Not only does she need to sign a paper saying that she can't sue, she needs help before she can take that baby home. Edit: Omg thanks for all the likes.
you better don't go there after one of your doctors violated ethical rules for no reason. Also, the signature may not hold in court as it will be done under extreme duress (not being able to keep the baby).
@@jaimeduncan6167But why should the hospital suffer from her dumbass decisions. I understand ethically speaking they did violate a rule. However the doctors were trying to do was something that woman should have been doing the entire time making sure the baby was healthy and getting the actual nutritions the baby needed to live. I know pregnancy hormones can be out of whack, but this wasn’t hormones at that point this was straight up delusional thinking and she does need help. I mean the husband mentioned that she always had anxiety and control issues. Judging by the way she behaves she probably never got Therapy at least from the parts shown in this video.
A family friend just lost her baby at almost full term because she had severe body dysmorphia and barely ate, resulting in the baby being born at 3 pounds. So heartbreaking.
that's like... what, 1/3rd of what is needed for a NORMAL adult that is NOT pregnant. If you have to then ALSO support the development and eventual feeding of a fetus.... yikes.
Doesn't it remind you of other people in the real world? People who did their "research" on the internet on a specific medical issue that we just went through?
@@Gib01 I agree with this but you also have to remember even if the facts are what they are people choose not to follow factual guidelines. Its just how people work and nobody can force anything upon them if they choose to follow a pseudo-scientific route.
she thinks she's not. She thinks she's protecting it and that doctors don't know much because that's what an alternative medicine practitioner has led her to believe
My cousin was doing the same thing to her baby, only feeding her apple juice and barely enough formula. But it wasn't for health reasons. She said she didn't want to have a fat baby. Thank God the state took her into custody. Pretty sure my cousin is still in jail.
The thing that horrifies me is even if this baby managed to survive infancy, they would be malnourished and would likely end up growing up with an eating disorder with a mother who had this level of paranoia and restriction around food. That's assuming she didn't lose custody all together when someone reported her for neglect due to starving her child.
I wonder why the midwife didn’t tell her to eat more, eat better, to take vitamins, that she and her baby were in danger? Couldn’t the midwife tell that the baby wasn’t developing correctly, even without a sonogram?(There are nurses who are also midwives as well, but every state has different requirements to be licensed, there are schools and graduate programs to become a midwife). I wonder about the development of the baby, low birthweight, what neurological, developmental, and physical issues the baby could have that could impact walking, coordination, talking, speaking, learning, vision, hearing…. If she has the baby at home and there are complications during the birth, what then? After the baby is born, what if she develops worse heart issues or other health issues and what if the baby needs medical attention? I sadly have a feeling that she won’t see an actual physician or cardiologist or other specialists later on to see about the other medical issues she has or could develop later on or take her the baby to see an actual pediatrician for checkups and if need be specialists like occupational, physical, and speech therapists or if the child has developmental, learning, and behavior issues.
@@hannahwig im sure she had different midwifes and kept pushing them away until she found one who cared more about money on her pocket than baby's safiety.
It will be a vegetable is this low IQ excuse for the mother will start to feed the baby with vegan diet. There is something wrong with the law if it allows pregnant woman to starve her own baby in her womb. (She has money, support system, access to healthcare etc). Just because the baby is on wrong side of the womb does not give her right to kill her own baby. At 8 months a baby can survive outside. If it was a newborn than a woman faces jail time. But because the kid is inside her, none can do anything. Also why the father is not considered into the equation in such cases. The woman is clearly demented and cannot make logical rational decision. It is not like she prefers Chinese food over Italian or something, she is starving her baby.
Today, nobody’s pure. Not physically, mentally, emotionally or medically. Everyone’s impure in one way or another. You have diabetes, heart disease, cancer, an eating disorder, tuberculosis, soft bones, brittle skin, deafness, tooth decay, etc. We live in a world where people can be fine in one moment and go loony in another.
@@royalrenegade788this case specifically has clear anxiety disorder symptoms. She’s not avoiding eating because of body dystrophies, she’s doing it because she’s anxious about her and her baby’s well being to an irrational degree
@@toffeefeathers It aligns with orthorexia, which is the unhealthy obsession of “healthy” living. She wants to be in control, in this case it isn’t necessarily body shape but it is physical health. Anxiety plays a role in it, but this is a classic presentation of an ED
I was at my worst with my ED when I got pregnant… I didn’t believe I could get pregnant. And the day I found out, I started eating again. I’m very grateful that I was able to put the baby before those thoughts… this is heart wrenching
Same- I barely ate and was obsessed with my weight. But as soon as I got pregnant I started to eat healthy and made sure my baby would get the food to grow.
My son saved mine too, but from alcoholism. Not an ED by any means but I’m happy to say he helped me turn everything around. He’s 5 months old almost 6 and started solids.
@@samg873 thankfully you went to a real doctor and not a nutritionist! Nutritionists don’t have to have any actual qualifications and are more often than not scammy
@@samg873 yes! Anyone can use it. They’re certainly not all bad but a lot of them are A dietitian is an actual title that requires a certain amount of education
There's a difference between being "confused" and being willfully ignorant. This woman will do anything (nutritionist, midwife) except listen to a doc.
There is also a difference between being willfully ignorant, and being delusional. She truly believed she was doing what was best for her and her baby. It's scary, but mental illness can do that to a person. It's the same way people will jump off buildings believing they can fly, nowhere in our society do we give any incling to that being possible, yet people will believe it when they are ill.
I was poisoned by a doctor and given incorrect antibiotics which caused me to need to go to the ER for a full week.. some nurses gir incorrect medications that are fatal... Some people are scared to trust doctors bc of personal experience... Is that a mental disorder ?
@@macie8571 Dr's/nurses do make mistakes, it's not like they poisoned u on purpose and to distrust all Dr's bc of one experience is stupid. And her character never mentioned an experience like that, even her husband stated that she's always been off like that and it just got worse when she became pregnant.
I feel bad for the child, especially at the end when she asked what were they putting in him. You know she will control that child's food till they are 18 and can get away from their mom.
Orr seeing her premature child with tubes manually feeding him may have given the mom a wake up call. She may not force her eating disorder on her child out of a newfound understanding.
@@alphaartistmsp2433 while a clear viable thing that can happen you’d be amazed the amount of people who don’t realize what they’re doing, there have been cases of moms hearing that and freaking out because they’re trying to kill their baby with that stuff. Human stupidity never ceases to simultaneously amaze and disappoint me.
Any parent who starts enforcing THEIR lifestyles onto a kid who really has no choice but to go along should really never be parents in the first place. They're the types who would rather kill their child than admit their beliefs aren't for correct.
Last scene, she didn't ask if the baby is gonna live, just asking what are they putting in him. She didn't learn her lesson, she doesn't care about health, she only cares what's "toxic"
It’s sad that this mother had to physically watch her baby in tubes and IVs getting the proper nutrition in order for her to see what she was doing is harming her baby 😞
Except she didnt see that. She saw people giving her baby things she didnt approve of. Hence the question about what the baby was getting. The mom's mental state wasn't fixed by the c-section.
@@jenniferromero571 Oh, God, the number of people who try to self-diagnose over the internet without realizing that almost all of these medical sites are written by the insurance companies...
@@DigiDestined13 I feel like those medical sites being written by insurance companies isn't the problem- the problem is people who use those sites and when their symptoms point to (for the sake of this example) cancer they accept it's cancer, tell people they have cancer, but make zero attempts to see a doctor about their "cancer". Those websites can be useful but you still gotta go see professionals to confirm things.
What's worse is even after almost loosing her child she asked what they were putting in him. Which only shows how constricted he's going to be growing up, and how his life would of been depleted by having a mother who was so anxious and incompetent
Patient clearly has an eating disorder, but because she pretends to be "health conscious" they act like she's just overly concerned for the baby? such bullshit
I bet House would have just gotten her a catalog for 'Baby caskets' and said: ''This is the next best advise I can give you. In this case, I bet you can get a really good '2 for 1' deal when both of you dies...''
My mom would do that with all my female doctors, and I lost several of them. She would argue based on something she read on Facebook or on a blog; I was absolutely humiliated and exhausted. I told her straight up, "I'm not gonna have that because I don't want to lose a doctor." It was a miracle she listened.
The stuff in the IV bag that Manning tried to give her contained glucose and amino acids aka the broken down components of carbohydrates and proteins. She was just worried because it looked scary because it was in a bag and not a whole food.
I have nothing against people's view but to force it upon a child who is not strong enough and needs other things is just wrong. Let them decide later on in life it that's what they want.
@@imadone Yes exactly!! I can't believe the show didn't even address her obvious eating disorder. No adult thinks 800 calories a day is ok during pregnancy. (Or at all, unless one is on a special diet under close doctor supervision)
Yes very dangerous I battle with Ed and had to force myself to eat for my son. Sometimes I still have 2 and I only have a few weeks left. And in anxiety u get from seeing/hearing about baby's that were harmed or died do to bad food and it makes it so much worse.
As someone in the medical field, this is so real and very frustrating. Unfortunately it is the patient’s call on any sort of procedures, so sometimes you do have to just sit and watch as they get worse. All you can do is provide them with the education. Whether they agree to follow through is ultimately up to them
@Mike Sixx It's because of the state of the world. With a rising distrust in news, politics, religion, schooling, police officers, doctors, and fire fighters. People in this day and age don't trust authority figures because all we see of them is being either corrupt or unable to do their job.
As a pregnant momma who struggles with ED’s I am so glad I am able to force myself to eat well for my baby. It may not be the healthiest foods but I take my vitamins and she is healthy at 27 weeks 💕
@Xyz Xyz ED can come and go also the important thing is this person is conscious of what they have and are doing the best for herself and the baby in her belly I have ED too
@Xyz Xyz could have been an accident, or they could have gained it while pregnant. Especially with hormones running rampant, pregnant women can have a hard time eating because their senses are exponential. But I don't know their situation, ED can come from anything really or nothing. My ED came from anxiety 🤷♀️
While not included in the DSM, orthotexia is a regularly diagnosed "unspecified feeding or eating disorder," and is characterized by an extreme and dangerous obsession with conventionally "healthy" eating. It is serious, especially when it interferes with certain special nutritional requirements characteristic of pregnancy.
@@GraceyManorsyup but knowing how the mother was acting, she would’ve tried to sue them for not helping her, at least in the way she was “ helping “ her baby.
There is something like that called an AMA form that patients sign when they are leaving the hospital against medical advice (AMA). Basically, by signing it, the patient acknowledges that they understand the risks and potential complications of not receiving treatment and desire to continue without treatment.
These episodes that deal with patients who don’t like modern medicine and chose alternatives are very relevant. I love how they focus on real issues and do them well.
The patient clearly has orthorexia. Her unusual fear and paralysis of “impure food”, only eating 800 calories a day, it’s very blatantly a mental health issue and extreme health anxiety. I wouldn’t actually quality her in the “crazy alternative” realm, since organic fresh produce with low red meat intake isn’t an insane stance to have. Im vegetarian myself and prefer fresh produce over more processed foods, but the borderline is the obsession and anxiety around the food, alongside restriction and improper management of intake.
When I was pregnant with my oldest daughter. I wasn't gaining much weight for the 1st 6 months and I was honestly terrified she was gonna come out very underweight. I managed to gained 30lbs within the last 3 months and she came out healthy. To see a mother only take in so little when pregnant thinking she's helping the baby is actually pretty heartbreaking
Genuinely, I'd be having regular visits from CPS or something to make sure the kids actually gaining weight, at least for a few months. No threats, just weigh ins.
I feel like there should be a mental disorder on vegans. I got a vegetarian cousin we get along fine how I’ve done plenty of people vegetarian. Vegans I can never associate or be friends with them. Such as I need to guys are used to work with not that I would bother even mentioning them. Those two were the definition of vegan psychos. Interestingly enough one of them will talk about conspiracy theories of how sugar is made along with many other crazy outrageous BS, conspiracy garbage. The other one was not only just vegan, but he was always showing up late for work and oh yes, to make it even interesting he actually was doing heroin. The problem with these people is that they exist to literally going cause harm to businesses and themselves, especially when they’re about to have children. I’d like to see them go to a village in Africa and tell them they got a start eating their way, then getting chased out.
The proof is literally the baby itself!!! she's supposed to be 8 months pregnant but her baby's size and growth is that of a 5 month old... The fact she ended up in the E.R and her body is practically failing due to being malnourished. I know this is a show but damn the anxiety 😭
This is why mothers always always always have to go to ultrasound. If she would see how small her baby is she would know soon enough that something is wrong (maybe it wouldn't change much but at least someone would already start to push on her getting better nutrition). Even better mothers can have complications. My baby niece was doing great and then on 28th week they found on ultrasound too low flow in umbilical cord. They tried to fix it with magnesium, but after week at the hospital she had to go on C-section anyway (on last ultrasound she was barely moving even with glucose directly delivered through her mom's veins. And her stomach started to be a little bit too small). So born on 29th week. Long story short it saved her life. She had to overcome some complications but she is now almost 3 months old and at home. (and that's central Europe, by the way. In richer countries the chances of recovering are even better I assume)
I had hyperemesis gravidarum (extreme morning sickness) during my pregnancy and could barely keep anything down for days at a time because of it, but i would still force myself to try to eat for myself & my baby. thankfully we’re both healthy and happy now ♥️
The thing that worries me the most about the situation is that she is 100% not going to change once the kid is older. She is going to starve that child their entire life and give them a very unhealthy relationship with food.
There is no way this woman would be allowed to harm her baby like this in real life. It's odd this sloppy writing exists in the same fictional universe as Law & Order and Homicide LOTS
@@diosoth actually it can and does. Its a result of my body my choice, the baby isn't a life yet legally in some states like California and New York. It's not just about what a law says but how it can be interpretted.
@@breecegriffith5896 yes but that would compromise the situation. If she got defensive she’d be less likely to listen to reason and wouldn’t feel like she was safe to agree to anything
That mother was almost me. I was very depressed while pregnant, became paranoid and developed the delusion that any doctor or healthcare worker was going to take my baby from me, or horrifically hurt us. So naturally with that fear I avoided prenatal care until I was 28weeks along. After telling my mom I was going to do an unassisted birth, my family helped me find a midwife I could trust, and I had a homebirth. Thank God I had an amazing midwife because I ended up hemorrhaging pretty bad. I was very fortunate that my son and I were healthy. I didn't receive mental health care until many months after. Now 6 years later and much professional help, I can see how I put us both in danger and how unwell I was. This is a very real topic. I know for me in the thick of it I truly couldn't understand what I was doing was dangerous, I absolutely believed I was doing what was best for my son and I.
I know I’m late, but wow I’m so sorry:( I can’t imagine the overwhelming fear. So glad for you that you got help though and congratulations on your healthy baby 💗
@@fabplays6559 - Any less than the recommended amount is not a good thing for mother or child! Malnutrition is a serious health risk that affects many people who need to get more than a handful of food in them.
This reminded me of the real couple who were vegan and made their Infant vegan. Unfortunately the infant passed away due to malnutrition and the parents got life in prison. Very tragic.
@@ayajade6683 Nope. Actually the American Academy of nutrition and dietetics says a vegan diet is fine for all ages. A well planned one. You can't feed your kid just almond milk.
Thing is, as someone with anxiety, I can empathize with her fears, but it's so scary that it can turn that bad for someone that it affects their own health. Mental health is no joke
Yeah i remember myself when i was pregnant and also postpartum… anxiety through the roof. Felt bad for the patient, her boyfriend should have set her straight. My husband protected me from my thoughts
@@simsandwins8998 I've heard terrible things about postpartum depression and such. I'm happy your husband was there to help you get through it. I wish you and your family the best!
Honestly the conflict this woman has, to be so terrified of potentially contaminated food is very interesting. I can see this being a potential issue in the future.
the thing is thats not even what farm to table is about farm to table is about eating food at its freshest for flavour and some minor nutrient benefits its no guarentee that theres no growth hormone or antibiotics or pesticides your eating also it doesent even mean that the food goes direct from the farmers tractor to your table because most meat gets slaughtered at a slaughter house so theres a step and unless you driving your ass into the country every week your foods stopping off at a distrobution hub before it heads to whole foods
That is wrong. You only need to eat at most an extra 300 calories a day at the end from what I remember. It's not a full human like you are and does not need nearly as much as you do.
A grown woman should be taking in 2500 calories a day, her being on 700-800 is anorexic status , and when pregnant the above comment is correct you only need to increase your diet by s few hundred calories to support the baby, women think eating for two is doubling your calorie intake but that can lead to extreme weight gain, gestational diabetes , fluid retention, diet is so important when pregnant
In situations like these, the parents need help and education. And if that doesn't work you have to ask if the child will really be safe with the parents while they have this mindset
I can't believe what she did was starving her unborn baby, and she was afraid of the ivy nutrition that would've helped her baby grow before it was born
When I was a young teen, I babysat for a little one that a chiropractic "doctor" and his wife had. They measured each ounce she took in and she was like a little skeleton. As the mother had been chubby as a teen, they were determined their daughter would not get fat. I was instructed not to feed her anything but rice milk, cut up veggies and such. Here's the irony - 35 years later, said child is pudgy and looks happy! Oh,and the dad died at the age of 59. Just saying....I think you should feed and love on babies lavishly. Not sweets, but good nutrition and you cannot spoil a child by holding them, singing to them, etc.
Please don't mock the dad's profession, when it is those parents mental disorders that effected the care of their child. No chiropractic school, which is an actual school like med school, will teach that in health class. I work for one, and he teaches balanced proper nutrition and active fitness is how to be healthy, not teaching a kid to have eating disorders and body issues.
@@ayajade6683 actually, it requires a pre- med degree. Also extensive education in the health am function of the muscles, nervous system and skeletal system. It seems to me you met one of the ones who is just weird and practices improperly. Especially with he and his wife teaching their child how o have eating disorders.
@@heathercontois4501 i hear you, and let me open by saying I've seen a chiro numerous times who is fantastic, educated, and respectable. However. The stigma against chiropractors doesnt come from nowhere. I knew one who claimed he could treat ADHD with periodic sessions involving a little drum set connected to an interactive video. It's been a while, but I think I heard him claim a couple times that after enough sessions, symptoms wouldn't return. Gullible people paid to have their child tap a plastic drum at the direction of a tv screen, so well persuaded they didnt realize the absurdity of the idea that playing, essentially, super slow guitar hero at most once a week was going to treat a mental disorder that is typically handled by pills you can tell the day of whether you took or not. So, I think I understood OP's quotes around doctor. Chiros are chiros, not doctors. They're very good at what they do, but they shouldn't veer out of that lane, regardless of whether the temptation to do so might be ego or greed. The end result is bad for everyone.
@@sapphireriddles6692 Chiropractors are in the medical system as Doctors of Chiropractic-like every other kind of specialty. I do fully follow that they can have the same quacks and crazy practitioners as every other medical profession. It's just that with it being a specialty, it makes the stigma against it worse.
Those doctors are extremely patient and caring. If it was up to me I'd let her do as she pleases and let the guilt destroy her and her husband when the baby eventually dies. Guess that's why I'm not a doctor. 😕
She was pregnant most of the first season so I was seriously wondering why she didn’t try to use her own experiences sooner to try to get the patient on her side
I understand the anxiety while pregnant. I had a completely healthy pregnancy with no issues or even family history of issues, but every single time I used to the bathroom I checked to make sure I wasn’t bleeding. I was terrified to the point of sweating at every appointment that they were gonna tell me they couldn’t find a heartbeat and I was going to have to deliver my dead baby. It was crippling. But, you cannot let your own fears take over. You have to be strong you have to be smart. It’s not about what you feel like doing anymore. It’s about doing what you have to do to protect the life and mind of your baby.
As someone who suffered from ED and is pregnant and got HG and food aversions and acid reflux so bad my throat bleeds daily, I get the struggles of eating and giving proper nutrients to my baby. When I had my 20 week scan and was told he was on the small side, I pushed down all my worries about food and pushed myself to eat for my baby and he doubled in size in ten weeks. He’s perfectly healthy now and the perfect size for 37 weeks. I released a month ago and stopped eating again and ended up in hospital cos I was putting strain on baby and my body cos I wasn’t eating and drinking enough but I’m lucky my body fat kept him alive. I’ve lost more weight than I’ve gained and still under my pre pregnancy weight but thankfully baby is perfectly healthy and reaching the right weight and milestones
If I had a partner who ended up starving our unborn baby to death, refusing to listen to the doctor, science and common sense I would leave her. And if the baby somehow survived I would still leave her and take full custody until she got the help she needed.
I dont get why didnt they just outright tell her that her baby is being starved to death since she already knows that her 8 month pregnancy is the size of a 5 month pregnancy
The fact that this woman thinks she knows more than the doctors is very annoying but she doesn't have to starve her baby to death ☹she really needs help
… a lot of stuff is wrong here. - should have done a psych eval - not broken patient trust or violated patient wishes (despite it being a good idea, objectively) - spoken with hospital nutritionist or anyone in OBGYN to convince her almost every episode there’s some egregious error that would result in loss of license.
@@bruh9977 yes, it’s a show, but if they’re gonna talk about and show things that are as common as instances like this, they can at least try to make it more accurate. The comment’s right, EVERYTHING there should have been done/not been done
@@averymoreland3081 Exactly, especially since this show has a psychiatrist as one of the main recurring characters. Why not bring him and at least do an eval?
Well, it happened to me and nobody lost any license. I was straight delusional and paranoid, but I was treated like I was perfectly mentally healthy and allowed to keep on doing what I was doing. The only person who kinda tried to help was my mom. She convinced me to have a midwife attend my birth, thankfully as I did end up hemorrhaging. I didn't lose custody of my son, and I wasn't admitted to the psych ward. I only received professional help when my son was 8 months old. Looking back now it is really discouraging how many people, including healthcare professionals didn't care enough to actually get me help, or at minimum say something to me.
i like the irony of how she tried so hard to make her baby natural as possible, yet he has to grow outside the womb being grown with formulas and science.
Thinking about this and how she is acting when she’s pregnant, essentially killing her baby. I cannot imagine how she would theoretically be as a mother raising that child. It would probably be HORRIBLE for the kid. I mean, having a mom watch every move, probably not let you go outside, having anxiety over you for essentially no reason. She is the definition of overprotective parenting gone wrong.
Sometimes they are right I went to multiple doctors and payed lots of money only to tell me it was in my head when I knew for sure it wasn’t. So I did my own research came up with the conclusion saw another doctor and it turns out I had the same disease that has no cure. I was in debilitating pain everyday since I turned 13.
theres times when i can apreciate patients disagreeing but even then i generally dont disagree with the facts of the situation my dr thinks i could maybe loose just a touch weight (im 105kg hed prefer i was closer to 80) i disagree on the basis that im not gaining weight and have held this weight solid since i was 17 years old (im now 30) my diet is not excessive and i am somewhat active i ride my ebike in pedal assist mode 20 miles a day (it actually counts its better than driving a car) and i often walk long distances with ease and ive always been fairly physically fit i ran cross country for fun i was on the sprinting team and played rugby and am quite strong ive chosen to not make any drastic changes to my diet as im already eating fairly well and if i loose the weight great if not i dont forsee it causing any major health negatives to me at this stage to warrant undergoing major diet or excercise changes that being said i do not for one single second disagree with his opinion it would be optimal for me to be less over weight and there are some minor risks posed to me those are facts and i dont disagree with them nor do i think i know better than him btw my daily caloric intake sits around 1000-1800 calories at best
It’s not pride, but fear. She’s scared and these doctors don’t consider her opinion. If she thinks the IV is bad they should try to educate her further and address her concerns, bring in a third party, or find a different alternative.
I suffered from ED for a long time and I cried so much and was so worried about what would happen if I got pregnant, that I told myself I never wanted kids. Now that I’m married and really want kids in the future, this is my greatest fear. It is absolutely paralyzing to fear that you would be the cause of your own miscarriage
Since it seems you'd like to have kids, and are so aware of your struggles, surround yourself with a mental, birthing and nutrion medical team which will help you stay strong through pregnancy. 🤗
I had an extremely bad eating disorder when I was a teen/early adulthood. I was tormented my whole life by classmates and family over being fat and when I was 14 I swallowed a 500 count of Tylenol and at the time was so upset I woke up the next morning. So once that happened I turned to the whole ED. Then I got pregnant unexpectedly, not trying, using 2 types of Birth Control, and I was in university. I didn't want a baby and I was so scared as I didn't find out I was pregnant until 11 1/2 weeks along. What could I have done? But my worry for my child and a very very strong doctor who told me I had two choices, to start eating properly or he was going to have me strapped to a bed and a feeding tube put through my nose. It made me start to eat, it was very slow going and I will admit I had more months of weight loss then gain, but I was following the eating plans as best as I could. I was also cursed with Hyperemesis which caused me to puke right up until I delivered my baby! But 19 years later, she is healthy, smart and had a very good relationship with food. I do still struggle a lot, but after I had my daughter, I wanted to make sure she didn't go down the road I did, and I had to lead by example! The point to my ramblings is, sometimes veing pregnant can have a more positive effect on you then this mom. It makes you go the opposite way and want what is best for your baby no matter what happens to you. I'm sure you will be awesome and make the best choices for your family! And if you are still struggling, talk to someone about it. It isn't weak to reach out and ask for help! Good luck!!
@@faristasairuv5143 I’ve made a lot of progress with counseling and medication. I gained healthy weight and my ED doesn’t control my life anymore like it used to. Im still a little tentative and have anxiety issues but I’m hoping I’ll be off medication in a year or so.
@@Nikki_81 that gives me a lot of hope. Im at a point now where Im fairly confident I would maintain a physically healthy pregnancy thankfully. My only worry is going back initially to my old habits and how the anxiety will affect me during the pregnancy. But I’m actively doing what I need to heal completely. It’s just that voice in the back of my mind that comes out every once in a while. I dont think that fear will ever go away but I’m lucky to have my husband by my side
I haven't seen this episode, but they should've called in Dr. Charles. Her wrong beliefs and desire for control really messed up her thinking, causing physical harm to herself and the baby.
More often than not said "legal" action goes nowhere and the most she gets is a slap on the wrist. Gotta say, while I respect her intentions, it does get grating
Her patient is the mother, this is nonsense. If it was another doctor, a non-feminist one it will make sense, but Dr Mannning is not supposed to belive that the fetus (no baby to starve) has any particular value besides the mother's desire.
That’s not a good thing. She has wrongly called cps on several patients and broke several laws. Even if she doesn’t agree as a doctor she has no right to do that IV. The doctors on this show are narcissist with a terrible god complex.
IV fluid is like the healthiest food for the baby with no chewing necessary. All the nutrients the baby AND you need plus you just need batches and you two will be okay
I could never be a doctor. Watching and listening to people be so stubborn and ignorant would drive me crazy. I would probably slap that woman. It’s amazing that there r people in this world that have the patience for such a hard job ❤
To seeing the baby in the incubator at the end made me think about how my parents must have felt cuz I was born 3 months premature with my twin brother, we stayed in the hospital for a good 3 months I can't imagine what that must have been like for my parents especially my mom.
Im a twin with a brother too. We were both 3 pounds and 2 months premature. I was in the nicu for a month, I can’t imagine how any parent would feel after hearing that they have to wait weeks until they can take their baby home with the fear of them not making it
It's people like these that makes me think maybe everyone should be evaluated before being allowed to have a child and not, just like parents who want to adopt. Well, those people and the ones that abuse their kids.
Certain states had that's at one point in the 20s and 30s I doubt it's coming back. It is funny tho that if this woman was starving an actual baby not a fetus she'd probably be in jail.
How would that work exactly? “Sorry man we’ve carefully considered it an decided you’re not pure enough to carry a child, so we’ve scheduled an emergency abortion”
@@mar-k7104 well that's sorta my point. That America went down that route and it didn't stick (and looking back, it feels gross.). But at the same time it's a strange situation cause if she was a starving a 1 month old infant she'd be done, but an 8 week fetus is okay I guess.
As someone who has a family member who is a psychiatrist, I can tell you that it wouldn’t have helped. The only way they could force her into medical treatment is to get a judge to declare her mentally incompetent, and she doesn’t meet that requirement. She does need mental help, obviously, but that would take years of therapy, that’s not something a hospital can do.
Both my pregnancies I was sick the entire time. Couldn't keep anything down. Lost about 20 lbs both pregnancies instead of gaining it. I stand by having to take classes, being educated in children, & taking a psych test before having any. It would stop a lot of problems.
They need to be upfront and blunt. You and baby can and will die if you continue down this path. She can’t make an informed decision if she’s not informed.
From the liberal's perspective, there is no baby to protect. That is why is so stupid that a female doctor will do something like that. There is no one to protect except the mother. The mother has the right to refuse treatment.
@@jaimeduncan6167 what? At over 6months pregnant there's definitely a baby in here. The fetus starts to form memories, can hear, see, react... it basically just can't breathe on its own at this point. You definitely have a human inside you.
He wasn’t helping. If anything he worsened her paranoia because he kept feeding her tinfoil hat theories. One minute there and he’s already complaining about how an ultrasound will affect brain development. I know he’s just a character but I do not believe for a minute that he agreed with those doctors. If he was so concerned he would’ve worked with her to get her enough calories to sustain their baby months before it got to this point.
If House was her doctor, he'll tell her point blank "you'll give birth to a dead baby"
Here's the thing if house was in any other medical drama the episodes would be a whole lot shorter
@@Boomerjojo79 but they would be really entertaining miniseries though
We need more doctors like House.
Yes, and he'll be right
😂😂😂
Before this woman leaves the hospital, she needs to be required to sign a letter that she cannot sue the hospital if the baby dies.
I agree
Not only does she need to sign a paper saying that she can't sue, she needs help before she can take that baby home.
Edit: Omg thanks for all the likes.
you better don't go there after one of your doctors violated ethical rules for no reason. Also, the signature may not hold in court as it will be done under extreme duress (not being able to keep the baby).
I was thinking they need to call cps. Who knows how she'll neglect that baby with the way she thinks
@@jaimeduncan6167But why should the hospital suffer from her dumbass decisions. I understand ethically speaking they did violate a rule. However the doctors were trying to do was something that woman should have been doing the entire time making sure the baby was healthy and getting the actual nutritions the baby needed to live. I know pregnancy hormones can be out of whack, but this wasn’t hormones at that point this was straight up delusional thinking and she does need help. I mean the husband mentioned that she always had anxiety and control issues. Judging by the way she behaves she probably never got Therapy at least from the parts shown in this video.
A family friend just lost her baby at almost full term because she had severe body dysmorphia and barely ate, resulting in the baby being born at 3 pounds. So heartbreaking.
That’s so terrible. I’ll keep your friend and her baby in my prayers.
So this crazy mom is basically her?
That’s so sad
@@20PINKluvr the mom is not crazy just obsessed with care for her would've been baby and is scared
So sad. The little angel is in heaven. God bless.
Love how in the end the nurse said 'carbohydrates, protein, fats. He needs them to grow.' and just pointedly looked at her lol
Basically "feed your child, you fool!"
Isn't that the doctor, tho?
She's not a nurse, she the doctor that kept telling her she needed to feed her baby.
You know that mom was fuming
@@lildad559 I think it was a wakeup call for her. She needed to see what she was doing to her baby.
The fact that she thinks 700-800 calories a day is efficient for a mother and fetus is insane 😳
it's not even enough for a healthy toddler....
Im lucky to even eat 1600 a day and I'm not pregnant (gym rat)
700 is too little for a short and underweight woman with no activity. I’m short and underweight and my TDEE is 1300
that's like... what, 1/3rd of what is needed for a NORMAL adult that is NOT pregnant. If you have to then ALSO support the development and eventual feeding of a fetus.... yikes.
Yeah a pregnant woman should be consuming more then 2000 I think to compensate for the fact that she is growing another human being
The fact that this woman thinks she knows more than the doctors is infuriating.
That's what bothers you here? Really?
Doesn't it remind you of other people in the real world? People who did their "research" on the internet on a specific medical issue that we just went through?
@@Gib01 I mean people are entitled to do whatever they want, can't force everyone to the same decisions
@@OpticHamster69 Opinions are not facts.
@@Gib01 I agree with this but you also have to remember even if the facts are what they are people choose not to follow factual guidelines. Its just how people work and nobody can force anything upon them if they choose to follow a pseudo-scientific route.
“She’s starving the baby to death” hit me so hard how could you be so cruel to starv YOUR OWN CHILD to death
she thinks she's not. She thinks she's protecting it and that doctors don't know much because that's what an alternative medicine practitioner has led her to believe
She thinks she's helping her baby and this sounds like an eating disorder a person like this would need mental help
My cousin was doing the same thing to her baby, only feeding her apple juice and barely enough formula. But it wasn't for health reasons. She said she didn't want to have a fat baby. Thank God the state took her into custody. Pretty sure my cousin is still in jail.
Maybe she secretly wants to abort it 😢
@@KendraGraceTNo, it’s clear that this her way of being protective, it’s just a behavior that’s ultimately harmful
The thing that horrifies me is even if this baby managed to survive infancy, they would be malnourished and would likely end up growing up with an eating disorder with a mother who had this level of paranoia and restriction around food. That's assuming she didn't lose custody all together when someone reported her for neglect due to starving her child.
I wonder why the midwife didn’t tell her to eat more, eat better, to take vitamins, that she and her baby were in danger? Couldn’t the midwife tell that the baby wasn’t developing correctly, even without a sonogram?(There are nurses who are also midwives as well, but every state has different requirements to be licensed, there are schools and graduate programs to become a midwife).
I wonder about the development of the baby, low birthweight, what neurological, developmental, and physical issues the baby could have that could impact walking, coordination, talking, speaking, learning, vision, hearing…. If she has the baby at home and there are complications during the birth, what then?
After the baby is born, what if she develops worse heart issues or other health issues and what if the baby needs medical attention? I sadly have a feeling that she won’t see an actual physician or cardiologist or other specialists later on to see about the other medical issues she has or could develop later on or take her the baby to see an actual pediatrician for checkups and if need be specialists like occupational, physical, and speech therapists or if the child has developmental, learning, and behavior issues.
@@hannahwigmidwife was probably encouraging the mother’s actions
@@hannahwig im sure she had different midwifes and kept pushing them away until she found one who cared more about money on her pocket than baby's safiety.
"It is my job to keep this baby pure."
Girl, it is your job to make sure the baby is taken care of and be healthy. That is a baby, not a vegetable.
It's gonna become a vegetable if they're not careful
It will be a vegetable is this low IQ excuse for the mother will start to feed the baby with vegan diet. There is something wrong with the law if it allows pregnant woman to starve her own baby in her womb. (She has money, support system, access to healthcare etc). Just because the baby is on wrong side of the womb does not give her right to kill her own baby. At 8 months a baby can survive outside. If it was a newborn than a woman faces jail time. But because the kid is inside her, none can do anything. Also why the father is not considered into the equation in such cases. The woman is clearly demented and cannot make logical rational decision. It is not like she prefers Chinese food over Italian or something, she is starving her baby.
Lol this comment is hilarious. 😂
Today, nobody’s pure. Not physically, mentally, emotionally or medically. Everyone’s impure in one way or another. You have diabetes, heart disease, cancer, an eating disorder, tuberculosis, soft bones, brittle skin, deafness, tooth decay, etc.
We live in a world where people can be fine in one moment and go loony in another.
The fact he was the size of maybe not even a 5 month pregnancy when he came out 😢😢😢 so tiny and barely any skin 😢
This is why anxiety disorders are more serious than people think
This isn't an anxiety disorder, this is a type of eating disorder. Specifically a combination of restrictive food intake disorder and anorexia
@@royalrenegade788this case specifically has clear anxiety disorder symptoms. She’s not avoiding eating because of body dystrophies, she’s doing it because she’s anxious about her and her baby’s well being to an irrational degree
@@toffeefeathers It aligns with orthorexia, which is the unhealthy obsession of “healthy” living. She wants to be in control, in this case it isn’t necessarily body shape but it is physical health. Anxiety plays a role in it, but this is a classic presentation of an ED
@@royalrenegade788 I'm pretty sure there's overlap.
I was at my worst with my ED when I got pregnant… I didn’t believe I could get pregnant. And the day I found out, I started eating again. I’m very grateful that I was able to put the baby before those thoughts… this is heart wrenching
Literally my story. My son saved my life. ❤️
Yep
Same- I barely ate and was obsessed with my weight. But as soon as I got pregnant I started to eat healthy and made sure my baby would get the food to grow.
Same. Its a struggle but i eat at least 1k-1200 a day. I have to weigh backwards bc If i see the numbers i will cry
My son saved mine too, but from alcoholism. Not an ED by any means but I’m happy to say he helped me turn everything around. He’s 5 months old almost 6 and started solids.
The saddest part of this is how real it is.
So often people pay for these specialists that really do not help, but rather hurt their baby.
@@mr_clean575 same i was very confused
I have high cholesterol ( possibly family history) my doctor didn't restrict anything. Just smaller amounts of bad and more of the good
@@samg873 thankfully you went to a real doctor and not a nutritionist! Nutritionists don’t have to have any actual qualifications and are more often than not scammy
@@jessicastar433 really? See I didn't know anyone can use nutritionist title
@@samg873 yes! Anyone can use it. They’re certainly not all bad but a lot of them are
A dietitian is an actual title that requires a certain amount of education
There's a difference between being "confused" and being willfully ignorant. This woman will do anything (nutritionist, midwife) except listen to a doc.
There is also a difference between being willfully ignorant, and being delusional. She truly believed she was doing what was best for her and her baby. It's scary, but mental illness can do that to a person. It's the same way people will jump off buildings believing they can fly, nowhere in our society do we give any incling to that being possible, yet people will believe it when they are ill.
I was poisoned by a doctor and given incorrect antibiotics which caused me to need to go to the ER for a full week.. some nurses gir incorrect medications that are fatal... Some people are scared to trust doctors bc of personal experience... Is that a mental disorder ?
@@macie8571 This lady doesn't think the mother was mentally ill. Your experience is also a valid reason though.
@@macie8571 Dr's/nurses do make mistakes, it's not like they poisoned u on purpose and to distrust all Dr's bc of one experience is stupid. And her character never mentioned an experience like that, even her husband stated that she's always been off like that and it just got worse when she became pregnant.
@@byambrr we'll see how the COVID vaccines affect us years from now
Yes, the random pregnant mother knows more about preserving life than MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS.
Take her to Dr. House, he can explain to her how many funeral companies make a lot money by selling small coffins.
Amen!
I feel bad for the child, especially at the end when she asked what were they putting in him. You know she will control that child's food till they are 18 and can get away from their mom.
Kiddos got a one-way ticket to disordered eating
Not unless the dad divorces her and takes the kid. Or the kid files for emancipation before 18. Or CPS is called on her for starving her kid.
Orr seeing her premature child with tubes manually feeding him may have given the mom a wake up call. She may not force her eating disorder on her child out of a newfound understanding.
@@alphaartistmsp2433 while a clear viable thing that can happen you’d be amazed the amount of people who don’t realize what they’re doing, there have been cases of moms hearing that and freaking out because they’re trying to kill their baby with that stuff.
Human stupidity never ceases to simultaneously amaze and disappoint me.
that's how my mother still is. and im 20 now
The worst part is that these parents think that they're actually helping their child, when they're just starving them
Death is better than any kind of life that woman could ever give them
Any parent who starts enforcing THEIR lifestyles onto a kid who really has no choice but to go along should really never be parents in the first place. They're the types who would rather kill their child than admit their beliefs aren't for correct.
Isn’t her body her choice?
@@yaima0901 you know that at 8 months and with the intent to keep the child, that is not longer just her body.
@@hasturthekinginyellow5003 hmmm but last I saw they want to sign a law that allows them to terminate pregnancy whenever they feel like it….
We need Dr. House in this situation
Last scene, she didn't ask if the baby is gonna live, just asking what are they putting in him.
She didn't learn her lesson, she doesn't care about health, she only cares what's "toxic"
It’s sad that this mother had to physically watch her baby in tubes and IVs getting the proper nutrition in order for her to see what she was doing is harming her baby 😞
Except she didnt see that. She saw people giving her baby things she didnt approve of. Hence the question about what the baby was getting. The mom's mental state wasn't fixed by the c-section.
Nope, just as ridiculous and crazy. At least she’s killing herself and not the baby too.
@@sapphireriddles6692 exactly. her inability to produce breast milk will be blamed on the doctors too probably.
@@sapphireriddles6692 I'm so upset this episode didn't include Dr. Charles. Why would you have a mental illness case without the mental health doctor?
How about how it’s harming her! People don’t even think of women as people. It’s insane
Feels like the patient had 1 consultation w/ a dietitian and just automatically assumed she knew everything she should give her baby.
Even worse, a nutritionist. Dietitians have actual credentials and certifications. Anyone can use the label of nutritionist.
It happens. The same with looking up what's wrong or could be. Drags you down a rabbit hole sometimes.
@@jenniferromero571 Oh, God, the number of people who try to self-diagnose over the internet without realizing that almost all of these medical sites are written by the insurance companies...
@@DigiDestined13 I feel like those medical sites being written by insurance companies isn't the problem- the problem is people who use those sites and when their symptoms point to (for the sake of this example) cancer they accept it's cancer, tell people they have cancer, but make zero attempts to see a doctor about their "cancer". Those websites can be useful but you still gotta go see professionals to confirm things.
No she had an eating disorder and it was later addressed. All of you guys are so terrible for having no empathy and judging this woman!!
What's worse is even after almost loosing her child she asked what they were putting in him. Which only shows how constricted he's going to be growing up, and how his life would of been depleted by having a mother who was so anxious and incompetent
Patient clearly has an eating disorder, but because she pretends to be "health conscious" they act like she's just overly concerned for the baby? such bullshit
Orthorexia
That's how orthorexia works. Her fears do come from a place of health consciousness, but it gets to where nothing is pure and healthy enough.
Just because you don’t understand something doesn’t mean it’s not genuine or that it’s bullshit
It's a SHOW
I'm looking @ her husband wondering how he finds her neurotic behavior attractive. How on earth did he get this scrawny woman pregnant?
I bet House would have just gotten her a catalog for 'Baby caskets' and said:
''This is the next best advise I can give you. In this case, I bet you can get a really good '2 for 1' deal when both of you dies...''
There’s nothing more dangerous than patients who thinks they know more than the doctors
My mom would do that with all my female doctors, and I lost several of them. She would argue based on something she read on Facebook or on a blog; I was absolutely humiliated and exhausted. I told her straight up, "I'm not gonna have that because I don't want to lose a doctor." It was a miracle she listened.
Hi gorgeous how are you doing today hope you have a great day and your family are doing well??
Sometimes doctors are wrong so
@@alexandramoyer8785 Doctors aren't perfect.
@@devinreis5811 no one is
Interesting thing is that IV fluid is actually extremely healthy. It’s literally pure nutrients.
The stuff in the IV bag that Manning tried to give her contained glucose and amino acids aka the broken down components of carbohydrates and proteins. She was just worried because it looked scary because it was in a bag and not a whole food.
Tpn isn't pure, it's straight up chemicals and medications. It saves lives, sure. But it's not on any level "pure"
@@ry.butterfly chemicals are one of the purest forms of nutrients
@@ry.butterfly No, TPN stands for total parenteral nutrition. It consists of glucose, salts, amino acids, lipids, vitamins, and minerals.
@Justice237 I know what it stands for lol my comment still stands. There's a reason why TPN destroys the liver.
She and her baby could've starved to death, yet she refused help to the point it was live or die for the baby. That's outrageous.
This is one of those times when I wondered how Dr. House would have handled this couple
Selling small coffins?
@@ambrevigneron5911Yeah, he would lol, he would tell it to them straight
I have nothing against people's view but to force it upon a child who is not strong enough and needs other things is just wrong. Let them decide later on in life it that's what they want.
Exactly.
An eating disorder is not a normal condition for any pregnancy. And normally fertility is hindered by nutrient deprivation.
@@imadone Yes exactly!! I can't believe the show didn't even address her obvious eating disorder. No adult thinks 800 calories a day is ok during pregnancy. (Or at all, unless one is on a special diet under close doctor supervision)
Exactly!
@@imadone true, but women in concentration camps still got pregnant and delivered babies. It is a lot less likely, but not impossible.
Ah, that’s what an eating disorder and a pregnancy together look like.
Yes very dangerous I battle with Ed and had to force myself to eat for my son. Sometimes I still have 2 and I only have a few weeks left. And in anxiety u get from seeing/hearing about baby's that were harmed or died do to bad food and it makes it so much worse.
This is why we need to have mental health resources available for everyone to be able to get help and prevent things like this from happening.
A ticking time bomb of anxiety and depression?
@@Aggression-hc3ypI mean those hormones do make you crazy. This chick clearly has multiple issues that’s what makes for a good show.
This is how crime looks like. Mental disorder is poor excuse for evil people.
As someone in the medical field, this is so real and very frustrating. Unfortunately it is the patient’s call on any sort of procedures, so sometimes you do have to just sit and watch as they get worse. All you can do is provide them with the education. Whether they agree to follow through is ultimately up to them
The fact that there actually people out there like her is infuriating.
All over tiktok
I lost it at the part where the ultrasound damages the baby.
Those kind of people always amaze me.
Yes the ultrasound will effect the baby in horrific ways!
But under eating, when you're supposedly eating for two is completely rational and okay
Individuals who have decided to completely ignore established medical science shouldn't ever be taken seriously
@Mike Sixx It's because of the state of the world. With a rising distrust in news, politics, religion, schooling, police officers, doctors, and fire fighters. People in this day and age don't trust authority figures because all we see of them is being either corrupt or unable to do their job.
"KIDZ DONT BREATH IT CAUSES CANCER!"
@@charlierei9292But it’s ORGANIC 😝 😂
As a pregnant momma who struggles with ED’s I am so glad I am able to force myself to eat well for my baby. It may not be the healthiest foods but I take my vitamins and she is healthy at 27 weeks 💕
@Xyz Xyz ED can come and go also the important thing is this person is conscious of what they have and are doing the best for herself and the baby in her belly I have ED too
Well done xx
Proud of you xx
@Xyz Xyz could have been an accident, or they could have gained it while pregnant. Especially with hormones running rampant, pregnant women can have a hard time eating because their senses are exponential. But I don't know their situation, ED can come from anything really or nothing. My ED came from anxiety 🤷♀️
Wish the best for you and your baby
I know people like this. They think they know better than anyone, to the point of stupidity.
While not included in the DSM, orthotexia is a regularly diagnosed "unspecified feeding or eating disorder," and is characterized by an extreme and dangerous obsession with conventionally "healthy" eating. It is serious, especially when it interferes with certain special nutritional requirements characteristic of pregnancy.
They need to make her sign a waiver if she refuses treatment so they can't be held responsible.
However if a doctor did something behind my back without my permission I'd sue their asses.
Let the writers of this fictional TV show know.
@@GraceyManorsyup but knowing how the mother was acting, she would’ve tried to sue them for not helping her, at least in the way she was “ helping “ her baby.
There is something like that called an AMA form that patients sign when they are leaving the hospital against medical advice (AMA). Basically, by signing it, the patient acknowledges that they understand the risks and potential complications of not receiving treatment and desire to continue without treatment.
These episodes that deal with patients who don’t like modern medicine and chose alternatives are very relevant. I love how they focus on real issues and do them well.
Propagandistic to boot
@@monk3110 Might need to google the meaning of propaganda, because starving your baby and being against that is quite a factual thing in medicine.
The patient clearly has orthorexia. Her unusual fear and paralysis of “impure food”, only eating 800 calories a day, it’s very blatantly a mental health issue and extreme health anxiety. I wouldn’t actually quality her in the “crazy alternative” realm, since organic fresh produce with low red meat intake isn’t an insane stance to have. Im vegetarian myself and prefer fresh produce over more processed foods, but the borderline is the obsession and anxiety around the food, alongside restriction and improper management of intake.
@@joelvr101 well yes she is the strawman
The fact these people exist make me wanna never go outside, how do such imbeciles exist
600-800 calories for a pregnant mother is ridiculously low. And the fact that she isn't properly caring for herself is putting that baby in danger.
When I was pregnant with my oldest daughter. I wasn't gaining much weight for the 1st 6 months and I was honestly terrified she was gonna come out very underweight. I managed to gained 30lbs within the last 3 months and she came out healthy. To see a mother only take in so little when pregnant thinking she's helping the baby is actually pretty heartbreaking
Thats where im at right now. Its scary that im barely gaining weight and im eating so much
@silvermist9924 I believe in you. I know it's scary, just keep doing the best you can.
The fact she’s gonna get to go home and raise that baby after damn near killing him cause she’s got something wrong with her mind is scary
Hi gorgeous how are you doing today hope you have a great day and your family are doing well??
Genuinely, I'd be having regular visits from CPS or something to make sure the kids actually gaining weight, at least for a few months. No threats, just weigh ins.
I feel like there should be a mental disorder on vegans. I got a vegetarian cousin we get along fine how I’ve done plenty of people vegetarian. Vegans I can never associate or be friends with them. Such as I need to guys are used to work with not that I would bother even mentioning them. Those two were the definition of vegan psychos. Interestingly enough one of them will talk about conspiracy theories of how sugar is made along with many other crazy outrageous BS, conspiracy garbage. The other one was not only just vegan, but he was always showing up late for work and oh yes, to make it even interesting he actually was doing heroin. The problem with these people is that they exist to literally going cause harm to businesses and themselves, especially when they’re about to have children. I’d like to see them go to a village in Africa and tell them they got a start eating their way, then getting chased out.
@@monkeycat48I've met several of both, but only one vegan who was reasonable and not OCD in disguise.
I hope that cps got called in at some point afterwards
The proof is literally the baby itself!!! she's supposed to be 8 months pregnant but her baby's size and growth is that of a 5 month old... The fact she ended up in the E.R and her body is practically failing due to being malnourished. I know this is a show but damn the anxiety 😭
This is why mothers always always always have to go to ultrasound. If she would see how small her baby is she would know soon enough that something is wrong (maybe it wouldn't change much but at least someone would already start to push on her getting better nutrition).
Even better mothers can have complications. My baby niece was doing great and then on 28th week they found on ultrasound too low flow in umbilical cord. They tried to fix it with magnesium, but after week at the hospital she had to go on C-section anyway (on last ultrasound she was barely moving even with glucose directly delivered through her mom's veins. And her stomach started to be a little bit too small). So born on 29th week. Long story short it saved her life. She had to overcome some complications but she is now almost 3 months old and at home. (and that's central Europe, by the way. In richer countries the chances of recovering are even better I assume)
I had hyperemesis gravidarum (extreme morning sickness) during my pregnancy and could barely keep anything down for days at a time because of it, but i would still force myself to try to eat for myself & my baby. thankfully we’re both healthy and happy now ♥️
The thing that worries me the most about the situation is that she is 100% not going to change once the kid is older. She is going to starve that child their entire life and give them a very unhealthy relationship with food.
They never considered a psych eval? Putting the husband in charge since she was nuts, and killing the baby?
There is no way this woman would be allowed to harm her baby like this in real life. It's odd this sloppy writing exists in the same fictional universe as Law & Order and Homicide LOTS
@@diosoth hospitals don't want to get sued.... forcing medical treatment (pregnant or not) can result in that
@@diosoth these episodes are taken heavily from actual medical cases, these things really do happen
@@diosoth so what would happen then?
@@diosoth actually it can and does. Its a result of my body my choice, the baby isn't a life yet legally in some states like California and New York. It's not just about what a law says but how it can be interpretted.
The fact that there's people like this in the world to base this off of is mind blowing
Now the baby gets to go through life with a psychotic mother and a coward father... Great job
It’s not real man
@@glumdrops3678it is. That actually happens. One of my friends had a severe ED and lost her child to that.
Dr House is the perfect doctor for such a situation
Ain't that the right would love to see that
I don’t know. He’d probably call her an idiot who’s murdering her child, and then that would just make her even more defensive
@@annataymond9529 Because it’s the truth. House doesn’t really care about anyone’s feelings, but he will emphasize with certain patients.
@@breecegriffith5896 yes but that would compromise the situation. If she got defensive she’d be less likely to listen to reason and wouldn’t feel like she was safe to agree to anything
Yup House is definitely needed here to call her an ignoramus
That mother was almost me. I was very depressed while pregnant, became paranoid and developed the delusion that any doctor or healthcare worker was going to take my baby from me, or horrifically hurt us. So naturally with that fear I avoided prenatal care until I was 28weeks along. After telling my mom I was going to do an unassisted birth, my family helped me find a midwife I could trust, and I had a homebirth. Thank God I had an amazing midwife because I ended up hemorrhaging pretty bad. I was very fortunate that my son and I were healthy. I didn't receive mental health care until many months after. Now 6 years later and much professional help, I can see how I put us both in danger and how unwell I was. This is a very real topic. I know for me in the thick of it I truly couldn't understand what I was doing was dangerous, I absolutely believed I was doing what was best for my son and I.
Unfortunately about to get more common. With recent laws being passed after Roe vs Wade went down, many women are going to trust their doctors less.
I'm glad you recognized there was a problem and got help. Not many would do that. Proud of you 😊
@@ymi7924 Thank you, I appreciate your kind words. I wish I had gotten help sooner, but I will always be thankful my son was born healthy. ❤
I know I’m late, but wow I’m so sorry:( I can’t imagine the overwhelming fear. So glad for you that you got help though and congratulations on your healthy baby 💗
pregnancy can mess up our brains pretty bad 🥲
Dr. Manning is so misunderstood and underrated all she try’s to do is keep people safe
but clearly people just don’t listen! 😢
This is why a mother should be smart and open minded.
I knew a girl who actually did this, baby died due to malnourishment
Serves her right
How she react? She took responsibility or blamed everything else?
@@dreamcatcher6937 probably blamed the doctors
i hope she learned from this and if she gets pregnant again she'll actually do wants right and not act like this
@@nave712 what is wrong with you
700-800 calories a day is not healthy for anyone pregnant or not!
Nope it’s not
How much calories are needed a day for a pregnant woman? 2,000 calories? 2,500?
@@Aggression-hc3yp At her stage in pregnancy, 2,400 calories. 1,800 for early stage.
@@fabplays6559 - Any less than the recommended amount is not a good thing for mother or child! Malnutrition is a serious health risk that affects many people who need to get more than a handful of food in them.
I know this is just a show, but anyone who intentionally starved themselves during pregnancy, does not deserve a child.
"You dont get it" she said to the two EXPERIENCED doctors.
Orthorexia is a serious eating disorder that is not talked about often enough.
This reminded me of the real couple who were vegan and made their Infant vegan. Unfortunately the infant passed away due to malnutrition and the parents got life in prison. Very tragic.
which parents there's been multiple cases of it 34 caught in the last year in the United States alone probably much higher
A vegan infant is okay as long as they get breastfed or a vegan baby formula. The problem wasn't veganism.
@@HopeSingh in all 50 states feeding a vegan diet to an infant is deemed child abuse often classified under intentional starvation or neglect.
There was a house episode where that happened too
@@ayajade6683 Nope. Actually the American Academy of nutrition and dietetics says a vegan diet is fine for all ages. A well planned one. You can't feed your kid just almond milk.
Thing is, as someone with anxiety, I can empathize with her fears, but it's so scary that it can turn that bad for someone that it affects their own health. Mental health is no joke
Yeah i remember myself when i was pregnant and also postpartum… anxiety through the roof. Felt bad for the patient, her boyfriend should have set her straight. My husband protected me from my thoughts
@@simsandwins8998 I've heard terrible things about postpartum depression and such. I'm happy your husband was there to help you get through it. I wish you and your family the best!
@@kevinsundelin8639 thank you
It really is no joke. We need better mental health protections in society.
@@faristasairuv5143 I agree
Honestly the conflict this woman has, to be so terrified of potentially contaminated food is very interesting. I can see this being a potential issue in the future.
Props to the actress who portrayed Julie. Amazing work of depicting anxiety and all those issues
Farm to table unborn baby line cracks me up the most 😂🤣
the thing is thats not even what farm to table is about
farm to table is about eating food at its freshest for flavour and some minor nutrient benefits
its no guarentee that theres no growth hormone or antibiotics or pesticides your eating
also it doesent even mean that the food goes direct from the farmers tractor to your table because most meat gets slaughtered at a slaughter house so theres a step and unless you driving your ass into the country every week your foods stopping off at a distrobution hub before it heads to whole foods
More like from womb to tomb.
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@@lubystkaolamonola529 😂😂😂😂😂
When you're pregnant, you have to eat well, possibly more, to help keep your unborn baby nourished. You're eating for 2 at that point.
well not for 2, but still.
That is wrong. You only need to eat at most an extra 300 calories a day at the end from what I remember. It's not a full human like you are and does not need nearly as much as you do.
A grown woman should be taking in 2500 calories a day, her being on 700-800 is anorexic status , and when pregnant the above comment is correct you only need to increase your diet by s few hundred calories to support the baby, women think eating for two is doubling your calorie intake but that can lead to extreme weight gain, gestational diabetes , fluid retention, diet is so important when pregnant
You are eating for two but should not eat as two. Healthy eating, not overeating.
@@wheelsndealz yes for two
In situations like these, the parents need help and education. And if that doesn't work you have to ask if the child will really be safe with the parents while they have this mindset
Good actress, she nailed the part so well!👍
I can't believe what she did was starving her unborn baby, and she was afraid of the ivy nutrition that would've helped her baby grow before it was born
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@@yimwaili5425 what?
@@yimwaili5425 did you have a seizure on the recommendation keyboard
@@yimwaili5425 learn proper grammar
When I was a young teen, I babysat for a little one that a chiropractic "doctor" and his wife had. They measured each ounce she took in and she was like a little skeleton. As the mother had been chubby as a teen, they were determined their daughter would not get fat. I was instructed not to feed her anything but rice milk, cut up veggies and such. Here's the irony - 35 years later, said child is pudgy and looks happy! Oh,and the dad died at the age of 59. Just saying....I think you should feed and love on babies lavishly. Not sweets, but good nutrition and you cannot spoil a child by holding them, singing to them, etc.
Please don't mock the dad's profession, when it is those parents mental disorders that effected the care of their child. No chiropractic school, which is an actual school like med school, will teach that in health class. I work for one, and he teaches balanced proper nutrition and active fitness is how to be healthy, not teaching a kid to have eating disorders and body issues.
@@heathercontois4501 it's quackery it's not a real medical degree but a certificate with no oversight from a medical board or college. it's a scam
@@ayajade6683 actually, it requires a pre- med degree. Also extensive education in the health am function of the muscles, nervous system and skeletal system. It seems to me you met one of the ones who is just weird and practices improperly. Especially with he and his wife teaching their child how o have eating disorders.
@@heathercontois4501 i hear you, and let me open by saying I've seen a chiro numerous times who is fantastic, educated, and respectable.
However. The stigma against chiropractors doesnt come from nowhere. I knew one who claimed he could treat ADHD with periodic sessions involving a little drum set connected to an interactive video. It's been a while, but I think I heard him claim a couple times that after enough sessions, symptoms wouldn't return. Gullible people paid to have their child tap a plastic drum at the direction of a tv screen, so well persuaded they didnt realize the absurdity of the idea that playing, essentially, super slow guitar hero at most once a week was going to treat a mental disorder that is typically handled by pills you can tell the day of whether you took or not.
So, I think I understood OP's quotes around doctor. Chiros are chiros, not doctors. They're very good at what they do, but they shouldn't veer out of that lane, regardless of whether the temptation to do so might be ego or greed. The end result is bad for everyone.
@@sapphireriddles6692 Chiropractors are in the medical system as Doctors of Chiropractic-like every other kind of specialty. I do fully follow that they can have the same quacks and crazy practitioners as every other medical profession. It's just that with it being a specialty, it makes the stigma against it worse.
the ending was so heartbreaking, the poor thing was made of nothing at all and fighting for life
Those doctors are extremely patient and caring. If it was up to me I'd let her do as she pleases and let the guilt destroy her and her husband when the baby eventually dies. Guess that's why I'm not a doctor. 😕
I like how the female doctor used personal experience to show the patient that she understood instead of trying to use science.
She was pregnant most of the first season so I was seriously wondering why she didn’t try to use her own experiences sooner to try to get the patient on her side
I understand the anxiety while pregnant. I had a completely healthy pregnancy with no issues or even family history of issues, but every single time I used to the bathroom I checked to make sure I wasn’t bleeding. I was terrified to the point of sweating at every appointment that they were gonna tell me they couldn’t find a heartbeat and I was going to have to deliver my dead baby. It was crippling. But, you cannot let your own fears take over. You have to be strong you have to be smart. It’s not about what you feel like doing anymore. It’s about doing what you have to do to protect the life and mind of your baby.
I'm currently pregnant and am going through the same thing. I hope you and your baby are doing great.
Im currently pregnant and feel similarly 😢 i try to distract myself but it comes back. Its heartbreaking.
I know this is a show but the baby being hooked to the tubes made me tear up a little. It didn't even have to happen!
As someone who suffered from ED and is pregnant and got HG and food aversions and acid reflux so bad my throat bleeds daily, I get the struggles of eating and giving proper nutrients to my baby. When I had my 20 week scan and was told he was on the small side, I pushed down all my worries about food and pushed myself to eat for my baby and he doubled in size in ten weeks. He’s perfectly healthy now and the perfect size for 37 weeks. I released a month ago and stopped eating again and ended up in hospital cos I was putting strain on baby and my body cos I wasn’t eating and drinking enough but I’m lucky my body fat kept him alive. I’ve lost more weight than I’ve gained and still under my pre pregnancy weight but thankfully baby is perfectly healthy and reaching the right weight and milestones
yikes on bikes
I'm glad you were strong and made the right decision for you and your baby. I hope you're both doing okay
@@LeoNunes-gy8iethank you. He’s a perfectly happy healthy one year old now. ❤
If I had a partner who ended up starving our unborn baby to death, refusing to listen to the doctor, science and common sense I would leave her. And if the baby somehow survived I would still leave her and take full custody until she got the help she needed.
Good stand up for your child. Take care of your child safe
You are wonderful father to your child.
@@catladynikki2024 I’m a woman and thank you
I dont get why didnt they just outright tell her that her baby is being starved to death since she already knows that her 8 month pregnancy is the size of a 5 month pregnancy
They did. She just doesn’t care.
The fact that this woman thinks she knows more than the doctors is very annoying but she doesn't have to starve her baby to death ☹she really needs help
I was hoping this will be on Netflix and the Chicago med too
… a lot of stuff is wrong here.
- should have done a psych eval
- not broken patient trust or violated patient wishes (despite it being a good idea, objectively)
- spoken with hospital nutritionist or anyone in OBGYN to convince her
almost every episode there’s some egregious error that would result in loss of license.
Good job! However, this is a show.
@@bruh9977 yes, it’s a show, but if they’re gonna talk about and show things that are as common as instances like this, they can at least try to make it more accurate. The comment’s right, EVERYTHING there should have been done/not been done
@@averymoreland3081 Exactly, especially since this show has a psychiatrist as one of the main recurring characters. Why not bring him and at least do an eval?
The parity index is the worst mistake!! Gravida 0 para 1..😂😂😂😂😂
Well, it happened to me and nobody lost any license. I was straight delusional and paranoid, but I was treated like I was perfectly mentally healthy and allowed to keep on doing what I was doing. The only person who kinda tried to help was my mom. She convinced me to have a midwife attend my birth, thankfully as I did end up hemorrhaging. I didn't lose custody of my son, and I wasn't admitted to the psych ward. I only received professional help when my son was 8 months old. Looking back now it is really discouraging how many people, including healthcare professionals didn't care enough to actually get me help, or at minimum say something to me.
i like the irony of how she tried so hard to make her baby natural as possible, yet he has to grow outside the womb being grown with formulas and science.
I just want to say i love the design of this area of this hospital with the doors and curtain combination
Thinking about this and how she is acting when she’s pregnant, essentially killing her baby. I cannot imagine how she would theoretically be as a mother raising that child. It would probably be HORRIBLE for the kid. I mean, having a mom watch every move, probably not let you go outside, having anxiety over you for essentially no reason. She is the definition of overprotective parenting gone wrong.
People like her who think they know more than doctors irk me 😣
It's pride. It's Human nature to overreach, even with things like what we think we know.
Sometimes they are right I went to multiple doctors and payed lots of money only to tell me it was in my head when I knew for sure it wasn’t. So I did my own research came up with the conclusion saw another doctor and it turns out I had the same disease that has no cure. I was in debilitating pain everyday since I turned 13.
theres times when i can apreciate patients disagreeing but even then i generally dont disagree with the facts of the situation
my dr thinks i could maybe loose just a touch weight (im 105kg hed prefer i was closer to 80)
i disagree on the basis that im not gaining weight and have held this weight solid since i was 17 years old (im now 30)
my diet is not excessive and i am somewhat active i ride my ebike in pedal assist mode 20 miles a day (it actually counts its better than driving a car) and i often walk long distances with ease
and ive always been fairly physically fit i ran cross country for fun i was on the sprinting team and played rugby and am quite strong
ive chosen to not make any drastic changes to my diet as im already eating fairly well and if i loose the weight great if not i dont forsee it causing any major health negatives to me at this stage to warrant undergoing major diet or excercise changes
that being said i do not for one single second disagree with his opinion it would be optimal for me to be less over weight and there are some minor risks posed to me those are facts and i dont disagree with them nor do i think i know better than him
btw my daily caloric intake sits around 1000-1800 calories at best
It’s not pride, but fear. She’s scared and these doctors don’t consider her opinion. If she thinks the IV is bad they should try to educate her further and address her concerns, bring in a third party, or find a different alternative.
I suffered from ED for a long time and I cried so much and was so worried about what would happen if I got pregnant, that I told myself I never wanted kids. Now that I’m married and really want kids in the future, this is my greatest fear. It is absolutely paralyzing to fear that you would be the cause of your own miscarriage
Since it seems you'd like to have kids, and are so aware of your struggles, surround yourself with a mental, birthing and nutrion medical team which will help you stay strong through pregnancy. 🤗
I know how you feel. Are you able to get therapy? Therapy can really help.
I had an extremely bad eating disorder when I was a teen/early adulthood. I was tormented my whole life by classmates and family over being fat and when I was 14 I swallowed a 500 count of Tylenol and at the time was so upset I woke up the next morning. So once that happened I turned to the whole ED.
Then I got pregnant unexpectedly, not trying, using 2 types of Birth Control, and I was in university. I didn't want a baby and I was so scared as I didn't find out I was pregnant until 11 1/2 weeks along.
What could I have done?
But my worry for my child and a very very strong doctor who told me I had two choices, to start eating properly or he was going to have me strapped to a bed and a feeding tube put through my nose.
It made me start to eat, it was very slow going and I will admit I had more months of weight loss then gain, but I was following the eating plans as best as I could. I was also cursed with Hyperemesis which caused me to puke right up until I delivered my baby!
But 19 years later, she is healthy, smart and had a very good relationship with food.
I do still struggle a lot, but after I had my daughter, I wanted to make sure she didn't go down the road I did, and I had to lead by example!
The point to my ramblings is, sometimes veing pregnant can have a more positive effect on you then this mom. It makes you go the opposite way and want what is best for your baby no matter what happens to you.
I'm sure you will be awesome and make the best choices for your family! And if you are still struggling, talk to someone about it. It isn't weak to reach out and ask for help!
Good luck!!
@@faristasairuv5143 I’ve made a lot of progress with counseling and medication. I gained healthy weight and my ED doesn’t control my life anymore like it used to. Im still a little tentative and have anxiety issues but I’m hoping I’ll be off medication in a year or so.
@@Nikki_81 that gives me a lot of hope. Im at a point now where Im fairly confident I would maintain a physically healthy pregnancy thankfully. My only worry is going back initially to my old habits and how the anxiety will affect me during the pregnancy. But I’m actively doing what I need to heal completely. It’s just that voice in the back of my mind that comes out every once in a while. I dont think that fear will ever go away but I’m lucky to have my husband by my side
I haven't seen this episode, but they should've called in Dr. Charles. Her wrong beliefs and desire for control really messed up her thinking, causing physical harm to herself and the baby.
I love how the danger alarm is the sound the vent makes when the patient pops off
Dr. Manning really does sacrifice everything for the health of her patients even if it gets into legal action.
More often than not said "legal" action goes nowhere and the most she gets is a slap on the wrist.
Gotta say, while I respect her intentions, it does get grating
Yep. Wildly unrealistic lol jeopardizes her license way too often
Her patient is the mother, this is nonsense. If it was another doctor, a non-feminist one it will make sense, but Dr Mannning is not supposed to belive that the fetus (no baby to starve) has any particular value besides the mother's desire.
That’s not a good thing. She has wrongly called cps on several patients and broke several laws. Even if she doesn’t agree as a doctor she has no right to do that IV. The doctors on this show are narcissist with a terrible god complex.
@@ashleysmith7632 Oh, I did not know that.
IV fluid is like the healthiest food for the baby with no chewing necessary. All the nutrients the baby AND you need plus you just need batches and you two will be okay
I could never be a doctor. Watching and listening to people be so stubborn and ignorant would drive me crazy. I would probably slap that woman. It’s amazing that there r people in this world that have the patience for such a hard job ❤
I've met this kind of patient and trust me it's sooooo hard to talk to them even it's so obvious that we want to help them.
She must've lied to her midwife. Mine would've gutted me for eating 7-800 Cals a day, also without any protein.
To seeing the baby in the incubator at the end made me think about how my parents must have felt cuz I was born 3 months premature with my twin brother, we stayed in the hospital for a good 3 months I can't imagine what that must have been like for my parents especially my mom.
Im a twin with a brother too. We were both 3 pounds and 2 months premature. I was in the nicu for a month, I can’t imagine how any parent would feel after hearing that they have to wait weeks until they can take their baby home with the fear of them not making it
'No' seems to be her favorite word. She's gonna be a 'great' mother when the child is born.... If it gets born alive & well.
Situations like these are heartbreaking
Those nurses were way nicer than I would’ve been like girl you’re killing your baby get it together
It's people like these that makes me think maybe everyone should be evaluated before being allowed to have a child and not, just like parents who want to adopt. Well, those people and the ones that abuse their kids.
Certain states had that's at one point in the 20s and 30s I doubt it's coming back. It is funny tho that if this woman was starving an actual baby not a fetus she'd probably be in jail.
@@thomaswalmsley8959 good thing we don’t live a hundred years ago then. Look, I know this woman is infuriating but she has rights
How would that work exactly? “Sorry man we’ve carefully considered it an decided you’re not pure enough to carry a child, so we’ve scheduled an emergency abortion”
@@mar-k7104 well that's sorta my point. That America went down that route and it didn't stick (and looking back, it feels gross.). But at the same time it's a strange situation cause if she was a starving a 1 month old infant she'd be done, but an 8 week fetus is okay I guess.
@@mar-k7104 and harming others is the basis by which we usually start taking rights.
This women is killing her baby by under feeding it. She is crazy.
Sometimes the patients don't know what's good for them and they need the doctors to make that decision for them whether they want to or not.
Oh man… the ending seeing the unnatural, unhealthy baby was so emotional.
Why didn’t they bring in the psychologist? This is clearly a psychological issue.
As someone who has a family member who is a psychiatrist, I can tell you that it wouldn’t have helped. The only way they could force her into medical treatment is to get a judge to declare her mentally incompetent, and she doesn’t meet that requirement.
She does need mental help, obviously, but that would take years of therapy, that’s not something a hospital can do.
Both my pregnancies I was sick the entire time. Couldn't keep anything down. Lost about 20 lbs both pregnancies instead of gaining it. I stand by having to take classes, being educated in children, & taking a psych test before having any. It would stop a lot of problems.
They need to be upfront and blunt. You and baby can and will die if you continue down this path. She can’t make an informed decision if she’s not informed.
The husband obviously doesn’t agree with the mother but is too scared to speak up against her. He needs to grow a pair and protect his baby.
Try to be rational with some pregnant person. I'm pregnant and if I'm convinced something is bad for my baby you ain't forcing me 😂
she's definitely in the wrong but it's her baby too bro. this isn't the 50s men don't own their wives and children anymore.
From the liberal's perspective, there is no baby to protect. That is why is so stupid that a female doctor will do something like that. There is no one to protect except the mother. The mother has the right to refuse treatment.
@@jaimeduncan6167 what? At over 6months pregnant there's definitely a baby in here. The fetus starts to form memories, can hear, see, react... it basically just can't breathe on its own at this point. You definitely have a human inside you.
He wasn’t helping. If anything he worsened her paranoia because he kept feeding her tinfoil hat theories. One minute there and he’s already complaining about how an ultrasound will affect brain development. I know he’s just a character but I do not believe for a minute that he agreed with those doctors.
If he was so concerned he would’ve worked with her to get her enough calories to sustain their baby months before it got to this point.