That's honestly not true, the only reason they consistently bash on butterfly products so much is because they don't sell them, but you can listen to them on the rest of the products they review. They sell very little Butterfly products and mainly sell their competitors, however butterfly products are so popular they can compete with all their brands at the same time 🤣. It may not be worth the price but it is the quality is arguably that bit better than the rest, Butterfly (and DHS tbh) are not the most popular brands purely because of marketing they actually make good products. As someone who has played with hurricane 3 for 2 years and recently switched to 09c for 6 months, I disagree with everything they said about it and while I understand where they are coming from at times I am it is clear they where extra negative on purpose. I have had no trouble touching or serving short and flicks are easy, counter attacking is very good close to far from table with high margin for error regardless of my distance from the table and it's less bouncy than some of the other rubbers listed here, with great dwell time and control but also top end power. Finally the claim that some booster should be used on dignics and that it doesn't give enough power otherwise is total bullcrap, dignics rubbers are both catapulty and hard and have a lot of spin potential as well as mroe than enough speed. Dignics gives more than enough power with booster according to timo boll he uses 09c over chinese tacky rubbers because they he doesn't need to boost it. Not to mention that it doesn't even matter if all the top players boosted butterfly rubbers because literally every top chinese player boosts hurricane 3 so there is no difference.
@@gab5012 that's a detailed review. I like it. Thank you. Most of the high rating players in my tt club use butterfly rubbers. There are a few used hurricane3 but the rubbers are all national/province version. One guy who boosters every hurricane rubber told me that the difference between regular h3 and national version is the quality control. he said that out of 10 regular h3, there can be one similar to national version.
@@gab5012 Is your skill level and playing style comparable to theirs? I saw a few of your videos around the time of this video and comment and you certainly do not play like they do.
@@dxuhuang TT11 players are likely better than me though I’d need to play them too know for sure. Maybe I can beat some of them maybe I can’t. I think a lot of them have achieved quite a lot in the sport and more experience than me so far. My original point in my comment was NOT that I’m more qualified to make an opinion on a rubber than them just that they might be biased against butterfly
Great review guys, I have never tried the Hurrcane 3 Neo rubbers, perhaps I might give them a try. I do buy a lot of our Table Tennis supplies from you guys, love the products and the service. We started a new Table Tennis club last year during Covid here in New Zealand, at a place called Waiotahi in the Bay Of Plenty, we tell our members about your online shop, just the best, thank you.
I know I'm late to the comment. H3 neo works really nicely for BH. I'm waiting for my BH+FH to come. They've lasted me a while. Mainly because I don't play as much anymore but I've certainly made my moneys worth for four years and £15 per sheet on AExpress.
Great video! You guys are very honest and humble. You understand the game, unlike some reviewers that can't get enough of them self and bash tacky rubbers because of their lack of skills.
🌎🇪🇨😃👍👏👏👏👏👏 Excelente video. Las variadas opiniones de 4 jugadores con diferentes experiencias ayudan mucho a entender y ver cómo reaccionan los cauchos escogidos en esta ocasión, muchas gracias... Por favor no olviden añadir subtitulos en Español...
Thanks a ton guys. I love that there are 4 players, many who play different style both offensive and defensive to give their side of feelings. Keep up the great work!
Recently I put Rakza Z in my BH on TB ALC, I like it very much! You can do everything, good control, speed, Block, high trow angle and good curve to stay safe over the net, great to lift under spin balls👍
Great video of tacky rubbers! I must to say that tt11 have the best service! I would like to see your review of dhs skyline 2 series and its comparison to more popullar hurricane 3, because you prefer hard chinese tacky rubber.
The problem with H3 is you would have to exert more comparing to a tensor rubber. The advantage is it giving you both spin and speed proportionally with the power you exert.
That's overblown in my opinion because national version that pro player uses are both much less tacky and much softer. Mind you that Chinese pro player also well known to use additives to make the rubber characteristic closer to that of European rubber (Softer and catapult effect after boosters). Actually Dignics 09c trying to emulate that and according to some, it's actually has done better that H3 National.
Excellent video, I had planned to purchase the Hurricane 3 Neo rubber next week before seeing this video...this just confirms I am making the right choice...thanks for sharing.
After 25 years started again and I tried a little bit the last weeks. And my actual favorite is the Long 5 with Neo 3 national and when I had a wish I would use them for both sides. But so I have to test more for the second rubber.
@@Tabletennis11 I have seen all your review videos. I used to think that you guys are honest but after watching your reviews on butterfly rubbers, I must say that these reviews are biased and it is your marketing strategy to promote the sales of rubbers from the other brands which provides you heavy discount as a reseller unlike butterfly
Hi, just another idea for the sticky rubbers . Perhpas you guys can review the Tibhar K2 and the 729 battle 2 blue sponge. These two rubbers are quite popular in China and has immence stickiness.
Good comparison of the 4 different rubbers but it would make it more remarkable if tt11 can add in a comparison charts in terms of speed,spin,control,tackiness,price and overall score at the end of the video so that the viewers can get a more informed choices
Thanks a lot for your review. When the plastic ball arrived i noticed that my offensive combination of blade and rubbers had become dull. Little spin. For me was a different world. Boring sport. I have read about tacky and sticky rubbers to increase spin in the ball. (Curiouly my first forehand rubber in 1.985 was butterfly tackiness D). And your video has been so helpfull for me that i only can say THANK YOU
Спасибо большое за ревью и искренние комментарии по ощущениям 🔥🔥🔥 На данный момент играю Rakza Z справа, отличная накладка. Не быстрая, но и не медленная. На переход с dignics 80 понадобилось примерно 4 часа разминка, подбор углов, игра. За 50 часов игры накладка не умерла и чувствует себя отлично. Сильные стороны: - подача, можно прям очень жестко открываться по мячу и за стол не улетит - топспины (вращение оч качественное, если бы не огрехи в технике, то ещё бы и скорость была)
After listening to their reviews on butterfly dignics 09C ( which is used by almost all the top Non- Chinese players) I don't believe they are trying to be honest. Just tell me would you believe these guys or players like Timo boll, Harimoto, Lin yun ju, Alexis and Felix Lebrun ( not sponsored by butterfly).
Totalmente de acuerdo. Yo era uno de ellos. Normalmente Sriver L dominaba el mercado en la derecha. 729 fx esponja azul en el revés. Desgraciadamente la actual 729fx no tiene nada que ver con la calidad de la antigua. Más de 1 año usando la misma goma y como nueva. Super potente como H3 Nacional BS, pero más sensible a los efectos del contrario. Ahora sí quieres algo mejor está Battle 2 National BS.
Great stuff. I played h3neo on fh and h2neo on bh on an off+ blade, way more control than I get with tensors. It feels consistent all the time. I have been trying to use tensors recently with varying degrees of success, I tend to play hard or drop back, so the neo rubbers seem better suited to all my switching and changing, but tensors seem to require so much more finesse and seem less forgiving. Going back to my h3neo and h2neo which also lasts the year and longer without fail.
Tensors are quiet forgiving lol....they don't focus a lot on technique like Chinese rubbers and will allow you to return th ball decently even when ur position ain't right...
Tho I do agree with the long lasting aspect you talk of....I am not in a position to spend big bucks on equipment just yet since I'm a beginner (took long breaks from my ever so recreational gameplay lol) but this one DHS P4 rubber blade I bought for like 10 bucks back in the Day (3years back).....retained its stickiness reeeally well....tho key thing is maintaining it...I used to clean the dust with water, drying it off and putting back that film you get when you first get the bat🤣....the next session when you peel it off again...the blade is tacky again
@@llamanodrama5432 tensors are not forgiving when you take the serve especially from H3, and if a little wrong angle is used the ball goes off the table or to the net. Tensors are good when playing with opponent with tensors
Thank you for this video! I would happily hear your thoughts about further sticky rubbers, like Nittaku Sieger PK50, Victas Triple Extra and Double Extra, Stiga DNA Dragon Grip. I guess, that for Alex, Victas VJC > 07 Sticky Extra could be also interesting, as it has a strong defense character, while still suitable for attacking (one of my favourite rubbers currently).
Hello guys, Very useful review about sticky rubbers, please also add some more rubbers in your review, like Gewo and tibhar. Waiting for your next video Thanks
Hurricane 3 Neo on both sides is everything you need. It's a phantastic and comparatively cheap rubber. Spin production is at the very top, control for short game is excellent and power with hip rotation phenomenal close to the table or even at half distance. 10/10.
Very interesting video. I'm playing Hurricane 3 and 8 and went to the sticky rubber because of the plastic ball and the backend banana flip together with a harder bat. I was playing with the Tenergy 05 before hand but found out very difficult to control the plastic ball with. Very similar conclusion to yours. I will give a try to the NEO next time.
Loved the content and different opinions of each player and participant :-D I would love to see a dedicated video on Boosted vs UnBoosted rubbers and how many "layers" of glue and what type of glue + what type of booster has massive effect or no effect. One hint: Yasaka Rising Dragon and Shining Dragon DO NOT REACT to ANY Booster. At all. :-D Or the effect is negligible and makes no difference to the rubbers performance and difference from Unboosted. :-D ( Hint Hint : I would love a tournament where only Yasaka Rising or Shining Dragon is the ONLY rubber allowed :-D any racket / blade is fine but rubber has to be one of these two .... and none of that defense player XO rubbish >:-D ) If we could get a listing of rubbers that CANNOT be boosted under any circumstance and do not alter their behaviour regardless of any kind of treatment or application beyond their initial manufacturing, we could probably eliminate one more component / controversy due to "Boosting" :-D Personally, I think Boosting is a good way for ALL players to get their personalised rubber property, unlike the millionaire funded Pro players who get their equipment tuned right out of the factory, which the rest of us cant even imagine to afford :-P
@@masterspin7796 There are many many casual players who do use booster. ITTF allows factory boosting which is how most CHN national players get their "National" versions but most of the players can't afford to get "premium" rubbers from the factory. ITTF don't follow their own rules why would any normal player care then? We need better rules or just allow boosters. Also my comment is TWO years old 😂
I have used both Rakza Z and Bluegrip C2, and they're not at all alike. Rakza Z is so sticky it can pick the ball off your palm, and hold it there. What's even more impressive, it will still do this after you've been using it for two months. Chinese sticky rubbers generally lose most of their stickiness after 2-3 weeks - my theory is that the stickiness is due to a thin layer of adhesive applied to the surface by that thin plastic sheet you have to peel off the first time you play with the rubber, and like all adhesive layers, it will wear off with use. Rakza Z uses some other technology to make it sticky, and this stickiness doesn't wear off. Bluegrip C2 is hardly sticky at all - it can't pick up the ball. I find it plays quite differently, I have to use a more open racket face when looping from below table height. It's also a little bit faster. If I had to choose between the two I'd use Rakza Z - I find it easier to play with. I tried Hurricane 3 some years ago, it was way too slow for me. And Dignics 09 is just way too expensive.
@@mrcadoia Yeah, the various H3 variants are slow, that's the reason the Chinese like it. Lots of control over the table but you can generate lots of power if you HAVE the power. A lot of us don't, so it's too slow for us. Even with the Neo sponge, and even boosted (which the Chinese players do all the time) it's slow. C2 is faster, but so far I have not found any rubber (including Tenergy 05) that I have had trouble controlling at low speeds. I think the reason for this is I use a ALL+ all-wood 5 ply blade (Sanwei M8). If you're using a fast blade that could be the reason why you find it hard to control in the short game. Incidentally, even the cheap $5 Chinese rubbers like 729, Reactor Corbor and Kokutaku 868 are faster than H3.
Only just seen this video. Great review as always. Just brought Rakza Z and Hurricane III Neo, and my new bat (Yasaka Sweden Extra) from you guys. It just arrived today, looking forward to playing with it. Ps. Great service, arrive within 3 days of ordering to the UK. Pretty damn good price too!
Great review guys ! One question what do u do with reviewed rubbers? I mean do u donate or sponsor to players . 😀 U can give away 😀. Request you to please review blades 👍
Hurricane 8-80 in 38 degrees is easy to play with and the sponge is just a bit faster than Hurricane 3 Neo. I think it's the best rubber of the Hurricane series
Nice review, nice vidéo. Fully agree with your conclusions. Maybe hurricane 8 could also have been picked up in the comparative test. New Victas triple double extra is an excellent choice too. But all in all and price considered, H3 neo is unbeatable.
Nice video guys! I wonder if the Hurricane 3 Neo you guys used is the standard orange sponge version or the blue version (provincial version) and if there was any boosting applied in order to the get the desired effect
Hi guys, nice video, it's always cool to see these comparisons Alex, what's the version of hurricane do you use on your backhand? I've been looking for a while for a 1.8mm hurricane and I could'nt find anywhere, is it any Nittaku version?
What do you have to say about Tuttle VIP 2018 blue sponge...? I perceive this rubber as a hybrid between modern european rubbers with relatively soft spring sponge (that gives a high throw angle...), and traditional chinese rubbers. The sponge apears to be of the same type as Tenergy, Xiom and others. It has a bit coarser structure and looks and feels as a modern spring sponge... and I have never seen that combination before. It has at low price (16 Euro...!), so I bought a couple of rubbers to try them out, and I have used them ever since, and I think that they give really good value for the money. It's important that you keep them clean, but that isn't specific for this stycky rubber. That goes for all of them if you want the rubber to keep the "bite". Does anyone have a comment to these rubbers...?
@@irtiza4262 Its ok. Not my favorite. It's much slower than Dignics 09c so I don't think I'll use it for very long. Fun to play with but too different than the speed I am used to.
Hi there, i am a frequent customer of tt11. I have a question regarding to the H3 Neo. It always have a fishy smell and take a long time to get rid off, how do u solve this problem?
It took me four hours of training to adapt to sticky rubbers. You forgot to say that every Chinese player, who is using a Hurricane 3 is still boosting the rubber. It's very clear that you don't like Butterfly as a brand, but I have tested all four of these rubbers as well and I strongly disagree with what you said in this video about the 09C. You really gotta swing hard with that thing unlike you did in that video. If you want effortless power I'd recommend the Victas Triple Double Extra.
Great video, guys. Have you tried Andro Rasanter R47? It's a bit sticky but it grabs the ball as if it was sticky. Very spinny. It also can play short when you play short but has quite enough power when you need to throw a bomb. I really like this rubber.
You should try V47, if you’d like a bit more speed without loosing R47-feeling. It has another top sheet, so that the throw angle is deeper, which is why the topspin is more aggressive.
@@aldopalacios3357 No, I've only had experience with opponents who use it:D I used to have R/V-47 on my BH two years ago but switched first to R-50, that I found great, and now I'm using Rakza Z which suits me and my playing style near behind the table way better than springy rubbers.
@@dmitrikonnov922 hi Dimitri. I watched again this great video. After some time, I'm using H3 NEO on forehand, I agree a lot with Sergei. H3 NEO is fantastic. I was using it in a Viscaria and for the next days I will have a Lin Gaoyuan Alc blade. In the backhand still use Tibhar MXD rubber, which I consider perfect for backhand.
Best commentary of the year
Dignics 09: Unbelievable amount of money for an average rubber❤
That's honestly not true, the only reason they consistently bash on butterfly products so much is because they don't sell them, but you can listen to them on the rest of the products they review. They sell very little Butterfly products and mainly sell their competitors, however butterfly products are so popular they can compete with all their brands at the same time 🤣. It may not be worth the price but it is the quality is arguably that bit better than the rest, Butterfly (and DHS tbh) are not the most popular brands purely because of marketing they actually make good products. As someone who has played with hurricane 3 for 2 years and recently switched to 09c for 6 months, I disagree with everything they said about it and while I understand where they are coming from at times I am it is clear they where extra negative on purpose.
I have had no trouble touching or serving short and flicks are easy, counter attacking is very good close to far from table with high margin for error regardless of my distance from the table and it's less bouncy than some of the other rubbers listed here, with great dwell time and control but also top end power. Finally the claim that some booster should be used on dignics and that it doesn't give enough power otherwise is total bullcrap, dignics rubbers are both catapulty and hard and have a lot of spin potential as well as mroe than enough speed. Dignics gives more than enough power with booster according to timo boll he uses 09c over chinese tacky rubbers because they he doesn't need to boost it. Not to mention that it doesn't even matter if all the top players boosted butterfly rubbers because literally every top chinese player boosts hurricane 3 so there is no difference.
@@gab5012 that's a detailed review. I like it. Thank you.
Most of the high rating players in my tt club use butterfly rubbers. There are a few used hurricane3 but the rubbers are all national/province version. One guy who boosters every hurricane rubber told me that the difference between regular h3 and national version is the quality control. he said that out of 10 regular h3, there can be one similar to national version.
@@gab5012 Is your skill level and playing style comparable to theirs? I saw a few of your videos around the time of this video and comment and you certainly do not play like they do.
@@dxuhuang TT11 players are likely better than me though I’d need to play them too know for sure. Maybe I can beat some of them maybe I can’t. I think a lot of them have achieved quite a lot in the sport and more experience than me so far. My original point in my comment was NOT that I’m more qualified to make an opinion on a rubber than them just that they might be biased against butterfly
The last two players were playing amazing with Dignics09c, but then they said it sucked. Lol. Good one guys😂😂😂
I’ve been dying to see this comparison so badly. Great review!
We're glad you enjoyed it!
Great review guys, I have never tried the Hurrcane 3 Neo rubbers, perhaps I might give them a try. I do buy a lot of our Table Tennis supplies from you guys, love the products and the service. We started a new Table Tennis club last year during Covid here in New Zealand, at a place called Waiotahi in the Bay Of Plenty, we tell our members about your online shop, just the best, thank you.
Much appreciated!!!!
I know I'm late to the comment. H3 neo works really nicely for BH. I'm waiting for my BH+FH to come. They've lasted me a while. Mainly because I don't play as much anymore but I've certainly made my moneys worth for four years and £15 per sheet on AExpress.
Great video! You guys are very honest and humble. You understand the game, unlike some reviewers that can't get enough of them self and bash tacky rubbers because of their lack of skills.
Much appreciated!
i love the reviews from the channel, thank you!
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Excelente video. Las variadas opiniones de 4 jugadores con diferentes experiencias ayudan mucho a entender y ver cómo reaccionan los cauchos escogidos en esta ocasión, muchas gracias...
Por favor no olviden añadir subtitulos en Español...
Thanks a ton guys. I love that there are 4 players, many who play different style both offensive and defensive to give their side of feelings. Keep up the great work!
Recently I put Rakza Z in my BH on TB ALC, I like it very much! You can do everything, good control, speed, Block, high trow angle and good curve to stay safe over the net, great to lift under spin balls👍
So did I and I’m absolutely satisfied with Rakza Z on my BH. Because of its hardness it is so easy to punch as well!
Did you use max thickness on BH?
@@leonidz83 yes, without booster. Now im using DHS hurricane 8-80 38°, almost the same
@@davehess1982 So you don't use the Rakza Z anymore, but use the DHS hurricane?
Great video of tacky rubbers! I must to say that tt11 have the best service! I would like to see your review of dhs skyline 2 series and its comparison to more popullar hurricane 3, because you prefer hard chinese tacky rubber.
The problem with H3 is you would have to exert more comparing to a tensor rubber. The advantage is it giving you both spin and speed proportionally with the power you exert.
Exactly, with dhs neo 3 the only person to blame for weak performance is just the player.
That's overblown in my opinion because national version that pro player uses are both much less tacky and much softer. Mind you that Chinese pro player also well known to use additives to make the rubber characteristic closer to that of European rubber (Softer and catapult effect after boosters). Actually Dignics 09c trying to emulate that and according to some, it's actually has done better that H3 National.
@@yudistiraliem135 yet next to no one use it compared to h3
Excellent video, I had planned to purchase the Hurricane 3 Neo rubber next week before seeing this video...this just confirms I am making the right choice...thanks for sharing.
After 25 years started again and I tried a little bit the last weeks. And my actual favorite is the Long 5 with Neo 3 national and when I had a wish I would use them for both sides. But so I have to test more for the second rubber.
Awesome comparison.. thanks TableTennis11 team!!
Appreciate the love!!!
Great!. Thanks . Keep doing the good work
I admit... this the best channel to learn. I love it ,thank you. Two thumb up
Wow, thanks!
@@Tabletennis11 I have seen all your review videos. I used to think that you guys are honest but after watching your reviews on butterfly rubbers, I must say that these reviews are biased and it is your marketing strategy to promote the sales of rubbers from the other brands which provides you heavy discount as a reseller unlike butterfly
Hi, just another idea for the sticky rubbers . Perhpas you guys can review the Tibhar K2 and the 729 battle 2 blue sponge. These two rubbers are quite popular in China and has immence stickiness.
Good comparison of the 4 different rubbers but it would make it more remarkable if tt11 can add in a comparison charts in terms of speed,spin,control,tackiness,price and overall score at the end of the video so that the viewers can get a more informed choices
Just discovered this channel. I like it!
Awesome, thank you!
Thanks a lot for your review. When the plastic ball arrived i noticed that my offensive combination of blade and rubbers had become dull. Little spin. For me was a different world. Boring sport. I have read about tacky and sticky rubbers to increase spin in the ball. (Curiouly my first forehand rubber in 1.985 was butterfly tackiness D). And your video has been so helpfull for me that i only can say THANK YOU
Glad we could help!!
I love this channel. Keep it up guys!!
Great video 👍hopefully gonna see a lots of review in the future!!!
That's the plan!
Thankyou for your review.
I would like to see you review Skyline 3 Neo as it can play a wider variety of spins on attack and is quite forgiving.
Another great review 👌 keep it up .
Thanks, will do!
Really great review here, will be coming back to this channel
Glad to hear it!
Thank you very much for your english videos, I'm sure that will improve your range drastically.
Ps: Your english is great.
Спасибо большое за ревью и искренние комментарии по ощущениям 🔥🔥🔥
На данный момент играю Rakza Z справа, отличная накладка. Не быстрая, но и не медленная. На переход с dignics 80 понадобилось примерно 4 часа разминка, подбор углов, игра. За 50 часов игры накладка не умерла и чувствует себя отлично.
Сильные стороны:
- подача, можно прям очень жестко открываться по мячу и за стол не улетит
- топспины (вращение оч качественное, если бы не огрехи в технике, то ещё бы и скорость была)
Great interesting review. Thank you!
Thanks for watching!
You guys are the best and honest. I feel other rubbers are way overpriced
Thank you! We try.
After listening to their reviews on butterfly dignics 09C ( which is used by almost all the top Non- Chinese players) I don't believe they are trying to be honest. Just tell me would you believe these guys or players like Timo boll, Harimoto, Lin yun ju, Alexis and Felix Lebrun ( not sponsored by butterfly).
@@binodpawri9132 some you mentioned that *aren’t* sponsored are actually sponsored by butterfly like timo boll and Harimoto
@@Fatass_Se refiere a los hermanos Lebrun patrocinados por Tibhar
Dude I'm new here but the last guy REALLY plays like krenga 🤣
Definitely agree :-)
Kreangas backhand was created by the gods and only passed to worthy mortals occasionally. Sergej got picked too.
Loved your honest and helpful review Many thanks.
Glad it was helpful!
this is exactly what im looking for
Welcome to the channel!
Please test Donic Bluestorm Pro rubbers. Great video by the way.
Great video, good to get perspective of different players!
Мужики, приятно удивлен уровнем вашего английского! Респект, прям гордость за наших обзорщиков😊❤
Alot of players in my town, back in the 90´s and early 2000, played with sticky rubbers on the left side, like friendship 729/fx, and PF4.
Totalmente de acuerdo. Yo era uno de ellos. Normalmente Sriver L dominaba el mercado en la derecha. 729 fx esponja azul en el revés. Desgraciadamente la actual 729fx no tiene nada que ver con la calidad de la antigua. Más de 1 año usando la misma goma y como nueva. Super potente como H3 Nacional BS, pero más sensible a los efectos del contrario. Ahora sí quieres algo mejor está Battle 2 National BS.
Great stuff.
I played h3neo on fh and h2neo on bh on an off+ blade, way more control than I get with tensors. It feels consistent all the time. I have been trying to use tensors recently with varying degrees of success, I tend to play hard or drop back, so the neo rubbers seem better suited to all my switching and changing, but tensors seem to require so much more finesse and seem less forgiving. Going back to my h3neo and h2neo which also lasts the year and longer without fail.
same here
Tensors are quiet forgiving lol....they don't focus a lot on technique like Chinese rubbers and will allow you to return th ball decently even when ur position ain't right...
Tho I do agree with the long lasting aspect you talk of....I am not in a position to spend big bucks on equipment just yet since I'm a beginner (took long breaks from my ever so recreational gameplay lol) but this one DHS P4 rubber blade I bought for like 10 bucks back in the Day (3years back).....retained its stickiness reeeally well....tho key thing is maintaining it...I used to clean the dust with water, drying it off and putting back that film you get when you first get the bat🤣....the next session when you peel it off again...the blade is tacky again
@@llamanodrama5432 tensors are not forgiving when you take the serve especially from H3, and if a little wrong angle is used the ball goes off the table or to the net. Tensors are good when playing with opponent with tensors
Thank you for this video! I would happily hear your thoughts about further sticky rubbers, like Nittaku Sieger PK50, Victas Triple Extra and Double Extra, Stiga DNA Dragon Grip. I guess, that for Alex, Victas VJC > 07 Sticky Extra could be also interesting, as it has a strong defense character, while still suitable for attacking (one of my favourite rubbers currently).
Your intro is so sick, keep it up guys :D
Thanks! Will do!
thats awesome thanks guys. I'm h3 Neo guy but I would try the donic and rakza rubbers to see whats up
Thx 4 review is incredible that non Chinese player are not using dhs hurricane type rubbers
Hello guys,
Very useful review about sticky rubbers, please also add some more rubbers in your review, like Gewo and tibhar. Waiting for your next video
Thanks
Thank You, great and smart work!
Can you review dragon grip too?
Hurricane 3 Neo on both sides is everything you need.
It's a phantastic and comparatively cheap rubber.
Spin production is at the very top, control for short game is excellent and power with hip rotation phenomenal close to the table or even at half distance.
10/10.
Yep, its good, you will also have amazing technique
Very good, thanks. Victas TDE should be there in a testing next time, amazing rubber.
i second that, favorite tacky sheet, have tried H3 neo, rakza z, pk50, Xiom Guang, TDE is my top choice
@@Vancepreston I agree: I am still going back testing all of those and Victas TDE is still the best for me, amazing feeling!
Very interesting video. I'm playing Hurricane 3 and 8 and went to the sticky rubber because of the plastic ball and the backend banana flip together with a harder bat. I was playing with the Tenergy 05 before hand but found out very difficult to control the plastic ball with. Very similar conclusion to yours. I will give a try to the NEO next time.
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Did you use Booster ?
thank you a good overview
Glad it was helpful!
Loved the content and different opinions of each player and participant :-D
I would love to see a dedicated video on Boosted vs UnBoosted rubbers and how many "layers" of glue and what type of glue + what type of booster has massive effect or no effect.
One hint: Yasaka Rising Dragon and Shining Dragon DO NOT REACT to ANY Booster. At all. :-D Or the effect is negligible and makes no difference to the rubbers performance and difference from Unboosted. :-D ( Hint Hint : I would love a tournament where only Yasaka Rising or Shining Dragon is the ONLY rubber allowed :-D any racket / blade is fine but rubber has to be one of these two .... and none of that defense player XO rubbish >:-D )
If we could get a listing of rubbers that CANNOT be boosted under any circumstance and do not alter their behaviour regardless of any kind of treatment or application beyond their initial manufacturing, we could probably eliminate one more component / controversy due to "Boosting" :-D
Personally, I think Boosting is a good way for ALL players to get their personalised rubber property, unlike the millionaire funded Pro players who get their equipment tuned right out of the factory, which the rest of us cant even imagine to afford :-P
Boosting is not legal why would you want to promote this.
@@masterspin7796 There are many many casual players who do use booster. ITTF allows factory boosting which is how most CHN national players get their "National" versions but most of the players can't afford to get "premium" rubbers from the factory. ITTF don't follow their own rules why would any normal player care then? We need better rules or just allow boosters.
Also my comment is TWO years old 😂
Great review!
Glad you enjoyed it
I have used both Rakza Z and Bluegrip C2, and they're not at all alike. Rakza Z is so sticky it can pick the ball off your palm, and hold it there. What's even more impressive, it will still do this after you've been using it for two months. Chinese sticky rubbers generally lose most of their stickiness after 2-3 weeks - my theory is that the stickiness is due to a thin layer of adhesive applied to the surface by that thin plastic sheet you have to peel off the first time you play with the rubber, and like all adhesive layers, it will wear off with use. Rakza Z uses some other technology to make it sticky, and this stickiness doesn't wear off. Bluegrip C2 is hardly sticky at all - it can't pick up the ball. I find it plays quite differently, I have to use a more open racket face when looping from below table height. It's also a little bit faster. If I had to choose between the two I'd use Rakza Z - I find it easier to play with. I tried Hurricane 3 some years ago, it was way too slow for me. And Dignics 09 is just way too expensive.
@@mrcadoia Yeah, the various H3 variants are slow, that's the reason the Chinese like it. Lots of control over the table but you can generate lots of power if you HAVE the power. A lot of us don't, so it's too slow for us. Even with the Neo sponge, and even boosted (which the Chinese players do all the time) it's slow. C2 is faster, but so far I have not found any rubber (including Tenergy 05) that I have had trouble controlling at low speeds. I think the reason for this is I use a ALL+ all-wood 5 ply blade (Sanwei M8). If you're using a fast blade that could be the reason why you find it hard to control in the short game. Incidentally, even the cheap $5 Chinese rubbers like 729, Reactor Corbor and Kokutaku 868 are faster than H3.
Did you boost the Hurricane 3 neo?
Hi! Yes, we put one layer of Haifu Sea Moon booster on the rubber without removing the applied glue layer.
Only just seen this video. Great review as always. Just brought Rakza Z and Hurricane III Neo, and my new bat (Yasaka Sweden Extra) from you guys. It just arrived today, looking forward to playing with it.
Ps. Great service, arrive within 3 days of ordering to the UK. Pretty damn good price too!
Thanks for the love!
What is the hurricane boosted with? Unboosted?
Hi!
We put one layer of the Haifu Sea Moon booster on the pre-applied layer of glue.
@@Tabletennis11 Is there a reason you do not remove the glue layer? And why only 1 boost?
I'm gonna try h3 neo with booster next time
Great Review. Tks.
Good discussion
Thank you!!
try loki n80 rubber, its a cheap inexpensive similar performing to hurricane 3, i would love to see it being tested and see your review
I'm glad I found someone else who thinks Dignics 09c sucks
Great review guys ! One question what do u do with reviewed rubbers? I mean do u donate or sponsor to players . 😀
U can give away 😀.
Request you to please review blades 👍
Hurricane 8-80 in 38 degrees is easy to play with and the sponge is just a bit faster than Hurricane 3 Neo. I think it's the best rubber of the Hurricane series
It is good rubber but it does not last long
Nice review .. small correction: Rakza Z regular is 50-52 degrees. Rakza Z extra hard should be right around 55 degrees
Nonsense😂😂😂
Try friendship 729 Battle 2 provincial Blue sponge it is way way better than H3 neo ... When boosted 2 layers of haifu it is a lethal weapon 😁...
Totalmente.
Thank you for the well constructed review @tabletennis11 What thickness of rubbers do you usually use for your reviews ?
I wish you could includ Tibhar Hybrid k3 in an updated test.
May had been interesting.
Please review the Skyline 3 provincial blue sponge. Thank you so much
Thanks for the suggestion!
@@Tabletennis11729 battle 2 provincial, please !!!
♥️👍 wunderbar
Danke!!
would be nice to have a boosted vs non boosted version of hurricane neo... ;)
Please could you do another of these videos comparing Stiga Dragon Grip, Xiom China Guang and Tibhar Hybrid K3? Thank you!!
Very nice to put the faces to the names 😂
It would be really interesting to compare the 4 bluestorm rubbers to each other
Nice review, nice vidéo. Fully agree with your conclusions. Maybe hurricane 8 could also have been picked up in the comparative test. New Victas triple double extra is an excellent choice too. But all in all and price considered, H3 neo is unbeatable.
Did you try H8 hard? I find it terrifically fast after boosting.
Thank you... could you do a comparison on blades???
Make a review video on andro rubbers .
Nice video guys! I wonder if the Hurricane 3 Neo you guys used is the standard orange sponge version or the blue version (provincial version) and if there was any boosting applied in order to the get the desired effect
No booster and it's H3 Neo Commercial with Orange Sponge. (Link in description)
Dignics 09 c is the Best !!!
Dont know why but when it comes to DHS I like Skyline TG3 Neo better. But now I run Loki RXTON 5 on forehand, which is even easier to control.
Hi guys, nice video, it's always cool to see these comparisons
Alex, what's the version of hurricane do you use on your backhand? I've been looking for a while for a 1.8mm hurricane and I could'nt find anywhere, is it any Nittaku version?
Thanks, great review! What's hardness of H3 Neo in Chinese measure?
how about nitakku hammond Z2 compare with hurricane 3?
When it will be possible?Batterfly rubbers in TT11?
What do you have to say about Tuttle VIP 2018 blue sponge...? I perceive this rubber as a hybrid between modern european rubbers with relatively soft spring sponge (that gives a high throw angle...), and traditional chinese rubbers. The sponge apears to be of the same type as Tenergy, Xiom and others. It has a bit coarser structure and looks and feels as a modern spring sponge... and I have never seen that combination before. It has at low price (16 Euro...!), so I bought a couple of rubbers to try them out, and I have used them ever since, and I think that they give really good value for the money. It's important that you keep them clean, but that isn't specific for this stycky rubber. That goes for all of them if you want the rubber to keep the "bite". Does anyone have a comment to these rubbers...?
Can you test the dhs hurricane 8-80?
great video !
Glad you enjoyed it
Which is the product link to buy the H3N of the video?
What if I apply hur3 and 09c in my blade..?
That combo is great, used by fan zhendong. But hurricane needs to be boosted
I'd love to hear TT11's thoughts on the new Stiga Dragon Grip. I just ordered mine and it arrives in a few days, super pumped!
@@irtiza4262 Its ok. Not my favorite. It's much slower than Dignics 09c so I don't think I'll use it for very long. Fun to play with but too different than the speed I am used to.
Planning to put Rakza Z on my BH, Should I go with max thickness?
Sí, máximo, para nivel medio u alto.
Las esponjas más finas son para aprendices.
Hi there, i am a frequent customer of tt11. I have a question regarding to the H3 Neo. It always have a fishy smell and take a long time to get rid off, how do u solve this problem?
This fishy smell is caused by the manufacture boost. Well, you could try H3 non neo, if you don’t like it, or just get used to it…
How about victas Triple Double Extra ?
Compare with dhs h3n
Surprised you didn't add the omega 7 sticky version in this review.
It took me four hours of training to adapt to sticky rubbers. You forgot to say that every Chinese player, who is using a Hurricane 3 is still boosting the rubber. It's very clear that you don't like Butterfly as a brand, but I have tested all four of these rubbers as well and I strongly disagree with what you said in this video about the 09C. You really gotta swing hard with that thing unlike you did in that video. If you want effortless power I'd recommend the Victas Triple Double Extra.
I have played with all rubbers like hurricane ,dignics ans tenergy
Why without Nittaku Sieger PK50 and Xiom Omega Guang China????!
Great video, guys.
Have you tried Andro Rasanter R47? It's a bit sticky but it grabs the ball as if it was sticky. Very spinny. It also can play short when you play short but has quite enough power when you need to throw a bomb.
I really like this rubber.
You should try V47, if you’d like a bit more speed without loosing R47-feeling. It has another top sheet, so that the throw angle is deeper, which is why the topspin is more aggressive.
@@dmitrikonnov922 great! Have you tried the nes Tibhar MX-D?
I replaced my R47 with it and I'm very pleased. More power, great spin and control.
@@aldopalacios3357 No, I've only had experience with opponents who use it:D I used to have R/V-47 on my BH two years ago but switched first to R-50, that I found great, and now I'm using Rakza Z which suits me and my playing style near behind the table way better than springy rubbers.
@@dmitrikonnov922 hi Dimitri. I watched again this great video.
After some time, I'm using H3 NEO on forehand, I agree a lot with Sergei. H3 NEO is fantastic. I was using it in a Viscaria and for the next days I will have a Lin Gaoyuan Alc blade. In the backhand still use Tibhar MXD rubber, which I consider perfect for backhand.
The H3 Neo was boosted?
What hardness were the rubbers you tested, thanks
I'm playing Harry Neo 3 for 2 years. Fantastic rubber event is not stick anymore, don't throw it away, its still very good for technic training.
Is the opponent using their regular blade and rubbers?