I agree the clio is better looking but I don't think the fiesta looks very American. I drive a fiesta st and on the road my car looks European compared to everything else
Alex Napper Even with the Mountune kit it's easily over 1000€ cheaper. That pays for 2 sets of Michelin pilot sport 3 tires. Renault has blown it by not having a manual as standard. It's a hot hatch requirement. It's not playing in the league of cars like GTR, 911, and lambo's. and what not.
I live in Toronto, Canada. Ive never even seen a Clio, but obviously a Fiesta. I only really watched this review because of Chris Harris' personality! Excellent info and entertaining to watch! They should drop Tanner Foust and have Chris as a third presenter
Fair enough that's one out of many. The best thing I advise you to do is not worry about a review and test drive them all yourself like I did and I went for the ST in the end, purely down to how well it handles. Pick the right one for yourself.
I'll have my Mountune MP215 kit finally fitted after over a year of having my ST, I wanted to get really used to the stock performance so I'd feel the benefit from the Mtune kit. So excited! If I'm honest I think Chris Harris is the reason I bought a Fiesta ST! Loved his review of it.
@@richardhurr31 funnily enough I didn't actually go with Mountune, I went for a Revo stage 2 kit instead running somewhere between 240 and 250 hp, full Milltek non res turbo back exhaust (with Milltek sports cat), airtec intake, intercooler (can't remember brand) and I was NOT disappointed haha. Only thing I was disappointed with was how often I needed to change the front rubber lol
The problem I have is a like the Clio. Yes I miss the manual but I think I could get over it. The fiesta is brilliant to my eyes I like the styling but I do have a soft spot for the 208 gti I'm just glad they've found their mojo again
Exactly :D Really I wanted to see Chris compare the standard ST to the standard Clio. But I guess he has already said his opinion on that, which is in a conflict with the internet.
I think the Ford stays true to the original definition of what a hot hatch should be. The Renault is trying to change the hot hatch formula which isn't broken in the first place.
The brakes on the Feista st are really really good I've never had brake fade yet and I've driven mine pretty hard it's the best all round hot hatch and has been for 3 years or so so the French have a bit of catching up to do on how to improve on the Feista
Forcing people to have a 5 door with auto box only in this sector is going to put a lot of people off, especially fans of the old clio....which was 3 door with a 6 speed manual. Also I bet that gearbox is at least part of why the clio is so much more expensive than the ST. Kinda shot themselves in the foot there really.
+soundseeker63 yes clearly based on the comments you're absolutely right. I suppose people get hot hatches for the driving pleasure and fun of it all, not sheer speed, and as such the 6 sp fiesta is miles ahead in terms of popularity.
+lalala kieran In australia the clio has seen a massive boost in sales over the previous gen clio due to the EDC gearbox. I'm not saying it wouldn't be nice to also have a manual option but Renault stated that it was one or the other and chose to go dual clutch. Everyone is still hoping for a manual Gordini though and that would be a nice car. In this price bracket though the most popular small sports car in aus is by far the toyota 86
Daniel Bradey golf gti's are everywhere in Sydney and polo gti's too are very popular. I got a golf gti 2011, manual of course, love it. really is manic little car when pushed not always so mature
Yeah. But in Straya so few people can even operate a manual. It annoyed me so much, that a lot cool used cars that I wanted to buy were only available in auto. Auto gearboxes are a huge market there. In Europe however, manual is still the stuff most people can use/want to have/buy. Props to the few Aussies that drive stick.
It's nice there is now a car choice for everybody. The Clio for the gadget brigade, The ST has followed on from previous Clios but with the torque that everyone that didn't like to use a gearbox and a cam tuned powerband moaned about and the 208 GTI for the people that want a more everyday hot hatch in this sector. It's a good time if you have the money. No one needs to bother with any over priced VAG crap for a change.
What was the relevance with the Cup car? I have a 172 and love the look of the new Clio, agreed lots of people say they prefer the Ford (maybe because cheap lease deals allow the hot hatch generation to drive a brand new car??) But the last 3 minutes of this video honestly make it look like Renault just asked you to drive their Cup racer to take the spotlight away from the Ford winning in a straight line at the start of the vid...
Well with the new Clio Trophy having 220BHP and 260Nm of torque (280Nm with overboost in 4th and 5th!) I'm glad I've gone for the Clio..... I know it's more expensive but it just has so much more going for it than the Fiesta..... And if a lot of it is about talk as Chris says the the new Clio trophy has almost 100Nm than the stock Fiesta and OVER 100Nm in the later gears.....
Dreamon - The Belgian Critic Manual is standard on those cars. They give the customer a choice. Renault should have done the same thing. Would have made the car more appealing.
Neo VeNoM The option should be there, i agree, but destroying a car solely on the transmission alone is horse crap. In the cars that i mention in the previous comment, Top Gear and neither Fifth Gear complaint about their Double Clutch transmission, however, some of them do offer it in manual. So basically they're just writing angry reviews about it because they don't have the "option" to go for manual.
i am from north america so i don't know this... but whenever renault is mentioned, everyone says it's unreliable and will slowly fall apart. is this true?
i find it odd in some shots its clearly molten orange in colour up to and including lining up and not once it goes.i know the molten orange colour changes dramatically in different lighting conditions but not to a red even burgundy colour as i had one
Why? It's exactly the same. The gears are in the same position. The Reverse is in the front but that is very common on Diesel powered cars, and it's easy to get used to.
OK... so the clio the high performance one in the last part of the video. How do you get that kind of race car sound in a stock fiesta st or clio? Is that actually the sound from the exhaust or is it an entire different engine set-up? That sound is the coolest sound in the world and I would give my left leg to have that high pitch spooling whine of a race car in my stock fiesta st.
Yes, that is true but the idea that first gear is furthest (besides reverse) from you rather than right up to your right thigh (or left in that case). It would definitely take some getting used to, but not impossible.
WhiteMoonLights That's a comparison between the stock versions of each car. The Fiesta ST in this video has been fitted with the Mountune Performance package giving it 215 hp.
Thanks for the english subtitles!!! it´s make easier to me understand the video!! I´m from Brazil and english it´s not my native language!! So if can put subtitles in all of these videos i´ll be greteful!! Thanks!! and congratulations for the channel!
Yea I know. Putting anything other than a fully manual gearbox in a hot hatch is like having a diesel porche 911. Its just wrong. The whole point in a hot hatch is high performance, practicality, low cost and no fancy nonsense :/ Even VW finaly realised that and put a manual box in the updated 1.8 Polo GTI.
Dual clutches put out amazing shift times but in anything like a hot hatch I just don't think it's needed, people don't buy a hot hatch for maximum speed they buy them for fun. Just think a manual better suits both these cars
Some of the go-fast goodies we never get over here in the States. We got the Focus ST, but I didn't know they made a Fiesta ST too! And the Clio is cute too.
Would be interesting to see that Clio Cup edition go up against the Ford Fiesta RS (like Ken Block drives). Would also like to see the Mountune Fiesta up against a regular ST to see if the difference is really worth the extra cash.
BurqaKing! thats fricken awesome! Totally agree the track if the place to explore the limits. Had errands to do all day. Took the wagon out and slow to warm up / fluctuating temp. Also wouldn't stay composed when pushing on a tight 450 degree onramp that is well cambered but drops maybe 8m. To the shed to do the thermostat (stuck halfway open) and flush + new coolant. Check tyre pressures (had done that when I picked it up but checked for changes) still all the same so check alignment, ...cont
pt 3 Some of the offramps etc, all Auckland NZ. Westbound on Esmonde Rd, descending left hander to get on to SH1 Northbound. Northbound on SH1, get off at Albany Expressway / Greville Rd, right hander on the roundabout and switch to the left that rises steeply to get back on SH1. Huia Rd and on to gravel on Whatipu Rd.
the next Golf 7 R will ( if I remember correctly reading it on top gears website ) have the haldex drive like all the other R-series cars from them BUT it will be able to send 100% of the power to the rear wheels if you want so or it requires it
Nobody is too old for hooning around in a hot hatch! Although if you have space needs, the Focus could be better for you. I drove my friend's around and it was sublime.
makes me wonder whether that fiesta was driven with the air con on like in the early part of the video which shows the as air con on as we all know thiswill slow the car down a bit,but it will pee all over a standard clio sport.i know so(ive one in st3 guise).like chris says above 60mph it is so aggressive in mountune guise
Chris said he prefers the Clio. It's really up to you which is better, Top Gear says the Fords the best, others may say the 208GTI is the best. But I think the Clio is overpriced. I have an ST and think it's awesome but I never drove the Clio, out of my price range. I think we should be glad we have 3 amazing hot hatches all hit the market at the same time :)
We can't get the Clio here anyway. And the Fiesta ST is only available as a Four Door which I don't mind I don't get caught up in how many doors a car has. I want a Focus ST because it's larger and nicer inside but every time I watch a video by Chris or by Matt @ Smoking Tire on their Modifed ST,it makes me want one especially if the banks won't let me have a loaded up Focus ST, might as well get a Fiesta ST, loaded get a tune (not Mountune in the US that's too conservative), exhaust and something I won't mention, increase the power by 40%... Its the small car that's good at EVERYTHING and that's hard to ignore.
renault is the f1 champion and the only one exept ferrari who wins with chassis and engine of their own a title,my r19 i had was way better handling than my friend 106,his words...and realy way better relieable than my other friend golf,clio was after corrola that time and especialy energy engine 1,4,so many r19 and clio of that time stil work compare to golf and polo,some restect to the history of renault
The chassis in an F1 car probably costs about £200,000. Don't kid yourself into thinking Renaults are good just because they make good F1 cars. There have been two Renaults in my family, my grandad had a Scenic, and my cousin had a Megane Dynamique, both were nothing but trouble, my cousin has a Focus now, it's never missed a beat.
Having driven a clio 4 RS cup chassi for a bit more than 11.500 km to this day, I completly agree with Chris Harris regarding the gearbox. It works just perfectly well and is a real bonus in everyday conditions. The car is fun to drive and probably better than the ford for a daily ride on UK roads. 5th gear review is just plain stupid.
The Clio isn't better equipped though, no idea why people say that, you can't state the flappy paddle gearbox means better equipped as it pushes the Clios price up a lot.
Most people that make the comments haven't driven either and are making noises to match the crowd. I'd take the Fiesta (which I agree surprised me after the XR5) but I don't mind chucking it around and it would be a 100% street car. Love how Clios handle and the predictable nature. I don't not like the DSG but really enjoy changing gears and feel that is a legitimate part of a driving experience.
Clio is way better looking to me but preference varies from person to person, honestly looks like for won this one, cheaper, faster the only reason you'd get the Clio is if you just prefer it lol
It would make sense for them to sell it as a Nissan in North America. I would like to see that :) I wish car companies would sell all the models all over the world, not just limited to markets. (even if in limited runs)
+Groaznic Ford Mountune are fords approved tuner, a lot of ford dealerships also have a mountune department in the uk. And ford uphold the warranty on mountune upgraded cars.
tn21beer I know, still that's just a factory approved partner, that doesn't make it correct to say that Ford did this tuning package. It's Mountune until the day Ford buys them.
+Groaznic Think of it this way, when you buy a Golf Gti you can have the normal one or for a bit more you can have the performance pack which ups power and fits LSD. Similar kind of thing to the mountune upgrades. It doesnt void warrenty or anything and if you compare it to what other manufacturers are doing Peron or Pumaspeed for example, then you realise the mountune is a very mild upgrade. This Ecoboost motor can handle over 350bhp on stock internals, proves how great this engine is!
Depends on the person. Like me I'm having more fun when I'm at the edge of the limit the car can have. For some others it's enough when the tires start to spueesh.
I'm getting soon Clio RS 200 EDC and just can't wait! Been waitin for almost four months now...
@Batman dude his comment was 7years ago lol
Another weekly video dose of automotive excellence. Keep up the good work Chris and all of you at Drive.
I think that Clio is better looking. looks incredible from the rear. fiesta looks, well, american.
Alex Bienemann has the Clio got a manual gearbox... No!
I agree the clio is better looking but I don't think the fiesta looks very American. I drive a fiesta st and on the road my car looks European compared to everything else
@@rejoicerone3176 yes
But you can heel and toe
Clio has a face only a mother could love
That Walkinshaw V6 was a mental move for any brand at any time. As car lovers we have to savour those moments, they won't come often.
i like the recent use of slow mo clips, they really make it a different viewing experience, keep pumpin out the footage chris! dedicated viewer/fan
gotta love that straight cut whine
0-60 in 6.5 in a Ford Fiesta of all things... these are good times for automotive enthusiasts.
need to compare the mountune st to the clio 220 trophy ,,, pleassse
r14j Why? It's more expensive. Surely the point it that you can have the Fiesta with Mountune for the same price as the regular Clio RS?
Alex Napper Even with the Mountune kit it's easily over 1000€ cheaper. That pays for 2 sets of Michelin pilot sport 3 tires. Renault has blown it by not having a manual as standard. It's a hot hatch requirement. It's not playing in the league of cars like GTR, 911, and lambo's. and what not.
@@Naps-95 exactly
I live in Toronto, Canada. Ive never even seen a Clio, but obviously a Fiesta. I only really watched this review because of Chris Harris' personality! Excellent info and entertaining to watch! They should drop Tanner Foust and have Chris as a third presenter
Fair enough that's one out of many. The best thing I advise you to do is not worry about a review and test drive them all yourself like I did and I went for the ST in the end, purely down to how well it handles. Pick the right one for yourself.
I'll have my Mountune MP215 kit finally fitted after over a year of having my ST, I wanted to get really used to the stock performance so I'd feel the benefit from the Mtune kit. So excited! If I'm honest I think Chris Harris is the reason I bought a Fiesta ST! Loved his review of it.
And I bet you were disappointed with it lol.
@@richardhurr31 funnily enough I didn't actually go with Mountune, I went for a Revo stage 2 kit instead running somewhere between 240 and 250 hp, full Milltek non res turbo back exhaust (with Milltek sports cat), airtec intake, intercooler (can't remember brand) and I was NOT disappointed haha. Only thing I was disappointed with was how often I needed to change the front rubber lol
@@Matt7R haha good choice. Glad you saw sense. 😂
The problem I have is a like the Clio. Yes I miss the manual but I think I could get over it. The fiesta is brilliant to my eyes I like the styling but I do have a soft spot for the 208 gti I'm just glad they've found their mojo again
+Ian Townsend Me too, wish I could see more of the 208 GTI around.
Exactly :D
Really I wanted to see Chris compare the standard ST to the standard Clio. But I guess he has already said his opinion on that, which is in a conflict with the internet.
I think the Ford stays true to the original definition of what a hot hatch should be. The Renault is trying to change the hot hatch formula which isn't broken in the first place.
“30 degrees is a heat wave”
Lol *laughs in south of France
The brakes on the Feista st are really really good I've never had brake fade yet and I've driven mine pretty hard it's the best all round hot hatch and has been for 3 years or so so the French have a bit of catching up to do on how to improve on the Feista
He is stating the temp in Celsius, the conversion is 86 degrees Fahrenheit ,pretty warm for the UK I think.
I'm a big RenaultSport fan, I've got a Mk3 Clio 200 but id still have the ST over the new Clio. £21,000 for a JUNIOR hot hatch? No thanks
Chris this may very well be a ridiculous question but would one be able to purchase a cup car and if so how much are they?
Forcing people to have a 5 door with auto box only in this sector is going to put a lot of people off, especially fans of the old clio....which was 3 door with a 6 speed manual.
Also I bet that gearbox is at least part of why the clio is so much more expensive than the ST. Kinda shot themselves in the foot there really.
+soundseeker63 yes clearly based on the comments you're absolutely right. I suppose people get hot hatches for the driving pleasure and fun of it all, not sheer speed, and as such the 6 sp fiesta is miles ahead in terms of popularity.
+lalala kieran In australia the clio has seen a massive boost in sales over the previous gen clio due to the EDC gearbox. I'm not saying it wouldn't be nice to also have a manual option but Renault stated that it was one or the other and chose to go dual clutch. Everyone is still hoping for a manual Gordini though and that would be a nice car. In this price bracket though the most popular small sports car in aus is by far the toyota 86
Daniel Bradey golf gti's are everywhere in Sydney and polo gti's too are very popular. I got a golf gti 2011, manual of course, love it. really is manic little car when pushed not always so mature
Yeah. But in Straya so few people can even operate a manual. It annoyed me so much, that a lot cool used cars that I wanted to buy were only available in auto. Auto gearboxes are a huge market there. In Europe however, manual is still the stuff most people can use/want to have/buy.
Props to the few Aussies that drive stick.
Robert Waffel gotta have hot hatches in manual imo.
Need to do the 220 trophy clio vs the montune fiesta
It's nice there is now a car choice for everybody. The Clio for the gadget brigade, The ST has followed on from previous Clios but with the torque that everyone that didn't like to use a gearbox and a cam tuned powerband moaned about and the 208 GTI for the people that want a more everyday hot hatch in this sector. It's a good time if you have the money. No one needs to bother with any over priced VAG crap for a change.
What was the relevance with the Cup car?
I have a 172 and love the look of the new Clio, agreed lots of people say they prefer the Ford (maybe because cheap lease deals allow the hot hatch generation to drive a brand new car??)
But the last 3 minutes of this video honestly make it look like Renault just asked you to drive their Cup racer to take the spotlight away from the Ford winning in a straight line at the start of the vid...
Erm....wasnt that fiesta tuned? Did anyone see the little yellow badge on the tailgate! And why isnt a comparison to the polo gti being done?
so not the same gearbox in the clip cup car as in all the rs 4 road cars? Not sure I heard it right.
What do you mean? The gearbox is the same as in left-hand-drive cars.
Well with the new Clio Trophy having 220BHP and 260Nm of torque (280Nm with overboost in 4th and 5th!) I'm glad I've gone for the Clio.....
I know it's more expensive but it just has so much more going for it than the Fiesta.....
And if a lot of it is about talk as Chris says the the new Clio trophy has almost 100Nm than the stock Fiesta and OVER 100Nm in the later gears.....
a sporty car whit an automatic? hell no, sir
automatics are like elevators they are ment for pregnant women and old peaple
LOL Spilo, all supers cars have it these days, even BMW and Audi use it in their Hatchbacks like the M135i and RS3. Your statement is invalid.
Calm down guys, he's clearly trolling
Dreamon - The Belgian Critic Manual is standard on those cars. They give the customer a choice. Renault should have done the same thing. Would have made the car more appealing.
Neo VeNoM
The option should be there, i agree, but destroying a car solely on the transmission alone is horse crap. In the cars that i mention in the previous comment, Top Gear and neither Fifth Gear complaint about their Double Clutch transmission, however, some of them do offer it in manual. So basically they're just writing angry reviews about it because they don't have the "option" to go for manual.
+spiloFTW and people with baggage hahahaha
4:57 now that's how you hit the apex
3:47 what was that under the Fiesta? an oil squirt? water?
i wonder whats funner, clio cup or a well built honda challange car
The clio cup has a limited slip/locked differential right?
Chris, do you left foot brake? And how about a foot work shot on one of your vids so we can see how much is going on?
Will the montune kit be available in the us?
i am from north america so i don't know this... but whenever renault is mentioned, everyone says it's unreliable and will slowly fall apart. is this true?
I really do think that whoever comes out with a rwd hatchback now, will most definitely kill em all. I hope Kia's concept comes out.
hi im from the future yes it did indeed come out
Please do a video off a fiat 500 asseto corsee direct competitor for these 2 car!
How about the Tesla Model S P85+? It just got to Europe, might not be a bad time to test it..say along with an M5 for good measure?
i find it odd in some shots its clearly molten orange in colour up to and including lining up and not once it goes.i know the molten orange colour changes dramatically in different lighting conditions but not to a red even burgundy colour as i had one
It's not really a hatchback anymore, is it?
The 1 serie is quite bigger than the clio etc
Why? It's exactly the same. The gears are in the same position. The Reverse is in the front but that is very common on Diesel powered cars, and it's easy to get used to.
OK... so the clio the high performance one in the last part of the video. How do you get that kind of race car sound in a stock fiesta st or clio? Is that actually the sound from the exhaust or is it an entire different engine set-up? That sound is the coolest sound in the world and I would give my left leg to have that high pitch spooling whine of a race car in my stock fiesta st.
How's it different than ours ? My 2004 Focus has the same knob ?
Why you driven the Clio not in the Race-Mode in the Drag?!
Yes, that is true but the idea that first gear is furthest (besides reverse) from you rather than right up to your right thigh (or left in that case). It would definitely take some getting used to, but not impossible.
WhiteMoonLights
That's a comparison between the stock versions of each car. The Fiesta ST in this video has been fitted with the Mountune Performance package giving it 215 hp.
Thanks for the english subtitles!!! it´s make easier to me understand the video!!
I´m from Brazil and english it´s not my native language!! So if can put subtitles in all of these videos i´ll be greteful!!
Thanks!! and congratulations for the channel!
I would like to get a Clio, but they don't have them over here in the states. Considering a Fiesta though.
St fiesta the best car ever 😍🔥
Automatic gearboxes are for lexus and buses not hot hatches
dilawer321 I've never seen a bus and a lexus with a dual clutch gearbox. Unless you think automatics and dual clutches are the same...
Yea I know. Putting anything other than a fully manual gearbox in a hot hatch is like having a diesel porche 911. Its just wrong. The whole point in a hot hatch is high performance, practicality, low cost and no fancy nonsense :/
Even VW finaly realised that and put a manual box in the updated 1.8 Polo GTI.
Ya only the enzo Ferrari has one
Dual clutches put out amazing shift times but in anything like a hot hatch I just don't think it's needed, people don't buy a hot hatch for maximum speed they buy them for fun. Just think a manual better suits both these cars
Where can I get the rear spoiler that is on the clio cup?
Some of the go-fast goodies we never get over here in the States. We got the Focus ST, but I didn't know they made a Fiesta ST too! And the Clio is cute too.
weve got the fiesta st in canada so you must have it in the states. i agree we dont get most european spec goodies but i think youre wrong on this one
We got the Fiesta, but not the ST model. And we just got the Focus ST. That'll satisfy me for a while.
Chalres Kirkland you can buy the fiest st in the states, but you dont get the option of a 2 door. there is only the 4 door st
So it could be faster than the Focus for less money? Right...
Please make a video with the new Focus ST Mountune!
The sound of that Cup car us just fantastic. What fun.
Would be interesting to see that Clio Cup edition go up against the Ford Fiesta RS (like Ken Block drives). Would also like to see the Mountune Fiesta up against a regular ST to see if the difference is really worth the extra cash.
After the Ferrari video it would br very dificult to top that one but still a good one this is! keep it up Chris!
What about an engine transplant for the Fiesta.The one from a Focus ST, a wider track. and a Fiesta R5 bodyshell
BurqaKing! thats fricken awesome! Totally agree the track if the place to explore the limits. Had errands to do all day. Took the wagon out and slow to warm up / fluctuating temp. Also wouldn't stay composed when pushing on a tight 450 degree onramp that is well cambered but drops maybe 8m. To the shed to do the thermostat (stuck halfway open) and flush + new coolant. Check tyre pressures (had done that when I picked it up but checked for changes) still all the same so check alignment, ...cont
pt 3 Some of the offramps etc, all Auckland NZ. Westbound on Esmonde Rd, descending left hander to get on to SH1 Northbound. Northbound on SH1, get off at Albany Expressway / Greville Rd, right hander on the roundabout and switch to the left that rises steeply to get back on SH1. Huia Rd and on to gravel on Whatipu Rd.
the next Golf 7 R will ( if I remember correctly reading it on top gears website ) have the haldex drive like all the other R-series cars from them BUT it will be able to send 100% of the power to the rear wheels if you want so or it requires it
Nobody is too old for hooning around in a hot hatch! Although if you have space needs, the Focus could be better for you. I drove my friend's around and it was sublime.
I'm glad Ford is putting out great hot hatches. Hopefully, other manufacturers will follow suite.
Mountune needs to come to the US market. Ford has the best hot hatches at the moment and I think they would sell well in the US.
makes me wonder whether that fiesta was driven with the air con on like in the early part of the video which shows the as air con on as we all know thiswill slow the car down a bit,but it will pee all over a standard clio sport.i know so(ive one in st3 guise).like chris says above 60mph it is so aggressive in mountune guise
Chris said he prefers the Clio. It's really up to you which is better, Top Gear says the Fords the best, others may say the 208GTI is the best. But I think the Clio is overpriced. I have an ST and think it's awesome but I never drove the Clio, out of my price range. I think we should be glad we have 3 amazing hot hatches all hit the market at the same time :)
That Cleo race car sounds absolutely stunning wowsers....
Fiesta ST: a proper POCKET ROCKET... ❤
RWD and shots wheelbase is a recipe for a legend!! Lancia Stratos, Toyota GT86, Lotus Elise, Mazda Miata etc...
We can't get the Clio here anyway. And the Fiesta ST is only available as a Four Door which I don't mind I don't get caught up in how many doors a car has. I want a Focus ST because it's larger and nicer inside but every time I watch a video by Chris or by Matt @ Smoking Tire on their Modifed ST,it makes me want one especially if the banks won't let me have a loaded up Focus ST, might as well get a Fiesta ST, loaded get a tune (not Mountune in the US that's too conservative), exhaust and something I won't mention, increase the power by 40%... Its the small car that's good at EVERYTHING and that's hard to ignore.
probably because reverse gear is in a different place and the shifter requires you to use your left hand
Shame on RS for not giving us a manual
Am yet to see a clio on the road but see fiestas st's. Renault have dropped the ball it seems
is it supercharged or is the noise gearbox wine ?
haha must be supercharged and turbocharged
renault is the f1 champion and the only one exept ferrari who wins with chassis and engine of their own a title,my r19 i had was way better handling than my friend 106,his words...and realy way better relieable than my other friend golf,clio was after corrola that time and especialy energy engine 1,4,so many r19 and clio of that time stil work compare to golf and polo,some restect to the history of renault
The chassis in an F1 car probably costs about £200,000. Don't kid yourself into thinking Renaults are good just because they make good F1 cars. There have been two Renaults in my family, my grandad had a Scenic, and my cousin had a Megane Dynamique, both were nothing but trouble, my cousin has a Focus now, it's never missed a beat.
why? It has the exact same shift pattern as the american version.
do you own both of them?
30 Degrees Celsius a heatwave? Its just turned Spring in South Africa and we are already averaging at 30 :) when summer comes we will be at 38-40
Having driven a clio 4 RS cup chassi for a bit more than 11.500 km to this day, I completly agree with Chris Harris regarding the gearbox. It works just perfectly well and is a real bonus in everyday conditions. The car is fun to drive and probably better than the ford for a daily ride on UK roads. 5th gear review is just plain stupid.
I'm loving that red seatbelt.
Stock Clio vs a mod ST? Stupid comparison
The Clio isn't better equipped though, no idea why people say that, you can't state the flappy paddle gearbox means better equipped as it pushes the Clios price up a lot.
can I get the TL:DR version of this argument?
Most people that make the comments haven't driven either and are making noises to match the crowd. I'd take the Fiesta (which I agree surprised me after the XR5) but I don't mind chucking it around and it would be a 100% street car. Love how Clios handle and the predictable nature. I don't not like the DSG but really enjoy changing gears and feel that is a legitimate part of a driving experience.
Might have to import one for now. Costly if you have to repair it though.
what is trail braking?
Clio is way better looking to me but preference varies from person to person, honestly looks like for won this one, cheaper, faster the only reason you'd get the Clio is if you just prefer it lol
Why? It isn't really different, is it?
It would make sense for them to sell it as a Nissan in North America. I would like to see that :) I wish car companies would sell all the models all over the world, not just limited to markets. (even if in limited runs)
Good review ! nice to see the Clio Cup !
I'd like to hear Chris's take on a Mazdaspeed3.
"Ford has boosted the Fiesta ST" -- they haven't, though? Isn't this a performance package add-on made by the tuner Mountune?
+Groaznic Ford Mountune are fords approved tuner, a lot of ford dealerships also have a mountune department in the uk. And ford uphold the warranty on mountune upgraded cars.
tn21beer I know, still that's just a factory approved partner, that doesn't make it correct to say that Ford did this tuning package. It's Mountune until the day Ford buys them.
+Groaznic Mountune can't launch anything if ford doesn't approve it even if the warranty is off... so for me it's factory upgrade
steve19901988 LOL anybody can launch anything, not having an official partnership is just that -- not having an official partnership.
+Groaznic Think of it this way, when you buy a Golf Gti you can have the normal one or for a bit more you can have the performance pack which ups power and fits LSD. Similar kind of thing to the mountune upgrades. It doesnt void warrenty or anything and if you compare it to what other manufacturers are doing Peron or Pumaspeed for example, then you realise the mountune is a very mild upgrade. This Ecoboost motor can handle over 350bhp on stock internals, proves how great this engine is!
does anyone else have a problem with renault not giving us a proper manual gearbox or is it just me ?
Karts are RWD, no suspensions, no differential, single break disk on the rear axle and very short wheelbase and they're completely awesome to drive!
Still automatic?
still waiting for the chris harris @IAA.....
Still waiting for the fiesta Rs
well, that never happened
Really? That sound fantastic! Where have you heard about that?
Depends on the person.
Like me I'm having more fun when I'm at the edge of the limit the car can have. For some others it's enough when the tires start to spueesh.