DUNE MESSIAH - REVIEW
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- Опубліковано 28 чер 2024
- First time reading DUNE MESSIAH.
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61 billion souls sent straight to paradise by the Chadishah Emperor himself.
- 90 sterilized planets & 40 religions
What a GigaChad
Paul foresaw a horrifying future: Billions must die.
All heil the emperor
The navigators, the floaty fish man breathing spice, are humans. Just a unique breeding of humans subject to extreme amounts of spice.
A running thing through the Dune books is the extent that humanity can be pushed to. Bene Gesserit and their training and breeding programs producing Paul is one of those, but the first book has the Mentat, the spacing guild is another, and the shape shifters are the Bene tailax are another.
The ending of this book is one my favorites in any media ever, Paul basically becomes what Messiahs of our world are: Myths which fate itself is unclear and left ambiguous for religious veneration
One of my favourite things about the Dune fandom is how everyone basically has their own pronunciation of names and weird shit Herbert made up. Even the movies can’t agree on it. 🤣
on that last point, is this Kwisatz Hadorach (however tf you spell it) one of them?
My favorite part of the book was when Paul started to compare himself to Gengish & Hitler. The fact that he felt somewhat sympathy for those tyrants before him was a mind-blowing thing to read but just goes to show how tragic his ascension to power was
Wait, this is set in our universe? I thought it was a completely different fantasy universe, I haven’t heard Earth ever mentioned in any of these reviews, I thought this took place on completely different worlds. Why is he bringing up the H-dog.
@@InfamyOrDeath-__-house atreides came from a noble family in greece
sounds based
@@InfamyOrDeath-__-Dune is in our universe, thousands of years in the future. Everyone in Dune is human just with some evolutionary changes .
@@InfamyOrDeath-__- it is loosely based on our timeline but with imperialism structure. Earth for some reason is known as Terra but apart from some other minor changes, it's the same. Check out Dune encyclopedia for timelines of major events before the dune saga
I find Herbert's descriptions of the religious bureaucracy that has built around Paul completely fascinating..
Most of which isnt actively being pushed by him.. but rather alia and the Qizarate.
I finished this book in just a few days, I was hooked from start to finish. It felt more like an epilogue and wasn't as grand or "epic" as the first one, but I loved it regardless. The stone burner scene was super intense, and I loved the ending so much. I saw Paul as a slave to his prescience and upbringing, and his dependency on it was way too much for any person to handle, and it took its toll, it brought him down a really dark path. That's why I love the ending, where he gives up the prescience, and ventures out into the desert alone. He's blind, has nothing left, but he's finally free from everything, and I'm assuming it's the best he's ever felt in a really long time. Power corrupted him, and being brought down to "just a man" out on the desert was something he happily accepted. Whether he lives or dies out there doesn't matter, his Jihad left its mark and his name will forever be etched into humanity's history. It's such a beautiful end to Paul's character arc, and I can't wait to see it adapted, and I'm curious how people will react to it.
Gonna take a small break then going onto Children of Dune, I'm not as hyped to read this one if I'm honest since I was really invested in Paul's story, but I'll give it a chance. At the very least I want to finish the books that Frank Herbert wrote, I'm not sure if I would want to continue on with what his son wrote after hearing about some of the stuff that was changed, like the butlerian juhad being an actual evil AI terminator threat instead On a side note I wonder if Eren Jager was inspired by Paul, there's so many similarities it's crazy. The visions, the genocide, wanting to be free. All that
I'm on 4th book. I won't lie it took me a while to become invested in the characters, and I reluctantly read it, but like the first book I just hooked, it's a great arc to a lot of the plots and ideas in the first two books. Then book 4 just goes to another level. You won't regret reading Children of Dune I promise.
Can't wait until you finish book 4 it's my favorite along with the first
God Emperor is the best book of the series
I'm currently half way through it....still can't believe a human being concocted this insane acid trip
The first 2 books were great but somehow the philosophy & commentary quadruple on CoD & GEoD
The author wrote this book because fans took the first one at face value and he really wanted to drive the message home. This is also probably why Tolkien didn't like Dune, because it warns against messiah figures while LOTR embraces them.
No, its because Herbert only writes shallow allegories for his political opinions, like a redditor would. Tolkien said extensively that he disliked allegory and he was writing about universal themes and experiences.
@@j.2512 herbert is objevtively a pretty dang good writer. You might not like his books, but they really aren't shallow. And I'm a massive tolkien fan as well.
I think a lot of people who praise Villeneuve's change to Chani in part 2 have never read Dune and/or Dune Messiah. They apply this modern atheistic thinking to Arrakis as though they have universities and colleges where ideas can be discussed, but it's not like that at all. It's basically feudalism in space, if you look at the toughest places on Earth they are all majorly religious and people do not have time to philosophize or debate ideas, freedom of speech etc like in the west. Arrakis is hardcore, but I feel the screenwrites and Villeneuve wanted so bad to reflect current times so hard so as to not lose the audience.... If Chani bowed down at the end against all her own feelings and issues if the prophecy I would've loved the movie so much more. Just that single act has changed the events of Messiah so much so I think part 3 is going to be 50% completely made up BS and more popcorn action scenes, fighting in space... They're taking one of the most philosophical fictional sagas ever written and misconstrued it to "Colonizers bad, Indigenous people good" "Paul bad, Chani good" removing all the nuance in the books and reducing it to caricature action movie. Got the book totally wrong.
You absolutely nailed it. Great insight
@RealLifeRyan Edric was a Spacing Guild navigator. He was human and wasn't just sitting there "getting high" off the spice, navigators are so addicted to and mutated by it that they literally need to live in tanks full of concentrated spice gas. These mutations and super concentrations of spice are what give them the abilities to predict (with prescience like Paul, but not as capable) a safe path through folded space. These abilities are also mostly why he was included in the meeting, his abilities create a kind of shroud around him that keeps other prescient people (like Paul) from being able to "see" the meeting and people involved, He was a high ranking member of the guild but his inclusion in the conspiracy was just as a shield to hide the other people so Paul couldn't use his prescience to find them out.
Thank you!! Did not know this in new to Dune
Im particulary curious seeing the navigator in the next movie. It has the potential to look extremely disturbing and memorable.
wait until you get to GOD EMPEROR and he doesnt die
Loved Dune Messiah and love seeing your enthusiasm for Dune! All the characters in Dune are human, there are no aliens. Keep going and prepare yourself for much more weirdness and unexpected turns .
Currently the last book I read before I took a brief break to read another book series I started. Seeing this is fun as I get to see someone else's thoughts on the book to see what matches mine.
Even though it's tiny compared to the first book. Messiah is glacially slow. You get about 2/3 of the way through and you realize it's just been endless scenes of people talking in different rooms. Then all of a sudden it's pandemonium. lol
Denis Dune 3 is girl boss brings down Paul. “ He is not of the Desert.” Total re-write except a few points. No offspring, so another Director couldn’t do Children of Dune and continue all 6 Frank Herbert’s books.
I KNEW IT!! I hated Chani in the movie and now I know why.
You’re burning right through these books, I know God Emperor is the meme one but I’m actually most interested to hear your thoughts on Children of Dune.
Also, I watched the Lynch Dune after reading the first book but before reading Dune Messiah…I immediately imagined Edric as being just like he was in the film because of that. Also I visualized the dwarf as The Arm from Twin Peaks because of that Lynch connection….
Fish man is one of many Spacing Guild Navigators. They consume spice to look into the future and plot a safe way through space. In Denis movie Chani is going to be Paul’s enemy. Idaho is not returning as a gholem or at all. No Mentants. No Spacing Guild or Navigators? No Face Dancers. No return of the Baron through Alia’s past memory exploration. It is going to be woke girl boss Denis Dune 3. Before Paul goes into the Desert he kills his mother Jessica.
Yep, woke girl boss is coming for sure.
I am so glad your experiencing dune bro I love your channel please keep reading !!!
The book felt short enough that it could have been part of Dune, like this could have been the fourth section of the first book.
Totally, it was basically the epilogue.
I always saw it as a bridge between Dune & Children of Dune
Excellent recap Ryan! Makes me want to reread the book again!
You are not wrong to be confused about the navigators. In the first Dune books there are two navigators in the Emperor's entourage, there only unique trait is that their eyes are more blue than Fremen eyes. Obviously, Edric is portrayed quite differently, but is still human. One of several retcons that occur across the first 3 books.
I am about to start book 1 I am very excited, however it is taking ages for them to deliver it because it's delayed..
Great stuff. Thank you!
Glad to hear and see so much appreciation for Dune Messiah. I had literally devoured it, not just because of it being shorter, but because I was really fascinated by Paul's character journey, the plot with all the scheming, and the commentary on power and faith.
I believe you should also like Children of Dune and definitely God Emperor of Dune.
I don’t plan on reading any dune books, but I will watch and like Ryan’s videos about them. Gimme them tldrs
There are very good audio books of all 6 of Frank’s books. Avoid Frank’s son’s books. 27 of them.
Children of Dune is my favorite so far. I think you're gonna like it more than Messiah. xD
Finished the first, found the first 3 for $15, reading Messiah now. Super into it already, with the conspiracy scene in the beginning
He’s a guild navigator
I really like that Dracula is in this video.
Enjoyed the book as well. Heard Messiah was considered a low point in the series. If that is the case then I am excited to keep reading. Good recap.
No chani died cuz she started taking spice remember in the fremen ritual not from Irulan poison.
Damn this book is crazy, theme wise.
I knew you were reading it!
I enjoyed Messiah, but it's not a patch on the original.
18:34 well, about that...
This was written ten years before Star Wars.
The way the stone burner scene was described was so cool. Can’t wait to see how they handle that in the eventual film.
That will make it into Denis re-written version.
Frank Herbert is god tier. I love his series the most. It’s a bummer the his son Brian, finished the story with two book. It fell off so much that I felt a bit ill after finishing. I wish they can make a anime of Frank’s work. 🤗
I totally agree with what you said how it would be a movie it is very dragging and I found it boring since I like more action
It definitely sounds like a very interesting story, so the next book doesn’t even follow Paul anymore? So this is really a massive story spanning many lifetimes.
Hey man sorry for coming into another comment section but can you continue the one piece reviews? i really liked them and was looking forward to hear about it
I think he dropped one piece cause he wasn’t into it
I haven't read it. But I can't miss your video
🙏
Please read Children of Dune the next novel.
❤
I'm same as U bro makes no sense I hope Denis Villeneuve doesn't ruin this book I love this story.. I finally see Paul as he is a human being like everyone else who just wants to love n love such a tragic story of Paul and chani in worried for dune part 3
We finished at the same time. Pause. Good review
Movie ain't even out yet
Starwars came after this brother
30 seconds in!
Ryan this is cutting into manga time, we’re very displeased, you could have read Worlds End Harem Fantasia, just think about that.
There are zero aliens in dune zero
That’s what makes it special it’s a human story
When I was a young man, after my first battle, I thought the idea of a "Jihad" was ridiculous.
Nothing was holy about war, it was a nightmare.
Now, that I'm the Lisan Al Gaib, I'm like a "Holy war-Sure!"
I will have plenty of time to... win it and come back home to my wife.
Lets send them all to paradise! They refused my ascendency! "Lisan Al Gaib!
Sounding kinda Gholaphobic bro. 😂🎉
Yo, I have 40-yr old news for you... there's another book that will solve about 150% of you'd doubts: Children of Dune. Honestly, you really, really, REALLY, should read the book again, then, read Children of Dune, then see this video again, and make a review of the review.... I would really like to see it.
Dune miniseries n children of dune miniseries both adapt the first 3 books made by SciFi channel. It's pretty good. Came out 2000 and 2003.
3:56 People keep saying that word in reviews, but what does that mean? No one actually says what it means, is it just a title? I can’t even spell it but I don’t even know what you’re saying.
The Lisan al Gaib is basically the Fremen people's prophecied messiah figure, which they believe Paul to be.
@@nickbuckman6765Ok thanks a lot, people always say it in the reviews but I never knew what they’re talking about.
lisan: voice
al ghaib: the unseen
for IRL term lisan al ghaib actually mean the tongue/voice of the unseen, as in metaphysical supernatural voice. in Herbert's Dune, the "unseen" interpretated as the outer world or off planet (arrakis). It's a messianic ploy that has been injected into Fremen faith & culture by Bene Gesserit as their protection during "missionaria protectiva" around the galaxies.
Yeah, 3rd one won’t be anywhere near Messiah - it’s too impractical and with the changes he’ll have to make their own and own story except for Paul’s arc / story/ foundation. Won’t be surprised it’s called part III. Not even Messiah. Interested in seeing Scytale but feels like that’d be more in their heads than real shapeshifter. No way in hell Duncan is coming back lol
I'm wondering if they'll show the holy wars rather than doing a time skip.
@@KujoPainting sounds like it’s possible though he doesn’t spend too much time on war scenes with details seemed to be obliteration from both sides in1 and 2. Unless holy war and political stuff and religious things happening simultaneously. Then a time jump
ah messiah the book were the protagonist failed
Not necessarily. Highly depends on the definition of failing