Did a similar build on my '99 GS. Full Comp Cam kit, double roller timing chain (CR balance shaft removed- balance has to be dead-nuts), Mahle pistons- bumped compression ratio, powered metal rods (GM factory forged rods starting '00-'01), intercooler, ARP stud kits, Cometc head gaskets, slightly worked heads, headers...you'd be surprised at how torquey these 3.8L are!
Wondering if you do side jobs rebuilding 3.8 Motors would love to bring my GTP to you and watching your videos would like to get in touch with you if possible
Pretty sure these guys watched the video on UA-cam to learn how to rebuild this lol. Theres another 3.8 rebuild video on here where the guy torqued the means front to back.
I did enjoy the video. Great job on the the rebuild 👈😎👉. My 76' Buick Regal 3.8l just broke the 💯 thousand miles😎, 42yrs in the making. The engine still has the factory blue paint. Everything under the hood is 95% factory original. ✌️out bro😎
Nice work. I've got a 91 sc bird with low miles. I was a Ford tech back in the day and i love rebuilding engines. I appreciate seeing you go through yours.
I just got one of these. I do home health care and unfortunately a client died and the daughter sold me the father's car which has been gone for many years now. She sold me a 99 Buick Park Ave ultra supercharged with 60k miles. For 500$. Yeah best deal of my life it runs great although it does have a issue with something electrical. The rpm gauge jumps up n down idk. But I'm really liking it. N seen ur rebuild. I think I'mma have hubby get to work lol..ty for the imput
4.24.24. ⚠️If the Tachometer is jumping up and down, and the vehicle stalls, it’s more than likely it’s your crankshaft position sensor needs changed. They are known to go bad and that’s one of the symptoms🎯
Did you guys do the proper torque sequence on the main bearings and cylinder heads? Also, did you check the main and rod bearing clearances using plasti gauge or dial bore gauges?
Had a supercharger Pontiac Bonneville ssie with the supercharged 3800. The bottom ends on those engines stock are beefy. That engine never stopped pulling. Went over 200 miles & hour. 160 on the dash. Car actually scared me. Just kept pulling.
The BUICK 3800 series 3 is an excellent engine , I've owned a couple of them and they run great withe M90 EATON roots type supercharger , I love the fuel economy and decent power it puts out , great video your car should scoot along nicely for sure , nice job 👍
I don't know the gear ratios but the 3800 V6 definitely has = some high power ignition timing, when it kicks in it's like a V8. But it doesn't steer as good lol. THE 2000 Monte SS is good. could use better braking calipers and 17" tires. The Impala is a Great four door. Two doors are a little limited.
just one thing to add to your engine building prowess. the camshaft should go in before the crankshaft assy. its much easier to guide the cam through the journals. other then that nice build. looking forward to seeing it completed.
I know this video is a little old, but I'm getting ready to swap in a 3800 series 3 supercharged v6 from an 07 Grand Prix GT into my 01 firebird. Getting the engine for $250, with a little less than 100,000 miles. Plan to do a rebuild kit - just to be safe, 180° tstat, colder spark plugs, 3.4 inch pulley, N* throttle body, headers, cat back exhaust, and a tune. Might add the intercooler later, after seeing how things run. From what I've read I can use my harness, and computer - with a tune. Only problem I have to address is fitting the supercharger. Plan on using an elbow pipe to avoid cutting into the firewall. Wish me luck! Or any advice is appreciated.
Why 180 TStat???? You should go 160!!!! Anything hotter than that is simply too taxing on the cooling system and engine. Thats part of what causes engines to overheat is cooling temps being allowed to run too darn hot. 160s are the way to go. Your engine will thank you and will last many numerous miles longer because of a 160. And dont anyone give me flak about this. I know what I am talking about. Hope that helps.
I freshen up/ rebuild alot of 3800 but the supercharged 05+ model I have 2 and are both misfiring after heads intake oil pan and inspection . Can't seem to pinpoint . But I didn't see any rtv on lower intake corners? Am I doing something wrong?
Awesome video bro thumbs u p I also have a 3800 series 2 I'm rebuilding and u gave me some ideas I could work utilize in my build just hoped u could posted a list of all the add ons u installed
awesome video mate! these engines are really popular here in australia too! they were fitted to our holden commodores which is unique to australia. maybe check some of our wacky cars out.
I have never dry sumped a 3800 or any engine before so Im not a great place to inqure from. Might want to start on a 3800 forum of some sort and google.
1:07 - jazzy-jammin' tune sounds like something from racing / rally driving game menu music from years ago.... ToCA, Touring Car Challenge or Ridge Racer, IIRC.
Would a setup like this work on a 4.3? There seems to be an obvious issue with the throttle body and distributor being in each others way. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks.
This blower won't bolt upas far as I am aware. The Buick v6 family does not include the Vortec 4.3 you are talking about. There might be a Weiand blower kit or some other aftermarket brand that you will have to find as I don't know what is available for your engine.
The 4.3 is basically a 350 V8 less 2 Cylinders. So no relation to the 3.8 Engine family. And yeah there are supercharger kits for the 4.3 but I have and will stay N/A on my 1996 4.3 S-10 SS which is making about 265 Horses with the mods I have done so far.
i noticed you guys used no rtv in some important places, like the oil pan for one, just a gasket will leak. the pan bolts should also have thread sealant on them, those bolts go right into the block and oil splashes on the threads. the bottom two inches of the timing cover gasket, rtv both sides of the bottom where it would meet the pan, same for the rear cover. the timing cover bolts and the 4 long water pump bolts also need thread sealant or they can leak coolant on ya. i did all this on my 3800 and 2 years later not a drop of any fluids are to be found. i didnt hear any talk about a machine shop for the block. hope it was sent off to one, or you might have just built a 200 mile engine. or less in some cases. take the crank out and these blocks twist, bolt all new stuff in there and its rappin rodney pretty fast if its not had the crank boar align honed
I'm not a fan of overuse of RTV. The places that needed it got it. I did use sealant on bolts that required it such as the long water pump bolts. So far the Only leak I've had was from one of the heater coolant connections where the previous owner used too much RTV and I didn't quite get it all cleaned out.
As far as having it machined, I was rebuilding and engine that didn't yet have a problem, but had very little bearing left and was close to failure. I did very carefully inspect the block and all I did to it was a basic cylinder hone with a hand drill. I did use a re-maned crank and all new internals. So far it has made it 600 miles and is still doing fine.
some make it, some dont, best of luck. 600 miles you might have a keeper. the oil pan will leak give it time. its just a thin smear on the block and pan needed, along with the pan bolts, bottom of the covers are a common oil leak, why the rtv there, once again, its just a thin smear. them rear cover bolts should have loctight on them too. they have like no tq value, and im sure you noticed they came out really easy.
I replaced the oil pan and rear cover bolts with better ones that could be torqued higher. I thought I remember the oil pan bolts being blind holes, but I'll keep an eye on them for leaks. Nothing yet tho.
Some Australian cars came with it installed like that, it was called the ecotec v6. Some Camaros/Firebirds had the 3800 series 2 NA, so you can either swap one or use the transmission from one. You also have to modify the supercharger since the inlet points towards the rear of the engine.
You can put them in either order of crank or cam first. If you need to, put the cam in first but there is no reason why you HAVE to put one in before the other.
To install a supercharger? For a top swap you would also need the supercharger pulleys/mounts and an SC crank pulley. Since the injectors go into the heads on the SC engine, you would either need heads from a supercharged engine or a modified intake with a modified rail like the kit ZZP sells. Then finally, a 2 bar MAP sensor and a PCM re-tune.
Some Guy superchargers also rob mega hp, heat the air charge up big time (can't intercool) and have crap power gains. Size the turbo right and you will woop a supercharger and get more mpg.
Compression on N/A engine I've read is too high for top swap supercharger. I'd love to just do this to my regal but I got a complete drive train for 500 with computer and harness. Tell me otherwise if I'm wrong. 97 regal going to be s/c with fresh rebuilt 4t65e-hd tranny.
Where did you get your pistons. Are they forged. Also what timing chain roller and cam did you use. I am building an l36 right now and cant find reasonable forged pistons.
I 0wn a couple of Grand Prix`s about how expensive how expensive is it to do a supercharging installation from ground up I have a few ideas I have for one of my Grand Prix GTs
Nice! But when u rebuild a motor, I don't play dance music through it, it's METALICA ALL THEY WAY! You have OCD just like me! Clean parts, well lubed camshaft, etc... Good job! You could eat off of any part of that engine! Did u forget one bolt for the waterpump??
Not sure if it was identical from the factory, but they are definitely compatible. Everywhere I checked listed the same part for the series 3 and the series 2.
Interesting build, almost interesting channel, maybe if you’re 17 and just got your first Buick handed down from grandma. Needs more content I was interested in the 3800 rebuild but after assembly it fell flat. Why is there no dunno video? How much power is it making? Lots of emptiness
hi good vid. ive got a question. do u remember how the com lobes run? does it go exh.intake.intake exh. need 2 know hav custom rods 2 different lengths. any idea.
Wow, looks good! Going to be building a 3800 supercharged engine for my Fiero eventually. It has one in there right now that has 220k miles. Want to rebuild a lower mileage one with some mods.
Did anyone else notice the valve covers are on the wrong side....oil filler should be on the drivers side or on the front so you can put oil in easier..you dont want it on the back like they have it...did it myself..unless it going in a Fiero
Im getting a chevy impala ls 2008 and i was wondering if you could fix a v8 engine in the car because i want to do an engine sway and put a supercharger on it do u think it will fix?
I'm doing a build on my 99 camaro with the 3800 series 2 in it here soon. I have the Eaton m90 supercharger I plan to install, cam etc. Now with the supercharger, it'll have no problem bolting up with stock internals right? If you have any info on this it would be greatly appreciated.
You'll find a lot of info and a list of all the parts you'll need if you do a search for "3800 series 2 top swap". The 3800 performance group on Facebook is also a good resource. In addition to the regular part list you'll also need to deal with the fact that the intake on the supercharger will be pointing backwards. plenty of people have made it work though. There were also Australian cars that came that way stock, but the special supercharger is hard to find elsewhere in the world. As far as internals, it is the same as a normal top swap. The compression will be higher and the components are a little weaker, so the tune needs to be a bit more conservative, but not by much and there is actually potential for more power.
To add to what Dominic said because he's right, you can fabricate a rear mount turbo setup. I did it and I can take pictures and post them if you'd like, it gained about 110 pounds of torque and 90 hp to the rear wheels the only changes to the engine where fuel injectors, fuel pump, and than valve springs because one broke during tuning and I'm lucky the engine wasn't damaged. Finding someone to tune it was the hardest part for me, everyone if biased towards the LS1 because it produces more hp per a pound of boost, it has more aftermarket support, and they probably have a baseline tune for any LS1 turbo build you can think of making it easier money for the tuner because it will take less time to tune.
Would one of these super chargers help a mild 350 any if I made it work on one?I have one sitting around an a friend said he could fab a intake to mount it on.
@@jessicawells5145 samee I think I have too I was on here cause I have a Vulcan 3.0l ford ranger an It looked the same lol but i think v8 is just the way to go
Jared Alexander too small , you need old b@m 144 charger if mild cast engine or the 162 which need forged pistons and crank better oiling . Or check on line lots new but pricy
This is a front wheel drive platform 3800 out of a Pontiac Grand Prix GTP. I dont think the Firebird ever came with a supercharger. I have heard the australians had a rear wheel drive 3800 supercharged so you might want to start there with your research but I dont know what you would need to complete the conversion you are asking about, sorry about that.
Your firebird has an L36 3800. I dont think this is an L36 exactly, but there are parts out there like this for your motor. I also have a 3800 fbody, and superchargers are hard to put on these things because of the lack of room. IMO, the best way to get more air into an fbody is a custom exhaust manifold that brings a turbo up to the front of the motor where the AC is (consider an AC delete). If you do this, you'll have a ton of room because these engines are really tucked in. If you really insist on a supercharger, there is one that will fit onto an L36, but its air intake is on the opposite side from the pulley, and i'm not sure how much fabrication that will take. Its on the L67 3800.
not sure, but since GM trannys were interchangeable, and this would have come with a 60e, there is a manual that S-10s had, AR5 I think it was...might want to check that
300whp is some work to achieve supercharged, turbo no problem. I've heard a lot of people say that the stock lower end is good to 600, so I don't think anything too extreme is required rebuild wise. On mine (the one in the video), I did use series 3 connecting rods and they seem much nicer than the series 2 cast ones.
Dominic Florer it'll still be a while before I do it. do you mind if I contact you when I do? I've done work on cars but it will be my first engine rebuild.
Someone with the same swap and similar mods just had theirs dyno'd at 290rwhp. Once we install the genV supercharger and tune it I'm figuring it'll put me right at 300rwhp.
Yes kinda. They are both 3800 Series 2, so the block is identical. However this is the supercharged version, so the heads, crank, rods, pistons, cam, etc are slightly different.
The top fitting goes to pre-blower vacuum. This pulls the bypass valve open when vacuum is high (throttle closed). The bottom can be left open, or connected to the boost bypass solenoid, which uses post-blower boost to force the bypass open when in reverse or neutral. Hope this helps!
No it is a completely different engine family. The only bolt on supercharger ever made for the 60 degree V6 was the Fageol Supercharger. They are hard to find but do pop up on ebay from time to time. To make this specific blower work your best bet would be to modify the lower manifold of a Camaro and weld a supercharger base to it. Not even sure if it will work but its worth a look.
I will do inter cooled eventually. It's a bit trickier in a Fiero, but I have some plans for how to set it up. When I do it, I'll be making my own aluminum fuel rails and possibly my own inter cooler. Its a 3.5 pulley right now, I'm not sure what it'll end up at when I go to the gen V.
Nice vid. always good to see other channels doing 3800 stuff. engine looks great
Hey man I was jst here tryna learn a thing or two
Did a similar build on my '99 GS. Full Comp Cam kit, double roller timing chain (CR balance shaft removed- balance has to be dead-nuts), Mahle pistons- bumped compression ratio, powered metal rods (GM factory forged rods starting '00-'01), intercooler, ARP stud kits, Cometc head gaskets, slightly worked heads, headers...you'd be surprised at how torquey these 3.8L are!
Wondering if you do side jobs rebuilding 3.8 Motors would love to bring my GTP to you and watching your videos would like to get in touch with you if possible
I hope i wasn't the only person screaming "don't torque the mains from one end to the other!" Lol but nice rebuild anyway...
He put the front valve cover on the back of the engine at the very end hahaha
Pretty sure these guys watched the video on UA-cam to learn how to rebuild this lol. Theres another 3.8 rebuild video on here where the guy torqued the means front to back.
I did enjoy the video. Great job on the the rebuild 👈😎👉. My 76' Buick Regal 3.8l just broke the 💯 thousand miles😎, 42yrs in the making. The engine still has the factory blue paint. Everything under the hood is 95% factory original. ✌️out bro😎
Nice! @classicgbodygarage
My 77 century is the same way bro factory blue paint
I think that's a different 3.8 but good job on getting every mile out of that motor
Very nice to see any 3800 series build but wish there was some love for the Oldschool 3800 series carburetored and 4.1v6s Rwd car's .
Nice work. I've got a 91 sc bird with low miles. I was a Ford tech back in the day and i love rebuilding engines. I appreciate seeing you go through yours.
I got a 92 tb sc I’m trying to rebuild my engine :(
@@47thWarden I did mine last summer. Was kinda fun.
I just got one of these. I do home health care and unfortunately a client died and the daughter sold me the father's car which has been gone for many years now. She sold me a 99 Buick Park Ave ultra supercharged with 60k miles. For 500$. Yeah best deal of my life it runs great although it does have a issue with something electrical. The rpm gauge jumps up n down idk. But I'm really liking it. N seen ur rebuild. I think I'mma have hubby get to work lol..ty for the imput
Clean the Mass Air Sensor and replace the gas with fresh gas and it will probably do fine. Check the oil and transmission fluid.
4.24.24. ⚠️If the Tachometer is jumping up and down, and the vehicle stalls, it’s more than likely it’s your crankshaft position sensor needs changed. They are known to go bad and that’s one of the symptoms🎯
Did you guys do the proper torque sequence on the main bearings and cylinder heads?
Also, did you check the main and rod bearing clearances using plasti gauge or dial bore gauges?
nice job man i enjoyed it keep them coming.
My 88 fiero has a 3800 series 2 from a GTP with a smaller supercharger pulley. Wow it's fast. 35 mpg highway too. Like 260 hp and weighs 2200
Thank you, best Sunday morning ever!
Had a supercharger Pontiac Bonneville ssie with the supercharged 3800. The bottom ends on those engines stock are beefy. That engine never stopped pulling. Went over 200 miles & hour. 160 on the dash. Car actually scared me. Just kept pulling.
The BUICK 3800 series 3 is an excellent engine , I've owned a couple of them and they run great withe M90 EATON roots type supercharger , I love the fuel economy and decent power it puts out , great video your car should scoot along nicely for sure , nice job 👍
This is dope, this my goal to rebuild my 3800 sc in my 04 impala SS..
I don't know the gear ratios but the 3800 V6 definitely has = some high power ignition timing, when it kicks in it's like a V8. But it doesn't steer as good lol. THE 2000 Monte SS is good. could use better braking calipers and 17" tires. The Impala is a Great four door. Two doors are a little limited.
I love it. Wished I had a way to rebuild mine
Just buy a crate 3800 and do whatever you want with it. Way better off than rebuilding one and far cheaper.
I love my 97 riviera with the supercharged 3800
Man I can't wait I've been trying to build that Fiero for 20 years
That Holden intercooler ND front mount I'm wondering how cold I can get the charge,like a refrigerant piped charge tube🤔🧐
MOTOR LOOKS AWSOME YOU GUYS
Amazing
just one thing to add to your engine building prowess. the camshaft should go in before the
crankshaft assy. its much easier to guide the cam through the journals. other then that nice
build. looking forward to seeing it completed.
Nice build
I know this video is a little old, but I'm getting ready to swap in a 3800 series 3 supercharged v6 from an 07 Grand Prix GT into my 01 firebird. Getting the engine for $250, with a little less than 100,000 miles. Plan to do a rebuild kit - just to be safe, 180° tstat, colder spark plugs, 3.4 inch pulley, N* throttle body, headers, cat back exhaust, and a tune. Might add the intercooler later, after seeing how things run.
From what I've read I can use my harness, and computer - with a tune. Only problem I have to address is fitting the supercharger. Plan on using an elbow pipe to avoid cutting into the firewall.
Wish me luck! Or any advice is appreciated.
Why 180 TStat???? You should go 160!!!! Anything hotter than that is simply too taxing on the cooling system and engine.
Thats part of what causes engines to overheat is cooling temps being allowed to run too darn hot.
160s are the way to go. Your engine will thank you and will last many numerous miles longer because of a 160.
And dont anyone give me flak about this. I know what I am talking about. Hope that helps.
I freshen up/ rebuild alot of 3800 but the supercharged 05+ model I have 2 and are both misfiring after heads intake oil pan and inspection . Can't seem to pinpoint . But I didn't see any rtv on lower intake corners? Am I doing something wrong?
I WANT TO REBUILD MY 06 GRAND PRIX SUPERCHARGED JUST LIKE THIS ONE!!!
Awesome video bro thumbs u p I also have a 3800 series 2 I'm rebuilding and u gave me some ideas I could work utilize in my build just hoped u could posted a list of all the add ons u installed
Dope as hell
do you have the ARP part numbers for the crankshaft main bearing caps, and the ARP head stud kits?
Awesome video. I like it
awesome video mate! these engines are really popular here in australia too! they were fitted to our holden commodores which is unique to australia. maybe check some of our wacky cars out.
Wish I could get a Holden Canada Toronto here lol
You guys down under have some powerful cars, love the burn outs.
If possible, what would dry sumping the engine oil require in key parts and installation for hard, sustained cornering and some higher RPMs?
I have never dry sumped a 3800 or any engine before so Im not a great place to inqure from. Might want to start on a 3800 forum of some sort and google.
Any concerns rebuilding the bottom of a 3800sc going to do one now..
1:07 - jazzy-jammin' tune sounds like something from racing / rally driving game menu music from years ago.... ToCA, Touring Car Challenge or Ridge Racer, IIRC.
Thanks, all music in my videos is made in house to avoid having to deal with any copyright issues.
Is it possible to supercharge an Fbody 3.4l or 3400
Great video how much hp is it putting out?
I’m hoping to do a similar build to swap out the engine in my 95 Buick Regal
2:08
Make it sloppy! Lube that shaft! 🤣
Uhm....how did you align it? I didn't see any markings? 😫
Between takeing out the old. Rebuilding this one and installing it with part and labor how much it it cost?
How did it turn out?
Can we know the price of the build want this in my manual vs stato.
Would a setup like this work on a 4.3? There seems to be an obvious issue with the throttle body and distributor being in each others way. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks.
This blower won't bolt upas far as I am aware. The Buick v6 family does not include the Vortec 4.3 you are talking about. There might be a Weiand blower kit or some other aftermarket brand that you will have to find as I don't know what is available for your engine.
The 4.3 is basically a 350 V8 less 2 Cylinders. So no relation to the 3.8 Engine family. And yeah there are supercharger kits for the 4.3 but I have and will stay N/A on my 1996 4.3 S-10 SS which is making about 265 Horses with the mods I have done so far.
Did you replace the rod cap bolts?? They are torque to yield so they cannot be re-used.
Yep. Bought new series 3 rods and they came with new bolts.
How much does a rebuild like that cost for a 2004 Chevy impala SS?
150 - 200 where available. I buy parts from Ebay or Rock Auto. Partsology will have few but ultra cheap internals.
did the timing chain stretch? everyone says to put one on twice as thick on
i noticed you guys used no rtv in some important places, like the oil pan for one, just a gasket will leak. the pan bolts should also have thread sealant on them, those bolts go right into the block and oil splashes on the threads. the bottom two inches of the timing cover gasket, rtv both sides of the bottom where it would meet the pan, same for the rear cover. the timing cover bolts and the 4 long water pump bolts also need thread sealant or they can leak coolant on ya. i did all this on my 3800 and 2 years later not a drop of any fluids are to be found. i didnt hear any talk about a machine shop for the block. hope it was sent off to one, or you might have just built a 200 mile engine. or less in some cases. take the crank out and these blocks twist, bolt all new stuff in there and its rappin rodney pretty fast if its not had the crank boar align honed
I'm not a fan of overuse of RTV. The places that needed it got it. I did use sealant on bolts that required it such as the long water pump bolts. So far the Only leak I've had was from one of the heater coolant connections where the previous owner used too much RTV and I didn't quite get it all cleaned out.
As far as having it machined, I was rebuilding and engine that didn't yet have a problem, but had very little bearing left and was close to failure. I did very carefully inspect the block and all I did to it was a basic cylinder hone with a hand drill. I did use a re-maned crank and all new internals. So far it has made it 600 miles and is still doing fine.
some make it, some dont, best of luck. 600 miles you might have a keeper. the oil pan will leak give it time. its just a thin smear on the block and pan needed, along with the pan bolts, bottom of the covers are a common oil leak, why the rtv there, once again, its just a thin smear. them rear cover bolts should have loctight on them too. they have like no tq value, and im sure you noticed they came out really easy.
I replaced the oil pan and rear cover bolts with better ones that could be torqued higher. I thought I remember the oil pan bolts being blind holes, but I'll keep an eye on them for leaks. Nothing yet tho.
question...how would one mount the 3800 supercharged v6 longitudinally in a rwd vehicle??
Some Australian cars came with it installed like that, it was called the ecotec v6. Some Camaros/Firebirds had the 3800 series 2 NA, so you can either swap one or use the transmission from one. You also have to modify the supercharger since the inlet points towards the rear of the engine.
Use a v6 rear wheel drive transmission from like a s10 2.8 or 4.3
Look at an f-body camaro or firebird. There you go. I have a perfect transmission 4l60e out of an 02 for sale as well.
Could you possibly link the websites for the parts? I need to rebuild my engine but I can’t find the correct parts, thank you
ZZP zzperformance.com/collections/3800
Most of the internal engine parts were from Rock Auto, with some upgrade parts from ZZP and Intense Racing.
Only thing is mine is out of a Camaro and it doesn’t list that even though it’s a l36 engine
Looks great
What did you torque your mains to you remember?
Is there any RWD GM vehicles this engine can go in . Or came equipped in.
Buick regal. Just about any gm midsize car.
Should put camshaft in before crankshaft. So you can guide it in with out banging up cam bearings
You can put them in either order of crank or cam first. If you need to, put the cam in first but there is no reason why you HAVE to put one in before the other.
Was there valve lashing required??
wish I could find a couple of these in the yard I need a couple of superchargers for my mopar 470 project in my aspen station wagon
whatever this is it sounds manic ;) how many do you need just curious?
So all I would would need generally would be the fuel rail supercharger and lower intake?
To install a supercharger? For a top swap you would also need the supercharger pulleys/mounts and an SC crank pulley. Since the injectors go into the heads on the SC engine, you would either need heads from a supercharged engine or a modified intake with a modified rail like the kit ZZP sells. Then finally, a 2 bar MAP sensor and a PCM re-tune.
just turbo it....
Some Guy superchargers also rob mega hp, heat the air charge up big time (can't intercool) and have crap power gains. Size the turbo right and you will woop a supercharger and get more mpg.
Compression on N/A engine I've read is too high for top swap supercharger. I'd love to just do this to my regal but I got a complete drive train for 500 with computer and harness. Tell me otherwise if I'm wrong. 97 regal going to be s/c with fresh rebuilt 4t65e-hd tranny.
Frank Glasgow the compression won't be that big of a deal.
Did you have the rotating assembly balanced?
No, doesn't really matter for this build.....
Where did you get your pistons. Are they forged. Also what timing chain roller and cam did you use. I am building an l36 right now and cant find reasonable forged pistons.
They were all stock replacement parts from rockauto.
Cam was a VS cam from zzp/comp cams.
Hello, what is the cost to rebuild that engine?
What kinda power did this make. Wanting to do a build for my Fiero.
I 0wn a couple of Grand Prix`s about how expensive how expensive is it to do a supercharging installation from ground up I have a few ideas I have for one of my Grand Prix GTs
Would love to show you a few pictures but I can't seem to find out how on my phone
Nice! But when u rebuild a motor, I don't play dance music through it, it's METALICA ALL THEY WAY! You have OCD just like me! Clean parts, well lubed camshaft, etc... Good job! You could eat off of any part of that engine! Did u forget one bolt for the waterpump??
Could've done without the orange color personally. Silver color yes, and powder coated.
Looks good
Is the timing belt and chain the as the 2006 Pontiac Grand Prix ?
Not sure if it was identical from the factory, but they are definitely compatible. Everywhere I checked listed the same part for the series 3 and the series 2.
These 3800 engines only have a chain.
cool music!
What is it?
What are you putting it in?
Interesting build, almost interesting channel, maybe if you’re 17 and just got your first Buick handed down from grandma. Needs more content I was interested in the 3800 rebuild but after assembly it fell flat. Why is there no dunno video? How much power is it making? Lots of emptiness
hi good vid. ive got a question. do u remember how the com lobes run? does it go exh.intake.intake exh. need 2 know hav custom rods 2 different lengths. any idea.
Wow, looks good! Going to be building a 3800 supercharged engine for my Fiero eventually. It has one in there right now that has 220k miles. Want to rebuild a lower mileage one with some mods.
luv the fuel pressure gague, been trying to find one with no luck. remember where u got yours from?
So i've got this 96 olds LS....
Same
Not to sound stupid but its this the same engine as an 3.8 in the mustang v6?
Did anyone else notice the valve covers are on the wrong side....oil filler should be on the drivers side or on the front so you can put oil in easier..you dont want it on the back like they have it...did it myself..unless it going in a Fiero
You must have missed my Fiero in the background at the end.
hi on the 3800 do u remember how the cam lobes run is it intake exh exh intake?
roughly how much did it cost you guys to do this?
What is the intake manifold bolt pattern
How did it run prior to getting the cam dynoed in?
good vid how did u go about initial start up to build oil pressure.
Ooooh. Prriiitty!
What year series is the motor
Im getting a chevy impala ls 2008 and i was wondering if you could fix a v8 engine in the car because i want to do an engine sway and put a supercharger on it do u think it will fix?
I'm doing a build on my 99 camaro with the 3800 series 2 in it here soon. I have the Eaton m90 supercharger I plan to install, cam etc. Now with the supercharger, it'll have no problem bolting up with stock internals right? If you have any info on this it would be greatly appreciated.
You'll find a lot of info and a list of all the parts you'll need if you do a search for "3800 series 2 top swap". The 3800 performance group on Facebook is also a good resource. In addition to the regular part list you'll also need to deal with the fact that the intake on the supercharger will be pointing backwards. plenty of people have made it work though. There were also Australian cars that came that way stock, but the special supercharger is hard to find elsewhere in the world. As far as internals, it is the same as a normal top swap. The compression will be higher and the components are a little weaker, so the tune needs to be a bit more conservative, but not by much and there is actually potential for more power.
Dominic Florer I appreciate the input!
Dominic Florer I appreciate the input!
Get a donor motor from a junk yard and completly build it and take your time to do it right and youll have a fun toy
To add to what Dominic said because he's right, you can fabricate a rear mount turbo setup. I did it and I can take pictures and post them if you'd like, it gained about 110 pounds of torque and 90 hp to the rear wheels the only changes to the engine where fuel injectors, fuel pump, and than valve springs because one broke during tuning and I'm lucky the engine wasn't damaged. Finding someone to tune it was the hardest part for me, everyone if biased towards the LS1 because it produces more hp per a pound of boost, it has more aftermarket support, and they probably have a baseline tune for any LS1 turbo build you can think of making it easier money for the tuner because it will take less time to tune.
Would one of these super chargers help a mild 350 any if I made it work on one?I have one sitting around an a friend said he could fab a intake to mount it on.
I think the super charger would be to small displacement for a 350, but you never know keep asking around
Jared Alexander ok thanks for the imput,I have seen one mounted on a slant 6,looked pretty cool.
@@jessicawells5145 samee I think I have too I was on here cause I have a Vulcan 3.0l ford ranger an It looked the same lol but i think v8 is just the way to go
Jared Alexander too small , you need old b@m 144 charger if mild cast engine or the 162 which need forged pistons and crank better oiling . Or check on line lots new but pricy
Is that a series 2 3.8?
Is it just the camera setup or did he have the valve covers mixed up?
Engine went in a Fiero so you need to swap the valve covers in order to fill it with oil.....
a must do is check that the crank is round and not egged shaped or just flush the 4 thousand down the toilet
He put a brand new crank in it
Should I replace the balance shaft bearings?
Probably not worth the effort. I haven't really heard of them wearing out.
Would a 3800 fit in a S10? I've only seen them in fwd vehicles....
You can make it fit. Get the drivetrain out of an f-body Camaro or Firebird
i wonder if i can replace my '91 park ave 3800 series 1 with this engine since it died recently
i wish i had money
What kind of price tag was this?
I got 2 questions first is this the v6 engine from a firebird 3800 and second what kind of supercharger is it want to build my own?
This is a front wheel drive platform 3800 out of a Pontiac Grand Prix GTP. I dont think the Firebird ever came with a supercharger. I have heard the australians had a rear wheel drive 3800 supercharged so you might want to start there with your research but I dont know what you would need to complete the conversion you are asking about, sorry about that.
Your firebird has an L36 3800. I dont think this is an L36 exactly, but there are parts out there like this for your motor. I also have a 3800 fbody, and superchargers are hard to put on these things because of the lack of room. IMO, the best way to get more air into an fbody is a custom exhaust manifold that brings a turbo up to the front of the motor where the AC is (consider an AC delete). If you do this, you'll have a ton of room because these engines are really tucked in. If you really insist on a supercharger, there is one that will fit onto an L36, but its air intake is on the opposite side from the pulley, and i'm not sure how much fabrication that will take. Its on the L67 3800.
what Rear Wheel drive transmissions can this engine be mated to? I want to put one in my Jeep CJ7
not sure, but since GM trannys were interchangeable, and this would have come with a 60e, there is a manual that S-10s had, AR5 I think it was...might want to check that
4l60e 3.8 bellhousing
I want to rebuild one to make about 300 to the wheels if possible. any pointers?
300whp is some work to achieve supercharged, turbo no problem. I've heard a lot of people say that the stock lower end is good to 600, so I don't think anything too extreme is required rebuild wise. On mine (the one in the video), I did use series 3 connecting rods and they seem much nicer than the series 2 cast ones.
Dominic Florer it'll still be a while before I do it. do you mind if I contact you when I do? I've done work on cars but it will be my first engine rebuild.
No problem, I'm no expert and this was my first rebuild too.
V8
How much horse power you get out of that V6???
Probably around 250 to be conservitive. A new supercharger and intake showed up in the mail, so that will be installed soon.
cardesinr keep me posted bro
Someone with the same swap and similar mods just had theirs dyno'd at 290rwhp. Once we install the genV supercharger and tune it I'm figuring it'll put me right at 300rwhp.
Is this the engine from a 1996 chevy camaro rs 3.8L?
Yes kinda. They are both 3800 Series 2, so the block is identical. However this is the supercharged version, so the heads, crank, rods, pistons, cam, etc are slightly different.
How much for one of those engines built exactly like that one it's going in an 08 Pontiac G6 GT
Where can I buy one of these?
hi mate can u please tell me where the vac lines on the boost cont valve travel 2 on a l67 engine.
The top fitting goes to pre-blower vacuum. This pulls the bypass valve open when vacuum is high (throttle closed). The bottom can be left open, or connected to the boost bypass solenoid, which uses post-blower boost to force the bypass open when in reverse or neutral. Hope this helps!
what gearbox did you bolt onto it?
An F23 5 speed from a 2002 sunfire.
How many days did it take
What’s your manifold? I’m curious if it might fit a 2.8
No it is a completely different engine family. The only bolt on supercharger ever made for the 60 degree V6 was the Fageol Supercharger. They are hard to find but do pop up on ebay from time to time.
To make this specific blower work your best bet would be to modify the lower manifold of a Camaro and weld a supercharger base to it. Not even sure if it will work but its worth a look.
WE GOT SIMILAR ENGINE'S IN AUSTRALIA THERE CALLED GMH HOLDEN COMMODORE ECOTEC 3.8 V6 SUPERCHARGED AS WELL
You got any intakes laying around?
Why did you decide to not go the intercooler route also while building it also what size pulley will you be running?
I will do inter cooled eventually. It's a bit trickier in a Fiero, but I have some plans for how to set it up. When I do it, I'll be making my own aluminum fuel rails and possibly my own inter cooler. Its a 3.5 pulley right now, I'm not sure what it'll end up at when I go to the gen V.
Oh ok didn't know this was going in a fiero i just get excited seeing the l67 being built lol yeah the gen v is the way to go.
Dominic Florer water cooled intercooled is a good way