I have been watching the Paganoak for a while, payday is fast approaching. On a side note, Pagani has fixed the poor brushed finished on the flanks on the BB58, along with a few other things. Thanks for the video, very informative. Subscribed also :)
AP taking a lesson from Pagani Design? I love it Olivier!🤣 I always thought AP got too much love for the Royal Oak anyway. A very thorough review mate and credit where it's due for Pagani. Very enjoyable. Merci beaucoup Mon Ami.
Indeed, the Cadison at 42mm is a bit large and bulky demanding a larger wrist but it wears well regardless. It is visually stunning despite brushing angles and finish. However, my hat is off to the Pagani folks, who continually produce high quality for the money in ALL of their models. Each of these pieces deserves consideration. I have the Cadison. I plan on acquiring the Pagani Design soon.
Nice comparison. I picked up the skeletonized version of the Cadisen during the AliExpress anniversary sale. I like it, but I do wish the individual links would better articulate. I think the PD bracelet design looks much better despite the protrusion where the end links meet the case.
I love the Cadisen for that rich blue dial ...... I like the way the dial goes dark blue in sombre interior light making the hands stand out .......I also prefer the octagonal bezel give a real port hole look ........ however, the vertical brushing on the case sides was too brutal for me and I refinished it to a polished surface ......... also rounded the bracelet topsides to avoid those sharp edges ...... now I just love it ....... that rich dial makes me smile !!
Really nicely done. Very informative, and a great comparison of two stylish homage watches. They both seem like good values, so the size difference might be the deciding factor. You did such a nice job with this video, that you forced me to subscribe to your channel!"
yes the end link pagani are disastrous to the watch, they need to fix it period. Overall great size for 6 to 7 inch wrist. Love it. Movement +5s/d which is superb
thanks for this review. i already order the cadisen prior watching this. by watching your video, i think both has their pros and cons. i really love the dial and the hands on the pagani design. i think its a better watch overall in terms of quality. but aesthetically speaking i was kinda leaning towards the cadisen. im really digging the sharper angles it has, also the lines it has with the strap. if ever pagani design makes a version 2 with the octagon bezel, better strap and with 41mm. id really get that one right away. for me, both item are good and great value for the money.
Thank you Jaydee for the feedback. Both are good options and if the Cadisen fits you better and you like the shape better then you have made the right choice 👍
great video and a needed comparison, but there are a few things that you can do to slightly improve it, first of all compare the watches completely like when you measured the thickness of the bracelet in the cadisen but you didnt measure the thickness of the pagani, and one more thing is that if you start the comparison with the cadisen then it's easier for us to follow along if all the comparisons in the video are like that, instead of comparing cadisen-pagani then pagani-cadisen in that order. other than that the video was very good, thank you for the comparison!
Its always funny to see people complain like a tooth is being pulled when larger case watches are made available and claim that its a mistake or a disaster. Not everyone has a sub 7 inch wrist and big guys like to tell the time in style too ya know 😂
Great comparison! Myself, I like the design on the Cadisen, but the size on the Pagani.. speaking of which.. Do you think the Pagani would be suitable for dial modding? I think a Royal Oak hommage can really be made 'your own' with a custom dial. Do you happen to know the dial size on the watch? I have a snowflake Lucius Atelier lying around and think it would suit the Pagani just beautifully. A white dial Royal Oak is simply stunning！
Unfortunately, I can not recommend this watch. The unit I received was of very poor quality. The octagon bezel itself was misaligned quite a bit. Moreover, the wrongly sized end-links are an eyesore. Rather unfortunate!
I'm waiting for my Pagani to be delivered, I already have the Didun Royal One which is a great homage to the Royal Oak but it's just too big for my 16.5cm wrist, so I have high hopes for the Pagani; fingers crossed that mine doesn't have the bezel brushing issue? Not keen on the Cadisen particularly the bracelet with those sharp edges, which is very unrefined, the edges need to be bevelled and polished.
Thanks for the review\comparison. I am not a fan of the AP watch, so these even less so. I like the blue dials, but not a big fan of the overall design (original and these) . Cheers from the other side of the Atlantic!
Thank you very much! Yes both are worthy alternatives, the PD being a new release needs to address some issues though especially regarding the jutting Endlinks
@@TheRealDuffy Thank you so much my friend! Reviews are nothing without people to watch them, comment, etc. We all contribute to make things better for our beloved hobby :)
@@Horologique how would one know when the watch has been updated? I was considering buying the PD this month or next, but if it will be updated I think I would rather get the less priced $97 PDs or wait it out
How do you think the Pagani would wear on a 6 inch wrist? With a dial diameter of 40mm it sounds very manageable but the bracelet width and endlink-to-endlink length obviously bulk it up a little I'd suppose
That's a tough one. If you look at the video, I've got a 6.5 inch wrist and for me it fits comfortably. I would say you could do it but it would be at the limit of what you can wear.
Great comparison, vids like this are quality content. I don't know the dimensions on the original Genta design, but for me 42mm on a classic 70s design icon like this is far too big. And the L2L size (or what one would call it here) will of course be horrendous with this bracelet construction. The Royal Oak was a unique design with the contemporary modest dimensions incorporated in mind, and doing a homage and blowing up the size makes no sense and ruins the original concept. The Pagani has far better proportions in that matter, which got typically obvious when you showed a pic of the green dialed AP with that smaller nice dial dimension. Sure, I have a small wrist hence preferring more modest sizes, but it's also about proportions and ratios when it comes to design and aesthetics which is often forgotten. I love i.e. my 42-43mm Seiko divers/chronographs, but those works brilliantly in those dimensions since they were originally designed that way and with really short L2L measurements. As an owner of two Cadisens which are great watches esp. for the price (and I prefer the blue dial colour of the Cadisen here, and it's way better transition from case to bracelet), I'd still totally go for the Pagani here for several reasons. Btw, didn't Pagani have a grey dial as an option? I think I'd go for that, wasn't so fond of this light blue one.
Thank you very much 😊. The original APRO from 1972 was 37mm, and I believe that's the right size for these kind of watches. Later on in more modern days AP builds several case sizes, I believe on the classic RO for men they go from 37 to 41, the RO Off Shore being much larger. As for these 2 there is no grey dial option that I know of, there's this blue, black and white. I was at first going for the latter, but I then decided to go for the more classic blue one
Thank you for your comment. Cadisen is much better in value indeed, but PD have been listening to feedback and will be correcting that bracelet soon to make the watch better :)
@@Horologique oui entre autre j'ai suivi tes conseils et je me suis acheté la seagull 1963 40 mmla version fake aliexpress à 126 eurs et franchement je suis surpris par sa qualité , car je possède également une Speedmaster, une Daytona et d'autres chronographes Suisses , elle a un bon rapport prix/plaisir au poignet .
@@bykeur76 merci beacoup pour ton soutien 😊😊. Ce qu'il faut savoir c'est qu'à l'origine le mouvement à roue de colonne de la 1963 est d'origine suisse et est censé être techniquement supérieur à celui des mouvements 861 et 1861/1863 de la Speedmaster. C'est pour ça que le mythique mouvement 321 dans les Speedmasters d'avant 1967 qui sont allées sur la Lune est tellement recherché, c'est un mouvement à roue à colonne également 🌚
Wow I cant believe Luxury Watch brands such as Rolex, Audemars Piguet Patek and many more allowing these china watch micro brands to use their designs just to sell china made watches to public! this is so unfair to the big brands name.
You may be surprised but the first to copy these designs weren't the Chinese but the Swiss themselves. Companies like Squale and then Steinhart (both Swiss) make almost 1 to 1 copies of the Submariner and the GMT master, brand them Swiss made and put their logos onto them. A watch design is a patent that expires after 30 years, then everyone can copy it. It might be unfair to the original designer but that's the way legislation is at this time.
@@Horologique yes, by my point is that, why they need to copy the iconic designs of the big brands such as Rolex, AP, Patek etc. why not construct their own design and market it.
@@mayveltoress6546 The point that you may not realize -the legal coping of a classical design is easy money for a watch maker. Genta designs, as well as Rolex, are classics because the looks and specifications are nearly perfect and inspired which helps keep them hugely popular ($30,000+ USD is massively popular for a watch design, i.e. Royal Oak, that's 50 years old). Therefore, why re-invent the wheel when you can legally make a copy of a classic design and then sell at a fraction (or less) of the price and make a profit? Makes perfect sense for a business. Plus, there's are large part of the world's population that has no stigmas about an homage watch. That makes for a very compelling business opportunity.
@@mayveltoress6546 Why would you make your own spending on RD when you can just copy? PPl buying these cheap watches dont want originals they want watches that are out off reach normally at a cheap price! Its about the $$$
Wow, very weak dude the clear winner is the Cadisen overall at the end. Just come out and state at the beginning that you prefer the PG because of the size.
This is probably the best apples to apples comparison of two interesting homage watches that has been made this year.
Thank you so so much my friend, I'm humbled by your wondeful comment 😊😊😊.
Which apples do you prefer, the ones from Cadisen or PD?
@@Horologique I am leaning towards PD. Ultimately, it comes down to the size.
@@CanadianBeachcomber totally. PD have confirmed they will be taking care of the bracelet issue 😁
@@Horologique That is good news.
I own the Cadisen & really do enjoy it. The Pagani looks excellent but it’s just a little bit small for me.
I prefer the Pagani but I think it still needs a lot more refinements. From the brushing to the bracelet design. Hopefully there will be a Version 2
There will surely be a version 2, PD are quick to react to customer feedback! I'll be sure to pass it along 👍
I have been watching the Paganoak for a while, payday is fast approaching. On a side note, Pagani has fixed the poor brushed finished on the flanks on the BB58, along with a few other things. Thanks for the video, very informative. Subscribed also :)
Many many thanks for the information and for your support 👍👍
I've just bought PD 1673 today and hope that the bracelet will be adjusted. However I'm not serious because it's appropriate for the price.
AP taking a lesson from Pagani Design? I love it Olivier!🤣 I always thought AP got too much love for the Royal Oak anyway. A very thorough review mate and credit where it's due for Pagani. Very enjoyable. Merci beaucoup Mon Ami.
Thank you so much my friend!
Yes, I dared a cheeky remark 😊. So far the snob police hasn't caught me yet 👮 😂
@@Horologique 🤣🤣
Your review is super thorough and informed. I seriously enjoyed it and found it valuable.
That is really nice of you, many many thanks!
very good comparison, thoroughly enjoyed it. Thanks.
Thank you my friend 🙏
Indeed, the Cadison at 42mm is a bit large and bulky demanding a larger wrist but it wears well regardless. It is visually stunning despite brushing angles and finish. However, my hat is off to the Pagani folks, who continually produce high quality for the money in ALL of their models. Each of these pieces deserves consideration. I have the Cadison. I plan on acquiring the Pagani Design soon.
Wondeful, thank you for your constructive feedback! At those prices a lot of people can indeed experience both!
Did you get the Pagani as well?
good review, love how much you go into the details
Thank you I try my best 😊
Love how detailed your comparison is, congrats!
I have 7 1/2" wrist and still i prefer Pagani, looks a bit classier IMO.
Btw who wins on lume quality?
Thank you so much 😁
Lume quality is OK, the potency is pretty low though, mostly because of the thin application
Nice comparison. I picked up the skeletonized version of the Cadisen during the AliExpress anniversary sale. I like it, but I do wish the individual links would better articulate. I think the PD bracelet design looks much better despite the protrusion where the end links meet the case.
Thank you very much and thank you for your feedback.
I really hope PD will address that Endlink issue and I then I believe they will have a winner
Great comparison review. Really interesting to see these two side by side.
Thank you so much my friend for lending the Cadisoak in. A wondeful watch, you get much more than what you pay for definetely!
@@Horologique Thank you for really useful review. I like the size and the case shape of the PD but I love the dial on the Cadisen😄
The pagani bezel appears to be too circular, it looks like the edges have been over chamfered losing a bit of its octagonal appearance.
Yes I believe they have tried to round things up a bit, you only have to look at the crown 😉
I love the Cadisen for that rich blue dial ...... I like the way the dial goes dark blue in sombre interior light making the hands stand out .......I also prefer the octagonal bezel give a real port hole look ........ however, the vertical brushing on the case sides was too brutal for me and I refinished it to a polished surface ......... also rounded the bracelet topsides to avoid those sharp edges ...... now I just love it ....... that rich dial makes me smile !!
Wonderful, I agree, the vertical brushing on the sides was a very weird choice. You modded it and now it suits you, congrats 👍
Really nicely done. Very informative, and a great comparison of two stylish homage watches. They both seem like good values, so the size difference might be the deciding factor. You did such a nice job with this video, that you forced me to subscribe to your channel!"
yes the end link pagani are disastrous to the watch, they need to fix it period. Overall great size for 6 to 7 inch wrist. Love it. Movement +5s/d which is superb
They have told me they will fix it, let's wait for that :)
thanks for this review. i already order the cadisen prior watching this. by watching your video, i think both has their pros and cons. i really love the dial and the hands on the pagani design. i think its a better watch overall in terms of quality. but aesthetically speaking i was kinda leaning towards the cadisen. im really digging the sharper angles it has, also the lines it has with the strap. if ever pagani design makes a version 2 with the octagon bezel, better strap and with 41mm. id really get that one right away. for me, both item are good and great value for the money.
Thank you Jaydee for the feedback. Both are good options and if the Cadisen fits you better and you like the shape better then you have made the right choice 👍
i just received my order. the cadisen. i am really impressed with its look. thanks for this video again this really help me alot. :)
@@jeremiahdagcutan7759 I'm really really glad, this is exactly one of the aims of my channel, you've made my day 😁😁
great video and a needed comparison, but there are a few things that you can do to slightly improve it, first of all compare the watches completely like when you measured the thickness of the bracelet in the cadisen but you didnt measure the thickness of the pagani, and one more thing is that if you start the comparison with the cadisen then it's easier for us to follow along if all the comparisons in the video are like that, instead of comparing cadisen-pagani then pagani-cadisen in that order.
other than that the video was very good, thank you for the comparison!
Thank you Ahmad! OK, thank you for your suggestions, I will keep them in my mind for my next comparison 👍
The Cadisen is just the right size for me. For the price, a good buy 👍
Totally, if it's a good buy, the better bpb if you've got the wrist for it 👍
@@Horologique with a wrist of just over 8 inches it's no problem 😁
My Casio Duro and Casio Twin Sensor looks like normal watches on my wrist.
Its always funny to see people complain like a tooth is being pulled when larger case watches are made available and claim that its a mistake or a disaster. Not everyone has a sub 7 inch wrist and big guys like to tell the time in style too ya know 😂
Great comparison! Myself, I like the design on the Cadisen, but the size on the Pagani.. speaking of which.. Do you think the Pagani would be suitable for dial modding? I think a Royal Oak hommage can really be made 'your own' with a custom dial.
Do you happen to know the dial size on the watch? I have a snowflake Lucius Atelier lying around and think it would suit the Pagani just beautifully. A white dial Royal Oak is simply stunning！
Thank you 👍.
I measured the dial size, it's 30mm, I hope that helps for your modding project!
Do let us know how it goes and good luck!
Unfortunately, I can not recommend this watch. The unit I received was of very poor quality. The octagon bezel itself was misaligned quite a bit. Moreover, the wrongly sized end-links are an eyesore. Rather unfortunate!
I received my pagani design 40mm last week and I love it, immediately sold my 42mm cadisen oak on eBay...much happier now!!!!!
Ohhh wonderful I'm glad! They were supposed to fix the issue with the protruding Endlinks, is it OK on yours now?
yes, it’s fine...
I'm waiting for my Pagani to be delivered, I already have the Didun Royal One which is a great homage to the Royal Oak but it's just too big for my 16.5cm wrist, so I have high hopes for the Pagani; fingers crossed that mine doesn't have the bezel brushing issue? Not keen on the Cadisen particularly the bracelet with those sharp edges, which is very unrefined, the edges need to be bevelled and polished.
My wrist is 16.5 cm too so as you can see the Cadisen will wear just fine!
Fingers crossed for you as well, let us know when it gets to you!
have you noticed that the dial on the pagani design is a little transparent? at the center.
Thanks for the review\comparison. I am not a fan of the AP watch, so these even less so. I like the blue dials, but not a big fan of the overall design (original and these) . Cheers from the other side of the Atlantic!
You are welcome my friend, thank you for your comment even though you are not a fan of the design, I appreciate it :)
Great in depth review 👏😁👊 Both are great VFM options!
Thank you very much! Yes both are worthy alternatives, the PD being a new release needs to address some issues though especially regarding the jutting Endlinks
Good comparison video, thanks, I have to agree with your conclusions.
Thank you very much my friend and thank you for watching till the end of that long video 😊
For my 22 cm wrist i think i'll prefer the cadisen ... Are those bracelets long enough ? And as always, thanks for the review
Thank you very much my friend. They should be or else you can always ask Cadisen for some more links 👍
Great review ... ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
And I hope you will review about SAPPHERO Watch SO-1004 that looks like these two watches. Thank you 😎 (from Indonesia)
Thank you very much Maikel! I will check about Sapphero, I hadn't heard of them before to be honest, thank you for the tip 👍
Ok 👍
Good point with the bracelet failure at the Pagani Design! How could they???
They are going to fix it in the next batch, if it isn't done already. Our feedback matters guys!
@@Horologique top late for me, I ordered mine two weeks ago 🤬 but hey, it's only a watch 😁
@@Horologique reviews like yours matter even more!
@@TheRealDuffy Thank you so much my friend! Reviews are nothing without people to watch them, comment, etc. We all contribute to make things better for our beloved hobby :)
@@Horologique how would one know when the watch has been updated? I was considering buying the PD this month or next, but if it will be updated I think I would rather get the less priced $97 PDs or wait it out
They should teach Hubolt how too line up the case screws 🤣🤣
😅😅
How do you think the Pagani would wear on a 6 inch wrist? With a dial diameter of 40mm it sounds very manageable but the bracelet width and endlink-to-endlink length obviously bulk it up a little I'd suppose
That's a tough one. If you look at the video, I've got a 6.5 inch wrist and for me it fits comfortably. I would say you could do it but it would be at the limit of what you can wear.
@@Horologique Right, guess I'd have to see it on my wrist to know for sure so it's tricky. Thanks for the reply!
@@muro4796 you are welcome, good luck!
The trouble with pagani at the moment is they are knocking them out to quick and making a lot of mistakes
You are totally right. I really think they should be focusing on less core models and making them better.
Great comparison, vids like this are quality content. I don't know the dimensions on the original Genta design, but for me 42mm on a classic 70s design icon like this is far too big. And the L2L size (or what one would call it here) will of course be horrendous with this bracelet construction.
The Royal Oak was a unique design with the contemporary modest dimensions incorporated in mind, and doing a homage and blowing up the size makes no sense and ruins the original concept. The Pagani has far better proportions in that matter, which got typically obvious when you showed a pic of the green dialed AP with that smaller nice dial dimension.
Sure, I have a small wrist hence preferring more modest sizes, but it's also about proportions and ratios when it comes to design and aesthetics which is often forgotten. I love i.e. my 42-43mm Seiko divers/chronographs, but those works brilliantly in those dimensions since they were originally designed that way and with really short L2L measurements.
As an owner of two Cadisens which are great watches esp. for the price (and I prefer the blue dial colour of the Cadisen here, and it's way better transition from case to bracelet), I'd still totally go for the Pagani here for several reasons. Btw, didn't Pagani have a grey dial as an option? I think I'd go for that, wasn't so fond of this light blue one.
Thank you very much 😊.
The original APRO from 1972 was 37mm, and I believe that's the right size for these kind of watches.
Later on in more modern days AP builds several case sizes, I believe on the classic RO for men they go from 37 to 41, the RO Off Shore being much larger.
As for these 2 there is no grey dial option that I know of, there's this blue, black and white. I was at first going for the latter, but I then decided to go for the more classic blue one
@@Horologique Ah ok, maybe I remembered the black dial then, and have mixed this model up with some completely different one.
waouaw en plus tu as le match des deux , si tu en refais un , ajoute la Didun 😍😋
ils font quand même de belles choses en Chine !
Aha, j'allais t'envoyer le lien 😉
@@Horologique j'adore tes revues , même en anglais 😃
@@lamenature1420 merci 👍👍👍
Tenía la duda pero ya me la aclaraste.
Genial de haber podido ayudar 😁
🤔 D'origine la Royal Oak ne m'attire pas du tout, et je lui préfère à peine la Nautilus.🤷 Je passe mon tour 😁
Ce n'est pas un design pour tour6le monde en effet!
For me is cadisen better looks better qualitity better too
Cadisen is every way better. When compared the price is the best
Thank you for your comment. Cadisen is much better in value indeed, but PD have been listening to feedback and will be correcting that bracelet soon to make the watch better :)
how.. HoroMax and Horologique are.... the saaaame person! 🙂
Yes, totally 😁
Leg width ? Inner dimension.......?
by the looks of it Cadisen has less light reflections better reading !!
Yes I reckon that's right 👍
PAGANI DESIGN L O V E .
vraiment sympa la Pagani je la trouve plus harmonieuse
Oui idem. Je vois que tu es francophone, est-ce que tu viendrais à tout hasard d'Horomax ?
@@Horologique oui entre autre j'ai suivi tes conseils et je me suis acheté la seagull 1963 40 mmla version fake aliexpress à 126 eurs et franchement je suis surpris par sa qualité , car je possède également une Speedmaster, une Daytona et d'autres chronographes Suisses , elle a un bon rapport prix/plaisir au poignet .
@@bykeur76 merci beacoup pour ton soutien 😊😊.
Ce qu'il faut savoir c'est qu'à l'origine le mouvement à roue de colonne de la 1963 est d'origine suisse et est censé être techniquement supérieur à celui des mouvements 861 et 1861/1863 de la Speedmaster. C'est pour ça que le mythique mouvement 321 dans les Speedmasters d'avant 1967 qui sont allées sur la Lune est tellement recherché, c'est un mouvement à roue à colonne également 🌚
Pagani should increase price little bit and use bgw9 lumen poor lumen ruined these watches
I'm with you on that one mate
Cadisen wins but the Pagani has the more traditional looks!
Wow I cant believe Luxury Watch brands such as Rolex, Audemars Piguet Patek and many more allowing these china watch micro brands to use their designs just to sell china made watches to public! this is so unfair to the big brands name.
You may be surprised but the first to copy these designs weren't the Chinese but the Swiss themselves.
Companies like Squale and then Steinhart (both Swiss) make almost 1 to 1 copies of the Submariner and the GMT master, brand them Swiss made and put their logos onto them.
A watch design is a patent that expires after 30 years, then everyone can copy it.
It might be unfair to the original designer but that's the way legislation is at this time.
@@Horologique yes, by my point is that, why they need to copy the iconic designs of the big brands such as Rolex, AP, Patek etc. why not construct their own design and market it.
@@mayveltoress6546 The point that you may not realize -the legal coping of a classical design is easy money for a watch maker. Genta designs, as well as Rolex, are classics because the looks and specifications are nearly perfect and inspired which helps keep them hugely popular ($30,000+ USD is massively popular for a watch design, i.e. Royal Oak, that's 50 years old). Therefore, why re-invent the wheel when you can legally make a copy of a classic design and then sell at a fraction (or less) of the price and make a profit? Makes perfect sense for a business. Plus, there's are large part of the world's population that has no stigmas about an homage watch. That makes for a very compelling business opportunity.
@@mayveltoress6546 Why would you make your own spending on RD when you can just copy? PPl buying these cheap watches dont want originals they want watches that are out off reach normally at a cheap price! Its about the $$$
@@mayveltoress6546 You sound like someone that paid thousands for a watch and is upset that other people can get a similar design for much, much less.
Wow, very weak dude the clear winner is the Cadisen overall at the end. Just come out and state at the beginning that you prefer the PG because of the size.
I wouldn't have the real one if someone gave me it. God awful looking.
Yep sure!
@@NathanChisholm041 Give me one and I'd sell it the next day
@@Michael-4 No, you said you would never accept one no matter what! Of course, it would be sold but that means you still accepted it bud...
@@NathanChisholm041 Well I just don't like the look and can't understand why people rave about them.
@@weightlossresultscoach7082 Yeah they are petty boing!