I love how the Grand Inquisitor says “I will not let your incompetence let him escape” and then immediately she stabs him and lets her incompetence allow Obi Wan to escape. You can’t make this up.
Doesn't really bother me. Not only is his "death" almost certainly a fake-out, but I guarantee her general demeanor is gonna get her seriously maimed or killed at some point (especially since she's very clearly not around later when the Grand Inquisitor clearly is).
People who actually care about the franchise don’t give a hoot about diversity. If you write good characters, regardless of background, the audience will like them. If your “likable trait” is skin color, doesn’t that say more about the writers’ racial motivations than the audiences’? It’s a pity because this show, I think, has all the right “parts,” and none of the execution. I just wanted Obi-wan Seven Samurais some Sand People. None of this other stuff.
Yes. One way of looking at the diversity argument is not just that there've been black actors in Star Wars sense the original trilogy, but we've actually seen diversity sense the first film. The main cast includes two robots that are very different from each other, someone of an alien race (Chewy), and four humans who's personalities and roles are all different... And one of them is a woman of power. Soooooo diversity in Star Wars is long overdue??
They do all this because the producers, writers and in particular the financial backers are vehemently anti-white. All of their motivation when it comes to contribute to the cultural zeitgeist is to disenfranchise and demonise the contributions, history, state building and every day living of the whites just out of sheer pettiness.
The book you are likely referring to took just about the *only* logucal approach to avoiding retcon: Obi-wan secretly protects Luke from afar. And that book worked
Neither Luke nor Leia should have been super involved in this show. Cameos for fan appeasement, fine, whatever. Making one of them a key character in the story is just ignoring your own lore. I don’t understand why Disney insists on digging themselves deeper and deeper into this hole of ignoring their own established lore.
It's what happens when the bean counters are in the driver's seat: they write spreadsheets, not stories. All they think of is what properties do we have available and which ones are the most valuable. Then they graft a story together from there like Doctor Frankenstein and push it out to a customer base that will tear it apart. If you really want to understand their thinking, I would suggest you read or listen to Bob Lutz’s _Car Guys vs. Bean Counters: The Battle for the Soul of American Business_ as it really goes into what drives these bad decisions.
Just ignore Mace Windu, Lando and Moth Giddeon. Not to mention expanded universe characters like Quinlan Vos and Cere Junda. This isn't even mentioning other ethnicities represented in Star Wars. The fandom doesn't have a racism problem, it has a Hollywood is more interested in diversity and representation then telling a good story problem. Disney will be the last people I let call out racism when they removed a black main character from Chinese posters and put a mask on black panther.
Obi Wan's mission is to keep Luke safe and then train him once he's old enough... so of course it makes all the sense that he would be burying his lightsabers, get out of shape and never train to defend himself or Luke. Lol.
he was scared that if he uses his powers the Sith would be able to detect him . he wanted to wait for Luke to grow up in order to give him a crush course
To be fair that was the plan but remember he saw all of his friends die and many people he called family die in mere seconds. This is an obi wan who is broken and doesn't believe in the way of a jedi anymore sure he wants to train Luke but even when he's older Ben is just an old guy that lives in the middle of no where for luke
The whole fake Jedi thing would be like if you pretended to be a former SS officer war criminal in the UK in 1955 smuggling nazis around, and everyone knows about it and doesn’t do anything.
Artistic nihilism is a great way to put it. I as a black man was repulsed by Reva. She has identical flaws as Kylo Ren except for now since she’s black, the writers have a ready made shield for criticism: “You’re racist if you don’t like her.” There is absolutely nothing more sickening, depraved and repulsive than using my skin color as defense for their incompetence, ineptitude, nihilism and disdain for merit.
I don't understand how more people don't realize the covert racism being displayed here. In lieu of writing a fantastic and original story with a character who is incidentally black, they have made her ethnicity a subtext plot device and are essentially using her as a prop for the conveyance of a social message. The plot is predictable. As the over-the-top villain, she will experience a character reversal resulting in her redemption, and ipso facto become the hero of the story. The anger so many fans have is not that a black woman is being elevated, but that through classic bait-and-switch, they have taken what the fans wanted and expected and completely inverted it. They are given the story they didn't want, and are told they better like it whether they actually do or not. It's like being force-fed a can of smashed assholes and being told you're a jerk for not wanting seconds.
lol every character in the show is just as bad as the others but im only hearing complaints about reva. i find it especially funny that you are more sickened by the producers using racism as a defense than you are actual racism or creative incompetence. lord knows you dont kno what to do about either of those issues. The shows bad we've already come to that conclusion. Every time we receive shitty star wars content the actors take a lashing for a portrayal that wasn't entirely their responsibility. Im asking the cynics of star wars community directly... what is your solution to the harassment problem? because all im hearing is this "racism doesn't exist and shouldn't be taken seriously" propaganda.
@@JusDion Propaganda? Lol. No one can stop a-holes from going online to talk shit to actors and actresses. Either spend time online blocking and responding or don’t have a social media account. Racism will always exist as long as people come in different shades. 99% of the people I’ve met in my entire life aren’t racist, and if they were then their internal racist thoughts have had no impact on my life. The so called “racist” messages the actress Moses received was laughable. Only one of those messages could even be considered to be in the ball park of “racist”. The others were run of mill stupid messages by idiots online that literally everyone has received in their life time. As long as humans are humans theirs absolutely nothing that can be done about that but block’em and keep it moving. The real propaganda is the race baiting and constant demonizing of entire groups of people because a few idiots can’t control themselves.
it just feels intentional at this point. i just can't believe they can consistently drop the ball like this over and over and over again while sitting a top literally millions of dollars to hire any number of talented, competent writers. ppl will eat up the slop regardless tho so why bother
I think the problem here is that, under Kathleen Kennedy, Lucasfilm has become extremely ideological in its company culture. And as a result, they only hire people who share in the ideological extremism and are loyal 'yes' men. This explains why they pass up real writing talent - they dont give a shit about talent. They want yes men that worship the company culture. As a result, shit like this happens, and we're all left wondering why these writers suck so bad. Its all an extension of the company culture that is Kathleen Kennedy.
I was born in 81 and grew up with Star Wars as literally the earliest stories I knew. The Empire Strikes Back was complete sensory overload and the most completely engrossing tale I knew in my young life. It's so good, even nearly 4 decades later, it still grabs my whole attention and sucks me into that world. When I was a kid, I wanted so bad for the story to be real. I used to lay awake at night as a 6, 7, or 8 year old boy creating elaborate Star Wars fantasies in my mind until I fell asleep. Retconning the original trilogy is completely unforgivable. They may own Star Wars, but the story doesn't belong to them. It belongs to the people in whose minds it has taken shape. They can do whatever they like with the new trash they make, but retconning the original story is completely unforgivable. It is creative and cultural vandalism. They are literally stealing a mythology from us. The people doing this and writing this garbage aren't even Star Wars fans. They change the story at will because they never knew it to begin with. It means nothing to them. Even worse, they're doing it to make a social and political point. It's sickening.
@@famousrapper8561 Vader said to Kenobi on the Death Star: "Our long awaited meeting has come at last. The circle is now complete. When I left you, I was but a learner. Now I am the master." A circle begins and ends in the same place. The end of a circle is exactly the same as its beginning. It began with the first fight, and ended with the second and final one. They hadn't seen one another since their battle on Mustafar 19 years earlier.
I was also born in 81 - i've started with Star Trek TMP, and than Empire Strikes Back. I must say that both totally different world's and both made me in some regards the Man i am now. One ignited my love for fantasy and the other for hardcore sci-fi, philosophy books and life long interest in army, mainly naval history. They both also made me to start self-learning english - in times of communism. I think that modern sequels to those seried would fail to ignite any spark in me and had zero impact on my life.
The entire plot of young Leia watching spaceships land and take of, her best friend being a droid, and then her getting cought by the bad guys is an almost exact rehash of the plot in that one episode of the Bad Batch in which a twi’lek girl is getting caught by the bad guys. She was also the daughter of two of the leaders of her planet, she was also constantly running off and spying on ships, she was also having a droid best friend, and she was also caught/kidnapped by people working for the Empire.
Fun thing about Fifth Brother aka Wok Guy, in the animated series he had a hispanic accent and didn't look asian at all. Meaning Disney intentionally cast an Asian guy to play the man with the stereotypical asian hat. And they call us racist.
Glad I'm not the only one who noticed that. And they foolishly skimed over Jason Isaacs for an actor who never even watched Rebels, to play the Grand Inquistor
"We don't demand perfection....We demand a basic level of competence" ...That is one of the most salient statements I have heard concerning how awful Disney as handled the SW franchise. Sadly...they have failed so many times to deliver even a modicum of competence...many of the fans (myself included) are at the point where we have had enough. There is only so long you can piss down someone's back and tell them its raining...Disney seem to have missed that memo. The Obi Wan show is a new high in low for SW and that says a LOT considering how abysmal some of their other failures have been. Keep up the great content...cheers
His comment had nothing to do with politics. He simply said that the quality of Star Wars content has dropped since Disney took over, which it objectively has. You're the one who brought up politics out of the blue and mystifyingly told him to go watch Ben Shapiro, which is not something someone looking for quality content would do. Looking at your profile, you're subscribed to tons of pandering ideologues. Could it be that *you're* the type the fanbase needs less of?
@@_the_interloper Everything is about politics today, unfortunately. You can't criticize anything some like without them charging you with being evil or wore. That is sad, since it has degraded our culture. The end will likely not be pretty, whatever your core beliefs are.
@@_the_interloper if you are saying this has nothing to do with politics, why use “woke?” That term is a political talking point used to attack progressives. If your critique sounds like Tucker Carlson said it on Fox? Yeah it’s political.
@@_the_interloper as to if the fandom needs less of folks like me. Well since the content has always been about a leftist revolution to take down a fascist empire I’m going to go out on a limb and say nope.
It’s funny how Obi Wan is staying to “protect Luke” but when we see him in the beginning of the series he’s much weaker and has even given up on being a Jedi and struggles to use to force. How was he expecting to “protect” or “train” luke exactly? That’s like a martial artist who doesn’t know the techniques teaching a class on said martial art.
Why do they keep saying ‘people of color’ when they really mean ‘black people’? It's almost never used if the person isn't black instead of any other race.
I'm usually not the Anti-SJW type, but shit, it's really infuriating to see Disney be like "See? Our Space-Nazis are progressive now, they have black people!" in the same vain as them using easily cuttable token lesbian scenes. But their misunderstanding of politics falls totally in line with their misunderstanding of how to create a story: both are entirely superficially market oriented. To explain what I mean by that, if Disney would make food, they make shit like a chocolate-steak-spaghetti-tofu-cesar-salad-pizza because all those ingredients sell well separately.
People are afraid of talking about Reva because they're scared of being called racist. But here's the deal. Riva would have been hated whether she was white, black, Asian, Latino, green. People wanted to see Obi Wan, not some contrived female character dominating the show. Just admit it, she was the worst part of the series, but her color had ZERO to do with it.
It would be more consistent for the Empire to be racist. It acts as another reason for them to be the antagonists. On top of: murdering all Jedi (basically genocide), constructing a base to destroy planets (twice), destroying several planets, and being led by a "SITH LORD?!"
@@oscarwillimott9296 They're more xenophobic than racist (i.e. they distrust, disregard and subjugate non-humans). The Kuat Drive Yards big-wigs were black and they enjoyed great favor with the Republic and the Empire. I don't really care about the skin color of the Imperials, or the Rebels, or anyone else. It doesn't matter to good story telling.
@@oscarwillimott9296 And why would they be racist against other humans? The Empire was xenophobic against non-humans because most of the upper leadership and officers came from the human-dominated Core Worlds.
It’s crazy how cheap the show looks. My girlfriend and I watched the second episode then right after started Stranger Things 4. I was blown away how much better ST looks compared to Obi-Wan. The cinematography is miles ahead of any Disney+ show I’ve seen thus far.
you cannot compare the two shows. Stranger Things is a modern classic and will go down in history as one of the best TV shows ever produced in the early 2010 era or even of all time. Obi-Wan is dog's piss. It's a corny lame power ranger-esque show that is worse than getting diarrhea dumped in your eyes. I rather eat a rotten skunk's asshole than ever watch another episode of it and that's just after ep 3
I did the same with Moon Knight. Watched the first episode after the Obi-wan series and the story, action, special effects, filming, and acting made the Obi-wan series look like a highschool theater film project.
The scenes with Kenobi brooding stoically in the desert cave was a very meta moment for me as a SW fan. In that moment, I felt like I was Obi Wan, that being a fan forced into exile in my own fandom that's been hijacked by idealouges and charlatans that can only make derivations of other derivations of something mostly forgotten. My love for star wars has deeply faded and now I sit and reflect with others about the glory days long past and how we failed to properly gate-keep our hobby. Those scenes in the first episode were almost surreal to me, especially juxtaposed against the prequel roll at the start of the episode. Ewan was fantastic as we knew he would be. And then the moment in ruined by the mouse's yass queen antics and a revered jedi master being emasculated by a 10 year old. It's all so tiresome. Great video btw. Subbed.
@@jennybeard6341 It is not necessarily about any political alignment - one can be on the Right or the Left (or care not a whit about politics either way) and still be annoyed by the simple failure of storytelling technique on display in Disney Star Wars. The failures of continuity, world building, characterisation, and plot structure are plain for all to see, and the fact that so many of them are entirely unforced mistakes that are subsequently covered up by a craven attempt at the collective character assassination of the entire fan base as being some sort of inherently bigoted far Right extremists - claims entirely a variance with the reality on the ground - only compounds the issue. When a supposed artist (if you can grace the Disney franchise vandals with such a grandiose term) is so utterly self obsessed, so mired in prating self righteousness, that it is literally impossible in their mind that they could make any mistake or that their output could harbour any flaws, and would rather believe that an entire fandom (numbered in the tens of millions world wide at a conservative estimate don't forget) exists as some sort of bigoted hive mind, then that refusal to deal with any criticism (or engage with inconvenient reality at all) can't help but impact on the quality of their... lets be generous and call it 'art'. Of course, that is the more generous interpretation. The alternative is that they know they are producing substandard entertainment and simply don't care. Lacking artistic integrity (or any form of integrity), they are quite prepared to peddle what they know full well to be a false narrative about the fandom for no higher or more noble reason than to protect Disney share values from any and all criticism by painting anyone who dares suggest the House of Mouse is anything less than down right divine as some sort of jackbooted thug. If you doubt that Disney and its employees are capable of such unethical behaviour, I would point out that this is the same corporation that is on public record as having thanked the Chinese authorities for allowing it to film the live action Mulan remake in the same province that houses concentration camps for the Uighur ethnic and religious minority, where gross human rights abuses in the pursuit of so called 're-education' (more accurately termed cultural genocide) have repeatedly occurred. So much for Disney's claims of moral superiority. That is something any person of principle - whether on the Left, the Right, or politically unaligned - can and should find objectionable.
@@jennybeard6341 why are you even here? are you just going around to every video critiquing this show and shitposting? do us all a favor and leave: we're sick and tired of people like you inserting your politics into movies and tv shows.
No excuse for getting Leia / Kenobi relationship all wrong . You are correctly pointing out all the stupid, disrespectful crap Disney continues to do. And they did wedge in the racialization with the Grand Inquisitor. They absolutely want to destroy the franchise and I simply can’t understand why.
I don't think they really want to destroy the franchise. I think they have a very specific agenda to push and are completely indifferent to what happens to any franchise they use to push it.
They’re Neo Maoists-they are deliberately destroying your culture so they can create something akin to the former Soviet Union. Why? They are just pure evil-all of them.
They genuinely believe they are making the franchise better by forcing us to swallow "Disney Star Wars". That's why KK reviles George Lucas, threw his 7-9 scripts out, and is diametrically opposed to everything that came before. It's akin to political parties railroading each other because they're doing what's good for the party, which is not necessarily what's good for the nation.
Beautifully written, I sometimes forget that not everybody was a ten year old when the first movie dropped in 1977 and a whole new cinematic era started.....good times...cheers.
I was only 9. I usually fell asleep in the back of the Panel Van for the second movie at the Drive in - but I remember Star Wars like yesterday. Obi Wan is complete rubbish and such a disappointment by comparison. Since when did Obi Wan become a pathetic loser forgetting how to fight so much that he looked like a pathetic imbecile. Since when did he forget all his training, how to use the force and need the help of a girl to save him as well as Darth Vader forgetting he could use the force to lift him up over the fire and then strangle his throat like he had evilly done to a number people in the town a few minutes prior. WTF Disney are you doing. Why are you destroying the virtuous and good while idolising the evil? I don't get it.
I’m glad you brought up that chase scene, I was so pissed that the dude actually acted like a branch was stoping him. And the way they ran, OH GOD, it was so dumb.
I don't think he was flashing his lightsaber on purpose. He was just putting up his space wallet, and this is just how incompetent the character has been written.
Kenobi was the make or break for many of us Star Wars fans. I went into the show skeptical and knew it would be bad. But as soon as Obi-Wan Kenobi (astute Jedi Master) kneed Flea (of the Red Hot Chili Peppers) in the nuts I had to shut it off. I was laughing so hard I couldn't breathe. Oh how I wish I was recording a reaction video. I've been a Star Wars fan for 45 years. It ended on the one of the greatest laughs I've ever experienced. So, I had a good run. I'll never be able to watch any Star Wars ever again.
Regrettably I agree. As someone fortunate enough to remember standing in line at my local cinema more than once in 1977 as a 9 year old I've been a lifelong Star Wars fan... no longer. Expecting a basic level of competence and a little care from Disney is barely anything to ask, and certainly doesn't make me a racist. SOBs!
@@charlesjmouse Even sadder is that occasionally, we DO see some actual quality coming from Disney. They DO have some talented writers. Yet somehow they're not on the big screen projects. Most recently, Andor was really well done. Or the Mandalorian before it. Rogue One. The animated series of Clone Wars and Bad Batch, Rebels to a lesser extend.
This video is perfect! I too grew up with my dad introducing me to Star Wars at a young age, especially as the prequels were coming out. I really wanted to enjoy the show, I put my hatred for the sequels and Disney aside, especially after seeing the press releases with Ewan and Hayden involved. Reva being able to know about Vader’s true identity is a slap in the face for any Star Wars fan, and Leia being wiser than a 50+ year old Jedi master makes me want to jump head first into the Sarlacc Pit! But don’t worry guys, at least we get diverse characters instead of well written likeable ones!
Does nobody notice that the existence of the inquisitors contradicts the fact that the Empire (except secretly the emperor ) does not believe in the Force.? Tarkin made this pretty clear and all the other generals and admirals on board the death star had no respect for the Force and any supernatural things. How would they maintain an institution of Force-sensitive operatives? The thought is absurd.
Tarkin has no respect for the Jedi, due to their inability to go far enough to claim victory as a result of the code. He knows that Anakin is Vader, and while he openly disrespected the Grand Inquisitor in Rebels, the answer to your question is fear. Disobeying the Inquisitors (or at least the Grand Inquisitor) is like disobeying an order from Vader, and thus the Emperor himself. The entire foundation of the Empire is based on fear. Imagine being an admiral in the Empire, and you interfere with the Grand Inquisitor's mission, or God forbid Vader's, because you despise and don't respect any Force users. Suddenly you have an Imperial shuttle boarding your star destroyer, and within 5 minutes there's a lightsaber in your gut, or you're being choked to death or your neck is being snapped. I don't recall very well, but I'm pretty sure Vader force-choked an admiral on the Death Star for insulting the force and all who wield it. That is why the Inquisitors were respected. In fact, the Inquisitors were created to keep that fear fresh. All the Jedi feared them. The civilians feared them. Lower officers feared them.
@@silverstargaming20 Tarkin yes, but the other Admirals also didn't seen to know what the Force was and most of them acted like it was either something old and useless or just fairtytales.
@@SammEater Well, the reason being is that this was before George Lucas envisioned inquisitors. At the time there was just Vader and Palpatine. Most Imperial officers in the OT should have known about Jedi. After all, just 20 years before, the galaxy was full of them. However, again, Lucas didn't think about the Prequels, or really anything about the clone wars except that they existed. Obi-Wan was supposed to be this wise old hermit, yet a veteran of the Clone Wars. The only mention of it is in that one scene, and it was initially implied to have happened like 30-40 years ago. Well, it was half that. Again, the main elements of the OT can always be used seamlessly, but the finer details are often confusing, especially after seeing the Clone Wars, knowing they ended 19 years before the Battle of Yavin, knowing Tarkin knew the Jedi and knew Anakin became Vader. Everyone is confused as to why Kenobi is so old in the OT films, until they remember that Star Wars had JUST begun then. George Lucas didn't have anything besides the OT planned out. Star Wars was supposed to just be one movie initially. But now we have an expanded universe, through which other things that weren't explained in the OT are given an explanation.
In a galaxy of 1000's of planets and now only a handful of force users, it would probably be pretty easy for a number of imperial officers to have never seen an inquisitor or an emperor's hand for that matter. Heck, during the height of the Republic with 1000's of jedi knights, it was almost unheard of to see one on the outer rim. Even though they should be known, it is quite possible for many to go their entire lives and never see one.
Long story short: Congrats you guys made me look up freaking rebels release date. So apperantly the Inquisitors are not a thing George Lucas made. There used to be a EU book in like 1989 that described them and some other stuff in the 90s but under Lucas they never saw an entry into star wars official stuff. The first time an inquisitor appeared was indeed star wars rebels. In the back of my mind I thought rebels was entirely a disney production and the reason why they canceled the clone wars (which is far supperior to rebels and I still say that canceling the clone wars was disneys first, almost worst and most stupid mistake when they took over star wars but thats besides the point) was because they wanted to push rebels instead. One duckduckgo search later and I know I was right. The inquisitors are entirely a disney BS thing and that's why you have to jump through several mental hoops and have at least one brain injury to make them make sense in the original trilogy. Though ngl, @JoshuaBonesteel that explaination I honestly would except if it was canon cause at least that doesn't require the brain injury.
I can’t put a cap on my thoughts of obi-wan until it’s finished, but it should have just been a movie with full production. Disney are so incompetent. The success of Mandalorian had nothing to do with it being a series. The failure of Solo had nothing to do with it being a movie.
Lando destroys their argument, he was a late addition to the cast and still was so outstanding and vibrant as a character and never once mentioned his color.
I'm certain there were, just from my own upbringing with racist parents. However, social media makes it easier to air any complaints, racist or otherwise, even directly those involved with said show.
Those who love and respect the Star Wars franchise should now understand the feelings of those who love and respect The Wheel of Time book series. Amazon have done to that, what Disney have done to this. Two of the biggest players are turning out utter dross, while expecting us to meekly sit back and accept it. As for the accusations of racism and genderism...what a cheap, and oh so tedious way to respond to the backlash. Disney and Amazon both use that tired old trope.
Oh, I always understood. Star Wars fans have put up with it since at least 2017, Lord of the Rings fans are next. (So they’ve got me twice!) If there’s one good thing to have come from that Wheel of Time farce - which I thought was terrible, despite knowing nothing about the source material - it’s that it’s exposed a lot of people to a passionate fandom that’s rightly up in arms about its treatment at the hands of studios, and so prompted them to go back to the books to see what all the fuss is about. They’re now near the top of my reading list.
@@grahamsmith2753 Happily I’m a fast reader! And I love good fantasy. I’d recommend Lynn Flewelling’s Nightrunner series as an example of how to do good stories with “diverse” characters without giving in to modern, shallow conceptions of what that should look like. A bit derivative at the beginning but quickly finds its feet.
To see so many IPs attacked and ruined so quickly, it is not a mistake, it is on purpose (Halo, Wheel of Time, Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, even the end of GOT). Honestly, creative genius has been stifled by the "delayed adolescence" of our modern culture. To write something that is meaningful, a writer requires the ability to abstractly recognize the story in its full context. Honestly, I think you made a great point, that there are many fans who would make better writers. However, it's not like unbelievable authors haven't been involved in the Star Wars world! Nobody could find a writer like Terry Brooks, Dave Wolferton, R.A. Salvatore, etc? Maybe not to write the scripts, but at least manage the damn story boards. This is not accidental, IMHO, it is purposeful.
@@jennybeard6341 it's been a long time but I remember enjoy the Drizzt Do'Urden saga a lot. What's wrong with Salvatore? Btw, no, he did not say RA is a great writer. He said he could keep things coherent, unlike the ones writing SW.
vandalism is exactly what it is. they hate the source material, the culture that made it, and the people who like it. they took it from you, and now they're rubbing that fact in your face with these struggle sessions thinly veiled as 'entertainment'.
@@antonhallergren588 I know! When I saw that this series was being made and that Ewan himself was one of the producers I thought that just maybe it would turn out okay. There were several other producers and of course it's still disney so maybe he didn't have that much control over it after all.
@@antonhallergren588 almost all shows now have the lead actor as the “executive producer” and tbh I doubt they really do much when it comes to the writing
"...when we remember the value of stories and how to tell them well." From the bottom of my heart, thank you for saying this. That is exactly, 100%, spot-on correct. Nothing pains me more than the sloppy writing mistakes. I'm not even talking about the big stuff. I'm talking about characters making irrational, implausible or out-of-character choices merely to shoehorn in predetermined plot points. Do these writers not revise? Do executives and producers and directors not read the scripts? Viewers -- not just long-time fans but ALL VIEWERS -- deserve a better product from a company like Disney.
Definitely. I think a lot of this gets lost in the heat of battle when it comes to much-loved IPs like Star Wars and Star Trek. People on both sides - understandably - spend the vast majority of their time arguing points like canon and politics, which are undeniably important. But at least as bad, albeit in subtler ways, is the foundational stuff - writing, motivations, incentives, logical progression, reliance on luck an led stupidity to make progress, character consistency, etc., ad nauseam. I think that goes a long way toward explaining why, as all these beloved stories are being torn down, nothing new is arising to replace them. It’s not just that we can’t write Star Wars, it’s that we seem to be incapable of writing anything.
@@TheLittlePlatoon Same here. I’m reluctant to jump on the hate bandwagon when it's not warranted but seeing how many plotholes they're making in the first two episodes really makes me wretch after hearing and then seeing them for myself. You're a nice breath of fresh air in the sea of star wars hate channels and subbed. Favorited. And I'm going to mention this video to anyone who I think might be interested.
The writers just don't seem to understand in these "prequel" series that the writing has to be incredibly tight yet inventive, especially when we already know the outcome of certain characters archs. They have to be extremely careful with Canon discrepancies but still leave room for expanding characterization. Disney, as it pertains specifically to star wars, has been INCREDIBLY bad at both things but I guess Diversity and Dinosaurs are more important than storytelling.
I’m just here to watch this channel grow. Man you have the right tone and analysis. I found the channel two days ago and I’ve almost done half the videos listed
Honestly I didn’t really mind the first 2 episodes much. I’m just assuming for the stories convenience that Leia is magically gonna be to stupid to figure out Obi wan and Ben the Jedi are the same person even though she isn’t that stupid. My biggest issue is how Reva knows Anakin is Vader when he’s known to just fuck people up and murder them when they know unless the Emperor says otherwise like with Thrawn and Tarkin. Like she’s not important enough for anyone to care especially when the inquisitors don’t like her ass. I genuinely find it hard to believe she even managed to get this far because she is the shittiest “soldier” ever.
@@ariesroc He only knows Yoda and Obi Wan are alive, and he knows Obi Wan has been successful in protecting Luke, so it makes sense Organa goes to Obi Wan.
@@Henry-iz7iv I think their point is that Leia has no way of knowing Ben is Obi-Wan Kenobi, Bail could secretly know of a whole handful of surviving Jedi for all Leia knows. I would be shocked if she's ever even heard the name Obi-Wan yet at her age.
@@Henry-iz7iv It has been well established that Senator Bale Organa knows Ashoka Tano who is once a Jedi because she is working with him organizing a rebellion against the Empire. She would be a much better choice to rescue Leia than Obi wan since she kept in touch with Bale and constantly hopping across the galaxy coordinating with various rebellion groups.
See, I had an issue with this till episode 3. In the third episode, Reva lies to Vader about who killed the Grand Inquisitor and after he fights Kenobi, I'm sure he'll put 2 and 2 together since Kenobi can't fight and just runs. Secondly, I don't think he knows that she knows he is Anakin. As per the comics, Vader kills anybody with that knowledge, and I'm sure if he finds out that she knows, he'll cut her down. That's my hope anyways.
I find it funny when people gave rogue one such a hard time and labeled it "not star wars" when it's the closest thing to the source material we've had in movies since the prequels. Disney sucks omg 🤦♂️
That's because most of those who call themselves ‘Star Wars Fans’ haven't watched the OT or even the PT and are more fans of the brand or fans of the memes of star wars.
@@Lobsterwithinternet Or because Rogue One, its tone aside, was a boring series of fetch quests by a gang of mindnumbingly dull characters fighting off a CGI monster. So it was kind of prequel'ish at least, but not in the good way
Once you stop to think about it, is kinda stupid that Obi Wan doesn't know how to comunicate with the Force anymore and dont even know how to fight...and still keep repeating that his duty is to protect the boy...so if he barely can handle himself with some unarmed and armed goons..how would he protect Luke against Vader or Inquisitors? Expected him to increase his mental strength by training and meditation in his loneliness in the desert.
I'm actually surprised that you haven't mentioned how Bail’s reasoning for rescuing Leia doesn't make any sense and puts them all in danger of getting caught. I mean, isn't this whole thing something Reva is doing without authorization? That means she’s gone rogue and kidnapped a senator’s daughter. That's enough to get the Empire to start hunting her down like a dog.
A different tangent, but on the subject of Bail's terrible writing... Not to mention Bail claiming that Leia was Obi-Wan's responsibility too, when in Revenge of the Sith (which they were oh so happy to remind us of), when deciding what to do with the kids, Bail jumped at the chance to take Leia under his protection, and that was the end of that conversation. Either they forgot that point, or Bail's a pathetic flake who will deflect responsibility to Obi-Wan at the first sign of trouble, despite having so many resources at his disposal...
@@insulttothehumanrace3807 Quite. Here’s something to chew on that somebody else pointed out to me: This show is set one year after Solo: A Star Wars Story. Just let that sink in.
In 1995 when my son was 2 1/2, I would put Empire Strikes Back VHS into VCR. Leave out snacks & juice. He'd turn TV on, push the tape in & watch before I got up.
That is, unironically, top parenting. I’m pretty sure my dad did something similar. Star Wars, Jurassic Park, Attenborough documentaries and re-runs of The Simpsons and Robot Wars.
@@TheLittlePlatoon Thanks, I brought him up with the classics. The boy liked his Star Wars, plus West Side Story & other great films. I let him play Duke Nukem 3D when he was 3 on PC. Here he is doing quotes from Duke Nukem. You can see the TV behind close to the floor so he could use it. ua-cam.com/video/vYnai8TYH7s/v-deo.html
corrrect me if i am wrong, the act of kidnaping a daughter of an imperial senator should be treason? because if i recall the empire gives its value to ranks and if she is kidnaping a daughter of an imperial senator without proof of treason on the part of the organa family wouldn't the inquisitor be the traitor then?, for disturbing the internal stability of the empire?
If she's doing so without direct orders from Vader or the Emperor allowing her to, yeah. That and the Emperor still wants to give the illusion of democratic society until he dissolved the imperial senate and put the regional governors into power at the beginning of ANH so having a rogue force-sensitive running around kidnapping the daughter of a senator would be something he couldn't ignore. So he would track the inquisitor down, kill them, save the girl, and then turn around and claim it was a rogue Jedi terrorist who did it. That way he cuts a loose end while antagonizing the galaxy against the Jedi further.
@@Lobsterwithinternet this was the first detail that came to mind, when i heard the plot of this show and omg, how these people overlook these details, its almost like they are insulting our intelligence, you can only enjoy this show if you are casual or you have the ability to turn your brain off
I am actually of the opinion that Vader will be cutting Reva down by the end of the season. She's done things completely contradictory to her duties and the rule of the Empire.
I'm begining to believe we need a new law against willful destruction of cultural entities both physical and intellectual. Disney should be in jail... okay rather Disney should be heavily fined that money returned to the people of America, then Star Wars should be returned to the living creator. In other views if I could legally raise Disney down and pull out the carcass of starwars from its destroyed rumbled clutches I would only to bury it so it could rest in peace.
At the same time, Disney is complaining that Mickey Mouse and other characters shouldn't become public domain. Ironic, isn't it? I guess Disney doesn't want anybody FUCKING WITH THEIR CHARACTERS!
I've read a lot of people saying that SW fans are toxic and they shouldnt even try to please them, since they hate on everything. Like bruh, it is too much to ask for something fun and enjoyable, like you know... the originals?
I’ve watched numerous Kenobi reviews on you tube. Both negative and positive ones. By far, yours is the most in-depth, thought-provoking and analytical of them all. The writers’ apparent willful ignorance of the well-established Star Wars lore is beyond maddening. Keep making these quality reviews.
Many thanks! In an ideal world I’d not *have* to make them, because the shows would be good. These videos are my own small attempt to put myself out of a job.
This was cathartic to listen to. Very well articulated. One thing that people haven't touched on is how easy it is for the Organas to get in touch with Obi-Wan now. They apparently have a direct line to reach him exactly where he is, all the way from Alderaan. And then later we see Bail teleport directly to Obi-Wan's random cave, just like that. It's just that easy for anyone to track him. If this was the case in Episode 4, why bother sending Leia on a risky mission to recruit him without his knowledge? Why wasn't Bail just like "bro, get ready, sending my daughter to pick you up"? They're just breaking shit left and right.
Bail knows where Obi-Wan is. He is in on all the secrets. That he could contact him is not some shocker. It is that much to think that for some reason it was later decided that only personal contact was decided to be used rather than transmission? This is like complaining how did Vader know about Luke in Empire? Obviously events happen between movies. Of any number of things to focus on that is not one of them.
@@ariesroc Yes, if you’re sending a military escort that puts VIPs and your own daughter at risk, you would logically contact the person you’re picking up ahead of time to notify him if you had those means.
@@FDLink It's not a military escort but a diplomatic one. We don't know if they had the means to contact Obi-Wan anymore. They might have decided that only personal contact at the greatest time of crisis was the way to go. No one was looking for Leia in this show while the entire galaxy was in ANH because she had the plans. Of all the things to talk about I find this minor at best.
You know, I was expecting a Kenobi story inspired by "Death Rides a Horse" and "13 Assassins" in which after several years of hiding, Obi-Wan learns of an opportunity to kill Palpatine and avenge the fallen Jedi. But is this case he will ultimately fail, learning that he too is vulnerable to the destruction of fear and anger. Obi-Wan hits rock bottom and quietly returns to hiding. Luke, Leia and possibly Vader have no knowledge of this gambit, preserving both the original story and the fearful dominance that the Empire imposed. Then again, this is Disney and the glory days of MGM are long past.
YES! A story about Obiwan trying to make up for mistakes that he blames himself for making (regardless of how at fault he is really) only to realize that he risks falling to the dark like Anikan did is PERFECT. It could serve to grow him as a character, and show how unlike Ani he could overcome the hate and anger inside himself.
The feeling when the criticism of art is a greater work of art than the critiqued art itself. Excellent music cue to end it on as well, well done. Sadly, you're absolutely right. It's a dark time for Star Wars fans.
I really don’t think the acting was the issue in the prequels. It’s impossible to give a perfect performance when the lines you are being given are horrible.
Bad writing and directing absolutely contributed, but some actors were also just bad. I.e. Jake Lloyd. That’s obviously not Jake’s fault, it’s Lucas’s for casting him, but still.
It is truly sad what star wars has come to.. I remember when Star Wars 7 was announced and I lost my freaking mind. There was nothing more exciting to me than star wars episode 7. Star Wars 7 was an open canvas to create any story you could possibly imagine, and I was beyond thrilled by that idea. I simply can’t fathom how things turned out the way they did with star wars. How can you take such an inspiring story with infinite possibilities and turn it into such a convoluted, underwhelming, inconsistent mess? My inner child is not just crying, he’s depressed.
It kinda says something about Disney when respawn entertainment created a better story in a shorter amount of time. Trilla>reva I will give the show the benefit of the doubt until the show ends though as I don't believe it's fair to judge a show until it's complete. But I know that its gonna probably be bad because it's Disney that wrote it. I've never really been a big fan Deborah chow and honestly I have no idea how she got her job given that she went from nothing to directing multiple stories in star wars.
The moment I see anyone connected to a piece of entertainment gargle on about diversity ,inclusion or POC representation it´s automatically a hard pass for me. It shows where the interests of the driving forces behind it´s creation lies and the writing and action (if there is action) is always garbage. times where different back then but I have not seen promo materials featuring wesley snipes or sigourney weaver prattling on about being black/woman as the major selling points of their respective franchises. But apparently at some point I´ve slipped into a different dimension because according to these new diversity hire actors there was never a woman or black person present in a movie or show made before the "outbreak" so the movies I remember from my childhood can´t exist because I remember tons of black people.
I've been critical of chase scenes in movies for my entire life, always screaming at the screen (either inwardly at the theatre or, at the consternation of my wife, outwardly at home) at some sort of ridiculous chase. But when the Leia chase scene finished, I just turned the show off. I couldn't even get mad due to how absurd it was.
I said that when I watched the first series, that the show will not be for Kenobi but for Riva .. Typically for Disney, we are once again pushed by a woman leading character, gender politics. 1. Leading characters - a woman 2. Leading characters - colored 3. Killing the iconic hero Kenobi. KK tried again his policy that "The Force is a woman". I'm a woman too, but that's idiotic. When will she be fired? Everything he touches turns into garbage. He ruined Luke, he ruined Han Solo, he ruined Leia. Now he's killing Kenobi. How long will we tolerate this? Boycott this Disney stupidity until K.K. is fired. No one will fire her if we continue to be patient and pay to watch another stupidity. We can save Star Wars if we are united and make those in power fire K.K.
Making the rounds now since i agreed with a good portion of the 5th ep summary. Jus wanna say for a channel i jus found and low subs, good stuff/production so far, critical spiffin brit. Never knew i needed it. Keep grinding.
perfectly said, nice to know others feel the same this show has been genuinely upsetting to watch so far, I am 22 years old and have grown up with Star Wars aswell. obi-wan has been such an iconic character for me and so many others an dits sad to see how Disney have handled this.
I could be wrong, but I do not recall seeing Leia anywhere in the trailer for the show, but they did show Luke. Yet Luke is in a whopping 2 episodes, while Leia is in 6.
Remember how they are obsessed with "subverting your expectations ". Blah, blah, storytelling, it's now about bait and switch style writing and seeing if they can outthink the audience. Sadly they usually can't and we get this series and others of its ilk.
Man this is exactly how I’ve been feeling. I hated this idea of race swap, and then using my skin color (black) as a defense coping mechanism for their terrible writing. I really hate studios like Disney for this abhorrent reason. What in the world have we come to? Why brother to begin with? I mean I understand they’re trying to make money but why not use other reasons to defend their poor product? Instead they focus on this counter defense using color and gender. They blame their audiences by labeling their opinions as racist and misogynistic behavior. Seriously this is nihilism at its core. I couldn’t agree more with your comment.
This show seems like a "Leia adventure" more than a Obi-Wan show that and the AWFUL music are my biggest complaints. At this point I think we all know what to expect from Disney's Star Wars.
So many things to be enraged about when it comes to the people who make this crap. One of the biggest ones, of course, is how the people who pat themselves on the back for opposing "vilification," vilify their critics.
I'm struck by the parallels in framing between the lone, watching Obi Wan at 23:26, and Luke in that same pose just before he winks out of existence. All roads lead to Jake.
maybe Leia didn't know that the Ben who saved her was Obiwan . I guess she never told her adoptive dad about the guy with Jedi powers named Ben who saved her
Nah, they simply retconned this mess and basically broke the continuity. Luke was his responsibility.... Damn say what you want about the 3 prequels and Rogue One.... Regardless of their story telling, they stayed as close as they could without breaking the continuity timeline. So far this show as basically destroyed it, as well as the last 3 "trilogy" movies
I didn't expect greatness, and didn't even watch it on my own. I was willing to accept that Obi Wan was broken after all he's been and therefore less optimistic, but I was not expecting a totally different person. The BIGGEST probably with episode one is that unlike the other shows, we have a very big reason to return to/ stay on Tatooine! They gave him a job, a community, and potential for conflict, and with that you can have an interesting episodic adventure with little conflicts everywhere, who needs the empire aside from maybe one Inquisitor!? The fact that he leaves Tatooine at all was silly, Leia was awful, and Obi Wan was a bit aggressive with this guy that was scamming poor people instead of being cheeky, calm, and smart about it. And we would likely be spared all this bullshit. I expected this much from Disney
Well put. Subbed! People raised mainly on IP fictions will only write copies of IP fiction which get poorer with each iteration. I don't want to write anyone off, but more real world living is necessary for the people involved in these creations. Also, I'm sure Disney suffers from a 'too many cooks' issue.
Leia runs like a toddler. Why did they cast such a small child? She is an extra small 8 year old playing a 10 year old character (the filming started in early 2021, she turns 10 on June 4th, 2022). Also you are correct, it is the Little Leia show. She billed before Ewan McGregor in the cast list on IMDB website.
I personally don't injoy rough language, but your videos are so well put together and your thoughts are expressed so compellingly it really doesn't bother me. Well done on this video.
I love how the Grand Inquisitor says “I will not let your incompetence let him escape” and then immediately she stabs him and lets her incompetence allow Obi Wan to escape. You can’t make this up.
"It's like poetry, it rhymes."
Doesn't really bother me. Not only is his "death" almost certainly a fake-out, but I guarantee her general demeanor is gonna get her seriously maimed or killed at some point (especially since she's very clearly not around later when the Grand Inquisitor clearly is).
Insert Homer Simpson...."Doh"
@@Tyler_W I think they just confirmed that he is infact dead. What an absolute shitshow and joke this whole thing is.
cause this never happens in action movies lol.
People who actually care about the franchise don’t give a hoot about diversity. If you write good characters, regardless of background, the audience will like them.
If your “likable trait” is skin color, doesn’t that say more about the writers’ racial motivations than the audiences’?
It’s a pity because this show, I think, has all the right “parts,” and none of the execution. I just wanted Obi-wan Seven Samurais some Sand People. None of this other stuff.
Yes. One way of looking at the diversity argument is not just that there've been black actors in Star Wars sense the original trilogy, but we've actually seen diversity sense the first film. The main cast includes two robots that are very different from each other, someone of an alien race (Chewy), and four humans who's personalities and roles are all different... And one of them is a woman of power. Soooooo diversity in Star Wars is long overdue??
Hollywood doesn't know this, or at least anymore as their minds are quite feeble
They do all this because the producers, writers and in particular the financial backers are vehemently anti-white. All of their motivation when it comes to contribute to the cultural zeitgeist is to disenfranchise and demonise the contributions, history, state building and every day living of the whites just out of sheer pettiness.
The book you are likely referring to took just about the *only* logucal approach to avoiding retcon: Obi-wan secretly protects Luke from afar. And that book worked
Neither Luke nor Leia should have been super involved in this show. Cameos for fan appeasement, fine, whatever. Making one of them a key character in the story is just ignoring your own lore. I don’t understand why Disney insists on digging themselves deeper and deeper into this hole of ignoring their own established lore.
It's what happens when the bean counters are in the driver's seat: they write spreadsheets, not stories.
All they think of is what properties do we have available and which ones are the most valuable. Then they graft a story together from there like Doctor Frankenstein and push it out to a customer base that will tear it apart.
If you really want to understand their thinking, I would suggest you read or listen to Bob Lutz’s _Car Guys vs. Bean Counters: The Battle for the Soul of American Business_ as it really goes into what drives these bad decisions.
A-freaking-men....I was thinking the same goddamn thing. And since when did Leia become more important than Luke? Star Wars basically is HIS Story
@@Arrowhead1972 She does seem to be a very important asset to the Rebellion.
The only thing to get Obi-Wan off Tatooine would be Leia.
@@MyZk089 Yes, when she's an actual adult. Not at whatever age they're trying to pass off. Never said she wasn't....but at this time period, no.
Just ignore Mace Windu, Lando and Moth Giddeon. Not to mention expanded universe characters like Quinlan Vos and Cere Junda. This isn't even mentioning other ethnicities represented in Star Wars. The fandom doesn't have a racism problem, it has a Hollywood is more interested in diversity and representation then telling a good story problem. Disney will be the last people I let call out racism when they removed a black main character from Chinese posters and put a mask on black panther.
Moth Gideon can't be used as an example as he most apparently is already part of this woke crap (same as Finn btw).
Don’t forget Captain Panaka.
Literally all the corporationy corporations kowtow in the Middle East and the big A
Obi Wan's mission is to keep Luke safe and then train him once he's old enough... so of course it makes all the sense that he would be burying his lightsabers, get out of shape and never train to defend himself or Luke. Lol.
I thought they had to start their training when they're little kids or else they'll be "evil"
he was scared that if he uses his powers the Sith would be able to detect him . he wanted to wait for Luke to grow up in order to give him a crush course
To be fair that was the plan but remember he saw all of his friends die and many people he called family die in mere seconds. This is an obi wan who is broken and doesn't believe in the way of a jedi anymore sure he wants to train Luke but even when he's older Ben is just an old guy that lives in the middle of no where for luke
I was thinking that too what a shit show.
He dont need to train he is the most powerful in the universe he beat ankin there's no need to train
The whole fake Jedi thing would be like if you pretended to be a former SS officer war criminal in the UK in 1955 smuggling nazis around, and everyone knows about it and doesn’t do anything.
Artistic nihilism is a great way to put it. I as a black man was repulsed by Reva. She has identical flaws as Kylo Ren except for now since she’s black, the writers have a ready made shield for criticism: “You’re racist if you don’t like her.” There is absolutely nothing more sickening, depraved and repulsive than using my skin color as defense for their incompetence, ineptitude, nihilism and disdain for merit.
I don't understand how more people don't realize the covert racism being displayed here. In lieu of writing a fantastic and original story with a character who is incidentally black, they have made her ethnicity a subtext plot device and are essentially using her as a prop for the conveyance of a social message. The plot is predictable. As the over-the-top villain, she will experience a character reversal resulting in her redemption, and ipso facto become the hero of the story. The anger so many fans have is not that a black woman is being elevated, but that through classic bait-and-switch, they have taken what the fans wanted and expected and completely inverted it. They are given the story they didn't want, and are told they better like it whether they actually do or not. It's like being force-fed a can of smashed assholes and being told you're a jerk for not wanting seconds.
Couldn’t agree more
lol every character in the show is just as bad as the others but im only hearing complaints about reva. i find it especially funny that you are more sickened by the producers using racism as a defense than you are actual racism or creative incompetence. lord knows you dont kno what to do about either of those issues.
The shows bad we've already come to that conclusion. Every time we receive shitty star wars content the actors take a lashing for a portrayal that wasn't entirely their responsibility. Im asking the cynics of star wars community directly... what is your solution to the harassment problem? because all im hearing is this "racism doesn't exist and shouldn't be taken seriously" propaganda.
@@JusDion Propaganda? Lol. No one can stop a-holes from going online to talk shit to actors and actresses.
Either spend time online blocking and responding or don’t have a social media account.
Racism will always exist as long as people come in different shades.
99% of the people I’ve met in my entire life aren’t racist, and if they were then their internal racist thoughts have had no impact on my life.
The so called “racist” messages the actress Moses received was laughable. Only one of those messages could even be considered to be in the ball park of “racist”. The others were run of mill stupid messages by idiots online that literally everyone has received in their life time.
As long as humans are humans theirs absolutely nothing that can be done about that but block’em and keep it moving.
The real propaganda is the race baiting and constant demonizing of entire groups of people because a few idiots can’t control themselves.
@@JusDion stop making stuff, the actors are paid well, have dream roles and are mostly fawned over. Must be so tough for them 🎻
it just feels intentional at this point. i just can't believe they can consistently drop the ball like this over and over and over again while sitting a top literally millions of dollars to hire any number of talented, competent writers. ppl will eat up the slop regardless tho so why bother
Well you did.
You guys needs to get rid of all of the marxist in your business entertainment first they're becoming more and more brazen
it’s Kathleen K(ennedy, determined to make this series all about a black wamen)
I think the problem here is that, under Kathleen Kennedy, Lucasfilm has become extremely ideological in its company culture. And as a result, they only hire people who share in the ideological extremism and are loyal 'yes' men. This explains why they pass up real writing talent - they dont give a shit about talent. They want yes men that worship the company culture. As a result, shit like this happens, and we're all left wondering why these writers suck so bad. Its all an extension of the company culture that is Kathleen Kennedy.
Go woke, go broke. It's amazing how out of everyone on Earth who loves Star Wars, Disney can't find anyone who knows how to write.
I was born in 81 and grew up with Star Wars as literally the earliest stories I knew. The Empire Strikes Back was complete sensory overload and the most completely engrossing tale I knew in my young life. It's so good, even nearly 4 decades later, it still grabs my whole attention and sucks me into that world. When I was a kid, I wanted so bad for the story to be real. I used to lay awake at night as a 6, 7, or 8 year old boy creating elaborate Star Wars fantasies in my mind until I fell asleep.
Retconning the original trilogy is completely unforgivable. They may own Star Wars, but the story doesn't belong to them. It belongs to the people in whose minds it has taken shape. They can do whatever they like with the new trash they make, but retconning the original story is completely unforgivable. It is creative and cultural vandalism. They are literally stealing a mythology from us. The people doing this and writing this garbage aren't even Star Wars fans. They change the story at will because they never knew it to begin with. It means nothing to them. Even worse, they're doing it to make a social and political point. It's sickening.
Well said!
It's true... :(
Although. I do think it makes sense for kenobi to meet vader again. It was just done horribly
@@famousrapper8561 Vader said to Kenobi on the Death Star:
"Our long awaited meeting has come at last. The circle is now complete. When I left you, I was but a learner. Now I am the master."
A circle begins and ends in the same place. The end of a circle is exactly the same as its beginning. It began with the first fight, and ended with the second and final one. They hadn't seen one another since their battle on Mustafar 19 years earlier.
I was also born in 81 - i've started with Star Trek TMP, and than Empire Strikes Back. I must say that both totally different world's and both made me in some regards the Man i am now. One ignited my love for fantasy and the other for hardcore sci-fi, philosophy books and life long interest in army, mainly naval history.
They both also made me to start self-learning english - in times of communism.
I think that modern sequels to those seried would fail to ignite any spark in me and had zero impact on my life.
The entire plot of young Leia watching spaceships land and take of, her best friend being a droid, and then her getting cought by the bad guys is an almost exact rehash of the plot in that one episode of the Bad Batch in which a twi’lek girl is getting caught by the bad guys. She was also the daughter of two of the leaders of her planet, she was also constantly running off and spying on ships, she was also having a droid best friend, and she was also caught/kidnapped by people working for the Empire.
And?
@@AdjustingLight Lack of ideas and bad writing. That’s LucasFilm.
I didn't realize it until now, but that is 100% true!
@@AdjustingLight And the show sucks. And Disney Star Wars sucks. Does that answer your question?
@@AdjustingLight Shameless self-plagiarism is indicative of a lack of creativity.
That's the point he's making.
Fun thing about Fifth Brother aka Wok Guy, in the animated series he had a hispanic accent and didn't look asian at all. Meaning Disney intentionally cast an Asian guy to play the man with the stereotypical asian hat. And they call us racist.
Holy fuck they did that's absurd 🤣
Monke brain lmao
They also use the stereotype of the angry black man/woman as Reva's sole character trait.
Glad I'm not the only one who noticed that. And they foolishly skimed over Jason Isaacs for an actor who never even watched Rebels, to play the Grand Inquistor
Well they didn't want to mix the cultures. "That would be offensive if a non-asian wore a wok." -woke people
As an Asian...I shot rice out of my nose when you mentioned Han was wearing a Wok on his head... freaking hilarious 😂!
Flea king hiralious!
"We don't demand perfection....We demand a basic level of competence" ...That is one of the most salient statements I have heard concerning how awful Disney as handled the SW franchise. Sadly...they have failed so many times to deliver even a modicum of competence...many of the fans (myself included) are at the point where we have had enough. There is only so long you can piss down someone's back and tell them its raining...Disney seem to have missed that memo.
The Obi Wan show is a new high in low for SW and that says a LOT considering how abysmal some of their other failures have been.
Keep up the great content...cheers
Buh bye. Many fans will be happy if you folks just head on to like a Ben Shapiro video.
His comment had nothing to do with politics. He simply said that the quality of Star Wars content has dropped since Disney took over, which it objectively has.
You're the one who brought up politics out of the blue and mystifyingly told him to go watch Ben Shapiro, which is not something someone looking for quality content would do.
Looking at your profile, you're subscribed to tons of pandering ideologues. Could it be that *you're* the type the fanbase needs less of?
@@_the_interloper Everything is about politics today, unfortunately. You can't criticize anything some like without them charging you with being evil or wore.
That is sad, since it has degraded our culture. The end will likely not be pretty, whatever your core beliefs are.
@@_the_interloper if you are saying this has nothing to do with politics, why use “woke?” That term is a political talking point used to attack progressives. If your critique sounds like Tucker Carlson said it on Fox? Yeah it’s political.
@@_the_interloper as to if the fandom needs less of folks like me. Well since the content has always been about a leftist revolution to take down a fascist empire I’m going to go out on a limb and say nope.
It’s funny how Obi Wan is staying to “protect Luke” but when we see him in the beginning of the series he’s much weaker and has even given up on being a Jedi and struggles to use to force. How was he expecting to “protect” or “train” luke exactly? That’s like a martial artist who doesn’t know the techniques teaching a class on said martial art.
"No people of color"
Lando way back in original trilogy: "AM I A JOKE TO YOU?"
Why do they keep saying ‘people of color’ when they really mean ‘black people’?
It's almost never used if the person isn't black instead of any other race.
Sadly they turned him into one now… one that f*cks robots. They massacered him.
There are other people of color in this show WITH her. Lmao. I guess Sung Kang isn't a PoC though.
I wonder how much racist hate he's getting.
"No people of color"
Mace Windu: "You motherfucker!"
@@wun1gee he’s not female… the true bigotry is reserved for female people of color
I'm usually not the Anti-SJW type, but shit, it's really infuriating to see Disney be like "See? Our Space-Nazis are progressive now, they have black people!" in the same vain as them using easily cuttable token lesbian scenes.
But their misunderstanding of politics falls totally in line with their misunderstanding of how to create a story: both are entirely superficially market oriented.
To explain what I mean by that, if Disney would make food, they make shit like a chocolate-steak-spaghetti-tofu-cesar-salad-pizza because all those ingredients sell well separately.
People are afraid of talking about Reva because they're scared of being called racist.
But here's the deal. Riva would have been hated whether she was white, black, Asian, Latino, green.
People wanted to see Obi Wan, not some contrived female character dominating the show.
Just admit it, she was the worst part of the series, but her color had ZERO to do with it.
It would be more consistent for the Empire to be racist. It acts as another reason for them to be the antagonists. On top of: murdering all Jedi (basically genocide), constructing a base to destroy planets (twice), destroying several planets, and being led by a "SITH LORD?!"
They really would, it's their logic. Stuff popular products together and try to make a super product that no one wanted.
@@oscarwillimott9296
They're more xenophobic than racist (i.e. they distrust, disregard and subjugate non-humans). The Kuat Drive Yards big-wigs were black and they enjoyed great favor with the Republic and the Empire.
I don't really care about the skin color of the Imperials, or the Rebels, or anyone else. It doesn't matter to good story telling.
@@oscarwillimott9296 And why would they be racist against other humans?
The Empire was xenophobic against non-humans because most of the upper leadership and officers came from the human-dominated Core Worlds.
This review was written better than the show itself :-)
True
the bar was not very high tbh
Another way of saying it's not utter shit
@@falcodarkzz I don't know. I thought the parkour on wires was pretty shit, not going to lie.
It’s crazy how cheap the show looks. My girlfriend and I watched the second episode then right after started Stranger Things 4. I was blown away how much better ST looks compared to Obi-Wan. The cinematography is miles ahead of any Disney+ show I’ve seen thus far.
@Daniel Rumbacher highly advise you check out all of clone wars 👍
@Daniel Rumbacher there not using less cg though that’s literally just bs from Disney
you cannot compare the two shows. Stranger Things is a modern classic and will go down in history as one of the best TV shows ever produced in the early 2010 era or even of all time. Obi-Wan is dog's piss. It's a corny lame power ranger-esque show that is worse than getting diarrhea dumped in your eyes. I rather eat a rotten skunk's asshole than ever watch another episode of it and that's just after ep 3
I did the same with Moon Knight. Watched the first episode after the Obi-wan series and the story, action, special effects, filming, and acting made the Obi-wan series look like a highschool theater film project.
St is trash lmao
The scenes with Kenobi brooding stoically in the desert cave was a very meta moment for me as a SW fan. In that moment, I felt like I was Obi Wan, that being a fan forced into exile in my own fandom that's been hijacked by idealouges and charlatans that can only make derivations of other derivations of something mostly forgotten. My love for star wars has deeply faded and now I sit and reflect with others about the glory days long past and how we failed to properly gate-keep our hobby. Those scenes in the first episode were almost surreal to me, especially juxtaposed against the prequel roll at the start of the episode. Ewan was fantastic as we knew he would be. And then the moment in ruined by the mouse's yass queen antics and a revered jedi master being emasculated by a 10 year old. It's all so tiresome. Great video btw. Subbed.
Well said, and welcome aboard!
Properly gatekeep? Jesus you don’t own fandom. I’m loving the rightwing meltdown.
@@jennybeard6341 you know this video is about Star Wars right? What does this have to do with political parties?
@@jennybeard6341 It is not necessarily about any political alignment - one can be on the Right or the Left (or care not a whit about politics either way) and still be annoyed by the simple failure of storytelling technique on display in Disney Star Wars. The failures of continuity, world building, characterisation, and plot structure are plain for all to see, and the fact that so many of them are entirely unforced mistakes that are subsequently covered up by a craven attempt at the collective character assassination of the entire fan base as being some sort of inherently bigoted far Right extremists - claims entirely a variance with the reality on the ground - only compounds the issue.
When a supposed artist (if you can grace the Disney franchise vandals with such a grandiose term) is so utterly self obsessed, so mired in prating self righteousness, that it is literally impossible in their mind that they could make any mistake or that their output could harbour any flaws, and would rather believe that an entire fandom (numbered in the tens of millions world wide at a conservative estimate don't forget) exists as some sort of bigoted hive mind, then that refusal to deal with any criticism (or engage with inconvenient reality at all) can't help but impact on the quality of their... lets be generous and call it 'art'.
Of course, that is the more generous interpretation. The alternative is that they know they are producing substandard entertainment and simply don't care. Lacking artistic integrity (or any form of integrity), they are quite prepared to peddle what they know full well to be a false narrative about the fandom for no higher or more noble reason than to protect Disney share values from any and all criticism by painting anyone who dares suggest the House of Mouse is anything less than down right divine as some sort of jackbooted thug. If you doubt that Disney and its employees are capable of such unethical behaviour, I would point out that this is the same corporation that is on public record as having thanked the Chinese authorities for allowing it to film the live action Mulan remake in the same province that houses concentration camps for the Uighur ethnic and religious minority, where gross human rights abuses in the pursuit of so called 're-education' (more accurately termed cultural genocide) have repeatedly occurred. So much for Disney's claims of moral superiority.
That is something any person of principle - whether on the Left, the Right, or politically unaligned - can and should find objectionable.
@@jennybeard6341 why are you even here? are you just going around to every video critiquing this show and shitposting? do us all a favor and leave: we're sick and tired of people like you inserting your politics into movies and tv shows.
No excuse for getting Leia / Kenobi relationship all wrong . You are correctly pointing out all the stupid, disrespectful crap Disney continues to do. And they did wedge in the racialization with the Grand Inquisitor.
They absolutely want to destroy the franchise and I simply can’t understand why.
Bruh they've been destroying it since 2015 lol
I don't think they really want to destroy the franchise. I think they have a very specific agenda to push and are completely indifferent to what happens to any franchise they use to push it.
They’re Neo Maoists-they are deliberately destroying your culture so they can create something akin to the former Soviet Union. Why? They are just pure evil-all of them.
They want to make "their" Star Wars based off the success of Lucas' Star Wars.
They genuinely believe they are making the franchise better by forcing us to swallow "Disney Star Wars". That's why KK reviles George Lucas, threw his 7-9 scripts out, and is diametrically opposed to everything that came before. It's akin to political parties railroading each other because they're doing what's good for the party, which is not necessarily what's good for the nation.
Beautifully written, I sometimes forget that not everybody was a ten year old when the first movie dropped in 1977 and a whole new cinematic era started.....good times...cheers.
I was 7 when I saw it at the coronet in San Francisco and I cried when Obi one died…and Luke was my childhood hero
Wait if everybody was 10, how are we alive
I was only 9. I usually fell asleep in the back of the Panel Van for the second movie at the Drive in - but I remember Star Wars like yesterday. Obi Wan is complete rubbish and such a disappointment by comparison. Since when did Obi Wan become a pathetic loser forgetting how to fight so much that he looked like a pathetic imbecile. Since when did he forget all his training, how to use the force and need the help of a girl to save him as well as Darth Vader forgetting he could use the force to lift him up over the fire and then strangle his throat like he had evilly done to a number people in the town a few minutes prior. WTF Disney are you doing. Why are you destroying the virtuous and good while idolising the evil? I don't get it.
Obi is utter woke rubbish. Let prevail politicial gender correctness idiocracy and you create utter shit that not even merely resembles society.
I’m glad you brought up that chase scene, I was so pissed that the dude actually acted like a branch was stoping him. And the way they ran, OH GOD, it was so dumb.
I don't think he was flashing his lightsaber on purpose. He was just putting up his space wallet, and this is just how incompetent the character has been written.
Kenobi was the make or break for many of us Star Wars fans. I went into the show skeptical and knew it would be bad. But as soon as Obi-Wan Kenobi (astute Jedi Master) kneed Flea (of the Red Hot Chili Peppers) in the nuts I had to shut it off. I was laughing so hard I couldn't breathe. Oh how I wish I was recording a reaction video. I've been a Star Wars fan for 45 years. It ended on the one of the greatest laughs I've ever experienced. So, I had a good run. I'll never be able to watch any Star Wars ever again.
There are still good star wars writers. But most of them are comic book writers.
Regrettably I agree.
As someone fortunate enough to remember standing in line at my local cinema more than once in 1977 as a 9 year old I've been a lifelong Star Wars fan... no longer.
Expecting a basic level of competence and a little care from Disney is barely anything to ask, and certainly doesn't make me a racist. SOBs!
@@charlesjmouse Even sadder is that occasionally, we DO see some actual quality coming from Disney. They DO have some talented writers. Yet somehow they're not on the big screen projects. Most recently, Andor was really well done. Or the Mandalorian before it. Rogue One. The animated series of Clone Wars and Bad Batch, Rebels to a lesser extend.
This video is perfect! I too grew up with my dad introducing me to Star Wars at a young age, especially as the prequels were coming out. I really wanted to enjoy the show, I put my hatred for the sequels and Disney aside, especially after seeing the press releases with Ewan and Hayden involved. Reva being able to know about Vader’s true identity is a slap in the face for any Star Wars fan, and Leia being wiser than a 50+ year old Jedi master makes me want to jump head first into the Sarlacc Pit! But don’t worry guys, at least we get diverse characters instead of well written likeable ones!
You are over reacting lmao grow tf up it hasn't been many episodes
Does nobody notice that the existence of the inquisitors contradicts the fact that the Empire (except secretly the emperor ) does not believe in the Force.? Tarkin made this pretty clear and all the other generals and admirals on board the death star had no respect for the Force and any supernatural things. How would they maintain an institution of Force-sensitive operatives? The thought is absurd.
Tarkin has no respect for the Jedi, due to their inability to go far enough to claim victory as a result of the code. He knows that Anakin is Vader, and while he openly disrespected the Grand Inquisitor in Rebels, the answer to your question is fear.
Disobeying the Inquisitors (or at least the Grand Inquisitor) is like disobeying an order from Vader, and thus the Emperor himself. The entire foundation of the Empire is based on fear. Imagine being an admiral in the Empire, and you interfere with the Grand Inquisitor's mission, or God forbid Vader's, because you despise and don't respect any Force users. Suddenly you have an Imperial shuttle boarding your star destroyer, and within 5 minutes there's a lightsaber in your gut, or you're being choked to death or your neck is being snapped. I don't recall very well, but I'm pretty sure Vader force-choked an admiral on the Death Star for insulting the force and all who wield it. That is why the Inquisitors were respected.
In fact, the Inquisitors were created to keep that fear fresh. All the Jedi feared them. The civilians feared them. Lower officers feared them.
@@silverstargaming20 Tarkin yes, but the other Admirals also didn't seen to know what the Force was and most of them acted like it was either something old and useless or just fairtytales.
@@SammEater Well, the reason being is that this was before George Lucas envisioned inquisitors. At the time there was just Vader and Palpatine. Most Imperial officers in the OT should have known about Jedi. After all, just 20 years before, the galaxy was full of them. However, again, Lucas didn't think about the Prequels, or really anything about the clone wars except that they existed. Obi-Wan was supposed to be this wise old hermit, yet a veteran of the Clone Wars. The only mention of it is in that one scene, and it was initially implied to have happened like 30-40 years ago. Well, it was half that. Again, the main elements of the OT can always be used seamlessly, but the finer details are often confusing, especially after seeing the Clone Wars, knowing they ended 19 years before the Battle of Yavin, knowing Tarkin knew the Jedi and knew Anakin became Vader. Everyone is confused as to why Kenobi is so old in the OT films, until they remember that Star Wars had JUST begun then. George Lucas didn't have anything besides the OT planned out. Star Wars was supposed to just be one movie initially. But now we have an expanded universe, through which other things that weren't explained in the OT are given an explanation.
In a galaxy of 1000's of planets and now only a handful of force users, it would probably be pretty easy for a number of imperial officers to have never seen an inquisitor or an emperor's hand for that matter. Heck, during the height of the Republic with 1000's of jedi knights, it was almost unheard of to see one on the outer rim. Even though they should be known, it is quite possible for many to go their entire lives and never see one.
Long story short: Congrats you guys made me look up freaking rebels release date.
So apperantly the Inquisitors are not a thing George Lucas made. There used to be a EU book in like 1989 that described them and some other stuff in the 90s but under Lucas they never saw an entry into star wars official stuff. The first time an inquisitor appeared was indeed star wars rebels. In the back of my mind I thought rebels was entirely a disney production and the reason why they canceled the clone wars (which is far supperior to rebels and I still say that canceling the clone wars was disneys first, almost worst and most stupid mistake when they took over star wars but thats besides the point) was because they wanted to push rebels instead. One duckduckgo search later and I know I was right. The inquisitors are entirely a disney BS thing and that's why you have to jump through several mental hoops and have at least one brain injury to make them make sense in the original trilogy. Though ngl, @JoshuaBonesteel that explaination I honestly would except if it was canon cause at least that doesn't require the brain injury.
I can’t put a cap on my thoughts of obi-wan until it’s finished, but it should have just been a movie with full production. Disney are so incompetent. The success of Mandalorian had nothing to do with it being a series. The failure of Solo had nothing to do with it being a movie.
I'm glad you joined "The Club"
You're perspective, and voice, is a wonderful addition to my favorite channels that have taken to you very well.
Lando destroys their argument, he was a late addition to the cast and still was so outstanding and vibrant as a character and never once mentioned his color.
I'm certain there were, just from my own upbringing with racist parents. However, social media makes it easier to air any complaints, racist or otherwise, even directly those involved with said show.
@@billwenham ur really that sure? Sorry for upbringing. Not everyone was raised like u.
@@freelancenerd4804 Thankfully!
@U.S. ARMY 19D enlisted Sure, Jan.
@U.S. ARMY 19D enlisted My parents literally thought black people were less than white people. But go off on how they had reasons, I guess.
Those who love and respect the Star Wars franchise should now understand the feelings of those who love and respect The Wheel of Time book series. Amazon have done to that, what Disney have done to this. Two of the biggest players are turning out utter dross, while expecting us to meekly sit back and accept it. As for the accusations of racism and genderism...what a cheap, and oh so tedious way to respond to the backlash. Disney and Amazon both use that tired old trope.
Oh, I always understood. Star Wars fans have put up with it since at least 2017, Lord of the Rings fans are next. (So they’ve got me twice!) If there’s one good thing to have come from that Wheel of Time farce - which I thought was terrible, despite knowing nothing about the source material - it’s that it’s exposed a lot of people to a passionate fandom that’s rightly up in arms about its treatment at the hands of studios, and so prompted them to go back to the books to see what all the fuss is about. They’re now near the top of my reading list.
@@TheLittlePlatoon Fourteen books is a commitment, but I hope you enjoy them as much as I and millions of others have.
The what books?
@@grahamsmith2753 Happily I’m a fast reader! And I love good fantasy. I’d recommend Lynn Flewelling’s Nightrunner series as an example of how to do good stories with “diverse” characters without giving in to modern, shallow conceptions of what that should look like. A bit derivative at the beginning but quickly finds its feet.
I think Disney tends to forget that it’s not 2022. It’s “a long time ago”.
Paused the vid to let you know that you're channel is going to grow. YT is in desperate need for high quality content like this. Awesome vid. Subbed.
Here’s hoping, and welcome aboard!
To see so many IPs attacked and ruined so quickly, it is not a mistake, it is on purpose (Halo, Wheel of Time, Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, even the end of GOT). Honestly, creative genius has been stifled by the "delayed adolescence" of our modern culture. To write something that is meaningful, a writer requires the ability to abstractly recognize the story in its full context. Honestly, I think you made a great point, that there are many fans who would make better writers. However, it's not like unbelievable authors haven't been involved in the Star Wars world! Nobody could find a writer like Terry Brooks, Dave Wolferton, R.A. Salvatore, etc? Maybe not to write the scripts, but at least manage the damn story boards. This is not accidental, IMHO, it is purposeful.
What they did to the wheel of time...omfg, what an abomination
Did you just claim R.A. As a great writer? Hahahahahaha! And you have the gall to disparage the writing on this show?
at this point, it HAS to be pursposeful. There's not enough negligence in the world. It's The Message.
@@jennybeard6341 it's been a long time but I remember enjoy the Drizzt Do'Urden saga a lot. What's wrong with Salvatore? Btw, no, he did not say RA is a great writer. He said he could keep things coherent, unlike the ones writing SW.
@@Yarblocosifilitico I fckibg love the message
vandalism is exactly what it is. they hate the source material, the culture that made it, and the people who like it.
they took it from you, and now they're rubbing that fact in your face with these struggle sessions thinly veiled as 'entertainment'.
Ewan McGregor did an amazing job with what he had. I hope the next episodes will be able to salvage something, but my hope is slim. Great video!
He produced this garbage lol
@@antonhallergren588 I know! When I saw that this series was being made and that Ewan himself was one of the producers I thought that just maybe it would turn out okay. There were several other producers and of course it's still disney so maybe he didn't have that much control over it after all.
@@antonhallergren588 almost all shows now have the lead actor as the “executive producer” and tbh I doubt they really do much when it comes to the writing
"...when we remember the value of stories and how to tell them well." From the bottom of my heart, thank you for saying this. That is exactly, 100%, spot-on correct. Nothing pains me more than the sloppy writing mistakes. I'm not even talking about the big stuff. I'm talking about characters making irrational, implausible or out-of-character choices merely to shoehorn in predetermined plot points. Do these writers not revise? Do executives and producers and directors not read the scripts? Viewers -- not just long-time fans but ALL VIEWERS -- deserve a better product from a company like Disney.
Definitely. I think a lot of this gets lost in the heat of battle when it comes to much-loved IPs like Star Wars and Star Trek. People on both sides - understandably - spend the vast majority of their time arguing points like canon and politics, which are undeniably important. But at least as bad, albeit in subtler ways, is the foundational stuff - writing, motivations, incentives, logical progression, reliance on luck an led stupidity to make progress, character consistency, etc., ad nauseam. I think that goes a long way toward explaining why, as all these beloved stories are being torn down, nothing new is arising to replace them. It’s not just that we can’t write Star Wars, it’s that we seem to be incapable of writing anything.
Finally an intelligent, rational breakdown of Obi Wan and Disney Star Wars in general. Subbed!
Welcome aboard!
@@TheLittlePlatoon Same here.
I’m reluctant to jump on the hate bandwagon when it's not warranted but seeing how many plotholes they're making in the first two episodes really makes me wretch after hearing and then seeing them for myself.
You're a nice breath of fresh air in the sea of star wars hate channels and subbed. Favorited. And I'm going to mention this video to anyone who I think might be interested.
The writers just don't seem to understand in these "prequel" series that the writing has to be incredibly tight yet inventive, especially when we already know the outcome of certain characters archs. They have to be extremely careful with Canon discrepancies but still leave room for expanding characterization. Disney, as it pertains specifically to star wars, has been INCREDIBLY bad at both things but I guess Diversity and Dinosaurs are more important than storytelling.
I’m just here to watch this channel grow. Man you have the right tone and analysis. I found the channel two days ago and I’ve almost done half the videos listed
We’re very glad to have you!
@@TheLittlePlatoon just so you know I’m in Jamaica so you channel has REACH
Thanks for including "Across the Stars" in the review! I love that track.
If you do not fully like and approve every minute of Kenobi, pure liquid rassisism pumps through your veins.
Finally found someone with whom I agree on absolutely everything: prequels, rogue one etc. Hear, hear!
Honestly I didn’t really mind the first 2 episodes much. I’m just assuming for the stories convenience that Leia is magically gonna be to stupid to figure out Obi wan and Ben the Jedi are the same person even though she isn’t that stupid. My biggest issue is how Reva knows Anakin is Vader when he’s known to just fuck people up and murder them when they know unless the Emperor says otherwise like with Thrawn and Tarkin. Like she’s not important enough for anyone to care especially when the inquisitors don’t like her ass. I genuinely find it hard to believe she even managed to get this far because she is the shittiest “soldier” ever.
Because Bail Organa could only possibly know one Jedi?
@@ariesroc He only knows Yoda and Obi Wan are alive, and he knows Obi Wan has been successful in protecting Luke, so it makes sense Organa goes to Obi Wan.
@@Henry-iz7iv I think their point is that Leia has no way of knowing Ben is Obi-Wan Kenobi, Bail could secretly know of a whole handful of surviving Jedi for all Leia knows. I would be shocked if she's ever even heard the name Obi-Wan yet at her age.
@@Henry-iz7iv It has been well established that Senator Bale Organa knows Ashoka Tano who is once a Jedi because she is working with him organizing a rebellion against the Empire. She would be a much better choice to rescue Leia than Obi wan since she kept in touch with Bale and constantly hopping across the galaxy coordinating with various rebellion groups.
See, I had an issue with this till episode 3. In the third episode, Reva lies to Vader about who killed the Grand Inquisitor and after he fights Kenobi, I'm sure he'll put 2 and 2 together since Kenobi can't fight and just runs. Secondly, I don't think he knows that she knows he is Anakin. As per the comics, Vader kills anybody with that knowledge, and I'm sure if he finds out that she knows, he'll cut her down. That's my hope anyways.
I find it funny when people gave rogue one such a hard time and labeled it "not star wars" when it's the closest thing to the source material we've had in movies since the prequels. Disney sucks omg 🤦♂️
That's because most of those who call themselves ‘Star Wars Fans’ haven't watched the OT or even the PT and are more fans of the brand or fans of the memes of star wars.
@@Lobsterwithinternet Or because Rogue One, its tone aside, was a boring series of fetch quests by a gang of mindnumbingly dull characters fighting off a CGI monster.
So it was kind of prequel'ish at least, but not in the good way
@@JarmamStuff "fighting off a CGI monster" thank you for classifying Krennic as a cgi monster
Once you stop to think about it, is kinda stupid that Obi Wan doesn't know how to comunicate with the Force anymore and dont even know how to fight...and still keep repeating that his duty is to protect the boy...so if he barely can handle himself with some unarmed and armed goons..how would he protect Luke against Vader or Inquisitors? Expected him to increase his mental strength by training and meditation in his loneliness in the desert.
I'm actually surprised that you haven't mentioned how Bail’s reasoning for rescuing Leia doesn't make any sense and puts them all in danger of getting caught.
I mean, isn't this whole thing something Reva is doing without authorization? That means she’s gone rogue and kidnapped a senator’s daughter. That's enough to get the Empire to start hunting her down like a dog.
A different tangent, but on the subject of Bail's terrible writing...
Not to mention Bail claiming that Leia was Obi-Wan's responsibility too, when in Revenge of the Sith (which they were oh so happy to remind us of), when deciding what to do with the kids, Bail jumped at the chance to take Leia under his protection, and that was the end of that conversation.
Either they forgot that point, or Bail's a pathetic flake who will deflect responsibility to Obi-Wan at the first sign of trouble, despite having so many resources at his disposal...
@@insulttothehumanrace3807 Quite.
Here’s something to chew on that somebody else pointed out to me: This show is set one year after Solo: A Star Wars Story.
Just let that sink in.
@@Lobsterwithinternet I dont wanna watch Solo again so what is the relevance of Solo?
@@jspthesecond0723 Han Solo was 23 by the time Solo ends and Kenobi takes place a year after that, making Han 24 years old while Leia is 10.
In 1995 when my son was 2 1/2, I would put Empire Strikes Back VHS into VCR. Leave out snacks & juice. He'd turn TV on, push the tape in & watch before I got up.
That is, unironically, top parenting. I’m pretty sure my dad did something similar. Star Wars, Jurassic Park, Attenborough documentaries and re-runs of The Simpsons and Robot Wars.
@@TheLittlePlatoon Thanks, I brought him up with the classics. The boy liked his Star Wars, plus West Side Story & other great films. I let him play Duke Nukem 3D when he was 3 on PC. Here he is doing quotes from Duke Nukem. You can see the TV behind close to the floor so he could use it. ua-cam.com/video/vYnai8TYH7s/v-deo.html
@@archangelum Adorable!
The words you choose and how you explain everything is fun to listen to. Thank you for all the effort you put into these videos.
corrrect me if i am wrong, the act of kidnaping a daughter of an imperial senator should be treason? because if i recall the empire gives its value to ranks and if she is kidnaping a daughter of an imperial senator without proof of treason on the part of the organa family wouldn't the inquisitor be the traitor then?, for disturbing the internal stability of the empire?
If she's doing so without direct orders from Vader or the Emperor allowing her to, yeah.
That and the Emperor still wants to give the illusion of democratic society until he dissolved the imperial senate and put the regional governors into power at the beginning of ANH so having a rogue force-sensitive running around kidnapping the daughter of a senator would be something he couldn't ignore. So he would track the inquisitor down, kill them, save the girl, and then turn around and claim it was a rogue Jedi terrorist who did it. That way he cuts a loose end while antagonizing the galaxy against the Jedi further.
@@Lobsterwithinternet
this was the first detail that came to mind, when i heard the plot of this show and omg, how these people overlook these details, its almost like they are insulting our intelligence, you can only enjoy this show if you are casual or you have the ability to turn your brain off
I am actually of the opinion that Vader will be cutting Reva down by the end of the season. She's done things completely contradictory to her duties and the rule of the Empire.
It’s unclear that Filoni had any involvement in Kenobi. He is not credited and there is only a small “special thanks” to him very late in the credits.
I'm begining to believe we need a new law against willful destruction of cultural entities both physical and intellectual. Disney should be in jail... okay rather Disney should be heavily fined that money returned to the people of America, then Star Wars should be returned to the living creator.
In other views if I could legally raise Disney down and pull out the carcass of starwars from its destroyed rumbled clutches I would only to bury it so it could rest in peace.
At the same time, Disney is complaining that Mickey Mouse and other characters shouldn't become public domain. Ironic, isn't it? I guess Disney doesn't want anybody FUCKING WITH THEIR CHARACTERS!
Sequel shouldn't have happened
Edit: Disney fan made sequels
Yes I think this is a necessity. So many classic fictional characters have been destroyed/mocked/torn apart and it is a crime.
Dude I sooo agree with you🙏✌️
I enjoyed your video more than the last three Kenobi videos.
It's so sad how this current trend of inferior writing sucks all meaning out of great source material.
and it will continue so as the woke culture keeps infesting all forms of media.
I just pretend that the sequel trilogy and all the other Disney garbage doesn't exist.
The children's cartoon made the Inquisitors more intimidating. Like they were actually unstoppable, inhuman assassins and not grunts
I've read a lot of people saying that SW fans are toxic and they shouldnt even try to please them, since they hate on everything.
Like bruh, it is too much to ask for something fun and enjoyable, like you know... the originals?
I’ve watched numerous Kenobi reviews on you tube. Both negative and positive ones. By far, yours is the most in-depth, thought-provoking and analytical of them all. The writers’ apparent willful ignorance of the well-established Star Wars lore is beyond maddening. Keep making these quality reviews.
Many thanks! In an ideal world I’d not *have* to make them, because the shows would be good. These videos are my own small attempt to put myself out of a job.
"Get woke, go broke". Pretty much sums up modern Disney & Hollywood in general.
Maybe they'll sell star wars to someone else
Absolutely fucking SPOT ON. Literally took the words from my mouth. Top work!
12:31 disney will say "that's not a wok on his head, that's half of an american football!"
Disney can lecture me about how racist I am when they get done airbrushing their black characters off the Chinese posters
This was cathartic to listen to. Very well articulated. One thing that people haven't touched on is how easy it is for the Organas to get in touch with Obi-Wan now. They apparently have a direct line to reach him exactly where he is, all the way from Alderaan. And then later we see Bail teleport directly to Obi-Wan's random cave, just like that. It's just that easy for anyone to track him. If this was the case in Episode 4, why bother sending Leia on a risky mission to recruit him without his knowledge? Why wasn't Bail just like "bro, get ready, sending my daughter to pick you up"? They're just breaking shit left and right.
Bail knows where Obi-Wan is. He is in on all the secrets. That he could contact him is not some shocker. It is that much to think that for some reason it was later decided that only personal contact was decided to be used rather than transmission? This is like complaining how did Vader know about Luke in Empire? Obviously events happen between movies. Of any number of things to focus on that is not one of them.
@@ariesroc Yes, if you’re sending a military escort that puts VIPs and your own daughter at risk, you would logically contact the person you’re picking up ahead of time to notify him if you had those means.
@@FDLink It's not a military escort but a diplomatic one. We don't know if they had the means to contact Obi-Wan anymore. They might have decided that only personal contact at the greatest time of crisis was the way to go. No one was looking for Leia in this show while the entire galaxy was in ANH because she had the plans. Of all the things to talk about I find this minor at best.
Bail knew obi wan was on tattooine already and the communicator he used to call him was what they used in the clone wars to communicate
One hell of a review. Well done
Disney never fails to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. It's like they are intentionally trying to kill the franchise.
You know, I was expecting a Kenobi story inspired by "Death Rides a Horse" and "13 Assassins" in which after several years of hiding, Obi-Wan learns of an opportunity to kill Palpatine and avenge the fallen Jedi. But is this case he will ultimately fail, learning that he too is vulnerable to the destruction of fear and anger. Obi-Wan hits rock bottom and quietly returns to hiding. Luke, Leia and possibly Vader have no knowledge of this gambit, preserving both the original story and the fearful dominance that the Empire imposed. Then again, this is Disney and the glory days of MGM are long past.
YES! A story about Obiwan trying to make up for mistakes that he blames himself for making (regardless of how at fault he is really) only to realize that he risks falling to the dark like Anikan did is PERFECT. It could serve to grow him as a character, and show how unlike Ani he could overcome the hate and anger inside himself.
What were they thinking when deciding to put that escape scene attempt, the choreography was literally so bad.
So happy i found your channel today. Loving the videos and commentary. Thanks man
Glad you found it, too!
The feeling when the criticism of art is a greater work of art than the critiqued art itself. Excellent music cue to end it on as well, well done. Sadly, you're absolutely right. It's a dark time for Star Wars fans.
Did James Earl Jones get angry racist letters when fans found out that Darth Vader was actually black?
I really don’t think the acting was the issue in the prequels. It’s impossible to give a perfect performance when the lines you are being given are horrible.
Bad writing and directing absolutely contributed, but some actors were also just bad. I.e. Jake Lloyd. That’s obviously not Jake’s fault, it’s Lucas’s for casting him, but still.
@@ltsmash1200I don’t disagree with you.
Using the first successful take is a sign you're in a rush to finish.
It is truly sad what star wars has come to.. I remember when Star Wars 7 was announced and I lost my freaking mind. There was nothing more exciting to me than star wars episode 7. Star Wars 7 was an open canvas to create any story you could possibly imagine, and I was beyond thrilled by that idea. I simply can’t fathom how things turned out the way they did with star wars. How can you take such an inspiring story with infinite possibilities and turn it into such a convoluted, underwhelming, inconsistent mess? My inner child is not just crying, he’s depressed.
"Cultural Vandalism" I like that. lol
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It kinda says something about Disney when respawn entertainment created a better story in a shorter amount of time. Trilla>reva I will give the show the benefit of the doubt until the show ends though as I don't believe it's fair to judge a show until it's complete. But I know that its gonna probably be bad because it's Disney that wrote it. I've never really been a big fan Deborah chow and honestly I have no idea how she got her job given that she went from nothing to directing multiple stories in star wars.
You just earned a subscriber this is the best explanation I've come across
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What message is Disney sending by making the black antagonist petulant, undisciplined and insubordinate?
An uppity gamer word. Great jawb Disney.
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The moment I see anyone connected to a piece of entertainment gargle on about diversity ,inclusion or POC representation it´s automatically a hard pass for me. It shows where the interests of the driving forces behind it´s creation lies and the writing and action (if there is action) is always garbage.
times where different back then but I have not seen promo materials featuring wesley snipes or sigourney weaver prattling on about being black/woman as the major selling points of their respective franchises.
But apparently at some point I´ve slipped into a different dimension because according to these new diversity hire actors there was never a woman or black person present in a movie or show made before the "outbreak" so the movies I remember from my childhood can´t exist because I remember tons of black people.
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I've been critical of chase scenes in movies for my entire life, always screaming at the screen (either inwardly at the theatre or, at the consternation of my wife, outwardly at home) at some sort of ridiculous chase. But when the Leia chase scene finished, I just turned the show off. I couldn't even get mad due to how absurd it was.
At least you saved yourself from the second such absurd chase scene in episode 2 - where she outruns Obi Wan ffs
@@Mr79Shahin Yeah, but I've unfortunately seen the video reviews...🙄
It is Power Rangers level of choreography bad.
Well done. Lots of great insight here.
18:40 not to mention she gives him more than an ounce of apparently great spice for free. No respected drug dealer would do this.
Fans are impossible to please means they refuse to make a Star wars worth watching and refuse to be held accountable for their failures
I said that when I watched the first series,
that the show will not be for Kenobi but for Riva ..
Typically for Disney, we are once again pushed by a woman leading character, gender politics.
1. Leading characters - a woman
2. Leading characters - colored
3. Killing the iconic hero Kenobi.
KK tried again his policy that "The Force is a woman".
I'm a woman too, but that's idiotic.
When will she be fired? Everything he touches turns into garbage. He ruined Luke, he ruined Han Solo, he ruined Leia. Now he's killing Kenobi. How long will we tolerate this?
Boycott this Disney stupidity until K.K. is fired.
No one will fire her if we continue to be patient and pay to watch another stupidity. We can save Star Wars if we are united and make those in power fire K.K.
You are sounding like Mike Zero or Overlord DVD with their clickbait reviews.
Making the rounds now since i agreed with a good portion of the 5th ep summary. Jus wanna say for a channel i jus found and low subs, good stuff/production so far, critical spiffin brit. Never knew i needed it. Keep grinding.
perfectly said, nice to know others feel the same this show has been genuinely upsetting to watch so far, I am 22 years old and have grown up with Star Wars aswell. obi-wan has been such an iconic character for me and so many others an dits sad to see how Disney have handled this.
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I could be wrong, but I do not recall seeing Leia anywhere in the trailer for the show, but they did show Luke. Yet Luke is in a whopping 2 episodes, while Leia is in 6.
I figured they did that to keep things unexpected
Remember how they are obsessed with "subverting your expectations ". Blah, blah, storytelling, it's now about bait and switch style writing and seeing if they can outthink the audience. Sadly they usually can't and we get this series and others of its ilk.
Man this is exactly how I’ve been feeling. I hated this idea of race swap, and then using my skin color (black) as a defense coping mechanism for their terrible writing. I really hate studios like Disney for this abhorrent reason. What in the world have we come to? Why brother to begin with? I mean I understand they’re trying to make money but why not use other reasons to defend their poor product? Instead they focus on this counter defense using color and gender. They blame their audiences by labeling their opinions as racist and misogynistic behavior. Seriously this is nihilism at its core. I couldn’t agree more with your comment.
This show seems like a "Leia adventure" more than a Obi-Wan show that and the AWFUL music are my biggest complaints. At this point I think we all know what to expect from Disney's Star Wars.
Hahah I was yelling at the TV when he Decked out in jedi robes . Like he was not just ranting and raving about how you shouldn't look like a jedi
So many things to be enraged about when it comes to the people who make this crap. One of the biggest ones, of course, is how the people who pat themselves on the back for opposing "vilification," vilify their critics.
I'm struck by the parallels in framing between the lone, watching Obi Wan at 23:26, and Luke in that same pose just before he winks out of existence. All roads lead to Jake.
maybe Leia didn't know that the Ben who saved her was Obiwan . I guess she never told her adoptive dad about the guy with Jedi powers named Ben who saved her
Nah, they simply retconned this mess and basically broke the continuity. Luke was his responsibility.... Damn say what you want about the 3 prequels and Rogue One.... Regardless of their story telling, they stayed as close as they could without breaking the continuity timeline. So far this show as basically destroyed it, as well as the last 3 "trilogy" movies
You have an amazing soothing voice lol
I loved this video
I didn't expect greatness, and didn't even watch it on my own. I was willing to accept that Obi Wan was broken after all he's been and therefore less optimistic, but I was not expecting a totally different person.
The BIGGEST probably with episode one is that unlike the other shows, we have a very big reason to return to/ stay on Tatooine! They gave him a job, a community, and potential for conflict, and with that you can have an interesting episodic adventure with little conflicts everywhere, who needs the empire aside from maybe one Inquisitor!? The fact that he leaves Tatooine at all was silly, Leia was awful, and Obi Wan was a bit aggressive with this guy that was scamming poor people instead of being cheeky, calm, and smart about it. And we would likely be spared all this bullshit.
I expected this much from Disney
Very good video! Reminds me of back in the day when MaUler was tearing TLJ a new one
Well put. Subbed! People raised mainly on IP fictions will only write copies of IP fiction which get poorer with each iteration. I don't want to write anyone off, but more real world living is necessary for the people involved in these creations. Also, I'm sure Disney suffers from a 'too many cooks' issue.
Welcome aboard! And yes, absolutely. Everything they do reeks of committee.
I couldn't have said it any better. Thanks for speaking for the true fans.
Leia runs like a toddler. Why did they cast such a small child? She is an extra small 8 year old playing a 10 year old character (the filming started in early 2021, she turns 10 on June 4th, 2022).
Also you are correct, it is the Little Leia show. She billed before Ewan McGregor in the cast list on IMDB website.
I wouldn't say she "runs". she kinda "waddles".
How about looking to the billing on the actual show itself?
I personally don't injoy rough language, but your videos are so well put together and your thoughts are expressed so compellingly it really doesn't bother me.
Well done on this video.