Is Eastern Medicine Stuck In The Past?
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- Опубліковано 13 тра 2024
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It’s a weird dynamic between these two doctors, it feels like they’re both interviewing each other at the same time lol
I loved it. Definitely would want to see more collabs between these two. Dr. Mike has great critical thinking skills and questioning, but Dr. K's emotional intelligence is what made this difficult conversation tolerable. It could've definitely gone wrong and become hostile, but Dr. K. stopped that from happening.
That makes sense. That's why it's so interesting to watch! 😄
Lol you mean a conversation? But yeah they both ask smart questions
@@CheriTheBery yep. Dr Mike seems preety triggered against eastern medicine techniques.
😂😂
@@CheriTheBery I don't think that was just Dr. K, Dr Mike also has pretty incredible emotional intelligence from his time also being a doctor
Notice how both of them are trying to understand each other, that’s a conversation not a debate, and goddamn it we need more of that.
Debates are great.
@@Jeroen4 Sure, as long as they stay civil. That's the hard part in today's world
Nope. Debates are useless.
Nothing against Dr. Mike but in this particular conversation she did seem unnecessarily aggressive and kind of misconstrued what Dr. k was saying. I think he just got lost in the topic because he is so passionate about it.
IDK where you got that. This was ridiculously hostile against HealthyGamer. I love Dr. Mike and I'm not exactly a fan of Healthy Gamer but I got really put off by how many times Healthy Gamer tried to be like, "This is what we agree about and disagree about" and one of the things they mostly agree about is that Dr. GG has a Western Medicine degree practicing Western Medicine. And Dr. Mike just kept going, "You're stuck in the past, man!"
This is a great example of a healthy debate. A rare sight these days.
Actually I disagree. Dr Mike was conflating Dr K’s position on Ayurveda (and Eastern Medicine as a whole) with other dishonest, phony positions pretty much the entire time.
@@AN0NYM0US109 I agree with you that Dr. Mike is guilty of conflating. However, committing logical fallacies are not necessary mutually exclusive with a healthy debate. People in a good debate can fall into one without realizing it. From what I see these two professionals are acting in GOOD FAITH.
The reason why this seems like a rare occasion is simply because these two are both doctors arguing about a broad subject they two specialize in. If those two were podcasters talking about the war in Gaza the situation would be obviously different.
@@creeper7444 Dr. Mike and Dr. K are medical professionals debating a topic in their field and this fact does play a role in why they are having a healthy debate but not the only reason. I work in the mental health field and I know of highly trained and experienced professionals who do not have the decorum to conduct themselves during a debate in a professional setting.
Idk what you've been watching bro
If you haven’t watched the full podcast between Dr Mike and Dr K, I strongly recommend it. It gets heated at first, but they keep working towards understanding, and the agreement they come to is beautiful.
Where is it available?
@@dep7311 The Checkup Podcast
@@dep7311 I listened to it on Spotify but it may be on other streaming platforms. It was such a great conversation
@@dep7311 Dr Mike channel
@@dep7311 Dr Mike channel
I loved this debate and conversation! You should definitely collaborate again.
They did anither talk in the past, i recommend you to watch that one too! It was really a very interesting talk
I think the term "Western medicine" is a tragic misnomer. It's a discipline with integral contributions from all over the world including the east.
They talk about that in the full video
@@svenbtb that's not surprising. I'll have to watch the rest of the discussion next time. Thank you Sven.
Isn't that naming due to it's origins?
those contributions only happen because of the west. Know your place.
So what to do with what wasn't contributed?
This medicine has been unchanged for hundreds of years, yet recovery rates only started climbing with the advent of modern pharmacology
It's not though, because "eastern medicine" was invented by Mao during the Great Leap Forward. The whole thing is fake.
This conversation was a wild ride, i was really impressed with how doctor k handled the conversation.
I love how dr mike is calling himself biased while being biased. It's the best we can do sometimes, when being human. 😂 Like "I know I'm biased, and I'm gonna keep doing that."
And one other thing, that belongs on that differential, is, people find it comforting for psychological reasons (that aren't necessarily just culture, it might just be human) that you can't ignore even if it's wrong. If it's not actually helping people medically, but making them feel seen, that's an important part of medical science that doctors can't ignore.
Because it affects adherence and patients wanting to try it.
Im a faculty member at University and i always say may biases and skewed or limited perspectives when I givr my lectures. It opens up opportunities for disagreement and discussion between me and my students. When both parties are open and acknowledge their biases and limitations, meaningful conversations can take place
I think it's really important to do because we don't necessarily choose what we believe, we are convinced of it somehow. To acknowledge bias is to examine your beliefs and become aware of the limitations and implications of them. So to not acknowledge bias is to be ignorant of possible truth.
He wasn't biased, he was just asking and questioning Dr. K... 😑
@@amoldivo but after all his questions answered he still did not change his views that is biasedness
@@GAMINGBLAZE That's not bias 🤦♂️
Southeast asian here, literally just heard a lady said that she broke her arm and then was just told to do some kind of cleansing ritual of some sort (i forgot) to "fix" her broken arm, she said it herself that it didn't actually make much difference and she still hasn't gone to the doctor yet too so she basically just left her broken arm to (probably) fix itself
but how this works is she goes first to the shaman, THEN to the doc.
Then claims that the shaman worked or helped when it had no impact xDD
Broken bones usually heals naturally, depending on the fracture type so it varies per person and per injury
@@TechOtaku86 it doesn't heal properly tho that's kinda the problem
@@TachibanaTengoku Have you broken a bone before? They do heal naturally. You usually get some sort of fixture so it can heal peacefully. It's very interesting, you should look up how the body mends bones.
@josephreynolds2401 they didn't say that it doesn't heal "it doesn't heal properly", properly being the key word meaning if the bone is not set in the correct position and held there it might heal in a less structurally sound manner.
The biggest problem with this debate was that Dr. K and Dr. Mike agree on basically everything. It's just confusion on definitions and a difference in perspectives
Theyve got a base difference. Dr. Mike does not want eastern medicine, in its form, to b me there because of a lot of ppl practice fake stuff and all. And he does not know about that topic.
Dr. K studied alot about it, and sees its value. That value that dr. Mike does not see. Dr. K wants that value to be extracted, while preserving the history of eastern medicine,
And dr. Mike wants to get rid of something, that might be risky, for maybe people who might get struck by imposter doctors, who use pseudo science.
Dr. mike is a horrible interviewer that was in defense + attack mode and Dr k is a Harvard trained psychologist that was completely alarmed by Dr Mike being such a big pharma shill
When well-founded arguments and a respectful, nuanced view on topics are shared by people who respect eachother, listen to and care about opposing arguments sounds like agreeing, we should start to worry.
This day and age, debates have to be heated, have to be about being wrong or right, they have to rile people up. Meanwhile, we would be far better off as a species and a society just having a conversation and actually caring about the truth that probably lies somewhere in the middle of opposing sides.
This is how you truly have a debate or conversation. There's a joy and respect in learning and HEARING one another without crossing a boundary.
If everyone was to conduct conversations this way, where both parties are heard while also allowing the other to speak fully. It would change everythin. Literally.
And all it takes one anyone's part is just a simple level of respect to the person.
Thank you, for genuinely letting me see that there are people out here who just want to share something and still have the dignity everyone deserves.
That it works*
*Better than the alternative which for poorer countries or populations does not include Western medicine as an alternative
Respectfully, I have not heard of a country solely relying on ayurveda. Homeopathy is the cheaper alternative of alopathy and sometimes a mix of alopathy and ayurveda but someone trying to get their chronic illness treated by solely relying on ayurvedic medicine is dime a dozen.
Edit: added the word "treated"
@@frockkhomeopathy is cheaper cus it's so diluted its just water.
Not entirely. There are benefits to meditation, yoga, and fasting that western medicine has to adopt because it cannot produce something better. These practices persists, and are discovered in traditions all across the globe.
Or you can look at several instances where Ancient Egyptian medicine was quite advanced. They attributed it to the spiritual or mystical, but the doctors (or priests, not much of a difference at the time) that got results were those who spread their teachings further since the most expensive doctors would come to them to learn. Sometimes stuff just works, and we don’t know why, or we forget what it even works on.
Ayurveda helps to prevent illness from occurring.
Not to treat an already existing illness, thats what medicine is for.
Just as yoga etc.
If you start practicing at a young age
Then chances are very high, that you won’t struggle with that much illness in your entire life.
Western medicine in that case is usually only useful once the illness is already here.
People only go to the doctor once they are 100% ill, not before.
Except when he says western he means our best scientific understanding. Pseudo science and “remedies” are not medicine or healthcare. That’s what he’s saying. They fail to meet standards because it’s based not on recreating and showing its reliability but instead it’s just a belief kinda like thinking crystals can help your health.
This is the overlap crossover I didn't know I needed
The actual differential is "it's not even trying to improve" or "it's already perfect". If it was just "it works" then it could be improved so it would still be changing.
If traditional Eastern medicine worked it would just be called “medicine”
@@user-mo6ic7ls2pyou really oughta watch the full podcast, that was Mike's initial stance and he realizes it's reductive by the end of it
@@user-mo6ic7ls2p "If Chinese food was good for you it would just be called food"
You’re just wrong. Nothing about being “decent” requires that something be striving for improvement. Ask the leechers of old
@@Violaphobia eastern medicing can't cure everything. It could be improved in many ways. It's not changing tho. That's the problem with it.
I would say: "lack of scrutiny" should he be high up on the board
Iteration is kinda like a ball rolling over an unknown landscape. There's two reasons it could be not moving: It's in a dip, or there's too much friction.
It being in a dip represents a local extreme. Basically, you can't improve with small changes, trying to iterate just leads you back to where you are. Only a radical change could get you somewhere better, but there's no garauntee. It's not that nothing could be better, but it's the best version of the niche it's in
Friction represents the forces that stop change. These forces can be represented in a single word: Doctrine. Either excessive faith in the doctrine, or those who benefit by the doctrine, stand in the way of progress.
The reality will often be somewhere inbetween. The less the gain of incremental change is, the more chance doctrine has of maintaining status quo. And the stronger the doctrine is, the less likely there will be an attempt at a change radical enough to find the global maximum.
I'll admit I use colloquial expressions like "vibes" but I cringe when people unironically talk about "vibrations" or "frequencies". The conversations I have with people like that tend to always shoot off into muddled nonsense.
Vibrations and frequencies are the measurements we can take scientifically and there's a lot there. Certain frequencies increase growth in plants and help you heal from injury. All science seems like magic if it's sufficiently advanced
@@DRourkey And there's plenty of studies of negative ions. It doesn't mean your salt lamp is doing anything more than looking pretty.. 🤷♂️
@@tnghunter yeah sure, but when you lower your understanding of a scientific study to the dumbest people who don't know what's happening, you just lower yourself to their level.
I work producing content for therapists and in that I see there's two types of "energy people".
They're either really smart but can't communicate well with everyday people (maybe 1/30) or they're giving a "science stamp" to religious/metaphysical subjects. (tge other 29)
@@tnghunter salt lamps don't work because they don't get hot enough to expell any negative ions. Negative ions have genuine research behind it still tho
Seems like one party is seeking to understand and the other party is debating over who’s right.
Very interesting to watch 2 people who seemingly respect each other but have completely different tactics in debating and UNDERSTANDING.
I’d say you’re showing a bias because both appeared in this short to be trying to understand each other and both appeared to be speaking in a fashion of debate in some form. One was using the Socratic method and the other was showing his own skepticism of an idea while honestly and openly stating as much. They both appeared to be honest, and both appeared to be discussing in an attempt to understand each other.
@@feartheghus how am I biased if I watch and like both??
@@um2913you can still be biased that means little
@@JB-kd9wg sure but it’s pretty arrogant and in a way biased in it of itself to assume that I’m biased bc of my opinion here.
Maybe it was my word choice of seemingly. Which if I have to explain. I’m not them. I assume they respect each other but idk I can’t speak for them, hence the word choice.
You can absolutely have 2 different debating styles. In the real world there are people who will debate and talk and shit in different ways then you.
At no point did I say it was bad. We are not all the same as humans. It’s fascinating.
It’s honestly funny. Ofc the psychiatrist is seeking more to understand rather than to come to a concrete conclusion.
And ofc the medical doctor is seeking to come to a more concrete solution.
I said they respect each other they have to be listening to each other and understand each other at least a little bit to have respect for one another.
That doesn’t change the fact that in this clip you can see their different debating tactics more obviously. It’s why it seems like they’re both trying to talk over each other.
I’ve experienced both types of debaters like this in the wild before, and have been both before. There’s nothing wrong with either. But it’s good to know. There’s so many people in this comments section that thinks Mikes a dicl bc of his method when in reality it makes sense why he’s trying to come to a more solid conclusion I definitely get it.
So continue to tell me I’m biased. But respectfully it’s hilariously incorrect.
@@um2913 I’m being biased for assuming you’re being bias 100%. Nothing wrong with people thinking your bias or being bias.
i would really love to see another conversation about this, i think it's actually really important for us to look at western v eastern medicines
I think it's more a question for social science / humanities - edward saïd for example writes well about these sometimes antiquated, 'orientalised' views of western science and medicine
lads is it called a healthy debate because they're both doctors?
to break medicine into "East" and "West" is as productive as breaking down politics into "left" and "right"
Not sure I get what you're saying
@@gradientcube Eastern medicine could be any thousand of different remedies, habits, cure-alls from many different cultures across many thousands of years. Some of it was very effective, and some of it is only still around because of propaganda to keep an industry alive.
Western medicine is similar, different studies/ideas on what's effective. mind. just a more modern timeline.
Both have efficacy rates and snake-oil.
Origin shouldn't matter.
Politics is the same. Political compasses don't matter, what matters is the person running, their intent, and who pays their bills.
Who is effective and who is a snake? The political direction shouldn't matter
Completely went in then out your ear. It hasn’t changed over 500 years because it works. But seed oils and processed sugars are killing everyone, especially India.
Kinda. At least left and right indicate how one feels about hierarchy and/or justice, though they tend to be more useful as relative terms. Agreed, though, they're both vague.
"east" is more about superstitions and miracle cures, home made spiritual cure nonsense. The east hasn't made any progress in medicine, all they have is thanks to the studies they got from mostly European medicine research.
Meanwhile in the West they decided to analyze all these natural medicines and have found the properties that actually cure people, synthesized them and concentrated them in pills.
There is a reason why in places like India and China you're given some plants and stuff for minor illnesses but they have all the actual procedures for dangerous stuff.
It’s just nice seeing a conversation where people try to listen to each other even if they disagree
“Fully doesn’t work” isn’t inherently correlative with lack of refinement. It’s also significant to mention the economic shift that happens when people are told to stop trusting grandma’s home remedies, and instead trust some OTC from Walgreens that will give side effects such as depression, while supposedly helping depression.
I'm happy to have seen the full conversation. This crossover was so beautiful. Two of the most prominent youtube doctors in healthy debate. I love this and would love to see this become a regular thing.
This was such a great video, it was a real treat getting to hear these two talk with each other. Both of them are using their voice and their platform for good, and the way they debate with each other is done in such a healthy way
seems like hes not really asking questions, but rather semi rhetorical questions, he already has an idea
I really love these conversations you two have. Great to listen to.
Western medacine has also had a massive overturning of understanding because of modern technological advancements. We have germ theory and sanitization because we got the microscope. We can know what's going on inside the body without cutting it open and seeing with our own eyes by using a variety of scans. Metal refinement and crafting techniques have gotten super precise and we have long term research on what materials work the best, so we can now make body safe implants like artificial hips and pacemakers. No matter how good of an understanding they had of the body 500 years ago, they may not have been able to do much with the limited resources. But of course culture and worldview is also a factor and the catholic church supressed medical research for a long time as the best way to do it at the time was to cut up dead bodies to study anatomy. Eastern medicine does somewhat rely on technology but not to the degree of western medicine. There is acupuncture needles which must be sharp, thin, straight, and clean, thats the only example i can think of. Most of eastern medacine comes from nature. Plants, rocks, meditation, grounding, sound, color, feeling. Its also been developing for thousands of years while western medicine has been going through different phases of things that dont work. It wasnt that long ago that western medicine believed the body had four humors that needed balancing so you had to let leeches drink your blood, or that mental illness could be fixed with a lobotomy. Western medicine focuses on what could be done, eastern medicine focuses on what should be done. Both have their place and they work best when working together.
Holy shit "what's the differential for something not changing" is incredible framing.
There's not enough synergistic debate in the world, so I appreciate this.
I am confident in saying that this is THE example of what a proper debate/conversation about a topic should be. Both parties are GENUINELY looking to learn through hearing possible weaknesses in their arguments presented by the other side, BUT ALSO knowing the debate has a side that is also mutually receptive to their..."beliefs"(pre conceived notions might be a better term) being challenged and properly letting their knowledge go through the rhetorical and/or scientific process
Love when two people who went to medical school have a debate, cause they'll be like "Lemme drop a wild question at you... Whats the Differential?"
If only everyone could talk to each other this way
Absolutely, that’s what’s really tricky…the gravitas he puts on those words is key. Essentially he’s saying that that’s what he really believes, instead of keeping his mind open to the other possibilities.
Traditional medicin is basically, oh well the patient didn't die this time maybe something we did or gave him/her worked. And majority of the time it's the body fixing itself, imperfectly sure but enough for it to function again. "Traditional Chinese medicine" for example is not that traditional, as it was a concept created by Mao Zedong. The main reason why people are turning away from wester medicin even though it works is that people only see the profit driven part of it.
I mean, "Eastern medicine" so much as it exists "isn't changing" because of the market it's catering to. Western medicine is based around modernity, new technology and cutting-edge research, so it will keep changing - sometimes, even when it doesn't need to (e.g. making new drug variants just to keep patent exclusivity going). By contrast, "Eastern medicine" so to speak is based around the mythos of ancient and traditional knowledge, the wisdom of the past. It often refers to "traditional Chinese medicine", which is labeled that way for a reason. Even if Eastern medicine _was_ changing over time, it would tell you it wasn't because that's the ideology it's marketing to.
Western science is also a tradition. But it's principles are about constantly subjecting knowledge to scrutiny and changing in the light of new evidence that challances stablished knowledge.
I like to look at it as western/modern medicine being not better, but BIGGER. It can do more stuff, fix more complicated issues. But the basis of it are rooted in natural medicine. Many basic meds are made using the same natural ingredients from herbal medicine with the same active ingredient, only in an ultra-processed, condensed and commercialized form of a pill.
western chemical based interventions fundamentally dont work
90% of it is statistical manipulation and games
the rest is the random chance they find something in nature that they can copy that works
The biggest difference is the scientific process. Science is just a systematic way of testing and defining things. Most importantly it's reviewable and repeatable.
Many plants are to this day the foundation and raw source of medication. Science doesn't have it out for alternative medicine, but it has to go through systematic tests to see where it can be applied, how, and what the risks are, the full (side)effects, correct therpeutic dose, longterm effects etc is. For that reason it is processed, because you can't prove the safety, efficacy and correct therapeutic dosage of 200 compounds in just a couple of trials. So they distill the compounds down to what they do know.
I'm not going to defend the big pharma and corporate greed issues, especially in the terrible healthcare system in the US. But we do have to stay reasonable and set the same standards for alternative medicine as for evidence based medicine.
The problem with Western medicine is that as it's now it's driven by shareholder value not what's best for the patient. And most people understand that. So they are looking for help elsewhere.
I agree, hospitals are business these days. Getting paid is more important than healing people. Something needs to change in this society. It starts with us.
@@zararin3208 And why does it even have to be eastern vs Western. Is there a law somewhere that says everything has to be a competition. It's stupid. If there is more than one way to solve a problem, even better. The more the merrier. But since we have two guys arguing here, of course they have to make it a pissing contest. Alright patient, you can die in the street for now, we're getting back to you once we're finished with ou pissing contest... ;)😉😘
@@zararin3208 Oh nice my comment got deleted. Someone is touchy...
Help from elsewhere like from Baba's who tell them they can get cure of cancer from eating some stupid tablets.
Will ur ayurvedic baba replace ur kidney in case of kidney failure
@@sakibmir5360 Eastern medicine largely focuses on prevention while western medicine comes in when it's already too late.
That´s like me saying all religions are true because they have not changed...
Lack of change means dogma, usually secondary to lack of refinement - if you do not bother to know how things work, it is irrelevant to know if what you are doing is actually working.
Correct, this only isn't a problem when it goes right, it's when it goes wrong. It's all fun and games as long as they're only taking sugar pills but as long as they're stuck in dogmatic thought patterns there's no way to convince a true believer that their 5 mins of meditation isn't going to cure their cancer, even if three of their peers have already died that way.
So, most of the people supposedly raising questions in the comment section here, never actually watched the video.
Fucking love how these dudes talk to each other.
Gahd I hope to achieve Dr. K's calm demeanor. Love u too Doc Mikeeeee haha. You both are great
The way it's talked about is perhaps not the best phrase because changing how it's talked about doesn’t necessarily mean it's actually changed. And an easy explanation could be that you are listening to people with a shallow understanding of it
THANK YOU for doing an example of healthy debate!
This needs to be used to set a standard of differing opinion.
That people THINK it works. Confirmation bias is a hell of a drug.
I think the difference is more a question for social science / humanities - edward saïd for example writes well about these sometimes antiquated, 'orientalised' views of western science and medicine
Love listening to these two together
I highly recommend anyone who hasn’t seen the full debate, to see it! It’s started a bit rough but overall it was great!
I have a chronic illness and I have found the best way for me to maintain any kind of normality is to incorporate both Eastern and Western medicine into my life. They both have positives and negatives so you have to see what works for you and your condition best. Don't count one or the other out because we are fortunate enough to have access to both.
guys, dad and dad are arguing!! 😢😢😢
"That it works" He really didn't want to say that so he left it for last. 😂
i mean dude on the right was fishing for that possibility like it's a gotcha moment. dude on the left shut him down real quick with the fact that it's much more likely that it's cultural and religious indoctrination over actual evidence proving that traditional eastern medicine is in any way as good as modern western medicine. that's a false equivalence fallacy and also a strawman. also let's not mention the I to nature fallacy which is also at play.
It's because he knew that was a gotcha moment which makes no logical sense. Eastern medicine has yet to advance since centuries and is shown to be ineffective in many areas in medicine.
Okay now I’m really enjoying this channel
Yeah it’s good that they’re having a conversation but when one is defending scammers it’s kinda hard to think there should be a conversation at all?
I love this so much because it’s how philosophers once debated ideas it was to understand the other side, not demean it or pick it apart for an Aha! Moment
Ah yes, the highly effective Rhino horn salve does work wonders for my cancer.
You definitely need to watch the whole thing to understand this; as interesting as the clip is it's there to get you hooked enough to go and watch the interview (I'm assuming). From what I can remember it is genuinely a combination of most of those factors, with Dr K saying that one of the best features of modern medicine is that it's very good at admitting when it's wrong. Which I'm pretty sure Doctor Mike was like so basically the scientific method. But it is hard to just sum up
Dr K handled this guy so well. This guy was blind to his own machinations.
And that placebo is never considered the reason why it "works".
If something doesn't work when studied empirically, it doesn't work.
Three things that make an ideology unchanging would probably most often be that it is right, that it is unverifiable, or that it is ideologically resistant to reform. You can have something be flat out wrong but if it’s designed to endure without changing and the people who believe it become ideologically captured such that they’ll refuse discourse or any different ideas’ possible validity it can last for centuries. Examples of ideas or ideologies being right should be quite simple. The wheel has been a circle since a function wheel was invented and the reason isn’t due to stagnant minds or a lack of ability to prove right from wrong, it’s because a circle is just the correct form for a wheel to be in, and that’s quite obvious. Similarly, 2+2=4 and that logic has not changed either, because it is blatantly right. Unverifiable stuff includes basically anything purely subjective. You may never change a person’s mind on which ice cream flavor is best partly because there isn’t a true correct flavor, it actually is based on if they like it or not.
Would recommend watching the full interview, or at least this part of it, to see how the interaction really went.
These guys should put out more content together
Too bad this is a members only podcast episode, it's such an interesting conversation.
Dr. K I gotta say that you seem kinda jumpy in this section of poscast
this is the kind of content that should be talked about more than which streamer/youtuber did/said about other xyz person
I studied Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) and Ayurveda.
I especially find TCM to be effective and relevant in today's world, though there are some areas that are lacking or too generalized to carry over 3000 years.
I am not sure why, but I am unable to copy the link to full video description. Maybe there is other way to make it more accessible?
Loved the way Dr. K pushed forward the idea that non-European medicine, ideas, and knowledge aren't accidental and dividing their effective practices and renaming them divide them from their systems of knowledge and it means we might be losing benefits. Also it does not give other continents and systems of knowledge their due respect. There's a word for that . . .
The style of dialogue is known as “Socratic method” for anyone wondering.
Thankyou.
Yeah I'm gonna not grind up dinosaur bones and drink it when I have cancer ..... Thanks
the thing is that many things dont work, but it not working doesnt mean it doesnt help people. weird i know but placebo is a hell of a drug. i have conducted an experiment on friends once(they knew about that it was something) i gave them similair looking pills one had cafeine in them and some didnt, basically in the end it didnt matter as they all reported that they had much more energy, 1 guy who got the placebo even said he felt like he drank 5 cups of coffee. also i loved doing these projects as a laboratory student, now i work in a completelly different kind of laboratory but still it was fun to show how placebos work.
If it’s not broken, don’t fix it
Believing something works is often more or as powerful as something that actually works, thats the placebo paradox.
Now this is a healthy conversation 👌
I love that DrK was setting up DrM, and when he fell into the trap, he knew it and tried to dig his way out immediately. Still, I love the dynamic between these two!
I russia, you dont interview Dr. K... Dr. K interview you.
A big part of a lack of change, could be due, in part, to profitability...
Or people think it works by remembering when the improved on treatment and not remembering when it didn’t which I psychological phenomenon called conformational bias or just dying and living to tell the truth
Love it when Dr K said oh boy lmao because he knows that it works Dr Mike. Plain and simple.
Alternative medicine that works is medicine.
But it doesn't
I would argue if a standing philosophical health system has made people healthy and has lasted for thousands of years it’s a pretty good system
This talk is so fucking good
People want change so much, but they don't even know what they want to change. I think we should chill, we got too much change too quickly in culture and technology.
The problem I have with "eastern medicine" or what people generally mean when they say that: non scientifically backed medical practices.
Things have to be tested rigorously, with good data, testable experiments and sound methodology. Beware things which only have anecdotal support of it. I'm not saying there aren't any practices and treatments in Eastern medicine that do work. But those ones will work in western medicine as well. It's not about a western or eastern divide, it's between scientifically backed medicine and anecdotal, non-tested medicine.
The only reason "western medicine" advanced so much in the last 200 years is because the scientific method got much better. The Arabic golden age also had a similar period, although their scientific methodology was not as refined yet. Certain things Hippocrates wrote thousands of years ago still works, but most of it doesn't and or has been understood better, the causes etc. Like I said, it's between tested, scientifically backed medicine and the other non tested anecdotal stuff.
And ayyurvedic practices need to be tested extensively like everything else, and we'll see where it ends up.
If eastern medicine was so good the whole world would be doing it. The answer is cultural and religious dogma.
This is so horribly edited to be biased. I’m sorry “healthy gamer”. I have actually watched a lot of your mental health vids. But My issue with “old” medicine continuing to be correct is that there are very few complex scientific concepts that have not changed with additional understanding. Everything from our understanding of microbes to the cosmos has drastically changed in the last 500 yrs with new evidence. We cannot claim to be scientists if we don’t seriously question our reasons for holding onto old beliefs/science
Yes, but getting people to drink water and eat food when they're sick is an example of something that hasn't changed.
Yes, some things change. Clearly eastern medicine hasn't advanced a lot.
But ignoring the parts of it that work because some parts of it don't is the exact mistake that the west exploited in countries that were anti-science.
The scientific method as we know it didn't originate in the west. I believe a middle eastern guy's book ended up here. They ignored it, we didn't. That's where the scientific age started. Don't use your prejudice prevent you from accepting a good idea where it is. We can discard the bad ideas as we research further, but we first must accept the notion that some of it might be good.
But it doesn’t work. Yes, specialties help fix their specific problems, but basic medicine is broken for many years now and majority of the doctors today just do for the money without the attitude of getting to a root cause. There are so many bandaids to all of our health issues without finding a root cause.
Sometimes the doctor is the problem; Ayurved is better for diseases like dengue and common cold while Allopathic practices are better for things like vaccines
One is more of philosophical and the other is not
One person bases their beliefs on repeatable evidence the other person bases their beliefs on magical ideas.
Dude went out fishing for one word, and tried to start running with it when that word popped up.
One is subjected to scrutiny and tested and the other isn't. One is scientific and the other is subject to myth and superstition.
Eastern medicine too afraid to do double bind studies. It's like when they allowed MMA to have different martial practices fight and stuff like Tai chi, judo, karate is just useless against people who don't care about your safety. "Trust me bro, rub this lavender on you and you'll be good"
Lol buddy, I have bad news for you if you dont think western medicine doesnt have myth and superstition
except... there are studies on eastern medicine, and the studies say it works, but they will never be adopted into western medicine because western medicine doesn't work this way. It works to generate synthetic pharmaceuticals which are the most profitable
That’s why people who practiced eastern medicine didn’t live a those today
When he heard the one he wanted to: "ABSOLUTELY!" 😑
Lack of refinement doesnt meant it doesnt work, just that it could be done better.
I would rather say that for something not to change it's because it's not subject to whether it works or not. Because if it was, then improvements would be made.
Where can I watch/listen to the rest of this? Thanks.
I want to listen to this full conversation
That evil laugh😈by Dr. K though😆🫶🏻
i understood nothing
"We know what works in Western Medicine and why, yet still seem to not know any more about how or why Eastern Medicine might work."
Could it be the same blind appeal to tradition that is happening here that keeps it around and nothing else?
The answer lies in one of our biggest flaws as humans.... and that is our ego. If we learn to let go of it, perhaps a lot of the problems in the world can be solved. There's ego in all genders and status in life, that's how you can succeed or ruin your life. Depends on you