What is the Best Pour Over For Beginners? V60 vs Origami vs Kalita Wave
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- Опубліковано 20 бер 2021
- Which Pour Over Coffee brewer should be the first one that you purchase?
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Which dripper would you choose if you had to start over? What would you recommend to a friend?
Not owning either of these I’d opt for the Kalita.
I alternate between espresso and drip coffee at home, and I really like the idea of a flat bottom filter to provide a more uniform extraction. Not sure if there’s any truth to that, obviously the V60, Chemex, etc. are hugely popular for a reason. Another awesome video, man! Thanks for the great content.
Not having brewed with any of those other than the Aeropress 😁 I like the Espro Bloom. The technique is very easy for a beginner to learn and produces a reliable, if a little limited, cup
Answer to both questions would still be a Chemex.
For me Hario switch:
+ easy to heat up (just leave it closed with hot water)
+ can be used as normal v60
+ option for immersion brew
+ simple mechanism
- glass (can be broken, needs heating up)
Kalita Wave, 100%
I tend to recommend the v60 for a first brewer, but that’s largely to overcome cost concerns. As much as I love to experiment with all kinds of tools and techniques, it’s hard to deny that someone getting started could do worse than paying $8 or less for their first piece of hardware, especially since it can still be very useful as they grow into the hobby.
That is why I like the Kalita. The taste qualities you describe there are more for me. Plus it doesn't break when you are clumsy!
I went through this dilemma years ago as I was being introduced to specialty coffee, I was just starting uni and buying multiple brewing methods to power what would become an emphatic addiction was (and still is) a far fetched dream but I would like to add to this great video that a great approach to making this decision is to try them all at a local specialty coffee shop over a given (preferably prolonged) period of time not only will you become more familiar with the different profiles each can bring but also over different beans so only you understand what is that you like and crave, for me I chose the Chemex as my first brewer, I loved (and still do) how clean, crisp and vibrant it made some exotic [mostly] natural beans taste while also looking absolutely stunning.
That’s one of the coolest coffee montages I’ve seen 👍
That "coffee montage" was insane ! The style made me think of Peter McKinnon 👌
Based on your information, I'm going to try the Kalita first, because I'm looking for a sweeter low acidity chocolate profile to my brew, and I'm considering buying Brazilian high quality, single sourced, medium roasted beans for that flavor characteristic.
How did you like the Kalita? I love mine. I think it makes the richest brew of the three.
@@mannshambles7006 I agree completely.
Love my Kalita. It’s been about 10 years I’ve put on the stainless steel. I modded mine recently by drilling each the holes 1mm wider, and it brews even better! As I understand it, the other materials (glass and ceramic) drain considerably faster than the stock stainless, so maybe I’ve just modded it to be more like its sibling’s.
@@mannshambles7006which would you recommend to brew for myself and wife every morning? I read reviews on Amazon that the Kalita (steel) had problems
dude that coffee montage was sicckkkkk
Glad you enjoyed it!
i was thinking the same thing!! i actually re-watched it just for fun. that sound muting with bloom closeup: beautiful, and bloom bubble popping: haha priceless!
Thank you - this is perfect timing for me. Just bought my first grinder (Sage Dose control). At the minute I’m using a metal cone dripper as I wanted to save on waste but now I’m thinking i should buy one of these drippers and some papers. 😊
Glad this helped!
I have both a V60 and origami. Use the V60 for travelling as its plastic, but my origami is porcelain and more fragile. I'm no expert but I personally find using the kalita wave filter with the origami works great 😀
I don't own any dripper (unless a Chemex is) so your video will help me a lot choosing the right one. Thanks Kyle, always a nice video !
I just got my origami yesterday and I couldn't be more happy - the fact that I was able to brew a gold cup on the first try, with a new gesha from Black and White, with the Wave/Stagg filter in the Origami, has me over the moon. I've been struggling for months with my v60. I have brought my temps down to 200F from 205F, and I let my water drain almost fully on each pour, no more bitter coffees. I can't wait to use my Origami tomorrow. And I own 3 cup Chemex, Aeropress, Ceramic V60, stagg as well.
Which would you recommend to brew for two people every morning?
Following since day one man, so happy I found you. You’re going to make such a difference. Keep being you, you’re going to be huge!
Appreciate the kind words. Not looking to be huge by any means aha. Just trying to help a few to make better coffee.
@@KyleRowsell thank you Kyle! Being a barista myself, I know these tips are super helpful for people at home to make better cups of coffee. With the right technique, it’s truly not difficult to compete. All it take is care in what you’re doing
@@kyleharvey3824 glad you agree!
I just managed to find an origami in stock at a local roaster this week super excited! Talk about perfect timing!
They’re not easy to find!
It's the best brewer in my experience. and it looks amazing.
I use the ceramic, purple, V60. It really made life easier. It's taken me about 75-100 pourovers to get close to a coffee shop quality pourover.
I main v60, but now you got me wanting to try the origami
I would use the Hario switch as you can use it both as an immersion and a V60 style brewer.
Planning to do another video, showcasing immersion brewers
Where are you finding this for sale?
the downslide to the switch is you have to pull out the ball bearing if you want to do it v60 style otherwise it destroys the flow rate and theres a solid chance it goes missing
Excellent vid, thank you. Going to buy my first pour over soon, and this was so helpful. Also, kudos for not having any stupid background music, while presenting. Lot of work went into this, I think. Good luck.
I have all these drippers and I use the origami the most. You can create different recipes with different paper filters and brewing methods and it is very flexible. Honestly, I have 8 origami in different colors.
Great video. I've been eyeing the Origami. Surprisingly sold out all over. Been focusing on roasting equipment rather than brew equipment but looking forward to getting one.
Yeah they’re not easy! I’ve linked a few sites that currently have them in stock!
@@KyleRowsell Thanks, I've found a few sites as well. Noticed you mentioned a washed Bolivian. Been roasting it lately. It's super tasty, even into full city!
So good Kyle :). I really like the Origami w the Kalita filters. Lately my goto though is the Hario Switch, if you haven't tried it I definitely recommend it. I was surprised to hear you say how much you like the Stagg (which I also have). There is so little on YT about how to optimize that dripper, it would be great if you can do a video specifically on it :). Thx for the great content, and dude that montage was so great it made me get up to make another cup.
Based on your description of the results, it'd be the Kalita Wave for me, but I do like the versatility of them Origami. That's the great thing about coffee as a hobby though: you can get them all for pretty cheap and nerd out.
flat bottom brewers tend to yield higher extractions overall which is pretty nice
Have the V60 and loving the clarity and sweetness but will be buying a second dripped for the office when we are allowed back. Will definitely check out the origami. Also have the Bianca like yourself so keep the video’s coming!!
Right on. As I mentioned in this video It’s very similar to the v60 in the cup it produces. No need to buy one if you already have a V60 unless you want to explore or like you mentioned, another for the office.
I'm using the V60 since 3 years now, bought it because it was the cheapest back then (22 €). I'm ready for something new. Orea brewer seems promising. Have pre-ordered it end of February.
I’m excited to receive my orea as well.
That pop at 5:18 is 🔥
🛁
Fantastic as always!
Recently i discovered some interesting drippers, the Lili Dripper, and Cafec drippers, there are 2 cafec drippers very interesting to use
Just subscribed l love your video. So for about 2 years, I was using Keurig. Then I switch to the Hario switch I absolutely love it it's so simple, but I do have a french press which I rarely don't use at all.
Hey Kyle great video as always thanks! What carafes are you using? Specifically the 2nd and third carafes? I love the size of the one you're using with the v60!
Thanks. i just ordered the origami so I will be back again for the report 😁😁
I have been almost all V60 since I started 3 years ago. Wanted to focus on one brewer and always loved V60 results from cafes that used it. Last year I purchased the 155 Kalita in Ceramic. I prefer the V60 but do still use the Kalita on occasion. I just ordered a Chemex, as it was always my absolute favorite at cafes during brew method classes. Look forward to learning and dialing in on the Chemex. Lastly, I just purchased a Comandante C40 MK4 hand grinder. I was previously using a Breville Smart Grinder Pro conical burr grinder. In just 1 week I realize that I am getting a far superior extraction with the Comandante. So, to those out there getting started, I would stress that grinder selection may be the most important variable to lock down. Happy brewing!
Which grinder would you recommend for a beginner under $150?
Great video Kyle! My favourite dripper is probably the April brewer. Definitely would also recommend V60 filters on the Origami. I find Kalita filters don't really work on the origami as they block the airflow on it leading to all sorts of problems.
Thanks Carl. Yes, I’ve experienced the same! I believe they work, but If they work well is another conversation. Thanks for this response!
Just a health point: recent studies have come out saying that coffee made with a paper filter is better for your cholesterol profile. The paper filters remove some elements that are harmful to your cholesterol numbers, adding to the LDL portion. We want the HDL numbers to be higher, the LDL to be lower. Happy coffee drinking!
like the positive energy in the video, I am drinking aeropress while watching this:) I got V60 and Kalita and prefer V60. need to try Origami
Thanks for watching!
Hey @Li He. Why do you prefer the v60? Just curious 🤔
@@zxdc5893 I think V60 is very versatile. You can grind coarser to get a light coffee with pronounced notes and flavor clarity (use method like 4:6 or April V60), or you can grind finer to get a sweeter coffee (use method like Matt Perger). With Kalita, because flow rate is limited, most time you get a sweet dominated and rounded coffee, with less flavor clarity. I mostly drink light roast coffee.
I love my Melita pour over. Great beginner pour over
Awesome video bro! What do you recommend for a budget coffee carafe?
Thoughts on using the Chemex filters in the Origami dripper, particularly to replicate Chemex-native cups? I'm thinking of getting a pourover dripper in the near future but I don't want to spend more money a separate Chemex if I already come to own an Origami.
Thanks for the great review. I wonder if you have ever compared Melitta pour-over dripper (which is much more widely available in North America) with some of the popular Japanese designed drippers? I currently use a Melitta Signature Series dripper. Thanks.
I got both the V60 and the Origami. Love using both and...don't really have a preference (though the Origami looks awesome to use!) I would say if it depends on budget, the plastic V60 is probably the cheapest and best option. If there's budget play, then Origami. I can't vouch for or against Kalita as I've never used it!
I like the Timemore Crystal Eye dripper.
Nice! Great coffee montage. Can i ask what brew ratio did you have? Thank you for your response! 😊
You left out my favorite dripper. It's not trendy, it's old, and it makes great coffee.
I'm talking about the grandmother of all pour over drippers, the humble Melitta cone.
Especially for someone just getting started in pour over coffee, the Melitta is perfect. You can buy it, and the filters, almost everywhere. It's cheap (the cone alone is under $5.00 USD). Don't ignore the economy ... the less you spend on a dripper, the more you can spend on your grinder and beans - a $5 dripper and a Baratza Encore will make far better coffee than an Origami and a blade grinder.
Does the Melitta make The World's Best Coffee? Probably not, but that's not what the newbie is looking for. They want something much better than the swill they're currently drinking, but aren't ready to go down the rabbit hole of superb coffee, not just yet. The jump between K-cups and a Melitta is huge.
Sometimes we forget that most people aren't as into coffee as we are. They want *good*, but don't want the effort of "the best". If I was recommending a setup to a friend, I'd tell them to get the Melitta, a refurbished Encore, and the best beans they can afford.
BTW, I'm a user experience developer. My job is figuring out what the typical person wants, and how to provide that: no less, no more. My suggestion is based on the average K-cup and Starbucks drinker making their first move up - not the person who already loves excellent coffee. For someone like Kyle, or most of his subscribers, I'd recommend something entirely different.
Hey thanks for this comment! I Appreciate the thoughts here. no disrespect to the melitta, tho I’m not sure I follow your argument? Maybe you could clarify? Is it a matter of value? Or are you suggesting the melitta is easier to use?
If it’s value, you can find plastic V60’s for $10-12. Even the ceramic is 25-35.
I was rambling a bit, wasn't I.
My main argument is that, for the person just getting started with great coffee, the grinder is much more important than the dripper. Any dripper will work with a good grinder, but a poor grinder won't be helped by even the best dripper.
The Melitta is accessible and low cost. Paired with a good burr grinder, it will make very good coffee.
Hi guys, I've got a V60 for my wife and I and a 10 cup Melitta Pour Over when people are around. I've managed to get almost equality good brews from both. I drilled a couple of extra holes in thr Melitta to increase draw down and we're enjoying the brew and impressing friends.
Love the Melitta, a super great brewer, excellent value and it makes delicious coffee. A win win
Kyle you've got to try out the aeropress 'no press' pour over method for your pour over comparison! Would love to see what you think 😛
The real Sprometheus made a quick video on it and I've tried it once, but don't have much to compare it to
you have to do this test over with the Lilly Drip !!
Hario Woodneck is my daily driver. can't recommend it enough; it's severely overlooked and underrated
Question regarding grinders: I’m currently using my Breville Barista Express and while it’s been good as my first espresso machine, I’m looking to upgrade (well actually having a house built and using that as an excuse to buy everything new....lol). I’m going to go with the Lelit Mara X PL62X Heat Exchange Espresso Machine and will need a grinder. Now I don’t typically do matchy-matchy but for some reason I want to keep the brand consistent in this case so I’m thinking about getting the Lelit PLO44MM Fred Stepless Doserless Grinder. I think it’s beautiful to look at and would match perfectly with the simplicity and design of the Mara X. Now with ALLLLLLLLL that being said....lol....do you think that’s a good entry level grinder that would enable the Mara X to pull great shots of espresso?
Love your channel and content Bro....keep up the great work! 👍🏼
-Chris
When will you be reviewing the Stagg X / XF Dripper ?
I actually bought the AeroPress first, because I brewed filter coffee mostly when I was travelling having an espresso machine at home. After getting into filter coffee and liking it, I then decided to buy the V60 simply because it’s the most common with the most brew recipes on UA-cam. After brewing with it for a while now and liking the different styles, I now also bought an April brewer as a flat brewer option. I hope this will be it now! 😅
Are you still working on the battle of the pour over dropper video you mention around 2:43?
This is our second K-Classic. We had our first one for many years, so when we had to replace it, we wanted nothing else but this exact ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxBrV-RbF5Nk0Rlt9i15aao-YMzqzTG8Vf model. We use it for about three people everyday in the morning. The taste and quick brew is one of the reasons we like it so much. There are so many choices of brands of coffee that we would grab what was on sale and test the different brands from there. I would definitely recommend trying different brands of coffee to find the ones you like the most because there are brands that quite frankly taste horrible.
I’d buy kalitha because I like more sweetie taste and heavy body coffee thanks for your incredible video I already hit the bottom
love all ur vids!
My daily driver is a coin flip between interverted Aeropress brews or my glass Kalita Wave 185, I keep thinking about trying the V60 but also feel like "is that too much coffee equipment" haha. Maybe in a year or two when I want to try something new I'll go for the V60.
Hi Kyle, where can I find the coffee you used in the video?
I’ve gotten some good cups on my wave. I want to buy the v60 too!
Love these vids even though I'm a heretic. No recipes. No weighing. Boil water in a simple kettle. Still, that Kalita gives me the rich profile I look for in a second wave style cup of coffee. Richness. Defs not down with the youngsters and their sock water. But love their enthusiasm and dedication to perfection.
I'm looking to get my first brewing device for pour over and this video is perfect for that.
Am I wrong in assuming that the Hario switch would be the best purchase since it's basically a V60 ( so it would be redundant to get both the V60 and the switch ) with the extra possibility to use as an immersion brewer ??
Plastic V60 plus a Drip Assist. No need for a gooseneck kettle so similar results can be had on the cheap. The Bonmac ceramic dripper and the brand's #2 bamboo filters is a good choice too, especially for beginners. Either device with an inexpensive kettle for
Do you feel as much a difference between brewers? Can it not be accounted for by just grinding coarser or finer? Filter paper thickness will surely matter, but flow rate restriction..idk
I think I'm going with the porcelain kalita wave after much deliberation. I just really like the look and these are all cheap enough I can always try more later.
The porcelain/ceramic Kalita is my fave.
@@Dorito230 I got the 155 and like it a lot so far. v60 still is my favorite
Did you adjust the grind size to work optimally for each of the different pour over brewers?
I dialled in each, but still wanted to keep them close as changing the grind too drastically would defeat the purpose of this test. We'll go into this topic deeper in another video :)
i had a bialetti chemex style carafe that came with a metal filter for a couple years. the next thing i bought for pour over was a hario switch
The wave with a gabi master b is my current preferred set up.
Clever Dripper! You can't fk it up, man. Immersion + Filter combo in one dripper is just simple and easy, with replicable results and very forgiving. You can also place it on a decanter or easily detach the bottom part to use it as a standard dripper.
I've read and seen demos that the glass kalita wave has a much faster draw down time compared to its ceramic and metal brothers.
I have a V60 and love it. Looking to buy something to brew with when having guests over. Would a large Origami be the same as a Chemex for multiple drinks?
Likely not. I’d say go for a Kalita wave 185, Chemex or batch brewer for larger brews!
As a novice to good quality coffee drinking and used to drinking coffee like Sumatra, Colombian or Brazilian from basic store brands Peets, Seattle's Best, etc via basic drip machine; which would you recommend as a first pour over to use and gain better appreciation for coffee?
I have not used the Origami. I learned to do pourovers on the V60 before the Wave came out and use a 15:1 ratio to make a 12 oz cup. The V60 is very grind dependent and you need to adjust the grind for different types of beans.and am wondering if the Origami is the same due to the large hole. I noticed that it appears that both the Origami and the V60 are ceramic and you chose the SS 185 Wave. SS vs Ceramic will definitely result in a taste difference one not better than the other just different. Another thing is that the best Wave to use for a single cup is the 155 although it takes more technique. I recently purchased a Phin Filter which I'm sure you know is how the Vietnamese brew coffee. I do not use anything other than coffee and water in it and prefer my coffee black. For my palate this is the best although it's definitely more of a hassle. There's no paper to taint (for lack of a better word) the taste. I don't know if they make ceramic Phin filters but I'm sure someone probably does. Might have to get an Origami for my pourover dripper collection. I think I have at least 7 different ones.
Excellent video!!!
I would like to have seen a blind test, but it sounds like all 3 are pretty good picks. I feel like the chemex gets no love lol
With the origami can it be used the generic filters from electrical coffee makers?
i love your videos so much ❤
I appreciate that! I’m happy to make them!
I have been trying to find a pour-over that would give my coffee sweetness, I am not a big fan of acidity. I am going to give the Kalita Wave a try.
Good idea. In my experience I think Kalita accentuates sweetness better. I also find it more forgiving on pour technique, and easier to avoid bitter flavors. This is compared to V60.
You should know Aeropress also can be used as a dripper with the advantage of no bypass. And the only dripper I will choose is Hario V60 Immersion Dripper SWITCH.
If you have money, I would suggest getting a hario switch. You got the best of two worlds at the same time. Else, if you just started with specialty coffee, get yourself a french press. It's very hard to fucked up with a french press. You'll get consistent good tasting coffee with it.
V60 been my main for over 10 years. The origami is lovely though
Did u use the same grinding measure for each method?
Great comparison! I'll probably still stick with my v60 though as I do prefer a cup with more sweetness
I really like my Chemex, but 1) I think it looks stylish sitting on the floating shelves above my coffee station, and 2) I don’t brew small amounts of coffee. If I want small I turn to the espresso machine. So it works for me. All that being said, a Large version of the Origami in a signature color like red would be welcomed.
I was going to say exactly that. I brew larger quantities at a time, because I tend to drink more coffee, and because I’m brewing for more than just myself. That being said, the Chemex does still have its drawbacks, but for a one size fits all solution, I think it takes the cake for sure. And it just looks awesome
Kalita Wave for the win! indestructible and longevity is key imo plus filters are
dirt cheap
Right on!
Which cheap filters do you use?
Great video!! I would also buy the Origami!
Thank you! Glad you agree.
I would go with the Origami as well. The most versatile of the three for sure
Glad you agree friend!
Where do you guys actually buy the Ceramic Origami ?
which brand of origami filter do you have?
UGH! I just ordered the Fellow Stagg kettle and the fellow Stagg pour over. I hopeI did the right thing
Oh you’ll love both! Don’t regret either! The intention of this video is to be a guide, not a rule 🤟🏼
When's the "battle of the pour-over drippers" video mentioned at @2:40 coming out?
V60 for me. Brews decent coffee and I'm not buggering around with hot liquid using something without a handle.
Stainless Steel Kalita 185. Have mine for 10 years…dishwasher, camping, travel, always works. Coffee tastes very good.
Does it not have problems? I read reviews on Amazon about that specific model and there seemed to be people having problems
Would you say the origami may be under extracted compared to the v60?
great video!
Out of all my dripper (which isn't that many), my go-to has always been Timemore B75. It gives me the best balanced cup and it has a very fast draw down. Granted, I felt that my preference is towards the taste of flat-bottom brewer. I haven't tried origami (planning to) but i heard Kalita Wave is prone to stalling so i'm rather avoiding it.
Wait ... Faster flow rate= more acid? I thought the opposite was true? Or am I thinking astringent?
Which filter do you like for leaving the least fines in your cup?
Uhh Hario V60 switch, like a Clever dripper, with a V60. Looks good easy to use and clean.
Origami is great, but too darn fragile to use daily, and I have the wooden stand so it makes me not want to use it, takes forever to wait for it to cool down carefully wash it, and clean it.
Kalita Wave is good for some coffee, but not all, and filters are considerably costlier.
I been trying out the Timemore Crystal Eye, bought it cheap to hit free shipping, pretty good actually, I like the design, very different, it doesn't push the filter out and a lot less fragile, very thick all things considered, and looks flashy.
You can use the stagg filters on the origami
Did you ever do that battle if the pour overs video yet? 🤔
What happened to the comparison with the Fellow pour over?
Call me a traditionalist, but coming from years of French Press and Aero Press, I’m not terribly fond of my coffee tasting like tea 😂😂 Happy I got the Kalita Wave.
Would you say your cups are better with the Wave VS the aeropress? I'm trying to choose a pour over method and while I want to taste the subtle tasting notes on the bag I'm not particularly fond of "thin" textured cups.
@@jeffburling7224 To be honest, it might not be the best comparison. You’ll be able to extract far more nuances and flavor with the wave. And its very easy to beef up the results (dose, grind size, etc). There are good recipes for the aero press that can get you great flavors, but I don’t think any could compare to the wave in that regard. However, what you get with the aero press is basically unlimited diversity and what you can do with it. Basic brew, more subtlety-geared recipes, being able to make very concentrated coffees, vary texture with paper or metal filters, and even faux espresso (which in a milk drink is perfectly tasty). I’m sure there are cold brew recipes out there too. AND it’s portable and easy to clean. So if it’s your first brewer I would say go aero press. It’s truly the best all-arounder/desert island brewer. But if you are specifically wanting to just taste flavor profiles, get the wave.
Here's another versatile dripper to add into the collection: Torch Mountain dripper
Kalita is best beginner pour over imo, it’s extremely forgiving. Get the glass over the metal to avoid over-extraction.
Even more body with the Origami and Wave filters. Then Kalita sort of tastes a bit tea like in body. Perfect for Kenyan coffees I must say.
I like the Kalita the best, but I find it so hard to get a consistent cup out of it. When it’s good it’s the best pour over coffee I’ve ever had, but sometimes it just comes out under or over extracted despite the same process being followed. Need more practice I guess. Clever dripper is the best for solid consistency in a pour over style brewer in my experience, but my daily driver is always the Aeropress.
that's sort of funny, because I gennerally find the Kalita to be a more forgiving brewer because of it's flat bottom, steep edge, and slower drip rate.
Are you using the stock stainless steel? I’d look into putting some sort of screen in the bottom so the paper doesn’t accidentally clog one of the holes during brews! Also I should note that the glass and ceramic versions apparently drain much faster and are less prone to stalling. I got fed up with walking on eggshells (after 9+years brewing on it haha), and just drilled each hole 1mm wider. It’s been much easier to control the brew time, and thus dial-in ever since!