This video was made about 5 years ago and has nothing to do with the current Israel/Palestine conflict. Islam deserving criticism does not justify the deaths of thousands of Palestinian civilians. Hamas and their violence are horrible and should be stopped. This is no excuse to kill people who have committed no violence, as the Israeli military is doing now.
You did the classic "but Hamas" - @GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic typical liberal coward. A "skeptic" of course you are. Unambiguously, indigenous Palestinians have been ethnically cleansed from their land for 76 years and Gaza's are now undergoing a genocide supported and financed by the west. October 7th was a mild taste of what Palestinians have endured for decades. Don't "both sides" it. Typical fucking western liberal. FREE PALESTINE
The complication when trying to analyze the state of freedom in situations like this is when you have a different moral framework from the other person. Most would not consider it a lack of freedom to not be allowed to do things that are immoral. An extreme example would be a person from a culture that condones cannibalism would say that western society is not free since we are not allowed to choose whether we want to be a cannibal. So then, this necessitates changing the discourse to validating which moral framework is correct. To be clear though, I believe the moral framework, as well as the lack of freedom (as measured by the Judeo-Christian moral framework prevalent in the west), is wrong.
@@benjaminkesler5245 I say that's a very good point. I believe it is for this exact reason why the Bible says that God placed the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil "in the middle of the garden". It was NOT to tempt Adam and Eve but rather to allow them (and by extension, all humans) to exercise their freedom to say "Yes" to God's command of avoiding it.
@@ChuddleBuggy The forbidden tree has to be prominently placed and powerfully tempting for thêre to be any value in resisting it. You just prefer your apologistic, euphemistic phraseology. It's all folklore/pârable/myth anyway, so tell it objectively. The story never made symbolic, or of course literal, sênse in that we were originally created in the image of god without the knowledge of goôd and evil. Why should that be withheld and how much could we be in his image not knowing the difference? Was Satan or the other angels given the same prohibition? Apparently they knew good from evil somehow or those who rebelled would not have been held responsible and damned to hell. Are we to learn god unfairly punishes all humanity for the disobedience of the first two? Are we to believe we were punished because the first two were tempted by wanting to be more like god? Are we to believe we all inherited the knowledge of good and evil as well as the punishment for acquiring it? If so, why is our cultural environment more powerful than our inherited ability in this regard?
@@benjaminkesler5245 if something makes people unhappy or does more harm than good, then it is bad. Restricting people's freedom to choose over their own lives won't make anyone happy, so it's bad. Allowing cannibalism would only harm people, producing more unhappiness than good, so it is bad. You don't need to make up some arbitrary moral rules.
@@jairomenares2089 Just to keep the logic straight, allowing cannibalism does not, "only harm people." I think you are conflating cannibalism with killing. Two different things. Eating someone who is already dead does not hurt that person.
A Muslim friend of mine was pregnant, and I asked her what she wanted. She said “not a girl - a girl’s life is too hard.” That told me all I needed to know.
@dannysullivan I don’t know if any other religion- even in its most extreme form - that still stones women to death, performs FGM on them, forces marriage under age, believes that a woman’s testimony is equal to half that of a man’s and says that it is acceptable for a husband to beat his wife.
Omg, THANK you! I have an ex-Muslim friend whose father tried to _kill_ her because she didn't want to wear her hijab or marry the man he chose for her. She escaped and has been living in my country peacefully for 15 years. She _hates_ it when people say, "It's not because of Islam, your father was just insane." Everything he did, he did _because_ of Islam. He was extremely pious and believed he was doing Allah's will. He prayed everyday and held deeply religious beliefs. Without Islam, he wouldn't have acted the way he did. We can't just pretend Islam isn't a negative influence to some people.
Although he did it because of Islam it still isn't Islams fault and atheist could act the same way with a different color paint, blame the father not the religion. I or any muslim I know would never even think about being like that
@@owyemen9367 An atheist would never do something like that _because_ of atheism. He did what he did directly because if Islam. He thought he was honoring Allah. Without his religion, he wouldn't have done that. "Although he did it because of Islam, it still isn't Islam's fault." That's a contradiction. You literally admitted it's Islam's fault, but you still want to claim it isn't.
@@kirikakirikakirika so if I do something bad because of this comment does that mean it's your fault? What he did literally goes against Islam. And also an atheist could do the same, the person is bad it doesn't matter what they believe in
@@owyemen9367 Again, an atheist would never kill anyone _in the name_ of atheism. There's no such thing. Atheism isn't a religion that asks anything of you. No atheist has ever killed anyone _in the name_ of atheism. Anything they do has _nothing to do_ with atheism. This is a non-argument. If you do something bad because of something I say, that also wouldn't be my fault because I never told you to do anything bad. In fact, I'll go ahead and tell you _not_ to do anything bad. Islam, on the other hand, is a religion that tells people to do all sorts of awful things. It's full of passages that can easily/are easily interpreted to mean something bad. Again, without Islam or his devotion to Allah, my friend's father never would've done what he did. In contrast, it was an atheist who helped her escape her country; who, by the way, would be executed if anyone in his country found out he's secretly an atheist.
I had a muslim colleague, who was devout, observed prayers and Ramadan, but who also insisted on fitting in with the country he was living in. He found a normal girlfriend (muslim but progressive and no head scarf), openly drank alcohol from time to time (many of them do, but in private), and was mostly interesting in doing well in his work, buying a house, starting a family, and enjoying the freedoms we have in this country. Guess what: he got into a ton of trouble, his "friends" deserted him, his nephews gave him shit and even tried to move in with him to keep an eye on him, he fell out with his parents; basically he was excommunicated. He persisted though, and thankfully made up with most of his family eventually. Now: imagine a muslim girl pursuing the same dreams...
Back in Puerto Rico, I met a woman from Jordan. And she chose to no longer practice Islam and married a Puerto Rican. Most of her family excommunicated her with the exception of her siblings who lived in Puerto Rico and accepted her decisions.
@@raventalk8889that's not excommunication, you can't be expelled from your religion by a lay person, only by a priest - usually someone high up in the priestly hierarchy (like an archbishop for example).
kitten kitten they have. So what. Dodging the topic to talk about something irrelevant when you’re living in 650AD is kind of dishonest of you. Which is no shocker when coming from someone like u.
kitten kitten are you on medication or just that dumb. I’m referring to a disgusting religion and you’re bringing up my race. You’re clearly dodging and that’s expected from someone who replied to a comment about Islam with “well not me” as if that matters in the grand scheme. Educate yourself on what race means and you’ll see it’s not tied to religion.
kitten kitten yea women have their own opinion on how to dress because if they happen to have the wrong opinion Allah orders your head to come off. Someone in your family or a close friend of the family would probably not only agree but help in your decapitation. I know I know this isn’t true it’s all the media. Your brain is baked without a hijabi I can’t imagine what it’s like with one on.
Some people: criticizing the ideas of christianity and judaism is an important piece of rhetoric in the modern world. Same people: criticizing the ideas of islam is hateful and racist and disgusting! Soooooo now we're blindly defending a group based solely on their religion, but casting others aside? Isn't that the definition of bigotry?
Pretty bizarre demonization of the other side. If you asked a progressive what they think about the actual practices listed in the Quran, they’d say it’s abhorrent and reactionary. If you asked a progressive what they think about the practices listed in the Old Testament, (such as the slave beating or the genocides for instance), they’d say the same. If you asked a progressive whether _either_ group should be repressed for their religious identity, they would say no. Problem is, a lot of Christians view criticism of Christianity, or pushback against Christian oppression, as oppression even though they’re by far the most politically dominant religious in the US. And a lot of right-wingers use “Muslim” as short-hand for Arabs. Making it into an us-versus-them issue is missing the point. Religions are ALL garbage ideologies.
@@IAmNumber4000 I agree with you. If you watch Ben vs Sam out of context,and if you are an atheist(as most who watch Bill Maher are) you might take Sam's side. But if you remember that the video is pretty much at the exit of a decade long US post 9/11 "all Muslims are terrorists" rhetoric that was endorsed by one side,and pretended that is not there by the other,than you understand where Ben is coming from. And yes, Muslim was pretty much code for Arab. And even if it wasn't,bigotry is bigotry,so calling it racism,sexism ect. is just semantics.
@@IAmNumber4000 Religion: Love God If you love God, you find him infallible. If you find him infallible, you find mistakes and mishaps to be happy accidents. If you believe that then you believe nothing can go wrong. If you believe nothing can go wrong you believe life is perfect. You delude yourself. If you can do this then the bible itself is a lie as well.
This is basic sophistry. I make up bullshit in order to make your bullshit more bullshit than my bullshit. == Religion: Love God (non sophist) You love God and believe in it, but you also believe life can be imperfect. == Now that I took out the sophistry, you can clearly see the hypocrisy.
Ex Muslim woman here, I am still living with my family and wearing hijab because none of them know yet. I started wearing hijab when I was 13. It was a choice I made happily at the time, but I now regret it so much. Living like this is suffocating. It feels like I have no reason, no purpose, nothing but to obey god out of fear, to be someone's wife, and to one day... be someone's mother. I am tired of constantly feeling guilty for thinking and acting like a human, for committing the most insignificant sin and being terrified of punishment, for daring to want more out of life.
Your fate touches my heart. Do you know Infidel Noodle? She is an ex-Muslim, very smart and honest. She made some video giving advise about leaving Islam, how to take your life into your own hands, and stay safe in a situation like yours. All the best for you!
I am a Muslim and while I am sad you no longer believe, I do understand and I wish you luck in life. I'm sad that your family would not understand because faith cannot be forced
learn islam, read every verse about it including the hadith and also learn it history, you will realized this is not a good religion to follow. it is simply a propaganda of old age, Glad you quit, endure sister, when you get a job move out of that family and live a free life.
@@hassanrazakhan9645as a christian an idea of united religion (like the Islam claim that it is the truest religion) is a beautiful thing. However rather than being a religion that blanket all truth, Quran mostly is a nitpicked aspects of religions. Earliest knowledge of trinity was colluded with Jewish gnosticsm. Simply said, saying I am getting this enlightenment from God and make a bible ain't that convincing.
... and the hatred of the atheist ⚛️. Don't tell a woman what to do with her life. She's not stupid and you guys (both atheist and Christian) are anything but progressive. You're BOTH pathetic!
@@larsedik Maybe so. But you see liberal media calling out Islamaphobia yet never call out when people mock Christians since they think it’s justified like in the Dodgers game. So it seems like a double standard.
Sam Harris: Begins to make a reasonable assertion that criticizing Islam does not equal racism. Ben Affleck: Immediately cuts him off starts calling him racist. Face palm.
Unfortunately, a lot of people seem to confuse religion with race. Affleck didn't seem to grasp that criticising Islam was not an attack on Muslim people. Just as a criticism of any country, religion, ideology, or system is not a personal attack on anyone who is part of any of it. I think the exchange between Harris and Affleck was more misunderstanding than anything, I'm sure if they weren't in such a confrontational setting, they'd probably agree on this issue with a reasoned discussion
As an ex Muslim I remember how I spent hours thinking how life could've been better if I was born as a none Muslim in a none Muslim country...I'd tell myself "God would've forgiven me for not being a Muslim, because I didn't know Islam was the rightful religion" and I always regret having been born as a Muslim...but then thanked god for being a Muslim bc I was told I had to...wow even telling the story makes me feel childish!
It's funny because non-believers (the billions of em) are absolutely 100% going to hell according to Muhammad and the Quran. Kinda messed up that the vast majority of the human population is all burning in eternal torment, no?
I am an ex Muslim my self. In the sense that i was born in islam but i never accepted it as my faith, it was forced on me...with violence. But for helping you i would like to direct you into a concept you would love to hear : "The hero's journey." Learn about that ;) it works for fantasy stories but expecially for the people! This is our "journey" this makes us stronger and better at questioning reality. People like us have the potential to destroy dogmas of out of their mind.
I literally felt that way about my Christian conservative lifestyle I grew up, I would think of all the time I wasted and missed opportunities all because I was mistaken in believing the things I wanted to do with my life were wrong or as I was told "disobedience".
Ex muslim here, & Im an artist since I can remember, but as a child (9-10 years old), my parents would physically abuse me & tear my art apart if they ever spot me drawing, their reasoning was "only Allah can create". I would make art at school & give it to my classmates cuz god forbid they find anything in my bag. It took them like a year to let me draw again just because I was extremely depressed & their behavior visibly affected me. Islam is the worst.
Yo what your parents did is the worst. Coming from someone with religious trauma and an artist, Islam is not the one to blame but the person. You cannot force someone to follow your belief in Islam. Hope you get out of your parent's house as soon as possible.
@@loreyxilluminaHere's the thing about that: religion itself is usually up to interpretation, since the beliefs themselves are usually reiterated traditions, be it via a sacred text or otherwise oral retellings. The deity/deities which is/are worshipped is/are not around to tell what in life is right or wrong beyond simple aspects of life, since back when such traditions were created humanity was not well developed at all, especially not technologically or to an extent where the theistic ideals of said religions could be proven or disproven. This therefore forces believers themselves to proclaim and proclaim, and use confirmation bias to believe what they do. And in this case, it is up to the believers to proclaim their interpretations of what is the truth based on the tales they are shared.
@@thealfatihaguythis is the 21st century not the 7th. Feminist ideals have moved the goal post past 7th century Islamic views on women. I see you’re stuck there with Islam! No religion views women equal. Let alone a fascist religion like Islam. Nice try apologist.
@@thealfatihaguy 4:34 "Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allāh has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allāh would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them [lightly]. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allāh is ever Exalted and Grand."
As a Muslim who doesn't follow the religion just carries the tag of being a Muslim because in my country there is not an option of being an atheist legally, and doesn't have faith in any other religion as well. I totally agree with you.
Same. I'm an atheist from Turkey. Although according to statistics, %12 of our country is atheist, we do not have the option of being an atheist on a legal basis, so we have to be kept in this religion
@@floatingpointz5903 as a christan I agree. We've seen the sins of the past and we do not wish to repeat those damnable crusades. At least the majority of us don't. If they are the religon of peace they say they are they to should give up their religous crusader warmongering state ways like we have. To many have died fighting for false prophets and the lies of old greedy men if we are to turly make this world and humanity in gods image I belive we should separate church and state it will bring us one step closer to peace beacuse as we've clearly seen from history people with power will corrupt us and our faith to do their even dedes like slaughter the entire population of the holy land. May their eternal souls rest I peace. Sorry if I sounded Abit preachy there just trying to make a point I guess.
@@Demicleas I think the problem is that people aren't critical of their own side enough-- people calling out the assholes in their own factions is what gives me faith in mankind. We can be different and yet work together-- if wolf and man learned to do it, if humans can find a common ground with wild orcas even though our species live in two entirely different worlds, then why would humans *not* be able to push out the warmongers and the abusers from their communities and stand side-by-side? So, hi, there's other idealists like you, theists and agnostics and nontheists alike. Let's all fight to steer humanity away from tribalism and wars, without letting extremists sweet-talk their way into the movement by going "you're intolerant because you won't tolerate my intolerance"!
@@neoqwerty haha! "You're intolerant because you won't tolerate my intolerance!" Hands down, the best thing I'll hear all day. And what you said does make me feel a tiny bit hopeful.
Quoting a Quran to prove a claim about Allah ... is like quoting DC Comics to prove a claim about Superman. It doesn't magically turn him into a real person.
But u can't denied what the Quran said because it's the truth...that's the different with dc comic..that's why people believe Quran..people don't dc comic..maybe u believe dc comic is true? 😁
keram k you know just because some stuff in the Quran happened doesn’t mean it’s correct it’s very easy to mix your fantasy with the events happening around you
liftingcarbsdaily do you think I’m talking about only Muslims the second part yes for reference you have Palestine and Pakistan for reference to this and seriously watch man had the Cold War they don’t exist but it doesn’t mean the Cold War didn’t exist and having the Cold War exist doesn’t mean the watchman exist
@@feritperliare2890 aiiyyoo.. al Quran talked a lot about tauhid.. do you know what tauhid? it's one god.. until now no one can challenge that because its the truth..if u think al Quran is man made..try to make it something better than that 🤣🤣 compare al Quran to dc comic.. r u series mannnnnnn..🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
As a woman raised as a conservative Christian, I can absolutely agree that oppressed women very seldom ever realize that they even ARE oppressed; I sure as hell didn't. If you had asked me at 18 if I felt oppressed by my religion, I'd have said, "Nope! I'm doing it all for God!" Fast forward a few years when I'd been married off for religious purposes and my husband was abusing me, even trying to kill me on multiple occasions, and I was begging my family for help, they told me that it was God's will and that I couldn't leave him because I was married to him. If he killed me, it would've been justified in their eyes. That's the point at which I began to realize that I *had* been oppressed all of those years but I didn't know it because I didn't know any other life than that. It wasn't until my life was on the line and I was being forsaken by my own family that I began to realize that I never had much of a choice until then. If I didn't choose what they told me God wanted for me and what my church preached, I would be shamed and convinced I would suffer for eternity for it. That isn't much of a choice, and especially for a young girl who had no power and no knowledge that life *could* be any other way, it was potentially a death sentence. I was extremely lucky to get out of that marriage when I did because he did almost kill me repeatedly. It wasn't until I was finally free of him and away from my family that I began to see things differently and realized that I had the power to choose my own life. I also began to realize that the oppressive way I was raised and made to believe the world was had seriously damaged my life. I looked at the women in my family and began to see the same things I was enduring: long-term domestic abuse, repression, oppression, fear, anxiety, etc. only they didn't talk about it. Every time it came up, it was, "God will make a way!" and, "God will heal him!" When I finally began to see things for what they were, I realized that I was in for a lifetime of misery just the same as my family (whether or not they are willing to admit it) and the biggest thing I had been convinced of, i.e. that choosing a pious life would give me a more fulfilling life free of suffering, was a lie, I knew I had to break free or it would kill me, just like my ex-husband. It's been years that I've been out of that world and though it's definitely put a strain on my relationship with my family, I've come to find that I have more hope than I ever did then. I have a good life where I'm free to make my own decisions, it's taken me years to learn how to date (I was married off so young that I never actually dated prior to getting married) and I now have a wonderful, loving boyfriend who puts *no* expectations on me, nor ever tries to control me, who comes from a wonderful, secular family who has shown me more compassion and has been more welcoming than my family ever was. My family still says they're "praying for me," and "hope that I see the light someday," and maybe their prayers have been answered because I *do* see the light, and it's very, very far from them. I know that for some people, it's easier to just be quiet and do as you're told, especially when you've never held any power in your entire life, but I was not one of those people, and I wasn't so lucky as to be given a gentle, peaceful existence. I was thrown to the dogs and was left to die by those who promised me that this way of life would bring me peace and fulfillment. I never knew peace, nor fulfillment, until I was finally free. I resent anybody who raises their daughters the same way. I never want anyone to live and suffer the way I did. I don't want another young girl to think that her life is over before it's even begun because of a God who supposedly "loves" them, yet justifies their demise at the hands of their abuser. I don't know if I believe in a God or not, but if there is one, then they're nothing like that.
Thank you for sharing your powerful and eloquent testimony. I am glad you found a way out of your oppressive circumstances, and were able to forge your own path free of the dictates of others still mired in ignorance. I hope other individuals oppressed by insidious ideologies will read your comment and find inspiration in it.
We Hindus believe that to create is to walk in the footsteps of the creator like a little child walking in the footsteps of its parent. That's why we Hindus love statues, arts, colours, spices, food, mathematics, technology etc
I'm so glad you're out of that, thousands of women don't make it. Although luckily neither I nor my loved ones have suffered such degree of violence, it's a very sensitive topic for me. Here in Mexico, it's so common that the legal term "femicidio/feminicidio" (femicide) was introduced to classify those cases specifically. I will never forget an audio of a woman who was teaching an English class through Zoom (that's how it got recorded) when suddenly her husband arrives, insults her and is about to hit her while she cries and asks if she can turn the session off first... Only remembering it makes me tear up. Many women choose to stay in such horrible, life-threatening situations because the social and psychological pressure not to leave the marriage is incredibly strong. I'm happy to see newer generations are a lot more sensitive about the topic, but looking at people still being extremely sexist and even justifying violence makes my blood boil. They have no idea what that kind of terror feels like. I wish you a lot of success, happiness and most importantly, safety! Stay strong ❤
That is certainly the reality for some women growing up in conservative religious contexts. My condoleances for it happening to you. I have to ask though, why is this relevant for the topic at hand? Does this kind of oppression that you aren't aware of imply that your freedom to choose should be taken away, and the choice be made for you by someone who knows better? Should someone in the situation you were in be forcibly removed from that situation, and who should be the judge of that? These are not meaningless hypotheticals, there are real people out there who advocate restricting the freedom of Muslim women to e.g. choose what they wear, on the basis of some variant of "if they do it out of their own choice it's only because they're indoctrinated, and thus it doesn't count".
As a Jew, I don’t mind when people are intellectually criticizing Judaism as a religion including the Bible. I do have problem when people are generalizing the Jewish people as an ethnicity/nation. The thing about Islam that it can never be criticize, and sorry, but a lot of suffer was done under its name.
Judaism is an interesting case for an Abrahamic religion, given its traditional emphasis LESS on "correct beliefs" and more on correct actions. By contrast, Christianity and Islam have been two of the most dogmatic religions in world history when it comes to emphasizing correct beliefs. So much so that most people in the world now seem to define religion primarily as a belief system. But any student of religious studies (which looks at all religions as a human phenomenon) can tell you, this is actually an incorrect, biased view. What's most interesting about this, however, is that these two religions which emphasize dogma most strongly - are also the two most evangelical/proselytizing religions (they constantly want to convert people) and have the worst histories of religious violence. The only difference between them in the modern world is that Islam dominates in a part of the world that is a collapsed civilization. The Ottomans held it together unnaturally for a few extra centuries, but the Arab world has been a ruin of its former glory during the Middle Ages for a long time. Every Arab monarch, Islamist extremist, Arab nationalist, Shia theocratic radical, Baathist .. All of them are trying to recreate some piece of what they see as the glory their people have lost. And that is a dangerous idea. THIS is why modern Islam has violent tendencies. Ironically, it has everything to do with history and almost nothing to do with the Quran itself.
I am Jewish as well and it has often been a struggle to explain how Judaism is a Religion and Jewish people are an ethnic group. I finally boiled it down to a few things: 1. Judaism in a non prostelatizing faith, so the only new Jews are people who intentionally sought out to be converted. I may be wrong but I think forced conversions ended in the days of Jacob. This resulted in highly insular communities over generations. 2. Over time as the Diaspora spread and people converted to the new faith of the new arrivals the same patterns began of insular communities forming around the faith. 3. So now we have certain Ethnic groups that have practiced Judaism in their part of the world for centuries and became known in those areas as "the Jews". SO are Jews a monolithic people, not really, but the ethnic communities around the world rooted in Judaism are Jews.
ex muslim here I'm from Iran and I'm a man myself but I would say over 85 % of the women I have ever met in my life would rather not have hijab so yeah sometimes I see people who look and sound like Caucasian and I say with myself : it's a lot different when you are born into it
I feel like that's an issue that's often overlooked. The people who say that it's a personal choice are often based in non religious democracies. It's easy for them to say. It's no so easy for muslim women in other parts of the world
First you were Shia not Muslim Second 85% of woman you've met okay 95% I've met said they'll like to wear hijab and 87% said niqab. Let's be academic here and not lie to the public thanks 👍
@Christopher Mayer It's the same concept. Another example would be to interview the Chinese about how they feel about the AI facial recognition systems and the social point system. Of course they're all gonna say it's great, because if they don't they'll lose social points and lose the ability to travel, to make loans at banks or to apply for certain jobs. Likewise a muslim woman criticising islam would mean she wouldn't go to her skywizard's paradise in heaven anymore, and get shunned by her community.
@Christopher Mayer I never said that. I'm simply pointing out that many Muslim women don't have any other choice but to say they think Islam is great, regardless of whether or not it's true. Furthermore, a lot of Muslims genuinely feel like they love their religion not because the religion itself is great, but because of psychological factors that also cause people to genuinely love other harmful religions, cults, and extreme political ideologies.
Yet another reason why Islam is great. Its authoritarianism retains the consistency of its moral values. It's so much so rebellion is almost impossible.
@@jendoubinour6902 It's not the same with all religions and if you think a piece of clothing on the head is the extent to which women are oppressed in Islam, you are severely mistaken. If you're a man in a predominantly Catholic country, nobody will beat the shit out of you or throw acid in your face if you choose to not become a priest. The restrictions are shitty, but some people voluntarily choose to have those restrictions and others don't have to. If you're a woman in a predominantly Muslim country, you don't have the choice to opt out of your oppression. Even if all the other religions were as bad as Islam, that would be irrelevant to the conversation. This is a comment thread about Islam on a video about Islam. Islam's treatment of women is unacceptable, and whatever oppressive beliefs other religions have won't suddenly make Islam's treatment of women acceptable.
@@jendoubinour6902 I'm not talking about marriage at a young age or polyamorous marriage. I'm talking about stuff like female political activists literally facing executions in Islamic countries. I reiterate that Christianity is irrelevant to this conversation. I agree that Christianity is evil, but that's irrelevant. This video and this comment thread are about how Islam is evil, and the problem is that you're defending it.
I feel like after the Islamophobia that followed 9/11 liberals and people on the left have over corrected as to distance themselves from bigotry; however, in doing so, have failed to see the hypocrisy of criticizing Christianity while refusing to criticize Islam. I agree that criticizing a religion is not the same as being hateful towards people who practice that religion.
Yep, this is a great problem in liberalism and in the left. Our camp is abandoning secularism, when secularism is a fundamental pilar of liberal or socialist worldview. This error is costing us a lot of support. I personally think that liberalism is becoming other thing, a post-liberalism, Tipos de tradução because liberal universalist ideals are being lost and giving way to a patchwork of values based on competing identities. In a way, it is a consequence of neoliberalism, transforming identity into a commodity or a VIP area, where people consume it to be part of a group and the values of the particular group are more important than any universalist ideal. This has to do with post-modernity itself, obviously. However, on the other hand, this has also led to the collapse of left-wing politics, because people can no longer show solidarity to build coalitions beyond their own identities. I still think that this kind of more universalist coalition politics still occurs in the United States, but in my country, the division has become very deep, people don't really care about other people's causes anymore, only their own causes. But the Islamic question is central to this new post-liberal and post-socialist (or post-progressive, to summarize) subjectivity: Islam represents a challenge to modernity - which became a problem for romantic progressivism - and also became a continuity of the anti-colonial struggle. The old progressive ideals of secularism, tolerance, democracy, freedom, equality, female emancipation, etc., cease to be ideals for everyone, and become "another facet of colonialism", and for "post-progressivism", the last act of iconoclasm against our social order, is no longer attacking Christianity and conservative values, but attacking modernity itself, completely giving up its unfinished project to embrace a form of "political spirituality" (to use the term that Foucault used to praise the Iranian Islamic revolution). In this way, post-progressism sees the reaffirmation of any reactionary value as valid, as long as it is not universal. As in post-modernity, human beings desperately escape the becoming of reality (due to the condition of constant disruption of neoliberal capitalism), and become alienated in identity (maintaining identity is a form of idealistic denial of becoming - in Greek philosophy, the ontology of identity appears in Parmenides as a denial of Heraclitus' physicalist ontology based on becoming). In this way, Western radicalism, in this period, stops attacking Western traditions to attack current Western identity, but still within an identity paradigm. In this way, the deconstruction of the modern secular identity of the West becomes more important, even if this preserves all conservatism and identity-based Platonic metaphysics - which is obviously also the basis of Islam, because Islam, like Christianity, arose amid The great influence of Neoplatonic idealism, entirely based on Parmenides' metaphysics of identity. To break with this, progressivism must completely break with the ontology of identity, preserving not only materialism, but resorting to other philosophical systems that have ontologies based on becoming (such as those in East Asia), to re-embrace modernity, but without a sense of "Western identity" that the first notion of modernity still possesses (an idea that to modernize is in a way to "Westernize"). In a way, post-progressivism wants to combat Western identity, combating modernity with "political spirituality", promoting a synthesis between "West and East (in this case the Islamic world)". But this synthesis completely preserves the ontology of identity, for in reality, the Islamic world is, in some ways, like the pre-modern Western world, so that the post-progressive romantic fantasy is in fact the old reactionary desire for a return. of the traditional pre-capitalist past. The true synthesis is not with Islam, as this, despite being an "other", is not substantially different, it is in fact the similar one onto which we project our repressed characteristics. The synthesis with Islam is just a continuation of the Western tradition, which would become not only Judeo-Christian and Neoplatonic, but Judeo-Christo-Islamic and Neoplatonic. The true synthesis would occur with the complete abandonment of Neoplatonism to fully embrace the metaphysics of becoming based on the philosophies and worldviews of people truly different from the Western identity. This would not be a project against modernity, it would be taking modernity to its ultimate consequences. Obviously orientalism is a central theme in this discussion, but obviously post-progressives are extremely orientalist, as they also see Islam as the "big other" so that it becomes the "antidote" to Western modernity. I do see that the West may radically abandon modernity in the near future, but I consider that it will survive in East Asia. So, we will have a "paradox": a traditionalist west and a modern east asia. I believe, that unless the current reactionary and post-progressive wave is reversed in the West, that this is quite possible by the end of the century, as the current situation is leading us into a dark age. On the other hand, no matter how complex the geopolitical situation in East Asia is, there are no deeper conflicts of identity or ideology than Asian politics in general. Drastic events, such as a war or revolutions, could actually accelerate the integration of Asia, which would be in the interests of capital. Today it may seem impossible for there to be substantial changes in the Chinese regime, the Korean peninsula and Japan's status as a Western ally. However, this could change in 75 years. I truly believe that without the Neoplatonic and Abrahamic religious traditions, East Asia can advance much further as a civilization than the West, which is totally exhausted, where the appeals of modernity have faded, the vast majority want to return to a mystical past, based on religion and ethnic divisions, although on the surface it may still appear different - we know from the statistics on irreligion that the majority in this group are not truly atheists or agnostics, this group may actually tend to convert to Islam if the Islamic issue becomes the great political issue of the century for the West. This is a risk because of identity-based metaphysics: post-progressive subjectivity identifies everything that is "Western" in appearance as "bad" and therefore identifies with that which is its antithesis in appearance, that is, "political spirituality." , the Islamic world, even though in essence, both things have the same origin and in practice, they are the same thing.
I can only speak for myself but no Muslim has ever been an ass to me personally, but I've encountered Christians who on discovering I'm not one of them have gone on to treat me like trash.
Every time I hear a Muslim saying "Taliban is no true Islam, Al-Qaeda is no true Islam, etc" I'm like "Then what is true Islam because that's exactly what Taliban/Al-Qaeda members would say about your Islam"
you would have a valid point, if any of those groups had even 1% of the total muslim population, fringe groups don’t define billions of people the groups you speak of are first and foremost militant groups, to exercise power and wreak havoc, not to revolutionise Islam
Nah, There is no true islam, one can interpret Quran differently then others but that's why there are scholars. We follow what majority of the scholars says and our own interpretation. Everyone has a chance to get into heaven in our religion if they do good deed. Also things people get wrong: 1. You cannot force someone to convert. 2. You can't meddle in someone's religion 3. If you are a parent, you should introduce the religion to your child, minimum age of 10 years old. 3.5. Parents cannot force their child to follow their beliefs. 4. Everyone will go to hell for their wrong doings but will get into heaven once they finish serving their debt. 4.5. There are things you can do to prevent or limit your time spent in hell.
Hi. I am curious philosopher and I came to the exact same thought about hell as you have written here. Is it part of you own personal belief or it is from some religion or philosophy you know? I really want to know where this thought originates.
@@ciernyonyx9349 Hello curious fellow ＼(^o^)／. The holy book of Islam, the Quran have rules written on it for mankind to not do bad things to each other and nature. To answer your question it is both, before I became Muslim, it was similar to my personal belief then I read Quran's translated version and hadeeth (word's of the last Prophet) and became Muslim due to similarities and clearance of my questions about the after life. Like my previous comment was about Islamic after life so the answer to your question will really be: it is from the religion Islam. Also if you read this far curious soul, here's a fun fact: Allah (Islam's God) really likes people who pursue knowledge. Read about other religions too if you got time, they are fascinating.
@@loreyxillumina I tried to search this topic online but I haven't found anything at all. Just classical perception of hell as a place for sinners. Could you possibly sent some link or name that will help me gain closer look?
As an ex-Muslim, I am glad my atheist friends criticized Islam in front of me with well reason arguments. Furthermore even when I was still a Muslim I never saw intellectual discourse on religious matters as bigotry.
Then you are not a Muslim to start with. I have seen muslims who defend anything that their religion profess just because it is their duty to defend. Here in my country dozens of people are killed for supporting criticism of Islam.
@@yassinshenawy6974 compared to what it was like for women before, what Islam gave was better. But compared to how things have progressed over the years afterwards, now they're lacking in Islam. It was a progressive step, yes, but it wasn't enough.
@@randomuser5443 The bible also has the "advantage" of being a translation of a translation of a somewhat selective collection of stories from different authors, many of which weren't even contemporaries of the people they wrote about. So whilst there are bible literalists and whilst they are stupid, other christians can always fall back on the fact that the bible isn't actually the word of god. The Quran on the other hand was allegedly dictated to Mohammed straight from the heavens, with some muslim movements going so far as to invalidate any version of it that isn't in the original arabic language. This means whatever is written in that book can't possibly misrepresent the religion itself.
@@darthplagueis13 This is so true, a lot of Christians hold their hands up and say "It was written by man, and even under the guidance of God, man are inherently flawed. Therefore the Bible is going to have some problems." This is of course ridiculous however, because then it's up to the reader to choose what is in fact true and what is in fact a metaphor or a mistake. Typically this argument is by more liberal Christians though, ones who ultimately believe in and live by secular ideals but uphold the idea that God willed it into being. Praying usually equates to making things continue to be fairly good, and help me stop masturbating or something. And these people are fairly harmless so arguing with them is probably what makes some turn more extreme rather than less, because their approach is not to rock the boat by being fairly liberal in the first place. What is scary is when you meet someone who still upholds that the bible is true even when basic concepts don't add up. And the Quran seems to be an example of preeeettttyy strong views that don't feel good in Western Modern thinking. Also, the Christians have the advantage of Jesus, someone who basically rewrites the rule book halfway through. Therefore the old testament is taken with a pinch of salt. Perfect for those who can be Catholic and somehow have gay best friends.
It has the answer to everything EXCEPT landing a man on a moon and make a GOOD COOL economic progress.cutting hand for convicted theft is very MODERATE
I'm an ex Muslim woman. :) Like the hijab, I could go outside without it but I would be shamed by everyone. So it's more like a "choice". Also I found out I truly cannot pretend I'm not a lesbian.
I left Islam when I read the Qur’an and the. biography of Muhammad, the Prophet of Islam Now I live in Iraq and I can't talk about it even with my family I might be killed, and society will reject me, it's very difficult for me and many Arabs leave Islam every day, but they cannot announce that because they may be killed and of course society rejects them.
When I was at work around the time the Taliban took over Afghanistan I asked my Muslim boss, who is otherwise a really nice guy, had to say about the issue. He turned to me and said "well... anything done in the name of Alah cannot be a bad thing". And that's when it hit me that people who are otherwise kind hearted can be influenced to agree with bad things due to religion. I always knew that to be true but at that moment is when it hit me like a rock.
that is the craziest shit i've ever heard. Its like a basic rule of all religions of the BOOK that those who act in God's name falsely are committing a Sin. Just because someone shouts ALLAH when they do something doesn't mean Allah (praise be) would agree with their act. Its not a rubber stamp of approval for your behavior that you just say "It was for God".
I actually did a research paper on forced conversion and one of the FIRST pages was about the fact that nobody wants to see the horrific things happening under (usually) islam because any criticism is seen as islamaphobia so it makes those who suffer, suffer more
Omg the same thing can be said for criticizing gender identity especially as it relates to children. Transphobia gets thrown around so much that quite frankly it's lost any real meaning.
Yes speaking with Ex Muslim women regarding how they were victims of Islam is an excellent idea and ill compare it to speaking with detransitioners. Speaking with people who were once in the Trans cult can more accurately portray how deceptive and manipulative it can be.
The Catholic Church uses the wiry cult to describe itself. This word has taken on a negative connotation in recent generations, but originally, it simply meant “creed.”
@@cloudsstar Islam started as a desert cult that allowed Muhammad to have numerous wives of any ages and even allow himself access to wives of family members if he so desired and that's to say nothing of him having intercourse with a nine year old. None of these are actions you'd think are befitting of God's example of a perfect man. But, it's exactly what you'd expect from a middle aged pervert whom created a cult and professed to be an infallible man ordained by God in order to get his end away with anyone. Cult leaders do this today!
“Pure” Cognitive Dissonance requires two precepts, or a precept and a condition, or some other pairing of statements. One thing (‘liberals defending Islam’) is just that: one statement, on its own. I think you’ve probably just been watching too much Joe Rogan (or someone like that?) and have a vague sense of how they use the phrase ‘cognitive dissonance’ epithetically - but you sound like a ding-dong when you just flippantly throw it around like this. I could tell you how to use/rephrase this concept so that it makes sense and you sound like you know what you’re talking about, if you want? But I’ll wait and give ya a chance to get mad and call me a ‘gay homo🤓
If I hear the words “cognitive dissonance” one more time I’m going to die! I don’t think people understand what “dissonance” even is! Dissonance can be described by musical dissonance, you have to know and recognize contradictions is order to be considered “dossonance”. If you think about a B## and D might not seem dissonant in your head, but it is dissonant is practice, this it’s not “cognitive dissonance” if you don’t realize that it’s contradictory.
Me and a friend were discussing this topic over text a week or two ago. I was expressing my newfound discomfort with *any* religion (not just Mormonism and Christianity) upon finally declaring that I was agnostic. A few Muslim you tube channels I had been following to learn more (as we should) started making me upset, as I realized my disdain for organized religion extended past the one I grew up in. I didn’t want to be islamophobic, and I finally just asked her (among other things about her perspective on religion) “How do we separate atheism/agnosticism from religious bigotry?” She replied by pointing out the difference between religion and religious people. I can feel negative emotions towards religions, that is within my right. But the moment I start defining people solely based on my perception of their religion, I am participating in religious discrimination.
But now the problem lies where one defines themselves completely from religion alone...it is because of this totalitarian thinking, these people will consider any critique of their religion as a critique on themselves as well. Hence, the pockets of bigotry that hide amongst organised religion...”the right to practice religion” is now equivalent to “the right to discriminate”.
@@unknownunwanted1445 lmaooo conservatives are so damn pathetic. Anyone that doesn't agree with you people are NPC's the irony is definitely lost with your kind.
@@zenryucds747 Both sides try so hard to be better than the other, ...both sides end up being just like the other. It's like christians thinking their arabic diety is better than the other arabic diety from islam, who's also better, but not as good as the jewish-arabic diety... While they all fight it out to prove who's better, ..at the end of the day, they're all the same pile of steaming shit. That's your Left-Right politics. Fucking clown.
@@unknownunwanted1445 nah I did tbh, and you middlemen make absolutely nothing happen. You don't change anything. All you people do is sit there and judge both sides without making any impact. I hate conservatives but shit atleast they stand for something. Atleast they can make a decision instead of being a pathetic middleman without any real opinions.
The middle hates the people of both sides. Just look at how you conduct yourselves! You're our toys. We mess with your sides all the time, and when you decide to come at us, we trigger your opponent into a rage and then you have to focus on that, ...not us - The Controllers of the Game. "We middle people don't make stuff happen, or stand for anything," he says... Bitch, please. We stand for controlling the masses... Having power over you. The ability to "trigger you" into doing something for our personal gains... There is a Utopia - But "your kind" will never see it... The middle won't allow "your kind." Masochistic misanthropes only, kiddo.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, as an ex-muslim this means a lot especially when genuine criticism is made against it is labeled as “islamophobia” the term itself is wrong, its racism ,islamophobia has always been used to silent the experiences of ex-muslims, and criticism and the bigotry and hate it’s perpetuates against others
@@mtc-j9i not really it’s most of times is used correctly, not to silent people, but it’s a different case for islam as i explained the term itself is wrong.
I find it odd that criticism of Islam is said by many to be "racist" since Muslims are composed of multiple "races". I agree - Islamophobia is frequently used (NPR comes to mind) as a way to end the conversation.
That is such a good point that it erases the experiences of ex Muslims and forces them to be quiet. That is such an excellent point I really appreciate you sharing it.
There is also the fact that 'honor killings' are a very real thing in Muslim society, especially but not only in Islamic countries. They happen all over the world including here in the United States, and they are a huge problem in Islamic countries. For a Muslim woman speaking out against how women are treated under Islam, or saying that she doesn't want to wear the hijab, or even reporting that she was raped (when there aren't at least four male witnesses to back her up) can be a death sentence. That kind of thing tends to influence one's speech.
Honor killings are caused by cultural causes, not religious. And correlation doesn't mean causation, crime rate is higher in general when the country is poorer. If you were so against the killings of innocent people you wouldn't stand with Israel
@@asmo_1929 -- In strict Muslim countries culture and religion are tightly intertwined, so much so that it's impossible to separate them. It's not a coincidence that honor killings are only a problem in Muslim countries and among Muslims living in Western countries. Nobody else is doing it. As for Israel, they're literally doing more to prevent the killing of innocents than any country in the history of warfare has ever done, but it's damn hard to prevent when Hamas is using their own civilians as human shields and intentionally getting them killed because it makes for great propaganda. Their blood is on Hamas, not Israel.
@@futuresonex Honor killings are a problem in the Philipines and India as well and they are not muslim. And in the US these things happen in small rural towns, where the majority are conservative christians. Why do people just go on the internet and lie? No one is immune to propaganda. Even in your world view, I wouldn't want to get shot by the police if a criminal was holding me as a human shield. You do you, keep justifying crimes against humanity
@@asmo_1929-- Actually, much of India and the Philipines are in fact Muslim, and that's where the honor killings take place. There have also been a handful that have occurred here in the United States, once again, all Muslims. You may not like it, but honor killing is almost entirely a product of Islamic societies. It is what it is. As for Israel, Hamas started a war knowing full well what would come next and they not only showed no concern whatsoever for the people of Gaza, but they are using them as human shields and intentionally getting them killed. Not long ago a group of Hamas terrorists opened fire on a group of Gazans that was trying to evacuate to one of the safe zones designated by Israel for the people to go to where they would be safe. Hamas wouldn't let their human shields leave. Israel is doing everything they can to avoid killing civilians, but it's war. Israel will destroy Hamas. They have to unless they want another 10/7 attack. Hamas has clearly states their intention to make attacks like 10/7 over and over again. If they continue to use human shields, and they will, there will be more civilian casualties. That's war. The Nazis got a hell of a lot of German civilians killed during WW2. That's just how it works. The Nazis at least had the integrity not to use German civilians as human shields, but Hamas is worse than the Nazis ever were. They must be destroyed, and they will be. Sadly, they will see to it that a hell of a lot of innocents die with them.
@@futuresonex you may not like it but annecdotal evidence is not evidence. Saying that these killings in America are a product of Islam is completely invented, when I countered that with the fact that it happens in rural areas, and Muslims are concentrated in urban areas. Just read a little, you are literally assuming. You don't even have to read that much, just do a google search. As I said it's cultural. Correlation doesn't mean causation, and there are a lot of other causes in these countries (homophobia, sexism, economy). I never heard this to be a problem in Albania, which has a much higher muslim percentage than the US (or philipines or India). Your double standards are very much on display. At least 10 times more palestinian casualties than israelis. That's not self defence. It's like if someone was stealing from my yard so I shoot them dead. Shouldn't you hold Israel's government to a higher standard than Hamas? If we are talking about the government of a country compared to a terrorist organization. You made up your mind before you looked at any information, otherwise you would't be riding Netanyahu so hard. Blockading food, water and electricity doesn't do anything other than killing innocent people. Collective punishment is a war crime
@@ArthurIdrisov Just don't call it fascism. Fascism isn't just anything that is bad, fascism is an actual ideology with specific ideas, not a boogeyman you can call everything you disagree with.
@ezeeckiel yes fascism. Islam doesnt fit the definition. You talked about censorship and I gave you the example of another ideology that does the same.
Hey good one, maybe some people of your famly don't liked it, but it was your decision. You are someone that think for yourself, whrn people stop loving the comunity but yourself i think we gonna evolve a little.
😂😂😂😂yeh you’re right. And well...I don’t really want to be a part of a community that doesn’t/won’t accept me for who I am. No regrets ditching those kind of ppl. I want to do what I want to do. And being part of a community/group doesn’t exactly allow for that. So it’s in my best interest to forget about ppl and ditch ideologies( in this case Islam) that prevents me from being the individual that I am.
But has your pain been relieved yet? One does not need to live under islam to understand that it is a wicked and tyrannical system. But neither will any political ideology deliver humanity from the cycle of strife in which we are trapped, or deliver us from death. I have lived six decades in a liberal society, and appreciate its benefits. But there is no sorrow or evil which has been eliminated because of the way we do politics, which is often ugly and competitive, and definitely archaic. The fact that we enjoy peace to a greater degree than most countries has a lot to do with our geographic location, remote from major sources of geopolitical conflict. According to the Bible, natural-born human beings are afflicted with a fatal condition from birth, from conception in fact. (Romans 3:23) 'For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.' (Psalm 51:5) 'Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin my mother conceived me.' (1st John 1:8) 'If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.' (Romans 6:23) 'For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Jesus Christ our Lord.' (1st Timothy 2:5) 'For there is one God, and one mediator also between God, and men, the man Christ Jesus.' (Romans 5:8) 'For God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.' (Romans 10:9) '...if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.' ---------- Iusually recommend reading the Gospel of mark, which gives a concise play-by-play account of jesus' life, death, and Resurrection. Of course everything I am trying to show you is completely contrary to both islam and secular humanism. But God wants you to know Him, and to relieve your pain. All the best.
but, like, don't you recognize that there are different branches of islam and that the most extremist and discriminatory branch should not be the only one considered?
this is based as fuck and actually makes sense. youre criticizing the religion you were once indoctrinated with. i dont know enough about islam to make good enough criticisms of it besides general broad terms. but I CAN criticize the heck out of christianity because i spent the first 11 years of my life in it.
'Modern' Mvslim women: ''I reject the concept of individual sovereignty and act strictly out of faithful obedience to 4llah! So respect my individual sovereignty!' Wait... wut?
Everything is relative. Many Muslims don't believe in wearing the hijab and have their own perspectives on Islam. I mean never in the Quran does it explicitly say you must wear so and so. But I understand why people think this way
I used to work as a pilot in the UAE, and our company had a few contracts in Saudi as well. So on occasion we would ferry aircraft back and forth. On one such trip my buddy was told on short notice. He’d just arrived from leave and brought a whole bunch of pork jerky from home, assuming he’d be in the UAE for the duration of his rotation. Pork is not banned in the UAE. He’s then told nope, you’re going to Saudi for a few months. Damn it! So he rolls the dice and decides to bring his pork jerky with us. When the aircraft is searched upon entry, the pork jerky is dismissed as beef jerky. No worries, life is good. A few days after we arrive were informed that we need to bring another aircraft back down to the UAE, and we’ll both finish our work rotations there. Long story short, while he certainly isn’t the first person to smuggle pork into Saudi Arabia... there is a good chance he’s the first to smuggle pork OUT of Saudi Arabia 🤣🤣🤣
I can't help but remember when my wife and I were in Istanbul (Turkey) we visited a mosque. She was given a scarf to cover her head at the door (but I had no dress code) and inside was a gigantic "arena", a cathedral with a ceiling that was easily 10 stories above us. All over the floor within there were *_men_* kneeling down kissing the floor. In one small corner there was a cordoned off area with a kitchen in it and a sign on the gate saying *_"women's praying area."_* That's really stuck with me and no one can tell me that Islam isn't a misogynistic religion where women have no rights, sorry... I witnessed it for myself!
Yes! This is something Muslim women talk a lot about, the lack of good praying areas in Mosques, even in the Western Mosques, it sucks but it's not because of the religion, it's mostly due to culture and how they perceive women, Islam actually has a pretty fair view of women if you read the Quran the issue lies with people that don't respect that, which is the majority :(
@@chickpea Religions are all man made so it's no surprise. Christianity has similar ideas but not so severe as Islam. 1Timothy 2:12 in the Bible says women must be silent. Prayer doesn't work because there's no god to listen to them. If you listen to women who have dumped their faith you'll hear what a relief it's been (as long as it doesn't endanger their lives which it sometimes does).
@@warren52nz Im not religious but Its important to understand the historical setting and context behind verses. It's the reason that people look at those loose verses and interpret them at face value that makes things pretty bad for everyone, this goes for every religion, that Timothy verse, per example, is talking about a church setting and how believers have to be silent when attending, but biased translations and misogynistic people will take anything and run with it just to make themselves feel superior and put others down, I completely understand where you are coming from.
@@chickpea You're completely correct although there's a plethora of verses to point at and run with that suggest religious texts should only be viewed in a historical context and not as a guide on how to behave in the 21st century.
@@warren52nz Oh yes, I personally view religious text as mere moral stories where we should take the morals they tell and learn from that, not take them as pure historical accuracy because truth be told, religion can be a fun topic to study when not taken as seriously as people do often.
Thank you for making this video. As a leftist it frustrates me how we too often give Islam a free pass on its oppressive beliefs/practices just because its practitioners happen to be oppressed to a certain extent by our own government. It's something the left really needs to work towards moving forward.
You despise oppression yet want to oppress people's right to practice religion unless it aligns to your own values. True religious freedom cannot exist in a leftist utopia.
Yep. We need to defend PEOPLE not religion. I honestly don't even get the concept of disrespecting a religion. Like it's just an ideology. I don't have to respect it. I can respect people who choose to believe in it, but why should I respect the belief itself? It's a belief, not a person, how does it have "respect"?
@@athenam4724 Yes. Defend the victims of these bad ideas, but not the perpetrators of the organizations... America is full of "religious" people robbing religious people for personal profit... See Joel Osteen.
I had a friend who was a muslim and would push me to convert by giving me quran on birthday and sending me videos of preachers etc. I am very non political and non religious but his constant nagging made me unconfortable. I asked him about various terror org and why muslims are fighting with all religions and he supported the terrorists and said that they are doing it coz they are persecuted. I asked him why Muslims get so angry and not fit in with others .he said that other faiths have prejudices for muslims thats why. That was all i needed to know. I slowly made my distance from him and hardly talk except birthdays etc. They are mentally victims and angry and i dont want that vibe in my life.
I think people really underestimate hijabs and the role they play in oppressing Muslim women. It's not a harmless tradition of dress. Yes, there are bigger issues out there, but it actually plays a role in keeping women down. Much like some Christian attitudes toward modesty (especially in Mormonism), it often asserts that women are responsible for men's thoughts to some degree, just because of the way they dress. It becomes a form of victim blaming.
This is a VERY simple matter. Muslims women are obligated to cover themselves and this command came from Allah. So now what does a muslim do? Obey Allah. So if muslim women choose to wear hijabs for the sake of Allah,how is that oppression? In your logic,everything anyone does for the sake of God,may they be jewish or christian,are oppressed. That makes zero sence what so ever. Also,there are muslim women all over the world defending this claim and their righrs to wear what ever they want. The fact that its a hijab what they want should be a testimony of their strong belief. Let me also add what where did you even get this claim like did you speak to EVERY muslim woman and made a statement from that or what? Never mind,i don't expect a answer about something that is basically a made up lie.
@@rileysel1548 You should meet my sister then. Here she is NOT forced to wear a hijab but does it anyways since its a command fron Allah. She could not care less how i or you feel. If you are a muslim you should know that we do everything for the sake of Allah. So for a muslim woman to wear a hijab is not a man made law but its from God almighty. Also i have been all around europe and i spent 2 years on and off in the emirates. I didn't ser anyone who was forced to wear a hijab. Im not saying people are not forced to wear but a woman who follows islam is never forced to wear a hijab. If you want to neglect what Allah has commanded youto do then its all on you. No one should force you to wear a hijab. If someone does it then its a mistake they are making. You are old ebough to know whats right or wrong. You don't see me complaining how the husband in islam is the bread provider. Thats a bit more heavier thing then yours. We follow it because thats the right path. A muslim would know that.
I used to be like this. I think that the reason that so many liberals defend islam is that they grew up with christianity. I never had a problem criticizing christianity because I've experienced it's harmful ways, but with islam i didn't have that connection and therefore didn't feel obligated to hate it if that makes sense? Also i worked with refugees and really wanted to do everything to defend them. It took me a while to recognize that you can criticize a religion without being mean to the people who believe in it.
Do you live in a country, the dominant religion of which is Christianity? If yes, that's why you didn't bother criticizing Islam. And if you haven't had much contact with it, you shouldn't, because you don't know the different ways people practice it. I'm an Atheist in a Muslim majority country, and I criticize Islam because I get told off by MUSLIM people. And that's what I speak out against. I don't get people that speak out against a religion they've never been oppressed by, in a way that's very obvious that you haven't experienced any actual hardship. Idk just my opinion
@@lemonywater2979 I have a Problem with monotheistic religions in general. Christianity and Islam have a lot of things in common. Institutionalized religion is a big issue and I don't get why I shouldn't speak out against it. And I'm not saying that all christians or muslims are bad, I'm saying that religion often is a tool used to control masses and create fear and hate. I have nothing against people that practice their religion without hurting others and I know the different kinds of islam because i had a MUSLIM explain them to me. Also, I said in my original comment that I grew up with christianity and therefore didn't criticize islam so i doubt you fully read it. And if everyone kept to criticizing problems that only matter to them then nothing would ever get solved. I don't know if you meant to word it that way but it also irks me that you insinuated that critics have never experienced actual hardship. That's a really bad argument against criticism because you don't know anything about other people's life and their criticism is still valid.
@@KAISER_187 that person did. Clearly, they had negative experiences with the religion that may have included emotional manipulation and a strong emphasis on blind faith over constructive thought.
It's incredibly hard, as an ex-Catholic, to hear women talk about how wearing hijabs and being modest "liberates" them. I grew up hearing that same lie, while being shamed and yelled at every time I lifted my arms and my stomach was exposed, or for developing breasts and having my nipples poke through the fabric of my shirt when I was twelve. I know those ideas are harmful, but I don't want to come across as racist or islamaphobic, so I don't say anything. I'm grateful for the ex-Muslim community who's speaking up for these women.
It's not racist to criticise an ideology, just like it isn't racist to criticise nazism or communism. But yes, you'll be unjustly branded a racist by ignorant idiots who don't know the difference between genetics and ideology.
Halberdier I’d say that GM Skeptic said it best that we shouldn’t be conflating *Islam* with *Muslims* .The idea that a monolith of Muslims will completely overwhelm and make a theocracy of Europe is baseless and conspiratorial. That being said, I don’t argue that the religion of Islam itself advocates for a theocracy. Really any religion, especially one that’s demographically or culturally dominant in any particular region, will insist maintaining its dominant grasp.
saifMSK the point is to educate and empower all women to feel self confident and able to make their own choices for themselves as to how they dress and behave, instead of having to submit to the will of any patriarchal figure, be he father, husband, or god. When a woman says “I choose to wear a hijab because Allah commands it.” that is not a statement of freedom but of oppression, no different than a slave saying “I choose to work for my master because if I don’t he will beat me.” The slave doesn’t really have a choice, and neither does the woman.
As an Atheist, I was once critical of Islam here on UA-cam, and a Muslim apologist replied to me by more or less saying, Christianity had bad and unseemly scripture that condones violence. I, of course, pointed out that I was an Atheist and therefore what they argued was a moot point, because all that it proved to me that religion in general is bullshit. I honestly think there are Muslims that conveniently like to believe that anyone who criticizes Islam is Christian because it validates the archaic and less seemly parts of the Qu'ran. The whole, well what about them argument is nonsensical as it really does nothing to justify religious nonsense. All it does is strengthen my own, and other atheists' resolve.
@@zvipatent Also that mother lode of bad ideas in Islam is often the legally enforced law of the land in most muslim countries. Big difference from predominately Christian countries where the bible may have alot of bad ideas, but it is not the legally enforced law of the land. Seperation of church and state would make a big difference in the muslim world I think.
I've been accused of being a Christian propagandist by several Muslim and Jewish apologists over the years, and they try so hard to prove that's exactly what I am. Right up until I tell them I'm a Pagan. It's kind of hard to be a Christian Propagandist when you don't even believe in the religion
Unlike the lib right ( capitalist liberals not populist) the lib left doesn’t get that religion mixing with state, especially Islam is the enemy of liberals. While secularism is indeed important, the lib left ignores all the dangers of Sharia.
@@anshdshrh9619 You are right, Islam is the enemy of liberalism, and that's a good thing, knowing what resulted from liberalism. Sharia means LAW, it's not Boogie man trust me. People from different religions and ethnicities coexisted in harmony during Islam. We don't have Inquisitions nor mass murderers like you liberals (Stalin and Tse tung)
@@Jaafar_Alkhalifa Says liberals are bad. Uses 2 of the most authoritarian regimes ever to prove his point. Lol. Liberal’s the opposite of authoritarian. Liberalism is the belief in a limited government and political and economic freedoms, the exact opposite of authoritarian socialism
@w9j15g Now you are being rational. Being rational is not allowed in Islam as is questioning or criticising. Blind obedience to Allah and his medieval misogynistic, paedophile, gay and Jew-hating crazed prophet is all that is called for in that doctrine.
I've always disagreed when I hear someone say "I have no problem with anyone personally". At what point is there accountability for the ownership of one's beliefs? For an extreme example, if someone were to believe that raping children is okay, would you still say "I have no problem with them personally, I just disagree with the belief that raping children is okay'. I would say no...I definitely have a problem with them, because their beliefs are a part of who they are.
Personally, i give benefit of the doubt and assume they just worded it poorly, but i agree with what you say. A person's professed beliefs are a part of their character and should be judged as such. The point is that there are other parts to a person's character, and taking statements like that on face value is usually a bad idea (though perhaps not in the example you gave). Often times, what someone thinks they believe isn't quite what they actually believe.
Not exactly. A belief doesn't change, but what a person believes in can change. And as the person above said, what one thinks they believe isn't always what they actually believe. A person might think they believe killing an atheist is the right thing to do, but find that they cannot do it when faced with the situation.
This seems like a bit of a strawman argument. You used a made up and self-admitted extremely exaggerated example to explain why people shouldnt say they have no problem with Islam. Obviously I believe Islam can and should be critiqued but you used far too extreme an example.
And both of them are right because both those elements exist in Islam, and Christianity, and... This is why religion can be fine when it internally helps a person find their place in the chaotic and confusing world, but becomes cruel when the True Doctrine (TM) must be enforced on others.
TheGroovyJones preach it👏🏼👏🏼 religion is great if it brings a person sanctity but it should never be forced upon or made so its incredibly difficult to leave.
The problem is, even if it is kept at arm's length, it can never truly be separate. Religion is part of the formation of one's morals. Thus, those in politics still exert influence considered "moral" by their religion. There are some compromises that can never happen because of a moral, and therefore religious, difference in opinion. Without the option to argue religion, the decision must be made by a contest, rather than an argument.
@@ajinkyathorat7502 Exactly. All religions deserve the same criticisms. Which in that case neither Christianity nor Judaism nor any Abrahamic religion are particularly good or tolerant and all of them are backward.
It is okay to criticize Islam as a religion just as it is okay to criticize Judaism or Christianity. In fact, it is even okay to criticize certain people of a religion for their extreme ideas. However, it is not okay to hate members of these faiths, as a whole. There is no definite idea or inherent evil in every member of any of these faiths, and you must accept this, despite your faith. -Me (An Orthodox Jew)
That’s what the staff at Charlie Hebdo thought. After being gunned down for their cartoons. I note no more cartoons depicting the prophet. Not out of respect but out of fear.
Sahih Muslim book 041 number 6985 Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.
The Koran is a conquest manual and Islam is a codecil of disciplines designed for the spread of control and power of those at the top. There's really nothing noble about it. Would Liberals support Nazism if someone called it a religion? Absurd.
CLEARLY ISLAM IS FOR EQUALITY!!!!! Even Aisha said she had not seen any woman suffer as much as those who submitted to Islam.. wait.... There was going to be point to that..
I don’t think setting up a system of government where you earn your wealth through intelligent trading, and the advancement of science and mathematics is bad
@@the_polish_prince8966 nope, it's mother lode. moth·er lode noun MINING a principal vein of an ore or mineral. a rich source of something. "your portfolio holds a mother lode of opportunities" From Oxford Feedback Translations and more definitions PEOPLE ALSO ASK Is it mother load or mother lode? Although you may dig a load of ore out of a mother lode, the spelling “motherload” is a mistake which is probably influenced by people thinking it means something like “the mother of all loads.” A “lode” was originally a stream of water, but by analogy it became a vein of metal ore.May 25, 2016
Asking a religiously indoctrinated person about their status in their religion tends to elicit a defense of whatever they have been instructed, not what they actually think, or would conclude if they had complete freedom of thought and permission to freely inform themselves. This is why theocracies control information and severely punish dissidents. This is why uncensored Internet tends to kill religion everywhere it is available.
I have many friends who were raised in Muslim culture and escaped. None of them are defending Islam but have a lot to say against it.. 😅 And their stories are heartbreaking, ranging from own mother forced to marry a 20 years older man, who wasn't happy neither to marry a child (and gracefully waited for her to grow up until he had sex with her), women who are from Iran whose parents were more free and now they suffering and escaped Iran, Turkish people who were living here, studying here until they were forced back to Turkey to work in a low paid job for an uncle. Or women who hated hijabs and the jokes like "of course a women can go unveiled, as long she never leaves the house", how they hated it.. Even in school where they had to lie to their parents to see people who weren't "raised in true faith"... This video is 4 years old.. and after October 7th 2023, the Hamas attacks on Israel, the world has to wake up. 😮
@@deanrisk2828 No, I just want to make clear that their problems, like being forced to marry someone, have nothing to do with Islam. They're wounded because of their weird culture.
@@Spouwmuurthat’s facts. tho it’s still kinda sucky cus from my knowledge (correct me if I’m wrong), Muslim men are allowed to marry woman that are Christian or Jews whilst woman aren’t allowed to. And men can have multiple wives whilst woman can’t (with the condition that they treat all their wives equally). Which in the modern world both glaringly can have potential social, financial and emotional repercussions. But it could be worse, just a little eh. 🫤
@@Oreoss You're right on both points. The main reason for this is that we believe men and women are equal (in value) but different. We believe that man in their nature have more authority then women, so a christian father will leave behind christian kids. And a women with 4 husbands would be the same as 4 captains on one ship😅. There are youtubers with way more knowledge then me: Muslimlantern, mohammed hijab, assim al hakeem. But I respect that you did your research👍
@@ahmedaizi1477 Yes they do. Every time islam and christianity talk about Old Testament figures like Noah or Moses, they speak for jews. Every time islam talks about New Testament figures like Jesus and Mary, the speak for christians. The three great monotheisms are a mixture of sequels, prequels, plagiarism and fan fiction.
@@ixlnxs I don't think we 'speak' but because the beliefs are similar (?) We have the concept of Noah (A.S) Moses (A.S) Jesus (A.S) and Mary (A.S) in the Quran. Well the firstthree names are our prophets so we do speak on them, but we do not speak FOR the opposition.
@@moonscore77 They were jewish prophets. Christians and muslims just appropriated them. Muslims also appropriated the christian characters, so islam is the ultimate cultural appropriation and the ultimate plagiarism.
Sometimes starting with something funny is a way to get people to let go of some tension. Tension that might color the whole take of a video. Especially when it is a frowned upon topic.
James Esteron isn’t the whole video a meme? Perhaps you use a different definition of the word “meme” than the definition I’ve used for the past 40+ years, which is that a meme is an element of culture that is passed from one individual to another by non-genetic means. For example, the Macarena is a meme. Reciting “The Lord’s Prayer” is a meme. “All Your Base are Belong to Us” is a meme. Bunches of memes that get transmitted together are called a “meme complex” for example the current North American rituals surrounding the celebration of Christmas.
@@FictionFlareProductions I live in a Texas city that voted for Trump by +49 points, so I know, but I also know people who are very accepting and generous. There are good and bad people in any group.
I talked once with one muslim girl from afghanistan and she confessed that she doesn't want to wear hijab but is forced by her her family and husband that she didn't choose nor can divorce. At the same time when she talked to people whom she didn't know well she would not bring it up if asked saying it's her own choice because why would she mention her problems to others. It's scary to imagine how many more women suffer like this. I have a big problem with those who say that it's their own choice and we should ask muslim women first about it. Of course you would say it's your choice when your entire life you were dictated it is what you must truly want the same way as a person would learn to say that the sky is green when it's not who is living in a society that says that the sky is green and can't be other colour and in case you disagree they dismember you. Another thing that bothers me is how the modern world reacts to criticising islam. I've had experience of people disapproving my stands on islam if we talked about them publicly and then in private very fearful say that they agree. This has happened to me too many times. We live in a world where we are heavily censored and fear to speak up and I will no longer stop myself. I will continue criticising islam as I don't accept silent ignore of shortcomings of the ideology especially having lived in islamic society for 6 years. This ideology is dangerous and people don't realise how much. It doesn't mean I would discriminate anyone though as everyone should be judged by their actions.
I cried when you talked about the situation in Iran( where i live ). thanks for the support! and I agree with you. as a born-muslim and whit my experience of living in Iran it is important to see Islam as a whole and criticize it as an idea . it should not led to anger toward muslims but it should question the ideas that muslims are practising in large scale. Islam is not a private religion, lots of its laws and shariat is about governing society, punishment, economics and how people act in public or private. islamic republic(!) of Iran is a dictatorship based on islamic beliefs. the lifestyle of people is dictated to them there is no diversity and those who break the norm are punished. you can not drink alcohol even in your private parties. there is no bar or clubs. woman can not sing in public or profesionaly unless they are accompanied by a man. woman have to cover their arms and breast legs and torso as said in qoran. ir you do not do these you will be imprisoned. I also have to mention lgbtq+ people's situation... well there is no education and it is culturally a massive taboo. a man who bottoms will be executed and the man who topped him will be whipped! as said in Islam. nonbinary people and transgender people have no other way than transitioning and they will be forced to transition. in the month of ramadan you can not drink or eat in public even if you are not fasting or you will be whipped 80 times( as i know) there is no restaurant or cafes open in fasting period. you can not change your religion or you will be executed because you have left islam(there is a law in Islam that if you leave islam and you express and present your new religion you are mohareb which means that you are fighting against islam so your blood should be shed) . lots of churches are closed and the ones that are open can not accept non-christians
I have heard and seen studies which indicate that alpt of people are leaving islam and becoming either agnostic or atheist. My question is are you yourself seing something like that
@@thema.sosoudid2229 yes of course. I live in a northern city in Iran which is not very religious. but majority of our generation are atheists. in the religious cities like Isfahan or Mashhad or ... the statics are different but even in those cities the non-believer people are growing. there are lots of people older than us who are losing faith. they do not act in religious habits like they used to. mosques are getting emptier and religious events has lost the attraction in the public society.
@@avoirlafoi2580 you are right. If i publicly say that i am ex-muslim it is possible for me to be sentenced to death by the law of islam,and islamic republic of iran. Meanwhile in Iran they use these kind of accusations to suppress activist. For example if I do activities against islamic regime and if they know that i do not believe in Islam my first accusation is that I am Mohareb (which means that i am against allah and islam) and by islamic laws i have to die.
As someone who grew up Muslim, I know the feeling there feeling. Sometimes I feel like my dad will disown me because i refuse to follow Muslim practices. One of the things that appalls me is their ignorance to history that is not Muslim. I have been to Babylon and the Al-Ukhaidir Fortress. One is taken care of while the other is a sitting duck to decay because it is not an muslim "relic". Being Muslim is not a choice for most people but is something they are just expected to follow because it is what their parents believe. I was lucky enough that only one of my parents are Muslim and that I somewhat had a choice of it.
@@LV_427 the concept of hell and paradise is to keep you on the right course as you are here for a test life s ahort but Allah forgives, if you dont want his forgiveness you dont get it
I trust you on it. I was in it for just 3 years as an adult, and never learned more Arabic than to be able to pray. I feel I only scratched the surface. Though it was enough to drive me right out again.
Thank you for making this video👍 I am an ex muslim girl from Turkey and your videos help so much. I still didn't come out so it helps a lot seeing that there are people like me.
Hey I’m an ex Muslim and I love your content. I still have Muslim friends even though I’m an atheist. I usually say that Islam is the problem not Muslims. There are some amazing Muslims who are my best friends but I don’t follow what they believe in but that’s they choose to believe.
Riftsighf itwasreveled 4 different ways and all ate right and each imam took the role of understanding one of the four and started teaching it and again all of the are right and there is only one copy of th Quran it has not been changed at all please educate yourself about my religion before speaking
Valentina Z honestly I really don’t know I’m actually learning g about it atm I’ll get back to u but in my presprective I see it as honestly my life is my life and their life is their life ❤️
Islam is not just a Religion, it has clearly defined political aspects, as such it is an Ideology. We as citizens of a culture, have an obligation to critizise Ideologyes that are dangerous to our society and culture.
@IdleBigots You've just described Christianity in the middle ages. The problem is not islam, the problem - just as in christianity, judaism, or any other religion - is extremism. Yes, Islam is a political ideology - but much of the mideast was very liberal before the oil crisis when we invaded and destabilized every nation in the mideast, leading them into the rule of religious fundamentalism. Islam is a dangerous ideology, but the only difference between the middle ages and now is we're supplying the weapons to allow these people to murder each other rather than doing it ourselves. If we would just GTFO of the mideast, cut off the trade, they would be forced to either digress back into the stone ages or adapt to a modern world.
@@bradscott3165 i agree somewhat with your argument, but still neither christianity nor judaism actievly preaches death to non believers. Not now, and not in the drak ages.
When I was in high school, I had friends from all walks of life and that included a friend who was Muslim. She did not wear a hijab and was even very critical of the religion's tendency to oppress women. It was she who first told me about their various beliefs and when I asked her why she didn't wear her head covering, she told me that she didn't want to wear it as it was a symbol of that oppression. What kills me about liberals who say you cannot criticize Islam, is that they seem to forget that "radicalism" isn't just reserved for those we see as terrorists. Some every day Muslims tend to hold very similar beliefs. I can point to a few off the top of my head right now: the father who killed his two daughters in the back of his car in Texas, the parents of a Muslim girl (who just wanted to be accepted and was tormented by the fact that she was a disappointment to her parents) who killed her in Britain for becoming too Westernized. She did not wear a hijab, she talked to boys, she had a phone number from one and did not wish to be married off to someone she had never met before. Yes, many Muslims aren't like the examples I gave but it is a sad thought that someone can be killed by their family simply for not adhering to Islamic beliefs.
This is especially true in the case of Iran, we are so tired of this Islamic theocracy and our women are burning their forced hijab, we ALL should criticize harmful ideas.
Why do you believe Islam is inhumane, let me know? Because the religion at it's core has nothing to do with terrorism or other extremist ideologies. If it did it wouldn't have reached the hearts and minds of 1.8 billion people. Islam has many different teachings that I don't want to force on you, but the one I will bring up for the sake of conversation. In Islam a teaching that we all learn as young children is to respect everyone no matter their religion or belief. Study before you make a statement about another's religion. P.S Yes, I am a Muslim.
@@freshforreal2302 I'm an ex Muslim. So, let me address what you have said. Islam is not a religion of peace, instead it is a religion which practices extremist and totalitarian values. You say your religion is not extremist, but at its core this is a wrong statement. The Quran is actively inciting violence against non believers. This is the part of the religion which most Muslims refuse acknowledge and or ignore or interpret it differently, but to interrupt these as anything other then hate speech is disingenuous because it cannot be interpreted any other way. Meaning that to truely call oneself a Muslim you have to also embrace these extreme ideologies. Some examples from the Quran: “You shall be called upon to fight a mighty nation, unless they accept Islam.” [48:16] “Whoever fights in the way of Allah, be he slain or victorious, on him we shall bestow a vast reward.” [4:74] “Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. Those who follow him are merciful to one another, but ruthless to disbelievers.” [48:29] “Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve.” [8:55] “O you who believe! Fight those of the non-Muslims who are near to you and let them find harshness in you.” [9:123] “If anyone desires a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of the losers.” [3:85] These are some examples of the radical ideas that the Quran teaches. So, again, it is disingenuous to say that extremist values are not part of Islam. And do not get me started on womens rights, and LGBTQ rights and how these people are represented in Islam. You said, If these extremist ideologies are present in Islam, then why don't the 1.8 billion people act like extremist? Well it's because in the modern age morality is not a concept exclusive to religion. Morality is part of society in this day in age. Since, this the case, people understand right from wrong and reject the extreme values from the Quran because they do not fit with the morality of society today. Or Muslims interpret these extreme ideology from Quran in a different way, but again you cannot interpret them in any other way because that would be disingenuous. We only see examples of extreme Islamic values in Islamic controlled countries and radicalised individuals. Finally, you say Islam reached you from young age to respect people from all beliefs and walks of life. Well I commend you for your progressive mind, but I have already showed a few quotes from the Quran that speak to the contrary. Most Muslims do not respect other beliefs but rather tolerate them, and tolerating and respecting others beliefs are 2 different things. Thank you for listening. Have a nice day.
I think that its pretty clear, some leftists in the Western world feel like they can't criticise minorities therefore they have the need to defend muslims since they are a minority here. If the same people tried defending different minorities in an ismalmic theocracy they wouldn't end well. I often hear people complain that atheists only criticise Christianity and that they are "afraid" to go afterIslam or other religions. When it comes to me personally, I mostly criticise Christianity because I know a lot about it, I know what it's like growing up in a Christian family, I've read the Bible etc etc. But I know barely anything about Islam, so I won't talk about it because I don't want to be factually wrong. It's simple as that. I am critical of all religions, I just can't speak in detail about most of them, even though I try my best to further my knowledge.
You can use those holy books to say almost anything. And books that open to interpretation isn't worth very much when trying to figure out objective truths
Okay, I'm an ex-Muslim, but I still want to have two doubts cleared. 1.Why do atheists claim that the Quran is not special? When the language in it is special and no one has been able to imitate it for centuries? 2.If we discovered that God exists, then what would be the point of living? I mean like, this is an assumption, but shouldn't the point be that we live for the afterlife and what our deeds will be? If we discovered that God exists, then what would be the purpose of life? Since all of humanity will worship and follow him there would be no point, the point is to see whether or not people will believe in God in the absence of evidence, but this is just a hypothesis.
@@jeannedarc7533 I'll have my shot at this. For your first question, I'll explain with the help of a metaphor: Let's say I have a jar full of pennies, with a couple of quarters mixed in. Just because the few quarters are mixed in, does that mean that the whole entire jar is suddenly filled with quarters? No. Just because one aspect of a certain religious text (be it the Bible, Quran, Torah, or anything else) has something special or contains good ideas, does not suddenly legitimize the book, the religion based around its ideas, or any of the other ideas it presents. As for the second one, we wouldn't. Simple as that. If we had concrete, hard evidence that the god of one of the world's religions existed, then there would be no real point to living except attaining the best afterlife that you can. Also, it would kind of disprove religions all together, if you think about it. Their whole goal is to believe, to hold out hope that your hero is real, cares about you, and determines your every action. God suddenly being 100% proven kind of defeats the point. But, isn't the idea of controlling your own path, your own destiny, enticing? The fact that there is no god may mean that there is no place where you keep on living after you die, but it also means that there is no supreme force judging your every action. It means that there is nothing that determines who you are and what your actions are except for you and the people around you. When there is no god, YOU are in control. You make your own choices, not based on what some distant figure would think is right, but based on what YOU think is right. You give to those in need, not because you think some overseeing god will give you brownie points in the afterlife, but because you see problems around you and you take your own step to alleviate that problem in whatever capacity you can. When you are kind to others, you don't do it with the incentive of riches after you die, you do it because you want to be an example of what you want to see in the world around you. That is what being free from a god means. It means that you have control of who you are, where you go, and what you do.
@@metroplexprime9901 As for the first response, this is ironically what I anticipated the response to be, and it's actually plausible, I concur with it, just because one facet of a religion is great, like it's language for instance, that doesn't mean that we shouldn't chastise other bad and fallacious axioms in a religion, I agree with you on the first response. As for the second one, "Also, it would kind of disprove religions all together, if you think about it. Their whole goal is to believe, to hold out hope that your hero is real, cares about you, and determines your every action." was the cardinal message that helped me understand why we shouldn't make ignorant assumptions about an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, and transcendent deity but instead follow objective truths and science, and you're right we make decisions and choices based on our own selves, and not some Greek god, or Mesopotamian religion, evolution has shaped our morality, not religion. Common sense, acumen, and logic are one of the main mechanisms by which society runs itself, it isn't derived from religion, I completely agree with you, in fact I'm now an ex-Muslim and I'm an atheist now, thank you very much for the response, I really needed it, it helped me understand better mate.
@@jeannedarc7533 No problem. It's always good to hear someone else affirm your actions and thoughts, to be assured that you aren't the odd one out. This mechanism can be used for harm and for good.
Did it ever come across to you that he might just be weird himself??😭 that’s got nothing to do with the video, you’re just proving the point of the Muslim liberals
@@heccingcommie4942 Liberals can be on both sides for one side isn't completely one thing or another so "Left is socialist" line isn't true for while the left embraces it more doesn't mean all of the left are socialists and it doesn't mean that all the left hates capitalism
@@sirsteam181 you are confusing liberalism with progressivism (which is the actual opposite of conservatism). The defining characteristic of left wing ideologies is opposition to capitalism. Except for social democracy which is center left and has a capitalist economic model with higher taxation and social benefits like free healthcare and education (primary examples are the nordic countries). The only way to even consider liberalism as left wing is to shift the overtone window so far to the right, that actual center-left policies sound radical and unthinkable.
I want to commend you, sir. I have fallen into yoir rabbit hole and appreciate your work. I am a practicing muslim, and while I tend to disagree with your views, I do appreciate your demeanor, and understand your rationale. I think you're quite well spoken. Salaam, friend. Please continue to create fair content, and I will pray for your success =)
as a woman from Iran, I hope more people see and understand this video! if we do not debunk this faulty ideology, we can never have peace in our region =)))))
Indeed. I would say that the goverments that don't represent real islam are Albania, Turkey and Bosnia and they are far better than real islamic ones (though Turkey leads towards Islamism more and more as the years pass but it's still better in comparison). Albania isn't even officially muslim, they never had religion as their basis for their identity, but their carelessness of religion plus their love for their national identity is what ironically made them have religious harmony, otherwise they would've slaughtered each other 😂
I agree with most of what you said, but I want to talk a little about the last point. It is true that we shouldn't just take muslim women's opinion when it comes to the oppression there is thanks to Islam, BUT I also think that keeping up with the direct criticisms aimed towards muslims, we won't accomplish anything, since they'll just see us as dumb biggoted westerners that should really just mind their own buisness. And honestly? I think that's fair; they've had their lifestyle for thousands of years and they won't change it just because *we* say it's wrong; they have to see for themselves that it's wrong and recognize this fact. It may be difficult, sure, but I think that's ultimately the only way muslims will change their worldview, especially when it comes to womens' rights. All we can do is show them how *we* live, and the rights women here have, and they will probably want it for themselves. My best friend is muslim, and from Saudi Arabia too (for those who don't know, Saudi Arabia basically bases all its laws in the islamic religion and it's one of the countries with less rights for women out there). Is she opressed? Totally. Does she know? Not at all. But you know what, she *will*, and I have absolutely no doubt about it. She likes cars and wants to learn how to drive. Someday she'll realize that's still not compleatly legal in her country. She likes women and has no interest in men. Right now she says that's fine, and she'll marry a man, but I have no doubt her opinion will change once her parents find her a fiance. She likes listening to music, she likes drawing lesbian couples, and other things that are forbidden in her religion, and someday she'll realize she can't be truly happy if she keeps mindlessy supporting every idea in her religion. And that's great! That's how change happens. That's how women from Saudi Arabia have been accquiring more and more rights; it has to be their decision and their fight. All we can do is support them.
This. You cannot abuse someone into realizing that they're being abused. Hopefully your friend will stay the course; rather than giving in if things get difficult.
I used to lived in Saudi Arabia and I totally agree with you. I also have a friend who’s still there and is oppressed by her family. In the pas she used to give excuses for that but now she’ seems depressed and is slowly realizing her sad reality.
I mean... No matter how much you wait for them to change .. If they live their lives based on the principles of a book , that change will never happen because you can't changes what's already written . You have to destroy it's credibility.
Changes in Saudi are not happening because women there are speaking up (they can't, they are not allowed to)... these changes are happening because the rest of the world is criticizing them and it is affecting their tourism. Money is also the factor behind saudi opening a Islam-law-free state for tourism
the only thing keeping saudi afloat is oil and mineral both of which is running out. as renewable energy is coming they know they cant keep hanging onto a sinking ship so they focus on tourism, which they know if they restrict half the population it will be difficult so hopefully there will be changes made and people will have more freedom. hopefully.........
Well I can't burn my fk hijab that way in Pakistan. The blasphemy laws are strict and I would let myself killed. Edit : Around 50% of iranians are athiest now
it's actually very simple: we know how it feels to be discriminated and we feel empathy towards muslims. it's not like we lived in a perfect world where reasonable people read and hear muslims talk about their experiences with the patriarchy in their culture/religion. as the youtuber himself has said many of the islamophobic comments come disguised as mere criticism against islam. yes, islam deserves some pretty structured ciritisms as many other belief systems because of the harm the extremist sides are doing to peoples' basic human rights, but yet, we see almost everywhere a dehumanization of muslim people. context matters, it always did.
Thank you so much, you are awesome! I'm also a liberal, but I just can't with the relentless defense of Islam. I'm actually even afraid to say anything, so I keep my mouth shut. I'm not an Islamophobe, that's absolutely ridiculous. That's like saying I'm a Christianophobe. My entire family and most of my friends are Christian! I grew up Christian! Am I bigotted towards them? Of course not! I also grew up in a street where my family was one of just three non-Muslim families. I loved that neighborhood so much, I had friends everywhere within that community. Today, I'm a volunteer for refugees, 90% of whom are Muslim and they're awesome and funny people. But there are certain doctrines within Islam which I just can't believe people would support. Not even my Muslim friends support those aspects of their religion! But dare say anything against those doctrines as a non-Muslim and you're called out. Criticize the exact same aspects and doctrines of Christianity ('cuz they're extremely similar), and every liberal agrees. It's a double-standard. I'm so glad whenever I see liberals/left-leaning people who share my unpopular opinion because most of the time, it's only ever *actual* bigots who speak out.
The far left defends Islam. Moderate leftists don't. Also, don't be afraid to say anything. Just call the people who disagree with you "liberal pussies." That's what I do.
The use of "phobe" in these contexts is a gross barbarism imo. Even those who are bigoted at muslims don't necessarily have an "irrational fear" for islam, much less those who simply criticise it. Whoever made up those words had no idea about latin, or english for that matter.
@@tasinal-hassan8268 Do you necessarily have an irrational fear of islam if you kill Sikh's thinking they are muslims? Those people are plain psychopathic on top of ignorant. The definition "phobe" simply doesn't apply, something way worse does. A "phobe" like someone with arachnaphobia or dread of heights irrationially panics once they see a spider or observe a high altitude and try to run in fear. Someone slaughtering people isn't running in fear.
As an Ex-Muslim myself, I always execused the immoral and unscientific things in my religion with people just being racist and not understanding my point of view, now after leaving that cult, I really appreciate the people who helped me open my eyes and I hope more people could too.
@Cullen Froese not really, if you look these things up ON ISLAMIC SITES you'll see they're all true but you'll also see Muslims trying to execuse these things not debunk them. If you would like to debunk any of the things I said, feel free to do so
@Cullen Froese first of all I won't reply to your low blows trying to bring me down to your level with insults Secondly, here's a hadith that supports killing gay people (of course I meant gay by LGBT but the word "liwat" basically meant same sex intercourse so I said lgbt), oh I forgot to mention that the hadith that says to throw them is a weak hadith, my fault, so here's the sahih hadith which basically tells them to be killed by stoning or beheading (both sides the doer and the one being done to) الحديث عن النبي ﷺ أنه قال: من وجدتموه يعمل عمل قوم لوط، فاقتلوا الفاعل والمفعول به Not to mention the whole sura "Lut" that told how god punished a whole village by flipping the village upside down for doing gay sex. Here are one of the most trusted sources of Islam (ibn al qaem) talking about how ibn-sina was an athiest ووصفه ابن القيم أيضا بقوله : "الملحد ، بل رأس ملاحدة الملة" كما في "الصواعق المرسلة" (3/1105) . You being underresearched doesn't make me a fool.
i must thank this channel so much ... for spreading the words of those who were cought and tortured voicelessly in my country for the very basic right of freedom
Liberals, understandably, don't feel the need to criticize islam because it's not the religion engendering social issues in America, where muslims are an oppressed minority, so they naturally and understandably resort to criticizing Christianity. Liberals, of whom I am one, and a middle eastern ex-christian myself, unfortunately don't understand that islam is an actual historical expansion of Christianity. Early Christianity had countless sects, including Nestorianism (an early Christian denomination that held that Jesus was a prophet, but not god). There was also the proto-Orthodox sect (on whose basis are most of today's prominent Christian doctrines predicate). It received political power and recognition because it could successfully reach the emperor, unlike both Nestorianism and the gnostic pro-feminine Gospel-of-Mary sects, which didn't receive political power and were kind of swept under the rug and deemed "heretical" by the sect that received power. And you know, the victors write history. The thing about Muhammad was that he met a Christian Nestorian monk named Bahira when Muhammad was 9-12 years old, and the monk told Muhammad and his uncle that Muhammad would become the great leader of the "new religion", you know, Islam, which, "coincidentally" holds exactly Nestorian beliefs. And so, Islam, at its core, is a Christian sect that was formerly rejected by those in power and that rejection seemed to backfire and spiral and mutate into the most violent Christian sect and religion (mixing with some pagan ideas, like the Kaaba stone) humanity has known. So yeah, that's what liberals just can't see. That it all has the same origin. And there it is, ladies and gentlemen, the tasty fruits of primitive tribalism and dualism.
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This video was made about 5 years ago and has nothing to do with the current Israel/Palestine conflict. Islam deserving criticism does not justify the deaths of thousands of Palestinian civilians. Hamas and their violence are horrible and should be stopped. This is no excuse to kill people who have committed no violence, as the Israeli military is doing now.
So what do we need to do?
You did the classic "but Hamas" - @GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic typical liberal coward. A "skeptic" of course you are. Unambiguously, indigenous Palestinians have been ethnically cleansed from their land for 76 years and Gaza's are now undergoing a genocide supported and financed by the west. October 7th was a mild taste of what Palestinians have endured for decades. Don't "both sides" it. Typical fucking western liberal. FREE PALESTINE
March against the genocide of indigenous Palestinians by an illegal settler colonial state. Boycott, march do everything you can@@nnov_tech_chan7891
@@nnov_tech_chan7891 Advocating for a ceasefire is a good idea
UA-cam seems to be doing a hard push recommending this video right now to your subscribers havent seen it.
You can't really say "yes", unless you are also free to say "no".
The complication when trying to analyze the state of freedom in situations like this is when you have a different moral framework from the other person.
Most would not consider it a lack of freedom to not be allowed to do things that are immoral. An extreme example would be a person from a culture that condones cannibalism would say that western society is not free since we are not allowed to choose whether we want to be a cannibal.
So then, this necessitates changing the discourse to validating which moral framework is correct.
To be clear though, I believe the moral framework, as well as the lack of freedom (as measured by the Judeo-Christian moral framework prevalent in the west), is wrong.
@@benjaminkesler5245 I say that's a very good point. I believe it is for this exact reason why the Bible says that God placed the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil "in the middle of the garden". It was NOT to tempt Adam and Eve but rather to allow them (and by extension, all humans) to exercise their freedom to say "Yes" to God's command of avoiding it.
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The forbidden tree has to be prominently placed and powerfully tempting for thêre to be any value in resisting it. You just prefer your apologistic, euphemistic phraseology. It's all folklore/pârable/myth anyway, so tell it objectively.
The story never made symbolic, or of course literal, sênse in that we were originally created in the image of god without the knowledge of goôd and evil. Why should that be withheld and how much could we be in his image not knowing the difference?
Was Satan or the other angels given the same prohibition? Apparently they knew good from evil somehow or those who rebelled would not have been held responsible and damned to hell. Are we to learn god unfairly punishes all humanity for the disobedience of the first two? Are we to believe we were punished because the first two were tempted by wanting to be more like god? Are we to believe we all inherited the knowledge of good and evil as well as the punishment for acquiring it? If so, why is our cultural environment more powerful than our inherited ability in this regard?
@@benjaminkesler5245 if something makes people unhappy or does more harm than good, then it is bad.
Restricting people's freedom to choose over their own lives won't make anyone happy, so it's bad.
Allowing cannibalism would only harm people, producing more unhappiness than good, so it is bad.
You don't need to make up some arbitrary moral rules.
@@jairomenares2089 Just to keep the logic straight, allowing cannibalism does not, "only harm people." I think you are conflating cannibalism with killing. Two different things. Eating someone who is already dead does not hurt that person.
A Muslim friend of mine was pregnant, and I asked her what she wanted. She said “not a girl - a girl’s life is too hard.” That told me all I needed to know.
Guess what? That applies to all the world's religions when you're talking about fundamentalism.
@dannysullivan I don’t know if any other religion- even in its most extreme form - that still stones women to death, performs FGM on them, forces marriage under age, believes that a woman’s testimony is equal to half that of a man’s and says that it is acceptable for a husband to beat his wife.
@@dannysullivan3951almost. Not most forms of paganism though.
non-muslim friends might feel that way too……..
@@dannysullivan3951there’s an insane gap between a woman subjugated in right wing American vs a woman subjugated in Iran.
Omg, THANK you!
I have an ex-Muslim friend whose father tried to _kill_ her because she didn't want to wear her hijab or marry the man he chose for her. She escaped and has been living in my country peacefully for 15 years. She _hates_ it when people say, "It's not because of Islam, your father was just insane."
Everything he did, he did _because_ of Islam. He was extremely pious and believed he was doing Allah's will. He prayed everyday and held deeply religious beliefs. Without Islam, he wouldn't have acted the way he did. We can't just pretend Islam isn't a negative influence to some people.
Although he did it because of Islam it still isn't Islams fault and atheist could act the same way with a different color paint, blame the father not the religion. I or any muslim I know would never even think about being like that
Did Mohamed do that? If you said yes tell me when no one should be treated like that
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An atheist would never do something like that _because_ of atheism. He did what he did directly because if Islam. He thought he was honoring Allah. Without his religion, he wouldn't have done that.
"Although he did it because of Islam, it still isn't Islam's fault."
That's a contradiction. You literally admitted it's Islam's fault, but you still want to claim it isn't.
@@kirikakirikakirika so if I do something bad because of this comment does that mean it's your fault? What he did literally goes against Islam. And also an atheist could do the same, the person is bad it doesn't matter what they believe in
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Again, an atheist would never kill anyone _in the name_ of atheism. There's no such thing. Atheism isn't a religion that asks anything of you. No atheist has ever killed anyone _in the name_ of atheism. Anything they do has _nothing to do_ with atheism. This is a non-argument.
If you do something bad because of something I say, that also wouldn't be my fault because I never told you to do anything bad. In fact, I'll go ahead and tell you _not_ to do anything bad. Islam, on the other hand, is a religion that tells people to do all sorts of awful things. It's full of passages that can easily/are easily interpreted to mean something bad.
Again, without Islam or his devotion to Allah, my friend's father never would've done what he did. In contrast, it was an atheist who helped her escape her country; who, by the way, would be executed if anyone in his country found out he's secretly an atheist.
I had a muslim colleague, who was devout, observed prayers and Ramadan, but who also insisted on fitting in with the country he was living in. He found a normal girlfriend (muslim but progressive and no head scarf), openly drank alcohol from time to time (many of them do, but in private), and was mostly interesting in doing well in his work, buying a house, starting a family, and enjoying the freedoms we have in this country. Guess what: he got into a ton of trouble, his "friends" deserted him, his nephews gave him shit and even tried to move in with him to keep an eye on him, he fell out with his parents; basically he was excommunicated. He persisted though, and thankfully made up with most of his family eventually.
Now: imagine a muslim girl pursuing the same dreams...
Back in Puerto Rico, I met a woman from Jordan. And she chose to no longer practice Islam and married a Puerto Rican. Most of her family excommunicated her with the exception of her siblings who lived in Puerto Rico and accepted her decisions.
He was westernized and is hardly part of Islam anymore. Islam is incompatible with western sensibilities.
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@@raventalk8889that's not excommunication, you can't be expelled from your religion by a lay person, only by a priest - usually someone high up in the priestly hierarchy (like an archbishop for example).
I love how Muslim women say they wear their coverings by choice. The problem is when they decide not to wear it.
I decided not to wear one, and I am a muslim women. There is no "problem".
kitten kitten oh wow then in this case all of Islam must have changed 🙄
kitten kitten they have. So what. Dodging the topic to talk about something irrelevant when you’re living in 650AD is kind of dishonest of you. Which is no shocker when coming from someone like u.
kitten kitten are you on medication or just that dumb. I’m referring to a disgusting religion and you’re bringing up my race. You’re clearly dodging and that’s expected from someone who replied to a comment about Islam with “well not me” as if that matters in the grand scheme. Educate yourself on what race means and you’ll see it’s not tied to religion.
kitten kitten yea women have their own opinion on how to dress because if they happen to have the wrong opinion Allah orders your head to come off. Someone in your family or a close friend of the family would probably not only agree but help in your decapitation. I know I know this isn’t true it’s all the media. Your brain is baked without a hijabi I can’t imagine what it’s like with one on.
Some people: criticizing the ideas of christianity and judaism is an important piece of rhetoric in the modern world.
Same people: criticizing the ideas of islam is hateful and racist and disgusting!
Soooooo now we're blindly defending a group based solely on their religion, but casting others aside? Isn't that the definition of bigotry?
Pretty bizarre demonization of the other side. If you asked a progressive what they think about the actual practices listed in the Quran, they’d say it’s abhorrent and reactionary. If you asked a progressive what they think about the practices listed in the Old Testament, (such as the slave beating or the genocides for instance), they’d say the same.
If you asked a progressive whether _either_ group should be repressed for their religious identity, they would say no. Problem is, a lot of Christians view criticism of Christianity, or pushback against Christian oppression, as oppression even though they’re by far the most politically dominant religious in the US. And a lot of right-wingers use “Muslim” as short-hand for Arabs.
Making it into an us-versus-them issue is missing the point. Religions are ALL garbage ideologies.
@@IAmNumber4000 I agree with you. If you watch Ben vs Sam out of context,and if you are an atheist(as most who watch Bill Maher are) you might take Sam's side. But if you remember that the video is pretty much at the exit of a decade long US post 9/11 "all Muslims are terrorists" rhetoric that was endorsed by one side,and pretended that is not there by the other,than you understand where Ben is coming from. And yes, Muslim was pretty much code for Arab. And even if it wasn't,bigotry is bigotry,so calling it racism,sexism ect. is just semantics.
@@IAmNumber4000
Religion: Love God
If you love God, you find him infallible. If you find him infallible, you find mistakes and mishaps to be happy accidents. If you believe that then you believe nothing can go wrong. If you believe nothing can go wrong you believe life is perfect. You delude yourself. If you can do this then the bible itself is a lie as well.
This is basic sophistry. I make up bullshit in order to make your bullshit more bullshit than my bullshit.
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Religion: Love God (non sophist)
You love God and believe in it, but you also believe life can be imperfect.
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Now that I took out the sophistry, you can clearly see the hypocrisy.
Therefore, the statement you made "Religions are all garbage ideologies" is proven fact.
Ex Muslim woman here, I am still living with my family and wearing hijab because none of them know yet.
I started wearing hijab when I was 13. It was a choice I made happily at the time, but I now regret it so much. Living like this is suffocating. It feels like I have no reason, no purpose, nothing but to obey god out of fear, to be someone's wife, and to one day... be someone's mother.
I am tired of constantly feeling guilty for thinking and acting like a human, for committing the most insignificant sin and being terrified of punishment, for daring to want more out of life.
Your fate touches my heart.
Do you know Infidel Noodle? She is an ex-Muslim, very smart and honest. She made some video giving advise about leaving Islam, how to take your life into your own hands, and stay safe in a situation like yours.
All the best for you!
I am a Muslim and while I am sad you no longer believe, I do understand and I wish you luck in life. I'm sad that your family would not understand because faith cannot be forced
WHY: The Islamic states need an enemy to justify their brutal treatment of their own people. This why they kill babies.
learn islam, read every verse about it including the hadith and also learn it history, you will realized this is not a good religion to follow. it is simply a propaganda of old age, Glad you quit, endure sister, when you get a job move out of that family and live a free life.
@@hassanrazakhan9645as a christian an idea of united religion (like the Islam claim that it is the truest religion) is a beautiful thing. However rather than being a religion that blanket all truth, Quran mostly is a nitpicked aspects of religions. Earliest knowledge of trinity was colluded with Jewish gnosticsm.
Simply said, saying I am getting this enlightenment from God and make a bible ain't that convincing.
I never understood why liberals call Christians hateful bigots while never calling out the blatant misogyny of Islam
Because christians are traditionally white whereas Muslims are not.
@@hsmd4533the billion++ of non white and non American Christians don’t exist to them lol
Not all of them do, and one should be careful to avoid thinking that all liberals are alike and instead judge them as individuals.
... and the hatred of the atheist ⚛️. Don't tell a woman what to do with her life. She's not stupid and you guys (both atheist and Christian) are anything but progressive. You're BOTH pathetic!
@@larsedik Maybe so. But you see liberal media calling out Islamaphobia yet never call out when people mock Christians since they think it’s justified like in the Dodgers game. So it seems like a double standard.
Sam Harris: Begins to make a reasonable assertion that criticizing Islam does not equal racism.
Ben Affleck: Immediately cuts him off starts calling him racist.
Face palm.
and Islam is the moterload of bad ideas
Yup, I had no idea the guy is such empty headed idiot.
Should someone tell these "totally not racist" people that white people can be muslims too?
Niko Virta They literally say that and then call it a race
Unfortunately, a lot of people seem to confuse religion with race. Affleck didn't seem to grasp that criticising Islam was not an attack on Muslim people. Just as a criticism of any country, religion, ideology, or system is not a personal attack on anyone who is part of any of it. I think the exchange between Harris and Affleck was more misunderstanding than anything, I'm sure if they weren't in such a confrontational setting, they'd probably agree on this issue with a reasoned discussion
As an ex Muslim I remember how I spent hours thinking how life could've been better if I was born as a none Muslim in a none Muslim country...I'd tell myself "God would've forgiven me for not being a Muslim, because I didn't know Islam was the rightful religion" and I always regret having been born as a Muslim...but then thanked god for being a Muslim bc I was told I had to...wow even telling the story makes me feel childish!
Don’t…You have my support and don’t worry.. everything will workout ❤❤
same here
It's funny because non-believers (the billions of em) are absolutely 100% going to hell according to Muhammad and the Quran.
Kinda messed up that the vast majority of the human population is all burning in eternal torment, no?
I am an ex Muslim my self. In the sense that i was born in islam but i never accepted it as my faith, it was forced on me...with violence.
But for helping you i would like to direct you into a concept you would love to hear : "The hero's journey."
Learn about that ;) it works for fantasy stories but expecially for the people! This is our "journey" this makes us stronger and better at questioning reality. People like us have the potential to destroy dogmas of out of their mind.
I literally felt that way about my Christian conservative lifestyle I grew up, I would think of all the time I wasted and missed opportunities all because I was mistaken in believing the things I wanted to do with my life were wrong or as I was told "disobedience".
Ex muslim here, & Im an artist since I can remember, but as a child (9-10 years old), my parents would physically abuse me & tear my art apart if they ever spot me drawing, their reasoning was "only Allah can create". I would make art at school & give it to my classmates cuz god forbid they find anything in my bag. It took them like a year to let me draw again just because I was extremely depressed & their behavior visibly affected me. Islam is the worst.
What disgusting parents
Yo what your parents did is the worst. Coming from someone with religious trauma and an artist, Islam is not the one to blame but the person. You cannot force someone to follow your belief in Islam.
Hope you get out of your parent's house as soon as possible.
@@loreyxilluminaHere's the thing about that: religion itself is usually up to interpretation, since the beliefs themselves are usually reiterated traditions, be it via a sacred text or otherwise oral retellings. The deity/deities which is/are worshipped is/are not around to tell what in life is right or wrong beyond simple aspects of life, since back when such traditions were created humanity was not well developed at all, especially not technologically or to an extent where the theistic ideals of said religions could be proven or disproven. This therefore forces believers themselves to proclaim and proclaim, and use confirmation bias to believe what they do. And in this case, it is up to the believers to proclaim their interpretations of what is the truth based on the tales they are shared.
@@loreyxilluminaNope Islam is to blame. The Quran forbids graven images just like the Torah.
Why? Humans have this thing called imagination for a reason.
As an ex-muslim woman, I 💯 agree with you.
Islam is totally agsinst women.....
Women should come out and criticise it...
Thank God you got away from that sexist religion. I hope you live a Wonderful Life
@@steph678 show me one sexist idea in Islam, Islam came and gave rights to women way before any of the westerners did.
@@thealfatihaguythis is the 21st century not the 7th. Feminist ideals have moved the goal post past 7th century Islamic views on women. I see you’re stuck there with Islam! No religion views women equal. Let alone a fascist religion like Islam. Nice try apologist.
@@thealfatihaguy 4:34
"Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allāh has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allāh would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them [lightly]. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allāh is ever Exalted and Grand."
As a Muslim who doesn't follow the religion just carries the tag of being a Muslim because in my country there is not an option of being an atheist legally, and doesn't have faith in any other religion as well. I totally agree with you.
Same. I'm an atheist from Turkey. Although according to statistics, %12 of our country is atheist, we do not have the option of being an atheist on a legal basis, so we have to be kept in this religion
Separation of church and state is a wonderful thing. May we see that in more of the world...
@@floatingpointz5903 as a christan I agree. We've seen the sins of the past and we do not wish to repeat those damnable crusades. At least the majority of us don't. If they are the religon of peace they say they are they to should give up their religous crusader warmongering state ways like we have. To many have died fighting for false prophets and the lies of old greedy men if we are to turly make this world and humanity in gods image I belive we should separate church and state it will bring us one step closer to peace beacuse as we've clearly seen from history people with power will corrupt us and our faith to do their even dedes like slaughter the entire population of the holy land. May their eternal souls rest I peace. Sorry if I sounded Abit preachy there just trying to make a point I guess.
@@Demicleas I think the problem is that people aren't critical of their own side enough-- people calling out the assholes in their own factions is what gives me faith in mankind. We can be different and yet work together-- if wolf and man learned to do it, if humans can find a common ground with wild orcas even though our species live in two entirely different worlds, then why would humans *not* be able to push out the warmongers and the abusers from their communities and stand side-by-side?
So, hi, there's other idealists like you, theists and agnostics and nontheists alike. Let's all fight to steer humanity away from tribalism and wars, without letting extremists sweet-talk their way into the movement by going "you're intolerant because you won't tolerate my intolerance"!
@@neoqwerty haha! "You're intolerant because you won't tolerate my intolerance!" Hands down, the best thing I'll hear all day. And what you said does make me feel a tiny bit hopeful.
Quoting a Quran to prove a claim about Allah ... is like quoting DC Comics to prove a claim about Superman.
It doesn't magically turn him into a real person.
But u can't denied what the Quran said because it's the truth...that's the different with dc comic..that's why people believe Quran..people don't dc comic..maybe u believe dc comic is true? 😁
keram k you know just because some stuff in the Quran happened doesn’t mean it’s correct it’s very easy to mix your fantasy with the events happening around you
you can say that about any religious book
liftingcarbsdaily do you think I’m talking about only Muslims the second part yes for reference you have Palestine and Pakistan for reference to this and seriously watch man had the Cold War they don’t exist but it doesn’t mean the Cold War didn’t exist and having the Cold War exist doesn’t mean the watchman exist
@@feritperliare2890 aiiyyoo.. al Quran talked a lot about tauhid.. do you know what tauhid? it's one god.. until now no one can challenge that because its the truth..if u think al Quran is man made..try to make it something better than that 🤣🤣 compare al Quran to dc comic.. r u series mannnnnnn..🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
As a woman raised as a conservative Christian, I can absolutely agree that oppressed women very seldom ever realize that they even ARE oppressed; I sure as hell didn't. If you had asked me at 18 if I felt oppressed by my religion, I'd have said, "Nope! I'm doing it all for God!" Fast forward a few years when I'd been married off for religious purposes and my husband was abusing me, even trying to kill me on multiple occasions, and I was begging my family for help, they told me that it was God's will and that I couldn't leave him because I was married to him. If he killed me, it would've been justified in their eyes. That's the point at which I began to realize that I *had* been oppressed all of those years but I didn't know it because I didn't know any other life than that. It wasn't until my life was on the line and I was being forsaken by my own family that I began to realize that I never had much of a choice until then. If I didn't choose what they told me God wanted for me and what my church preached, I would be shamed and convinced I would suffer for eternity for it. That isn't much of a choice, and especially for a young girl who had no power and no knowledge that life *could* be any other way, it was potentially a death sentence. I was extremely lucky to get out of that marriage when I did because he did almost kill me repeatedly. It wasn't until I was finally free of him and away from my family that I began to see things differently and realized that I had the power to choose my own life. I also began to realize that the oppressive way I was raised and made to believe the world was had seriously damaged my life. I looked at the women in my family and began to see the same things I was enduring: long-term domestic abuse, repression, oppression, fear, anxiety, etc. only they didn't talk about it. Every time it came up, it was, "God will make a way!" and, "God will heal him!" When I finally began to see things for what they were, I realized that I was in for a lifetime of misery just the same as my family (whether or not they are willing to admit it) and the biggest thing I had been convinced of, i.e. that choosing a pious life would give me a more fulfilling life free of suffering, was a lie, I knew I had to break free or it would kill me, just like my ex-husband. It's been years that I've been out of that world and though it's definitely put a strain on my relationship with my family, I've come to find that I have more hope than I ever did then. I have a good life where I'm free to make my own decisions, it's taken me years to learn how to date (I was married off so young that I never actually dated prior to getting married) and I now have a wonderful, loving boyfriend who puts *no* expectations on me, nor ever tries to control me, who comes from a wonderful, secular family who has shown me more compassion and has been more welcoming than my family ever was. My family still says they're "praying for me," and "hope that I see the light someday," and maybe their prayers have been answered because I *do* see the light, and it's very, very far from them. I know that for some people, it's easier to just be quiet and do as you're told, especially when you've never held any power in your entire life, but I was not one of those people, and I wasn't so lucky as to be given a gentle, peaceful existence. I was thrown to the dogs and was left to die by those who promised me that this way of life would bring me peace and fulfillment. I never knew peace, nor fulfillment, until I was finally free. I resent anybody who raises their daughters the same way. I never want anyone to live and suffer the way I did. I don't want another young girl to think that her life is over before it's even begun because of a God who supposedly "loves" them, yet justifies their demise at the hands of their abuser. I don't know if I believe in a God or not, but if there is one, then they're nothing like that.
Thank you for sharing your powerful and eloquent testimony. I am glad you found a way out of your oppressive circumstances, and were able to forge your own path free of the dictates of others still mired in ignorance. I hope other individuals oppressed by insidious ideologies will read your comment and find inspiration in it.
We Hindus believe that to create is to walk in the footsteps of the creator like a little child walking in the footsteps of its parent. That's why we Hindus love statues, arts, colours, spices, food, mathematics, technology etc
Reminds of the sentence "A bird who lived their entire life in a cage, thinks that flying is an illness."
I'm so glad you're out of that, thousands of women don't make it. Although luckily neither I nor my loved ones have suffered such degree of violence, it's a very sensitive topic for me. Here in Mexico, it's so common that the legal term "femicidio/feminicidio" (femicide) was introduced to classify those cases specifically.
I will never forget an audio of a woman who was teaching an English class through Zoom (that's how it got recorded) when suddenly her husband arrives, insults her and is about to hit her while she cries and asks if she can turn the session off first... Only remembering it makes me tear up.
Many women choose to stay in such horrible, life-threatening situations because the social and psychological pressure not to leave the marriage is incredibly strong. I'm happy to see newer generations are a lot more sensitive about the topic, but looking at people still being extremely sexist and even justifying violence makes my blood boil. They have no idea what that kind of terror feels like.
I wish you a lot of success, happiness and most importantly, safety! Stay strong ❤
That is certainly the reality for some women growing up in conservative religious contexts. My condoleances for it happening to you. I have to ask though, why is this relevant for the topic at hand? Does this kind of oppression that you aren't aware of imply that your freedom to choose should be taken away, and the choice be made for you by someone who knows better? Should someone in the situation you were in be forcibly removed from that situation, and who should be the judge of that?
These are not meaningless hypotheticals, there are real people out there who advocate restricting the freedom of Muslim women to e.g. choose what they wear, on the basis of some variant of "if they do it out of their own choice it's only because they're indoctrinated, and thus it doesn't count".
As a Jew, I don’t mind when people are intellectually criticizing Judaism as a religion including the Bible. I do have problem when people are generalizing the Jewish people as an ethnicity/nation.
The thing about Islam that it can never be criticize, and sorry, but a lot of suffer was done under its name.
Judaism is an interesting case for an Abrahamic religion, given its traditional emphasis LESS on "correct beliefs" and more on correct actions. By contrast, Christianity and Islam have been two of the most dogmatic religions in world history when it comes to emphasizing correct beliefs. So much so that most people in the world now seem to define religion primarily as a belief system. But any student of religious studies (which looks at all religions as a human phenomenon) can tell you, this is actually an incorrect, biased view.
What's most interesting about this, however, is that these two religions which emphasize dogma most strongly - are also the two most evangelical/proselytizing religions (they constantly want to convert people) and have the worst histories of religious violence. The only difference between them in the modern world is that Islam dominates in a part of the world that is a collapsed civilization. The Ottomans held it together unnaturally for a few extra centuries, but the Arab world has been a ruin of its former glory during the Middle Ages for a long time.
Every Arab monarch, Islamist extremist, Arab nationalist, Shia theocratic radical, Baathist .. All of them are trying to recreate some piece of what they see as the glory their people have lost. And that is a dangerous idea. THIS is why modern Islam has violent tendencies. Ironically, it has everything to do with history and almost nothing to do with the Quran itself.
Are they an ethnic nation?
Make the Caliphate Great Again!@@scottgleeson4905
I am Jewish as well and it has often been a struggle to explain how Judaism is a Religion and Jewish people are an ethnic group.
I finally boiled it down to a few things:
1. Judaism in a non prostelatizing faith, so the only new Jews are people who intentionally sought out to be converted. I may be wrong but I think forced conversions ended in the days of Jacob. This resulted in highly insular communities over generations.
2. Over time as the Diaspora spread and people converted to the new faith of the new arrivals the same patterns began of insular communities forming around the faith.
3. So now we have certain Ethnic groups that have practiced Judaism in their part of the world for centuries and became known in those areas as "the Jews".
SO are Jews a monolithic people, not really, but the ethnic communities around the world rooted in Judaism are Jews.
only in Israel@@JohnRowsell
ex muslim here
I'm from Iran and I'm a man myself but I would say over 85 % of the women I have ever met in my life would rather not have hijab so yeah
sometimes I see people who look and sound like Caucasian and I say with myself : it's a lot different when you are born into it
I feel like that's an issue that's often overlooked. The people who say that it's a personal choice are often based in non religious democracies. It's easy for them to say. It's no so easy for muslim women in other parts of the world
My friend...l would like to here more from you...but your post was incoherent.
First you were Shia not Muslim
Second 85% of woman you've met okay 95% I've met said they'll like to wear hijab and 87% said niqab.
Let's be academic here and not lie to the public thanks 👍
@@kakeshi3990 there is two types of muslims , Shia and sonny , what are you on about ?
Your brave
Asking Muslim women what they think of Islam is like asking a 1984 character what they think of the Big Brother.
@Christopher Mayer It's the same concept. Another example would be to interview the Chinese about how they feel about the AI facial recognition systems and the social point system. Of course they're all gonna say it's great, because if they don't they'll lose social points and lose the ability to travel, to make loans at banks or to apply for certain jobs. Likewise a muslim woman criticising islam would mean she wouldn't go to her skywizard's paradise in heaven anymore, and get shunned by her community.
@Christopher Mayer I never said that. I'm simply pointing out that many Muslim women don't have any other choice but to say they think Islam is great, regardless of whether or not it's true. Furthermore, a lot of Muslims genuinely feel like they love their religion not because the religion itself is great, but because of psychological factors that also cause people to genuinely love other harmful religions, cults, and extreme political ideologies.
Yet another reason why Islam is great. Its authoritarianism retains the consistency of its moral values. It's so much so rebellion is almost impossible.
@@jendoubinour6902 It's not the same with all religions and if you think a piece of clothing on the head is the extent to which women are oppressed in Islam, you are severely mistaken. If you're a man in a predominantly Catholic country, nobody will beat the shit out of you or throw acid in your face if you choose to not become a priest. The restrictions are shitty, but some people voluntarily choose to have those restrictions and others don't have to. If you're a woman in a predominantly Muslim country, you don't have the choice to opt out of your oppression.
Even if all the other religions were as bad as Islam, that would be irrelevant to the conversation. This is a comment thread about Islam on a video about Islam. Islam's treatment of women is unacceptable, and whatever oppressive beliefs other religions have won't suddenly make Islam's treatment of women acceptable.
@@jendoubinour6902 I'm not talking about marriage at a young age or polyamorous marriage. I'm talking about stuff like female political activists literally facing executions in Islamic countries.
I reiterate that Christianity is irrelevant to this conversation. I agree that Christianity is evil, but that's irrelevant. This video and this comment thread are about how Islam is evil, and the problem is that you're defending it.
From a liberal atheist: thank you.
@Eminem they probably mean politically
@Eminem What else does liberal mean?
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Kindly watch on youtube jake the muslim metaphysician, sc dawah ,ef dawah channel videos regarding comparative discussion between islam and atheism
Liberal here means political liberalism
I feel like after the Islamophobia that followed 9/11 liberals and people on the left have over corrected as to distance themselves from bigotry; however, in doing so, have failed to see the hypocrisy of criticizing Christianity while refusing to criticize Islam. I agree that criticizing a religion is not the same as being hateful towards people who practice that religion.
Yep, this is a great problem in liberalism and in the left. Our camp is abandoning secularism, when secularism is a fundamental pilar of liberal or socialist worldview. This error is costing us a lot of support.
I personally think that liberalism is becoming other thing, a post-liberalism, Tipos de tradução because liberal universalist ideals are being lost and giving way to a patchwork of values based on competing identities. In a way, it is a consequence of neoliberalism, transforming identity into a commodity or a VIP area, where people consume it to be part of a group and the values of the particular group are more important than any universalist ideal. This has to do with post-modernity itself, obviously. However, on the other hand, this has also led to the collapse of left-wing politics, because people can no longer show solidarity to build coalitions beyond their own identities. I still think that this kind of more universalist coalition politics still occurs in the United States, but in my country, the division has become very deep, people don't really care about other people's causes anymore, only their own causes. But the Islamic question is central to this new post-liberal and post-socialist (or post-progressive, to summarize) subjectivity: Islam represents a challenge to modernity - which became a problem for romantic progressivism - and also became a continuity of the anti-colonial struggle. The old progressive ideals of secularism, tolerance, democracy, freedom, equality, female emancipation, etc., cease to be ideals for everyone, and become "another facet of colonialism", and for "post-progressivism", the last act of iconoclasm against our social order, is no longer attacking Christianity and conservative values, but attacking modernity itself, completely giving up its unfinished project to embrace a form of "political spirituality" (to use the term that Foucault used to praise the Iranian Islamic revolution). In this way, post-progressism sees the reaffirmation of any reactionary value as valid, as long as it is not universal. As in post-modernity, human beings desperately escape the becoming of reality (due to the condition of constant disruption of neoliberal capitalism), and become alienated in identity (maintaining identity is a form of idealistic denial of becoming - in Greek philosophy, the ontology of identity appears in Parmenides as a denial of Heraclitus' physicalist ontology based on becoming). In this way, Western radicalism, in this period, stops attacking Western traditions to attack current Western identity, but still within an identity paradigm. In this way, the deconstruction of the modern secular identity of the West becomes more important, even if this preserves all conservatism and identity-based Platonic metaphysics - which is obviously also the basis of Islam, because Islam, like Christianity, arose amid The great influence of Neoplatonic idealism, entirely based on Parmenides' metaphysics of identity. To break with this, progressivism must completely break with the ontology of identity, preserving not only materialism, but resorting to other philosophical systems that have ontologies based on becoming (such as those in East Asia), to re-embrace modernity, but without a sense of "Western identity" that the first notion of modernity still possesses (an idea that to modernize is in a way to "Westernize"). In a way, post-progressivism wants to combat Western identity, combating modernity with "political spirituality", promoting a synthesis between "West and East (in this case the Islamic world)". But this synthesis completely preserves the ontology of identity, for in reality, the Islamic world is, in some ways, like the pre-modern Western world, so that the post-progressive romantic fantasy is in fact the old reactionary desire for a return. of the traditional pre-capitalist past. The true synthesis is not with Islam, as this, despite being an "other", is not substantially different, it is in fact the similar one onto which we project our repressed characteristics. The synthesis with Islam is just a continuation of the Western tradition, which would become not only Judeo-Christian and Neoplatonic, but Judeo-Christo-Islamic and Neoplatonic. The true synthesis would occur with the complete abandonment of Neoplatonism to fully embrace the metaphysics of becoming based on the philosophies and worldviews of people truly different from the Western identity. This would not be a project against modernity, it would be taking modernity to its ultimate consequences.
Obviously orientalism is a central theme in this discussion, but obviously post-progressives are extremely orientalist, as they also see Islam as the "big other" so that it becomes the "antidote" to Western modernity. I do see that the West may radically abandon modernity in the near future, but I consider that it will survive in East Asia. So, we will have a "paradox": a traditionalist west and a modern east asia.
I believe, that unless the current reactionary and post-progressive wave is reversed in the West, that this is quite possible by the end of the century, as the current situation is leading us into a dark age. On the other hand, no matter how complex the geopolitical situation in East Asia is, there are no deeper conflicts of identity or ideology than Asian politics in general. Drastic events, such as a war or revolutions, could actually accelerate the integration of Asia, which would be in the interests of capital. Today it may seem impossible for there to be substantial changes in the Chinese regime, the Korean peninsula and Japan's status as a Western ally. However, this could change in 75 years. I truly believe that without the Neoplatonic and Abrahamic religious traditions, East Asia can advance much further as a civilization than the West, which is totally exhausted, where the appeals of modernity have faded, the vast majority want to return to a mystical past, based on religion and ethnic divisions, although on the surface it may still appear different - we know from the statistics on irreligion that the majority in this group are not truly atheists or agnostics, this group may actually tend to convert to Islam if the Islamic issue becomes the great political issue of the century for the West. This is a risk because of identity-based metaphysics: post-progressive subjectivity identifies everything that is "Western" in appearance as "bad" and therefore identifies with that which is its antithesis in appearance, that is, "political spirituality." , the Islamic world, even though in essence, both things have the same origin and in practice, they are the same thing.
I can only speak for myself but no Muslim has ever been an ass to me personally, but I've encountered Christians who on discovering I'm not one of them have gone on to treat me like trash.
@@damianjblack I can only speak for myself, but no Nazi has ever been an ass to me.
@@MrCmon113 have you met any Nazis?
@@damianjblack may be you are🫢
Every time I hear a Muslim saying "Taliban is no true Islam, Al-Qaeda is no true Islam, etc" I'm like "Then what is true Islam because that's exactly what Taliban/Al-Qaeda members would say about your Islam"
you would have a valid point, if any of those groups had even 1% of the total muslim population, fringe groups don’t define billions of people
the groups you speak of are first and foremost militant groups, to exercise power and wreak havoc, not to revolutionise Islam
Nah, There is no true islam, one can interpret Quran differently then others but that's why there are scholars. We follow what majority of the scholars says and our own interpretation. Everyone has a chance to get into heaven in our religion if they do good deed.
Also things people get wrong:
1. You cannot force someone to convert.
2. You can't meddle in someone's religion
3. If you are a parent, you should introduce the religion to your child, minimum age of 10 years old.
3.5. Parents cannot force their child to follow their beliefs.
4. Everyone will go to hell for their wrong doings but will get into heaven once they finish serving their debt.
4.5. There are things you can do to prevent or limit your time spent in hell.
Hi. I am curious philosopher and I came to the exact same thought about hell as you have written here. Is it part of you own personal belief or it is from some religion or philosophy you know? I really want to know where this thought originates.
@@ciernyonyx9349 Hello curious fellow ＼(^o^)／. The holy book of Islam, the Quran have rules written on it for mankind to not do bad things to each other and nature. To answer your question it is both, before I became Muslim, it was similar to my personal belief then I read Quran's translated version and hadeeth (word's of the last Prophet) and became Muslim due to similarities and clearance of my questions about the after life. Like my previous comment was about Islamic after life so the answer to your question will really be: it is from the religion Islam.
Also if you read this far curious soul, here's a fun fact: Allah (Islam's God) really likes people who pursue knowledge.
Read about other religions too if you got time, they are fascinating.
@@loreyxillumina I tried to search this topic online but I haven't found anything at all. Just classical perception of hell as a place for sinners. Could you possibly sent some link or name that will help me gain closer look?
As an ex-Muslim, I am glad my atheist friends criticized Islam in front of me with well reason arguments. Furthermore even when I was still a Muslim I never saw intellectual discourse on religious matters as bigotry.
Then you are not a Muslim to start with. I have seen muslims who defend anything that their religion profess just because it is their duty to defend. Here in my country dozens of people are killed for supporting criticism of Islam.
Women: **start* *getting* *rights**
Religious people: **visible* *frustration**
This!
Islam was the first ever religion to give women rights
Yassin Shenawy
Yeah, Islam gives women "their rights". These rights are nothing close to equality with men.
@@yassinshenawy6974 compared to what it was like for women before, what Islam gave was better. But compared to how things have progressed over the years afterwards, now they're lacking in Islam. It was a progressive step, yes, but it wasn't enough.
Megane Sergerie and how? Please elaborate
A book that has the answer to everything, can't take criticism or inquiry.
At least the Bible has people paid to find scientific prof of its self
@@randomuser5443 The bible also has the "advantage" of being a translation of a translation of a somewhat selective collection of stories from different authors, many of which weren't even contemporaries of the people they wrote about. So whilst there are bible literalists and whilst they are stupid, other christians can always fall back on the fact that the bible isn't actually the word of god.
The Quran on the other hand was allegedly dictated to Mohammed straight from the heavens, with some muslim movements going so far as to invalidate any version of it that isn't in the original arabic language. This means whatever is written in that book can't possibly misrepresent the religion itself.
@@darthplagueis13 This is so true, a lot of Christians hold their hands up and say "It was written by man, and even under the guidance of God, man are inherently flawed. Therefore the Bible is going to have some problems." This is of course ridiculous however, because then it's up to the reader to choose what is in fact true and what is in fact a metaphor or a mistake. Typically this argument is by more liberal Christians though, ones who ultimately believe in and live by secular ideals but uphold the idea that God willed it into being. Praying usually equates to making things continue to be fairly good, and help me stop masturbating or something. And these people are fairly harmless so arguing with them is probably what makes some turn more extreme rather than less, because their approach is not to rock the boat by being fairly liberal in the first place.
What is scary is when you meet someone who still upholds that the bible is true even when basic concepts don't add up. And the Quran seems to be an example of preeeettttyy strong views that don't feel good in Western Modern thinking.
Also, the Christians have the advantage of Jesus, someone who basically rewrites the rule book halfway through. Therefore the old testament is taken with a pinch of salt. Perfect for those who can be Catholic and somehow have gay best friends.
It has the answer to everything EXCEPT landing a man on a moon and make a GOOD COOL economic progress.cutting hand for convicted theft is very MODERATE
@John Doe John may i ask has your read any Islamic scriptures and understood wat you was reading ! Peace
I'm an ex Muslim woman. :)
Like the hijab, I could go outside without it but I would be shamed by everyone. So it's more like a "choice".
Also I found out I truly cannot pretend I'm not a lesbian.
You go Queen! I support you
@Peanut In A Nutshell ???
You are shame for your family.
@@broederharry2534 lmao wtf im a muslim and im fine with this
@@broederharry2534 My family was proud of me.
I left Islam when I read the Qur’an and the. biography of Muhammad, the Prophet of Islam
Now I live in Iraq and I can't talk about it even with my family I might be killed, and society will reject me, it's very difficult for me
and many Arabs leave Islam every day, but they cannot announce that because they may be killed and of course society rejects them.
Respect from India. I hope you are staying safe.❤️👍
Lmao , nice try
@@mohammadfaizan2814 says moon dog follower 😆 and kissess stone which is able to forgive sin🤣
Come to Bosnia.
Allah swt replaced you with someone who embraced Islam, kthxbye.
When I was at work around the time the Taliban took over Afghanistan I asked my Muslim boss, who is otherwise a really nice guy, had to say about the issue. He turned to me and said "well... anything done in the name of Alah cannot be a bad thing". And that's when it hit me that people who are otherwise kind hearted can be influenced to agree with bad things due to religion. I always knew that to be true but at that moment is when it hit me like a rock.
This is a hallmark of Islam. Even the “peaceful” Muslims support terrorism and jihad.
Once the Muslims are a majority, it becomes, "it would be better for you if you became a Muslim."
that is the craziest shit i've ever heard. Its like a basic rule of all religions of the BOOK that those who act in God's name falsely are committing a Sin. Just because someone shouts ALLAH when they do something doesn't mean Allah (praise be) would agree with their act.
Its not a rubber stamp of approval for your behavior that you just say "It was for God".
👁️👄👁️ am shocked is ur boss a 3 years old kid or something
nice theism enables not so nice theism.
I actually did a research paper on forced conversion and one of the FIRST pages was about the fact that nobody wants to see the horrific things happening under (usually) islam because any criticism is seen as islamaphobia so it makes those who suffer, suffer more
Please do more research about the rules in war in islam
@@flawedzak kill the males, rape the females - that is their rule of war as practiced by the very prophet upon the banu qurayza jewish tribe.
Omg the same thing can be said for criticizing gender identity especially as it relates to children. Transphobia gets thrown around so much that quite frankly it's lost any real meaning.
Yes speaking with Ex Muslim women regarding how they were victims of Islam is an excellent idea and ill compare it to speaking with detransitioners. Speaking with people who were once in the Trans cult can more accurately portray how deceptive and manipulative it can be.
Have you ever seen what Christian fundamentalists do?
What's the difference between a religion and a cult?
We don't protect cults from accusations of being harmful until they're popular.
Cults have fewer supporters;)
Liberalism is the greatest enemy of Islam.
The Catholic Church uses the wiry cult to describe itself. This word has taken on a negative connotation in recent generations, but originally, it simply meant “creed.”
@@user-wi3yx3gy2o cults just a small religion
@@cloudsstar Islam started as a desert cult that allowed Muhammad to have numerous wives of any ages and even allow himself access to wives of family members if he so desired and that's to say nothing of him having intercourse with a nine year old. None of these are actions you'd think are befitting of God's example of a perfect man. But, it's exactly what you'd expect from a middle aged pervert whom created a cult and professed to be an infallible man ordained by God in order to get his end away with anyone. Cult leaders do this today!
Liberals defending Islam is pure cognitive dissonance.
Tell them to get a haircut and get a real hijab!
“Pure” Cognitive Dissonance requires two precepts, or a precept and a condition, or some other pairing of statements. One thing (‘liberals defending Islam’) is just that: one statement, on its own.
I think you’ve probably just been watching too much Joe Rogan (or someone like that?) and have a vague sense of how they use the phrase ‘cognitive dissonance’ epithetically - but you sound like a ding-dong when you just flippantly throw it around like this.
I could tell you how to use/rephrase this concept so that it makes sense and you sound like you know what you’re talking about, if you want?
But I’ll wait and give ya a chance to get mad and call me a ‘gay homo🤓
If I hear the words “cognitive dissonance” one more time I’m going to die! I don’t think people understand what “dissonance” even is! Dissonance can be described by musical dissonance, you have to know and recognize contradictions is order to be considered “dossonance”. If you think about a B## and D might not seem dissonant in your head, but it is dissonant is practice, this it’s not “cognitive dissonance” if you don’t realize that it’s contradictory.
Not liberals
Leftists
John The Rhodesian They’re the same damn thing don’t give me any of this PragerU bullshit
As a ex-muslim woman liberal white women hating on Christianity and defending Islam will always give me great entertainment
Bcoz you know islam and they don't.....
I feel sorry for them....
Me and a friend were discussing this topic over text a week or two ago. I was expressing my newfound discomfort with *any* religion (not just Mormonism and Christianity) upon finally declaring that I was agnostic. A few Muslim you tube channels I had been following to learn more (as we should) started making me upset, as I realized my disdain for organized religion extended past the one I grew up in. I didn’t want to be islamophobic, and I finally just asked her (among other things about her perspective on religion) “How do we separate atheism/agnosticism from religious bigotry?”
She replied by pointing out the difference between religion and religious people. I can feel negative emotions towards religions, that is within my right. But the moment I start defining people solely based on my perception of their religion, I am participating in religious discrimination.
Very well put 🙌
This is perfect
Nicely said. I'm glad there is one person here that thinks clearly.
But now the problem lies where one defines themselves completely from religion alone...it is because of this totalitarian thinking, these people will consider any critique of their religion as a critique on themselves as well. Hence, the pockets of bigotry that hide amongst organised religion...”the right to practice religion” is now equivalent to “the right to discriminate”.
@@nathanieljefferies5491 Right, so yet again we have another reason why religion is a bad thing.
As a liberal, I wish there more videos like this
@@unknownunwanted1445 lmaooo conservatives are so damn pathetic. Anyone that doesn't agree with you people are NPC's the irony is definitely lost with your kind.
@@zenryucds747
Yes, I agree that conservatives are just as rotten as liberals.
.......I bet you didn't see that coming...
@@zenryucds747
Both sides try so hard to be better than the other, ...both sides end up being just like the other.
It's like christians thinking their arabic diety is better than the other arabic diety from islam, who's also better, but not as good as the jewish-arabic diety...
While they all fight it out to prove who's better, ..at the end of the day, they're all the same pile of steaming shit.
That's your Left-Right politics.
Fucking clown.
@@unknownunwanted1445 nah I did tbh, and you middlemen make absolutely nothing happen. You don't change anything. All you people do is sit there and judge both sides without making any impact. I hate conservatives but shit atleast they stand for something. Atleast they can make a decision instead of being a pathetic middleman without any real opinions.
The middle hates the people of both sides. Just look at how you conduct yourselves!
You're our toys. We mess with your sides all the time, and when you decide to come at us, we trigger your opponent into a rage and then you have to focus on that, ...not us - The Controllers of the Game.
"We middle people don't make stuff happen, or stand for anything," he says...
Bitch, please.
We stand for controlling the masses... Having power over you. The ability to "trigger you" into doing something for our personal gains... There is a Utopia - But "your kind" will never see it... The middle won't allow "your kind."
Masochistic misanthropes only, kiddo.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, as an ex-muslim this means a lot especially when genuine criticism is made against it is labeled as “islamophobia” the term itself is wrong, its racism ,islamophobia has always been used to silent the experiences of ex-muslims, and criticism and the bigotry and hate it’s perpetuates against others
where are you from? I've heard Afreen as name not aafeen. shaikh? india?
Same with all the modern day “-phobias.” The term is meant to silence dissent.
@@mtc-j9i not really it’s most of times is used correctly, not to silent people, but it’s a different case for islam as i explained the term itself is wrong.
I find it odd that criticism of Islam is said by many to be "racist" since Muslims are composed of multiple "races". I agree - Islamophobia is frequently used (NPR comes to mind) as a way to end the conversation.
That is such a good point that it erases the experiences of ex Muslims and forces them to be quiet. That is such an excellent point I really appreciate you sharing it.
There is also the fact that 'honor killings' are a very real thing in Muslim society, especially but not only in Islamic countries. They happen all over the world including here in the United States, and they are a huge problem in Islamic countries. For a Muslim woman speaking out against how women are treated under Islam, or saying that she doesn't want to wear the hijab, or even reporting that she was raped (when there aren't at least four male witnesses to back her up) can be a death sentence. That kind of thing tends to influence one's speech.
Honor killings are caused by cultural causes, not religious. And correlation doesn't mean causation, crime rate is higher in general when the country is poorer. If you were so against the killings of innocent people you wouldn't stand with Israel
@@asmo_1929 -- In strict Muslim countries culture and religion are tightly intertwined, so much so that it's impossible to separate them. It's not a coincidence that honor killings are only a problem in Muslim countries and among Muslims living in Western countries. Nobody else is doing it. As for Israel, they're literally doing more to prevent the killing of innocents than any country in the history of warfare has ever done, but it's damn hard to prevent when Hamas is using their own civilians as human shields and intentionally getting them killed because it makes for great propaganda. Their blood is on Hamas, not Israel.
@@futuresonex Honor killings are a problem in the Philipines and India as well and they are not muslim. And in the US these things happen in small rural towns, where the majority are conservative christians. Why do people just go on the internet and lie? No one is immune to propaganda. Even in your world view, I wouldn't want to get shot by the police if a criminal was holding me as a human shield. You do you, keep justifying crimes against humanity
@@asmo_1929-- Actually, much of India and the Philipines are in fact Muslim, and that's where the honor killings take place. There have also been a handful that have occurred here in the United States, once again, all Muslims. You may not like it, but honor killing is almost entirely a product of Islamic societies. It is what it is.
As for Israel, Hamas started a war knowing full well what would come next and they not only showed no concern whatsoever for the people of Gaza, but they are using them as human shields and intentionally getting them killed. Not long ago a group of Hamas terrorists opened fire on a group of Gazans that was trying to evacuate to one of the safe zones designated by Israel for the people to go to where they would be safe. Hamas wouldn't let their human shields leave. Israel is doing everything they can to avoid killing civilians, but it's war. Israel will destroy Hamas. They have to unless they want another 10/7 attack. Hamas has clearly states their intention to make attacks like 10/7 over and over again. If they continue to use human shields, and they will, there will be more civilian casualties. That's war. The Nazis got a hell of a lot of German civilians killed during WW2. That's just how it works. The Nazis at least had the integrity not to use German civilians as human shields, but Hamas is worse than the Nazis ever were. They must be destroyed, and they will be. Sadly, they will see to it that a hell of a lot of innocents die with them.
@@futuresonex you may not like it but annecdotal evidence is not evidence. Saying that these killings in America are a product of Islam is completely invented, when I countered that with the fact that it happens in rural areas, and Muslims are concentrated in urban areas. Just read a little, you are literally assuming. You don't even have to read that much, just do a google search. As I said it's cultural. Correlation doesn't mean causation, and there are a lot of other causes in these countries (homophobia, sexism, economy). I never heard this to be a problem in Albania, which has a much higher muslim percentage than the US (or philipines or India).
Your double standards are very much on display. At least 10 times more palestinian casualties than israelis. That's not self defence. It's like if someone was stealing from my yard so I shoot them dead. Shouldn't you hold Israel's government to a higher standard than Hamas? If we are talking about the government of a country compared to a terrorist organization. You made up your mind before you looked at any information, otherwise you would't be riding Netanyahu so hard. Blockading food, water and electricity doesn't do anything other than killing innocent people. Collective punishment is a war crime
Ben Affleck sounds like a newly converted individual, like he just found Islam the week before and saw it as the perfect infallible system...
It's always fun to see how wanna be 'liberal' is defending a fascist ideology which is disguised as a religion.
@@ArthurIdrisov Just don't call it fascism. Fascism isn't just anything that is bad, fascism is an actual ideology with specific ideas, not a boogeyman you can call everything you disagree with.
@ezeeckiel communist regimes are like that as well. Fascism is not everything you dont like. If you use a word for anything, then it lost all meaning.
@ezeeckiel yes fascism. Islam doesnt fit the definition. You talked about censorship and I gave you the example of another ideology that does the same.
no, he is just a moronic actor, an empty-headed overly paid pretty boy, I wish Matt would make an honest woman of him
I left Islam BECAUSE I’M A WOMAN.
Leaving Islam was the best decision of my life. SO PROUD. SO HAPPY. SO FREE.
#AWESOMEWITHOUTALLAH
A very happy apostate.
Hey good one, maybe some people of your famly don't liked it, but it was your decision. You are someone that think for yourself, whrn people stop loving the comunity but yourself i think we gonna evolve a little.
😂😂😂😂yeh you’re right. And well...I don’t really want to be a part of a community that doesn’t/won’t accept me for who I am. No regrets ditching those kind of ppl. I want to do what I want to do. And being part of a community/group doesn’t exactly allow for that. So it’s in my best interest to forget about ppl and ditch ideologies( in this case Islam) that prevents me from being the individual that I am.
@Renad welcome to the club sis!! ❤️👍 how’s life after Islam?! 😊
@@khudmukhtarakhaza9879 hey doing well
As a liberal ex Muslim, thank you or understanding the pain inside me
Ex-muslims are literally the most oppressed religious group in a world.
No other group of people faces constant threat and fears for own life.
Thank you Sincerely.@@damienasmodeus928
@@damienasmodeus928 Well, talk to Christian minority groups like the Armenians or the Copts in Egypt and see what fear is about.
@@damienasmodeus928 and no other group gets spit in the face by self-righteous cretins that treat Islam as if it were immune to criticism.
But has your pain been relieved yet? One does not need to live under islam to understand that it is a wicked and tyrannical system. But neither will any political ideology deliver humanity from the cycle of strife in which we are trapped, or deliver us from death.
I have lived six decades in a liberal society, and appreciate its benefits. But
there is no sorrow or evil which has been eliminated because of the way we do politics, which is often ugly and competitive, and definitely archaic. The fact that we enjoy peace to a greater degree than most countries has a lot to do with our geographic location, remote from major sources of geopolitical conflict.
According to the Bible, natural-born human beings are afflicted with a fatal condition from birth, from conception in fact.
(Romans 3:23) 'For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.'
(Psalm 51:5) 'Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin my mother conceived me.'
(1st John 1:8) 'If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.'
(Romans 6:23) 'For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Jesus Christ our Lord.'
(1st Timothy 2:5) 'For there is one God, and one mediator also between God,
and men, the man Christ Jesus.'
(Romans 5:8) 'For God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.'
(Romans 10:9) '...if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.'
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Iusually recommend reading the Gospel of mark, which gives a concise play-by-play account of jesus' life, death, and Resurrection.
Of course everything I am trying to show you is completely contrary to both islam and secular humanism. But God wants you to know Him, and to relieve your pain.
All the best.
Ex-Muslim here, Defending Islam is like defending the judge who sentenced you and your friends to death, even though you are all innocent!
but, like, don't you recognize that there are different branches of islam and that the most extremist and discriminatory branch should not be the only one considered?
As an arabic ex muslim. I mainly criticize islam cuz i merely come from a muslim background and its the religion ive studied the most.
I am also an ex Muslim, now atheist. It's really sobering to hear that religion as a whole is on a decline.
this is based as fuck and actually makes sense. youre criticizing the religion you were once indoctrinated with. i dont know enough about islam to make good enough criticisms of it besides general broad terms. but I CAN criticize the heck out of christianity because i spent the first 11 years of my life in it.
@@eila2635 You could use the same arguments.
ight if you truly studied islam how many ruku are there in fiqh
@@firekingM101 ight which sect where you in, chipatian or karaki?
'Modern' Mvslim women: ''I reject the concept of individual sovereignty and act strictly out of faithful obedience to 4llah! So respect my individual sovereignty!'
Wait... wut?
"I am a free woman, and I have the right to think for myself to choose to do as I am told by this man."
She's religious, of course she cherry pick
Everything is relative. Many Muslims don't believe in wearing the hijab and have their own perspectives on Islam. I mean never in the Quran does it explicitly say you must wear so and so. But I understand why people think this way
I used to work as a pilot in the UAE, and our company had a few contracts in Saudi as well. So on occasion we would ferry aircraft back and forth. On one such trip my buddy was told on short notice. He’d just arrived from leave and brought a whole bunch of pork jerky from home, assuming he’d be in the UAE for the duration of his rotation. Pork is not banned in the UAE. He’s then told nope, you’re going to Saudi for a few months. Damn it!
So he rolls the dice and decides to bring his pork jerky with us. When the aircraft is searched upon entry, the pork jerky is dismissed as beef jerky. No worries, life is good. A few days after we arrive were informed that we need to bring another aircraft back down to the UAE, and we’ll both finish our work rotations there.
Long story short, while he certainly isn’t the first person to smuggle pork into Saudi Arabia... there is a good chance he’s the first to smuggle pork OUT of Saudi Arabia 🤣🤣🤣
That's funny
@@nobbynobbs8182 lol🤣
Badass
As an ex muslin I applaud your efforts 🙏
I can't help but remember when my wife and I were in Istanbul (Turkey) we visited a mosque. She was given a scarf to cover her head at the door (but I had no dress code) and inside was a gigantic "arena", a cathedral with a ceiling that was easily 10 stories above us. All over the floor within there were *_men_* kneeling down kissing the floor. In one small corner there was a cordoned off area with a kitchen in it and a sign on the gate saying *_"women's praying area."_*
That's really stuck with me and no one can tell me that Islam isn't a misogynistic religion where women have no rights, sorry... I witnessed it for myself!
Yes! This is something Muslim women talk a lot about, the lack of good praying areas in Mosques, even in the Western Mosques, it sucks but it's not because of the religion, it's mostly due to culture and how they perceive women, Islam actually has a pretty fair view of women if you read the Quran the issue lies with people that don't respect that, which is the majority :(
@@chickpea Religions are all man made so it's no surprise. Christianity has similar ideas but not so severe as Islam.
1Timothy 2:12 in the Bible says women must be silent.
Prayer doesn't work because there's no god to listen to them. If you listen to women who have dumped their faith you'll hear what a relief it's been (as long as it doesn't endanger their lives which it sometimes does).
@@warren52nz
Im not religious but Its important to understand the historical setting and context behind verses.
It's the reason that people look at those loose verses and interpret them at face value that makes things pretty bad for everyone, this goes for every religion, that Timothy verse, per example, is talking about a church setting and how believers have to be silent when attending, but biased translations and misogynistic people will take anything and run with it just to make themselves feel superior and put others down, I completely understand where you are coming from.
@@chickpea You're completely correct although there's a plethora of verses to point at and run with that suggest religious texts should only be viewed in a historical context and not as a guide on how to behave in the 21st century.
@@warren52nz Oh yes, I personally view religious text as mere moral stories where we should take the morals they tell and learn from that, not take them as pure historical accuracy because truth be told, religion can be a fun topic to study when not taken as seriously as people do often.
Thank you for making this video. As a leftist it frustrates me how we too often give Islam a free pass on its oppressive beliefs/practices just because its practitioners happen to be oppressed to a certain extent by our own government. It's something the left really needs to work towards moving forward.
Omg yes as a leftist Muslims it burns my blood to see people give Muslims a free pass for endorsing pedophillia and child marriage like🤮🤮
They are just as bad as how Christians are when they push their religion to a brainwashing degree
You despise oppression yet want to oppress people's right to practice religion unless it aligns to your own values.
True religious freedom cannot exist in a leftist utopia.
Yeah "just because" they're oppressed. I mean it's not a big deal right? Fuck.em because they don't share the same values as the rest of us
Same!!!! You put it in what I would say!
Personally, I think we need to stop defending all religions.
Ya
We need to stop admiring "faith" of any kind. It is not a good quality to set aside reason for wishful thinking and cultism.
Yep. We need to defend PEOPLE not religion. I honestly don't even get the concept of disrespecting a religion. Like it's just an ideology. I don't have to respect it. I can respect people who choose to believe in it, but why should I respect the belief itself? It's a belief, not a person, how does it have "respect"?
@@athenam4724 Yes. Defend the victims of these bad ideas, but not the perpetrators of the organizations... America is full of "religious" people robbing religious people for personal profit... See Joel Osteen.
For me I defending my religion cause what does my religion teach to other people, About God and other? I don't really care.
I had a friend who was a muslim and would push me to convert by giving me quran on birthday and sending me videos of preachers etc. I am very non political and non religious but his constant nagging made me unconfortable. I asked him about various terror org and why muslims are fighting with all religions and he supported the terrorists and said that they are doing it coz they are persecuted. I asked him why Muslims get so angry and not fit in with others .he said that other faiths have prejudices for muslims thats why. That was all i needed to know. I slowly made my distance from him and hardly talk except birthdays etc. They are mentally victims and angry and i dont want that vibe in my life.
You did a nice thing.....
You should tell him to explain quran 23:(1-6).... Or 4:24
But many Muslim countries are victims of intervention.
Libya was one of the best African countries before US intervention
And about the terror organization, Muslim are their principal victims and other Muslim are that the most fight against the terrorists organizations
I think people really underestimate hijabs and the role they play in oppressing Muslim women. It's not a harmless tradition of dress. Yes, there are bigger issues out there, but it actually plays a role in keeping women down. Much like some Christian attitudes toward modesty (especially in Mormonism), it often asserts that women are responsible for men's thoughts to some degree, just because of the way they dress. It becomes a form of victim blaming.
This is a VERY simple matter.
Muslims women are obligated to cover themselves and this command came from Allah. So now what does a muslim do? Obey Allah. So if muslim women choose to wear hijabs for the sake of Allah,how is that oppression? In your logic,everything anyone does for the sake of God,may they be jewish or christian,are oppressed. That makes zero sence what so ever.
Also,there are muslim women all over the world defending this claim and their righrs to wear what ever they want. The fact that its a hijab what they want should be a testimony of their strong belief.
Let me also add what where did you even get this claim like did you speak to EVERY muslim woman and made a statement from that or what? Never mind,i don't expect a answer about something that is basically a made up lie.
Minä N I’m a Muslim woman forced to wear the hijab. And there are more of us than there are women who do it because it’s their “choice”. So calm down
@@rileysel1548 You should meet my sister then. Here she is NOT forced to wear a hijab but does it anyways since its a command fron Allah. She could not care less how i or you feel. If you are a muslim you should know that we do everything for the sake of Allah. So for a muslim woman to wear a hijab is not a man made law but its from God almighty. Also i have been all around europe and i spent 2 years on and off in the emirates. I didn't ser anyone who was forced to wear a hijab. Im not saying people are not forced to wear but a woman who follows islam is never forced to wear a hijab.
If you want to neglect what Allah has commanded youto do then its all on you. No one should force you to wear a hijab. If someone does it then its a mistake they are making. You are old ebough to know whats right or wrong. You don't see me complaining how the husband in islam is the bread provider. Thats a bit more heavier thing then yours. We follow it because thats the right path. A muslim would know that.
Minä N couldn’t care less*
@@rileysel1548 Yes,i see you have no proper arguments to substantiate your argument.
I used to be like this. I think that the reason that so many liberals defend islam is that they grew up with christianity. I never had a problem criticizing christianity because I've experienced it's harmful ways, but with islam i didn't have that connection and therefore didn't feel obligated to hate it if that makes sense?
Also i worked with refugees and really wanted to do everything to defend them. It took me a while to recognize that you can criticize a religion without being mean to the people who believe in it.
Wow,solid human being. As a muslim and a fellow human being,never change buddy. Only evolve ✌
Do you live in a country, the dominant religion of which is Christianity? If yes, that's why you didn't bother criticizing Islam. And if you haven't had much contact with it, you shouldn't, because you don't know the different ways people practice it. I'm an Atheist in a Muslim majority country, and I criticize Islam because I get told off by MUSLIM people. And that's what I speak out against. I don't get people that speak out against a religion they've never been oppressed by, in a way that's very obvious that you haven't experienced any actual hardship. Idk just my opinion
@@lemonywater2979 I have a Problem with monotheistic religions in general. Christianity and Islam have a lot of things in common. Institutionalized religion is a big issue and I don't get why I shouldn't speak out against it.
And I'm not saying that all christians or muslims are bad, I'm saying that religion often is a tool used to control masses and create fear and hate. I have nothing against people that practice their religion without hurting others and I know the different kinds of islam because i had a MUSLIM explain them to me.
Also, I said in my original comment that I grew up with christianity and therefore didn't criticize islam so i doubt you fully read it. And if everyone kept to criticizing problems that only matter to them then nothing would ever get solved. I don't know if you meant to word it that way but it also irks me that you insinuated that critics have never experienced actual hardship. That's a really bad argument against criticism because you don't know anything about other people's life and their criticism is still valid.
@@minan2568 thanks btw! you sound like a great person so right back at you ✌
@@lemonywater2979 sorry if i got a little agitated there, your comment just rubbed me the wrong way
Shout out to my fellow ex Muslim brothers out there👌🏾
Otherwise known as apostates.
otherwise known as people who got smart and seen islam as the lie it is
You guys are doing good work, countering the Islamist apologetics out there.
ziggy the cub we are out hiding
@@AJamal-yj6nl well again i am happy for you, it must have been a scary experiance
I am an ex muslim and i am proud of myself for leaving the cult of islam and finally accepting myself.
Who tf said islam is a cult?
@@KAISER_187 that person did.
Clearly, they had negative experiences with the religion that may have included emotional manipulation and a strong emphasis on blind faith over constructive thought.
@@KAISER_187 Islam very much is a cult turned religion. I don't know what else to tell you.
Happy for u bro
It's incredibly hard, as an ex-Catholic, to hear women talk about how wearing hijabs and being modest "liberates" them. I grew up hearing that same lie, while being shamed and yelled at every time I lifted my arms and my stomach was exposed, or for developing breasts and having my nipples poke through the fabric of my shirt when I was twelve. I know those ideas are harmful, but I don't want to come across as racist or islamaphobic, so I don't say anything. I'm grateful for the ex-Muslim community who's speaking up for these women.
It's not racist to criticise an ideology, just like it isn't racist to criticise nazism or communism. But yes, you'll be unjustly branded a racist by ignorant idiots who don't know the difference between genetics and ideology.
@Halberdier Personally I find the idea of fearing any religion silly since all religion is utter nonsense anyways.
Halberdier I’d say that GM Skeptic said it best that we shouldn’t be conflating *Islam* with *Muslims* .The idea that a monolith of Muslims will completely overwhelm and make a theocracy of Europe is baseless and conspiratorial. That being said, I don’t argue that the religion of Islam itself advocates for a theocracy. Really any religion, especially one that’s demographically or culturally dominant in any particular region, will insist maintaining its dominant grasp.
So your idea of liberalism is to force these women to not wear a hijab? I don't get your point
saifMSK the point is to educate and empower all women to feel self confident and able to make their own choices for themselves as to how they dress and behave, instead of having to submit to the will of any patriarchal figure, be he father, husband, or god. When a woman says “I choose to wear a hijab because Allah commands it.” that is not a statement of freedom but of oppression, no different than a slave saying “I choose to work for my master because if I don’t he will beat me.” The slave doesn’t really have a choice, and neither does the woman.
As an Atheist, I was once critical of Islam here on UA-cam, and a Muslim apologist replied to me by more or less saying, Christianity had bad and unseemly scripture that condones violence. I, of course, pointed out that I was an Atheist and therefore what they argued was a moot point, because all that it proved to me that religion in general is bullshit. I honestly think there are Muslims that conveniently like to believe that anyone who criticizes Islam is Christian because it validates the archaic and less seemly parts of the Qu'ran. The whole, well what about them argument is nonsensical as it really does nothing to justify religious nonsense. All it does is strengthen my own, and other atheists' resolve.
Yup. Most religions have bad rules, but Islam, as Sam Harris pointed out, is the mother-load of bad ideas.
@@zvipatent Also that mother lode of bad ideas in Islam is often the legally enforced law of the land in most muslim countries. Big difference from predominately Christian countries where the bible may have alot of bad ideas, but it is not the legally enforced law of the land. Seperation of church and state would make a big difference in the muslim world I think.
I agree. I am not Christian, so prefer to say "separation of religion and government"@@redthunder7530
I've been accused of being a Christian propagandist by several Muslim and Jewish apologists over the years, and they try so hard to prove that's exactly what I am. Right up until I tell them I'm a Pagan. It's kind of hard to be a Christian Propagandist when you don't even believe in the religion
@@zvipatentIslam is a latecomer on the bad ideas front. Christians were butchering pagans for their god centuries before Muhammad was even born.
Bro what ur doing takes whole lot of courage. Respect from INDIA
Exactly
Unlike the lib right ( capitalist liberals not populist) the lib left doesn’t get that religion mixing with state, especially Islam is the enemy of liberals. While secularism is indeed important, the lib left ignores all the dangers of Sharia.
@@anshdshrh9619 You are right, Islam is the enemy of liberalism, and that's a good thing, knowing what resulted from liberalism.
Sharia means LAW, it's not Boogie man trust me.
People from different religions and ethnicities coexisted in harmony during Islam. We don't have Inquisitions nor mass murderers like you liberals (Stalin and Tse tung)
@@Jaafar_Alkhalifa Says liberals are bad. Uses 2 of the most authoritarian regimes ever to prove his point. Lol. Liberal’s the opposite of authoritarian. Liberalism is the belief in a limited government and political and economic freedoms, the exact opposite of authoritarian socialism
@@Jaafar_Alkhalifa Ik what Sharia means. I’m also aware of the punishments for some crimes in it. They’re extreme in some cases, and crazy in others.
As an arab woman, i think liberals should stop defending islam. Just for the sake of traumas i have gone through. And my whole life
Every time I try to explain this to some one I get shit on and called a conservative....
or called a "racist" I don't know where this stupidity comes from....I actually agree way more with conservatives over libtards anyway
I want to like this but it has 69 likes and I don't want to ruin it.
@@maggie985 Conservatives tend to be very religious, Look at Islam for instance.
@@maggie985 Yes Islam is not a race!!!!
@w9j15g Now you are being rational. Being rational is not allowed in Islam as is questioning or criticising. Blind obedience to Allah and his medieval misogynistic, paedophile, gay and Jew-hating crazed prophet is all that is called for in that doctrine.
I've always disagreed when I hear someone say "I have no problem with anyone personally". At what point is there accountability for the ownership of one's beliefs? For an extreme example, if someone were to believe that raping children is okay, would you still say "I have no problem with them personally, I just disagree with the belief that raping children is okay'. I would say no...I definitely have a problem with them, because their beliefs are a part of who they are.
Yes!
Personally, i give benefit of the doubt and assume they just worded it poorly, but i agree with what you say. A person's professed beliefs are a part of their character and should be judged as such. The point is that there are other parts to a person's character, and taking statements like that on face value is usually a bad idea (though perhaps not in the example you gave). Often times, what someone thinks they believe isn't quite what they actually believe.
Not exactly. A belief doesn't change, but what a person believes in can change. And as the person above said, what one thinks they believe isn't always what they actually believe. A person might think they believe killing an atheist is the right thing to do, but find that they cannot do it when faced with the situation.
This seems like a bit of a strawman argument. You used a made up and self-admitted extremely exaggerated example to explain why people shouldnt say they have no problem with Islam. Obviously I believe Islam can and should be critiqued but you used far too extreme an example.
Considering that these people would be Christian if they were born as Christians and atheists if they where atheists I say none.
My mom: *explaining how beautiful Islam is to my younger sister*
Meanwhile, me: *ex muslim watching videos about how bad Islam is*
Rana lmaooo same
Do they know?
And both of them are right because both those elements exist in Islam, and Christianity, and...
This is why religion can be fine when it internally helps a person find their place in the chaotic and confusing world, but becomes cruel when the True Doctrine (TM) must be enforced on others.
TheGroovyJones preach it👏🏼👏🏼 religion is great if it brings a person sanctity but it should never be forced upon or made so its incredibly difficult to leave.
@@lepilz9529 no, they'll never ever eveeeeer know.
This is why its a good rule of thumb to keep religion separate from government
The problem is, even if it is kept at arm's length, it can never truly be separate. Religion is part of the formation of one's morals. Thus, those in politics still exert influence considered "moral" by their religion.
There are some compromises that can never happen because of a moral, and therefore religious, difference in opinion. Without the option to argue religion, the decision must be made by a contest, rather than an argument.
A lot of muslim people often say, "I am not perfect and criticize me but Islam is perfect"
Your pov is refreshingly new.
How dare you treat ideas fairly.
Where is it fair ???
@@zacksmith6181
It is fair, he criticise both religion , but some of liberals won't.
@@ajinkyathorat7502 Exactly. All religions deserve the same criticisms. Which in that case neither Christianity nor Judaism nor any Abrahamic religion are particularly good or tolerant and all of them are backward.
It is okay to criticize Islam as a religion just as it is okay to criticize Judaism or Christianity. In fact, it is even okay to criticize certain people of a religion for their extreme ideas. However, it is not okay to hate members of these faiths, as a whole. There is no definite idea or inherent evil in every member of any of these faiths, and you must accept this, despite your faith.
-Me (An Orthodox Jew)
Totally agree! Well said.
That’s what the staff at Charlie Hebdo thought. After being gunned down for their cartoons. I note no more cartoons depicting the prophet. Not out of respect but out of fear.
Sahih Muslim book 041 number 6985
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.
Though it's more of a risk to your life to criticize islam
The Koran is a conquest manual and Islam is a codecil of disciplines
designed for the spread of control and power of those at the top.
There's really nothing noble about it. Would Liberals support Nazism if
someone called it a religion? Absurd.
Ex-Muslim here. But i still pretend to be a muslim bcz my family is super religious 🙃
Same. My father is super into his Hindu beliefs. Am not that interested and see through it. Still play along...
That must suck, I feel for you.
@@henkiemeneer9416 yes babe 😢
@@justsomerandomguy4127 let's just meet and kiss 🫳🫳
@@Hellokitty_391 She dont want you bro 💀💀
CLEARLY ISLAM IS FOR EQUALITY!!!!!
Even Aisha said she had not seen any woman suffer as much as those who submitted to Islam..
wait.... There was going to be point to that..
Some kind of Entity source?!
@@onlyresilience6276 na he's right, aisha was married at 6 years old, still playing with her dolls... =
@@onlyresilience6276 Yeah, and what did Mohamed say? 'You should've obeyed you're husband better.'
@MaximilianoDent Except that the apologists will bend the truth of what these sources say with their ridiculous interpretations
Oro?
"We have to be able to criticize bad ideas." "Islam is the mother-load of bad ideas." Very well said!
@@kashifbutt2578 Why? He's just agreeing with a statement in the video
I don’t think setting up a system of government where you earn your wealth through intelligent trading, and the advancement of science and mathematics is bad
Mother lode, but I take your point.
@@awakeningtovacuity8372 Actually the correct spelling is mother load
@@the_polish_prince8966 nope, it's mother lode.
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a rich source of something.
"your portfolio holds a mother lode of opportunities"
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Asking a religiously indoctrinated person about their status in their religion tends to elicit a defense of whatever they have been instructed, not what they actually think, or would conclude if they had complete freedom of thought and permission to freely inform themselves. This is why theocracies control information and severely punish dissidents. This is why uncensored Internet tends to kill religion everywhere it is available.
The US has uncensored internet and is still quite religious. Explain that.
Spending 15x more on the military than education.
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CDHord, muslims are the only ones who will attack you for speaking against islam. Christians won't.
@@wmiller2811: I don't see how that has anything to do with an uncensored internet.
@@chengliu872 Religion is dying off in America.
I have many friends who were raised in Muslim culture and escaped. None of them are defending Islam but have a lot to say against it.. 😅 And their stories are heartbreaking, ranging from own mother forced to marry a 20 years older man, who wasn't happy neither to marry a child (and gracefully waited for her to grow up until he had sex with her), women who are from Iran whose parents were more free and now they suffering and escaped Iran, Turkish people who were living here, studying here until they were forced back to Turkey to work in a low paid job for an uncle. Or women who hated hijabs and the jokes like "of course a women can go unveiled, as long she never leaves the house", how they hated it.. Even in school where they had to lie to their parents to see people who weren't "raised in true faith"... This video is 4 years old.. and after October 7th 2023, the Hamas attacks on Israel, the world has to wake up. 😮
Islam doesn't allow forced marriages.... lot's of those things are cultural. I always say that islam is perfect but the people aren't.
@@Spouwmuur So what? Are you just going to deny the testimony of this woman, along with all the other wounded girls in this comment section?
@@deanrisk2828 No, I just want to make clear that their problems, like being forced to marry someone, have nothing to do with Islam. They're wounded because of their weird culture.
@@Spouwmuurthat’s facts. tho it’s still kinda sucky cus from my knowledge (correct me if I’m wrong), Muslim men are allowed to marry woman that are Christian or Jews whilst woman aren’t allowed to. And men can have multiple wives whilst woman can’t (with the condition that they treat all their wives equally). Which in the modern world both glaringly can have potential social, financial and emotional repercussions. But it could be worse, just a little eh. 🫤
@@Oreoss You're right on both points. The main reason for this is that we believe men and women are equal (in value) but different. We believe that man in their nature have more authority then women, so a christian father will leave behind christian kids. And a women with 4 husbands would be the same as 4 captains on one ship😅. There are youtubers with way more knowledge then me: Muslimlantern, mohammed hijab, assim al hakeem. But I respect that you did your research👍
9:47 "they dare to speak for us"
Uhm, how many times does Islam speaks for Jews, Christians, Atheists and pagans?
About as many times as those other groups speak for each other.
It's easier to make assumptions about opposing groups than do research.
We don’t lol
@@ahmedaizi1477 Yes they do. Every time islam and christianity talk about Old Testament figures like Noah or Moses, they speak for jews. Every time islam talks about New Testament figures like Jesus and Mary, the speak for christians.
The three great monotheisms are a mixture of sequels, prequels, plagiarism and fan fiction.
@@ixlnxs I don't think we 'speak' but because the beliefs are similar (?) We have the concept of Noah (A.S) Moses (A.S) Jesus (A.S) and Mary (A.S) in the Quran. Well the firstthree names are our prophets so we do speak on them, but we do not speak FOR the opposition.
@@moonscore77 They were jewish prophets. Christians and muslims just appropriated them. Muslims also appropriated the christian characters, so islam is the ultimate cultural appropriation and the ultimate plagiarism.
I do not understand why you consistently start your heavily intellectual videos with memes,
But i LOVE IT!
Sometimes starting with something funny is a way to get people to let go of some tension.
Tension that might color the whole take of a video.
Especially when it is a frowned upon topic.
James Esteron isn’t the whole video a meme? Perhaps you use a different definition of the word “meme” than the definition I’ve used for the past 40+ years, which is that a meme is an element of culture that is passed from one individual to another by non-genetic means. For example, the Macarena is a meme. Reciting “The Lord’s Prayer” is a meme. “All Your Base are Belong to Us” is a meme. Bunches of memes that get transmitted together are called a “meme complex” for example the current North American rituals surrounding the celebration of Christmas.
Memes are love. Memes are life.
Then watch right wing videos... It's pretty common on that side...
Meming isn't really the strongest strength of the left.
Ex-Muslim here from Texas, thank you for this video. Very well put together!
Nature's Compendium I’m glad you made it this far, but how the hell did you survive in Texas?
@@tomhato5523 Texas has lots of muslims, what the heck are you taking about?
Jeff C he’s referring to the bigotry there. I knew a Texan and he was the biggest racist asshole I’ve ever met
Jeff C Texas is also kind of an insane state. Most of them watch Fox News
@@FictionFlareProductions I live in a Texas city that voted for Trump by +49 points, so I know, but I also know people who are very accepting and generous. There are good and bad people in any group.
I talked once with one muslim girl from afghanistan and she confessed that she doesn't want to wear hijab but is forced by her her family and husband that she didn't choose nor can divorce. At the same time when she talked to people whom she didn't know well she would not bring it up if asked saying it's her own choice because why would she mention her problems to others. It's scary to imagine how many more women suffer like this. I have a big problem with those who say that it's their own choice and we should ask muslim women first about it. Of course you would say it's your choice when your entire life you were dictated it is what you must truly want the same way as a person would learn to say that the sky is green when it's not who is living in a society that says that the sky is green and can't be other colour and in case you disagree they dismember you.
Another thing that bothers me is how the modern world reacts to criticising islam. I've had experience of people disapproving my stands on islam if we talked about them publicly and then in private very fearful say that they agree. This has happened to me too many times. We live in a world where we are heavily censored and fear to speak up and I will no longer stop myself. I will continue criticising islam as I don't accept silent ignore of shortcomings of the ideology especially having lived in islamic society for 6 years. This ideology is dangerous and people don't realise how much. It doesn't mean I would discriminate anyone though as everyone should be judged by their actions.
I cried when you talked about the situation in Iran( where i live ). thanks for the support!
and I agree with you. as a born-muslim and whit my experience of living in Iran it is important to see Islam as a whole and criticize it as an idea . it should not led to anger toward muslims but it should question the ideas that muslims are practising in large scale. Islam is not a private religion, lots of its laws and shariat is about governing society, punishment, economics and how people act in public or private. islamic republic(!) of Iran is a dictatorship based on islamic beliefs. the lifestyle of people is dictated to them there is no diversity and those who break the norm are punished. you can not drink alcohol even in your private parties. there is no bar or clubs. woman can not sing in public or profesionaly unless they are accompanied by a man. woman have to cover their arms and breast legs and torso as said in qoran. ir you do not do these you will be imprisoned. I also have to mention lgbtq+ people's situation... well there is no education and it is culturally a massive taboo. a man who bottoms will be executed and the man who topped him will be whipped! as said in Islam. nonbinary people and transgender people have no other way than transitioning and they will be forced to transition. in the month of ramadan you can not drink or eat in public even if you are not fasting or you will be whipped 80 times( as i know) there is no restaurant or cafes open in fasting period. you can not change your religion or you will be executed because you have left islam(there is a law in Islam that if you leave islam and you express and present your new religion you are mohareb which means that you are fighting against islam so your blood should be shed) . lots of churches are closed and the ones that are open can not accept non-christians
I have heard and seen studies which indicate that alpt of people are leaving islam and becoming either agnostic or atheist. My question is are you yourself seing something like that
@@thema.sosoudid2229 yes of course. I live in a northern city in Iran which is not very religious. but majority of our generation are atheists. in the religious cities like Isfahan or Mashhad or ... the statics are different but even in those cities the non-believer people are growing.
there are lots of people older than us who are losing faith. they do not act in religious habits like they used to. mosques are getting emptier and religious events has lost the attraction in the public society.
I have a friend that is an ex Muslim from Algeria!
I am curious, how do you leave Islam?? I am a non-Muslim myself, but have only known that you are killed if you leave Islam
@@avoirlafoi2580 you are right. If i publicly say that i am ex-muslim it is possible for me to be sentenced to death by the law of islam,and islamic republic of iran.
Meanwhile in Iran they use these kind of accusations to suppress activist. For example if I do activities against islamic regime and if they know that i do not believe in Islam my first accusation is that I am Mohareb (which means that i am against allah and islam) and by islamic laws i have to die.
As someone who grew up Muslim, I know the feeling there feeling. Sometimes I feel like my dad will disown me because i refuse to follow Muslim practices. One of the things that appalls me is their ignorance to history that is not Muslim. I have been to Babylon and the Al-Ukhaidir Fortress. One is taken care of while the other is a sitting duck to decay because it is not an muslim "relic". Being Muslim is not a choice for most people but is something they are just expected to follow because it is what their parents believe. I was lucky enough that only one of my parents are Muslim and that I somewhat had a choice of it.
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There is no compulsion in religion. Quran 2:256
@@usmankhalifa5699 yet the verse after that threatens disbelievers with hellfire.
@@LV_427 if you dont believe in God you shouldnt care
@@LV_427 the concept of hell and paradise is to keep you on the right course as you are here for a test life s ahort but Allah forgives, if you dont want his forgiveness you dont get it
trust me everybody, as an exmuslim, Islam is way way way way worse than what you think it is
I bet. Like Mormons. Way worse than you would first think
I trust you on it.
I was in it for just 3 years as an adult, and never learned more Arabic than to be able to pray. I feel I only scratched the surface. Though it was enough to drive me right out again.
Liberalism is Islam's greatest enemy.
@Cullen Froese "Yo I visited this cool anti-Islamic website made by anonymous trolls like myself,so I'm a PhD graduate from Harvard."
These retards don't get it.
It’s a peaceful religion because if you criticize it you will be get rest in peace
Thank you for making this video👍 I am an ex muslim girl from Turkey and your videos help so much. I still didn't come out so it helps a lot seeing that there are people like me.
I wish you much courage. And I hope some day you'll be able to come out. In the meantime, please stay safe.
Yalniz degilsin💓
Biz daha fazlayız ama farkında değiliz korkudan.
I wish you best of luck. Greetings from the Netherlands.
Be careful. Turkey is on it's way towards a sharia state. Escape while you still can.
Hey I’m an ex Muslim and I love your content. I still have Muslim friends even though I’m an atheist. I usually say that Islam is the problem not Muslims. There are some amazing Muslims who are my best friends but I don’t follow what they believe in but that’s they choose to believe.
How can it be the one true word of God if you can have different interpretations of it?
Because they made it up lol
Riftsighf itwasreveled 4 different ways and all ate right and each imam took the role of understanding one of the four and started teaching it and again all of the are right and there is only one copy of th Quran it has not been changed at all please educate yourself about my religion before speaking
@@zainynainy7446 how do they each view transgenders?
Valentina Z honestly I really don’t know I’m actually learning g about it atm I’ll get back to u but in my presprective I see it as honestly my life is my life and their life is their life ❤️
And they can do whatever they want cuz I’m not going to be in their grave they r
This video is almost 5 years old and aged really damn well
Yeah and right now we need it more than ever!
They being wrong don't makes you being right
Islam is not just a Religion, it has clearly defined political aspects, as such it is an Ideology. We as citizens of a culture, have an obligation to critizise Ideologyes that are dangerous to our society and culture.
@IdleBigots but how is that different than any other major world religion?
@IdleBigots You've just described Christianity in the middle ages. The problem is not islam, the problem - just as in christianity, judaism, or any other religion - is extremism. Yes, Islam is a political ideology - but much of the mideast was very liberal before the oil crisis when we invaded and destabilized every nation in the mideast, leading them into the rule of religious fundamentalism. Islam is a dangerous ideology, but the only difference between the middle ages and now is we're supplying the weapons to allow these people to murder each other rather than doing it ourselves. If we would just GTFO of the mideast, cut off the trade, they would be forced to either digress back into the stone ages or adapt to a modern world.
@:ToggleSwitch: im sorry i dont understand what you Mean by thi question?
@@jaytotheareokay other religions dont have that political aspekt, as they dont teach to actievly go and subjectgate the non believers.
@@bradscott3165 i agree somewhat with your argument, but still neither christianity nor judaism actievly preaches death to non believers. Not now, and not in the drak ages.
When I was in high school, I had friends from all walks of life and that included a friend who was Muslim. She did not wear a hijab and was even very critical of the religion's tendency to oppress women. It was she who first told me about their various beliefs and when I asked her why she didn't wear her head covering, she told me that she didn't want to wear it as it was a symbol of that oppression.
What kills me about liberals who say you cannot criticize Islam, is that they seem to forget that "radicalism" isn't just reserved for those we see as terrorists. Some every day Muslims tend to hold very similar beliefs. I can point to a few off the top of my head right now: the father who killed his two daughters in the back of his car in Texas, the parents of a Muslim girl (who just wanted to be accepted and was tormented by the fact that she was a disappointment to her parents) who killed her in Britain for becoming too Westernized. She did not wear a hijab, she talked to boys, she had a phone number from one and did not wish to be married off to someone she had never met before.
Yes, many Muslims aren't like the examples I gave but it is a sad thought that someone can be killed by their family simply for not adhering to Islamic beliefs.
@Sky Daddy Loves Me and who says u can lie about islam ??? U did many times sweety
@@zacksmith6181 not all people lie about islam you know
This is especially true in the case of Iran, we are so tired of this Islamic theocracy and our women are burning their forced hijab, we ALL should criticize harmful ideas.
Islam is very right wing.
it’s bigoted and ultra conservative, to be precise.
@@vengxance "ultra conservative" doesn't do it justice. that's maybe your average Muslim, but average Muslims are far better than Islam.
I know several decent Muslims, but that doesn't make their religion decent or humane at all.
Cptlogs13 what is there to think about?
Religion should be abolished
Why do you believe Islam is inhumane, let me know? Because the religion at it's core has nothing to do with terrorism or other extremist ideologies. If it did it wouldn't have reached the hearts and minds of 1.8 billion people. Islam has many different teachings that I don't want to force on you, but the one I will bring up for the sake of conversation. In Islam a teaching that we all learn as young children is to respect everyone no matter their religion or belief. Study before you make a statement about another's religion. P.S Yes, I am a Muslim.
If you want to educate yourself dm me on insta @elementaryknowledge
@@freshforreal2302 I'm an ex Muslim. So, let me address what you have said. Islam is not a religion of peace, instead it is a religion which practices extremist and totalitarian values. You say your religion is not extremist, but at its core this is a wrong statement. The Quran is actively inciting violence against non believers. This is the part of the religion which most Muslims refuse acknowledge and or ignore or interpret it differently, but to interrupt these as anything other then hate speech is disingenuous because it cannot be interpreted any other way. Meaning that to truely call oneself a Muslim you have to also embrace these extreme ideologies. Some examples from the Quran:
“You shall be called upon to fight a mighty nation, unless they accept Islam.” [48:16]
“Whoever fights in the way of Allah, be he slain or victorious, on him we shall bestow a vast reward.” [4:74]
“Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. Those who follow him are merciful to one another, but ruthless to disbelievers.” [48:29]
“Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve.” [8:55]
“O you who believe! Fight those of the non-Muslims who are near to you and let them find harshness in you.” [9:123]
“If anyone desires a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of the losers.” [3:85]
These are some examples of the radical ideas that the Quran teaches. So, again, it is disingenuous to say that extremist values are not part of Islam. And do not get me started on womens rights, and LGBTQ rights and how these people are represented in Islam. You said, If these extremist ideologies are present in Islam, then why don't the 1.8 billion people act like extremist? Well it's because in the modern age morality is not a concept exclusive to religion. Morality is part of society in this day in age. Since, this the case, people understand right from wrong and reject the extreme values from the Quran because they do not fit with the morality of society today. Or Muslims interpret these extreme ideology from Quran in a different way, but again you cannot interpret them in any other way because that would be disingenuous. We only see examples of extreme Islamic values in Islamic controlled countries and radicalised individuals. Finally, you say Islam reached you from young age to respect people from all beliefs and walks of life. Well I commend you for your progressive mind, but I have already showed a few quotes from the Quran that speak to the contrary. Most Muslims do not respect other beliefs but rather tolerate them, and tolerating and respecting others beliefs are 2 different things. Thank you for listening. Have a nice day.
I think that its pretty clear, some leftists in the Western world feel like they can't criticise minorities therefore they have the need to defend muslims since they are a minority here. If the same people tried defending different minorities in an ismalmic theocracy they wouldn't end well.
I often hear people complain that atheists only criticise Christianity and that they are "afraid" to go afterIslam or other religions. When it comes to me personally, I mostly criticise Christianity because I know a lot about it, I know what it's like growing up in a Christian family, I've read the Bible etc etc. But I know barely anything about Islam, so I won't talk about it because I don't want to be factually wrong. It's simple as that. I am critical of all religions, I just can't speak in detail about most of them, even though I try my best to further my knowledge.
So maybe you should read quran before you criticize biblie and christianity ?
I’m very similar, only really familiar with Christianity, so it’s mainly what I criticize.
@@user-hb9mz2hp2g why, when Christianity is based upon the Bible?
If you criticise Islam, you get death threats. So it's understandable that most people don't criticize it openly.
@@theperson431 the same was true about christianity in centuries past. This too shall pass...
You can use those holy books to say almost anything. And books that open to interpretation isn't worth very much when trying to figure out objective truths
Okay, I'm an ex-Muslim, but I still want to have two doubts cleared.
1.Why do atheists claim that the Quran is not special? When the language in it is special and no one has been able to imitate it for centuries?
2.If we discovered that God exists, then what would be the point of living? I mean like, this is an assumption, but shouldn't the point be that we live for the afterlife and what our deeds will be? If we discovered that God exists, then what would be the purpose of life? Since all of humanity will worship and follow him there would be no point, the point is to see whether or not people will believe in God in the absence of evidence, but this is just a hypothesis.
@@jeannedarc7533 I'll have my shot at this.
For your first question, I'll explain with the help of a metaphor: Let's say I have a jar full of pennies, with a couple of quarters mixed in. Just because the few quarters are mixed in, does that mean that the whole entire jar is suddenly filled with quarters? No. Just because one aspect of a certain religious text (be it the Bible, Quran, Torah, or anything else) has something special or contains good ideas, does not suddenly legitimize the book, the religion based around its ideas, or any of the other ideas it presents.
As for the second one, we wouldn't. Simple as that. If we had concrete, hard evidence that the god of one of the world's religions existed, then there would be no real point to living except attaining the best afterlife that you can. Also, it would kind of disprove religions all together, if you think about it. Their whole goal is to believe, to hold out hope that your hero is real, cares about you, and determines your every action. God suddenly being 100% proven kind of defeats the point. But, isn't the idea of controlling your own path, your own destiny, enticing? The fact that there is no god may mean that there is no place where you keep on living after you die, but it also means that there is no supreme force judging your every action. It means that there is nothing that determines who you are and what your actions are except for you and the people around you. When there is no god, YOU are in control. You make your own choices, not based on what some distant figure would think is right, but based on what YOU think is right. You give to those in need, not because you think some overseeing god will give you brownie points in the afterlife, but because you see problems around you and you take your own step to alleviate that problem in whatever capacity you can. When you are kind to others, you don't do it with the incentive of riches after you die, you do it because you want to be an example of what you want to see in the world around you. That is what being free from a god means. It means that you have control of who you are, where you go, and what you do.
@@metroplexprime9901 As for the first response, this is ironically what I anticipated the response to be, and it's actually plausible, I concur with it, just because one facet of a religion is great, like it's language for instance, that doesn't mean that we shouldn't chastise other bad and fallacious axioms in a religion, I agree with you on the first response.
As for the second one, "Also, it would kind of disprove religions all together, if you think about it. Their whole goal is to believe, to hold out hope that your hero is real, cares about you, and determines your every action." was the cardinal message that helped me understand why we shouldn't make ignorant assumptions about an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, and transcendent deity but instead follow objective truths and science, and you're right we make decisions and choices based on our own selves, and not some Greek god, or Mesopotamian religion, evolution has shaped our morality, not religion. Common sense, acumen, and logic are one of the main mechanisms by which society runs itself, it isn't derived from religion, I completely agree with you, in fact I'm now an ex-Muslim and I'm an atheist now, thank you very much for the response, I really needed it, it helped me understand better mate.
@@jeannedarc7533 No problem. It's always good to hear someone else affirm your actions and thoughts, to be assured that you aren't the odd one out. This mechanism can be used for harm and for good.
Spot on
I had a Muslim coworker once. I accidentally walked in on him praying and he hissed at me like a cat and barreled toward the door on all fours
Eww that sounds terrifying
Did it ever come across to you that he might just be weird himself??😭 that’s got nothing to do with the video, you’re just proving the point of the Muslim liberals
@@Ami_inluv inshallah, you shall be blinded and your fingers rendered numb so you may not even read through braille
@@Ami_inluv Muslim liberals? You mean musIims using taqiya to dupe liberals.
now what’s that gotta with islam😭😭
“Being liberal, or politically left” liberalism isn’t left, it’s centrist.
People just don't get that Liberalism and Conservatism can be used either on the Right or Left political spectrums
Sir Steam liberalism is right wing. It’s capitalist, while left is socialist.
@@heccingcommie4942 Liberals can be on both sides for one side isn't completely one thing or another so "Left is socialist" line isn't true for while the left embraces it more doesn't mean all of the left are socialists and it doesn't mean that all the left hates capitalism
Yeah... Liberals wanna jack our leftist edginess, but they're just not cool enough. B)
@@sirsteam181 you are confusing liberalism with progressivism (which is the actual opposite of conservatism). The defining characteristic of left wing ideologies is opposition to capitalism. Except for social democracy which is center left and has a capitalist economic model with higher taxation and social benefits like free healthcare and education (primary examples are the nordic countries). The only way to even consider liberalism as left wing is to shift the overtone window so far to the right, that actual center-left policies sound radical and unthinkable.
I want to commend you, sir. I have fallen into yoir rabbit hole and appreciate your work.
I am a practicing muslim, and while I tend to disagree with your views, I do appreciate your demeanor, and understand your rationale. I think you're quite well spoken.
Salaam, friend. Please continue to create fair content, and I will pray for your success =)
Wow, thank you so much!
It takes courage and honesty to acknowledge the arguments and thoughts of somebody you disagree with. You have my deep respect!
Love seeing comments like this. People willing to listen to other people's opinions to understand them better. You're brave.
as a woman from Iran, I hope more people see and understand this video! if we do not debunk this faulty ideology, we can never have peace in our region =)))))
Dont worry hun! Iran is majority exmuslim now.I saw from david woods video
do you think peace in your region has to do with religion?
@@blade7506 as an Indian, yes. All the bloodbath in my country stemmed from religions, Islam included
Saying islamic governments are not real Islam has the same vibe of saying the USSR is not real socialism
Indeed. I would say that the goverments that don't represent real islam are Albania, Turkey and Bosnia and they are far better than real islamic ones (though Turkey leads towards Islamism more and more as the years pass but it's still better in comparison). Albania isn't even officially muslim, they never had religion as their basis for their identity, but their carelessness of religion plus their love for their national identity is what ironically made them have religious harmony, otherwise they would've slaughtered each other 😂
It wasn't... Neither is china
I agree with most of what you said, but I want to talk a little about the last point.
It is true that we shouldn't just take muslim women's opinion when it comes to the oppression there is thanks to Islam, BUT I also think that keeping up with the direct criticisms aimed towards muslims, we won't accomplish anything, since they'll just see us as dumb biggoted westerners that should really just mind their own buisness. And honestly? I think that's fair; they've had their lifestyle for thousands of years and they won't change it just because *we* say it's wrong; they have to see for themselves that it's wrong and recognize this fact. It may be difficult, sure, but I think that's ultimately the only way muslims will change their worldview, especially when it comes to womens' rights. All we can do is show them how *we* live, and the rights women here have, and they will probably want it for themselves.
My best friend is muslim, and from Saudi Arabia too (for those who don't know, Saudi Arabia basically bases all its laws in the islamic religion and it's one of the countries with less rights for women out there). Is she opressed? Totally. Does she know? Not at all. But you know what, she *will*, and I have absolutely no doubt about it. She likes cars and wants to learn how to drive. Someday she'll realize that's still not compleatly legal in her country. She likes women and has no interest in men. Right now she says that's fine, and she'll marry a man, but I have no doubt her opinion will change once her parents find her a fiance. She likes listening to music, she likes drawing lesbian couples, and other things that are forbidden in her religion, and someday she'll realize she can't be truly happy if she keeps mindlessy supporting every idea in her religion. And that's great! That's how change happens. That's how women from Saudi Arabia have been accquiring more and more rights; it has to be their decision and their fight. All we can do is support them.
This. You cannot abuse someone into realizing that they're being abused. Hopefully your friend will stay the course; rather than giving in if things get difficult.
I used to lived in Saudi Arabia and I totally agree with you. I also have a friend who’s still there and is oppressed by her family. In the pas she used to give excuses for that but now she’ seems depressed and is slowly realizing her sad reality.
I mean... No matter how much you wait for them to change .. If they live their lives based on the principles of a book , that change will never happen because you can't changes what's already written . You have to destroy it's credibility.
Changes in Saudi are not happening because women there are speaking up (they can't, they are not allowed to)... these changes are happening because the rest of the world is criticizing them and it is affecting their tourism. Money is also the factor behind saudi opening a Islam-law-free state for tourism
the only thing keeping saudi afloat is oil and mineral both of which is running out. as renewable energy is coming they know they cant keep hanging onto a sinking ship so they focus on tourism, which they know if they restrict half the population it will be difficult so hopefully there will be changes made and people will have more freedom.
hopefully.........
USA, burning bras in 1970.
IRAN, burning hijabs in 2020
Actually, I think Iran used to be quite liberal in the 70’s too.
@@stephenrochester6309 you are correct.
@@stephenrochester6309 It was
Well I can't burn my fk hijab that way in Pakistan.
The blasphemy laws are strict and I would let myself killed.
Edit : Around 50% of iranians are athiest now
@@o_0264 Move out of such countries
"For extremists, it's not (peaceful)"
All you need to do is be an actual Muslim to know it's not
Islamic woman treatment is rape of human rights.
I never understood why they defend it so much. Specially the LGBTQ+ community. Those who do are the biggest Pick-mes
it's actually very simple: we know how it feels to be discriminated and we feel empathy towards muslims.
it's not like we lived in a perfect world where reasonable people read and hear muslims talk about their experiences with the patriarchy in their culture/religion. as the youtuber himself has said many of the islamophobic comments come disguised as mere criticism against islam.
yes, islam deserves some pretty structured ciritisms as many other belief systems because of the harm the extremist sides are doing to peoples' basic human rights, but yet, we see almost everywhere a dehumanization of muslim people. context matters, it always did.
Thank you so much, you are awesome! I'm also a liberal, but I just can't with the relentless defense of Islam. I'm actually even afraid to say anything, so I keep my mouth shut. I'm not an Islamophobe, that's absolutely ridiculous. That's like saying I'm a Christianophobe. My entire family and most of my friends are Christian! I grew up Christian! Am I bigotted towards them? Of course not! I also grew up in a street where my family was one of just three non-Muslim families. I loved that neighborhood so much, I had friends everywhere within that community. Today, I'm a volunteer for refugees, 90% of whom are Muslim and they're awesome and funny people. But there are certain doctrines within Islam which I just can't believe people would support. Not even my Muslim friends support those aspects of their religion! But dare say anything against those doctrines as a non-Muslim and you're called out. Criticize the exact same aspects and doctrines of Christianity ('cuz they're extremely similar), and every liberal agrees. It's a double-standard. I'm so glad whenever I see liberals/left-leaning people who share my unpopular opinion because most of the time, it's only ever *actual* bigots who speak out.
The far left defends Islam. Moderate leftists don't. Also, don't be afraid to say anything. Just call the people who disagree with you "liberal pussies." That's what I do.
Liberalism is the greatest enemy of Islam.
The use of "phobe" in these contexts is a gross barbarism imo. Even those who are bigoted at muslims don't necessarily have an "irrational fear" for islam, much less those who simply criticise it. Whoever made up those words had no idea about latin, or english for that matter.
@@sarenareth689 What about those who are not only bigoted towards Muslims,but also kill Sikh people thinking that they are Muslims?
@@tasinal-hassan8268 Do you necessarily have an irrational fear of islam if you kill Sikh's thinking they are muslims? Those people are plain psychopathic on top of ignorant. The definition "phobe" simply doesn't apply, something way worse does.
A "phobe" like someone with arachnaphobia or dread of heights irrationially panics once they see a spider or observe a high altitude and try to run in fear. Someone slaughtering people isn't running in fear.
As an Ex-Muslim myself, I always execused the immoral and unscientific things in my religion with people just being racist and not understanding my point of view, now after leaving that cult, I really appreciate the people who helped me open my eyes and I hope more people could too.
@Cullen Froese typical "that's not the real Islam" reply
@Cullen Froese not really, if you look these things up ON ISLAMIC SITES you'll see they're all true but you'll also see Muslims trying to execuse these things not debunk them.
If you would like to debunk any of the things I said, feel free to do so
@Cullen Froese you may start with stating why Omar Animations were wrong by debunking his post.
@Cullen Froese as I already said, feel free to do so.
@Cullen Froese first of all I won't reply to your low blows trying to bring me down to your level with insults
Secondly, here's a hadith that supports killing gay people (of course I meant gay by LGBT but the word "liwat" basically meant same sex intercourse so I said lgbt), oh I forgot to mention that the hadith that says to throw them is a weak hadith, my fault, so here's the sahih hadith which basically tells them to be killed by stoning or beheading (both sides the doer and the one being done to)
الحديث عن النبي ﷺ أنه قال: من وجدتموه يعمل عمل قوم لوط، فاقتلوا الفاعل والمفعول به
Not to mention the whole sura "Lut" that told how god punished a whole village by flipping the village upside down for doing gay sex.
Here are one of the most trusted sources of Islam (ibn al qaem) talking about how ibn-sina was an athiest
ووصفه ابن القيم أيضا بقوله : "الملحد ، بل رأس ملاحدة الملة" كما في "الصواعق المرسلة" (3/1105) .
You being underresearched doesn't make me a fool.
i must thank this channel so much ... for spreading the words of those who were cought and tortured voicelessly in my country for the very basic right of freedom
White Wednesday every Wednesday 🏳️
Liberals, understandably, don't feel the need to criticize islam because it's not the religion engendering social issues in America, where muslims are an oppressed minority, so they naturally and understandably resort to criticizing Christianity. Liberals, of whom I am one, and a middle eastern ex-christian myself, unfortunately don't understand that islam is an actual historical expansion of Christianity. Early Christianity had countless sects, including Nestorianism (an early Christian denomination that held that Jesus was a prophet, but not god). There was also the proto-Orthodox sect (on whose basis are most of today's prominent Christian doctrines predicate). It received political power and recognition because it could successfully reach the emperor, unlike both Nestorianism and the gnostic pro-feminine Gospel-of-Mary sects, which didn't receive political power and were kind of swept under the rug and deemed "heretical" by the sect that received power. And you know, the victors write history.
The thing about Muhammad was that he met a Christian Nestorian monk named Bahira when Muhammad was 9-12 years old, and the monk told Muhammad and his uncle that Muhammad would become the great leader of the "new religion", you know, Islam, which, "coincidentally" holds exactly Nestorian beliefs. And so, Islam, at its core, is a Christian sect that was formerly rejected by those in power and that rejection seemed to backfire and spiral and mutate into the most violent Christian sect and religion (mixing with some pagan ideas, like the Kaaba stone) humanity has known. So yeah, that's what liberals just can't see. That it all has the same origin.
And there it is, ladies and gentlemen, the tasty fruits of primitive tribalism and dualism.
So well done, and I always wondered why Islam gets a free pass so often