Cleaved has big plans to redevelop the area around the stadium, including making it much easier to traverse the bluff-rails-highway barrier between downtown and the shore. Perhaps this will pump more energy into the waterfront line.
The Flats area is named such because quite simply, that area is a floodplain compared to the rest of the city which is hilly. When settlers first came to Cleveland, they chose to live in the Flats, but its swampy feel caused so much illness that they chose to move to higher ground! And Cleveland became home to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame because of pledging $65 million in public money to fund it as well as making the point that Alan Freed, who once lived in Cleveland before his passing, heavily popularized rock and roll, and hosted the Moondog Coronation Ball in 1952 which is accepted as the first major rock and roll concert.
@@BrentFiore All the parking lots there would provide opportunities for redevelopment, but there is a cultural aspect of "muni lot tailgating" for browns games.
I just love how the destination signs on the vehicles are just a line that shows what colored line you're on 💀The Detroit-Superior Bridge is similar in design to the Sydney Harbour Bridge! Of course the Sydney Harbour Bridge is more iconic, newer, and bigger as it opened in 1932 and took over eight years to build a 3,770-foot-long bridge, but it opened with tram tracks just like Cleveland! They didn't build a lower deck for trams like Cleveland did however, but rather it ran right next to cars. Tram service across the bridge ended in 1958 and the tracks they had used were removed and replaced by two extra road lanes which are the leftmost southbound lanes. But that's not all as it also opened for trains! The first test train, a steam locomotive, safely crossed the Sydney Harbour Bridge in January 1932. The bridge lies between Milsons Point and Wynyard railway stations, located on the north and south shores respectively, with two tracks running along the western side of the bridge. These tracks are part of the North Shore railway line, and the trains still run on the bridge today! In 2010, the average daily traffic included 204 trains
This line actually has a lot of potential. There have been talks about extending the waterfront line from south harbor up to E 18th St where it would run as a streetcar until it meets back up with the red/green/blue lines by the cuyahoga river, forming a downtown loop.
They built it usually with relatively good intentions, trying to lower car traffic, increase mobility for people without cars, ect. They abandon it because it often ends up poorly planned, poorly executed, and poorly maintained, largely because governments don't want to invest funds that could go to car centric infrastructure. I mean for example if a train has to stop at every light and often travels slower than a car, unless you happen to live in the perfect spot and are willing to waste time, why would you ever take the train? But if a train could bypass all lights and get consequently get to a destination faster than cars, well now there is a good incentive. Too bad so many US city metros are ground level having to stop at red lights and are slower than cars.
Fun fact: When the RTA runs two car light rail trains, another operator must sit in the other train and open the doors. Two car trains are rare. Only seen for a few reasons. Big events downtown where both cars are open to passengers. A train breaks down & is towed back to East 55th rapid station(main train yard) Or in the winter for traction. Great video, glad to see the attention to CLE
If the Cleveland Browns want a new stadium, why not demolish the current stadium if that happens and have transit-oriented development there instead? Surely that would increase ridership? I also feel like the Waterfront Line NEEDS that through service to the Green and Blue Lines back. If you are going from the Flat’s East Bank or Settler’s Landing areas to somewhere else and there isn’t direct service you’ll probably just walk to Tower City Center rather than go to a light rail station and wait for a train that only goes to Tower City Center which is like a 10-15 minute walk away anyway. Here are the only things that i feel like the Waterfront Line could be useful outside of Cleveland Browns Stadium Gamedays: • If you want to park outside Downtown Cleveland and take the Light Rail the rest of the way instead of trying to locate a public parking spot in the Downtown. • If you are going to one of the tourist destinations in the North Coast Harbour Area. • If you’re going somewhere that’s so much closer to the Settlers Landing, Flats East Bank or North Coast station that it actually makes sense to take the Light Rail instead of just walking.
Would ABSOLUTELY LOVE it if they would at least run service Friday thru Sunday. Could park miles from downtown for free to have access to the Rock & Roll HOF plus The Flatts. 👍🏼
Also it’s only running on browns home game days because the bridge isn’t 100% fixed. Cleveland RTA says the line should be fully operational spring or summer 2024
They actually removed the fully operational blurb from their website. It's doubtful the Waterfront Line will veer go back to full-time due to low ridership. They could run it on weekends but it's likely to stay Browns ONLY until the Browns decide if they're building a stadium in Brookpark or not (leaving Downtown). And RTA ordered the new Red Line trains for arrival in 2026. Which rumor is the Red Line will have to be shut for long extended periods to get the platforms and lines ready. Platforms need extended on both sides by almost 2 feet and there is a voltage issue with the overheads. There is an option for new Blue/Green Line trains but I've heard from people that both lines would need rebuilt in order to support new trains. The former CEO Calabrese didn't care about the rail and left it in disrepair. He was all about cuts, went from 2 train garages to one and 5 bus garages to 2, plus cut so much service.
The Waterfront Line will likely never return to full-time service due to low ridership. Good news is the Red Line is getting new trains in 2 years time (They are ordered), bad news is I've heard rumors it may have to shut for long extended periods in order to prepare the platforms (platforms need extending 2 ft on each side) and tracks for the new trains (supposedly a voltage issue with the overheads also). More bad news is there is an option for more trains for the Blue/Green Lines but those lines need totally rebuilt before new trains would fit. Guess it's the beauty of the system being so old and not kept up with for so long. And the future of the Waterfront Line is even more in the air depending on what the Browns do. The Browns want a new stadium and is fighting for the city to pay part of it. But they recently bought land in Brookpark across from Brookpark Rapid behind the Ford plant. It's been known the Browns want a domed stadium and their lease at the current stadium is up in 2028.
Thank you for this video presentation, the port station would be useful for port employees if there was a daily service there. Hopefully there will be some day.
Cant believe you showed dublin's transit and called in britain 😭. Its really weird to have a line only open some days. It should be all week like a normal line. You cant complain about ridership when it's never open
Hi, what equipment/hardware do you use for all these videos? After watching many of your videos I'm interested in making my own videos for transit in Japan but I don't know the best way to go about recording so much footage!
highway/parking/small planes airport/ docks/interstate mean there is hardly any lakefront to access from downtown. I used to go Huntington Beach out in Bay Village. It would be good if red/blue/green lines could up reliability and speed.
Speaking of reopened lines, did you get out to Penn Station while it was re-opened as a terminus? "Travel at the station will cease on Monday, Oct. 9 through Monday, Oct. 23, according to PRT officials. During that time, the light rail will skip the Wood Street stop. In addition to closing Wood Street Station this month, PRT will also terminate inbound light rail service at Penn Station from 8 p.m. on Friday, Oct. 20 through Monday, Oct. 23."
He did a video on it a bit back. Though it doesn't go into any cool historical part of Penn Station, it's an abandoned T platform across the street, next to the East Busway entrance.
@@BrentFiore I'm aware, but while it's open occasionally for marathons and convention center events, last weekend they were apparently turning regular service trains there, maybe all regular service trains, due to closures at Wood Street. It'd be interesting to see what kind of frequency it was able to handle.
As an American, I find it laughable that it could ever be called that. My city has one train daily each to Washington, Chicago, and Philadelphia/New York, all leaving between 11 PM and 8 AM - and that's better than most of the country. Just because things get worse sometimes doesn't mean it's fair to call it a failure at all!
@stationshunter though I grew up in Philadelphia along the busy Amtrak northeast corridor and have OK septa service, I now run trains for metro north railroad in the NY metro area, Metro North and the sister railroad the Long Island Railroad are probably thr best that America has to offer and yet I think they pale in comparison to what I've seen and ridden in the UK
Cleaved has big plans to redevelop the area around the stadium, including making it much easier to traverse the bluff-rails-highway barrier between downtown and the shore. Perhaps this will pump more energy into the waterfront line.
The Flats area is named such because quite simply, that area is a floodplain compared to the rest of the city which is hilly. When settlers first came to Cleveland, they chose to live in the Flats, but its swampy feel caused so much illness that they chose to move to higher ground! And Cleveland became home to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame because of pledging $65 million in public money to fund it as well as making the point that Alan Freed, who once lived in Cleveland before his passing, heavily popularized rock and roll, and hosted the Moondog Coronation Ball in 1952 which is accepted as the first major rock and roll concert.
I have heard that this section has only 400 riders per day. RTA wanted to abandon it and it seems like they almost did
I would be surprised if this gets regular service ever again. Unless there is a lot of redevelopment perhaps.
@@BrentFiore All the parking lots there would provide opportunities for redevelopment, but there is a cultural aspect of "muni lot tailgating" for browns games.
Yup. But the Browns games get like 5-10k fans depending who they playing
@@BrentFiore they have plans to redevelop the area around the stadium and connected it via a land bridge to the rest of downtown.
I just love how the destination signs on the vehicles are just a line that shows what colored line you're on 💀The Detroit-Superior Bridge is similar in design to the Sydney Harbour Bridge! Of course the Sydney Harbour Bridge is more iconic, newer, and bigger as it opened in 1932 and took over eight years to build a 3,770-foot-long bridge, but it opened with tram tracks just like Cleveland! They didn't build a lower deck for trams like Cleveland did however, but rather it ran right next to cars. Tram service across the bridge ended in 1958 and the tracks they had used were removed and replaced by two extra road lanes which are the leftmost southbound lanes. But that's not all as it also opened for trains!
The first test train, a steam locomotive, safely crossed the Sydney Harbour Bridge in January 1932. The bridge lies between Milsons Point and Wynyard railway stations, located on the north and south shores respectively, with two tracks running along the western side of the bridge. These tracks are part of the North Shore railway line, and the trains still run on the bridge today! In 2010, the average daily traffic included 204 trains
This line actually has a lot of potential. There have been talks about extending the waterfront line from south harbor up to E 18th St where it would run as a streetcar until it meets back up with the red/green/blue lines by the cuyahoga river, forming a downtown loop.
I never understand why us cities build lots of transit, just to barely operate or completely abandon it.
They built it usually with relatively good intentions, trying to lower car traffic, increase mobility for people without cars, ect. They abandon it because it often ends up poorly planned, poorly executed, and poorly maintained, largely because governments don't want to invest funds that could go to car centric infrastructure. I mean for example if a train has to stop at every light and often travels slower than a car, unless you happen to live in the perfect spot and are willing to waste time, why would you ever take the train? But if a train could bypass all lights and get consequently get to a destination faster than cars, well now there is a good incentive. Too bad so many US city metros are ground level having to stop at red lights and are slower than cars.
Fun fact: When the RTA runs two car light rail trains, another operator must sit in the other train and open the doors.
Two car trains are rare. Only seen for a few reasons. Big events downtown where both cars are open to passengers. A train breaks down & is towed back to East 55th rapid station(main train yard) Or in the winter for traction.
Great video, glad to see the attention to CLE
The vehicles used on the light rail are look so interesting. Love the skit at the end, too!
I believe they're set to be replaced along with the red line fleet with new Siemens S200 LRVs
They were built by Breda Costruzioni Ferroviarie (now Hitachi Rail Italy) back between 1980 and 1981 and will be replaced with Siemens S200s!
For a brief time, you would be able to see them running alongside PCCs with the same old RTA livery!
If the Cleveland Browns want a new stadium, why not demolish the current stadium if that happens and have transit-oriented development there instead? Surely that would increase ridership? I also feel like the Waterfront Line NEEDS that through service to the Green and Blue Lines back. If you are going from the Flat’s East Bank or Settler’s Landing areas to somewhere else and there isn’t direct service you’ll probably just walk to Tower City Center rather than go to a light rail station and wait for a train that only goes to Tower City Center which is like a 10-15 minute walk away anyway.
Here are the only things that i feel like the Waterfront Line could be useful outside of Cleveland Browns Stadium Gamedays:
• If you want to park outside Downtown Cleveland and take the Light Rail the rest of the way instead of trying to locate a public parking spot in the Downtown.
• If you are going to one of the tourist destinations in the North Coast Harbour Area.
• If you’re going somewhere that’s so much closer to the Settlers Landing, Flats East Bank or North Coast station that it actually makes sense to take the Light Rail instead of just walking.
Did you know the Cleveland aquarium powerhouse once powered the street railway?
Would ABSOLUTELY LOVE it if they would at least run service Friday thru Sunday. Could park miles from downtown for free to have access to the Rock & Roll HOF plus The Flatts. 👍🏼
Also it’s only running on browns home game days because the bridge isn’t 100% fixed. Cleveland RTA says the line should be fully operational spring or summer 2024
They actually removed the fully operational blurb from their website. It's doubtful the Waterfront Line will veer go back to full-time due to low ridership. They could run it on weekends but it's likely to stay Browns ONLY until the Browns decide if they're building a stadium in Brookpark or not (leaving Downtown). And RTA ordered the new Red Line trains for arrival in 2026. Which rumor is the Red Line will have to be shut for long extended periods to get the platforms and lines ready. Platforms need extended on both sides by almost 2 feet and there is a voltage issue with the overheads. There is an option for new Blue/Green Line trains but I've heard from people that both lines would need rebuilt in order to support new trains. The former CEO Calabrese didn't care about the rail and left it in disrepair. He was all about cuts, went from 2 train garages to one and 5 bus garages to 2, plus cut so much service.
The Waterfront Line will likely never return to full-time service due to low ridership. Good news is the Red Line is getting new trains in 2 years time (They are ordered), bad news is I've heard rumors it may have to shut for long extended periods in order to prepare the platforms (platforms need extending 2 ft on each side) and tracks for the new trains (supposedly a voltage issue with the overheads also). More bad news is there is an option for more trains for the Blue/Green Lines but those lines need totally rebuilt before new trains would fit. Guess it's the beauty of the system being so old and not kept up with for so long.
And the future of the Waterfront Line is even more in the air depending on what the Browns do. The Browns want a new stadium and is fighting for the city to pay part of it. But they recently bought land in Brookpark across from Brookpark Rapid behind the Ford plant. It's been known the Browns want a domed stadium and their lease at the current stadium is up in 2028.
The browns vs the old browns
The one time I visited Cleveland, I used the Waterfront line to visit the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame
Haha, yeah those big parking lots on the waterfront are empty fairly often but when they get used, THEY REALLY GET USED.
I recommend taking the blue line to the Van Aken District in Shaker it’s very nice
Thank you for this video presentation, the port station would be useful for port employees if there was a daily service there. Hopefully there will be some day.
Rail transit for sports is a good way to bridge the partisan gap on urbanism.
Cant believe you showed dublin's transit and called in britain 😭. Its really weird to have a line only open some days. It should be all week like a normal line. You cant complain about ridership when it's never open
Whoops 😬 should have been "Britain and Vicinity" as I do plan to visit Ireland and the Isle of Man
your going to Newhaven lol At least you get an accurate depiction of the UK
Good Mike Polk reference
Go Browns
24 hour waterfront service 202?
Ah but if you don't bother to pause your anime to make a phone call, does your opinion even count?
Leave me alone.
Did said Cleveland video ever come out?
Next month!
Hi, what equipment/hardware do you use for all these videos? After watching many of your videos I'm interested in making my own videos for transit in Japan but I don't know the best way to go about recording so much footage!
I believe now it's completely back, I'm probably going back sometime next month so I'll check
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highway/parking/small planes airport/ docks/interstate mean there is hardly any lakefront to access from downtown. I used to go Huntington Beach out in Bay Village.
It would be good if red/blue/green lines could up reliability and speed.
That is too relatable... I have so much footage from the NYC Transit Museum I have yet to use... I went there in July
So, is Whale Workshop every 2nd Thursday of the month?
Need to move back to terminal towe
Have seen the street car In the bridge
Please tell me that's your everyday ringtone and wasn't just used for the end skit 🤞
Bro my phone is usually on silent 😂
Speaking of reopened lines, did you get out to Penn Station while it was re-opened as a terminus?
"Travel at the station will cease on Monday, Oct. 9 through Monday, Oct. 23, according to PRT officials. During that time, the light rail will skip the Wood Street stop.
In addition to closing Wood Street Station this month, PRT will also terminate inbound light rail service at Penn Station from 8 p.m. on Friday, Oct. 20 through Monday, Oct. 23."
He did a video on it a bit back. Though it doesn't go into any cool historical part of Penn Station, it's an abandoned T platform across the street, next to the East Busway entrance.
@@BrentFiore I'm aware, but while it's open occasionally for marathons and convention center events, last weekend they were apparently turning regular service trains there, maybe all regular service trains, due to closures at Wood Street. It'd be interesting to see what kind of frequency it was able to handle.
Great Video😊
Awesome work!
Yeahhhhh
Britain's rail is robust but sometimes you could say it's a complete an utter failure
As an American, I find it laughable that it could ever be called that. My city has one train daily each to Washington, Chicago, and Philadelphia/New York, all leaving between 11 PM and 8 AM - and that's better than most of the country. Just because things get worse sometimes doesn't mean it's fair to call it a failure at all!
Just look at transpennine express Performance record.
@stationshunter though I grew up in Philadelphia along the busy Amtrak northeast corridor and have OK septa service, I now run trains for metro north railroad in the NY metro area, Metro North and the sister railroad the Long Island Railroad are probably thr best that America has to offer and yet I think they pale in comparison to what I've seen and ridden in the UK