I just started using the Stan Onnex Clicker. Everyone finding it hard to pull high poundage and a difficult consistency to your shot with an index trigger, come Spring dump it and get this or some version of a thumb button release. It now allows me to pull 73 lbs with 85% let off because of the leverage position and alignment of your arms. Prior to this I could not pull over 62-65 lbs and bicep tendon soreness. The method you show for the Onnex clicker works very well for me and I have only had this release for a couple of months. It takes discipline to keep your thumb from immediately touching the trigger and I have had inadvertent firing, but working on my thumb to ring finger touching through the release of tension method I began before watching this video greatly reduces any unintentional firing. I confirm your last method it works and greatly increases elbow to grip alignment. I now am using all the right muscles from draw to release and no pain in my shoulder. Everyone should shoot this way for health and accuracy. Btw, I am 54 and feel like I can compound shoot for another several years, when I thought I was starting to have to reduce my poundage and move to crossbow. Go hunting and shoot straight bowhunters!
Thank you. Very well explained. My accuracy substantially increased immediately. Just got a thumb release a couple of days ago to replace my wrist strap trigger. Glad that I made the switch.
@@rickadams9 no. You may have to adjust your peep height depending on your anchor point, but your draw length should only need changed if it wasn’t set at the proper length to begin with. With time, you should be able to swap between both styles of releases interchangeably without making changes to your bow.
I've been shooting an idex Release my whole bow shooting life. I've struggled with target panic over the years and now I finally decided to try a thumb button. Your video was very informative and helpful. Thank you.
Awesome! Thank you. I recommend you watch this video as changing releases won’t solve the issue unless you put in the proper practice to do so. ua-cam.com/video/F2Gi00hBSNg/v-deo.htmlsi=tC1prdI4vhroywL0
Thank you very much, nice video! I shot for many years with the wrist release, now I'm switching to the thumb release, and your video was very explanatory, greetings from Brazil!
Dude I'm so grateful , your delivery helps explain the art of archery well 🙏 . I'm a year in Recurve ,English long bow shooting , and I'm ecstatic on my return of effort. This channel is very helpful
Thank you for this great video. Another one infact. I found the second version, expanding the hand to be the best, however, this requires to be able to build pressure/tension with the back muscles as you stretch your hand. I find this very difficult in tournament. I have it working 40% of the time for the time being and wonder whether this could be related to my draw length. By all means, thank you for what you do, This is my only way to learn and I get a lot of inspiration from your videos. I can only thank you so much for bringing all this to me.
I use a hybrid method of relaxing my hand and rotational pressure as I pull through the shot with an Onne X clicker. Love shooting this release. Keep up the good work!
Nice video. Iv used a thumb release for 13 years and I simply hit I like a trigger .however it's the point of release that becomes instinctive with practice ,given your bow tune abd sights are true .
Great video! I'm thinking of trying out a thumb button (currently shooting a wrist strap) because I was able to pick up one up at a good price. Your video offers a great explanation of how to use these. Thanks for sharing!
Great video !! I have switched from an index to the Stan Onnex click. It does make you slow down and think about your shot process. It has made me way more consistent in my shooting. It takes some time getting used to and is pricey but well worth it.
Did not like the thumb method with my Carter wise choice and couldn’t get comfortable with the push pull method. Purchased an Onnex click a couple weeks ago and the thumb method feels really good! Something about having a little bit of travel to let you know you are building pressure followed by the click helps me slow down. Great video!
I have used the build pressure with thumb method for 2 seasons now with the Stan Onnex thumb button. (Non clicker) it has greatly improved my groups after switching from a wrist strap trigger release. Very happy with this method. I have shot a lot of pistol and rifle, and building steady pressure on the trigger makes the most sense to me out of all the methods.
Thanks really need methods like this. Looking for a new thumb button and need some practice. Had a few mistakes with my thumb release and lost some expensive arrows. I’m a newbie still learning thanks. 🙏🏽
I find sqeezing the trigger while maintaining tension on the backwall works best as it doesnt change your setpoint as if you pulked back with your elbow
Recently switched to the ultraview UB button and what I’ve found after tuning it to my hand. ( I’ve found that having a lighter thumb barrel weight. With the thumb barrel being more forward and having a consistent slow. Pull I’ve had. Much Tighter groundings since I made the switch! And it’s only about my knuckles
I started with an index and was building the horrible habit of “punching” the trigger. I watched this video and switched to the regular onnex. The second method is what I found to work the best for me. I attempted the first but would end up slightly pulling the string away from my face. This caused an inconsistency and was distracting me from focusing on my target. The second is almost a natural pull away. I adjusted the trigger so that my thumb will just touch my index. Mentally this tells me to relax and pull. I don’t even think about it once the touch. Just focus on my target
First one I ever seen do that relax Style with George Riles that's where I learned it and I do the same thing when it comes to a hinge I kind of just start to relax my finger and boom
I enjoyed ur video since I’m new to the thumb button release for my bow. Very helpful and I will practice ur suggestions. I will probably stick with the ring finger pressure since I think for me it will be the best. Keep up the informative videos and stay well. Ps. I just recently ordered a Mathew’s Image set at 50 lbs and can’t wait to get it👍
I’m still shooting the tension release right now. I’m gonna transition to a thumb release soon, but not really sure what method I will go to. I really like the surprised shot I get from the tension release, and I feel like a lot of people still use the pull thru backtension method for the thumb button as well.
@@OnTheMUV-PerformanceAndPurpose pretty natural for me to just have built up tension in my index finger with my thumb placed on the handle of the release. I then transition to the barrel once I’m on target. I don’t find this way comfortable with any other release outside of the UV, but it works well for it so that’s what I prefer on it. Other thumb buttons I have my thumb squeezed towards my pinky away from the thumb barrel when drawing so I don’t have an misfire.
I have only used a wrist strap and recently picked up the bad habit of slapping the trigger. I just can’t keep from doing it! I’m seriously considering a thumb button just to start fresh and hope to overcome this
@@jefferyshoults5000 if you’re committed to overcoming it, check out this video and follow the process. Changing releases helps, and once you’ve overcome it, you can execute properly with any type of release. ua-cam.com/video/F2Gi00hBSNg/v-deo.htmlsi=qEfcmKUKXmWLFPlI
I really like increasing my back tension as I shoot as the primary way I activate the shot. But... It's easy to move too slowly during the shot. If that happens I switch to increasing pressure on my ring finger. So far it's been an effective one-two punch to get me through some difficult shots.
I shoot the same release it just feels good but I use kinda both methods I tighten my thumb around the barrel and pull and squeeze until it goes off it really helped me overcome target panic
@@garymatyok I wouldn’t say I have this figured out on where the “perfect” setting is quite yet, but as of my time behind it I prefer more movement to get to the click, with a firm but not heavy tension to get it to fire. Seems to work the best in hunting scenarios for me so far, but I’m sure it’s personal preference more than anything.
Instead of moving my ring finger, I find if I wrap my thumb around the barrel a little more, I can almost literally just think about opening my pointer finger and for some reason that causes my thumb to move enough to fire the release
I use relaxing hand method. Going to try ring finger style. Love videos like this you do an excellent job explaining things. Tried using thumb pressure method but it was to inconsistent for me. Keep how to videos coming, been shooting 62 years and still learning. 🏹🏹🦌🦌🏔️🏕️🦃
Another thing that helps with consistency is a small brass kisser button. Not the big ones, just a little one. I notice with your string angle that it wouldn’t work tho since you run your string higher on your face
Are these methods the same for a caliper-jaw style thumb release? I have a Hot Shot Vapor I can’t seem to get used to and find myself always going back to my Wiseguy. I wonder if the sear mechanism is what I’m missing with my thumb button.
@@markfulcher5532 yes, they will function the same, but perhaps try a different thumb button just to get a different feel and see if it makes a difference.
@@BowOnlyOutdoors thanks for the reply. I feel like a moron because I had no idea my Hot Shot had a travel adjustment. I took all the travel out of it and it is much better now. Not only that but I got a different thumb button with a sear and it’s my go-to now after working out some bugs with it. Thanks for the info. Love the videos.
@@markfulcher5532 keep up the good work! You don’t know what you don’t know so just have to keep educating yourself and trying different things to find out what works best for you!
This will depend on a number of factors. I can shoot both interchangeably without issue, but if your wrist strap is long, it’s likely you’ll need to adjust the peep to shoot a handheld.
I find that contacting the barrel with my thumb and pulling the same way every time is my biggest challenge because I'm focussed on the pin. I try to break up my sequence into the setting up and aiming part and then move on to part two, the release part. I feel like I have the most anxiety to punch it when the pin settles dead center on the target and barely moves and I have mentality like, I need to get this shot off now! As far as how I activate the release, I try to choke up just a little on the barrel and then just gently pull and it fires. Curious where you set the force on your button. I'm one half turn from the lightest setting.
I have this problem too. I've come a long way by reducing and listening to Joel Turner. He addresses this topic in everything I've seen or heard from him.
@@torreyintahoe set your trigger heavier so you have to work through it. Watch our learn archery “the process- how to shoot with back tension” video and it will help if you follow the steps
I just got the UV button last week & trying to transition to it from an index. I prefer the first method you describe or "squeezing a fist". I too noticed that the fletching is about even with the corner of my mouth which seems like I should probably shorten my draw length. I'm not crazy about losing draw length TBH. Do you think that anchor point is too far back?
Thinking about trying out a Thumb Release but don’t want to spend $300 and not like the results/ or can’t get the hang of it. Any suggestions for a first time out on a Thumb release as far as a model?
If you have a bow shop locally they might have some you could try. Or a fellow archer at the range. I have a Wise Guy and I love it compared to the trigger style release.
ok pin on target but when i focus on presure on release..pin moved :( ..so i m training to hold on target for atleast of 3 to 4 seconds..its works but inconsistance..continue to get the consistancyyy now..
Thanks. So the way you use the tool…instead of “thumb trigger” , you use it reversely to rotate the tool to HIT THE OBJECT a to trigger…… Hum….new way of thinking. Thanks. I will give it a try!😮
I don't know what happened to Your finger nail, but it must be really hurts ;) I would like to take this opportunity to say that you have great videos, I have bookmarked most of them. For example, "20 steps..." is like a bible. Everything condensed without unnecessary bull**it. Simply awesome!
I just started using the Stan Onnex Clicker. Everyone finding it hard to pull high poundage and a difficult consistency to your shot with an index trigger, come Spring dump it and get this or some version of a thumb button release. It now allows me to pull 73 lbs with 85% let off because of the leverage position and alignment of your arms. Prior to this I could not pull over 62-65 lbs and bicep tendon soreness. The method you show for the Onnex clicker works very well for me and I have only had this release for a couple of months. It takes discipline to keep your thumb from immediately touching the trigger and I have had inadvertent firing, but working on my thumb to ring finger touching through the release of tension method I began before watching this video greatly reduces any unintentional firing. I confirm your last method it works and greatly increases elbow to grip alignment. I now am using all the right muscles from draw to release and no pain in my shoulder. Everyone should shoot this way for health and accuracy. Btw, I am 54 and feel like I can compound shoot for another several years, when I thought I was starting to have to reduce my poundage and move to crossbow. Go hunting and shoot straight bowhunters!
Thank you. Very well explained. My accuracy substantially increased immediately.
Just got a thumb release a couple of days ago to replace my wrist strap trigger.
Glad that I made the switch.
I'm so glad you're finding it helpful!
Did you have to adjust the draw length and or peep when you switched ?
@@rickadams9 no. You may have to adjust your peep height depending on your anchor point, but your draw length should only need changed if it wasn’t set at the proper length to begin with. With time, you should be able to swap between both styles of releases interchangeably without making changes to your bow.
@@BowOnlyOutdoors I'm going to give handheld a try. I know it will take time to get use to. Thanks for getting back. Have a good new year.
I've been shooting an idex Release my whole bow shooting life. I've struggled with target panic over the years and now I finally decided to try a thumb button. Your video was very informative and helpful.
Thank you.
Awesome! Thank you. I recommend you watch this video as changing releases won’t solve the issue unless you put in the proper practice to do so.
ua-cam.com/video/F2Gi00hBSNg/v-deo.htmlsi=tC1prdI4vhroywL0
I still shoot a wrist type release but definitely interested in the thumb trigger release. Thanks for the information. Very well presented.
Thank you very much, nice video! I shot for many years with the wrist release, now I'm switching to the thumb release, and your video was very explanatory, greetings from Brazil!
Dude I'm so grateful , your delivery helps explain the art of archery well 🙏 . I'm a year in Recurve ,English long bow shooting , and I'm ecstatic on my return of effort. This channel is very helpful
You are good and clear my friend: All your method works very well, we just need to executed properly. Thank you.
Thank you for this great video. Another one infact. I found the second version, expanding the hand to be the best, however, this requires to be able to build pressure/tension with the back muscles as you stretch your hand. I find this very difficult in tournament. I have it working 40% of the time for the time being and wonder whether this could be related to my draw length. By all means, thank you for what you do, This is my only way to learn and I get a lot of inspiration from your videos. I can only thank you so much for bringing all this to me.
I use a hybrid method of relaxing my hand and rotational pressure as I pull through the shot with an Onne X clicker. Love shooting this release. Keep up the good work!
Nice video. Iv used a thumb release for 13 years and I simply hit I like a trigger .however it's the point of release that becomes instinctive with practice ,given your bow tune abd sights are true .
Still learning! Trying to get good with the thumb button release thanks.🙏🏽
Great video! I'm thinking of trying out a thumb button (currently shooting a wrist strap) because I was able to pick up one up at a good price. Your video offers a great explanation of how to use these. Thanks for sharing!
Great video !!
I have switched from an index to the Stan Onnex click. It does make you slow down and think about your shot process. It has made me way more consistent in my shooting. It takes some time getting used to and is pricey but well worth it.
Just did the same. Love it.
Did not like the thumb method with my Carter wise choice and couldn’t get comfortable with the push pull method. Purchased an Onnex click a couple weeks ago and the thumb method feels really good! Something about having a little bit of travel to let you know you are building pressure followed by the click helps me slow down. Great video!
Thank you for this video. It really helped me get out of some very bad target panic I have been struggling with. Love the channel.
@@sstaz22 we’re so glad you’ve found it helpful! Thank you for the comment and thank you for watching.
I follow the Joel Turner method with the Stan Onnex clicker.
I have used the build pressure with thumb method for 2 seasons now with the Stan Onnex thumb button. (Non clicker) it has greatly improved my groups after switching from a wrist strap trigger release. Very happy with this method. I have shot a lot of pistol and rifle, and building steady pressure on the trigger makes the most sense to me out of all the methods.
Thanks really need methods like this. Looking for a new thumb button and need some practice. Had a few mistakes with my thumb release and lost some expensive arrows. I’m a newbie still learning thanks. 🙏🏽
Stan C for me. Super helpful to slow me down.
I find sqeezing the trigger while maintaining tension on the backwall works best as it doesnt change your setpoint as if you pulked back with your elbow
Recently switched to the ultraview UB button and what I’ve found after tuning it to my hand. ( I’ve found that having a lighter thumb barrel weight. With the thumb barrel being more forward and having a consistent slow. Pull I’ve had. Much Tighter groundings since I made the switch! And it’s only about my knuckles
lol, just woke up from a nap and bingo! Here we are. Now, if I could just follow directions. 👍👍
I started with an index and was building the horrible habit of “punching” the trigger. I watched this video and switched to the regular onnex. The second method is what I found to work the best for me. I attempted the first but would end up slightly pulling the string away from my face. This caused an inconsistency and was distracting me from focusing on my target. The second is almost a natural pull away. I adjusted the trigger so that my thumb will just touch my index. Mentally this tells me to relax and pull. I don’t even think about it once the touch. Just focus on my target
First one I ever seen do that relax Style with George Riles that's where I learned it and I do the same thing when it comes to a hinge I kind of just start to relax my finger and boom
I enjoyed ur video since I’m new to the thumb button release for my bow. Very helpful and I will practice ur suggestions. I will probably stick with the ring finger pressure since I think for me it will be the best. Keep up the informative videos and stay well. Ps. I just recently ordered a Mathew’s Image set at 50 lbs and can’t wait to get it👍
Glad it was helpful and enjoy your new bow!
I’m still shooting the tension release right now. I’m gonna transition to a thumb release soon, but not really sure what method I will go to. I really like the surprised shot I get from the tension release, and I feel like a lot of people still use the pull thru backtension method for the thumb button as well.
@@brettbuckmaster5128 don’t be afraid to stick with the tension release either!
love this channel. Congrats on the marriage btw! Looked like a awesome day
Awesome video! Any chance you could do a quick video on how you’re drawing the bow with a thumb button? Specifically the UV as you are here!
@@OnTheMUV-PerformanceAndPurpose pretty natural for me to just have built up tension in my index finger with my thumb placed on the handle of the release. I then transition to the barrel once I’m on target. I don’t find this way comfortable with any other release outside of the UV, but it works well for it so that’s what I prefer on it.
Other thumb buttons I have my thumb squeezed towards my pinky away from the thumb barrel when drawing so I don’t have an misfire.
I have only used a wrist strap and recently picked up the bad habit of slapping the trigger. I just can’t keep from doing it! I’m seriously considering a thumb button just to start fresh and hope to overcome this
@@jefferyshoults5000 if you’re committed to overcoming it, check out this video and follow the process. Changing releases helps, and once you’ve overcome it, you can execute properly with any type of release.
ua-cam.com/video/F2Gi00hBSNg/v-deo.htmlsi=qEfcmKUKXmWLFPlI
I really like increasing my back tension as I shoot as the primary way I activate the shot. But... It's easy to move too slowly during the shot. If that happens I switch to increasing pressure on my ring finger. So far it's been an effective one-two punch to get me through some difficult shots.
Technique with thumb makes sense. Nice breakdown of the options. Does that draw length look a tad too long with face pressure on that still image?
@@jons7e shoots well for me 🤷🏼♂️ I think the thumbnail photo may make it look worse than it is.
I shoot the same release it just feels good but I use kinda both methods I tighten my thumb around the barrel and pull and squeeze until it goes off it really helped me overcome target panic
Great video. Great up close to help us understand.
Any chance you can do a video on how you set your onnex clicker for the tension/travel? Great videos!
This! Yes. Great suggestion. I'd very much enjoy this, too.
Same here, I shoot a Stan Onnex Clicker and would love to improve the travel and performance as much as possible.
@@garymatyok I wouldn’t say I have this figured out on where the “perfect” setting is quite yet, but as of my time behind it I prefer more movement to get to the click, with a firm but not heavy tension to get it to fire. Seems to work the best in hunting scenarios for me so far, but I’m sure it’s personal preference more than anything.
Great content I'm trying it out tomorrow God bless
Yes keep on making videos like this very helpful
Any help I can get to be coming a better bow hunter I would appreciate it a great deal thank you very much😊
What GoPro mount do you have on your bow??
Instead of moving my ring finger, I find if I wrap my thumb around the barrel a little more, I can almost literally just think about opening my pointer finger and for some reason that causes my thumb to move enough to fire the release
299 in Vegas here I come 🤪😇 😇 wait I shoot a hinge utilizing your hinge method You guys rock
I thought the clicker would be great also . However, after 9 months of working with it, I found that it caused more problems .
Its a great release, i just set it up without a click
I use relaxing hand method. Going to try ring finger style. Love videos like this you do an excellent job explaining things. Tried using thumb pressure method but it was to inconsistent for me. Keep how to videos coming, been shooting 62 years and still learning. 🏹🏹🦌🦌🏔️🏕️🦃
Another thing that helps with consistency is a small brass kisser button. Not the big ones, just a little one. I notice with your string angle that it wouldn’t work tho since you run your string higher on your face
Are these methods the same for a caliper-jaw style thumb release? I have a Hot Shot Vapor I can’t seem to get used to and find myself always going back to my Wiseguy. I wonder if the sear mechanism is what I’m missing with my thumb button.
@@markfulcher5532 yes, they will function the same, but perhaps try a different thumb button just to get a different feel and see if it makes a difference.
@@BowOnlyOutdoors thanks for the reply. I feel like a moron because I had no idea my Hot Shot had a travel adjustment. I took all the travel out of it and it is much better now. Not only that but I got a different thumb button with a sear and it’s my go-to now after working out some bugs with it. Thanks for the info. Love the videos.
@@markfulcher5532 keep up the good work! You don’t know what you don’t know so just have to keep educating yourself and trying different things to find out what works best for you!
I do have one question going from an index to a thumb button. Do you need to adjust your peep?
This will depend on a number of factors. I can shoot both interchangeably without issue, but if your wrist strap is long, it’s likely you’ll need to adjust the peep to shoot a handheld.
I find that contacting the barrel with my thumb and pulling the same way every time is my biggest challenge because I'm focussed on the pin. I try to break up my sequence into the setting up and aiming part and then move on to part two, the release part. I feel like I have the most anxiety to punch it when the pin settles dead center on the target and barely moves and I have mentality like, I need to get this shot off now! As far as how I activate the release, I try to choke up just a little on the barrel and then just gently pull and it fires. Curious where you set the force on your button. I'm one half turn from the lightest setting.
I have this problem too. I've come a long way by reducing and listening to Joel Turner. He addresses this topic in everything I've seen or heard from him.
@@torreyintahoe set your trigger heavier so you have to work through it. Watch our learn archery “the process- how to shoot with back tension” video and it will help if you follow the steps
Great info here boys
I just got the UV button last week & trying to transition to it from an index. I prefer the first method you describe or "squeezing a fist". I too noticed that the fletching is about even with the corner of my mouth which seems like I should probably shorten my draw length. I'm not crazy about losing draw length TBH. Do you think that anchor point is too far back?
@@ww-fk2lr no issues with draw length or anchor with my UV Button
Thinking about trying out a Thumb Release but don’t want to spend $300 and not like the results/ or can’t get the hang of it. Any suggestions for a first time out on a Thumb release as far as a model?
Pick one up used and you can typically sell it for close to what you paid for it if you don’t like it.
If you have a bow shop locally they might have some you could try. Or a fellow archer at the range. I have a Wise Guy and I love it compared to the trigger style release.
Truball has a few for a good price... not 300
Your awesome dude 👍
What UV thumb release do you prefer? Thank you.
They only make one.
Do you feel like you have to shorten your DL when using the UV button? Maybe just the loop length?
@@claytonchristensen4494 I can shoot them interchangeably but I do feel the difference at full draw.
ok pin on target but when i focus on presure on release..pin moved :( ..so i m training to hold on target for atleast of 3 to 4 seconds..its works but inconsistance..continue to get the consistancyyy now..
@@kk232r try doing it up really close to a big target to train yourself to get comfortable with that pin movement.
What did you do to your hand you nail is black and blue
@@isaiah3898 smashed it on a work trip
@@BowOnlyOutdoors how did you pull that off
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+1 for the onnex clicker
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Thanks. So the way you use the tool…instead of “thumb trigger” , you use it reversely to rotate the tool to HIT THE OBJECT a to trigger……
Hum….new way of thinking. Thanks. I will give it a try!😮
Correct, I hope you find it helpful!
I don't know what happened to Your finger nail, but it must be really hurts ;) I would like to take this opportunity to say that you have great videos, I have bookmarked most of them. For example, "20 steps..." is like a bible. Everything condensed without unnecessary bull**it. Simply awesome!
@@countdooku5703 thank you! I’m glad you’ve found them helpful and we appreciate your support!
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