5 Likes vs 5 Dislikes of my 2008 Lexus ISF
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- Опубліковано 9 лип 2024
- Having owned my 2008 Lexus ISF for 3 months now, I've started to get a good understanding of what it's like to live with this car. So today we're going to discuss the 5 likes and 5 dislikes of my "V8 Accord Euro".
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
0:18 Things I Like
2:48 Things I Don't Like
6:20 Outro
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Have been enjoying your ISF content so far! Great review. 2010 Matador ISF owner here: What I've noticed over 2 years of ownership is the transmission takes a little bit of finesse to drive it effectively. When cruising and the car is in 8th gear, press the paddle once and it'll drop from 8th to 6th gear and then I switch to full manual mode and the downshifts come much quicker. Downshifting from 8 to 7 to 6 in full manual mode seems much slower for some reason.
Yes agree that is an option to improve downshift speed
More lexus is f videos please. Just discovered your channel. Keep up the good work
Coming up man!
great review, i own one of these cars so a little insight in the gearbox. Firstly get your gearbox oil changed and reset your adaptations. Secondly when downshifting manually let of the throttle then downshift its quicker! Also your already aware that hi speed shifts occur at high RPM.
Yeah I don't have my foot on the throttle when downshifting. Might need to look at a fluid change
Hey man your videos have inspired me to modify my accord euro I’ve just done a cl7 euro r gearbox swap in it. If your ever in Australia let me know if you wanna come see it
Nice man sounds similar to the mods I did to mine
I was thinking to do review of mine as well and this is pretty much spot on I would have said lol.
Transmission thing is really annoying, especially coming from over 15 manual cars (this is my first automatic ever) and it left me "stranded" in really tricky situations couple of times. You either have to have it in sport and manual to keep it all sharp and cocked (and then it's extremely harsh, especially when it locks TC) or just treat it as average corolla when in normal D. No in between like you said. Apparently, stepping on the throttle fully while pressing the "kickdown" button behind gas pedal will make it drop few gears instantly but most of the time you don't want that much throttle, just responsive and appropriate shifting. Kickdown button has quite a resistance and you really need to step on it. Seen some people have modded the button to be easier to push. Apparantly the remedy for lag when switching to manual mode is to hit the kickdown button and then quickly switch to manual. Haven't tried it much though as I can't get used to it all yet. Plus, I'm affraid I would destroy that fragile plastic shifter gate if I would to start throwing
stick like it was manual lol.
Another annoying thing with transmission (and I never saw anyone mention this) is downshifts. Any form of automatic downshifts it does but especially when you are pulling to a stop and it slams it into 1st gear. Super unnecessary, makes it hard to drive smooth and it causes a lot of unnecessary wear. You would obviously never do that in a manual. It also seems to be dependent on how much brake pressure you apply so every time you realease brake a bit to compensate it actually doesn't downshift as strong so you need to quickly press more brake. When this 2nd to 1st downshift happens in manual mode with torque converter locked, I feel like it will drop tranny on the floor or something.
Then the throttle deadzone... Where when you want to take off smoothly, step on a bit of throttle, nothing happens, then you add a bit more and almost pop a wheelie lol (especially when in sport mode). Wonder if throttle controllers would solve that issues.
Other is, when it's holding a throttle for you. Like you're smoothly cruising behind cars with a bit short distance in between, cars in front of you start slowing down a bit.. Slight release of throttle and engine breaking would be more than enoguh in this case but when I release throttle completely it just keeps going under almost same throttle and is keeping that speed. You can clearly see it if you are monitoring throttle opening, injection and other parameters but can also easily see it with current consumption screen. Sometimes in those situations I try to compensate by hitting downshift pedal (while in D) and downshifting to slow it down so I don't have to tap the brake every few sec... But what happens then is that it will engine break just for that brief moment while it's changing gear and then it just continues holding same throttle. Then other times, in same scenario it would shut off injectors and start engine breaking quite violently. Very annoying and unpredictable.
Another is very strong creep, especially at night with lights on when the idle raises. It's not as bad with lights off when it idles around 500rpm. So in traffic jams here I constantly have to ride the brakes as traffic is moving slower than my creep speed. I find it very hard to drive smoothly in traffic jam situations due to these reasons above. All of this is very easily noticable at slow speeds you normally see in Japan. Might not be as bad if elsewhere, where average speeds are a bit more normal.
Also surprised nobody mentiones reversed shift logic, as in, pull to downshift, push to upshift. No performace vehicle ever has it this way. This one is easy to reverse though and it's like first thing I did on mine, the very first day I bought it (need to swap position of 2 wires on shifter connector). I know most of people use paddles but I actually prefer using stick and on road / course with a lot of tight turns, you have to. Not to mention drift.
I could write more but it's getting a bit of a long read for youtube.
Yeah agree
The things you mentioned about the throttle are symptoms of a dirty throttle body. Give it a clean and the aforementioned issues will go away. I had the issues and now they are fixed.
Good points! :) Basically the same as i felt about mine :)
haha that's good
That gearbox quirk is something that would eventually get to me after so long
Yeah I guess you just learn to live with ir
Cool to see car videos made in Wellington!
How many ks do you get to a fuel tank in real world use? Looking at getting an ISF, I had a C55 AMG which would barely get 300ks to a 60 litre tank around town.
Also you can turn off the ETC message in Japanese in the settings
Yeah need to figure out how to get rid of that. So annoying. I get just over 400km to a tank on about 55L of fuel. So a bit better but still not amazing. My old Accord would get nearly 800km if I pushed it
I bought a 2010 ISF earlier this year. My biggest complaint is that the seat does not get as low as i would like. I have to lean the seat back to fit with a helmet and in normal driving the rearview blocks some of my view looking across the car. The factory tire sizes are pretty small for such a heavy and powerful car. a set of new wheels with 295 square tires really solved that problem. I hear RCF seats sit lower but they aren't cheap.
Also why these cars were ever sold with an open diff is beyond me. I had to get a 2010+ for that alone.
I'm ok with open diff, still goes sideways very easily and open diff cars tend to be snappy I find. And agree would be nice if the seat went lower
What kind or brand of gearbox is on it? With some cars it is possible to tune the gearbox as well. If its possible you can really change the character of your gearchanges etcetera. Could be very interesting for you to look into! It could be a nice upgrade. Hope it is possible. Btw I love all your honda content. I really enjoyed al lot of your reviews. I love the vtec experience. I have to do it with lift from the 2zzge (celica t sport) toyota which is also a very nice car to drive and a grat engine. Chears!
Thanks man and it's a Toyota designed gearbox. Not sure if there are any tuning options available for it
Love your videos, what suspension is on your F?
Thanks man! It's got lowering springs. Don't know what brand
Rear view mirror being a "fancy" auto dim, I've found with mine really annoying driving at night with cars behind. The high stop light is at the height where it blocks the bright lights from the car behind to the rear view mirror auto dim sensor, so basically there is almost no such thing as dim 😂
I dunno I find mine works well
Hi, late to the comment party :) Ive had my ISF for 4.5 years and driven 43’000km, mine is also 2008. For me there are only two annoying things, transmission in comfort mode and the fact that you cannot lower the back seats. Otherwise absolutely love the car and do not plan to sell it. 7 months ago bought also C63 w204 wagon with long tube headers and full custom exhaust, but I can say ISF is till my favorite, and I do prefer the sound of ISF with addictive induction sound.
Yeah agree it's got its issues but overall still a great car that holds its value well and is really reliable
For a young fella like yourself, your taste in cars is interesting. I'm a fan of the oddball stuff and it appears so too are you. I've been curious after seeing that you've driven both the W8 and the Legend with the J series v-tec. If the w8 were an auto what would likely be your preference?
I think the appeal of that particular W8 was that it was manual. But if it was an auto comparison I’d have to take the Legend, purely from a reliability perspective
stick language LOL!
electric seats are so good. Im glad my Lib GT has 2 seat memory settings, one for myself and wife. The great thing esp when going on track, lowering the seat for helmet clearance. I'm only 5'9 and my helmet just clears!
Yeah it's handy aye
Regarding the car speaking Japanese, you are able to disable the voice prompts in the navigation screen settings, as well as adjust other related volume settings. (My Fuga 450GT also had similar voice prompts but I know Japanese and was able to disable them)
Might require a friend who knows Japanese or Google Translate, and doesn't help with the screen being otherwise not very useful, but it is possible!
Yeah have since done that
My TSX has a boot lockout switch in the glove compartment, is that possibly the case? My friend's TL doesn't have a boot latch on the exterior whatsoever though lol
Nah with this it's keyless entry so you have to have the key nearby the boot even when it's unlocked. Sometimes the car will be unlocked and I won't have my key on me and I'll have to walk round do the drivers door and push the button. Annoying
you can open the trunk by pushing the button on the trunk it will unlock it takes 2 seconds. Of course with keys in your pocket the other two options is from driver side and on the key.
Yeah that’s exactly my point you have to have the key in your pocket to open the boot with the button on the boot. Like if it was in your garage and you had the keys in the lounge you couldn’t open the boot. Very annoying
I think you can even change the language of the menu. Maybe use something like google translate to guide you through the stick language :D
Regarding the gearbox, i noticed that it is more sluggish and slow if you dont smack it in manual mode with the shift lever and just pull the paddles. It also needs to be up to temp to work properly and lock the torque converter all the time. Just cruising around its nice and smooth and under wot and high revs it feels fast and aggressive, so i can forgive the old slushbox its sluggishness :D
Great videos btw 👍
Nah you definitely can't change the language I know that, and throughout that entire section (apart from the bit where I said it was nice and smooth in D) I was in manual. The transmission just simply isn't as refined as say a ZF8 or DSG
@@KiwiCarLife hmm ok must be because its the jdm version or something like that. Mine was set in english and i changed it to german, so i thought it should work on your car as too. Well, learn some japanese then 😄
@@KiwiCarLife Its probably because its an 08. I just imported a 2012 ISF to europe and I could change it from japanese to english. But my buttons are also english
Beautiful car!!!
Cheers man!
Decided to get an F10 M5 because of your reaction to it while driving
HAHA good idea
I heard a throttle controller is a really cheap and very effective mod on these. Perhaps install one and give a review. Have heard only good things. I've installed a Cusco lsd in mine which was necessary as I couldn't get out of my driveway in the rain with the open diff as mine is an early 09.
I find the throttle response razor sharp in sport mode so I don't feel they need a tc
The accelerator pedal has a kickdown switch. After flooring the pedal, pushing harder against a spring loaded switch will force the car to kickdown to lowest gear possible faster.
Yes well aware, that only works in D, not in manual
Trunk can be opened without the key( why would they put a button on the trunk), there may be a small black button in the glovebox, push it and you can open the trunk. Same happend to my 250, went to the dealer and was ready in 2 minutes!
Oh true will have to give that a try
Just bought an ISF this past weekend in Canada. 25k CAD for a 2008 with 177k km. Loving it so far but the 8th gear acceleration is something I already dislike, just gotta drop a gear and disappear 😂
Haha yeah definitely
Anyway to get the transmission tuned?
Hmm not sure might need to look into it
Thought about getting one of these but settled on a facelift E63 m6. I don't really like the transmission on that either but it is amazing at full tit.
Will eventually manual swap it and convert it to nbt Idrive to sort the only 2 things that annoy me about it. You may be able to do something similar with your ISF.
Yeah possibly. Those M6's are so awesome man
There’s nothing not to like if you’re driving normally just put it in Drive. If you know you’re going to drive at full tilt then you drive it manually it’s really that simple people are making stupid complaints.
Im on the look for a isf
Hi on the look for a isf, I’m dad
AHHAAHAHAHAHA
2nd dream car if I could get my hands on one. One problem compared to the m3. My mates got one and his words...it keeps breaking down evertime I drive it..Guess what..he sold it. Great choice.
Hahaha yeah that's the trouble with the m3 aye...
I've always loved mark levinson
Mmm yeah sounds so good
Silvear Accord drives next to you @2:09 , coincidence? 😁
Hahah
Can the transmission be improved with ECU mapping or a software upgrade?
Don't think so
@KiwiCarLife Surprisingly, I've got an TSX thats turning into a track toy, and I'm looking for an ISF as a daily cruiser.
So suddenly what was disinteresting, became interesting now with the ISF content ;)
2:09 a ghost suddenly appeared back stage 🤪
My word literally like 10 people have noticed that car hahaha
2:09 Accord passing by 😊
Yes haha
Im deciding in one 2011 53k miles on it for 37k car is like new inside is clean no rips or teared seats outside blue paint is like new everything stock ... to expensive??? either that or the new Nissan Z400 manual 🙆♂
Doesn't sound too bad? I paid 29k for mine
i picked up a 2009 sp25 mazda 3 hatch and it takes 14.8L/100kms and that fuel consumption is rubbish and aswell i cant open my boot unless the cars in park
Haha yeahh that's annoying aye. And daaang 14.8! That's as bad as my ISF with double the displacement!
had to pause and double check that wasnt earl the accord at 2:10 haha
Hahah similar! Erl is in Auckland so definitely won't see it around where I am
Was watching Ross reviews video on one earlier
Oh classic yeah he makes some good content
Did you import it from Japan? they are so dear in Australia
Already here. And yeah in aus these are way overpriced. Bought mine for 29k
@@KiwiCarLife Bargain! 29k include shipping?
@@richardx4456 nah the car was imported in 2018, I bought it 4 months ago so it's been here a while. Drove up to Auckland to get it so no shipping
Could the gearbox issue be fixed or are you stuck with it?
Might look at a fluid change, but frankly it's just not as refined as the germans
It can be fixed. Drive it in manual mode.
@@sdlausen1 I was driving in manual the entire video
@@KiwiCarLife yeah. Something isn't right
@@sdlausen1 this is the 2nd isf I've driven and they were both like this
HAHAHA at 4:31, everyone one of us who don't understand Japanese be like. Also I was reading through the comments of this video and there were some people saying Erl was present at 2:09, while it may look similar they didn't notice that it did not have a spoiler.
Haha yeah soooo many people saw that silver cl9 lol
At 2:10 it looked like your old Accord driving past.
Haha you're the third person to notice lol! Similar for sure
Honestly isn't not at all a simple v8 like say a Merc m113 5.0 v8, but it's executed in a near perfect way where it's as reliable as gets.
Well I mean it's not like needlessly complicated. Fairly undertuned too
I agree it’s not a simple engine it very precisely engineered and developed with Toyota and Yamaha
Hi there, new to the KiwiCarLife channel.
Currently have a 2003 cayenne 3.2 automatic… it’s dreadful… it’s called a “porsche” and it’s as slow as my old Yaris… only makes lot’s of noise scaring the birds and burns fuel like I own a fas station…
Can’t do any maintenance by myaelf without a computer or some exotic tool….
Bought it because I’ve got 3 kids…
So… my question: what car should i buy? I want a car that has charisma/sex appeal (to make me actually want to drive) I need 3 REAL individual seats in the back and it MUST NOT be a van (I’d rather pull my kids with a carriage “chinese taxi style”)
Please help!!!!
Honda Accord V6:
www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/cars/honda/accord/listing/3826203058
Nissan Skyline 350/370GT:
www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/cars/nissan/skyline/listing/3837695896
Lexus IS350:
www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/cars/lexus/is-350/listing/3852059219
BMW 535i:
www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/cars/bmw/535i/listing/3811541161
Is your Lexus lowered ?
Yeah sure is
I think it's a major job to change out the starter motor on the V8,and it still has a cambelt.Sounds cool though.
Not sure on the starter but the UR family is definitely cam chain
@@KiwiCarLife You're right.Must've been the earlier V8 engines.The only issues mentioned are the valley plate,water pump leaks, and oil leaks that show up around 130,000K.
She sounds so calming I wouldn't disconnect her voice, only option is a ' doll ' in the passenger seat. Lol
Hahah
accord chassis setup is loos as crap, especially the front end. When you put thick rsb, fender bracing and strut tower bracing than it behaves as you are describing lexus. Dont know why honda did that to cl9 when tsx had some things done from factory to make it a bit bearable for sporty driving.
Yeah true
@@KiwiCarLife one guy had bc coils on his cl9 and was thinking that he has done IT.
Than he test drive my car with fender bracing, rsb, front strut bracing at that moment I had 16inch wheels and stock spring. He went out of the car, looked at his car and said "I want to burn it". Was in disbelief how much better my setup handled and felt more solid vs his while being on stock suspension and 205 55 16 wheels.
Some months later he parted out cl9, returned it to stock , sold it and got e92 330i.
@4:27 push the button on the far left and the voice will turn off.
Cheers have done that, still does the ETC card voice though
are you considering sell it sir'
Yeah will be selling shortly. You wanna buy it?
@@KiwiCarLife yeah mate interested buying one,any personal contact for us to talk?
@@KiwiCarLife I am currently overseas will be back NZ in 2 weeks may be an email address will be better
@@banan7633 all good, liamkendrew@gmail.com
If the car let you open the boot with the key in the cabin anyone else could come up from behind, open it up and take whatever was inside... Now that would be even stupider
Nah every car I've owned has let me open the boot if the car was unlocked. This one because it's keyless has to detect the key near the boot to open regardless if it's unlocked or locked. I'd rather have it my way. I don't even keep anything in my boot anyway so there'd be nothing for them to steal haha
@@KiwiCarLife oh right you've literally only had non keyless until now hey. Idk mate I'm not comfortable with someone being able to open my boot even if there was nothing inside. That's some massive trolling potential lol
@@EugenernatorVideos fair enough. I get it, but personally I'd rather have convenience
@@KiwiCarLife key is always on my person even whilst driving ;)
CL7 would be way better right ? Can’t beat Honda
Nah the ISF is a totally different beast to a Euro R
I recommend u try the skyline 350gt sedan g35)
Yup I might be buying a project 370GT so will definitely get one featuring on the channel soon
i loled at stick language
HAHAH was a bit of a risky comment... not something I'd normally say lol
Kiwi
Yes
You can turn off the lady talking in the menu options
Oh true? Need to figure that out haha
@@KiwiCarLife as Elliot mentioned. There should be a volume slider option. My JZX110 has an option for it and the interface is or more less the same. Should be a speaker icon
@@KiwiCarLife The menu at 4:26 is literally the options to select the volume of the lady, where "消音" is to mute it altogether. (But for me there's nothing more JDM than the ETC talking when you start the car so I would leave it on 🤣)
The first thing I love about it is the v8 engine... The first thing I dislike about it is the v8 engine... 😂
HAHAHAHA yeah basically ayew
2:10 you got gapped by your old accord 😂
HAHA lol
2m10 sec, you see an accord passing … surely you smoked him 😎
HAHA literally everyone has noticed that
What things I like with the Hyundai Tucson is the comfort
Yeah for sure they are nice
Time to learn Japanese
Haha yeah or get the stereo recoded
If your a Honda guy why buy this V8 Toyota product ?
Go get a Acura 😂😂
What’s Acura? We don’t have that in NZ
Acura is only sold in the states..
@@hobo1704 I know haha this guy has been ripping into me saying Toyotas are much better than Honda in my comments section for ages. Just being a dick back haha
Damn! Wish this was in Aus! How much does this go for in NZ?
You can buy one in Australia there’s probably like 20 for sale on car sales and they are awesome for here haha I have a RCF
Yeah aus doesn't get jdm imports though so they very few they have for sale are all very expensive
I have a GS460 ( only 342hp mind 🥲) with the same gearbox and I have that delay. I think it's a Lexus thing.
I have to try out a GSF to be sure. I wonder how the LC500 gets on with 10 gears
Yeah seems as though all the lexus transmissions have similar characteristics
@@KiwiCarLife Good video, look into if GROM Vline 2 will be compatible with a JDM car.
I run one in my car, it brings the infotainment system up to date while keeping looking OEM