I really can't see how Villeneuve can turn this book into a movie blockbuster. Paul is no longer a hero, not much action and it has a sad ending. People who like the book may like the film but the casual movie goer will be disappointed.
My only guess is maybe Villeneuve plays up the jihad in the time jump and makes the attacks on Paul more actiony? He definitely fleshed out the battles in Dune, whereas Frank could not have cared less about the battles haha
it is worth reading Children Of Dune, it still follows the same characters from the original novel and both jessica and gurney return. It is my least favorite Dune novel but others do love it and worth giving it a try. For most people the best Dune novel is between Dune and God Emperor Of Dune.
Some people say it goes downhill after the first book, some after the second, and third. I'd recommend just reading them until you just can't get into one. For me, that one was Heretics. Not saying it's a bad book, but it just didn't grip me like the others did.
Misconceptions and lies. The books go downhill when stupid son Brian takes over. Every book by Frank Herbert is awesome and stop pushing lies from people who never read past the first novel. The 6 novels are awesome.
You have to at least read Children, if not God Emperor as well. If you enjoy and want to see what happens after the events of GEoD, then continue and read the last two. Personally, I think Children, and for the most part GEoD, are a complete story for Paul etc. After that you're so separated from the original characters it's a bit difficult to get into. I also believe the first 3 books are much stronger than the last 3.
@@bilbobagend8155Frank Herbert’s wife got sicker so he spent less time writing but needed money so he didn’t redraft as much. The books are still good, just not as polished.
I felt the exact same way when I read it! The narrative really does feel disconnected and ethereal. I couldn't quite put my finger on what it was but you totally nailed it, like peering through window! Children of Dune feels more in the room style. The writing does a much better job of setting the scene and painting the pictures of what's going on in an engaging way! If you liked Messiah you'll love the next one!
You at least gotta read Children of Dune to see the other characters come into the picture. Without spoiling, you get the plot/character closure for the whole ensemble that it sounds like you were missing from Messiah. Then if you really like the philosophy of Messiah, read God Emperor. I think where Children is the plot/character climax of the Atraides Empire arc, God Emperor is the logical conclusion of all the themes. More of a thematic climax. These first four Dune books make such an amazing contained saga of man striving for godhood!
I really enjoyed Messiah. Some of the imagery is amazing. So downbeat but I think this was what Herbert was getting at in that Paul is not a hero. It feels like a fitting end. It’s a good bridge between parts 1 and 3. It doesn’t feel like a standalone novel but as the proper conclusion to the first book.
Nice review! I know I need to read Dune soon, and see the movies - but I was unsure if I’d read any later books. Based on this I think I’ll just plan to read all the Frank Herbert books until one of them sucks!
Great review! I really love Frank Herbert's Dune series it's very philosophical and weird. I got to admit I actually enjoyed all the weirdness in the concluding books.
What you've just read is a VERY old kind of story. It's a modern Greek tragedy that echoes many of the themes taken on by classical Greek playwrights in THEIR original adaptations (for the stage) of orally transmitted myths that predated them by centuries. Even the name "Atreides" is a clue: in Greek myth, it refers to a multi-generational "curse of the gods" visited upon the "House of Atreus". Frank Herbert knew this, of course, and his first four books of the Dune series do depict a multi-generational curse of sorts. Suffice it to say that "Messiah" is not the end of the story - not even of Paul's story - since it is ultimately Paul's feet of clay in NOT "doing what must be done" (in words Paul utters in Villeneuve's Part II) that condemns his own son to a terrible fate...
I felt the same exact way about the water of life thing (when watching the movie not reading the book) cause the transition from "good" to "bad" was so Quick n jarring I didn't quite understand it
Nice video Mr. Toasty! I read Dune and really wanted to like it, but I couldn't get into the writing style, when that is the case it might be better to try it on audiobook to see if I like it. Peace.
I didn't read it either but I just finished listening to the audio book on audible and it was very good! Very long though, like 23 hours. It's the only audio book and series I enjoy listening to so far.
Gurney hallack is in Children of dune bro children of dune lady Jessica comes back too. Its awesome please if u enjoyed dune then read children of dune its an epic story please read children of dune u get the whole groip from dune like u are disappointed u get it in next book children of dune. Please resd children of dune its an epic story. Its great ebding please read children of dune.
Paul story is told over dune, dune messiah and ends in children of dune Paul's son born in dune messiah main character of children of dune and story concludes in God Emperor of Dune Last 2 books focus on the sisterhood and how the effects n causes of what Paul n Leto II did to the universe. So if U read Paul's story gotta end at children of dune to get a clear picture If U wanna continue with his son and understand the whole point of dune n where Paul was heading then read up to god Emperor of Dune but if U wanna know what happens in 1500 years into the future then read the last 2 books. Dune is complex and covers thousands of years. If Ur gonna read Paul's story read messiah and children of dune.
Your wrong dune messiah is not a complete story its the transition book if U read dune messiah U have to read children of dune that story ends all plot points n characters that started in dune all come to a conclusion in children of dune. If U read messiah gotta read children too. It only gets real weird from book 4 onwards set 35,000 years in the future so children of dune is a good place to end not dune messiah. Don't believe the misconceptions about the other novels that are great don't listen to the lies read it for yourself. Read children of dune it ends Paul's story n story of most characters introduced in dune.
Children of dune is written more like dune. Children of dune has action and is epic. Children of dune is as epic as the first dune novel. Please read children of dune U get Paul's ending and get a clearer vision of dune please read children of dune U get an villain please read.children of dune.
No its not.....paul story continues in children of dune. Dont know where u got ur facts from but messiah doesnt end pauls story his story ends in children of dune. Read children of dune cant stress this enough please read Children of dune.
Definitely read children of dune, I think if you wanna read more than the first book then you have to get to God Emperor. That said, the reveal that Paul's story continues is essentially a spoiler
@@SubBassX but if I don't say that they won't ever read past messiah never know so it's either spoil it for them so they will read it or not spoil it for them n they won't ever read it.
@@travisgray8376 i gotcha, I just don't like spoilers. I'd have said it in a more subtle way. I just feel like it ruins the mystery of who the Preacher is. Maybe suggest that you have to read children to fully understand Paul's character and choices, or something like that
@@SubBassX Ur probably right I'm bad with words but I should said differently but children needs to be read it's an amazing book love the introspective of stilgar U see him as grown alot since dune I love how book opens up.
“Paul considers himself the worst dictator in history”
Leto II: Hold my spice
Leto II isn’t a dictator, He’s a God Emperor.
Yes! I like Messiah more as well. You said many of the same thoughts and sentiments i have.
I'll die on the hill that God Emperor of Dune is the best book in the series.
Best ending for sure - that whole bridge scene will be burned in my mind forever “I believe”
Dune messiah is still my favorite of the dunes till this day (god-emperor right now).
I really can't see how Villeneuve can turn this book into a movie blockbuster. Paul is no longer a hero, not much action and it has a sad ending. People who like the book may like the film but the casual movie goer will be disappointed.
My only guess is maybe Villeneuve plays up the jihad in the time jump and makes the attacks on Paul more actiony? He definitely fleshed out the battles in Dune, whereas Frank could not have cared less about the battles haha
it is worth reading Children Of Dune, it still follows the same characters from the original novel and both jessica and gurney return. It is my least favorite Dune novel but others do love it and worth giving it a try. For most people the best Dune novel is between Dune and God Emperor Of Dune.
yes!!!! and book 6 is the best
book SIX?????
@@toastytowns yes
I liked how Messiah tuned into Paul’s journey and inner conflict as the story progressed.
If you want to continue the Dune series, at least read Children of Dune and God Emperor of Dune. The series goes downhill after that.
Some people say it goes downhill after the first book, some after the second, and third. I'd recommend just reading them until you just can't get into one. For me, that one was Heretics. Not saying it's a bad book, but it just didn't grip me like the others did.
Misconceptions and lies. The books go downhill when stupid son Brian takes over. Every book by Frank Herbert is awesome and stop pushing lies from people who never read past the first novel. The 6 novels are awesome.
@@travisgray8376 I personally didn't enjoy Books 5 and 6, but these things are subjective.
You have to at least read Children, if not God Emperor as well. If you enjoy and want to see what happens after the events of GEoD, then continue and read the last two. Personally, I think Children, and for the most part GEoD, are a complete story for Paul etc. After that you're so separated from the original characters it's a bit difficult to get into. I also believe the first 3 books are much stronger than the last 3.
@@bilbobagend8155Frank Herbert’s wife got sicker so he spent less time writing but needed money so he didn’t redraft as much. The books are still good, just not as polished.
I felt the exact same way when I read it! The narrative really does feel disconnected and ethereal. I couldn't quite put my finger on what it was but you totally nailed it, like peering through window! Children of Dune feels more in the room style. The writing does a much better job of setting the scene and painting the pictures of what's going on in an engaging way! If you liked Messiah you'll love the next one!
Seconding this!
I can't wait to make it Brian Herbert's Dune, just to see how bad it supposedly is 😄
Have you read any Frank Herbert outside of Dune? I suggest Destination: Void & White Plague. Def keep going with the six Dune books tho 🙏🏼☺️
You'll get Jessica in Children of Dune
Finally a Messiah youtube review where 60% of the video isn't just the youtuber recapping the plot. Seriously, what is up with that.
You at least gotta read Children of Dune to see the other characters come into the picture. Without spoiling, you get the plot/character closure for the whole ensemble that it sounds like you were missing from Messiah. Then if you really like the philosophy of Messiah, read God Emperor. I think where Children is the plot/character climax of the Atraides Empire arc, God Emperor is the logical conclusion of all the themes. More of a thematic climax. These first four Dune books make such an amazing contained saga of man striving for godhood!
I really enjoyed Messiah. Some of the imagery is amazing. So downbeat but I think this was what Herbert was getting at in that Paul is not a hero. It feels like a fitting end.
It’s a good bridge between parts 1 and 3. It doesn’t feel like a standalone novel but as the proper conclusion to the first book.
After reading Children of Dune and God Emperor of Dune, revist this video and realize everything you said is wrong. It is crazy storytelling.
This is not the rap up for paul brother.you need to children of dune.
Nice review! I know I need to read Dune soon, and see the movies - but I was unsure if I’d read any later books. Based on this I think I’ll just plan to read all the Frank Herbert books until one of them sucks!
Stumbled on this video in my recommended for some reason. Very much enjoyed it and you have singlehandedly convinced me to read it
Thank you!!!
Great review! I really love Frank Herbert's Dune series it's very philosophical and weird. I got to admit I actually enjoyed all the weirdness in the concluding books.
What you've just read is a VERY old kind of story.
It's a modern Greek tragedy that echoes many of the themes taken on by classical Greek playwrights in THEIR original adaptations (for the stage) of orally transmitted myths that predated them by centuries.
Even the name "Atreides" is a clue: in Greek myth, it refers to a multi-generational "curse of the gods" visited upon the "House of Atreus".
Frank Herbert knew this, of course, and his first four books of the Dune series do depict a multi-generational curse of sorts.
Suffice it to say that "Messiah" is not the end of the story - not even of Paul's story - since it is ultimately Paul's feet of clay in NOT "doing what must be done" (in words Paul utters in Villeneuve's Part II) that condemns his own son to a terrible fate...
I felt the same exact way about the water of life thing (when watching the movie not reading the book) cause the transition from "good" to "bad" was so Quick n jarring I didn't quite understand it
Once the stone burner goes off the story stayed at an 11 for me.
CHILDREN OF DUNE!!!!!!!! This is the wrap up of Paul's story.....
T h i s
Nice video Mr. Toasty! I read Dune and really wanted to like it, but I couldn't get into the writing style, when that is the case it might be better to try it on audiobook to see if I like it. Peace.
I didn't read it either but I just finished listening to the audio book on audible and it was very good! Very long though, like 23 hours.
It's the only audio book and series I enjoy listening to so far.
Gurney hallack is in Children of dune bro children of dune lady Jessica comes back too. Its awesome please if u enjoyed dune then read children of dune its an epic story please read children of dune u get the whole groip from dune like u are disappointed u get it in next book children of dune. Please resd children of dune its an epic story. Its great ebding please read children of dune.
Paul story is told over dune, dune messiah and ends in children of dune
Paul's son born in dune messiah main character of children of dune and story concludes in God Emperor of Dune
Last 2 books focus on the sisterhood and how the effects n causes of what Paul n Leto II did to the universe.
So if U read Paul's story gotta end at children of dune to get a clear picture
If U wanna continue with his son and understand the whole point of dune n where Paul was heading then read up to god Emperor of Dune but if U wanna know what happens in 1500 years into the future then read the last 2 books. Dune is complex and covers thousands of years. If Ur gonna read Paul's story read messiah and children of dune.
Your wrong dune messiah is not a complete story its the transition book if U read dune messiah U have to read children of dune that story ends all plot points n characters that started in dune all come to a conclusion in children of dune. If U read messiah gotta read children too. It only gets real weird from book 4 onwards set 35,000 years in the future so children of dune is a good place to end not dune messiah. Don't believe the misconceptions about the other novels that are great don't listen to the lies read it for yourself. Read children of dune it ends Paul's story n story of most characters introduced in dune.
Jessica and gurney both come back in children of dune please read children of dune.
Children of dune is written more like dune. Children of dune has action and is epic. Children of dune is as epic as the first dune novel. Please read children of dune U get Paul's ending and get a clearer vision of dune please read children of dune U get an villain please read.children of dune.
Read children of dune it continues closer to Messiah but uts the epic story. Children of dune has slot more action please read Children of dune.
No its not.....paul story continues in children of dune. Dont know where u got ur facts from but messiah doesnt end pauls story his story ends in children of dune. Read children of dune cant stress this enough please read Children of dune.
Definitely read children of dune, I think if you wanna read more than the first book then you have to get to God Emperor.
That said, the reveal that Paul's story continues is essentially a spoiler
@@SubBassX but if I don't say that they won't ever read past messiah never know so it's either spoil it for them so they will read it or not spoil it for them n they won't ever read it.
@@travisgray8376 i gotcha, I just don't like spoilers. I'd have said it in a more subtle way. I just feel like it ruins the mystery of who the Preacher is. Maybe suggest that you have to read children to fully understand Paul's character and choices, or something like that
@@SubBassX Ur probably right I'm bad with words but I should said differently but children needs to be read it's an amazing book love the introspective of stilgar U see him as grown alot since dune I love how book opens up.
@@travisgray8376 i agree. I'm surprised when people are turned off by that book, it's really exciting and you learn alot about the Dune universe in it