I'm reading reviews from amazon and some are saying if you own the silmarillion or some other books you don't need this one. And also that this one has incomplete stories. Have you read it yet and confirm this?
I love how the historians of middle earth don't consider literally reshaping the entire planet from a flat plane to a globe worthy of declaring the start of a new age, but cutting off some guy's ring is entirely worthy of it.
Uh? Tolkien defined the ages in function of the enemies of the middle earth. The first age ended with Morgoth being thrown into the void and the second age begun with the fall of Numenor (caused by Sauron) and ended with his defeat.
The perfect book for any Tolkien-accurate fan looking for a more chronological compendium of the Second Age of Middle Earth. It's amazing how many people thought this was going to be some sort of new canon as a result of Amazon's show, where on earth would they have received such a terrible rumor.
@@FlynntheHuman602 The film series and tv show are their own thing; separate and an adaptation of the Tolkien legendarium. They don't somehow overwrite the cannon of The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings. It's a nice courtesy that the Amazon show tries to stay compatible (from a lore and production design standpoint) with the the New Line film series; it's nice for casual fans who may only have watched Middle-Earth stuff. But for licensing reasons, Amazon's adaptation is separate from New Line's adaptation, which is separate from the original Tolkien legendarium. Of course if we want to split hairs, the only "Official Canon" is The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings. The unfinished works that make up the rest of the legendarium are not internally consistent, as we all well know. Heck, Lord of the Rings wasn't even internally consistent with The Hobbit when it was published, which is why the Hobbit was slightly rewritten for later publications.
@@Doug_Hannon to be honest rings of power doesn’t even stick with the films cannon. Like I would totally get if they just went off the movies for the more casual viewer, but they completely ignored everything, except when trying to get people to recognise elements of the movie trilogy(obviously written greatly inferior) and the books. No clue what rings of power is actually based on apart from being it’s own universe of a badly written unwatchable mess.
@@beeeeeesbury I mean we can just ask if it’s good and Rings if Power misses on that one too. If they wanted to be creatively unlimited they would invent a world and characters of their own and make it somehow interesting to watch E: honestly, I don’t understand the new obsession with buying out big franchises to use the characters as action figures for random scripts. Especially with material that has never been made into this medium before
Finished it last night and I'm head over heels for it. In my opinion it is the best single narrative volume since the Children of Hurin. It works great as a collected story in the vein of the Silmarillion and, as you say, gives a very great "overview"? of the second age. So glad they made this, a great prelude to the tales of the third age we all know and love.
“Hobbits delighted in such things, if they were accurate; they liked to have books filled with things that they already knew, set out fair and square with no contradictions.”
Tolkien stated that not only did he consider the culture of the Hobbits to be superior to all others in the Third Age of Middle Earth, but also that the Hobbits, partially because of their culture, were also uniquely capable of resisting and healing from the effects of evil. He was also a professor of linguistics, with a focus on old English, a field with notoriously unreliable and spotty records for reference. I think it’s kind of funny how he slips a preference for particularly accurate and factual reference books into his ideal society.
Current day prints of all of the Tolkien texts, as well as the Peter Jackson films, wouldn’t have been nearly the same without Alan Lee’s masterful talent of bringing Tolkien’s legacy to life. He’s simple a master who takes his craft as serious of a care as the words in the very texts were written with.
Of all the wonderful Tolkien illustrators over the decades, Alan Lee is my favorite. I remember how much fun it was to go through the centenary edition of The Lord of the Rings, my first exposure to Alan's work.
I have to compliment you on one thing in particular. The fact that you actually SHOW the freaking book. I am an avid book tube watcher and I can't find but a handful of reviewers who actually show the books. Most either yak about or just hold up the book and show the covers. worthless. As someone with no bookstores within a 100 miles and with troublesome eyesight I hate not being able to see the font of books so I can determine if I will even be able to read it. If booktubers are going to review a book then more need to follow your lead and actually review and discuss the ACTUAL book. True of paperbacks, hardbacks, etc. Many of us are buying blind. Totally subscribed!
I would love it if you made a video about making a Tolkein library. Those books you showed at the beginning, and the others like Of Beren and Luthien, are books I want. But keeping track of what's worth owning and which edition is the most authentic (and also has the most Alan Lee art) can be so confusing. For context, I once bought a David Day collection in my ignorance.
I love how they managed to show us the inner workings of the best immortal craftsmen in the world. I’m sure Tolkien kept that a mystery because he didn’t have the depth of mind to suggest more than one alloy be combined. Modern day smiths could learn from this show!
@@magnificus8581 I would not have been shocked if Halbrand had whipped out an iPhone and scrolled through a bunch of twerking girls to show Celebrimbor a 20 second smithing video on tik tok
Loved the whole interview with Brian and that book is definitely a must have. And I hope that the series adapts that drawing of the temple of Melkor with everything and that river of blood
I just received my hard copy today. I’ve been listening to the audiobook and it is excellent! So grateful to those dedicated to compiling and editing Tolkien’s works so we can continue to discover and delight in the incredible depth and stories of Middle Earth.
Great video! What bugs me about the US editions of Tolkien’s latest is that they aren’t in scale with my UK editions - a fell afoul of this when Nature of Middle-earth came out. Thankfully I’ve got my family back in England to kindly pick up the UK edition for me and have it signed by Alan and Brian at Blackwell’s, Oxford 🤩
So a while back, I discovered you can just order from Amazon UK rather than Amazon US. It's great for buying unadulterated versions of books written by UK authors. IDK why, but American publishers insist on Americanizing books for the US market. You can also sometimes get books before they're released in the US.
I have Pre-Ordered, and I am excited for the same reason, We are getting a Merged together all (most) the tales of the Second Age in 1 Book!!! I haven't just looked inside, but Brian Sibley even put it in Chronological Order!!! Man Thanks Brian, Nice Touch!!!!
Thanks for all you do! I got into tolkiens stuff a few years ago and your UA-cam channel has been instrumental in helping me love his world all the more! Keep doing what your doing
Thanks my friend. As I pretty much own an edition (or two) of all of JRR's works, I think this book, well edited by Brian Sibley, will be very much appreciated! note: I purchased the "History of Middle Earth" books as Christopher released each volume, so I envy the smaller footprint of your 3 Vol set, heh. Might I also suggest, you investigate the availability of Vol 13 to that set, which serves as an outstanding 'Index' to not just the "HoME" set but the other vols of the Legendarium as well. When I purchased it, it was still "print on demand" but I believe it has since garnered sufficient success for them to have pre-published editions available from Harper Collins. :) p.s. Dang, yet another Silmarillion for me to purchase (with JRR's artwork)? That's another slam-dunk.
Ordered it. I love the idea of everything about Numenor in one place. The illustrations alone make the book worth it anyways even though I am already buying wayyy too many books and my bank account is being highly pressured right now🤣🤣🤣
Looks amazing. I did enjoy most of Christopher Tolkien's publications, but I prefer the continuous narrative approach like Children of Húrin over the History of Middle-Earth style presented in the subsequent releases. This looks more like the former.
A Tolkien book without appendices is like a Marvel film without an 'after-credits scene' (in fact, I'd contend that Marvel got that idea from Tolkien books 😜 ). I pre-ordered my copy...but it's being delivered to a place I've moved from....can't wait to go collect it!! Excited!
Pre-ordered the book & am really looking forward to reading it. Already excited just watching you page through it. Should cut down on the “book-jumping” I usually do!!
That's why I'm not watching this video and just perusing the comments while listening. I don't want electronic viewing spoilers. Also my laptop doesn't smell anything like a book.
I hadn't seen your face until recently, and I have to say, I'm shocked that you're not NEARLY as Nerdy as I expected. I have always watched these envisioning the face of Richard Langly ala Lone Gunman/X-Files, and here you are a totally normal guy!! This is like by FAR the best Tolkien channel, and one of my all-time favs on UA-cam. I've seen them all.
"Bookmark string" is the technical term coined in 967 for monks to track passages of the Bible for the next service. Just kidding; book mark or placemark is often used, but to my knowledge no literal name. I'm excited for this book! Thanks for going through it. It'll be nice to not have to jump between books to reference the age.
as someone who owns damn near every tolkien related book including HoME. i wish all NEW content in future prints could be distilled out of many of the publications
Thank You, Nerd of the Rings, for your thoughtfully put-together recommended list and thoughtful elegantly edited presentation AND your setup is nicely understated yet rich in content! Going with your previous overall recommended reading order with tweaks of course.
I love getting 'new' Tolkien books. I remember reading the Silmarillion and loving the story of Beren and Luthien but getting the book 'Beren and Luthien' was more than worth it.
My reading list keeps getting bigger the more videos I watch haha. Book looks great and awesome you got to interview him for the second time. I'll need to go back and watch your Tolkien reading video and plug this one in there.
I wonder if we will ever have a reworked Silmarillion on the basis of all that was unearthed in HoME. From a philological point of view, Christopher Tolkien has always been more a geneticist than an ideal manuscript guy, but audiences expect complete and coherent works. This kind of job by Sibley on the narrower case of Numenor is suggesting to me that the publisher wants to test whether “clean” editions of the legendarium still sell, even though they do not provide new materials.
The Silmarillion should have the last 2 chapters removed, focusing on the silmarils. And they could make a single book just for ainulindale and valaquenta, Full of illustrations more than any other (like Hp by Jim Kay), and there could also be one for the 3 age (before the Hobbit, and between the Hobbit and lotr). And one for everything after the 3 age
That’s exactly what I thought when I read Unfinished Tales and later The Nature of Middle-Earth. There should be a revised version of the Silmarillion, since many things changed in Tolkien’s later writings.
The problem with doing this is that there’s just too many times Tolkien changed his mind. Many of his final thoughts contradict the rest of the story he had already written and didn’t have time to change. It would be almost impossible without such a published work seeming like a fan fiction piecing his contradictions together and making them make sense. Gil-Galad’s backstory alone amplifies this problem, as well as the problem of Sauron setting aside/carrying his ring from Numenor (which one is it!?) Fan-fiction is fine, I guess, but then others would have their complaints about which of their favorite versions of the stories were left out. 🤷♀️
it is a bound bookmark or more commonly a ribbon marker, which is most often attached to the book by being adhered to the head of the spine and brought out under the endband, if there was one.
It seems nice and those illustrations are honestly a wonderful addition! However it still feels a bit redundant once one already has all of Tolkien’s books.
In 2994, during the settling of Balin's Colony, they were attacked by an onslaught of orcs.[3] Óin led a group to the west side of the city hoping to find escape through the Doors of Durin, but instead he found the water up to the doors where the Watcher in the Water killed him. The Dwarves were trapped, and wiped out. Wasn't the door open at the time of Oin´s death?
I really hope that Amazon can get the rights to what Sauron says to Ar-Pharazon in The Akallabeth. Some of the best, most chilling lines Tolkien ever wrote.
I'm always confused by people who don't want the adaptors to get the rights to use the source material and then complain about it not being lore accurate.
No matter what one thinks of The Rings of Power, this would (in a way) be the book that they're using as the blueprint for the show. Putting that out there for anyone who discovers Tolkien THROUGH the show - much like how many discovered Tolkien through the LotR films.
Thanks for the video. I can’t wait to get mine. What’s dissatisfying about Fall of Gondolin, Beren and Luthian, and History is how they’re edited. The different versions and sketches are separated by commentary and there’s no chronological narrative. I want to know if this reads as a continuous narrative or as an academic analysis of Tolkien’s work.
Quick Question matt? how far has your hiking journey gotten! i remember we got a short about your medal before but just wondering where you are at now!
Ah! Our fellowship completed it! You can't see it in the background of this video bc the shield is covering them, but I have all the medals hanging in the background.
Thanks for a great video. I'm excited for these new books. I definitely want The Fall Of Numenor and the new edition of The Silmarillion. That's a nice cover on The Unfinished Tales. Is that a U.S. or UK edition? I actually have the first U.S. edition, first print of Unfinished Tales.
DEATH BATTLE is having a fight between Sauron and the Lich King from Warcraft this Monday. Do you have any thoughts, and would you consider doing a live reaction to it?
Thank you! I noticed that you have the latest edition of The Silmarillion, illustrated by Tolkien. I am itching to have my own copy of the book, but I am trying to choose which edition to go for. The options being - this one, the 2021 Illustrated or 2021 Illustrated Deluxe. The 2021 ones contain Ted Smith's artwork, and around 49 of them I hear. I am leaning towards a simple thought - for text Tolkien, but for artwork go to Ted Nasmith, or Alan Lee. Would you mind suggesting one way or the other, please?
So now that this book is released, what would you say is the "reading order" for the middle earth universe for someone who wants to start chronologically? The Hobbit and LOTR aside, from my understanding the reading order (that some people suggested to me) was: 1. The Silmarillion (up until the chapter Of the Fifth Battle) 2. The Children of Hurin 3. The Silmarillion (start again from the chapter Of the Ruin of Doriath) 4. Beren and Luthien 5. The Fall of Gondolin 6. Appendices of The Return of the King And then continue with History of Middle Earth series, Unfinished Tales and Letters of JRR Tolkien if you crave more. How does that list change with this book being released?
I have US editions of the Great Tales as well as Tales from the Perilous Realm. This book measures 9 inches tall instead of 8.5 (as the other books are) which is a bummer. Also the cover doesn't look glossy like the other US covers. This is going to mess up my shelf a little. Had I a little more knowledge I would have bought Harper Collins to begin with. Now that William and Morrow have taken over they've slightly adjusted their production from HMH.
Indeed! That is actually the copy of The Silmarillion I show in the beginning and reference at the end. My deluxe edition is supposed to arrive tomorrow, so I'm hoping to record both regular and deluxe edition in the same video. :)
The Fall of Númenor is available now!
Regular Edition: amzn.to/3h30jey
Deluxe Edition: tinyurl.com/32vxm475
Audiobook: amzn.to/3Undnd2
I'm reading reviews from amazon and some are saying if you own the silmarillion or some other books you don't need this one. And also that this one has incomplete stories. Have you read it yet and confirm this?
Where would you place this in your reading order between which books?
Alan Lee is a godsend when it comes to Tolkien-related art. Him, John Howe and Ted Nasmith are to me the definitive Middle-earth artists.
Damn right
Not Hildebrandt? /s
Brothers Hildebrandt, man. Sheesh....
I love how the historians of middle earth don't consider literally reshaping the entire planet from a flat plane to a globe worthy of declaring the start of a new age, but cutting off some guy's ring is entirely worthy of it.
Uh both those events are in the same age. The reshaping of arda and the war of the last alliance are in the second age
@@historicdude7996 that’s the point he’s making
@@bnasty5614 oh wait my bad i totally misread it
Uh? Tolkien defined the ages in function of the enemies of the middle earth. The first age ended with Morgoth being thrown into the void and the second age begun with the fall of Numenor (caused by Sauron) and ended with his defeat.
Are they, except the Valar and their followers, awared of the reshaping of Arda?
Such a great explanation of the need for this book and its contents. I really appreciate the work you do to make Tolkien accessible to all the fans.
Glad to see that this is all Tolkien. Artwork looks amazing.
The perfect book for any Tolkien-accurate fan looking for a more chronological compendium of the Second Age of Middle Earth. It's amazing how many people thought this was going to be some sort of new canon as a result of Amazon's show, where on earth would they have received such a terrible rumor.
We do have a new officially licensed canon courtesy of the Tolkien estate and Amazon. It’s becoming Star Wars in that way
@@FlynntheHuman602 The film series and tv show are their own thing; separate and an adaptation of the Tolkien legendarium. They don't somehow overwrite the cannon of The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings. It's a nice courtesy that the Amazon show tries to stay compatible (from a lore and production design standpoint) with the the New Line film series; it's nice for casual fans who may only have watched Middle-Earth stuff. But for licensing reasons, Amazon's adaptation is separate from New Line's adaptation, which is separate from the original Tolkien legendarium. Of course if we want to split hairs, the only "Official Canon" is The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings. The unfinished works that make up the rest of the legendarium are not internally consistent, as we all well know. Heck, Lord of the Rings wasn't even internally consistent with The Hobbit when it was published, which is why the Hobbit was slightly rewritten for later publications.
@@Doug_Hannon to be honest rings of power doesn’t even stick with the films cannon. Like I would totally get if they just went off the movies for the more casual viewer, but they completely ignored everything, except when trying to get people to recognise elements of the movie trilogy(obviously written greatly inferior) and the books. No clue what rings of power is actually based on apart from being it’s own universe of a badly written unwatchable mess.
@@FlynntheHuman602 what's with people's obsession with cannon and non-cannon material? Its so creatively limiting.
@@beeeeeesbury I mean we can just ask if it’s good and Rings if Power misses on that one too. If they wanted to be creatively unlimited they would invent a world and characters of their own and make it somehow interesting to watch
E: honestly, I don’t understand the new obsession with buying out big franchises to use the characters as action figures for random scripts. Especially with material that has never been made into this medium before
Finished it last night and I'm head over heels for it. In my opinion it is the best single narrative volume since the Children of Hurin. It works great as a collected story in the vein of the Silmarillion and, as you say, gives a very great "overview"? of the second age. So glad they made this, a great prelude to the tales of the third age we all know and love.
“Hobbits delighted in such things, if they were accurate; they liked to have books filled with things that they already knew, set out fair and square with no contradictions.”
Tolkien stated that not only did he consider the culture of the Hobbits to be superior to all others in the Third Age of Middle Earth, but also that the Hobbits, partially because of their culture, were also uniquely capable of resisting and healing from the effects of evil. He was also a professor of linguistics, with a focus on old English, a field with notoriously unreliable and spotty records for reference. I think it’s kind of funny how he slips a preference for particularly accurate and factual reference books into his ideal society.
I've heard a librarian call it a " Readers Ribbon" could have just been her name for it but I liked it.
Current day prints of all of the Tolkien texts, as well as the Peter Jackson films, wouldn’t have been nearly the same without Alan Lee’s masterful talent of bringing Tolkien’s legacy to life. He’s simple a master who takes his craft as serious of a care as the words in the very texts were written with.
I expect we'll get a "The Fall of Arnor" sometime in the future. Lots of scattered info on the Third Age too.
I'd love that, because I find the war against the witch-king a really interesting topic. Also, I'd love to see Alan Lee's illustrations for that book.
You think that the fall of armor could be a possible nother book
It would be a pretty cool triple set to have on a bookshelf.
1) The Fall of Gondolin
2) The Fall of Numenor
3) The Fall of Arnor
Fall of Arnor would be great! I hope there are enough writings from Tolkien for a new book.
The Fall of Arnor could/would be cool, though I believe its covered enough within the appendices of LotR.
You never know, though!
Of all the wonderful Tolkien illustrators over the decades, Alan Lee is my favorite. I remember how much fun it was to go through the centenary edition of The Lord of the Rings, my first exposure to Alan's work.
Is that the one with the brown cloth hardboards and the battle of Helm's Deep, after the Fire of Orthanc breaches the wall, on the dust jacket?
Numenor is, in my opinion, Tolkien's most poignant tale. My copy of this is on order and I anxiously await its arrival!
It's so well laid out.
And it's so cool to see new Alan Lee artwork.
I have to compliment you on one thing in particular. The fact that you actually SHOW the freaking book. I am an avid book tube watcher and I can't find but a handful of reviewers who actually show the books. Most either yak about or just hold up the book and show the covers. worthless. As someone with no bookstores within a 100 miles and with troublesome eyesight I hate not being able to see the font of books so I can determine if I will even be able to read it. If booktubers are going to review a book then more need to follow your lead and actually review and discuss the ACTUAL book. True of paperbacks, hardbacks, etc. Many of us are buying blind. Totally subscribed!
I would love it if you made a video about making a Tolkein library. Those books you showed at the beginning, and the others like Of Beren and Luthien, are books I want. But keeping track of what's worth owning and which edition is the most authentic (and also has the most Alan Lee art) can be so confusing. For context, I once bought a David Day collection in my ignorance.
i second that
Please do this!
This would be fantastic
At least the colour artwork in David Day's books isn't just shades of grey.
@@frankshailes3205 Yes!
I love the chapter where halbrand helps Celebrimbor forge the rings of power and Galadriel suggests to make 3. Gave me chills.
How original.
I love how they managed to show us the inner workings of the best immortal craftsmen in the world. I’m sure Tolkien kept that a mystery because he didn’t have the depth of mind to suggest more than one alloy be combined. Modern day smiths could learn from this show!
@@kingkai1763 he was not aware that the metals needed to coaxed together. Thankfully tictok videos show modern smiths how to do it properly.
That was my favorite part
@@magnificus8581 I would not have been shocked if Halbrand had whipped out an iPhone and scrolled through a bunch of twerking girls to show Celebrimbor a 20 second smithing video on tik tok
Im off to Oxford tomorrow (11/11/22) for the signing by Alan Lee and Brian Sibley of this book as you can imagine Im very excited
The music is a bit distracting but thank you for showing us the contents of the book. Alan Lee is a fantastic illustrator!
Great review🎉
Alan’s art looks stunning
Loved the whole interview with Brian and that book is definitely a must have. And I hope that the series adapts that drawing of the temple of Melkor with everything and that river of blood
I just received my hard copy today. I’ve been listening to the audiobook and it is excellent! So grateful to those dedicated to compiling and editing Tolkien’s works so we can continue to discover and delight in the incredible depth and stories of Middle Earth.
Great video! What bugs me about the US editions of Tolkien’s latest is that they aren’t in scale with my UK editions - a fell afoul of this when Nature of Middle-earth came out. Thankfully I’ve got my family back in England to kindly pick up the UK edition for me and have it signed by Alan and Brian at Blackwell’s, Oxford 🤩
So a while back, I discovered you can just order from Amazon UK rather than Amazon US. It's great for buying unadulterated versions of books written by UK authors. IDK why, but American publishers insist on Americanizing books for the US market. You can also sometimes get books before they're released in the US.
I have Pre-Ordered, and I am excited for the same reason, We are getting a Merged together all (most) the tales of the Second Age in 1 Book!!! I haven't just looked inside, but Brian Sibley even put it in Chronological Order!!! Man Thanks Brian, Nice Touch!!!!
Thanks for all you do! I got into tolkiens stuff a few years ago and your UA-cam channel has been instrumental in helping me love his world all the more! Keep doing what your doing
I have started to listen to the audio book - it is awesome - Brian Sibley is a great narrator.
I have just preordered mine a while back. I've always been a fan of Second Age lore.
Thanks my friend. As I pretty much own an edition (or two) of all of JRR's works, I think this book, well edited by Brian Sibley, will be very much appreciated!
note: I purchased the "History of Middle Earth" books as Christopher released each volume, so I envy the smaller footprint of your 3 Vol set, heh. Might I also suggest, you investigate the availability of Vol 13 to that set, which serves as an outstanding 'Index' to not just the "HoME" set but the other vols of the Legendarium as well. When I purchased it, it was still "print on demand" but I believe it has since garnered sufficient success for them to have pre-published editions available from Harper Collins. :)
p.s. Dang, yet another Silmarillion for me to purchase (with JRR's artwork)? That's another slam-dunk.
Ordered it. I love the idea of everything about Numenor in one place. The illustrations alone make the book worth it anyways even though I am already buying wayyy too many books and my bank account is being highly pressured right now🤣🤣🤣
The years with the major events titles is REALLY cool and helpful!
Tolkien is dead for 40 years and is still releasing works
Thats dedication
Can't stop won't stop
I love how you just pile up the books I couldn't stop laughing !
Thanks for the great presentation! Can’t wait to get my hands in a copy!
Was glad you showed the TOC, which has been very hard to find online elsewhere.
So well done Matt! This is why your Channel is so amazing! Enjoyed this. Excited to get my copy coming in the mail!
Book looks great , the illustrations are marvelous bonus
Looks amazing. I did enjoy most of Christopher Tolkien's publications, but I prefer the continuous narrative approach like Children of Húrin over the History of Middle-Earth style presented in the subsequent releases. This looks more like the former.
A Tolkien book without appendices is like a Marvel film without an 'after-credits scene' (in fact, I'd contend that Marvel got that idea from Tolkien books 😜 ). I pre-ordered my copy...but it's being delivered to a place I've moved from....can't wait to go collect it!! Excited!
You should do a collection tour of all your books
Pre-ordered the book & am really looking forward to reading it. Already excited just watching you page through it. Should cut down on the “book-jumping” I usually do!!
That's why I'm not watching this video and just perusing the comments while listening. I don't want electronic viewing spoilers. Also my laptop doesn't smell anything like a book.
I hadn't seen your face until recently, and I have to say, I'm shocked that you're not NEARLY as Nerdy as I expected. I have always watched these envisioning the face of Richard Langly ala Lone Gunman/X-Files, and here you are a totally normal guy!! This is like by FAR the best Tolkien channel, and one of my all-time favs on UA-cam. I've seen them all.
"Bookmark string" is the technical term coined in 967 for monks to track passages of the Bible for the next service.
Just kidding; book mark or placemark is often used, but to my knowledge no literal name.
I'm excited for this book! Thanks for going through it. It'll be nice to not have to jump between books to reference the age.
And they did let you know what that is actually called 🙃
According to Wikipedia, the ribbon is called a bookmark: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bookmark. I know, it’s not what I was expecting either.
as someone who owns damn near every tolkien related book including HoME. i wish all NEW content in future prints could be distilled out of many of the publications
Matt you always add so much humour to your vids! Always the best dad jokes on show. Thanks for the review
Thank You, Nerd of the Rings, for your thoughtfully put-together recommended list and thoughtful elegantly edited presentation AND your setup is nicely understated yet rich in content! Going with your previous overall recommended reading order with tweaks of course.
I can't wait to read this was gonna ask it for a Christmas present but I can't wait till then 😘💜
🤭me too🤍
@@LaughThruLife yea 🤭🤗😁😘💜
Hahaha I was thinking the same!
Hey Nerd totally unrelated.. but ANDOR is so freaking good! Luthen's speech, damn!
So…freaking…good.
I love getting 'new' Tolkien books. I remember reading the Silmarillion and loving the story of Beren and Luthien but getting the book 'Beren and Luthien' was more than worth it.
Have mine pre-ordered and set aside at my local bookstore and I cannot wait.
I am looking forward to picking this up! Thanks for the review 😊
Just downloaded a copy on Audible. Can't wait to dig into it!
Might get this for the Alan Lee artwork and the convenience. I already own all the books in that great honkin' stack!
With this book, can you do an updated reading order?
My reading list keeps getting bigger the more videos I watch haha. Book looks great and awesome you got to interview him for the second time. I'll need to go back and watch your Tolkien reading video and plug this one in there.
Just got this book for Christmas and I'm so excited to start reading
The nice part about buying books preordered is they come wrapped rather than just open as the others do (other than the Bookset).
Thank you for putting the link in the chat👍
cant wait to pick it up
Bought it, read it, loved it
I wonder if we will ever have a reworked Silmarillion on the basis of all that was unearthed in HoME. From a philological point of view, Christopher Tolkien has always been more a geneticist than an ideal manuscript guy, but audiences expect complete and coherent works. This kind of job by Sibley on the narrower case of Numenor is suggesting to me that the publisher wants to test whether “clean” editions of the legendarium still sell, even though they do not provide new materials.
The Silmarillion should have the last 2 chapters removed, focusing on the silmarils. And they could make a single book just for ainulindale and valaquenta, Full of illustrations more than any other (like Hp by Jim Kay), and there could also be one for the 3 age (before the Hobbit, and between the Hobbit and lotr). And one for everything after the 3 age
That’s exactly what I thought when I read Unfinished Tales and later The Nature of Middle-Earth. There should be a revised version of the Silmarillion, since many things changed in Tolkien’s later writings.
The problem with doing this is that there’s just too many times Tolkien changed his mind. Many of his final thoughts contradict the rest of the story he had already written and didn’t have time to change. It would be almost impossible without such a published work seeming like a fan fiction piecing his contradictions together and making them make sense. Gil-Galad’s backstory alone amplifies this problem, as well as the problem of Sauron setting aside/carrying his ring from Numenor (which one is it!?) Fan-fiction is fine, I guess, but then others would have their complaints about which of their favorite versions of the stories were left out. 🤷♀️
@@mrs.manrique7411 Yeah there is no *final* version because he never wrote one
Great job reviewing this book it looks awesome! Maybe sometime you could give us a tour of all your books in the Nerdcave
it is a bound bookmark or more commonly a ribbon marker, which is most often attached to the book by being adhered to the head of the spine and brought out under the endband, if there was one.
I can't wait for this book! What future books would you like to see that are similar to this one?
Sauron's wacky adventures in Mordor
It seems nice and those illustrations are honestly a wonderful addition!
However it still feels a bit redundant once one already has all of Tolkien’s books.
I love this book it's a very nice read after the silmarillion for me
In 2994, during the settling of Balin's Colony, they were attacked by an onslaught of orcs.[3] Óin led a group to the west side of the city hoping to find escape through the Doors of Durin, but instead he found the water up to the doors where the Watcher in the Water killed him. The Dwarves were trapped, and wiped out.
Wasn't the door open at the time of Oin´s death?
I think he opened the door from the inside, which is easy.
@@Manuel73618 I just reacted to something said in the video. That the doors were never opened until the fellowship came.
@@haraldkjall4561 The doors were easy to open from inside but they couldn't be seen from the outside or physically opened from the outside.
I have mine preordered from indigo, can’t wait 🎉
I really hope that Amazon can get the rights to what Sauron says to Ar-Pharazon in The Akallabeth. Some of the best, most chilling lines Tolkien ever wrote.
Anything Tolkien is wasted on Amazon.
i sincerely hope amazon gets a restraining order for anything tolkien related.
I'm always confused by people who don't want the adaptors to get the rights to use the source material and then complain about it not being lore accurate.
Love how you snuck in that illustrated Silmarillion😂
A must have book, thanks for this review. waiting for the new (Silmarillion) book review.
No matter what one thinks of The Rings of Power, this would (in a way) be the book that they're using as the blueprint for the show.
Putting that out there for anyone who discovers Tolkien THROUGH the show - much like how many discovered Tolkien through the LotR films.
Definately adding this to my collection!
Same here
It would be nice to see the top of the book as well (so we can see how the book is bound; with 'signatures' or just perfect glue bound, etc.).
Thanks for the video. I can’t wait to get mine.
What’s dissatisfying about Fall of Gondolin, Beren and Luthian, and History is how they’re edited. The different versions and sketches are separated by commentary and there’s no chronological narrative.
I want to know if this reads as a continuous narrative or as an academic analysis of Tolkien’s work.
Wow, I didn’t know this was coming out!
Personally I would love to have book made specifically for Dagor Dagorath. That story needs to be brought back into the light.
Thanks for the great review! You convinced me to buy it
Yeaaiih. My copy comes on Tuesday. I am very much looking forward sfter your little inteoduction.
Where would you place this in your reading order? Would this be a good primer for the Silmarillion?
I would think more the other way around as most of The Silmarillion covers what happened before the 2nd Age.
Man, Tolkien is writing BANGERS nowadays
Quick Question matt? how far has your hiking journey gotten! i remember we got a short about your medal before but just wondering where you are at now!
Ah! Our fellowship completed it! You can't see it in the background of this video bc the shield is covering them, but I have all the medals hanging in the background.
@@NerdoftheRings THATS AWESOME!
I think the “bookmark string” would be a “tassel.”
Ive heard some people call them Tillys (bookmark string) but i believe theyre just called bookmarks 😂 i prefer tilly though.
Thanks for a great video. I'm excited for these new books. I definitely want The Fall Of Numenor and the new edition of The Silmarillion. That's a nice cover on The Unfinished Tales. Is that a U.S. or UK edition? I actually have the first U.S. edition, first print of Unfinished Tales.
Can't wait to get my copy of both The Fall of Numenor as well as the nature of Middle Earth. 🤘🖖😊
Gondorian Mandalorian helmet, nice. This is the Way.
A bookmark that is built into a book's binding is called a bound bookmark.
Thanks for the great content!
I'll probably get the book version later for the pictures but for now I got it on Audible. It's the only way I can "read" books anymore.
Bookmark ribbons are called tassels, by the way.
DEATH BATTLE is having a fight between Sauron and the Lich King from Warcraft this Monday.
Do you have any thoughts, and would you consider doing a live reaction to it?
Do you think that the showrunners of The Rings of Power should read the book before filming season two ???
Thank you! I noticed that you have the latest edition of The Silmarillion, illustrated by Tolkien. I am itching to have my own copy of the book, but I am trying to choose which edition to go for. The options being - this one, the 2021 Illustrated or 2021 Illustrated Deluxe. The 2021 ones contain Ted Smith's artwork, and around 49 of them I hear.
I am leaning towards a simple thought - for text Tolkien, but for artwork go to Ted Nasmith, or Alan Lee.
Would you mind suggesting one way or the other, please?
So now that this book is released, what would you say is the "reading order" for the middle earth universe for someone who wants to start chronologically?
The Hobbit and LOTR aside, from my understanding the reading order (that some people suggested to me) was:
1. The Silmarillion (up until the chapter Of the Fifth Battle)
2. The Children of Hurin
3. The Silmarillion (start again from the chapter Of the Ruin of Doriath)
4. Beren and Luthien
5. The Fall of Gondolin
6. Appendices of The Return of the King
And then continue with History of Middle Earth series, Unfinished Tales and Letters of JRR Tolkien if you crave more.
How does that list change with this book being released?
I wonder if folks are wondering about the faithfulness/fidelity of these texts, in the approach Briand takes vs Christopher.
I have US editions of the Great Tales as well as Tales from the Perilous Realm. This book measures 9 inches tall instead of 8.5 (as the other books are) which is a bummer. Also the cover doesn't look glossy like the other US covers. This is going to mess up my shelf a little. Had I a little more knowledge I would have bought Harper Collins to begin with. Now that William and Morrow have taken over they've slightly adjusted their production from HMH.
Are you picking up the new illustrated Silmarillion book? I would love a review on that one as well
Indeed! That is actually the copy of The Silmarillion I show in the beginning and reference at the end. My deluxe edition is supposed to arrive tomorrow, so I'm hoping to record both regular and deluxe edition in the same video. :)
@@NerdoftheRings I wrote that comment before watching the video and now I feel dumb now that I'm finally watching the video. Lol
Great review.
This is great! Thank you for this video!
Just pre ordered this book.