This is one of THE best reviews I've ever seen. Period. I appreciate how thorough you are and how you show examples for each light. I think that I will check out the ML60. I just love how portable it is and that it can run off of batteries. You have a new subscriber 👍🏼
I’ve commented this before, but I’ll say it again. You, and your videos, are AWESOME! Thank you for making this and THANK YOU for showing how they can be used as a key light.
I've got the ML 60 and very happy with it. I love it's portability even though I rarely move it more than a few feet each week. But that's just me. I've only got one fork, one knife and 2 spoons too to save on clutter.
Hahaha, love it! I'm the same sorta way, keep it minimal if possible (use one fork for as much as possible). Glad you love the ML60, I do too! It's very handy
Minimalism is key to a happy life. Yet I have too many things. I try getting rid of two things every time I buy one new. The ml60bi is probably the one I’d get if I had to have only one light.
What a well-versed, informative, balanced and pleasant comparison. Not only do you seem to know your stuff, your kind heart shows and it will propel you forward. Thanks for your time.
Your channel has been immensly helpful. I've been researching lights for getting into interview filmmaking and had no idea where to start. Thank you so much for this content!
You are most welcome! :D I'm hoping to make content around lighting interviews in the near future! Any specific areas you want to know more about or need help in?
@@FellowFilmmaker I will (hopefully) be doing client work in a wide variety of locations. Knowing how to light various places correctly (from a mechanics garage to a medical clinic) is next on my list to learn after finding the right gear to get me started. Thanks!
I have the ML60 and SL60 and love them both. I may pick up the ML60Bi as well. Loving how portable and small they are. Great video too. Love how you use these lights
Wow wow wow!! New fan over here👋🏾, what a spot on review 👏🏾. I have the SL60, a VL300 and just got the ML60. Went to two weddings and noticed both videographers were using the ML60s for lighting parts of the reception. Can’t wait to use mine, I have my 1st two weddings coming up in Aug 🤞🏾😅🤞🏾.
I currently use the SL60W with a Photogenic Ion 120 Whr AC battery sine-wave inverter attached to the light stand and can get just over 2 hours of solid run time at 60% and no wires to trip over. Need more tun time? Get a 300 Whr inverter from amazon to run two at the same time. Sine-wave output is important! So long as the yoke is well tightened, there is no rotation experienced. I do like the pressure tightening mechanism for smoother positioning rather than the clunky style of the notched ridges, but that's just a style. Tighten down, and nothing will move or droop.
You delivered on your statement and this was extremely helpful. I feel the same way about the ML60, the portability is what does it for me. I may have to get a second one now.
A great comparison here Heather! I've been looking for a smaller Bowens light to use alongside my Pixapro COB lights and this video has been really helpful in seeing the pro and cons of each one. I think ht ML60bi is going to be the one for me as the rest of my light's are bi-colour so that should fit in well with my setup. Thanks for posting :-)
great overview video. I've been using the SL60 for a year and a half now and i'm quite satisfied with the light quality except for the unforgiven fan noise(can be mod but too much of a hassle) and ergonomics. ML60Bi is definitely the better light to start with if people could stretched their budget lil bit more.
The ML60 and ML60bi can also be powered by a v mount battery. All you need is a d-tap to DC cable, V mount battery and a battery plate or clamp to attach to a light stand. You can probably use the velcro V Mount that comes with the light. This makes adjusting the light easier since you don't have the two NP batteries in the way when adjusting the downward angle. I still use the NP batteries for using the light hand held.
Thoughts on my sl60's from a shoot this last weekend. I was also doing sound, and the fan never registered on my consciousness as being there. We were in about a maybe 15x30 semi-echo-y room shooting a scene with two chairs and a table. The lights were maybe about 8 feet away from the table being used as fill (I think around 50%), and fan noise never registered either with my own ears or through headphones. (For reference: audio was Samson c02 into Tascam dr-60d Mk II with Sennheiser HD 280 headphones.)
I think it's worth pointing out that the fan noise issue on the sl60w was addressed by Godox. I know the initial run had terrible fan noise, to the point that people were replacing the fan with a PC silent fan with slight modding. Godox eventually fixed the issue, not sure how, and now the sl60w's are pretty quiet. I have one that I've been using for over a year, bought May 2020, and even at higher temps fan noise is only heard if you place your ear directly up to the light.
I'm a working video pro and can share that I have had NO trouble whatsoever using the SL60. Fan noise? Seriously? I shoot high end interviews all the time [often as my own Sound Tech] and have NEVER picked up any discernible fan noise using the SL60. Not once - never. It works great with my collapsible beauty disk style soft box as either a key or a large, soft backlight; and the remote is definitely more handy than you'd think.
The USB-C standard is currently getting approved for 100 watts of power delivery, I wonder how long it will be before we start seeing a super slick USB setup without needing chunky boxes and cables. If Godox made a USB-C bicolour s30 focusing light with app control I'd sell my shoes to buy one.
That certainly would be interesting if they were to lean into that :D Although, I hope you have more than one pair of shoes if you're selling them for that kind of light! :D
I have 3 godox sl60w on 3 neewer c stands with 2 hex godox softboxes with grids. All 3 fans have been replaced with silent fan mods. Build 2 large bank lights with dual 5600k bulbs lighting green screen. Came from yonguna led lights. Light off these lights is beautiful. Plus most you tubers don't make much money. I've earn 21000 on my channel so I invest as I actually make money every month. Feel sorry for new channels as the restrictions to get monitized is hard. My main job I'm a trucker but UA-cam is weekend thing. Your videos look good. I use canon g30 camcorder. It's last camcorder that has same digit processor as c100 mkii. Lens is full zoom and stays locked at f2.8 thru entire zoom. 1.8fstop at full zoom out. It's hooked to atomos ninja 2. I was tempted to go dslr but glad I stayed with a film only camera. DC plug, clean hdmi, focus peaking, zebras, broadcast signals. If you want to see my rig I did a video with small rig cage build. Anyway keep up the videos. .....
Off-topic Photography strobe - AD300 Pro comment: Just realized I can use my ML60 handle with my AD300 Pro for quick, assisted portrait shots outdoors. Time to test if it is stronger than the yoke that comes with the AD300 which, as per my copy, needs a lot of torque when used with the AD-S85W Godox Mount softbox. Current solution for that is using it with the same softbox but within the S2 bracket.
Dang! Well done on this review 👏 👏 👏 love how through and all the B-Roll you worked into it. Live all the text graphics. This must have taken you a week to put together! Lol totally subscribing! So, I shoot a lot of documentary style interviews indoors and I'm sick of struggling to get enough light out of my 660led panel light. I'm looking for a good key light in the $300-ish range. Bi-colour would be nice (but not necessary) I just never want to struggle for light again. What would you recommend?
Happy to hear you enjoyed the video! :D I do try to put alot of quality and helpfulness into them all! If you want a decent keylight around $300 that is bi-color, you might look into the Aputure 200x. I have the 200d, daylight only version, and its pretty solid. If you have concerns of fan noise and want a totally fanless option I do love my Godox UL150. The UL150 is not bi-color but is a powerful and silent light. So if you go that route you could use gels to get the bi-color aspect (which, technically, when you gel a daylight only light you'll get more intensity than if you use a bi-color light).
@@FellowFilmmaker OMG, you rock! Thank you so much for the quick reply! Had no idea about the Amaran line of lights. Love the 200x but it's a bit out of my price range. Do you think the 100x would be bright enough, at 34,300lux, with a softbox to use as my key light? or would the 200d be the better choice and just use gels?
Thanks so much for this video. It was very straightforward and informative. I'm thinking about getting the ML60bi. Would you happen to have a run time with the NP batteries?
Thanks, glad you're enjoying the channel :D And I record it using a Rode NTG5 through an audio interface onto my computer then sync it up in post. Otherwise, a lav of some sort. Lately its the DJI wireless lavs
@@FellowFilmmaker Well, i'm currently looking for a key light and my main concern about 60w led is that they might be too weak for some situations (in terms of light output). I was considering buying the sokani x60 rgb, because I wanted a affordable bicolor light. The sl100bi seems to be a more flexible and durable option because of the power output. The downside is that it doesn't work with batteries. So, what I really like to know is: Which one is better for a good keylight? (Sorry about my english, I'm from Brazil)
Your english is fine, dont worry! And those are great questions! If bi-color is all you want, have you considered the Aputure Amaran 200x? Might be a nice affordable option with higher outputs (still no battery, but hey). Otherwise, you if you need battery option and high output you've got things like Aputure 300x or even panel lights like Nanlite Mixpanel 150
@@FellowFilmmaker The Amaran light would be a great option, but here in Brazil they are too expensive. They cost twice as much the sl100bi. Thanks for the answer though! I love your content!
This was a great review! Thank you! I’m definitely going to buy the ML60bi for studio work. Would you recommend it for lighting a speaker at a wedding venue or event or should I go with a higher output?
It can be used in a wedding setting like you mentioned, I've seen others on youtube show it for those purposes. A higher output would be helpful if you need to combat with the sun .
I love your videos. Try keeping the background music a bit lower or just off completely. We don’t come to you for “music”. At times it’s too distracting. Hope this helps.
Great comparison, but tbh I would have used the same exact modifier (reflector/softbox/umbrella...you name it) to measure the light output, as those reflectors are REALLY different in technology (the SL60 has a "std" silver inner coating, while the others seems to have the "mirror" coating I call it), and so one of the most important data from the comparison (the actual light output difference in lux, given that the base power is 60w declared for all of them) gets totally lost, and that's really sad.
@@FellowFilmmaker +1 to that. Was checking out the launch video of the 60x and it's exactly what the ML60 is - compact, easy to use, inexpensive, and has a Bowens mount. I'm guessing you can't go wrong with either, but the ML60 has been around for longer.
Good comparison, although I'd love to see a more practical measurement. I have been using my minolta flash meter set for 24fps and iso 400 and metering from 1 meter to get some figures. There are a couple of basic facts of physics that you can use. because essentially light spreads out as the distance increases. At half the distance you get 2 more stops brightness and double you get 2 stops less. You can use your camera aperture scale as a calculator 1, 1.4 ,2, 2.8, 4 [5.6, 8, 11, 16 ...] so if you have a light at 2 meters subject distance at 1 meter its 2 stops brighter at 1.4 meters 1 stop brighter and 2.8 meters 1 stop dimmer and 4 meters 2 stops dimmer. The other thing to note is that you can add power together so 2 lights of equal brightness is 1 stop brighter than either light on its own. It's also worth noting 2 lights of different power at the same distance you can pretty much ignore the smaller light it adds a little but only a fraction of a stop.put it near something else and that thing will be brighter in the over all scene. If you need more information then photometrics is a good keyword. If you can't measure in practice then you can find Lux to EV tables to convert Lux to EV and calculate an F-stop value. ok so some practice at 24fps Iso 400 at 1 meter my neewer 660 bicolor panel gave me f5.6 at full power both banks the yellow and white banks on their own gave f4 which makes sense f4 +f4 = 1 stop brighter f5.6. So bare in mind that a 660 led lamp with a single color would be 1 stop brighter than the manufacturers bi color, also RGB lights are worse since the power is divided by 5 sets of leds. Ok I have a light similar to the SL60W and with its reflector at 1 meter 1 measured F16 (without about F8) The modifier you use will make a considerable difference. An interesting light i looked at was the Andoer KY-150W similar to the sl60W but lousy build quality and supports running from 2 NPF batteries but 150 watts right, wrong! I measured it at 1 meter full power in its reflector and got F8. 2 stops dimmer! There is a youtube video around that compares the KY-150W and shows the light value as visually being about the same, it's actually much worse. So if you are buying a light hopefully the manufacturer gives a lux value find a lux to ev conversion table and you can get an idea of what a light will do
Sadly the lux values manufactures are using are kind of fudgey, so to speak. I believe it was Gerald Undone who did a pretty decent video on light meters and measurements. But yes, there's alot to light! Thanks for sharing so much knowledge here!
Not so badly that I would say they weren't useable. I think both really performed well and although the bi is a bit lesser in brightness, it still compares great. So, if you're considering it, I'd say get it. :D
I am tossing up between the ML60 and the UL60 as I need something bright while also being battery powered. I do plan on projecting the light as far as I can outdoors for a music video like spotlights, but does the ML60 on battery power get a decrease in overall brightness output, or can it still perform at max brightness on NPF batteries?
The main way to light a green screen is with a few lights and softboxes to get an even light across the green screen so that it can be keyed easily in post production
Thanks for reply, I have godox VL300 light, i am looking buy one bi-colour light i shoot music video work, i Confused between, Amaran 200x and godox sz200bi, witch one you think Better output light when use on 2800k to 3200k, and godox sz200bi light have glass front on light is this on Effect on light output? Thanks
I can't speak for them myself since I haven't used either yet. Both will likely yield similar results to be honest. It does appear that the Aputure 200x may have a slightly brighter output over the Godox sz200bi. Also, the Godox seems easier to get right now than the Amaran.
Love your videos. I have a beginner question if you have time. I'm starting a no face no talking UA-cam channel doing overhead video unboxings in a medium-sized bedroom would the UL60BI Be a good a good choice? I just don't know how much light I need, oh and what softbox do I use? Oh, and I definitely subbed. I realize this is from 2 years ago so maybe you might now see this.
I'd recommend the Amaran 60x or Zhiyun G60 if you want bi-color options to match lighting. A 60w light will suffice if you are in a controlled environment (no daylight sweeping in the shot). For a softbox I've got some in my kit I use and recommend: kit.co/fellowfilmmaker It's under the lighting section which will be useful to you.
@@FellowFilmmaker okay thank you appreciate that I'll check that out. The only reason I chose that one is because it said it didn't have any fans and I didn't want my mic to pick up the noise.
For sure, totally get it. It's a great light all the same, but the Zhiyun G60 is totally silent even with the fans. Amaran has a bit of fan noise but tends to be a bit cheaper. But if you want to play it safe then sey the UL is great too, bit bulky is all
@@FellowFilmmaker I guess if the g60 is silent I might think about getting that plus it's cheaper and it's a combo. I was just paranoid that my mic and sound recorder would pick up the faint sounds of the fan I guess maybe im a little ocd. lol. Because there's not a lot of room in here.
Looking to get my first light set up, are the Bi color and regular ML60’s any different in terms of output? I’ve always heard the saying that daylight only lights are always brighter. Sorry if this is a silly question.
Great review. What do you think of the Godox app with this and the SZ150R? How does it compare with the Aperture Sidus app? Reviews of the Godox app are decidedly mixed, with some saying it doesn't work at all. But Godox seems to have recently updated it, so perhaps it's more functional now.
@@FellowFilmmaker Thanks for confirming my suspicions. The Godox hardware appears to be the price/performance leader. But the newer Aputure / Amaran lights are close. Somewhat lesser build quality, but the best app in the industry. Also considering the Aputure 120D mark II as they've recently been discounted to $550 by the major resellers, about to be discontinued? NAB is next week. Many old products are about to be shelved and new ones announced. - Cheers
The reflector being used is the one it comes with and the UL60 has a reflector dish that severely concentrates the light brighter in the center, thus giving it a bigger reading.
hey you mentioned the SL60 was used as the keylight, did you put gel on it, was it with a softbox too? Because it doesn't look daylight to me. Do you have a video to show how to use color gel with Softbox for SL60 or other light that is not bi-color? Thanks.
Regarding the fans noise of the SL60W.... if I'm using a pencil condenser (cardiod) microphone, boomed overhead, do you think I'll pick up that fan noise in my mic?
Depends on how close it can be, but yes it still can pick it up a bit. Pencil mics can only do so much, if the fans are noise enough they will still get picked up. If you can the the mic closer to the subject than the light it might be less of an issue. In general you wouldnt hear it too badly, Id say, but if you're picky about audio then find a light that is totally silent or very quiet.
Fantastic video. Subscribed for more content. I've tried the SL60W with a 80cm Softbox and found that to be too big for my small setup. I also tried the Amaran P60C and was quite impressed with the outcome, but I don't really need RGB on a key light. Really impressed with the compact form factor of the ML60bi. Is that a better choice than an LED panel like the P60? I don't mind a few extra bucks, but would like to keep it small, Also, any idea what is the smallest softbox I can use with the ML60bi?
The ML light is small and portable, I think its great for tighter situations. There is the tiny softbox that you can get with the ML60 that works: amzn.to/31CpzAQ Only issue with it is its not as diffused of a light so it will still feel a bit hard of a light. I do use it tho, all the same, when I'm in tight situations. I like a COB light over a panel light because you can shape the light a bit easier with accessories, so for that I'll usually recommend a COB over a panel light.
These are the cheapest lights I'd recommend at this time that are still quality pieces I feel I can stand behind a recommendation on. There are cheaper type lights, but usually not good quality.
@@FellowFilmmaker Oh, so you're saying that the nearly 3x difference is because of the reflectors, not because of the COBs (light source)? Very interesting!
Yes, they each have a different technology in their reflector that can make the light seem brighter. The beam angles, chip placement, and reflector dish can all influence the brightness of a light. If you're torn between the two lights, both are great and perfectly useable. You can get a different reflector for the SL60w to make it brighter as well :D
To me it has a different type of application, so that's why it wasn't considered for this review. Not to mention how long the video would have been! :D
nice presentation. which NP-F970 batteries would you advise to buy and what is the autonomy ? why using ad-s60s instead of 65s ? which tripod do you use for traveling with ML60Bi case and ads60s ?
I just use some generic ones off Amazon, so really nothing special is what I'm using. Grab whichever you like :D I tend to glance at the max watt hours for the battery to see which has a higher rating, means it'll have more juice when its charged. And for the ads60s, can't really say anything since I've never used it, sorry. I use some amazon basic light stands for the ML60 lights sine they don't need anything crazy. But if I'm on a client shoot I might stick them on a bigger, heavy duty stand to be sure they are secure. You can find the ones Im' referring to here: kit/co/fellowfilmmaker
Oooh, sorry, forgot that was the name of it. I thought you were referring to a flash unit. :) I use it because it's convienent at times where I don't want a large diffuser taking up alot of space. It lacks major softness, but I'm willing to sacrifice that alot of times when in situations.
Some softboxes have a slot for gels. I've yet to use one that does. If you're afraid of melting a gel then you might look at a RGB single source light like the Godox SZ150R.
@@FellowFilmmaker Godox SZ150R cost RM2k here in Malaysia which is equivalant to 8 units of SL60W. Would it be better if I wrap a color gel on the 7 inch relector dome(that came with the SL60W) and shine it on a shoot through umbrella? I know it will require more power but I just purchased a 200watts China made Andoer CY200 and yet to try it. Would it be advisable? Or shall I velcro the softbox's inner layer with the color gel?
I'm a little confused about the light readings since I'm new to all of this. Is the ML60bi in Daylight settings - 100% brigther than SL60 - 100%? the reason I asked this is I'm having a hard time choosing from ml60 vs ml60bi, I could really use the bi color feature. SL60 output is actually good enough for my use case, but it would be really better if the new light that I'm going to buy is a bit brighter than SL60. Hope you can help me with my question. Thank you in advance!
If you want the easy answer, get the one you think you'll like. I use the ML60 and ML60bi the same way. If you think you'll need more power you probably aren't looking at a 60w light anyway. I'd say go with something closer to 100w or 200w that gets you the lux readings you want. I have the Amaran 200d and it's great. I like the bi-color option of the ML60 and it's wonderful as well.
This is one of THE best reviews I've ever seen. Period. I appreciate how thorough you are and how you show examples for each light. I think that I will check out the ML60. I just love how portable it is and that it can run off of batteries. You have a new subscriber 👍🏼
Thanks so much! :D I love to hear how helpful what I am creating is. Glad to have you as a subscriber :D
I’ve commented this before, but I’ll say it again. You, and your videos, are AWESOME! Thank you for making this and THANK YOU for showing how they can be used as a key light.
Thank you! Glad you love the content :D
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Much appreciated! I try to do every single thing you mentioned :D Glad you enjoyed
I've got the ML 60 and very happy with it. I love it's portability even though I rarely move it more than a few feet each week. But that's just me. I've only got one fork, one knife and 2 spoons too to save on clutter.
Hahaha, love it! I'm the same sorta way, keep it minimal if possible (use one fork for as much as possible). Glad you love the ML60, I do too! It's very handy
Minimalism is key to a happy life. Yet I have too many things. I try getting rid of two things every time I buy one new. The ml60bi is probably the one I’d get if I had to have only one light.
This is the most professionally done review, thank you for EXTRA effort and creativity.
Thank you! Glad you appreciated it
What a well-versed, informative, balanced and pleasant comparison. Not only do you seem to know your stuff, your kind heart shows and it will propel you forward. Thanks for your time.
I appreciate the kind words, thank you :D I hope it was a helpful piece for you
Your review left me speechless. Very professional and you provided the information I have been searching for the last 2 hours. Thanks new subscriber!
Love to hear that! Thanks for joining the subscriber group here!
Your channel has been immensly helpful. I've been researching lights for getting into interview filmmaking and had no idea where to start. Thank you so much for this content!
You are most welcome! :D I'm hoping to make content around lighting interviews in the near future! Any specific areas you want to know more about or need help in?
@@FellowFilmmaker I will (hopefully) be doing client work in a wide variety of locations. Knowing how to light various places correctly (from a mechanics garage to a medical clinic) is next on my list to learn after finding the right gear to get me started. Thanks!
Also audio! Interview audio tutorials. You may already have those out though. I'll browse the channel :)
Good to know! I'll see what I can stir up to finish out this year with some of that kind of content :D
I've only touched on audio a tad, but might consider doing another soon :D Thanks for letting me know what you're interested in learning
Yes! Been waiting for this video. Feeling good about my ML60 purchase. Thank you for teaching me so much! You rule.
Happy to help! :D The ML60 is a great purchase either way, hope you're enjoying it!
One of the best review i have come across for this comparison. good work. 😍
Awesome, thank you!
I have the ML60 and SL60 and love them both. I may pick up the ML60Bi as well. Loving how portable and small they are. Great video too. Love how you use these lights
They really are so nice to just leave about and quickly grab and use them! :D The ML's are a pretty solid little light
Wow wow wow!! New fan over here👋🏾, what a spot on review 👏🏾. I have the SL60, a VL300 and just got the ML60. Went to two weddings and noticed both videographers were using the ML60s for lighting parts of the reception. Can’t wait to use mine, I have my 1st two weddings coming up in Aug 🤞🏾😅🤞🏾.
That's great to hear! :D And happy you're a new fan now! Welcome :)
The brolls are really thoughtful and good!
Thank you! Put lots of effort to make things look good and be engaging! :D
The UL/ML60bi looks great.
It would be nice to see a comparison between GODOX UL60bi vs Aputure LS60x .
Good to know, thanks for the idea :D
I currently use the SL60W with a Photogenic Ion 120 Whr AC battery sine-wave inverter attached to the light stand and can get just over 2 hours of solid run time at 60% and no wires to trip over. Need more tun time? Get a 300 Whr inverter from amazon to run two at the same time. Sine-wave output is important! So long as the yoke is well tightened, there is no rotation experienced. I do like the pressure tightening mechanism for smoother positioning rather than the clunky style of the notched ridges, but that's just a style. Tighten down, and nothing will move or droop.
Good to know, thanks for sharing! :D
You delivered on your statement and this was extremely helpful. I feel the same way about the ML60, the portability is what does it for me. I may have to get a second one now.
Happy I delivered! Haha, and yes, I've go three of the ML's now and love and use them all! :D
Love your videos - concise and super helpful! Subscribed! Thank you.
Your videos are always epic. Great review and break down of which light us good for what. Thank you.
I appreciate that! Glad I could be of help
A great comparison here Heather! I've been looking for a smaller Bowens light to use alongside my Pixapro COB lights and this video has been really helpful in seeing the pro and cons of each one. I think ht ML60bi is going to be the one for me as the rest of my light's are bi-colour so that should fit in well with my setup.
Thanks for posting :-)
Glad it was helpful! The ML60bi sure is a fun light, I've been loving it!
great overview video. I've been using the SL60 for a year and a half now and i'm quite satisfied with the light quality except for the unforgiven fan noise(can be mod but too much of a hassle) and ergonomics. ML60Bi is definitely the better light to start with if people could stretched their budget lil bit more.
Thanks for sharing! I agree, modding the SL60 is a bit of a hassle if you don't have experience.
Thanks for the great comparison and review video
My pleasure!
The ML60 and ML60bi can also be powered by a v mount battery. All you need is a d-tap to DC cable, V mount battery and a battery plate or clamp to attach to a light stand. You can probably use the velcro V Mount that comes with the light. This makes adjusting the light easier since you don't have the two NP batteries in the way when adjusting the downward angle. I still use the NP batteries for using the light hand held.
Good point! I've considered this myself. Do you personally already have d-tap to DC cables you use or recommend?
Thanks for this video you helped me decide between the UL60 & The ML60 ( I choose the ML60) For it's portability
Happy to hear I could help you! 😁
Thoughts on my sl60's from a shoot this last weekend. I was also doing sound, and the fan never registered on my consciousness as being there. We were in about a maybe 15x30 semi-echo-y room shooting a scene with two chairs and a table. The lights were maybe about 8 feet away from the table being used as fill (I think around 50%), and fan noise never registered either with my own ears or through headphones. (For reference: audio was Samson c02 into Tascam dr-60d Mk II with Sennheiser HD 280 headphones.)
They really are ultra silent! I've never had an issue with the fan noise on them at all, so I'm glad it's the same for you! :D
@@FellowFilmmaker are you referring to the sl or ml?
ML, the SL don't have ultra silent fans (tho it'd be nice!)
I think it's worth pointing out that the fan noise issue on the sl60w was addressed by Godox. I know the initial run had terrible fan noise, to the point that people were replacing the fan with a PC silent fan with slight modding. Godox eventually fixed the issue, not sure how, and now the sl60w's are pretty quiet. I have one that I've been using for over a year, bought May 2020, and even at higher temps fan noise is only heard if you place your ear directly up to the light.
@@macrain21 thanks! Good to know
Just want to say, your content is amazing! Kudos to you!
I appreciate that! :D Hope you enjoy
I'm a working video pro and can share that I have had NO trouble whatsoever using the SL60. Fan noise? Seriously? I shoot high end interviews all the time [often as my own Sound Tech] and have NEVER picked up any discernible fan noise using the SL60. Not once - never. It works great with my collapsible beauty disk style soft box as either a key or a large, soft backlight; and the remote is definitely more handy than you'd think.
Thanks for sharing :)
The USB-C standard is currently getting approved for 100 watts of power delivery, I wonder how long it will be before we start seeing a super slick USB setup without needing chunky boxes and cables. If Godox made a USB-C bicolour s30 focusing light with app control I'd sell my shoes to buy one.
That certainly would be interesting if they were to lean into that :D
Although, I hope you have more than one pair of shoes if you're selling them for that kind of light! :D
Thanks for the video
You answer many questions.
Glad i could help
This video is very informative and useful. Thank you for sharing :)
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for good clearfication
You're welcome :D
Another great video about these lights!!! Thank you for your hard work!
My pleasure!
this was much needed!!!! 😍💯
Yay! Happy to hear that
Good timing for this, just thinking what to buy..
Perfect! Hope it helped :D
I have 3 godox sl60w on 3 neewer c stands with 2 hex godox softboxes with grids. All 3 fans have been replaced with silent fan mods. Build 2 large bank lights with dual 5600k bulbs lighting green screen. Came from yonguna led lights. Light off these lights is beautiful. Plus most you tubers don't make much money. I've earn 21000 on my channel so I invest as I actually make money every month. Feel sorry for new channels as the restrictions to get monitized is hard. My main job I'm a trucker but UA-cam is weekend thing. Your videos look good. I use canon g30 camcorder. It's last camcorder that has same digit processor as c100 mkii. Lens is full zoom and stays locked at f2.8 thru entire zoom. 1.8fstop at full zoom out. It's hooked to atomos ninja 2. I was tempted to go dslr but glad I stayed with a film only camera. DC plug, clean hdmi, focus peaking, zebras, broadcast signals. If you want to see my rig I did a video with small rig cage build. Anyway keep up the videos. .....
Thanks for sharing :D
It's always great to get a good upgrade with lights
Great comparison Heather!
Thanks so much! :D
Awesome video. ML60 for the win. Great overall value.
Glad you enjoyed the video! :D Hope it helped
The ML 60 Daylight sounds like a perfect sun gun. It’s very rare that you’ll need a handheld light to match tungsten.
I do enjoy the ML60 for sure
Thank you for the comparison!!
My pleasure! Hope it helps :D
Great review! I just wish the ml60 came with a bowens mount as standard.
Also a comparison with the amaran cob 60w would be great.
already did a comparison actually :D check the channel and you'll find it
Off-topic Photography strobe - AD300 Pro comment: Just realized I can use my ML60 handle with my AD300 Pro for quick, assisted portrait shots outdoors. Time to test if it is stronger than the yoke that comes with the AD300 which, as per my copy, needs a lot of torque when used with the AD-S85W Godox Mount softbox. Current solution for that is using it with the same softbox but within the S2 bracket.
Good to know! I hope you find it can be a solution, that would be great :D
Dang! Well done on this review 👏 👏 👏 love how through and all the B-Roll you worked into it. Live all the text graphics. This must have taken you a week to put together! Lol totally subscribing!
So, I shoot a lot of documentary style interviews indoors and I'm sick of struggling to get enough light out of my 660led panel light. I'm looking for a good key light in the $300-ish range. Bi-colour would be nice (but not necessary) I just never want to struggle for light again. What would you recommend?
Happy to hear you enjoyed the video! :D I do try to put alot of quality and helpfulness into them all!
If you want a decent keylight around $300 that is bi-color, you might look into the Aputure 200x. I have the 200d, daylight only version, and its pretty solid. If you have concerns of fan noise and want a totally fanless option I do love my Godox UL150. The UL150 is not bi-color but is a powerful and silent light. So if you go that route you could use gels to get the bi-color aspect (which, technically, when you gel a daylight only light you'll get more intensity than if you use a bi-color light).
@@FellowFilmmaker OMG, you rock! Thank you so much for the quick reply! Had no idea about the Amaran line of lights. Love the 200x but it's a bit out of my price range. Do you think the 100x would be bright enough, at 34,300lux, with a softbox to use as my key light? or would the 200d be the better choice and just use gels?
A 100 watt light will be fine as well :) So yes, go for it if you think you'll like it
Great review!
Thanks so much :D
thanks for a quality review
Glad it was helpful!
For bi-color brightness testing you should add the mid range in the 4000s too.
Thanks for sharing, I'll keep it in mind
such a great and helpful video! i think the the temperature in this video is too warm if i am not wrong. it gives kind of a desert (hot) feel.
Yes it does! That was the SL60w doing that, no clue why, cuz everything else is the same as I always do for all my talking head videos.
@@FellowFilmmaker 👍 keep it up 😊
thank you, will do!
Thanks so much for this video. It was very straightforward and informative. I'm thinking about getting the ML60bi. Would you happen to have a run time with the NP batteries?
Glad it was helpful for you! I haven't done a full runtime but I got several hours out of NPF750's on lower power settings.
@@FellowFilmmaker thanks so much. Thats all i really needed to know.
Every review is so helpful
So happy to hear that!
Great comparison and insight, thank you!
My pleasure!
Just pounced on this channel. Great stuff.. How do you record your audio
Thanks, glad you're enjoying the channel :D
And I record it using a Rode NTG5 through an audio interface onto my computer then sync it up in post.
Otherwise, a lav of some sort. Lately its the DJI wireless lavs
@@FellowFilmmaker thanks for this one
Hey Heather! I love your lighting videos, was wondering how you get the background in your videos to have that blue ish wash it’s super cool!
Just a light with a colored gel over it :D
Wooow this channel deserve more attention 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Glad you think so!
I'm anxious to watch your review of the new sl100bi!
What would you like to know if I did that review?
@@FellowFilmmaker Well, i'm currently looking for a key light and my main concern about 60w led is that they might be too weak for some situations (in terms of light output). I was considering buying the sokani x60 rgb, because I wanted a affordable bicolor light. The sl100bi seems to be a more flexible and durable option because of the power output. The downside is that it doesn't work with batteries. So, what I really like to know is: Which one is better for a good keylight?
(Sorry about my english, I'm from Brazil)
Your english is fine, dont worry!
And those are great questions! If bi-color is all you want, have you considered the Aputure Amaran 200x? Might be a nice affordable option with higher outputs (still no battery, but hey).
Otherwise, you if you need battery option and high output you've got things like Aputure 300x or even panel lights like Nanlite Mixpanel 150
@@FellowFilmmaker The Amaran light would be a great option, but here in Brazil they are too expensive. They cost twice as much the sl100bi. Thanks for the answer though! I love your content!
This was a great review! Thank you! I’m definitely going to buy the ML60bi for studio work. Would you recommend it for lighting a speaker at a wedding venue or event or should I go with a higher output?
It can be used in a wedding setting like you mentioned, I've seen others on youtube show it for those purposes. A higher output would be helpful if you need to combat with the sun .
I love your videos. Try keeping the background music a bit lower or just off completely. We don’t come to you for “music”. At times it’s too distracting. Hope this helps.
Thanks for the input :) Glad you enjoy the channel
I have ML60s and VL versions. I had SL60 and regretted them. I gave them away.
The ML60's are nice :D
Great comparison, but tbh I would have used the same exact modifier (reflector/softbox/umbrella...you name it) to measure the light output, as those reflectors are REALLY different in technology (the SL60 has a "std" silver inner coating, while the others seems to have the "mirror" coating I call it), and so one of the most important data from the comparison (the actual light output difference in lux, given that the base power is 60w declared for all of them) gets totally lost, and that's really sad.
Good point, I did this recently with another 60w comparison
thank you so much for the great review ! Cheers
You are most welcome!
If possible, would you compare the ml60 bi to the aputure 60x?
I can look into it
@@FellowFilmmaker +1 to that. Was checking out the launch video of the 60x and it's exactly what the ML60 is - compact, easy to use, inexpensive, and has a Bowens mount. I'm guessing you can't go wrong with either, but the ML60 has been around for longer.
Good comparison, although I'd love to see a more practical measurement.
I have been using my minolta flash meter set for 24fps and iso 400 and metering from 1 meter to get some figures. There are a couple of basic facts of physics that you can use. because essentially light spreads out as the distance increases. At half the distance you get 2 more stops brightness and double you get 2 stops less. You can use your camera aperture scale as a calculator 1, 1.4 ,2, 2.8, 4 [5.6, 8, 11, 16 ...] so if you have a light at 2 meters subject distance at 1 meter its 2 stops brighter at 1.4 meters 1 stop brighter and 2.8 meters 1 stop dimmer and 4 meters 2 stops dimmer. The other thing to note is that you can add power together so 2 lights of equal brightness is 1 stop brighter than either light on its own.
It's also worth noting 2 lights of different power at the same distance you can pretty much ignore the smaller light it adds a little but only a fraction of a stop.put it near something else and that thing will be brighter in the over all scene. If you need more information then photometrics is a good keyword. If you can't measure in practice then you can find Lux to EV tables to convert Lux to EV and calculate an F-stop value.
ok so some practice at 24fps Iso 400 at 1 meter my neewer 660 bicolor panel gave me f5.6 at full power both banks the yellow and white banks on their own gave f4 which makes sense f4 +f4 = 1 stop brighter f5.6. So bare in mind that a 660 led lamp with a single color would be 1 stop brighter than the manufacturers bi color, also RGB lights are worse since the power is divided by 5 sets of leds.
Ok I have a light similar to the SL60W and with its reflector at 1 meter 1 measured F16 (without about F8)
The modifier you use will make a considerable difference.
An interesting light i looked at was the Andoer KY-150W similar to the sl60W but lousy build quality and supports running from 2 NPF batteries but 150 watts right, wrong! I measured it at 1 meter full power in its reflector and got F8. 2 stops dimmer! There is a youtube video around that compares the KY-150W and shows the light value as visually being about the same, it's actually much worse.
So if you are buying a light hopefully the manufacturer gives a lux value find a lux to ev conversion table and you can get an idea of what a light will do
Sadly the lux values manufactures are using are kind of fudgey, so to speak.
I believe it was Gerald Undone who did a pretty decent video on light meters and measurements.
But yes, there's alot to light! Thanks for sharing so much knowledge here!
Thanks!
No problem! Thanks for the super thanks too :D
I love your videos, i love lighting
The ul60 is the best!
I love lighting too! And the UL60 is pretty amazing with it being totally silent :D
this was very helpful thank you
Glad it was helpful!
Exactly what I was looking for.....
Happy to hear it! :D
The ML60 at full output is a bit brighter than the ML60bi when comparing their specs. Was there a noticeable difference when testing them?
Not so badly that I would say they weren't useable. I think both really performed well and although the bi is a bit lesser in brightness, it still compares great. So, if you're considering it, I'd say get it. :D
4:38 Why is UL60's max brightness (32900 lux) so high as compared to SL60W (5970 lux)?
They were measured with their included reflectors if I recall, been awhile since I did this video.
But in general the SL60w is a weak light in output
Huge information in short time video
Hope it helped you out! :D
Thanks a lot this was helpful 👍🏻
Happy to hear that! :D
Hey, what about the SLB60? I can't see it in your video :) I am looking for one with battery. Thanks!
I am tossing up between the ML60 and the UL60 as I need something bright while also being battery powered. I do plan on projecting the light as far as I can outdoors for a music video like spotlights, but does the ML60 on battery power get a decrease in overall brightness output, or can it still perform at max brightness on NPF batteries?
I did not notice any difference personally. Both are great lights.
how can you light a green screen??? do you special tricks to do it ?????
The main way to light a green screen is with a few lights and softboxes to get an even light across the green screen so that it can be keyed easily in post production
Hi can you do Review in GODOX SZ200bi light there is no many video about godox sz200bi only every one talking about sz150rgb light
I don't have that light currently, but I can look into doing that! What do you need to know about that light?
Thanks for reply,
I have godox VL300 light, i am looking buy one bi-colour light i shoot music video work, i Confused between, Amaran 200x and godox sz200bi, witch one you think Better output light when use on 2800k to 3200k, and godox sz200bi light have glass front on light is this on Effect on light output? Thanks
I can't speak for them myself since I haven't used either yet. Both will likely yield similar results to be honest. It does appear that the Aputure 200x may have a slightly brighter output over the Godox sz200bi. Also, the Godox seems easier to get right now than the Amaran.
Great video. Thank you
You are welcome!
Can lophoto light be controlled with an app
For wedding videos, what do you think of 60b ??
Think its great, lots of people use them for that :)
Very helpful thank thank you 💚
Most welcome!
Between ML60 and UL60, which one is more convenient for shooting abroad?
Hmm, I'd say if you're traveling you'll want the ML
Love your videos. I have a beginner question if you have time. I'm starting a no face no talking UA-cam channel doing overhead video unboxings in a medium-sized bedroom would the UL60BI Be a good a good choice? I just don't know how much light I need, oh and what softbox do I use? Oh, and I definitely subbed. I realize this is from 2 years ago so maybe you might now see this.
I'd recommend the Amaran 60x or Zhiyun G60 if you want bi-color options to match lighting. A 60w light will suffice if you are in a controlled environment (no daylight sweeping in the shot). For a softbox I've got some in my kit I use and recommend: kit.co/fellowfilmmaker
It's under the lighting section which will be useful to you.
@@FellowFilmmaker okay thank you appreciate that I'll check that out. The only reason I chose that one is because it said it didn't have any fans and I didn't want my mic to pick up the noise.
For sure, totally get it. It's a great light all the same, but the Zhiyun G60 is totally silent even with the fans. Amaran has a bit of fan noise but tends to be a bit cheaper. But if you want to play it safe then sey the UL is great too, bit bulky is all
@@FellowFilmmaker thanks again for the advice. Much appreciated.
@@FellowFilmmaker I guess if the g60 is silent I might think about getting that plus it's cheaper and it's a combo. I was just paranoid that my mic and sound recorder would pick up the faint sounds of the fan I guess maybe im a little ocd. lol. Because there's not a lot of room in here.
What’s type of stand do you use we didn’t like the standard stand it comes with
You can find the stands I use on my kit, super easy to find: kit.co/fellowfilmmaker
So which one will be the choice between ml60 vs sl60 ? For youtube videos only
I use the ML60 more, just cuz I like alot of its features and it's silent
Looking to get my first light set up, are the Bi color and regular ML60’s any different in terms of output? I’ve always heard the saying that daylight only lights are always brighter.
Sorry if this is a silly question.
Yeah that is right, daylight will always rank higher in brightness (lux) output. Bi-color will be less bright.
Great review. What do you think of the Godox app with this and the SZ150R? How does it compare with the Aperture Sidus app? Reviews of the Godox app are decidedly mixed, with some saying it doesn't work at all. But Godox seems to have recently updated it, so perhaps it's more functional now.
The app works for me, but not nearly the amount of control that Sidus offers. So I like Sidus more still :D
@@FellowFilmmaker Thanks for confirming my suspicions. The Godox hardware appears to be the price/performance leader. But the newer Aputure / Amaran lights are close. Somewhat lesser build quality, but the best app in the industry. Also considering the Aputure 120D mark II as they've recently been discounted to $550 by the major resellers, about to be discontinued? NAB is next week. Many old products are about to be shelved and new ones announced. - Cheers
I’m trying to get one for my cooking channel what’s a good light for that is the ML60 or SL60W
You could get the ML60 if you want versatility out of it. The SL60 is great if you want cheap and simple setup.
The UL60 produce 32000lux vs 5970lux for the SL60. Five times more ! How a such difference is possible ?
The reflector being used is the one it comes with and the UL60 has a reflector dish that severely concentrates the light brighter in the center, thus giving it a bigger reading.
@@FellowFilmmaker Thanks ! So is there a significant difference between the UL60 and the SL60 if the same reflector dish is used ?
hey you mentioned the SL60 was used as the keylight, did you put gel on it, was it with a softbox too? Because it doesn't look daylight to me. Do you have a video to show how to use color gel with Softbox for SL60 or other light that is not bi-color? Thanks.
I don't gel my keylight, no. I haven't actually gelled a modifer before like a softbox, but I can look into it
Search some light for outdoor strong backlight behind a motocycle .. recommantion ?
Depends on if you're doing it at night or during the day
@@FellowFilmmaker Night :)
@@FellowFilmmaker or blue Hour
I love this video!! What is the title of intro song?
Its called "Strolling Through Town" by Ofelia Moore
I got it off Epidemic Sound: www.epidemicsound.com/track/dDSMduoP5F/
@@FellowFilmmaker Thank you for your kindness!! but It's like the music of another video...
Regarding the fans noise of the SL60W.... if I'm using a pencil condenser (cardiod) microphone, boomed overhead, do you think I'll pick up that fan noise in my mic?
Depends on how close it can be, but yes it still can pick it up a bit. Pencil mics can only do so much, if the fans are noise enough they will still get picked up. If you can the the mic closer to the subject than the light it might be less of an issue. In general you wouldnt hear it too badly, Id say, but if you're picky about audio then find a light that is totally silent or very quiet.
Fantastic video. Subscribed for more content. I've tried the SL60W with a 80cm Softbox and found that to be too big for my small setup. I also tried the Amaran P60C and was quite impressed with the outcome, but I don't really need RGB on a key light. Really impressed with the compact form factor of the ML60bi. Is that a better choice than an LED panel like the P60? I don't mind a few extra bucks, but would like to keep it small, Also, any idea what is the smallest softbox I can use with the ML60bi?
The ML light is small and portable, I think its great for tighter situations. There is the tiny softbox that you can get with the ML60 that works: amzn.to/31CpzAQ Only issue with it is its not as diffused of a light so it will still feel a bit hard of a light. I do use it tho, all the same, when I'm in tight situations.
I like a COB light over a panel light because you can shape the light a bit easier with accessories, so for that I'll usually recommend a COB over a panel light.
@@FellowFilmmaker Thanks for your response and for helping me nail down the ML60bi. I'll go with the CoB and a softbox recommended.
Can you please introduce much cheaper but still good lights? I cant afford buying these lights
These are the cheapest lights I'd recommend at this time that are still quality pieces I feel I can stand behind a recommendation on. There are cheaper type lights, but usually not good quality.
Was that a misprint? The SL60 only produces ~ 1/3rd (~ 5,900) as many lumens as the ML60 (~15,500)?
Not a misprint
I measured with their respective reflector dish. Different technology in reflection yields different results.
@@FellowFilmmaker Oh, so you're saying that the nearly 3x difference is because of the reflectors, not because of the COBs (light source)? Very interesting!
Yes, they each have a different technology in their reflector that can make the light seem brighter. The beam angles, chip placement, and reflector dish can all influence the brightness of a light. If you're torn between the two lights, both are great and perfectly useable. You can get a different reflector for the SL60w to make it brighter as well :D
But what about the Godox S60? Certainly worth looking at too.
To me it has a different type of application, so that's why it wasn't considered for this review. Not to mention how long the video would have been! :D
@@FellowFilmmaker True! Maybe for another time.
nice presentation. which NP-F970 batteries would you advise to buy and what is the autonomy ?
why using ad-s60s instead of 65s ?
which tripod do you use for traveling with ML60Bi case and ads60s ?
I just use some generic ones off Amazon, so really nothing special is what I'm using. Grab whichever you like :D
I tend to glance at the max watt hours for the battery to see which has a higher rating, means it'll have more juice when its charged.
And for the ads60s, can't really say anything since I've never used it, sorry.
I use some amazon basic light stands for the ML60 lights sine they don't need anything crazy. But if I'm on a client shoot I might stick them on a bigger, heavy duty stand to be sure they are secure.
You can find the ones Im' referring to here: kit/co/fellowfilmmaker
thank you. It seems that you used/showed ads60s softbox in sl60 vs ml60 tutorial (21/12/2020) and others !
Oooh, sorry, forgot that was the name of it. I thought you were referring to a flash unit. :)
I use it because it's convienent at times where I don't want a large diffuser taking up alot of space. It lacks major softness, but I'm willing to sacrifice that alot of times when in situations.
Is ML60 or ML60bi good for full body and portrait shoot for indoor ti be used with softbox? or i need to look for 100w ?
I've used it indoors for portrait work, but if you think you'll need more light, I always say go with a brighter light just to be sure
Can we gel the SL60 W if using a octabox with grid? If yes, how are we suppose to gel it witout getting the gel melting?
Some softboxes have a slot for gels. I've yet to use one that does. If you're afraid of melting a gel then you might look at a RGB single source light like the Godox SZ150R.
@@FellowFilmmaker Godox SZ150R cost RM2k here in Malaysia which is equivalant to 8 units of SL60W. Would it be better if I wrap a color gel on the 7 inch relector dome(that came with the SL60W) and shine it on a shoot through umbrella? I know it will require more power but I just purchased a 200watts China made Andoer CY200 and yet to try it. Would it be advisable? Or shall I velcro the softbox's inner layer with the color gel?
That would be a perfectly find solution, yes
You can try either of the suggestions you've come up with and see which you like better
I'm a little confused about the light readings since I'm new to all of this. Is the ML60bi in Daylight settings - 100% brigther than SL60 - 100%? the reason I asked this is I'm having a hard time choosing from ml60 vs ml60bi, I could really use the bi color feature. SL60 output is actually good enough for my use case, but it would be really better if the new light that I'm going to buy is a bit brighter than SL60. Hope you can help me with my question. Thank you in advance!
If you want the easy answer, get the one you think you'll like. I use the ML60 and ML60bi the same way. If you think you'll need more power you probably aren't looking at a 60w light anyway. I'd say go with something closer to 100w or 200w that gets you the lux readings you want.
I have the Amaran 200d and it's great. I like the bi-color option of the ML60 and it's wonderful as well.
Which are the strobe units
No strobe units here sorry
So only the ML60BI, not the ML60, can be controlled via the Godox Light App?
Correct, last I tested the ML60 does not work with any of the Godox apps
@@FellowFilmmaker perfect - I know which one I’ll be getting then :)
Perfect video!
Thank you! Hope it helped you out :D
@@FellowFilmmaker very much so!
what the defferent of ML 60 n ML 60 Bi..??
Covered that in the video, but not too much. one is bi-color one is daylight
What do you think of the ShotCut editor, have you tried it?
I have not heard of nor tried it, so I can't say really