylon cover but the one linked seems to have that rhino style coating.
off topic, but with cmmg announcing a 4.6x30 banshee platform with 40rnd mags, I was wondering if you'll be using it in armor tests. 4.6x30 was the mp7 round and we may see it become prominent on the civ market since it's cheaper to manufacture than 5.7.
I highly doubt it’ll be more prevalent than the 5.7 unless it gets widely adopted by the market. It’s literally a spicy .22mag, and you’ll never be able to get the steel core AP ammo that makes it effective. They need to actually make a handgun or two chambered in it for it to be as popular as the 5.7x28, in addition to being adopted into many different weapons platforms. Now, if HK finally gave us what we want, which is a semi auto version, i think it would go a long way to making it much more prevalent In our current market.
@@inferninx I've watched some comparisons and it's much more powerful than 22wmr. As for the market, there has been a good amount of adoption in Europe so i don't see why it couldn't have the same here. Also the case dimensions and treatment process make 4.6 easier to manufacture than 5.7
In theory yes it is easier to manufacturer because the 5.7 needs a lacquer/polymer coating, but it's not like that tech isn't already used for steel case ammo. 5.7 can use the same 5.56 bullets up to 55gr in weight. To answer your question, I've already requested one, and you can betcha I'll dive as deep as I can into reviewing the 4.6
@@jordanhorst6 I mean honestly I don’t see how it can be much more powerful, given case powder volume dimensions and bullet grain weights of both calibers. There’s only so much case space for powder, so they can only push the bullet so hot. Unless they use some super fast burning pistol powder, there’s really not gonna be a huge advantage over a 5.7 or even a .22mag coming out of the same barrel length. There’s a reason why MP7 operators who have actually used it in combat have had best results when they partially magdump a person. It wasn’t designed as a semi auto pistol cartridge, and it’s main purpose Is an smg cartridge with full auto in mind. But I’m all for adopting another cool cartridge if we can get it for a good price. Again, the limitation is that this is a very controlled weapons platform, so the ammunition is hard to come by and really expensive when you do find it since no one stateside owns an MP7. I doubt one company making a 4.6x30 caliber chambered AR is gonna change that dynamic much.
I'm always curious what us dirty civilians can use. How would a barnes 110gr ttsx pushed to 3350 out of 308 or 130gr ttsx at 3060fps fair against level 3+. Better than M80ball?
That’s subjective. My tests are worst case scenario and I do my darn best to make them fail. There have been other level III+ that have stopped m855a1 at 22” barrel velocities.
Mr Matt did the Nij official announced the RF1 , RF2, RF3 configurations ??? If yes can you pliz sow as the rounds that it's level stops in your next video??
Great testing as always. What do you think of Dayton armor? They have some pretty impressive claims, almost unbelievably so. The one video I saw testing them was sketchy at best, and useless at worst (also sponsored). Ive seen them being talked about but don't have anything hard to pin my doubts to, save for the fact that they are a new company claiming to have tech better than that of decades old companies...
It's really hard to beat the Level III LAPG for performance against threats, but that plate is only single curve and not edge to edge. If you most definitely want to stop M855a1 and M80A1 go with the LAPG. This plate would serve you well for all other III/+ threats.
Just sold my 1155s and bought a pair of BS3+MC1012PC5 they had on sale for $100/plate. They say they are multi-curve and the ones you reviewed here are BS3+MC1012 so I'm guessing they're the same plates. Level IV is nice but I figured since they already protect against m855, the edge-to-edge protection and lighter weight made them the obvious choice.
It will do find against CONUS threats like M855 and M193. Link battlesteel.com/battle-steel-level-3-special-threat-armor-plates-m855-green-tip-protection/?avad=227253_c293422bd
They outlawed the sale of new m855A1, so all we can get it old stock or stuff that was stolen, so you'll never see it sold that way in the states unless laws are changed. You can that Obama for this.
@@BuffRANGE I looked but its hard to find info, it was done back in 2015 when they tried to ban the m855 but failed, whether it was ban or not during that time all of the new M855A1 was taken off the market. All you could get after that is either old/new stock or stolen. It may have been done by executive order and if thats the case then it would take a new POTUS to end the the ban on new EPR ammo.
Battle steel? Lol. No mention of the frags in your face and neck from the shots the plate “stopped”. Some people will buy any junk as long as it’s cheap.
That poor plate never stood a chance R.I.P. 🪦! I’ll keep my 100 dollar Lvl 3 LAPG plate that stopped all of this and weighs around 3ounces more. Code Buffman 💪😉!!
@@TooManyChoices1 pero solo tienen 5 años de validez, ademas de que ya vienen con 1 o 2 años perdidos, no tienen protección de borde a borde y pesan lo mismo que el nivel 4 de battle steel, en lugar de comprar el nivel III de LAPG mejor compraría el nivel 4 de battle steel, misma duración de años, mismo peso, y mayor protección el nivel 4 ademas de que protege de borde a borde. Saludos
this channel is criminally underrated, love the other gun channels and it seems like its alot of fluff, Buffman always got great videos.
Thank you!
We have tried battle steel plates. The customer service is excellent. The product plate was excellent. The carriers survived testing. The edges were good! Thanks for your tests.
You are welcome
your channel is awesome and has been critical in my research of body armor and what to get. you are literally saving lives with your independent research.
The pleasure is all mine..
Dude, this is awesome, thanks for the in-depth testing methods
You are very welcomed. I try to maintain this standard of testing for all armor “tests” :)
Wow! Literally the best testing I’ve seen on UA-cam! Nice job sir! Appreciate all your hard work. Excellent video, you definitely got a new subscriber today! Wish I saw this channel long ago!
Thank you very much! Armor testing is pretty much my niche, and while I'm not an NIJ lab, I pretend to be one as best as I can :D
You certainly do exhaustive checks on the armour You test , and its really interesting to see the results , regardless of whoever or whichever oversight is used , the fact is this is real life testing in the sort of conditions this equipment is likely to be used in , not just some sanitary lab at a Govt' facility , so I would say it has it's own form of validity every bit as valid as those from "Accredited" institutions simply because Your methods & practices are utterly transparent . Thanks Matt . Have a Scooby Snack ,You deserve one .
Your tests are great!
This guy is legitimately jacked, if he took gear he would be a bodybuilder.
Love this channel! Just subbed! Can't wait for more armor tests! I have been looking to buy some rifle plates so I have been going through the playlist.
They are becoming quite expansive.
Very excellent video and great testing setup.
Glad you liked it!
King of armor testing!
Nice! Been waiting for this one for a while
GREAT VIDEO LIKE ALWAYS !! Thank you!
You are most welcomed. !
I wonder if the most likely scenario of m855a1 out of a 14.5” barrel would’ve stopped by this plate? Ie. In this test a much longer barrel was used.
It's entirely possible. I can't test every barrel length, and typically why I try to start worst case scenario and then move down. Since I at times I only have 1 plate, I can only do so much :(
Here we go!
Any 4.6x30mm tests soon since cmmg came out with the foursix?
FWIW, 4.6x30 is less muzzle energy than 5.7x28.
@@prototype3a muzzle energy doesn’t really matter as much as velocity and surface striking area. If the round is moving fast and the bullet is small in diameter, it’s gonna pop a plate better than a heavier, larger diameter round moving slower.
@@inferninx My point was that AFAIK, FN 5.7 FMJ doesn't really punch through much of anything so I wouldn't expect 4.6 to either. Just look at 55gr 556 FMJ. Similar diameter, similar weight, MUCH faster.
Maybe ;)
Great review as always 👍
Glad i got the level 4
Sabes porque las placas battle steel nivel 3+ tienen 10 años de garantía y las nivel 4 solo 5 años?
As always, great testing.
Did Battle Steel change the design of this plate? The one you're testing has a nylon cover but the one linked seems to have that rhino style coating.
It could be an entirely different plate. I wish they better listed their part #s on their site.
Another well done vid thumbs up.
Thank you!
I have cati 3+steel I wonder how that would do paired with a botach 3a poly backer? Against m855a1 and 20 inch plus barrels hmmmmmm?
I am tempted to test the CATI 3+ again as it was a very viable steel plate
Love your videos......
Thank YOU!
Nice shirt!
Good stuff!
Thanks!
off topic, but with cmmg announcing a 4.6x30 banshee platform with 40rnd mags, I was wondering if you'll be using it in armor tests. 4.6x30 was the mp7 round and we may see it become prominent on the civ market since it's cheaper to manufacture than 5.7.
I highly doubt it’ll be more prevalent than the 5.7 unless it gets widely adopted by the market. It’s literally a spicy .22mag, and you’ll never be able to get the steel core AP ammo that makes it effective. They need to actually make a handgun or two chambered in it for it to be as popular as the 5.7x28, in addition to being adopted into many different weapons platforms. Now, if HK finally gave us what we want, which is a semi auto version, i think it would go a long way to making it much more prevalent In our current market.
@@inferninx I've watched some comparisons and it's much more powerful than 22wmr. As for the market, there has been a good amount of adoption in Europe so i don't see why it couldn't have the same here. Also the case dimensions and treatment process make 4.6 easier to manufacture than 5.7
In theory yes it is easier to manufacturer because the 5.7 needs a lacquer/polymer coating, but it's not like that tech isn't already used for steel case ammo. 5.7 can use the same 5.56 bullets up to 55gr in weight. To answer your question, I've already requested one, and you can betcha I'll dive as deep as I can into reviewing the 4.6
@@jordanhorst6 I mean honestly I don’t see how it can be much more powerful, given case powder volume dimensions and bullet grain weights of both calibers. There’s only so much case space for powder, so they can only push the bullet so hot. Unless they use some super fast burning pistol powder, there’s really not gonna be a huge advantage over a 5.7 or even a .22mag coming out of the same barrel length. There’s a reason why MP7 operators who have actually used it in combat have had best results when they partially magdump a person. It wasn’t designed as a semi auto pistol cartridge, and it’s main purpose Is an smg cartridge with full auto in mind.
But I’m all for adopting another cool cartridge if we can get it for a good price. Again, the limitation is that this is a very controlled weapons platform, so the ammunition is hard to come by and really expensive when you do find it since no one stateside owns an MP7. I doubt one company making a 4.6x30 caliber chambered AR is gonna change that dynamic much.
I'm always curious what us dirty civilians can use. How would a barnes 110gr ttsx pushed to 3350 out of 308 or 130gr ttsx at 3060fps fair against level 3+. Better than M80ball?
Does someone offer those in a factory loading?
Good work
is there any plate that successfully passed all tests?
That’s subjective. My tests are worst case scenario and I do my darn best to make them fail. There have been other level III+ that have stopped m855a1 at 22” barrel velocities.
@@BuffRANGE exactly, did any plate manage to survive it all?
Pease do the battle steel light weight level III plate.
Please send me a link to the one you're looking at.
Mr Matt did the Nij official announced the RF1 , RF2, RF3 configurations ???
If yes can you pliz sow as the rounds that it's level stops in your next video??
Unfortunately NIJ 07 revisions to include HG1, HG2, RF1, RF2, and RF3 are not finalized yet:(
@@BuffRANGE ok ! I don't know what make me think it was finalized....
Thanks for answering my question!
Also nice vid !
@@ΣΑΒΒΑΣΚΟΚΤΣΙΔΗΣ They keep coming close to finalizing, but it is not yet :(
Great testing as always. What do you think of Dayton armor? They have some pretty impressive claims, almost unbelievably so. The one video I saw testing them was sketchy at best, and useless at worst (also sponsored). Ive seen them being talked about but don't have anything hard to pin my doubts to, save for the fact that they are a new company claiming to have tech better than that of decades old companies...
I thought the same thing, unless they have some sort of novel materials, there’s no way!
I keep getting asked to test it, I better contact them.
@@BuffRANGE I'd be willing to donate towards a plate for testing
Thinking about purchasing this for my gf. Would you recommend these?
👏👏
Better then LAPG plates ?
It's really hard to beat the Level III LAPG for performance against threats, but that plate is only single curve and not edge to edge. If you most definitely want to stop M855a1 and M80A1 go with the LAPG. This plate would serve you well for all other III/+ threats.
@@BuffRANGE was thinking of getting the battle steel L4 plates for a PC that lives in the car. So if it gets stolen. No big deal
@@aaronkeener95 Nothing wrong with that. Those plates are solid performers, and not heavy!
Have you ever thought about loading M855A1 into an accelerator sabot?
I tried from 300 WM and they failed miserably. I want to try again in .308 at some point.
Does this have edge to edge ceramic?
Indeed. There is NO foam ring on this plate. Edge to edge coverage.
@@BuffRANGE Very interesting! I might sell my 1155s and get a pair of these
Just sold my 1155s and bought a pair of BS3+MC1012PC5 they had on sale for $100/plate.
They say they are multi-curve and the ones you reviewed here are BS3+MC1012 so I'm guessing they're the same plates. Level IV is nice but I figured since they already protect against m855, the edge-to-edge protection and lighter weight made them the obvious choice.
I walked for 8 hours straight chief lol.
Good!
Just the tip.
You know I should have a shirt made with like M855A1 and M80A1 on it. "Just the tip"
@@BuffRANGE Would Buy 100% 😆
Nice video. So are these recommended for your average Joe against everyday threats? Do you know the part # on this so I can find it on their website?
It will do find against CONUS threats like M855 and M193. Link battlesteel.com/battle-steel-level-3-special-threat-armor-plates-m855-green-tip-protection/?avad=227253_c293422bd
i feel like you really just like to say Poongsan :D hahah
I wonder how DT would say it......
They outlawed the sale of new m855A1, so all we can get it old stock or stuff that was stolen, so you'll never see it sold that way in the states unless laws are changed. You can that Obama for this.
Can you link me to such ruling?
@@BuffRANGE I looked but its hard to find info, it was done back in 2015 when they tried to ban the m855 but failed, whether it was ban or not during that time all of the new M855A1 was taken off the market. All you could get after that is either old/new stock or stolen. It may have been done by executive order and if thats the case then it would take a new POTUS to end the the ban on new EPR ammo.
@@BuffRANGE I would like to purchase some m855a1 if you have any for sale 🥸
@@thealize808 He wrong. Its still being manufactured and sold.
Battle steel? Lol. No mention of the frags in your face and neck from the shots the plate “stopped”. Some people will buy any junk as long as it’s cheap.
This is not a steel plate.
That poor plate never stood a chance R.I.P. 🪦!
I’ll keep my 100 dollar Lvl 3 LAPG plate that stopped all of this and weighs around 3ounces more.
Code Buffman 💪😉!!
Not seen any level 3 stop m855a1
@@fujimi715 Well go back and look up the LA PG level 3 on Buffman’s channel … It stopped it lol.
@@TooManyChoices1 pero solo tienen 5 años de validez, ademas de que ya vienen con 1 o 2 años perdidos, no tienen protección de borde a borde y pesan lo mismo que el nivel 4 de battle steel, en lugar de comprar el nivel III de LAPG mejor compraría el nivel 4 de battle steel, misma duración de años, mismo peso, y mayor protección el nivel 4 ademas de que protege de borde a borde. Saludos