Renault Clio RS 200 Turbo vs Toyota GT86 - autocar.co.uk
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- The Renault Clio RS 200 is one of the most eagerly-awaited hot hatches, but how does it compare to the Toyota GT86?
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The all-new Renaultsport Clio RS 200 is a radical departure. Gone is the free-breathing 2.0-litre and manual 'box, replaced by a 1.6-litre turbo with a six-speed paddle-shift and an all-new chassis. It's something of a techno-fest to the point you can even choose how the engine sounds. So, how would it fare against the very honest and rear-wheel drive Toyota GT86? Steve Sutcliffe drove them back-to-back at the Clio's launch.
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I wish more cars like the Clio would come to America!
2014 Renault Clio RS200 EDC $29990(AUD) drive away
Equivalent Toyota 86 with the same kit, automatic transmission, paint etc $43,780.00(AUD) driveaway
Only problem the new Clio RS has is its past versions. The no option of the manual, which sucks for people that want one and have had previous RS Clios that were. But for 80% of people like myself who chooses an automatic on new cars its a perfect car that has everything.
The Clio and 86 and now to different to compare, each reviewers opinion will be different.
i dont know who are faster...but i choose the 86 every time.
Renault clio rs 4
Clio is track car while gt86 is car for fun and do crazy stuff with it like donuts and power slides. But i like the engine of the cliomore. It gives more torque in lower RPM compare to Toyota
The Clio is a pocket rocket hot hatcback meant to go fast on track while still being practical and "inexpensive". GT86 is aimed at drifting and fun, with skinny tyres. Wasn't made to be fast!
One isn't better than the other. They are just very different cars for different people. While I could live with a Clio RS as my only car, I could not do it with a GT86.
I drove the Clio RS the other day and on track you just forget about the manual gearbox and really focus on just being fast. Lovely little machine for the average Joe like myself!
Probably the only comment that deserves attention. Well said. I've chosen the Clio because of it's ability to go fast, and the gearbox I find it's also fun to use ! Especialli on mountains roads using the stick.
I prefer control over "fun"... Toyota GT86 is like a speech of a entertainer and the Clio is a speech of a doctor, when they try to tell the same story.
Ok... I also like the Toyota very much, and in some days it would be my favorite! But for a day by day use, if you can't get both, I would buy the Clio RS.
i have a Clio RS the same as the one in the video but with the uprated suspension and wheels, Its awesome, the grip, performance is class for a 1.6 turbo. if you use the launch control feature 0-60 is 6.5sec.
Or you can buy a 197 all naturally aspirated and bury the 1.6 turbo’s 🤣
@@milesmitchell4326 yeah I had a blue one of them before that one. Loved it.
renault clio is very beatiful
chris harris drove the clio in a much more spectacular fashion when he reviewed it.
Clio RS for me .
Ok, for you the van.
Give me 86
Clio 3 RS was the reference in his category. Clio 4 RS is not as good in corners, less agility, less sportivity but it's more effective.
CLIO 3 RS = SENSATION, CLIO 4 RS = EFFICIENCY.
But if you want to compare GT86 with a french car, you have to do it with Peugeot RCZ. And if you want to drive a really good french car, you must try Megane RS Trophy or Cup.
A GT86 will be a classic car like the GTI mk1, nsx, AE86 for sure.
This comment didn't age well
Clio RS please
Renault is for those who have the driver's blood!
I tried both, and I own a GT86, but not with the standard ridiculous tyres (like the Prius). I have Michelin Pilot Sport 4, and I'm as fast as my friend's Clio IV RS (even a bit faster in higher gears when it comes to the straight line speed). And it's so much more fun to drive ! So I agree with Steve. The GT86 is for real enthusiasts (not that the Clio RS is bad, I think it's very good, the chassis is great and the car is effective, but surely not as fun and doesn't feel as sporty)
mmmm yes warmed over family shopping trolleys are highly inspiring!
The fuck are you saying ? The gt86 is in the same "category" as the clio/208/fiesta etc ... it makes the same weight and the same amount of power
It smells like rage around here
Even if the Clio seems faster, i prefer the gt86
Stupid eco box with a turbo vs a rwd sports car that was engineered and tested at the ring. There is no comparison.
2damaxmr2 there is a comparison, the Clio is better in every way. So because the GT86 was tested at the ring that makes it better? That just means that it's gonna be impractical on the road.
Ya Clio is so awesome that it is not available in North America.
2damaxmr2 Clio is available in Mexico, which is also North America.
You are not the center of the universe. Just because a car is not sold in USA it doesnt mean it is not a good car. It means most americans have crappy taste for cars and dont buy beautiful drivers cars like the Renaulr Sport products, just your stupid petrol burners
2damaxmr2 Clio is cheaper, cheaper tax ,cheaper insurance, faster, and it's a hot hatch so you can throw it around in corners... More economical, more practical.... If you like the Toyota then fair play I do too but the clio is better
The clio is better on paper. Actually driving them is a different story.
yeah i m a grandpa because i prefer the involvement of shifting my own gears over playing a video game.
GT86
the GT86 is more fun to drive because it's a rear wheel drive!! But the Clio RS is more exciting and fun than other front wheel drive cars around within the category! It comes to what you are looking for in a sports car!
I can see why they've changed the clio rs. I've just got rid of my 197. On the road the ride is too hard and the low range torque is rubbish. It really needed a turbo. New looks crap.
Il take the clio....Thanks
When did Ricky Gervais start doing boring reviews of fun cars?
the gt86 was designed from the ground up as a drift car which is why is so twitchy . personally I'd rather have a fiesta st mountune
+Alex Harrod fiesta st is nice chasis.
Oh my god no it wasn't ahahaha
you would LOVE renaults there, they call it the affordable mercs... and to me they're a step up from VWs
An automatic gear box in an hot hatch is a dealbreaker for me!
if i would buy an hot hatch it would be for the pure fun of driving not for fast lap times.
For me that is the EXACT combination I am looking for. Manual gearboxes in day-to-day driving is such a chore nowadays. Road testers don't have to live with the cars they test, and occasionally pitch comparisons which are not really going after the same buyer - 5 dr hatch or 2 door sports car: would one buyer really be juggling these two as alternatives?
Jeffrey West A chore? I drive a manual transmission coupe (a Toyota Levin) and it is the best thing I've ever driven. My wife's car is Automatic (Toyota Altezza, same as the LExus IS) and that I hate driving, the only thing I love about it is the rear-wheel drive and man, it does get up but at times the traction control is too intrusive, the back does go out ever now and then but that is on the odd occasion, but the manual is fun for me to drive - traffic on not, hills or not! I just love driving it!
BKamron Here here. Previous car was an auto and after coming from a manual I thought I'd be fine. Got bored and back in a manual now for the past 4 years. Traffic is a trade off I'm willing to live with
Drove the GT86 today finally. It is an absolute hoot to drive. Easy choice in this comparison. Toyota have got this one so, so right.
I would chose the clio over the GT86 any day
Why is he doing this review in his underpants?
He no longer fits into his trousers
The Clio is a Hot Hatch
The 86 is a real sport car
+Gaston Maqueda
r u sure?
swift vin
Absolutely
In the present days have a big missconception about the "sports cars"
Faster car doesn't means sport car.
Example : The Porsche Cayenne is faster than a Lotus Elise but is not a sport car
The clio is a FwD. The real sports cars are RWD or 4wd
The car balance, driving position, suspension, steering, gravity center, define a sport car, no the speed and the Horse Power
+Gaston Maqueda Exacly. Using the logic of '0-60' times as what makes a better sports car then a BMW X6M, a freaking SUV is more of a sports car than a Porshce Cayman GT4.
Anyone with a straight face going to tell me that a X6M is more of a sports car thana GT4?
Farhan Chowdhury
Exactly my friend. That is exactly I'am trying to explain, all the time.
The Porsche Cayenne Turbo S (SUV) is more sport than a Lamborghini Countach?
GT86...going back in time, when car's top priority was fun and not comfort
I am a huge fan of Renault Sport (even though I might be biased because I'm French), but if I had to pick between the two, I would go for the GT 86 without a splitsecond of hesitation. Not that the Clio is bad or anything (the Megane RS 265 still is Renault Sport's masterpiece though), but I HAVE to admit that Toyobaru's GT 86/BRZ is probably the best affordable sportscar nowadays. It's just so attractive and original, I shall own one sooner or later.
Ah ah...je pense comme toi ;-)
I would agree completely, however I test drove the GT86 last week and it's hard to put into words, but it is a lovely car to drive. There is a sense of occasion and involvement it gives you that you don't get in hatchbacks (regardless of superior power).
Toyota GT86 is way more engagingly exciting to drive than that stupid Renault Clio!!!
Japan beats France in sports cars!!!
wow, Nissan could have used this several years ago AND they still can use a Clio RS in the states ASAP to help their lackluster lineup and give the common man a Halo hatch so they (Nissan) doesn't have to rely on the $100,000 GT-R and long in the tooth 370Z to get ppl in the showroom . Also, all of their "spec V", SE-R trims are jokes and posses no real sporting intention. Nissan needs a lot of help in their US showrooms. I guess Nissan has bigger issues now than lacking a hot hatch in the current US line-up.
i prefer the renault cause it does 0-60 faster and is more precise (but yea less fun)
Literally every spec of the clio is better (except the gearbox, but that is preference), yet the GT86 is 5000 pounds more expensive? Easy choice, Clio
Each to their own! my old Clio 1.2L was one of my favorite handling cars, but now I've moved on a rwd Mazda RX-8, The GT86 ticks all the right boxes for me.
to much talkin on the clio,
This isn’t really a fair comparison, the Clio is never going to be as fun as a rwd sports car, but it offers some of the fun with more practicality and it sounds better and is much more pontent, if you were going to compare the two it should also be the gt86 auto vs the Clio.
Around 15% of the people who after watching a video like this on a channel like this chose to comment are interested in driving the car they move in. If this isn't a sign of the automotive times, present and upcoming...
This Clio 4RS is not the "raciest" version with CUP chassis but the "normal" with "Sport chassis" and this guy dont test with the raciest & free mode : The "Race mode"
Thus, take the Clio 4RS Cup chassis & use the "Race mode" & you wil have a funiest car than the "normal" Clio 4RS and funiest than this GT86 such slow & without power to compare vs the Clio 4RS
Here the FWD is better than the RWD ^^
speak for you
I try the both, the Toyota (& the Subaru BRZ its sister) & the Clio 4RS but with CUP chassis the best sport chassis & not the stock sport chassis there (see on my channel but sorry it's in French) & even if the new auto-sequential gearbox of the 4RS impose a new drive, the 4RS is more fun to drive and more powerful & that is what is required of sports cars
And more the CLIO 4RS is much cheaper!
By far if I change my current CLIO 2 RS1 it will be for the CLIO 4RS & not the Toyota
You CAN'T put numbers on fun, and you CAN'T put numbers on how much smiles a person has when driving the LFA because of it's sound and perfect handling. ANY CAR can go fast in a straight line. Modify it, but no car can be as fun in a twisty road as the LFA and the GT 86. Even Jeremy Clarkson thinks the Lexus LFA and GT 86 are the best sportscars he's ever driven, and his famous quote on the 86 was "He who shall be last, shall be sideways and smiling." So, what were you saying about Toyota again?
Clio RS might only be a small hatchback, but its capability of being fast and being comfortable at the same time is unmatched anywhere near its price point. Its the best small hot hatch, that is true. There's no need to even compare it to stuff like Polo GTI or Corsa OPC, its pointless, thats why nobody compares it to other hatches, but to more expensive RWD cars. EVO magazine chose the Clio RS as one of 10 best drivers cars in the world for years in a row, in company with Ferraris, Porsches...
Clio is by far the better engineered car. Why you ask? Well, because, its outright faster in any situation in any weather. Its much more comfortable and refined as well, has better fuel economy, a better engine, more usable because of max. torque from 1500-5500 rpm, faster gearbox, it scores better safety ratings, its got room for 5 people and their luggage, the interior is made from higher quality materials than in Toyota, etc. Its just a better car regardless of your preference of RWD.
And no, GT86 is not a better engineered car than Clio. Not by a long shot. Only someone clueless about engineering would say that. The only reason people praise the GT86 is because of its simple engineering. Its a very simple and almost primitive car. Its got simple suspension, pretty average engine and gearbox, etc. Its very light + RWD + 50/50 weight distribution + low grip tires. Thats the appeal.
No tire swap will ever make the GT86 grip as hard as Clio. Grip is not all about tires. Are you aware that the levels of grip Clio RS produces in corner rivals SUPERCARS? It can pull almost 1,4G in a corner, while GT86 cant even reach 0.9. Not to mention on limit Clio will still stay neutral with hint of understeer, while Toyota will be all over the place. Sliding around on a track might be fun, but on the road it gets old fast, not to mention its not very safe.
As far as reliability goes, your theories of Toyotas being reliable and Renaults not, is stuck in the...well, mid 90's. Today, all Renault models are at the top of their classes in terms of reliability. Check the latest ADAC statistics....and Megane was named the most reliable car in the hatchback segement by German DEKRA agency. Scenic is the top in its class, twingo is 2nd or 3rd, Clio 3 shared first spot with some other car, not sure....so...besides, GT86 feels cheap as hell inside.
How many owners of cars u know keep theirs for more than 5 years? We all know the low resistance tires are not for fuel saving. Its to get back the low back traction for u could drift. With sports cars, once u got this, u wanna try that. The cycle goes on. Sure the GT86 if great now. Whats down the road? There will be a lot of wrong category cars that will be better than it. The Clio is a good example. It doesn't even take 2 years.
Ahh... But i would buy a Cayman, I could buy a Boxter. I would have a boxer engine. But you don't have it at the back. Sure its expensive, but still a boxer engine if u wanna see it that way. Not really a good argument. Who cares about tuning engine anyway? We are talking out of the box drive. We all know tuning is endless process. Its pointless to talk about tuning when its all about who have a deeper wallet.
To Autocar, we people do not care the GT86 is a more fun car to drive. We want to win. In a cheaper car in a so called not logical FWD platform car. The end of the day, it will out drag the 86 at traffic lights, out run the 86 on most roads. Modern people want results. Wining is everything. Fun does not guarantee win. Laughing at the 86 from front from the rear view mirror is important.
Sorry for you but the reality is Renault did not need to come to the USA for sale, it would be too expensive, while Renault have Nissan (which belongs to Renault remember that) in a strong position in your USA...
CAN I GET ONE?! Even if I'm in 'Murica?
Different cars, but... Clio is cheaper, smart, roomy, faster, easy and safe to drive and gives enough fun to drive for real roads, where slidings are not the very best idea. Manual gearbox, are the past. F1, WRC..., all the supercars, the supersport cars.... are automatic cars. The real driving experience, is not in the clutch pedal.
It just doesn´t make a sense to me... I mean, dual-clutch Clio which was not supposed to be very lightweighted overruns the new GT-86 in the weight ... and everyone is saying that GT-86 is much more focused on weightsaving than any other ... lol does not make sense to me
can't pick between these two cars
the problem is they're trying to chase volkswagen and in the process have to become boring and grown up to appease the latte sippers who are too goofy with girly hands to drive a manual. Hell even VW still offer a manual.
Did you read what I wrote?
I agree with you, a manual is more fun, and you dont need a semi auto for that type of cars, I just said that for real track car or racing car, a good semi auto is just faster...
86 fxck the way !!
You know nothing about cars to deserve such a comment... NSX, GTO, RX-7, supra, lancer evo, LF-A, GT-R, and so many others silvia, type R, impreza etc...
Cancel the Swift
With its 130hp "only" compare to the 180 at 200hp in the others "little" sport cars it is not in the level sorry
Why the fuck are these two cars being compared? simply because they have the same BHP.. really don't understand why autocar keep doing this!!
So actually you don't give an order to change gear, it's just a suggestion and the software change gear or not... hummm, that's silly...
People saying they'd have the Clio because it cheaper, you can buy both these cars second hand for about 17 grand each, Gt86 all the way, I've only ever seen one Gt86 that's being driven properly, I always see them being driven at 20 mph. So do me a favour if anyone on here has got one, please drive it properly ie side ways
At least there may be some good buys in the future XD
the Problem with the word (fun) is (wet roads)
In Dry roads Fun Cars are OK !!!
Trow it a dump or a wet road ( U.K Norm ) and the word fun is replaced by
(Catastrophic)
try a FR-S/GT86/BRZ on wet roads, it is not fun anymore, it is extreme fun ^^
Lol Renault sucks
nissan though offers nothing in the GTI category and their cars dont seem as refined as the clio rs 200
the way the clio is described sounds like a german car. its a shame that its not offered here in the US
A manual isn't as good? As good at what?? Yes, for a racing car it's forgivable, but for a road car, or even a track car, an automatic is irrelevant. Concentrate more on driving? Changing gear IS DRIVING. Rev-matching IS DRIVING. If a car company released a car that used GPS to drive itself around a track at huge speed would that be better too? In terms of efficiency, you as a driver just wouldn't be as good.
Manual. Always. Because we don't race, on the road or on the track.
It doesn't make it different. It's an automatic gearbox with a bit of software. Does computer code make a gearbox different? Of course not.
Pressing a button to tell a computer to change gear makes idiots think they're driving something fast and exotic - all they're doing is driving an automatic a software engineer has fucked about with.
They're shite, pointless, and they're ruining cars.
The 86, though imperfect, is pretty much the cheap sportscar of the decade so its only natural for any cheap car with sporting aspirations to be compared to it.
It's not about RWD vs FWD, manual vs dual clutch, NA vs forced induction. It's about cheap thrills and having bags fun. Isn't that what these cars are all about?
How the car delivers the fun is not the point made here, rather which is more fun.
Everyone knows the "difference", and it makes no difference now you're discussing terminology rather than the actual product. Can it change gear on its own? Yes? Automatic gearbox. Adding paddles does not make some kind of incredible new gearbox. Rather than using your arm and foot, you're pressing a button and asking a computer to do it for you. Wow. How exciting. I get to do less in my car? Please! Let me have less fun!
You press a button / pull a paddle and you tell a computer to change gear. That's not a manual change. It's an automatic.
Every supercar builder is trying to sell cars, of course they're saying they're not automatics.
Most of the European population rejected torque-converter automatics, and so (in order to make cars cleaner in the eyes of the tests (but not in reality)) manufacturers built the twin clutch and said "SPORTS CAR!". And people like you jumped at it.
It's a fucking automatic.
Rubbish! FWD cars are most certainly not safer, if anything they're far more dangerous, modern ones in particular. Back when all manufacturers made run of the mill RWD cars with no driver aids or ABS etc, people were used to driving them and therefore had far better basic car control. Nowadays very few people have any sort of basic car control because the fucking things are too detached from any sense of driving.
Rubbish! FWD cars are most certainly not safer, if anything they're far more dangerous, modern ones in particular. Back when all manufacturers made run of the mill RWD cars with no driver aids or ABS etc, people were used to driving them and therefore had far better basic car control. Nowadays very few people have any sort of basic car control because the fucking things are too detatched from any sense of driving.
FWD drive cars are far cheaper to build and maintain and far safer on the road. Most people aren't racing drivers so rear wheel drive would be ridiculous for most road cars. Double clutch automatics are the way forward, they are faster than you, they are more economical than you and they don't wear out as quickly. AWD is better for putting power onto the road and for fast driving in low grip conditions.
Thoroughly agree. When will manufacturers finally understand that (for sports cars anyway) a PROPER 3 pedal RWD set up is what people want. Why the fuck do they continue to waste money on irritating flappy paddle gear changes and FWD when customers don't want them? Ban 4WD from rally cars and flappy paddles from both F1 and rally cars. If we consumers stopped buying any new front wheel drive sports car they would have to change.
Maybe in stock form the Clio will eat the GT86 but I don't think so especially on a technical track. This all changes when start modifying the car. The Clio will get eaten up.
I don't understand why you would say it's embarrassing because its not an everyday car. That's boring. Actually the car was made to have fun. You wouldn't understand unless you understand what makes a drivers car.
A drivers car would be best with a rwd. The more you increase the HP on fwd, the more oversteer you'll get especially coming out of a turn. No point having a fwd as a drivers car. You have to do suspension and sticky tires to keep the power to the ground.
Yeah the Toyota has a lot more recalls than the Renault but Toyota also sold way more cars. Also the recall has to do with electronics, it's never been engine reliability. Toyota's engine is more reliable than a Renault.
Goodbye everything pretty much then that made Clio RS's so good. Another victim (in this form at least) of hot hatches trying to tick all the boxes and in doing so losing some of the characteristics that make the hot version stand out from the rest of the range. It looks like the Renault Sport Division have succumb to chasing volume sales instead of making hardcore cars. And i suppose this vid shows that by rawness of the Toyota regardless of its driven wheels.
While I haven't driven a Clio (Renault doesn't exist in the States), I have driven a MINI JCW, which I think you'll agree is a comparable hot hatchback. There was no getting away from the fact that it felt wrong wheel drive. It fried its inside front wheel when accelerating quickly out of a driveway/business, and compared to a MX-5, it was nowhere near as eager to rotate and change direction. FWD, no matter how well sorted, will always be wrong wheel drive. Period.
Ok first, the GT86 is a better tuning base, sure with that base RS verse a base GT86 you might beat me out of a light, but I have something you don't a Subaru boxer engine, in fact I have a boxer engine that people have reliably pulled upwards of 500 horses out of. Now if I wanted to ruin my car, and compete with your lame straight line RS I'd just boost the crap out of my car and far exceed your tuning limits.
Dude thanks for understanding man. These guys are making a fuss because I elaborated. For example the defination of a sports car is cheap and fun, supercard are on the expensive side and are even faster than the sports car, sometimes gt cars exist with high horsepower but not as great handeling prowess as supercars and hyper cars are anything from light supercars costing mostly over 500,000 dollars simple.
Omg man, are you serious, I was trying to mention sports cars are anything from a toyota gt86 to an aston martin(aston is a gran touring car hence not a supercar and is not considered a great handeling car), supercar can be anything from a nissan gtr to a lamborghini aventador, hyper cars are pretty much a mixed bag from zonda to koenigsegg agera to bugatti veyron even the veyron is an engineering marvel instead of a light weight mid engined beast.
see past the small things ;)..; at least, he understand why a car is buid in a speciffic way and what is the main reason for which we all should appreciate the "toyobaru".
let me put in in another way: the last time when you were, in a clear Thursday morning, on Transfagarasan/Transalpina/Pasul Tihuta/valea Jiului/Faget-Sacamas/etc..you were driving like you have just stolen the car..or your diesel golf IV is more happy just too mooch along the curvy road and not go over 2500rpm?
regards,
E.
I get why you hate 4 cylinder and 6 you are an Aussy, you guys dont like anything less than v8 or v6 or anything that is not 4 cylinder i get your point your roads are very different, if you lived in europe or asia you would appreciate cars like these. So there you go an educated no hate mail to you bro. Cheers mate, keep your opinions to yourself. A lot of people love these cars and cant understand why you hate them thats all later
To recap: you said Aston Martin DBS is a sportcar. It is a supercar actually. Next you said the 911 is a supercar when in fact it is a sportcar. You did not mention the model of the Zonda. I only consider the one with the 7.3l that Harry Metcalfe has to be a hypercar. And the only cars atm you can call hypercars are the Huayra, Koernigsegg Agera R, Venom GT(debatable), Bugatti and Lambo Aventador. You can't expect me to take you seriously when you call a V12 supercar...a sportcat.
Listen Horse Power boy. Let me try to explain myself, sports car means cheapish car usually with rear wheel drive front engine, supercar can be the same config or can be a mid engine or a rear engine in general supercars have better handling than sports cars and hypercars seem to be all over the place at the moment. Let me try explain, mazda mx5, bmw m3, then at the top end aston vanquish(SPORTS CARS, Aston beeing a GT. Supercars lotus exige, ferrari 458, porsche 911, ferrari f12. Got it?
Razvann> You can't rank cars with bhp. Otherwise any diesel car remapped @ 1000+ hp would become hypercar. That's non-sense.
BrunoG> One can't say this new C4RS is the best of the category. It depends on what one's searching for.
I love hot hatches, but 3 doors only, with brembos, racing styling design bucket seats and manual gear. My 3 contenders were corsa opc/punto abarth/ibiza cupra. ibiza gearbox and opc interio plastic failed. 4 me C4RS is not top of the line: nothing matches my criterias.
Listen buddy there are three types of performance cars. Sports cars, Super cars and hyper cars. Examples. sports cars can be anything from a toyota 86, nissan 370z mazda rx8 etc to an aston martin dbs(or vanquish), then supercars from ferrari 458, porsche 911 to lamborghini aventador ferrari f12, then hypercars anytying from pagani zonda to bugatti veyron(even though the veyron is not as agile as usual hypercars), talk when you grow up we are all adults find one who knows about cars then speak.
"looks funny and childish"
You mean not grown up like in your games?
"much more aggressive"
What was the name of that famous writer who refrained from using much more when simply more was quite adequate to prove a point?
RS was famous for being hardcore. Well,first of all there aren't too many "hardcore" Renaults, but if the RS was just that then buy yourself a good used one and have all the fun in the world.
In the end outright performance overcomes any minor gripes about childish styling
I don't like the new clio RS at all.. It looks funny and childish, it is turbocharged, it has that stupid DCT.. I would take the old model over this anytime - it looks much more,aggressive, has a proper NA engine and manual transmission and with a CUP chassis and Recaros it's the ultimate choice for enthusiasts with not so deep pockets.. The new one is trying to be more grown up, but that is bullshit to me.. You have plenty of "mature" hot hatchbacks, RS was famous for being HARDCORE!
True that. Rich people buy lousy goods because they could afford it. While poor guys like me can't. hahaha
The only thing i didn't like about the Clio when i test drove it was that it didn't feel special enough. There was nice noises, it was fast with really good ride but it wasn't hot. They need to inject a bit more fun in the car. Or you could just add an exhaust, remap and basic suspension changes (firmer ride and more tail action) and it would be a hoot and a weapon. But I have nothing but respect for the 86, old school fun
Bollocks, drive a megane RS265 and come back and try to tell me about detachment. Also for the average punter fwd cars are safer because of their tendency to understeer. That being said, the speeds at which most people drive their cars makes these arguments irrelevant because the handling dynamics of the vehicles are not remotely explored.
Renaultsport all day long, Clio and Megane eat the GT86 alive and in that respect, for me at least, it's not a contender... which is a bit embarrassing considering this car was built specifically for performance whereas the Clio and Megane are based on everyday use, practical cars. GT86 reminds me of a Hyundai Coupe/Genesis ffs
mc pherson sucks. it's just a low cost solution (even though bmw and porsche uses it) and btw. a turbo is no little modification. anyway, in my book it would be more intersting to increase the bore from the gt86 and change the intake desgin as well as the exhaust and put it on proper tyres. i suspect it would be an pretty interresting ride then.
Why are they comparing these two? They probably won't be cross shopped, because of the price difference and their completely different characters and purposes. I prefer the looks of the Clio, inside and out. The Toyota, although a valiant attempt at trying to go for good design, is still quite ugly. That said, I'd take a rear wheel drive any day! I own a 2004 MSMX-5.
The Clio seems more like a case of straighten up the software. A very minor quibble. The Toyobaru triplets need some help on basic handling and overall speed, and that needs to happen real fast before competitors arrive thinking GM, Nissan, and recently KIA. Sorry, I'm not buying the drift car angle of this car.
Stop bitching about the price of GT86 its not meant to be cheap. Toyota make cars that last so your pay a bit more and never spend on repairs. How muxmch you think it will cost you when that cheap french double clutch box goes? Fucking thousands, Renault havent exactly got a reputation for quality! You pay for what you get. Thus I own a Lexus, my case in point.