Regarding the online stalking of the parents , could she be fascinated by their intense grief because she's unable to feel such deep love and sadness for another human being herself? I was thinking about her motive ... maybe she craves to see others, the parents, break down and cry, it gives her a sense of excitement, power and fascination? What do you think Dr. G? Thank you covering Lucy Letby!
I think the fascination with grief is less likely than the feelings of control and power. The same reason that narcissists like to cause emotional pain. It is an attempt to satisfy a need for control. The satisfaction is often fleeting so it perpetuates a cycle of awful behavior.
@@drgexplainshas she been formally diagnosed with narsasism or psychopathy ? She doesn't seem to exhibit this, which I'd think would be requirement. You might want to review the case of Bevery Allit, a nurse in the 90's who was convicted of similar things in the UK as she seems psychopathic.
Jealousy is at the bottom of this. Jealousy over happy parents showing more love and affection for something she felt she would never experience in her life time.
I was a nurse (now retired) I once gave a patient the wrong medication & I was in bits ! I worried myself sick, I reported it to the Drs , I barely slept that night worrying. So to see this nurse be as cool as a cucumber throughout intensive interrogation being accused of such a horrific crime is beyond me !! I’d be needing resuscitated !
Thank you for covering this! This case horrifies me but intrigues only bc I can’t fathom what would drive someone take the lives of innocent newborns. Truly heartbreaking.
Psych studies show the top 3 career choices for those with psychopathic traits are, in order: Corporate CEO, Medicine, Law Enforcement. They go for roles that fill their need for power, status & control.
@@sarahholland2600Yessss thisssss I've actually been telling people this, that since going to treatment like 5 times a few years ago, predators of all kinds (some just enjoy creating chaos or pain for others, some are chomos etc...) But the kind of people who abuse their power, are the kinds that go for jobs where they're given power to abuse! I look at everyone in positions of power with a skeptical eye. Some are there to help & heal, others are there to hurt. All kinds of positions: coaches, teachers, aides, nurses, doctors, bus drivers, county clerks and so on and so forth... I see all kinds of different positions filled by good people, and also many various monsters. What's truly frightening to me, is the ones who are often the darkest inside are the most charming in the outside! 😮😢
Yes!! narcissists are generally sadistic and thrive on other people’s pain. This makes them feel happy because they have no real feelings of happiness themselves.
@@user-bw6iq7dd8lI doubt she was jealous. Lucy was attractive enough and sociable to have a partner but she’s a narcissist and deep down she has self loathing. She wasn’t jealous she thrived on others pain.
This DR has not looked at the case. 17 NOT 7 babies died during the 14 month period, but Letby was only present for 7 death. The yearly average for that unit was 3. Just prior these death the unit was upgraded and shortly after this period the unit was down graded. The msm (the source for this Dr information) have not reported this, nor wad it mentioned in the trail but can be found in the discovery documents.
@@markjones1337 yes you’re right, it was 17 deaths and possibly other attempts that went unnoticed. Lucy probably has narcissistic personality disorder, she suffered self loathing and everything else was an act - Rescuer, Persecutor, Victim.
I’m glad you did this video Dr G. I’m very intrigued by this case. If you get any more information on this case please do another video. I would love to hear your input on it.
One of the babies' parents complained to the doctors that Lucy made a comment to them that they found very cold. They were just told that unfortunately, their baby is dying (of course, after Lucy did what she did to their baby), and the doctors allowed the parents to hold and stay with their baby while dying. According to the parents, she walked into the room with what it looked like a box and told them, " ok, you said your good byes, now give me the baby" or something to that affect. Their response was that the baby is not dead yet. And they complained about her.
"...Do you want to put him in here? " was what she said, nevertheless, it is such an awful thing to say , when you never ever ever want to let your child go, let alone, while he is still alive, putting him in the moses basket( not a box) that is for deceased babies. I sometimes wonder how she wasnt slapped or shouted at by some of these parents??? She did have other remarks similar to this, for example: "I overheard what you just said that everything is going to be fine and I must say, I just don't like when parents put their hopes up at this stage, cause we never know what might happens" Or, saying to a collegue: " he is not leaving here alive, is he? " texting to her collegue about babies who now we know , she murdered:" its an element of faith in this", or sg similar, like God took them or sg..., Entitled , psychopatic awful woman with a god complex. There were plenty of red flags. How heartbreaking it is that some parents started thinking what did they do wrong, did they piss her off, did they say sg that made their child a target? Can you imagine?😢😢😢How awful....
3178. It was an awful thing to say. However, l might have said something like that too!!! A friends daughter was dying from cancer. The hospital counsellor said "You do know that your daughter is dying don't you?". My friend nearly attacked her!!! I would have seen the counsellors comments as innocent!!!
@timeajenei2083 I am going by what I read or heard on other videos, I can not remember word by word. I heard or read somewhere who quoted the parents involved calling what she had in her hand as a box and also using the term "you said your good byes, now etc etc" that is a very inappropriate comment especially when you are waiting for your baby to pass away and while she passed that comment their baby was still alive. I agree with you, and yes, I read about all the things you wrote. It does not make it easy to give her the benefit of the doubt, even with that angelic face.
I’m glad you mentioned her eyes and pupils, I mentioned months ago about how it was odd they were enlarged when the pic was taken in a very bright room. To be honest I wondered if she was on a psychotropic substance or something similar.
Thank you Dr G, because of you I find myself delving into these cases. There is tons of behind the scenes information on this case that I would have never looked into, if not for you. ❤
She was told to write a journal of her thoughts by a councillor to cope with anxiety over her suspension and the acusations that her work was inadequate and this led to some babies deaths. She wasn't yet accuded of deliberately harming babies.
By the way, Lucy chose not to be in court to hear her sentence. They are trying to change this option given to criminals choosing to avoid attending their own sentencing in court in the UK. The crown vs Lucy Letby & only 3 ppl in the UK have been given the same sentence as Lucy, who will die in prison. Thank you so much for covering this case Dr G 🙏
Dr. G, thank you for this information. Hopefully this this kind of wisdom and insight will help us to see red flags when faced with psychopaths. Although they are so good at what they do. This case just breaks my heart for the parents of these little babies. Oh my! Keep educating us. It's so appreciated.
I think it's worth noting that Letby also doesn't have any words written beneath the circled HATE portion of her letter, suggesting that she actually started the letter with the word HATE, circled it, then wrote the rest of the letter around that one word. This also tells me that covering up her own words would hurt her very badly. They are important to her. This tells me she wanted to get caught, wanted her words to be heard. I'm only speculating, of course.
she was getting a lot of hate (not from you but from people like you). Both you and I used the wortd "hate" in our posts. Does this mean that we "want to be caught"???
I talked about this on my channel recently. Her father went storming to the hospital to protect her. Parents who never hold their children accountable can easily cause those children to become narcissistic psychopaths and murder is not far away as we see in this case. She's severely enmeshed with her parents.
Yes, so enmeshed with her parents. I read that they bought her the house and had outfitted a guestroom for their frequent sleepovers, and that Lucy accompanied them on vacation three times a year. 😳 Sounds like they were helicopter parents, and Lucy being an only child, they were said to be panicky over every little thing and overly involved in her personal life. It just sounds like they smothered her, had huge expectations and led her to believe she was very special. Perhaps when the real world failed to see her greatness, her genetics and inability to cope with disappointment led her to revenge, evening the score for her emptiness! I imagine the attacks were like a release valve for her pent up frustration and rage. I'm just glad she's been locked up, but shudder to think there are others just like her just as evil and dangerous!
@@americangirlx4Many have wonderful parents, but do not become serial killers. Her lovely parents are not to blame. My heart goes out to Letbys parents!!! If parents are abusive they are blamed, if they are caring they are also blamed. They cannot get it "right". Please leave those poor parents alone!!!
Over protection... high expectations, not let Kids make mistakes at home, justifying them, over praising them to others, not letting them go on with their lives unless they take you along, and continue to let you control them when they reach adulthood and are able to make their onw decisions, requiring they be with you in vaccations, Live in The houve you choose for them, not approuving any young Man to be her boyfriend and eventually marry her Just because she is too good for them.. or he doe not mesure up your expectations of The very best and perfect Man for your daughter... she May end UP feeling she Will Neves marry and Never have babies...
I listened to an interview by one of the detectives who interviewed her and she remarked on how composed, calm and almost detached letby was in the interview. she's very controlled. to build on her suggested sadism, at her trial, I also heard testimony that Lucy would offer to bathe and dress the babies after she had killed them and would hover around the rooms of the grieving parents and sometimes smile. great, interesting analysis as always dr G
@@AgathanagathaEven a completely innocent and caring nurse could have done that!!! Sometimes, a person might burst out laughing due to nervousness, during a solemn occasion!!! Please reply to me.
The parents should have been interviewed. There's one of her friend who speaks very well of her. Apparently she became a nurse because she had difficult birth herself and was grateful of the nurses who saved her life.
I see and observe this person ( Lucy ) as having VERY deep insecurities and vulnerabilities that she covers up and is ashamed of .This may seem obvious to her and us now ,but her loss of control and inability to stop ,intensified her shame and hatred of her weaknesses . Her intense anger and humiliation was directed at the vulnerable babies that she identified with and wanted to destroy .Her anger at her over protective parents was also directed at the babies parents as an act of revenge ,but covered up as a moral concern ..I wonder if she was in a constant state of shock and disbelief when she couldn’t find a way to stop. Her quiet demeanor on her arrest and interrogation was resignation ,relief and disbelief all rolled into a frozen state .It’s a great shame that no one spotted her false Persona before this tragedy was unleashed .
@@alyngrace123not necessarily born with disjunctions but she probably developed her narcissistic personality from a fairly young age. She may have been neglected in terms of parental guidance, taught right from wrong and used to having everything her way.
@drgexplains for all the knowledge coming out of the woodwork in this case now, it could be very interesting to hear your second thoughts on the notes and body language, now knowing that she was bullied for years by colleagues, might be innocent as well as the notes were written as part of therapy - would it change your thoughts ? I’m curious !
Update: 03.09.24 24 expert statisticians and neonatologists have written to the justice minister, voicing their concerns over the prosecution evidence. Also, Sir David Davies MP and Nadine Dorries MP are investigating the same concerns.
They are investigating Lucy's whole career and will be reviewing every patient at every hospital she ever trained or worked in. It could take years for everything to be revealed, however I do think there are many more case and will see a progression when they get to the start of it all. Heartbreaking!😢
Love your stuff Dr. G. It is hard to fathom how anyone could do this to babies. She seems so innocent looking. You just never know who can do this. Brutal!
Hi, great insight you give. The picture you showed of her not smiling was taken at the police station after she was arrested. The house she owned, which she wanted more than anything, just happens to overlook a cemetery for babies, her bedroom window literally backs onto and has a great view of a cemetery. The police are looking into 4000 cases from other hospitals she worked in, they feel she might be responsible for more deaths. 😢
For much more information of the trial and more info on Letby there's a great UA-cam channel, called, Crime Scene 2 Courtroom. You'll get much more info about Letby on there. 👍
She's a very cold, calm and calculating psychopath. It's all a facade for her...she has dead eyes. Even when she puts on that smile, there's nothing there. Thank you Dr. G
.....her eyes in the happy photos look ok........the dead eyes in the mug shot are the real Lucy........repressed and cut off by her suffocating parents.......
@@marthacochrane484Can't read too much into a mug shot, its not a situation we are used to in normal life, plus we don't know how long they'd kept her awake when it was taken. Police not known for their photography skills either! Everyone trying hard to give her that Myra Hindley mugshot look!!!!
@@idi0tdetectioninprogress Yes thats very true........but knowing something of her background etc......the eyes are dead.........and she looked like that when they arrested her.......in stark comparison to her photos.....where she looks attractive......the false persona......
@@marthacochrane484 You only know/believe what the media is showing. She merely looked a little shell shocked, which is completely understandable. First ever arrest, and she knew it was time for the rubber to meet the road. Arrest me at 6am and they'd think Charles Manson was back!!!
She shrank back because she was being attacked by the police. The police are professional interrogators. They grilled her for hours,weeks ,months. But never got a confession. I'm not saying that I think that she is innocent, I just don't trust the hospital, courts or police to give her a fair trial
I’m a nurse. I just can’t fathom a SERIAL KILLER NURSE. it just blows my mind. I can’t comprehend. We are supposed to be the most CARING profession. I just can’t with her. I don’t get it. Great breakdown tho doc!!
Im a nurse too. When I worked bedside, I would pray before my shifts that my patients would remain stable and my hands would provide comfort and healing. My worst nightmare would be if I made an error that harmed a patient. I can't imagine deliberately harming a patient...and to harm preemies and neonates...I honestly can't wrap my head around it. This is death penalty level of crimes imo, but UK will only do life in prison
the worst serial killer in history was a nurse, If memory serves me right. she had killed hundreds and hundreds of children. there have been many serial killers in the medical profession, sadly. look into it.
@@gabeskyler6068 Many old people on hospital wards die from neglect. Mealtime arrives and nobody will help them with their food. Food remains untouched. They basically starve to death. Nurses take their own breaks when patient food arrives. Fact !
I thought it was reported that these notes were written well after the murders and essentially placed and expected to be discovered and dissected by law enforcement. Wouldn’t that greatly change the message she is conveying? Thank you for covering this tragic case. There is much to learn from Lucy’s psychology.
Maybe the HATE she wrote is about what she experienced from others. I think it was notes from her therapy she got after she was suspected. Why assume she is guilty?
I don't trust those notes of hers at all. When she wrote them she knew she was under suspicion, and my feeling is she wrote them with the intention of them being found by the police. I've seen an interview with one of the lead detectives on the case, and he said the same thing. I get the impression that she was trying to create the impression of being in a state of inner turmoil while the finger of suspicion was being pointed at her, but I struggle to believe it. I don't believe anything she says - or writes. I don't believe a word that comes from her. I'm in the UK and this case has absolutely shaken me to my core.
that observation about the dilation of her pupils in that photo when she's in her nurse outfit holding the baby clothes made me uneasy, at first I thought it could've been her the camera/lens flare messing with her eyes but if her pupils were dilating out of excitement that means she was either getting that from having her photo taken or holding baby clothes with her nurse get up, it's creepy. the pupils are huge, eyes almost black, reminded me of how ted bundy's eyes would turn black when he would get excited about killing.
Endless photos of her .endless selfies like a real narcissist. Strange that even with others the photograph seemed to be about her not anybody else. The strong excitement in some of these photos is disturbing . You are correct..It is worrying
Could be wrong here but, I’m pretty sure that when the pupil of the human eyeball dilates it’s due to an involuntary reaction based upon the levels of light the retina is being subjected to and not an emotional response to glee. The human iris can’t be voluntary controlled.
I thought this was a very accurate assessment and really paints a picture of a "modern" serial killer, using technology to stalk her victims, gaining pleasure from the pain of others via social media. What I think it is lacking is the background / childhood of Lucy Letby in greater detail, she clearly got a kick out of killing the babies and having control, so it makes me wonder if growing up, she had situations of zero control, was abused or had trauma that she internalised, and then as an adult inflicted in her own sadistic way.
Thank you for covering this case. I've been following UK news about her. I also work in healthcare and I just can't understand how this happens. I just don't know how you go from saving lives to taking them. It seems like she had a thing for going after multiples. She killed twins and triplets. Is that to increase the pain to the families? I guess the percentage of multiples in the NICU is higher because they are more likely to be delivered prematurely.
Some people go in it for the money and control. Some people think their good acts entitle them to play god. Shitty people in all sectors of society, even healing professions
a basic fact you shouldf. Death ratye in an NICU is high - one study said 10%, another said 29%. I did not think there was an NICU at Letby's hospital but I foudn out that babies had been shipped in from other hopitals' NICU's, in 2015 and 2016. I foudn this on CHAT-GPT. It said I could put in an FIO request to Counterss of Chester to find out the number of babies who had come in 2015 and 2016 from other hosppitals' NICUs. The fact that this fact has not been mentioned at all means that the whole exercise against LL is a cover up. She is a patsy.
You have missed the point that the personal notes that helped convict her were written on the advice of counsellors to help the nurse deal with the extreme stress of the work environment.
Exactly! Lucy’s Counsellor advised Lucy to write-down her distressing emotions - which she did: “.. I am not good enough .. “; she felt powerless to save the premature poorly babies …. There WAS NO CRIME COMMITTED - The neo-natal babies were all very poorly since recent birth. There was raw-sewage backing-up into the Neo-natal Ward - babies were all very premature …. Make sure you know all these facts before voicing opinions
This is sad, nurses should provide the ultimate in life saving care... Not murder. RIP to all the babies and prayers to the ones that survived and have permanent damage to their bodies 😢 prayers to all of their families. Thank you Dr G, great analysis! .
I completely agree with number 3 and 4 about the note. That note screamed excuses and trying to ask for forgiveness before she gets found out. She knew she would get found out as she was investigated for a long time. You are the first person I have seen bring this up. Her level of manipulation is scary! Thanks for the video!
Analyse why the Dr who caught her red handed (virtually) standing over a baby didn’t mention this fact that was “emblazoned on his memory” to anyone at all for 9 months including Police, colleagues or managers. Not even during interviews related to the grievance proceedings where he expressed concern (faux) for Letby.
@@lennymice2261 no, first he was said there was no evidence against her and the only concerning thing was how many traumatic scenes she has witnessed and expressed concern for her in that regard...just Google it...youtube won't let me post a link to any articles...
@@lennymice2261 no, first he was said there was no evidence against her and the only concerning thing was how much trauma she had witnessed and expressed concern for her...just look it up...youtube won't let me post any links...
@@lennymice2261 no, first he was said there was no evidence against her and the only concerning thing was how much trauma she had witnessed and expressed concern for her...just look it up...I cant post any links...
It's now suspected that she's been attacking babies for a very long time, with one alleged murder going back to early 2013 (the investigation is ongoing, this trial only covered one year of her career). The dilated pupils photo was taken in early 2013, but I think the likelihood of it being related to her just having attacked a baby is somewhat statistically small. The photo was because she was the poster girl for a fundraising campaign for the neonatal unit, and I imagine this attention was exciting and would have given her a lot of narc fuel.
I'd Love to hear your thoughts on her choice of victims. She seemed to target twins are triplet babies. That's definitely an interesting aspect of this Unbelievably Tragic Case.
Thanks Dr G your analysis is always appreciated. This case is so baffling and your video clarifies the questions. I reckon Lucy is narcissistic and suffers from Narcissistic Personality Disorder. People with this mental health illness suffer from self loathing and generally play three roles of rescuer, persecutor, victim and are incredibly manipulative.
Ae you aware she was medicated by the time she was interviewed? I think that accounts for some of her lack of emotion. I worked as a neonatal nurse in the 80s and this whole case has really shocked me, especially managements refusal to even meet the medical staff half way to check Letby wasn’t responsible. Two things that really hit me from the trial was when she burst in on grieving parents to take their child away stating ‘you’ve said your goodbyes’ and coming back in to tell grieving parents that their dead child had ‘enjoyed her bath’. She wasn’t a very young inexperienced nurse at that time so you can’t say it was just a thoughtless misspeak. She knew their pain and inflicted more. I know there are a lot of people who remain unconvinced by the fact it was totally a circumstantial case, but I remember how Prosecutor Kelly Sieglar explained circumstantial cases using the analogy of pencils: if you take one pencil, you can break it. Put lots of pencils together and they are so strong you can’t break them. A lot of circumstantial evidence, as in this case, gives a strong verdict imo. It was a long considered trial, and the jury took their time and carefully considered all of the evidence before rendering their verdict. They heard ALL the evidence where most of us haven’t. I think juries get it right in 99.9% of cases, giving more false not guilty than guilty verdicts these days.
I'm sorry you cannot rely on third hand accounts of what was said. The accusations against Letby are fake. That is obviouos at a glance. The accusers are either malicious or as dumb as the proverbial.
This is why I am afraid of being admitted to the hospital. It's actually more common that nurses are killers than people realize. People tend to think that dangerous medical staff will be easily and consistently weeded out but this IS.....NOT.....TRUE!! If you feel uncomfortable speak up to someone and dont talk yourself out of it. Not saying assume they are killers, lol, but trust yourself.
Fits the same pattern of other killers who were nurses; in that suspicions were raised with management whom ignored the concerns thereby allowing the killer to take more lives. She's a monster and there needs to be an inquiry into decisions made by the management of this hospital.
it drives me mad that there is a total lack of respect for the fact that she does not fit the profile of a serial killer! - Only 16% of serial killers are female - No motive was ever established. Serial killers are usually motivated financially or for power but she gained neither - No consistent MO - [ ]Different for every baby - [ ] Why change if you’ve been successful? - [ ] she had not searched for methods of killing babies so if so little is known about injecting air into babies and the effect it would have, why would she have done that - Females don’t take trophies. It was said that the hand over notes were trophies but no previous female killer has been known to take trophies - No previous mental illness or psychopathy - No alcohol or substance abuse - no evidence that she was ever abused-emotionally, physically, or sexually-by a family member - no previous criminal record or any mention of violent behaviour. No killing kittens/ puppies, lighting fires etc. The list goes on. So we’re meant to believe she’s a female serial killer who coincidentally doesn’t fit the profile! The coincidences that you have to be prepared to accept are mind blowing! Coincidentally there was a female serial killer (likelihood 1:7,000,000) rampaging through a NICU at the same time as a high spike in deaths ie she killed 7 but what about the other 10 that died? The chances of naturally conceived identical triplets is between 1 in a million and 1 in 200 million (estimates vary) and we’re meant to believe there happened to be a female serial killer, and a rare unexplained spike in deaths just at the time that identical triplets were born at CoCH!
thank you jommyzchivago !!!!!!!!!!!! I found yesterday that babies from (neonatal) NICU's io other hospitals were moved to Countess of Chester in 2015 and 2016. The death rates for such babies is much much higher (as much as 29%) than for babiesnot in NICU. I think this explains everything. At present I don't know how many babies were moved as this info was not released !!!!
I watch a series on BritBox called 24 Hours in Police Custody, and I’ve been stunned how polite and cordial law enforcement is to the people under arrest. Perhaps the judge stopped short of calling this woman a sadist because that would have seemed rude.
The law enforcement here in the UK are very different from those in the USA. I'd say the judge was very typical of a UK judge. We are a very small island and don't see the amount of crime that's seen in the USA. I think alot of that has to do with our strict gun laws. In the USA anyone can get a gun within reason and they're on hand when anyone feels angry and it's the first thing they reach for. Yet here in the UK it's really only "the bad guys" and maybe farmers who own guns.
In the UK, police interrogations are recorded and governed by strict national rules that do not include aggressive or threatening behaviour. Politeness and multiple cups of tea have the merit of encouraging many suspects to talk, rather than immediately requesting the duty solicitor (lawyering up). British police are trained to employ the same patient approach in hostage situations, unless a victim is in immediate danger, in which case a highly trained Armed Response Unit is deployed in minutes. It works.
Are serial killers born? Did her upbringing and life experiences bring her to this point? Are her parents partly to blame by, as it seems, not allowing her to grow up and exercising too much control over her? It is frightening to think that a human is born evil.
I m a retired nurse and I m not surprised. Sorry for saying this to my own people. Social or medical professions are a melting pot for psychopaths. It's all about control over vulnerable clients. It s all about power. Those psychopaths act out their need for dominating their clients. They need to be superior. By interacting with the most vulnerable ones, babies and newborns, they get triggered and accomplish their most sadistic acts.
@@LostHorizons0 I’ve worked in the health service for over 30 years. A high percentage of nurses I’ve worked with are the nastiest creatures on gods earth. All they care about is their own children , lifestyle and pension !
I just experienced that with my husband who died a week ago. He was mistreated and left to die plain and simple. They were deliberately hurting him and drugging him when he did anything normal. He went in for lung cancer and got zero treatment for it and it quickly spread throughout his body. I could see and sense the joy on the staff’s faces. I REALLY want to sue the hospital but I don’t know how to go about it. Doctors and nurses disgust me.🤮 Any information you can provide about a lawsuit would be greatly appreciated.😊
One reason the parents were so smothering could be because Lucy’s own birth was a difficult one. They then became overprotective. She also became a nurse because of her own difficult birth, a sort of payback or acknowledgement of the nurses that delivered her.
I also think that something went wrong when she was born. And that the parents felt this and tried to help her, protect her. I don't think though she chose to have a medical job as a kind of subconscious result of this all.
I heard that they didn't find the notes the first time she was arrested and searched in various places. It was subsequent searches in the same places that they found the writings, and the police felt they may have been left on purpose.
Also, remember that nurses who work in critical care areas with adults or babies have in many ways learned to control their emotions in high anxiety situations. That may be part of why she acts the way she does during her interview. We experience life threatening situations and death tremendously more than the average person.
She seems so quiet and mild mannered and non emotional. It makes me wonder if she's on the autism spectrum. Do I think that everybody's autistic since i found it that I am at 34? Yes. Yes, I do. However, that would explain why she couldn't find a man, or at least why she thought she couldn't find a man. I wish we could've seen the trial.
Best assessment I've heard, thank you. But on her arrest, she looked more horrified to me than sad. She looked in a shock and wasn't even breathing. She was like terrified just imagining what was waiting for her. I don't know if anyone else agrees with me on this.
To me she looked totally resigned to the inevitable, as though she knew it was going to happen, and that it was the one thing that would prevent her causing any more deaths and injuries. IMO she was a totally conflicted person, she knew she was unable to stop herself harming babies because for whatever reason she had a compulsion to act in that way, and could not stop, but she also knew it was so very wrong and that she was a very bad person I'd guess that deep diwn she was relieved to have been removed from her situation. But admit to the crimes? Never in a million years, she either truly believed she didn't do it, bir else she was too terrified to acknowledge the truth because she knew it would destroy the persona and control she had constructed for herself. And without that she would be a nothing, a non-entity who had to go back to square one and deal with her real self and whatever had caused her to be the person she had become.
Hi Dr G, I would be interested in seeing your analysis of some of the cases from the UK where the perpetrator has joined in the search or even done TV interviews/appeals. A couple that come to mind are Ian Huntley and Mick Philpott. Thanks 👍
Thank you for looking at this one. I wonder if you might compare her notes to Kathleen Folbigg’s (Australian woman recently had conviction overturned).
Im aftaid you are most likely to be the subject of ridicule once her conviction is deemed unsafe; and thence bringing your profession into disrepute. Should this occur, you should seriously consider the option of re evaluating your knowledge base. In any event, your analysis lacked any academic rigour, and appeared unbecoming
I've arrested scores of people, and they all act differently, then and when being interviewed. I started by being shocked at the deaths, then surprised at the lack of real 'evidence', then concerned by an 'unsafe' conviction, and now I truly believe her to be innocent; odd, yes, but innocent. Framed by corrupt doctors at a failed hospital.
Other nurses and Doctors should have picked up that something was not right with her. They work next to her every day, they must have noticed something in her demeanour? I believe that she could not stop what she was doing once she started it. A Compulsive Behaviour Disorder. She also to me, seems that she has trouble with expressing/dealing with her feelings and in the right way. Her notes to me were a cry for help. Plus her mind was full of much confused thoughts. She wanted to put it down in writing to try and make sense of it for herself. You know how sometimes Fire Fighters will light a fire putting other lives in danger, knowing the people are vulnerable. Only to go and attend to that same fire and are repeat affendors. Lucy is like this, it's the same sickness, just different situation. I believe things have been going on in her mind, long before any crimes were committed. It wasn't that she hid it well....she simply did not know how to let it out properly.
they did and were threatened with being reported to the GMC ! Lucy put a Grievance in against them , can you believe it and she attend the meeting with her parents ands and union rep and the management apologised and offered her promotion and a place on a masters course! She was then put back on the unit and more babies died and the police were finally called ! the public are going nuts and want an inquiry! the doctors who complained and knew she was suspected her were interviewed after the verdict and lookes absolutely traumatised . Well you could image, people who live to save these wee babes and one of their own is doing it!
This is a bad video. So far it's lacked the context leading up to that police interview and lacking the context of the notes. Doing a deep dive im quite sure shes innocent.
What does a “typical” serial killer look like? The “typical” serial killer doesn’t kill babies. Ted bundy didn’t come across as a typical serial killer either at first, you never know what goes on in people heads and behind closed doors.
Photo comparison at 6:45. The first was a photograph from a photoshoot used in a newspaper article. The second is her mugshot. Very different circumstances indeed!
I’m English and I wish our justice system was as open as the US with interview and court footage. You need transparency
Regarding the online stalking of the parents , could she be fascinated by their intense grief because she's unable to feel such deep love and sadness for another human being herself? I was thinking about her motive ... maybe she craves to see others, the parents, break down and cry, it gives her a sense of excitement, power and fascination? What do you think Dr. G?
Thank you covering Lucy Letby!
I think the fascination with grief is less likely than the feelings of control and power. The same reason that narcissists like to cause emotional pain. It is an attempt to satisfy a need for control. The satisfaction is often fleeting so it perpetuates a cycle of awful behavior.
@@drgexplainsExactly!!! A narcissistic teacher emotionally scarred me for life. Bullies can be soooooo damned clever!!! Please reply to me.
@@drgexplainshas she been formally diagnosed with narsasism or psychopathy ? She doesn't seem to exhibit this, which I'd think would be requirement. You might want to review the case of Bevery Allit, a nurse in the 90's who was convicted of similar things in the UK as she seems psychopathic.
Jealousy is at the bottom of this. Jealousy over happy parents showing more love and affection for something she felt she would never experience in her life time.
ua-cam.com/video/57KpGQ0Nf8c/v-deo.htmlsi=l0qZ2muDqoIAMYT1 the dodgy evidence is overwhelming
Saw you on dutyron, and subbed immediately. Your voice alone is worth listening to!
each to their own.
The sadness looks like resignation. That she knew it would happen.
I think you are right.
I agree
Yes I thought this too, she’d been expecting arrest at some point.
Just maybe
I thought resignation too.
I was a nurse (now retired) I once gave a patient the wrong medication & I was in bits ! I worried myself sick, I reported it to the Drs , I barely slept that night worrying.
So to see this nurse be as cool as a cucumber throughout intensive interrogation being accused of such a horrific crime is beyond me !!
I’d be needing resuscitated !
Thank you for covering this! This case horrifies me but intrigues only bc I can’t fathom what would drive someone take the lives of innocent newborns. Truly heartbreaking.
Psych studies show the top 3 career choices for those with psychopathic traits are, in order: Corporate CEO, Medicine, Law Enforcement. They go for roles that fill their need for power, status & control.
@@sarahholland2600 I can attest to all three from personal experience.
@@sarahholland2600Yessss thisssss I've actually been telling people this, that since going to treatment like 5 times a few years ago, predators of all kinds (some just enjoy creating chaos or pain for others, some are chomos etc...) But the kind of people who abuse their power, are the kinds that go for jobs where they're given power to abuse!
I look at everyone in positions of power with a skeptical eye. Some are there to help & heal, others are there to hurt. All kinds of positions: coaches, teachers, aides, nurses, doctors, bus drivers, county clerks and so on and so forth... I see all kinds of different positions filled by good people, and also many various monsters.
What's truly frightening to me, is the ones who are often the darkest inside are the most charming in the outside! 😮😢
Munchausen syndrome
Thank you so much for covering!!
Excellent analysis Dr. G! It’s so hard to comprehend how someone could do these horrific things to innocent babies! 😢😢
I'm glad you cleared up the sadism part - I had thought the same myself, that it was definitely sadistic.
She’s extremely sadistic, she enjoyed seeing the babies & the parents suffer
Yes!! narcissists are generally sadistic and thrive on other people’s pain. This makes them feel happy because they have no real feelings of happiness themselves.
@@user-bw6iq7dd8lI doubt she was jealous. Lucy was attractive enough and sociable to have a partner but she’s a narcissist and deep down she has self loathing. She wasn’t jealous she thrived on others pain.
This DR has not looked at the case. 17 NOT 7 babies died during the 14 month period, but Letby was only present for 7 death. The yearly average for that unit was 3.
Just prior these death the unit was upgraded and shortly after this period the unit was down graded.
The msm (the source for this Dr information) have not reported this, nor wad it mentioned in the trail but can be found in the discovery documents.
@@markjones1337 yes you’re right, it was 17 deaths and possibly other attempts that went unnoticed. Lucy probably has narcissistic personality disorder, she suffered self loathing and everything else was an act - Rescuer, Persecutor, Victim.
so glad you covered this! thanks Dr G
I’m glad you did this video Dr G.
I’m very intrigued by this case. If you get any more information on this case please do another video. I would love to hear your input on it.
Thanks for the insight Dr. G
One of the babies' parents complained to the doctors that Lucy made a comment to them that they found very cold.
They were just told that unfortunately, their baby is dying (of course, after Lucy did what she did to their baby), and the doctors allowed the parents to hold and stay with their baby while dying. According to the parents, she walked into the room with what it looked like a box and told them, " ok, you said your good byes, now give me the baby" or something to that affect. Their response was that the baby is not dead yet. And they complained about her.
"...give me the baby" is a chilling comment, it demonstrates how Lucy's behaviour towards the babies and parents was merely transactional.
"...Do you want to put him in here? " was what she said, nevertheless, it is such an awful thing to say , when you never ever ever want to let your child go, let alone, while he is still alive, putting him in the moses basket( not a box) that is for deceased babies. I sometimes wonder how she wasnt slapped or shouted at by some of these parents??? She did have other remarks similar to this, for example: "I overheard what you just said that everything is going to be fine and I must say, I just don't like when parents put their hopes up at this stage, cause we never know what might happens"
Or, saying to a collegue: " he is not leaving here alive, is he? " texting to her collegue about babies who now we know , she murdered:" its an element of faith in this", or sg similar, like God took them or sg..., Entitled , psychopatic awful woman with a god complex. There were plenty of red flags. How heartbreaking it is that some parents started thinking what did they do wrong, did they piss her off, did they say sg that made their child a target? Can you imagine?😢😢😢How awful....
@@timeajenei2083Absolutely shocking, how can anyone be so cold, zero empathy.
3178. It was an awful thing to say. However, l might have said something like that too!!! A friends daughter was dying from cancer. The hospital counsellor said "You do know that your daughter is dying don't you?". My friend nearly attacked her!!! I would have seen the counsellors comments as innocent!!!
@timeajenei2083 I am going by what I read or heard on other videos, I can not remember word by word. I heard or read somewhere who quoted the parents involved calling what she had in her hand as a box and also using the term "you said your good byes, now etc etc" that is a very inappropriate comment especially when you are waiting for your baby to pass away and while she passed that comment their baby was still alive. I agree with you, and yes, I read about all the things you wrote. It does not make it easy to give her the benefit of the doubt, even with that angelic face.
I’m glad you mentioned her eyes and pupils, I mentioned months ago about how it was odd they were enlarged when the pic was taken in a very bright room. To be honest I wondered if she was on a psychotropic substance or something similar.
Thank you Dr G, because of you I find myself delving into these cases. There is tons of behind the scenes information on this case that I would have never looked into, if not for you. ❤
She was told to write a journal of her thoughts by a councillor to cope with anxiety over her suspension and the acusations that her work was inadequate and this led to some babies deaths. She wasn't yet accuded of deliberately harming babies.
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By the way, Lucy chose not to be in court to hear her sentence. They are trying to change this option given to criminals choosing to avoid attending their own sentencing in court in the UK. The crown vs Lucy Letby & only 3 ppl in the UK have been given the same sentence as Lucy, who will die in prison. Thank you so much for covering this case Dr G 🙏
Dr. G, thank you for this information. Hopefully this this kind of wisdom and insight will help us to see red flags when faced with psychopaths. Although they are so good at what they do. This case just breaks my heart for the parents of these little babies. Oh my! Keep educating us. It's so appreciated.
I'm sorry but you are the psychopath, not LL.
There is much more chance that the people writing negative things about LL are psychopaths, than that LL is guiilty.
I think it's worth noting that Letby also doesn't have any words written beneath the circled HATE portion of her letter, suggesting that she actually started the letter with the word HATE, circled it, then wrote the rest of the letter around that one word. This also tells me that covering up her own words would hurt her very badly. They are important to her. This tells me she wanted to get caught, wanted her words to be heard. I'm only speculating, of course.
I think all serial killers want and crave the attention they get after they're caught
@@valb9963Here, here!!! l would not like to be her!!!
It wasn't really a letter as it was individual words or short phrases on a post it note bit she did make copies notes in a diary.
she was getting a lot of hate (not from you but from people like you). Both you and I used the wortd "hate" in our posts. Does this mean that we "want to be caught"???
a little less speculation a little more action please - she did not do it.
I talked about this on my channel recently. Her father went storming to the hospital to protect her. Parents who never hold their children accountable can easily cause those children to become narcissistic psychopaths and murder is not far away as we see in this case. She's severely enmeshed with her parents.
Yes, so enmeshed with her parents. I read that they bought her the house and had outfitted a guestroom for their frequent sleepovers, and that Lucy accompanied them on vacation three times a year. 😳
Sounds like they were helicopter parents, and Lucy being an only child, they were said to be panicky over every little thing and overly involved in her personal life. It just sounds like they smothered her, had huge expectations and led her to believe she was very special.
Perhaps when the real world failed to see her greatness, her genetics and inability to cope with disappointment led her to revenge, evening the score for her emptiness! I imagine the attacks were like a release valve for her pent up frustration and rage.
I'm just glad she's been locked up, but shudder to think there are others just like her just as evil and dangerous!
@@americangirlx4apparently her mother said “I did it. Take me” when her daughter was arrested…
Cannot bear this adenoidal twang, nomatter how interesting the subject.
@@americangirlx4Many have wonderful parents, but do not become serial killers. Her lovely parents are not to blame. My heart goes out to Letbys parents!!! If parents are abusive they are blamed, if they are caring they are also blamed. They cannot get it "right". Please leave those poor parents alone!!!
Over protection... high expectations, not let Kids make mistakes at home, justifying them, over praising them to others, not letting them go on with their lives unless they take you along, and continue to let you control them when they reach adulthood and are able to make their onw decisions, requiring they be with you in vaccations, Live in The houve you choose for them, not approuving any young Man to be her boyfriend and eventually marry her Just because she is too good for them.. or he doe not mesure up your expectations of The very best and perfect Man for your daughter... she May end UP feeling she Will Neves marry and Never have babies...
Thank you for the excellent analysis.😢
Excellent analysis! Thank you!
I listened to an interview by one of the detectives who interviewed her and she remarked on how composed, calm and almost detached letby was in the interview. she's very controlled. to build on her suggested sadism, at her trial, I also heard testimony that Lucy would offer to bathe and dress the babies after she had killed them and would hover around the rooms of the grieving parents and sometimes smile.
great, interesting analysis as always dr G
She has an obsession with death.
The house she bought recently is right next to a graveyard!
She also bathed and dressed one of the babies and brought her back to the parents saying “she really enjoyed her bath” in a jolly manner.
The graveyard has a memorial to baby deaths….
@@AgathanagathaEven a completely innocent and caring nurse could have done that!!! Sometimes, a person might burst out laughing due to nervousness, during a solemn occasion!!! Please reply to me.
@@abelis644l do agree, but could be a coincidence. I know of normal people who like a walk in a graveyard, because it is peaceful!!!
It would be interesting to know what her childhood was like.
Overly doting parents,a single child
The parents should have been interviewed. There's one of her friend who speaks very well of her. Apparently she became a nurse because she had difficult birth herself and was grateful of the nurses who saved her life.
I see and observe this person ( Lucy ) as having VERY deep insecurities and vulnerabilities that she covers up and is ashamed of .This may seem obvious to her and us now ,but her loss of control and inability to stop ,intensified her shame and hatred of her weaknesses .
Her intense anger and humiliation was directed at the vulnerable babies that she identified with and wanted to destroy .Her anger at her over protective parents was also directed at the babies parents as an act of revenge ,but covered up as a moral concern ..I wonder if she was in a constant state of shock and disbelief when she couldn’t find a way to stop. Her quiet demeanor on her arrest and interrogation was resignation ,relief and disbelief all rolled into a frozen state .It’s a great shame that no one spotted her false
Persona before this tragedy was unleashed .
She was born with some neurological disfunctions, she could kill and not feel remorse.
@@alyngrace123not necessarily born with disjunctions but she probably developed her narcissistic personality from a fairly young age. She may have been neglected in terms of parental guidance, taught right from wrong and used to having everything her way.
you are inventing all this. She is a patsy, The doctors are the ohnes you should be investigating. Their accusations are unfounded.
Keep up the amazing work 👏
Thank you Dr. G. Fascinating case. I enjoy your insight.
@drgexplains for all the knowledge coming out of the woodwork in this case now, it could be very interesting to hear your second thoughts on the notes and body language, now knowing that she was bullied for years by colleagues, might be innocent as well as the notes were written as part of therapy - would it change your thoughts ? I’m curious !
Update: 03.09.24
24 expert statisticians and neonatologists have written to the justice minister, voicing their concerns over the prosecution evidence. Also, Sir David Davies MP and Nadine Dorries MP are investigating the same concerns.
I think it takes a special kind of evil to hurt babies
I think it takes a special kind of evil to make unfounded accusations.
@@richardmullins44 bless your heart
They are investigating Lucy's whole career and will be reviewing every patient at every hospital she ever trained or worked in. It could take years for everything to be revealed, however I do think there are many more case and will see a progression when they get to the start of it all. Heartbreaking!😢
Shame they aren’t investigating the deadly bacterial infection in the water, and raw sewage in the sinks during 2015/ 2016
there's nothing there, that is obvious, she is a patsy.
100K! way to go Dr. G!! 🎊🎊
Love your stuff Dr. G. It is hard to fathom how anyone could do this to babies. She seems so innocent looking. You just never know who can do this. Brutal!
Hi, great insight you give. The picture you showed of her not smiling was taken at the police station after she was arrested. The house she owned, which she wanted more than anything, just happens to overlook a cemetery for babies, her bedroom window literally backs onto and has a great view of a cemetery. The police are looking into 4000 cases from other hospitals she worked in, they feel she might be responsible for more deaths. 😢
@kate-pure Sad but true. But she is hard to read, she gives nothing away. A lot of people think she might be innocent.
Omg wtf that's DAAARK and yeah I've not heard anyone else say this!!!
4000 hospitals? As relief nurse? Even if that number is so big that her cv will not looks good for employment…
@petervlcko4858 4000 possible victims. This case isn't over yet, not by a long way.
For much more information of the trial and more info on Letby there's a great UA-cam channel, called, Crime Scene 2 Courtroom. You'll get much more info about Letby on there. 👍
Great video as usual
I love your analysis, Dr G❤
I don't think she looks sad i think she looks intensely worried.
and guilty as hell!
Great job making an easy to follow list .
This is one of the most heinous crimes I have heard of, So very disturbing., Who could do that . Despicable person.
the peoeple who say she is despicable are the ones who are despicable.
Awesome video Dr. G
She's a very cold, calm and calculating psychopath. It's all a facade for her...she has dead eyes. Even when she puts on that smile, there's nothing there. Thank you Dr. G
An evil looking person, may not be an abuser, or a serial killer!!!
.....her eyes in the happy photos look ok........the dead eyes in the mug shot are the real Lucy........repressed and cut off by her suffocating parents.......
@@marthacochrane484Can't read too much into a mug shot, its not a situation we are used to in normal life, plus we don't know how long they'd kept her awake when it was taken. Police not known for their photography skills either!
Everyone trying hard to give her that Myra Hindley mugshot look!!!!
@@idi0tdetectioninprogress Yes thats very true........but knowing something of her background etc......the eyes are dead.........and she looked like that when they arrested her.......in stark comparison to her photos.....where she looks attractive......the false persona......
@@marthacochrane484 You only know/believe what the media is showing.
She merely looked a little shell shocked, which is completely understandable. First ever arrest, and she knew it was time for the rubber to meet the road.
Arrest me at 6am and they'd think Charles Manson was back!!!
Ty for another informative video
She shrank back because she was being attacked by the police. The police are professional interrogators. They grilled her for hours,weeks ,months. But never got a confession. I'm not saying that I think that she is innocent, I just don't trust the hospital, courts or police to give her a fair trial
I’m a nurse. I just can’t fathom a SERIAL KILLER NURSE. it just blows my mind. I can’t comprehend. We are supposed to be the most CARING profession. I just can’t with her. I don’t get it. Great breakdown tho doc!!
Im a nurse too. When I worked bedside, I would pray before my shifts that my patients would remain stable and my hands would provide comfort and healing. My worst nightmare would be if I made an error that harmed a patient. I can't imagine deliberately harming a patient...and to harm preemies and neonates...I honestly can't wrap my head around it. This is death penalty level of crimes imo, but UK will only do life in prison
@@pam1905 yes I agree if there’s ever a case that justifies the death penalty this one is up there
Caring Profession 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
the worst serial killer in history was a nurse, If memory serves me right. she had killed hundreds and hundreds of children. there have been many serial killers in the medical profession, sadly. look into it.
@@gabeskyler6068 Many old people on hospital wards die from neglect. Mealtime arrives and nobody will help them with their food. Food remains untouched. They basically starve to death. Nurses take their own breaks when patient food arrives. Fact !
Would it be possible to include links to the videos you use?
Your take is great, as always. Thanks for your expertise!
Sure thing! I'll link them when I get a chance. Thanks!
I thought it was reported that these notes were written well after the murders and essentially placed and expected to be discovered and dissected by law enforcement. Wouldn’t that greatly change the message she is conveying?
Thank you for covering this tragic case. There is much to learn from Lucy’s psychology.
She never thought she did anything wrong, so she's probably astonished
Maybe the HATE she wrote is about what she experienced from others. I think it was notes from her therapy she got after she was suspected. Why assume she is guilty?
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I don't trust those notes of hers at all. When she wrote them she knew she was under suspicion, and my feeling is she wrote them with the intention of them being found by the police. I've seen an interview with one of the lead detectives on the case, and he said the same thing. I get the impression that she was trying to create the impression of being in a state of inner turmoil while the finger of suspicion was being pointed at her, but I struggle to believe it. I don't believe anything she says - or writes. I don't believe a word that comes from her. I'm in the UK and this case has absolutely shaken me to my core.
How? Notes certainly didn’t help her, nor did she attempt to use them to plead insanity
whitestripe, I don't believe anything you write, I think you need professional help if you think that LL is guilty.
whitestripe71, to be clear, I don't believe a word that comes from you.
that observation about the dilation of her pupils in that photo when she's in her nurse outfit holding the baby clothes made me uneasy, at first I thought it could've been her the camera/lens flare messing with her eyes but if her pupils were dilating out of excitement that means she was either getting that from having her photo taken or holding baby clothes with her nurse get up, it's creepy. the pupils are huge, eyes almost black, reminded me of how ted bundy's eyes would turn black when he would get excited about killing.
Endless photos of her .endless selfies like a real narcissist. Strange that even with others the photograph seemed to be about her not anybody else. The strong excitement in some of these photos is disturbing . You are correct..It is worrying
Could be wrong here but, I’m pretty sure that when the pupil of the human eyeball dilates it’s due to an involuntary reaction based upon the levels of light the retina is being subjected to and not an emotional response to glee. The human iris can’t be voluntary controlled.
georgia, I sorry, it's you and the others who get off on attacking LL who are creepy.
your comments are what is creepy.
I thought this was a very accurate assessment and really paints a picture of a "modern" serial killer, using technology to stalk her victims, gaining pleasure from the pain of others via social media. What I think it is lacking is the background / childhood of Lucy Letby in greater detail, she clearly got a kick out of killing the babies and having control, so it makes me wonder if growing up, she had situations of zero control, was abused or had trauma that she internalised, and then as an adult inflicted in her own sadistic way.
Exactly that needs to be looked at.
the psychopaths are the ones commenting on her. LL is a patsy.
Thank you for covering this case. I've been following UK news about her. I also work in healthcare and I just can't understand how this happens. I just don't know how you go from saving lives to taking them. It seems like she had a thing for going after multiples. She killed twins and triplets. Is that to increase the pain to the families? I guess the percentage of multiples in the NICU is higher because they are more likely to be delivered prematurely.
Some people go in it for the money and control. Some people think their good acts entitle them to play god. Shitty people in all sectors of society, even healing professions
a basic fact you shouldf. Death ratye in an NICU is high - one study said 10%, another said 29%. I did not think there was an NICU at Letby's hospital but I foudn out that babies had been shipped in from other hopitals' NICU's, in 2015 and 2016. I foudn this on CHAT-GPT. It said I could put in an FIO request to Counterss of Chester to find out the number of babies who had come in 2015 and 2016 from other hosppitals' NICUs. The fact that this fact has not been mentioned at all means that the whole exercise against LL is a cover up. She is a patsy.
You have missed the point that the personal notes that helped convict her were written on the advice of counsellors to help the nurse deal with the extreme stress of the work environment.
Exactly! Lucy’s Counsellor advised Lucy to write-down her distressing emotions - which she did: “.. I am not good enough .. “; she felt powerless to save the premature poorly babies …. There WAS NO CRIME COMMITTED - The neo-natal babies were all very poorly since recent birth. There was raw-sewage backing-up into the Neo-natal Ward - babies were all very premature …. Make sure you know all these facts before voicing opinions
This is sad, nurses should provide the ultimate in life saving care... Not murder. RIP to all the babies and prayers to the ones that survived and have permanent damage to their bodies 😢 prayers to all of their families. Thank you Dr G, great analysis! .
Yes so very sad for this exact reason. I'm an RN & Midwife & in all my years I've never had a thought of hurting a patient. Especially premmies :(
Sad is the understatement of the century.
I completely agree with number 3 and 4 about the note. That note screamed excuses and trying to ask for forgiveness before she gets found out. She knew she would get found out as she was investigated for a long time. You are the first person I have seen bring this up. Her level of manipulation is scary!
Thanks for the video!
There is something fake and self-conscious about it, like she wanted it to be seen.
Yes I think it was the only way to tell her parents.
Have been waiting for this one 👍
Analyse why the Dr who caught her red handed (virtually) standing over a baby didn’t mention this fact that was “emblazoned on his memory” to anyone at all for 9 months including Police, colleagues or managers. Not even during interviews related to the grievance proceedings where he expressed concern (faux) for Letby.
Another way of saying someone was VIRTUALLY caught red handed, is to say that someone was NOT caught red handed...
He told hospital management about it immediately.
@@lennymice2261 no, first he was said there was no evidence against her and the only concerning thing was how many traumatic scenes she has witnessed and expressed concern for her in that regard...just Google it...youtube won't let me post a link to any articles...
@@lennymice2261 no, first he was said there was no evidence against her and the only concerning thing was how much trauma she had witnessed and expressed concern for her...just look it up...youtube won't let me post any links...
@@lennymice2261 no, first he was said there was no evidence against her and the only concerning thing was how much trauma she had witnessed and expressed concern for her...just look it up...I cant post any links...
Thank you Dr G 🇬🇧 🇬🇧
It's now suspected that she's been attacking babies for a very long time, with one alleged murder going back to early 2013 (the investigation is ongoing, this trial only covered one year of her career). The dilated pupils photo was taken in early 2013, but I think the likelihood of it being related to her just having attacked a baby is somewhat statistically small. The photo was because she was the poster girl for a fundraising campaign for the neonatal unit, and I imagine this attention was exciting and would have given her a lot of narc fuel.
the psychopaths in this case are the ones attacking Letby.
Been waiting on this!!!!
I'd Love to hear your thoughts on her choice of victims. She seemed to target twins are triplet babies. That's definitely an interesting aspect of this Unbelievably Tragic Case.
I wonder if she's just sad no one killed her during her knee surgery.
It's ironic that she now hasn't got a leg to stand on........
Thanks Dr G your analysis is always appreciated.
This case is so baffling and your video clarifies the questions.
I reckon Lucy is narcissistic and suffers from Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
People with this mental health illness suffer from self loathing and generally play three roles of rescuer, persecutor, victim and are incredibly manipulative.
I really enjoy your analysis. Do you have any book recommendations about this topic body language?
Ae you aware she was medicated by the time she was interviewed? I think that accounts for some of her lack of emotion.
I worked as a neonatal nurse in the 80s and this whole case has really shocked me, especially managements refusal to even meet the medical staff half way to check Letby wasn’t responsible.
Two things that really hit me from the trial was when she burst in on grieving parents to take their child away stating ‘you’ve said your goodbyes’ and coming back in to tell grieving parents that their dead child had ‘enjoyed her bath’. She wasn’t a very young inexperienced nurse at that time so you can’t say it was just a thoughtless misspeak. She knew their pain and inflicted more.
I know there are a lot of people who remain unconvinced by the fact it was totally a circumstantial case, but I remember how Prosecutor Kelly Sieglar explained circumstantial cases using the analogy of pencils: if you take one pencil, you can break it. Put lots of pencils together and they are so strong you can’t break them. A lot of circumstantial evidence, as in this case, gives a strong verdict imo. It was a long considered trial, and the jury took their time and carefully considered all of the evidence before rendering their verdict. They heard ALL the evidence where most of us haven’t. I think juries get it right in 99.9% of cases, giving more false not guilty than guilty verdicts these days.
you weren't there - whatever you were told may have been misquoted. Its obvious that this prosecution is false.
I'm sorry you cannot rely on third hand accounts of what was said. The accusations against Letby are fake. That is obviouos at a glance. The accusers are either malicious or as dumb as the proverbial.
This is why I am afraid of being admitted to the hospital. It's actually more common that nurses are killers than people realize. People tend to think that dangerous medical staff will be easily and consistently weeded out but this IS.....NOT.....TRUE!! If you feel uncomfortable speak up to someone and dont talk yourself out of it. Not saying assume they are killers, lol, but trust yourself.
Fits the same pattern of other killers who were nurses; in that suspicions were raised with management whom ignored the concerns thereby allowing the killer to take more lives. She's a monster and there needs to be an inquiry into decisions made by the management of this hospital.
the monsters are the people who are commenting against Letby.
Great video
it drives me mad that there is a total lack of respect for the fact that she does not fit the profile of a serial killer!
- Only 16% of serial killers are female
- No motive was ever established. Serial killers are usually motivated financially or for power but she gained neither
- No consistent MO
- [ ]Different for every baby
- [ ] Why change if you’ve been successful?
- [ ] she had not searched for methods of killing babies so if so little is known about injecting air into babies and the effect it would have, why would she have done that
- Females don’t take trophies. It was said that the hand over notes were trophies but no previous female killer has been known to take trophies
- No previous mental illness or psychopathy
- No alcohol or substance abuse
- no evidence that she was ever abused-emotionally, physically, or sexually-by a family member
- no previous criminal record or any mention of violent behaviour. No killing kittens/ puppies, lighting fires etc.
The list goes on. So we’re meant to believe she’s a female serial killer who coincidentally doesn’t fit the profile!
The coincidences that you have to be prepared to accept are mind blowing!
Coincidentally there was a female serial killer (likelihood 1:7,000,000) rampaging through a NICU at the same time as a high spike in deaths ie she killed 7 but what about the other 10 that died?
The chances of naturally conceived identical triplets is between 1 in a million and 1 in 200 million (estimates vary) and we’re meant to believe there happened to be a female serial killer, and a rare unexplained spike in deaths just at the time that identical triplets were born at CoCH!
thank you jommyzchivago !!!!!!!!!!!! I found yesterday that babies from (neonatal) NICU's io other hospitals were moved to Countess of Chester in 2015 and 2016. The death rates for such babies is much much higher (as much as 29%) than for babiesnot in NICU. I think this explains everything. At present I don't know how many babies were moved as this info was not released !!!!
She fits Munchausen by proxy though
Good info!
I watch a series on BritBox called 24 Hours in Police Custody, and I’ve been stunned how polite and cordial law enforcement is to the people under arrest. Perhaps the judge stopped short of calling this woman a sadist because that would have seemed rude.
The law enforcement here in the UK are very different from those in the USA. I'd say the judge was very typical of a UK judge. We are a very small island and don't see the amount of crime that's seen in the USA. I think alot of that has to do with our strict gun laws. In the USA anyone can get a gun within reason and they're on hand when anyone feels angry and it's the first thing they reach for. Yet here in the UK it's really only "the bad guys" and maybe farmers who own guns.
Sadism is getting your kicks out of behaviour that harms others.
It doesn't necessarily have to be violent, it can be psychological abuse too.
British need to get a do over on politeness 😊...to balance it out, British sarcasm is on another extreme 😂
There's been no in depth psychiatric or psychological assessments
In the UK, police interrogations are recorded and governed by strict national rules that do not include aggressive or threatening behaviour. Politeness and multiple cups of tea have the merit of encouraging many suspects to talk, rather than immediately requesting the duty solicitor (lawyering up). British police are trained to employ the same patient approach in hostage situations, unless a victim is in immediate danger, in which case a highly trained Armed Response Unit is deployed in minutes. It works.
Are serial killers born? Did her upbringing and life experiences bring her to this point? Are her parents partly to blame by, as it seems, not allowing her to grow up and exercising too much control over her? It is frightening to think that a human is born evil.
I m a retired nurse and I m not surprised. Sorry for saying this to my own people. Social or medical professions are a melting pot for psychopaths. It's all about control over vulnerable clients. It s all about power. Those psychopaths act out their need for dominating their clients. They need to be superior. By interacting with the most vulnerable ones, babies and newborns, they get triggered and accomplish their most sadistic acts.
@@LostHorizons0 no she doesn’t. It’s true!
@@LostHorizons0 you’re very much ignorant. 🙄
@@LostHorizons0. You’ve obviously never worked with nurses 😂😂😂
@@LostHorizons0 I’ve worked in the health service for over 30 years. A high percentage of nurses I’ve worked with are the nastiest creatures on gods earth. All they care about is their own children , lifestyle and pension !
I just experienced that with my husband who died a week ago. He was mistreated and left to die plain and simple. They were deliberately hurting him and drugging him when he did anything normal. He went in for lung cancer and got zero treatment for it and it quickly spread throughout his body. I could see and sense the joy on the staff’s faces. I REALLY want to sue the hospital but I don’t know how to go about it. Doctors and nurses disgust me.🤮 Any information you can provide about a lawsuit would be greatly appreciated.😊
How still she was is the first thing i noticed when it was on the news it seemed so strange. so very sad for the parents and families
Hi Dr. G is there any reason why we have had so many medical serial murderers in the UK?
Good question! I could be that they are just more frequently caught in the UK.
Thank you it's scary but very possible
Would have liked to have seen more of the interrogation video & the notes to see what she said in them.
Excellent video, new subscriber.
One reason the parents were so smothering could be because Lucy’s own birth was a difficult one. They then became overprotective. She also became a nurse because of her own difficult birth, a sort of payback or acknowledgement of the nurses that delivered her.
I also think that something went wrong when she was born. And that the parents felt this and tried to help her, protect her. I don't think though she chose to have a medical job as a kind of subconscious result of this all.
Her Dad has two kids from a previous marriage. Delia
I heard that they didn't find the notes the first time she was arrested and searched in various places. It was subsequent searches in the same places that they found the writings, and the police felt they may have been left on purpose.
I am a year later. But as a retired Medical Scientist I have huge reservations that the conviction is safe.
Poor babies 😢 glad that she won’t be able to hurt anyone else.
@@Aerie925 incompetent doctors and a failed hospital "hurt" them, not a nurse.
Also, remember that nurses who work in critical care areas with adults or babies have in many ways learned to control their emotions in high anxiety situations. That may be part of why she acts the way she does during her interview. We experience life threatening situations and death tremendously more than the average person.
She seems so quiet and mild mannered and non emotional. It makes me wonder if she's on the autism spectrum. Do I think that everybody's autistic since i found it that I am at 34? Yes. Yes, I do. However, that would explain why she couldn't find a man, or at least why she thought she couldn't find a man. I wish we could've seen the trial.
I am glad I'm not the only person that thinks she's on the spectrum hence her behaviour.
Best assessment I've heard, thank you.
But on her arrest, she looked more horrified to me than sad. She looked in a shock and wasn't even breathing. She was like terrified just imagining what was waiting for her. I don't know if anyone else agrees with me on this.
I agree.......she looks frozen and numb.........in shock........
To me she looked totally resigned to the inevitable, as though she knew it was going to happen, and that it was the one thing that would prevent her causing any more deaths and injuries. IMO she was a totally conflicted person, she knew she was unable to stop herself harming babies because for whatever reason she had a compulsion to act in that way, and could not stop, but she also knew it was so very wrong and that she was a very bad person I'd guess that deep diwn she was relieved to have been removed from her situation. But admit to the crimes? Never in a million years, she either truly believed she didn't do it, bir else she was too terrified to acknowledge the truth because she knew it would destroy the persona and control she had constructed for herself. And without that she would be a nothing, a non-entity who had to go back to square one and deal with her real self and whatever had caused her to be the person she had become.
Hi Dr G, I would be interested in seeing your analysis of some of the cases from the UK where the perpetrator has joined in the search or even done TV interviews/appeals. A couple that come to mind are Ian Huntley and Mick Philpott. Thanks 👍
Thank you for looking at this one. I wonder if you might compare her notes to Kathleen Folbigg’s (Australian woman recently had conviction overturned).
Interesting, I'll have to look into her case. I'm not familiar with it.
You should also consider the voices that believe she did it. You may want to look up the Dutch nurse acquitted of murder.
Im aftaid you are most likely to be the subject of ridicule once her conviction is deemed unsafe; and thence bringing your profession into disrepute.
Should this occur, you should seriously consider the option of re evaluating your knowledge base.
In any event, your analysis lacked any academic rigour, and appeared unbecoming
I've arrested scores of people, and they all act differently, then and when being interviewed. I started by being shocked at the deaths, then surprised at the lack of real 'evidence', then concerned by an 'unsafe' conviction, and now I truly believe her to be innocent; odd, yes, but innocent. Framed by corrupt doctors at a failed hospital.
I agree: Lucy is innocent. I have no doubt whatsoever. I am shocked by the lynching-mob comments being made 😨
Sure you have. We believe you.
Other nurses and Doctors should have picked up that something was not right with her. They work next to her every day, they must have noticed something in her demeanour? I believe that she could not stop what she was doing once she started it. A Compulsive Behaviour Disorder. She also to me, seems that she has trouble with expressing/dealing with her feelings and in the right way. Her notes to me were a cry for help. Plus her mind was full of much confused thoughts. She wanted to put it down in writing to try and make sense of it for herself. You know how sometimes Fire Fighters will light a fire putting other lives in danger, knowing the people are vulnerable. Only to go and attend to that same fire and are repeat affendors. Lucy is like this, it's the same sickness, just different situation. I believe things have been going on in her mind, long before any crimes were committed. It wasn't that she hid it well....she simply did not know how to let it out properly.
Several staff were openly suspicious of Lucy Letby and raised concerns to senior management. They were threatened and forced to apologise to Letby !
they did and were threatened with being reported to the GMC ! Lucy put a Grievance in against them , can you believe it and she attend the meeting with her parents ands and union rep and the management apologised and offered her promotion and a place on a masters course! She was then put back on the unit and more babies died and the police were finally called ! the public are going nuts and want an inquiry! the doctors who complained and knew she was suspected her were interviewed after the verdict and lookes absolutely traumatised . Well you could image, people who live to save these wee babes and one of their own is doing it!
Body language ?
What about proof ?
Dr G and the others are the psychopaths, not LL. It's ironic that someone who calles himself Dr. G appears to think LL is the narcissist.
Thanks a lot. I understund better now. Before I could not grasp how this friendly looking person was able to do something like these murders.
This is a bad video. So far it's lacked the context leading up to that police interview and lacking the context of the notes. Doing a deep dive im quite sure shes innocent.
Hats off to you Dr G .. she’s SO hard to read .
She hardly opens her mouth at all . She’s scary!!’ Who knows what she’s keeping a secret.
Her expression is bewilderment. Poor girl.
🎯 Good point; bewildered that an innocent person could be arrested. ☮️
great! hope they will release full police interrogation
She doesn't fit the role of a typical serial killer? Maybe because she isn't ?
What does a “typical” serial killer look like? The “typical” serial killer doesn’t kill babies. Ted bundy didn’t come across as a typical serial killer either at first, you never know what goes on in people heads and behind closed doors.
Photo comparison at 6:45. The first was a photograph from a photoshoot used in a newspaper article. The second is her mugshot. Very different circumstances indeed!
AND the attempted murder of 6 other babies. 😡
The murderer Ian Huntley hit me and the nation hard back in the early 2000s. Could you do a video on that?
This commentator looks even silly now than he did a year ago.
Great analysis thank you. UK cases are going to be difficult as our system is not as open as in US.