I'd like to see it, but it looks utterly ridiculous. He has a great imagination, but so many of his ideas are just silly. I prefer Holy Mountain and Sante Sangre to El Topo, but he's a long way from those days.
I just watched the documentary. It is basically an unimaginative persons imagination supported by actually talented people. It is absurdist for the sake of absurdist. He thinks he is "le-smart" and has a strong message, but never understood the ACTUALLY INTELLIGENT message of the book because HE NEVER READ IT. TO QUOTE HIMSELF "HE (r worded) FRANK HERBERT" why do you ask? To make his story "actually good", of course. T'ed his own son too.
@@hannibalburgers477 yep! This script we made changed very quickly after a lot of research into the director. Just a lot of posturing and making everything some holy mission. No thanks 😅
@@m1000-n8w That doesn't matter lol. You give a guy who barely speaks english a script made by someone who does and you'll just have an accent to it. Which, in a story that takes place across the galaxy, an accent is not totally unimaginable.
I watched the documentary on his Dune and at first I thought, ‘what a creative mind’. But the more I watched it, the more I was disturbed by his behaviour.
Holy Mountain changed my perspective on what movies could be when I saw it as a kid. Seeing him interpret Dune would have really been... something. I think even as a "bad film" it would have at least been worth watching.
Fourteen hours? A fourteen hour acid trip based on a book the film maker never read. Both David Lynch and the Syfy Channel showed how hard it was to pull off a Dune movie when you _do_ read the source material.
As a dune fan...im super glad it never got made. It was a literal pipe dream. Sounded utter ridiculous, it wasnt "Dune" it was a director tripping balls on LSD in the 70s being inspired by dune to try to capture his hallucinations.
@@jonrahproductionsIncorrect. This wasn’t Dune. This was some pretentious douchebag thinking he’s better than everyone else, tripping balls on all kinds of drugs. Jodorowsky isn’t the talent, the artists were.
I think you're very boring. It would've been an interesting and surreal adaptation. An adaptation doesn't have to be 1:1, to be good. Have a look at Blade Runner, and the book it was originally based off. Very different, but still a great movie
As a cinema fan it would've been an interesting car crash and certainly a better prospect than what David lynch cooked up Would it be on any way faithful to dune? Who knows probably not, but it'd be a complete trip and spectacle and that's always worth your time even if from only a curiosity aspect
i’ve seen the documentary and read the studio book for Jodorowsky’s Dune and honestly, in my opinion, it would’ve been such a bad film; the ideas it incorporated worked well on its own but to have called it a “dune” movie would’ve been an affront
@@neo-filthyfrank1347 No... Jodorowsky misunderstood Dune, he was not making the movie to make a Dune movie, he was making a movie to fuel his cool ideas, not the book's. While I believe it'd be a good movie, it just wouldn't be Dune and I'd rather it not be called that.
Michel Seydoux, whose career would then drift towards sport team management, being the great uncle of Lea Seydoux, who plays Lady Margot in Dune Part Two.
It's pretty obvious that H.R. Giger's influence was blatant with the Dune movies we DID GET, at least with the Denis Villeneuve movie. Geidi Prime looks like a planet Giger would design.
It's not that he didn't have a part to play, but the affecting part of this all seems to be around the artwork. Which he did well in getting talented artists, but my premise was the Dune film itself didn't inspire sci-fi it was the artists from this project that were extremely talented and went on to make movies in science fiction namely "Star Wars, Alien, The Terminator, Flash Gordon and Raiders of the Lost Ark" that they mention among others. I just find this a bit absurd and see it as a usual tactic of his throughout his career of adding importance to his projects, that while may have been great, were not these industry changing spiritual revelations that he makes them all out to be. That's all. Nothing against this version of Dune, I just think he over embellishes a lot and we showed that throughout the video.
@@FrameVoyager 1. "but my premise was the Dune film itself didn't inspire sci-fi it was the artists from this project that were extremely talented and..." - it was Jodorowsky who assembled these talents, and based on the revelations of these talents you cite yourself, he created a highly inspirational atmosphere that induced all kinds of creative ideas. You're treating this part mechanically, separating Jodorowsky from his team as if people are wooden figures endowed with certain qualities that show under any circumstances. They don't. I have experiensed that myself. The role of a spiritual figure, a mentor, a father, a sage, a maharishi and so on has been the perpetual topic throughout the perceived history of humankind. Your premise is shaky. 2. "I just find this a bit absurd and see it as a usual tactic of his throughout his career of adding importance to his projects" - It's not as much him supposedly adding importance to his projects as other people views of those. However, it has nothing to do with importance. It's about attitude, a subjective matter in itself. His brutally eccentric manner and obsession, sweeping away obstacles with little willingness to compromise, sent ripples in the water. I am neither for nor against that. I remain indifferent to one’s personality unless it leads to a prosecutable offense. Even in such instances, I prefer to distinguish between these two aspects. Why do you not? 3. Do I think Jodorowsky movie would flop or not? There's no way to know. Do I wish Jodorowsky made it? Absolutely.
It's so sad how many people are applauding that this film didn't get made. I bet every Kubrick movie looked crazy on paper, especially 2001 space oddity. And the Shinning was completely unfaithful to the source material, yet it created a genre of horror.
how are u extolling the virtues of kubrick but u cant even spell the name of his movies correctly??? this would have been a disaster like the lynch version hahahah and jodorowsky was a hack and a freak
@@kg7219 You don't have to listen to me. Watch an interview with Dan O'Bannon and what he says about Jodorowsky. And Dan is a great artist, unlike you, so he gets it. You saying he's just a freak is really not understanding art and how it is created. It would be like saying Syd Barrett of Pink Floyd is just a freak. He made Pink Floyd and forever changed other band members minds, led them into this new realm of ideas and artistic beauty. Later he completely lost his mind and developed mental issues. I also think this movie would be a disaster, at least in the box office. Jodorowsky lacked discipline and technical ability to make such an ambitious project for the mainstream audience.
When considering who'd be the artist to the Final Fantasy franchise, Square originally wanted Möbius instead of Yoshitaka Amano. I never imagined how would that be until the 11:53 illustration on this video.
This “absurd” movie it’s actúa the most important movie on history, because of all that could be and specially the team Jodorowsky reunited were responsible of all sci-fi (and other genders) movies from the 80’s, 90’s and 2000. Actually the storyboard its still used by the studios as example to make the ones for new productions.
I've known a lot of small country town artist that make terrible art and tough themselves great genius that the world wasn't ready to understand yet. And they all sounded exactly like Jodorowski on that Documentary.
Could be my cynicism, but yeah that kind of stuff immediately makes me think it's all bs and just for show. To me it's just a way to make your art look more self important than it really is. Which with Jodorowsky, from all of our research every story had to be this massive ordeal or some holy mission, which half of it you couldn't tell if it was truth, hyperbole, or just an act.
Whether or not Jodorowsky's film was faithful to the book or not, his planned film would have been of interest. His earlier works certainly were, and his subsequent graphic novels have been as well.
Even if the film itself didn't get made the amount of creativity and other projects this helped spawn is justification enough for it almost being made.
For sure! But I think the creativity belongs to the artists like H.R Giger, Dan O'bannon, Moebius, and others that actually went on to work on all of the sci-fi films it's credited in inspiring. A lot of the projects that it supposedly "inspired" are not really direct connections. Like with Star Wars, "George Lucas probably saw the Dune script." Is a usual line we've seen. So to me, it's more that the right creative talent got brought together at the right time and because of this project that failed, they now could go on together to make films like Alien or Blade Runner. You don't really see Jodorowsky follow.
There are basically three types of sci-fi/fantasy: 1) Fandom -- utilitarian, reactionary, RPG-based, militaristic. 2) Grounded -- basically a gentrification of the genre. Made for critics and award committees. 3) Visionary, surreal, unfettered, psychedelic -- Jodorowsky, Metal Hurlant, lots of 70s sci-fi. Niche, sadly dormant, but with lots of terrain left unexplored before receding in the blockbuster era. A more open-minded public would embrace or at least support ideas like Jodorowsky's. But the general public has been successfully conditioned to embrace monetary-based spectacle over art. Exploratory artists are perpetually out of favor. It's hard to light a spark in a vacuum.
spiritual wisdom of jodorowsky is beyond even the original dune, hope his official film remake of incal comic complete before he died. most hardworking creator ever, his book "The Spiritual Journey of Alejandro Jodorowsky" is my favorite
Who in their right mind would sit through a 14 hours movie? The longest ever event l had seen was 8 hours stage production of Nicholas Nikoby at University of Kansas in 1980s. And that required two days since split into two parts.
Saying you have to assault your wife to have a child but than being upset that a foreign country assaults* yours for resources is pretty contradictory. I'm sure there's more to the man, though it's a very rough first impression. *I'm using the dictionary definition of the word Jodororsky used here, that I can't use because of YT's well-intentioned, but messy, policies.
Well they were and then he released one himself that was the same thing essentially. I have that somewhere in our notes but I had to use the waback machine to view it. There is a lot floating around out there though
This man has clearly never seen holy mountain. You can call jodorowsky crazy all you like, he’s clearly very a very talented director if you’ve seen any of his work. Especially good at making things visually appealing, and with an amazing plot already written for him? I don’t see how it could be anywhere near the room.
@@Buf037 yeah the amazing plot in the book that he explicitly did not wanted to read... I mean, in LATAM there is this ilk, this stereotype of wise guy, con man, that is infamously inexplicably talented, mythical in their abilities but they never get their master pieces done, because some evil force, company, government, money man, family, tragedy or any other long list of excuses keep them to finish their "work" they live out of their mythology and usually have a cult following... I'm not saying that He is one of those... But he has that ring to it, he even have the sexual misconduct allegations and all. Idk, everyone is free to appreciate the work and ignore the man I suppose.
Having never read his script for dune im not sure what he meant when he said he was raping frank herbert. Was he going to majorly change the plot? or just make things visually interesting in a way that frank herbert definitely did not envision? I actually don't know, he said he loved the book so i would assume he wouldn't change too much about the plot. He may be one of those con men, but it doesn't change the fact that he made many great and influential films. That is my point, he is no tommy wiseau, you can criticize his character all you want, but his work is good.
@@Buf037Well, conveniently we will never know what that movie would be like, because Jodorowsky's Dune will never be; and that will make that non-existing movie a legend a myth, an infinitely potential achievement for him and his fans forever. Again, ppl are free to appreciate the work and ignore the man. At least The Room was made.
I honestly really hope we get his dune someday. Yes yes we have his Jodoverse comics that are basically his Dune repurposed but it’s not “dune” ya know? It would have been a total trip sure but an insane fun one no doubt that I think fans are too hard on.
Meant too, but there were soooo many different elements to this one we didn't really stick around in the music part of it for very long. More just used that Pink Floyd story to show how each encounter was monumental in Jodorowksy's mind
@@FrameVoyagerIf you play the opening of the 2019 album 'Zess' over the animatic of the intended opening sequence for the film which appears in the documentary, it matches up perfectly. Also the song 'Hhai' lyrically fits with the Spice Melange concept since it's about the discovery of eternal life and was coincidentally written around the same time pre-production of the film would have started.
As fascinating a film as it would have been, it would have tanked and no studio would ever support a big science fiction production again for decades. I don’t think Star Wars or Alien would have even happened.
I'm a huge fan of Alejandro and my one wish is that someone gives him an unlimited budget for one last epic project to make a film version of incal.. how amazing would that be?
The events that followed Jodorowsky’s Dune project had nothing at all to do with Jodorowsky? It was his team he put together haha That’s the most ridiculous claim ever
@FrameVoyager that's too bad, you can search the birth* scene from Children of Dune, and even though that mini series clearly had a lower budget, that sequence captures a lot of threads coming to their climax
9:00 Its not so much that Dali wanted to be paid well, it was that he wanted the ego boost of being the highest paid actor ever, hence the 100k for 1h compromise which technically achieved that.
So is this a documentary about the documentary about Jodorowsky's mental attempt at Dune in the 70's? Cool, ill settle in coz he had some ludacris but quite clever ideas. I love Dune so id have took a 14hr long movie.🤯
It's sort of side by side with it but we don't cover Jodorowsky with as rosy a lens towards the end as the documentary did. So we have similar info, even some clips from the doc , but a very different outlook on the whole thing
@@theconcreteshamans Good for you. Not someone worth apsiring to in this case. H.R. Giger? Yes “Moebius”? Yes Dan O'bannon? Sure But Jodorowsky isn't someone worth aspiring to be. His public comments and publicity stunts in the past and present to make his art appear more "important" are not worth emulating. If that's the "shocking" us kids just don't understand anymore, you guys can keep it.
A movie on all the drugs, made by someone on all the drugs to be seen by people who are on all the drugs. You know, in case just being on all the drugs was starting to become routine.
IMO the best thing to come out of the failed 1970's Dune besides Alien is Jodororsky's Comics. the Meta Barons changed my perception on space opera scifi comics...
Jodorowski created El Topo, and the Holy Mountain - two of the greatest films ever. The opinion presented in this video that Hollywood studio execs were justified in not trusting Jodorowski to make Dune is complete garbage. Go watch those movies and you'll see exactly what I'm talking about. You'll also likely be an imaginatively enhanced person.
The trust aspect has nothing to do with how good/bad those films were and everything to do with the things he said. Didn't call his films garbage, I just pointed out he says some crazy stuff. That could cost Hollywood's execs money if there was controversy over that.
@@FrameVoyager I didn't say that you called his films garbage. We're going to have to agree to disagree here. We all know Hollywood actors, directors, and producers are famously shown saying and even worse doing headline grabbing highly unethical things. Yet they're almost always allowed to continue with their careers after the dust settles. Jodorowski would have made artistic and pop culture triumph. It would have been psychedelic Star Wars before Star Wars. The big execs of Hollywood rejected his film because of the proposed big budget not because he was an impractical pervert.
This man is a walking contradiction lmao. He wanted to evolve dune into his own vision but refused to rename it into his own project and vision. He’s a tripping plagiarist who can’t even plagiarize properly because, well, he’s tripping balls
It's the ego Bro assembled his own charismatic following by perverting the concept of the Dune story, while also living out Herbert's warning of not trusting these types of charismatic farts
How many of the books did it cover and how much sid they get correct? They can be dnese in action and plots and metaphor and phislosphy. Joderowsky? Yeah the old sci one is so much better rtahn any other next to the original frank series of books. Dali helpe dmak eyhe sets though i thinj for that even older one that goes nuts way off story
just saying "chilean by birth" so casually comes off as rather dismissive of Jodorowski"s chileaness. As he demonstrated in his two most recent movies, being chilean was formative and is more than an accident of history for Jodorowski. but like many talented people from small countries, he went to seek his fortunes elsewhere.
The precursor of all fools everywhere. To change a story is to tell a different story altogether. Twits like this should not be allowed to touch someone else's work.
You know, I tried to do some digging into it and everyone pronounced his name different lol. I went with the one that sounded more Chilean to my English speaking self 😅
there was also a later abandoned script that Ridley Scott was going to direct (before lynch) in 1979 after Alien. Main thing people take from that script though is that alia is born of incest between paul and jessica.
Shame the three hour version wasn’t made. I’d have loved to have seen Giraud’, Foss’, and Giger’s designs brought to life with Pink Floyd’s music. I also wouldn’t have minded it if Jodorovsky hadn’t directed it. There’s definitely something of the dark about him. Note how he throws up certain gang signs in the photos in this video.
I think studios wanted to make it in some sense, but from what it seems like I think they were all very wary of working with Jodorowsky. You can't really blame them
Parts of it. Watch like over 70 interviews with Jordorowsky over the years as well. Ended up re-writing the script several time the more research we did on him.
Jodorowsky was not a very practical and palatable man for the pragamtism- bent Hollywood studios' bosses, but what is clear that while the current 'Dune' is solid and reliable - it is pedestrian, art-wise - mediocre and unimaginative, visually dreary - dull in a few shades of gray (except literally a moment with the blue 'water of life' potion, the entire flm is a goo of off-white to faded beige to asphalt gray), with every space - whether palaces or cave dwellings - looking like delapidated boxy shelters, and flat acting, all dressed like with leftovers from the Lynch's film - once you look for comparison at what the visionary designer like Iris Van Herpen creates for instance - who should be the designer for such film; instead - nothing like a galactic saga happening 20 thousands (!) years in the future ought to be; for sure - nothing psychedelic or surreal, or mind-bending or peering into the thrills space and mind travel.
Well let's wait for another 50 years for the "visionaries" that you esteem of to actually make a movie that exists in the real world and not just in the realm of fantasy
It would have been a _horrible_ adaptation of _Dune._ Jodorowsky loves to do weird stuff just for the sake of being weird. And since far more people watch movies than read novels, that bizarre "adaptation" would have supplanted and buried the novel in the popular consciousness, basically ruining _Dune_ for pop culture. Even as a result of Lynch's _Dune_ how many people think that Paul Atriedes actually gained the supernatural power to make it rain on Arrakis at the end of the story, and believe that Paul actually _was_ the Chosen One savior of the Fremen, instead of the intentions of the novel as a _warning against_ charismatic leaders like Paul?
Jodorowsky should admit that he lost out on making Dune because of his sloppiness and lack of focus as an artist. He throws ideas onto the screen hoping it will amount to something, like present day Disney.
Exactly. And then blames film studios for not picking up this film because they were afraid or it's the corporate elite kind of deal, when really you can't blame them when Jodorowsky makes shocking statements around his film. I'd be scared to have him do it too
Yeah so after reading this comment section I come to a conclusion that you guys really rather have nothing than something. Its not like you pay for it in any way.
Would you like to have seen this Dune film made?
I'd like to see it, but it looks utterly ridiculous. He has a great imagination, but so many of his ideas are just silly. I prefer Holy Mountain and Sante Sangre to El Topo, but he's a long way from those days.
It would have been bad. It would have been Zardoz/Final Programme/Starcrash bad.
Yes, it would have been a classic.
I just watched the documentary. It is basically an unimaginative persons imagination supported by actually talented people. It is absurdist for the sake of absurdist. He thinks he is "le-smart" and has a strong message, but never understood the ACTUALLY INTELLIGENT message of the book because HE NEVER READ IT.
TO QUOTE HIMSELF "HE (r worded) FRANK HERBERT" why do you ask? To make his story "actually good", of course.
T'ed his own son too.
@@hannibalburgers477 yep! This script we made changed very quickly after a lot of research into the director. Just a lot of posturing and making everything some holy mission. No thanks 😅
Imagine this guy
playing the Emperor instead of Christopher Walken🤯
He *barely* speaks English
@@m1000-n8w Yea..🤯 but he's legitimately crazy😂
@@m1000-n8w That doesn't matter lol. You give a guy who barely speaks english a script made by someone who does and you'll just have an accent to it. Which, in a story that takes place across the galaxy, an accent is not totally unimaginable.
@@kaneda7368 A heavy, heavy Chilean accent would definitely pull people out of the story. Im sorry to tell you.
@@m1000-n8w Christopher Walken already took me out of the film with his voice, one of the lesser casting choices of the villeneuve films
I watched the documentary on his Dune and at first I thought, ‘what a creative mind’. But the more I watched it, the more I was disturbed by his behaviour.
That exactly was my process while making this video haha
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i agree, on the surface its a fascinating idea, the deeper you dig the more his "madness or passion" is less interesting
Holy Mountain changed my perspective on what movies could be when I saw it as a kid. Seeing him interpret Dune would have really been... something. I think even as a "bad film" it would have at least been worth watching.
Fourteen hours? A fourteen hour acid trip based on a book the film maker never read. Both David Lynch and the Syfy Channel showed how hard it was to pull off a Dune movie when you _do_ read the source material.
As a dune fan...im super glad it never got made. It was a literal pipe dream. Sounded utter ridiculous, it wasnt "Dune" it was a director tripping balls on LSD in the 70s being inspired by dune to try to capture his hallucinations.
After watching the full length documentary about the film he would have made, we lost big and I really really wish it was made.
@@jonrahproductionsIncorrect. This wasn’t Dune. This was some pretentious douchebag thinking he’s better than everyone else, tripping balls on all kinds of drugs. Jodorowsky isn’t the talent, the artists were.
I think you're very boring. It would've been an interesting and surreal adaptation. An adaptation doesn't have to be 1:1, to be good. Have a look at Blade Runner, and the book it was originally based off. Very different, but still a great movie
As a cinema fan it would've been an interesting car crash and certainly a better prospect than what David lynch cooked up
Would it be on any way faithful to dune? Who knows probably not, but it'd be a complete trip and spectacle and that's always worth your time even if from only a curiosity aspect
Well said. It would have nothing more than insufferable, pretentious kack - like the rest of his work.
Just saying, a 14-hour "movie" can be cut into a 14-episode streaming series
Today for sure! Maybe not back in the 1970's. Kubrick had a similar issue with his "Napoleon" film
I would've been down with a day long showing, split in four with some breaks to get up and walk around.
@@FrameVoyager there was also a 5 hour mini series for "Das Boot" in 1981 which expanded the movie.
cringe, that would've ruined it completely. It needs to be one, a single whole, to be watched in a single sitting, the mainstream be damned
@@neo-filthyfrank1347 Most sane people can't watch something 14 hours long no break.
i’ve seen the documentary and read the studio book for Jodorowsky’s Dune and honestly, in my opinion, it would’ve been such a bad film; the ideas it incorporated worked well on its own but to have called it a “dune” movie would’ve been an affront
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all arguments against jodorowsky's dune are second hand justifications for being inherently dull and dim
@@neo-filthyfrank1347 No... Jodorowsky misunderstood Dune, he was not making the movie to make a Dune movie, he was making a movie to fuel his cool ideas, not the book's. While I believe it'd be a good movie, it just wouldn't be Dune and I'd rather it not be called that.
@@bobsbigboy_ same opinion copy and pasted. i wonder what youtube video / tweet they saw for that opinion
Michel Seydoux, whose career would then drift towards sport team management, being the great uncle of Lea Seydoux, who plays Lady Margot in Dune Part Two.
Nepotism lives !
It's pretty obvious that H.R. Giger's influence was blatant with the Dune movies we DID GET, at least with the Denis Villeneuve movie. Geidi Prime looks like a planet Giger would design.
Funny they claim Geidi Prime was based on septic tanks.
it's much more cleaner and less detailed but yes it is pretty close in terms of how disturbing and dark it is
I don’t see how you can say it was solely the work of the artists. It was Jodorowsky’s vision that brought it all together.
It's not that he didn't have a part to play, but the affecting part of this all seems to be around the artwork. Which he did well in getting talented artists, but my premise was the Dune film itself didn't inspire sci-fi it was the artists from this project that were extremely talented and went on to make movies in science fiction namely "Star Wars, Alien, The Terminator, Flash Gordon and Raiders of the Lost Ark" that they mention among others. I just find this a bit absurd and see it as a usual tactic of his throughout his career of adding importance to his projects, that while may have been great, were not these industry changing spiritual revelations that he makes them all out to be. That's all. Nothing against this version of Dune, I just think he over embellishes a lot and we showed that throughout the video.
Huff glue much?, Frank Herberts' work was poddys?
@@FrameVoyager
1. "but my premise was the Dune film itself didn't inspire sci-fi it was the artists from this project that were extremely talented and..."
- it was Jodorowsky who assembled these talents, and based on the revelations of these talents you cite yourself, he created a highly inspirational atmosphere that induced all kinds of creative ideas. You're treating this part mechanically, separating Jodorowsky from his team as if people are wooden figures endowed with certain qualities that show under any circumstances. They don't. I have experiensed that myself. The role of a spiritual figure, a mentor, a father, a sage, a maharishi and so on has been the perpetual topic throughout the perceived history of humankind. Your premise is shaky.
2. "I just find this a bit absurd and see it as a usual tactic of his throughout his career of adding importance to his projects"
- It's not as much him supposedly adding importance to his projects as other people views of those. However, it has nothing to do with importance. It's about attitude, a subjective matter in itself. His brutally eccentric manner and obsession, sweeping away obstacles with little willingness to compromise, sent ripples in the water. I am neither for nor against that. I remain indifferent to one’s personality unless it leads to a prosecutable offense. Even in such instances, I prefer to distinguish between these two aspects. Why do you not?
3. Do I think Jodorowsky movie would flop or not? There's no way to know.
Do I wish Jodorowsky made it? Absolutely.
There is a really cool full lenght documentary about this story, fun watch before the Dune2 comes out
Yeah! Great documentary, though we do push back a bit on how they portray Jordorowsky and the impact the film actually had.
What's the name of the doc? And where can we watch it?
@@huliniswhoiam you can watch it on Amazon prime I think
@@FrameVoyager and what's it called?
@@huliniswhoiam Jodorowsky's dune lol
ah yes, a movie that thousands of people would want to watch, but only 8 would actually end up watching.
that's why it would've been the best film ever made
I’m the one of those eight 😂
Kind of like that Terry Gilliam Don Quijote movie that finally saw the light of day. Far more people probably saw the documentary about it.
@@neo-filthyfrank1347 stop glazing bro
It's so sad how many people are applauding that this film didn't get made. I bet every Kubrick movie looked crazy on paper, especially 2001 space oddity. And the Shinning was completely unfaithful to the source material, yet it created a genre of horror.
how are u extolling the virtues of kubrick but u cant even spell the name of his movies correctly??? this would have been a disaster like the lynch version hahahah and jodorowsky was a hack and a freak
@@kg7219 You don't have to listen to me. Watch an interview with Dan O'Bannon and what he says about Jodorowsky. And Dan is a great artist, unlike you, so he gets it.
You saying he's just a freak is really not understanding art and how it is created. It would be like saying Syd Barrett of Pink Floyd is just a freak. He made Pink Floyd and forever changed other band members minds, led them into this new realm of ideas and artistic beauty. Later he completely lost his mind and developed mental issues.
I also think this movie would be a disaster, at least in the box office. Jodorowsky lacked discipline and technical ability to make such an ambitious project for the mainstream audience.
The Holy Mountain and every Jodo work changes you. Pure art.
2:35 listening to him speak french with a spanish accent is throwing me off 😅
Frank Herbert: "Jodorowsky's script would have been ten hours or more..."
George. R. R. Martin: "Umm..."
When considering who'd be the artist to the Final Fantasy franchise, Square originally wanted Möbius instead of Yoshitaka Amano. I never imagined how would that be until the 11:53 illustration on this video.
He was ahead of time , predicting serials in the style of game of thrones
This “absurd” movie it’s actúa the most important movie on history, because of all that could be and specially the team Jodorowsky reunited were responsible of all sci-fi (and other genders) movies from the 80’s, 90’s and 2000. Actually the storyboard its still used by the studios as example to make the ones for new productions.
It would be great if it were translating into an animated miniseries of Jodorowsky's Dune.
Jodorowsky's Dune, The Great Film that will never be.
I've known a lot of small country town artist that make terrible art and tough themselves great genius that the world wasn't ready to understand yet. And they all sounded exactly like Jodorowski on that Documentary.
Could be my cynicism, but yeah that kind of stuff immediately makes me think it's all bs and just for show. To me it's just a way to make your art look more self important than it really is. Which with Jodorowsky, from all of our research every story had to be this massive ordeal or some holy mission, which half of it you couldn't tell if it was truth, hyperbole, or just an act.
@@FrameVoyagerdude you went into his career wrong, if you had discovered The Holy Mountain on its own you'd realise this guy's a genius
Whether or not Jodorowsky's film was faithful to the book or not, his planned film would have been of interest. His earlier works certainly were, and his subsequent graphic novels have been as well.
This was interesting, I vote for more lost Hollywood films
Even if the film itself didn't get made the amount of creativity and other projects this helped spawn is justification enough for it almost being made.
For sure! But I think the creativity belongs to the artists like H.R Giger, Dan O'bannon, Moebius, and others that actually went on to work on all of the sci-fi films it's credited in inspiring. A lot of the projects that it supposedly "inspired" are not really direct connections. Like with Star Wars, "George Lucas probably saw the Dune script." Is a usual line we've seen. So to me, it's more that the right creative talent got brought together at the right time and because of this project that failed, they now could go on together to make films like Alien or Blade Runner. You don't really see Jodorowsky follow.
The teem of artistes that Jodorowski put together for Dune, is what made the success of Aliens!
It's pronounced fremen, not freemen
Rhymes with semen?
There are basically three types of sci-fi/fantasy:
1) Fandom -- utilitarian, reactionary, RPG-based, militaristic.
2) Grounded -- basically a gentrification of the genre. Made for critics and award committees.
3) Visionary, surreal, unfettered, psychedelic -- Jodorowsky, Metal Hurlant, lots of 70s sci-fi. Niche, sadly dormant, but with lots of terrain left unexplored before receding in the blockbuster era.
A more open-minded public would embrace or at least support ideas like Jodorowsky's. But the general public has been successfully conditioned to embrace monetary-based spectacle over art. Exploratory artists are perpetually out of favor. It's hard to light a spark in a vacuum.
Crap is still crap even if it scratches that anti-middle class pretensious itch.
Have you considered that maybe some of that stuff from category might be a bit shit to a lot of people?
Great video. Also, I love your random transition into the Squarespace ad. I feel that was is a plausible scenario. lol
I legit had no better ideas for it haha. Felt just as likely Pink Floyd did that as Jodorowsky talking to diving beings
spiritual wisdom of jodorowsky is beyond even the original dune, hope his official film remake of incal comic complete before he died. most hardworking creator ever, his book "The Spiritual Journey of Alejandro Jodorowsky" is my favorite
just found out that Alejandro Jodorowsky, 94, Working on A New Film!, look at the dedication.
Dune needs a 14 hour high budget series treatment.
These move just leave too much content out
Who in their right mind would sit through a 14 hours movie? The longest ever event l had seen was 8 hours stage production of Nicholas Nikoby at University of Kansas in 1980s. And that required two days since split into two parts.
Saying you have to assault your wife to have a child but than being upset that a foreign country assaults* yours for resources is pretty contradictory. I'm sure there's more to the man, though it's a very rough first impression.
*I'm using the dictionary definition of the word Jodororsky used here, that I can't use because of YT's well-intentioned, but messy, policies.
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@@Matthias129just shut up, dork 😂
9:27 dali was insane. I don't like that guy.
The greatest movie never made. Someone needs to make an animated version of this word for word. Like NOW.
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Slight disagreement: Dali was mostly an actor. Also a Fascist and a chauvinist.
woulve been cool if it was done not as Dune, but as its own thing
Is there any way to read the copy jodorowsky sell because i heard before that they were similar to fake script but i havent found any source
Well they were and then he released one himself that was the same thing essentially. I have that somewhere in our notes but I had to use the waback machine to view it. There is a lot floating around out there though
Absurd?
Only a 14-hour movie would make it worth it.
It's not absurd because it's 14 hours
Denis managed to make it psychedelic without overdoing it IMO
Cant wait to put all this information into AI and finally get to see the 14 hour movie
Are you going to pay the creator to use that's the whole argument with AI and why people are upset
It won't be his though it'll be what pretentious teenagers think his idea would have been
I don't know, but my bet is that a Dune movie directed or produced by this guy could easily be "The Room" of science fiction.
This man has clearly never seen holy mountain. You can call jodorowsky crazy all you like, he’s clearly very a very talented director if you’ve seen any of his work. Especially good at making things visually appealing, and with an amazing plot already written for him? I don’t see how it could be anywhere near the room.
@@Buf037 yeah the amazing plot in the book that he explicitly did not wanted to read...
I mean, in LATAM there is this ilk, this stereotype of wise guy, con man, that is infamously inexplicably talented, mythical in their abilities but they never get their master pieces done, because some evil force, company, government, money man, family, tragedy or any other long list of excuses keep them to finish their "work" they live out of their mythology and usually have a cult following... I'm not saying that He is one of those... But he has that ring to it, he even have the sexual misconduct allegations and all. Idk, everyone is free to appreciate the work and ignore the man I suppose.
Having never read his script for dune im not sure what he meant when he said he was raping frank herbert. Was he going to majorly change the plot? or just make things visually interesting in a way that frank herbert definitely did not envision? I actually don't know, he said he loved the book so i would assume he wouldn't change too much about the plot. He may be one of those con men, but it doesn't change the fact that he made many great and influential films. That is my point, he is no tommy wiseau, you can criticize his character all you want, but his work is good.
@@Buf037Well, conveniently we will never know what that movie would be like, because Jodorowsky's Dune will never be; and that will make that non-existing movie a legend a myth, an infinitely potential achievement for him and his fans forever. Again, ppl are free to appreciate the work and ignore the man. At least The Room was made.
@@ReneAlex Lynch's Dune will always triumph over Jodorowsky's Dune because at least it got made
I honestly really hope we get his dune someday. Yes yes we have his Jodoverse comics that are basically his Dune repurposed but it’s not “dune” ya know? It would have been a total trip sure but an insane fun one no doubt that I think fans are too hard on.
This is like watching the documentary about J’s Dune without having to suffer through nearly as many narcissistic rantings of J. Thank you.
😅😅😅 you're welcome
I hope you covered the band Magma scoring the music in the film.
I was thinking the same, just wanted to check the comments;)
Meant too, but there were soooo many different elements to this one we didn't really stick around in the music part of it for very long. More just used that Pink Floyd story to show how each encounter was monumental in Jodorowksy's mind
@@FrameVoyagerIf you play the opening of the 2019 album 'Zess' over the animatic of the intended opening sequence for the film which appears in the documentary, it matches up perfectly. Also the song 'Hhai' lyrically fits with the Spice Melange concept since it's about the discovery of eternal life and was coincidentally written around the same time pre-production of the film would have started.
Anyone know where one could read Jodorowsky's DUNE script online?
As fascinating a film as it would have been, it would have tanked and no studio would ever support a big science fiction production again for decades. I don’t think Star Wars or Alien would have even happened.
it could have been one of the movies of all time
"Oh hi Baron"
I'd feel safer with one of the AI "Dune by Wes Anderson" becoming a full length feature film.
This movie would've been f***ing bonkers, Jodorowsky is a mad man but the best kind of mad.
A 14 hour film then is called a limited mini series now. Besides, look at the novel. Drugs play a huge part in the direction of human kind.
I'm a huge fan of Alejandro and my one wish is that someone gives him an unlimited budget for one last epic project to make a film version of incal.. how amazing would that be?
The events that followed Jodorowsky’s Dune project had nothing at all to do with Jodorowsky? It was his team he put together haha That’s the most ridiculous claim ever
But I am not at all sure about the ending of Jodrofsky’s Dune tho.
I'm a fan of William Hurt's SciFi channel Dune and Children of Dune
I need to check those out. Realized doing this project I'd never watched them before
@FrameVoyager that's too bad, you can search the birth* scene from Children of Dune, and even though that mini series clearly had a lower budget, that sequence captures a lot of threads coming to their climax
Nice! Yeah, I got to see some of those scenes while researching for this one. Plan to go watch it here at some point!
9:00 Its not so much that Dali wanted to be paid well, it was that he wanted the ego boost of being the highest paid actor ever, hence the 100k for 1h compromise which technically achieved that.
Ah, nice insight into that. Which I mean is not surprising, feels like Jodorowsky met his ego match in Dali haha.
I am glad this never happened. Would have been a travesty to a fantastic book.
Since the current two version 5 hour total mess is still uncrophendial for anyone new to the universe it couldve been a great idea.
Absurd!!!!!!!! 14 hours sounds like a good start, why not double that!
It's not the 14 hours that's absurd 😉
@@FrameVoyager LoL
I thought he was onto something until that bride part, utter quack
I love Jodo so much.
So is this a documentary about the documentary about Jodorowsky's mental attempt at Dune in the 70's?
Cool, ill settle in coz he had some ludacris but quite clever ideas. I love Dune so id have took a 14hr long movie.🤯
It's sort of side by side with it but we don't cover Jodorowsky with as rosy a lens towards the end as the documentary did. So we have similar info, even some clips from the doc , but a very different outlook on the whole thing
you would kill to be one day in jodorowskys mind. don’t disrespect the man
I in fact would not like to EVER be in his mind. No thanks. No disrespect given above what he has publicly declared himself.
These kids today don't know how esteemed we held artists back then. We wanted weird and shocking. And controversial. It was something to aspire to.
@@theconcreteshamans Good for you. Not someone worth apsiring to in this case.
H.R. Giger? Yes
“Moebius”? Yes
Dan O'bannon? Sure
But Jodorowsky isn't someone worth aspiring to be. His public comments and publicity stunts in the past and present to make his art appear more "important" are not worth emulating. If that's the "shocking" us kids just don't understand anymore, you guys can keep it.
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Bro why is every Jodorowsky defender such a dicksucker? He selling you drugs from beyond the grave or something?
The greatest Sci-Fi film never made.
A movie on all the drugs, made by someone on all the drugs to be seen by people who are on all the drugs. You know, in case just being on all the drugs was starting to become routine.
Am I the only one seeing Thunder Cats in some of the concept sketches?
Dali was the worst part of the movie, they should have told him to f off, he wanted a stupid giraffe on the set. over rated garbage
I'm glad we didn't get his Dune and instead got Alien out of all this, it's a win win situation
IMO the best thing to come out of the failed 1970's Dune besides Alien is Jodororsky's Comics. the Meta Barons changed my perception on space opera scifi comics...
Dali was a completely derranged and sick human.
All I hear is we could've gotten an unprecedented film in scope and scale and instead got the cramfest of Lynches Dune..... man that is SAD
Jodorowsky's DUNE would have been a shit-show! He said it himself - that he didn't give a fuck about Herbert or the story.
That doesn’t mean it would’ve been bad. I mean, bookworms like y’all would’ve shit yourselves but nobody cares 🤷🏻♂️
Jodorowski created El Topo, and the Holy Mountain - two of the greatest films ever. The opinion presented in this video that Hollywood studio execs were justified in not trusting Jodorowski to make Dune is complete garbage. Go watch those movies and you'll see
exactly what I'm talking about. You'll also likely be an imaginatively enhanced person.
The trust aspect has nothing to do with how good/bad those films were and everything to do with the things he said. Didn't call his films garbage, I just pointed out he says some crazy stuff. That could cost Hollywood's execs money if there was controversy over that.
@@FrameVoyager I didn't say that you called his films garbage. We're going to have to agree to disagree here. We all know Hollywood actors, directors, and producers are famously shown saying and even worse doing headline grabbing highly unethical things. Yet they're almost always allowed to continue with their careers after the dust settles. Jodorowski would have made artistic and pop culture triumph. It would have been psychedelic Star Wars before Star Wars. The big execs of Hollywood rejected his film because of the proposed big budget not because he was an impractical pervert.
This man is a walking contradiction lmao. He wanted to evolve dune into his own vision but refused to rename it into his own project and vision. He’s a tripping plagiarist who can’t even plagiarize properly because, well, he’s tripping balls
It's the ego
Bro assembled his own charismatic following by perverting the concept of the Dune story, while also living out Herbert's warning of not trusting these types of charismatic farts
Why absurd? Isn’t something like LOTR a bit under that? And this would have been waaay better.
For the runtime of LOTR or LOTR being absurd in of itself?
Original Dune is weird.
Very haha
@@FrameVoyager I meant David Linch's version
@@JediKnight207 Well that's true as well haha. David Lynch had both hands tied behind his back trying to make that film.
@@FrameVoyager What does it mean?
How many of the books did it cover and how much sid they get correct? They can be dnese in action and plots and metaphor and phislosphy. Joderowsky? Yeah the old sci one is so much better rtahn any other next to the original frank series of books. Dali helpe dmak eyhe sets though i thinj for that even older one that goes nuts way off story
just saying "chilean by birth" so casually comes off as rather dismissive of Jodorowski"s chileaness. As he demonstrated in his two most recent movies, being chilean was formative and is more than an accident of history for Jodorowski. but like many talented people from small countries, he went to seek his fortunes elsewhere.
The precursor of all fools everywhere. To change a story is to tell a different story altogether. Twits like this should not be allowed to touch someone else's work.
id like to see it but i wouldnt want it to be 14 hours. u could probably flesh the whole idea out with no more than 3 tops
Lmao mediocre dudes always downplaying great artists
It's pronounced Yodoroski. 😊
You know, I tried to do some digging into it and everyone pronounced his name different lol. I went with the one that sounded more Chilean to my English speaking self 😅
@@FrameVoyager after I wrote it I realized you very likely spent plenty of time researching just the pronunciation lol
@@FrameVoyager It is a polish name, not a chilean one.
there was also a later abandoned script that Ridley Scott was going to direct (before lynch) in 1979 after Alien. Main thing people take from that script though is that alia is born of incest between paul and jessica.
Yep! Weird ideation. Glad they made Alien haha
I wish seen the movie even if unfinished.
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That’s… an opinion
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Yeah, crazy. XD
It doesn't mean anything, everyone likes to have more
What doesn't mean anything?
why do you hype a not-made movie so much?
Lmao, I didn't hype the movie up, jodorowsky hypes this movie up 😂 we're probably one of the few to question this film
Shame the three hour version wasn’t made. I’d have loved to have seen Giraud’, Foss’, and Giger’s designs brought to life with Pink Floyd’s music. I also wouldn’t have minded it if Jodorovsky hadn’t directed it. There’s definitely something of the dark about him. Note how he throws up certain gang signs in the photos in this video.
I think studios wanted to make it in some sense, but from what it seems like I think they were all very wary of working with Jodorowsky. You can't really blame them
did you read The Seven Lives of Alejandro Jodorowsky for this?
Parts of it. Watch like over 70 interviews with Jordorowsky over the years as well. Ended up re-writing the script several time the more research we did on him.
@@FrameVoyager I have a lot of his books and have seen him you did a great research
I wonder if they'll get to God Emperor of Dune
In the new ones? Sounds like he's only going one more book or movie after this next one
@@FrameVoyager I think the director said that they want to do a movie on the Benne Gesserits.
Max is doing a Bene Gesserit show called Dune: Prophecy. Iirc Villeneuve said he would like to do a movie for Messiah but not go past that.
Jodorowsky was not a very practical and palatable man for the pragamtism- bent Hollywood studios' bosses, but what is clear that while the current 'Dune' is solid and reliable - it is pedestrian, art-wise - mediocre and unimaginative, visually dreary - dull in a few shades of gray (except literally a moment with the blue 'water of life' potion, the entire flm is a goo of off-white to faded beige to asphalt gray), with every space - whether palaces or cave dwellings - looking like delapidated boxy shelters, and flat acting, all dressed like with leftovers from the Lynch's film - once you look for comparison at what the visionary designer like Iris Van Herpen creates for instance - who should be the designer for such film; instead - nothing like a galactic saga happening 20 thousands (!) years in the future ought to be; for sure - nothing psychedelic or surreal, or mind-bending or peering into the thrills space and mind travel.
Well let's wait for another 50 years for the "visionaries" that you esteem of to actually make a movie that exists in the real world and not just in the realm of fantasy
LSD is one hell of a drug
It just occurred to me, Jodo could use AI to make his movie in a couple of years.
It would have been a _horrible_ adaptation of _Dune._ Jodorowsky loves to do weird stuff just for the sake of being weird. And since far more people watch movies than read novels, that bizarre "adaptation" would have supplanted and buried the novel in the popular consciousness, basically ruining _Dune_ for pop culture. Even as a result of Lynch's _Dune_ how many people think that Paul Atriedes actually gained the supernatural power to make it rain on Arrakis at the end of the story, and believe that Paul actually _was_ the Chosen One savior of the Fremen, instead of the intentions of the novel as a _warning against_ charismatic leaders like Paul?
Jodorowsky should admit that he lost out on making Dune because of his sloppiness and lack of focus as an artist. He throws ideas onto the screen hoping it will amount to something, like present day Disney.
Exactly. And then blames film studios for not picking up this film because they were afraid or it's the corporate elite kind of deal, when really you can't blame them when Jodorowsky makes shocking statements around his film. I'd be scared to have him do it too
I only wish that Disney or any major movie studio would produce work as interesting, unique and idiosyncratic as Jodorwosky ever did.
Please watch all his films and then come back with that same attitude.
jodorosky is a total badass
Seems like a vintage Zach Snyder.
Yeah so after reading this comment section I come to a conclusion that you guys really rather have nothing than something. Its not like you pay for it in any way.