Q: Is this just your previous Pikmin Versus videos compiled into one? A: 90%? Every segment has new edits, information, and corrections to a few mistakes. Basically this is the intended way to watch this series of videos.
I miss your editing from older videos since I loved watching "top 20 pokemon that shouldn't exist" and "top 20 worst kirby power ups". Your more current videos just doesn't have the same flare.
@@antonissa8345 You know the whole "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all" saying? While I don't always 100% agree with said saying, I think it fits pretty well here. Nothing was really prompting you to say this, nothing in the world will improve by you saying this, really all you did is insult someone's work for no real reason. Maybe don't leave comments like this in the future?
One note: the issue of not being able to throw pikmin while going up a slope in 3 is actually because the pikmin are too far away from your captain for them to reach
>gives the answer to the title in the first 5 seconds of the video. >1 hour explaining your point. Subscribed. Thats how you fucking do videos. Now I'm fucking invested. LETS. FUCKING. GO.
Yeah it kinda sucks lol. I hate when game companies backtrack with awesome concepts instead of building on them, especially in more obscure/niche franchises like pikmin
Maybe they thought if they released Pikmin 3 Deluxe people would have Bingo Battles there, but that's still an excuse for either laziness or time mismanagment.
@dean9472 Wait a second, modded or actual 4s Dandori mode? Oh, nevermind, I misunderstood that. What you meant is that the Devs practiced poor Dandori for this 4th game, not that the game had a four way fight mode.
I’d argue for Need For Speed Hot Pursuit, it’s REALLY fun playing with friends. (It’s cops vs robbers but both sides have gadgets, they share spike strips and e.m.p.’s but the other two gadgets are team specific)
I got my girlfriend into Pikmin through the vs mode and the missions in pikmin 3. She was more excited for Pikmin 4 than I was and got so disappointed by dandori battles that she refused to play anything else of the game. She enjoyed the vs mode in 2 but said that it didn't feel as fleshed out and as good as bingo battle.
I remember choosing that map in Pikmin 2 with the bomb rocks on it all the time as a kid. I found out that you could actually activate the bomb by punching it, picking it up, then running with an active bomb in your hands straight into the enemy. I got so many wins via Pikmin Extinction that way.
Nobody remembers the pikmin 1 battle mode (which makes sense because it’s unlocked through a secret button combo you only see in the credits), it’s olimar vs fiddlebert, Olimar has reds and fiddlebert has the battle exclusive green pikmin (in code a carbon copy of reds). There’s about 5 maps which for the short dev time of pikmin 1 is a lot (even if they’re just remixes versions of the 5 in game maps), for perspective the resources put into this hidden sub-mode that maybe like 5 people even knew existed before it became more well-known from the internet would’ve been enough to make a whole new area as big as forest of hope or forest navel. For those who haven’t played it I recommend it if you can get someone to play it with you, it doesn’t hold up incredibly well and there aren’t any power ups or anything but it makes for a funny play session.
If I remember correctly, back when me and my cousin used to play Bingo Battle at like 14 years old we had a Gentleman's Rule where if you were going to use the Rock item, you had to loudly do a 3 or 5 second countdown to give your opponent time to react (can't remember exactly how long the countdown was) I don't think it necessarily fixed the problem but it did result in some fun counterplay.
Some notes on Pikmin 3's Bingo Battle that might improve your enjoyment with it, as written by the asshole who wrote the Pikipedia strategy section on it: -The game unequivocally encourages screen-peeking. The game is at its most enjoyable when players are able to know exactly what is going on with their opponent; hence the really pronounced SFX for things like cherry roulettes and item triggering. This is slightly more clear if you play the game with the originally intended Wii U gamepad and dual Wii remote setup. This is also a major shortcoming of Pikmin 3 Deluxe, since its map blocks your screen but leaves your opponent's screen clear. -A lot of the items make more sense with the context of screen peeking. For a start, lightning is actually quite useful in disabling your opponent while they're engaging enemies. It also has some use in triggering opponent bomb rocks (although keep in mind that electrocuted Pikmin are unaffected by explosions due to what I can only assume is a programming error that doesn't allow status conditions to overlap). -The boulder storm is a pressure item, and you're supposed to keep an eye on your friend's roulette to notice when it's being readied. There is no way to avoid it consistently due to its massive spawn radius around the player and speed, as you demonstrated. There are, however, ways to be clever about it. Standing near enemies when it's used against you can result in some easy kills, and standing near any raised objects can potentially offer protection. The reason it's a pressure item is because it effectively prevents you from starting any new tasks that require large groups of Pikmin to be carried around. The major disadvantage for your opponent, however, is that they can only keep the pressure on you so long as they DON'T use the item; preventing them from getting items that may benefit them. If you're clever, it can actually allow you to put pressure on your opponent, by restricting opportunities where they would want to let it go to waste or give you an advantage. -Pikmin brawls are, unlike in Pikmin 2, greatly discouraged. They are messy and hard to control; and effectively only good for biding time. Since Pikmin respawn after being killed in brawls, they are also heavily weighted in favour of the player whose Onion is closest to the fight. This is intended game design; you're supposed to fight as an absolute last resort. Battles are weighed heavily in favour of the defender, not the aggressor; sometimes regardless of how large their armies are compared to each other. This is a big change from Marble Battle, but it is part of Bingo Battle's greater encouragement of planning and strategy over brute strength (Marble Battle's major weakness, in my eye). Additionally, Pikmin are actually quite simple to control in fights since they act by very simple rules. They will prioritise brawling over items or enemies, and will thus always attack other Pikmin when thrown. When CHARGED, however, they prioritise the item being focused on. The reason they may still end up in brawls after this fact is as a result of Pikmin attacking THEM, instead. I'll also note that Ultra-Spicy spray does actually improve the chances of winning brawls, but maturity doesn't. -The stages are a lot more balanced than it seems. My Bingo Battle buddy and myself are still constantly not sure if the fortress or the floor is the better location to spawn in. The fortress essentially gives you full access to most treasures from the start, and a significant amount of control over the map. The disadvantage of actually carrying items back to base being a nightmare is the major hurdle, but luck and good strategy can assure a lot of consistent wins. Rusted Labyrinth also isn't entirely broken due to the fact that the lower player can still gain access to the upper floor, but it's not quite as balanced regardless. In all my time playing, I never found that any of the maps present a significant advantage to one player that the other doesn't have. That's just me, though. -This is sort of a personal opinion, but I see Deluxe as a pretty major downgrade in a lot of ways. Even beyond the somewhat confusingly designed map display, it's just very obvious that the game wasn't designed to be played in this state. The controls are clumsy and confusing, there are FAR more bugs for some reason, and the changes to things like charging can severely affect the complex balance that items have, as well as the nature of brawling with other Pikmin entirely. -Buried Pond sucks.
The castle style maps definitely give a big advantage to the person on the bottom (outside the castle) across pikmin 3 and 4. I have several hundred hours logged on pikmin 3 and the person on top of the castle in that game sometimes just has no chance of winning. We just don't even play on it anymore since it's not fun for either player. In pikmin 4 the maps are smaller so it's a smaller advantage to be on the bottom, but there's also multiple maps like that so overall the balance is still bad.
Great review, you hit all the important points. This is the first time I've seen a review of pikmin by someone who has actually played the battle mode enough to understand the strategies and balance.
I think you could have been harsher on the controls in pikmin 4. It's so hard to do what you want to do in pikmin 4. Losing the wii/wii u pointer controls is already a huge downgrade, but the buttons don't do what you want either lol. It's like the game has already decided how it will be played and you just have to deal with it
You know, i was just about to binge all of your pikmin battle mode videos back to back, but i guess if there's a definitive version, then i'll just watch this 3 times instead. Sounds reasonable.
Bingo Battle is Peak! P2 2 Player Battle holds up Surpringsly well & Dandori Battle whilst not being anywhere as good as the other two, still can be a decent time.
I'm surprised you didn't point out how cheap it is to just take the pre-existing battle mode from Pikmin 4's story and just make it the only option for VS, when the bingo battle is a completely new, fully fleshed game mode built from the ground up for VS.
When my friend and I play, we just tell each other when we have a boulder and they drop their Pikmin and move away. Making them stop what they are doing and wander in a direction for a few seconds, maybe have their captain take damage, and move back to what they are doing, seems like a fair enough item usage so it's not like it's completely wasted, but not also too broken.
What makes Pikmin 4's lacking Bingo Battle even MORE atrocious is the fact that its _part of the main story._ That means they put more effort into Pikmin 3's bonus side mode than they did an integral part of Pikmin 4's story mode.
I think Battle Mode being part of Pikmin 4’s story is PRECISELY the reason why it’s so stripped down. Like everything else in the game they had to oversimplify the gameplay in order to cater to newcomers and not confuse them too much. Still doesn’t excuse the lack of effort in the maps though.
Every time I've played this (which is quite a lot with 5-6 different people) we always truce the rock item, and either give a warning we will use it in 2-3 seconds, intentionally only use it when the other player has 10 or fewer pikmin nearby, or sometimes say the rock means you can no longer use cherry items and have it as a hindrance. I don't know anyone who thinks it's ok to just use it and let it carry out carnage on the other player cause we all think it's not fun to just upset the game that much.
I genuinely love listening to this guy talk about Pikmin, a series where he talks about the games for about an hour each would be legitimately awesome :)
My memories of versus mode consist of convincing my friend to play one round, having a ton of fun, and then stopping right after cause he got bored. I still love this mode in all the games but where the hell are you gonna find another person who likes Pikmin?
i do appreciate how at least we have 3 very different vs experiences, rather than just 1 formula nintendo keeps reusuing. It helps make each game feel different, and it's why I like each vs mode for different reasons rather than having one clear favorite.
How about Pikmin 3's Bingo Battle with the map design philosophy of Pikmin 2 using themes from the story mode of Pikmin 4 with Pikmin 4's item competition (without the permanent laying down when knocked off part, obviously) and sneak bomb that causes half of your opponent's bingo entries to be ejected from their onion for you to collect?
when i was playing bongo battle with my family we had a rule where we would announce when we were using the rockfall powerup. it didn't actually help that much.
I think Pikmin 4’s battle mode has a place in the series as a quick rapid fire multiplayer mode that focuses more on moment-to-moment action. But as a follow-up to Pikmin 3’s battle mode it’s atrocious. Funnily enough, fans said the same thing about Pikmin 3’s *story mode* in comparison to Pikmin 2’s when Pikmin 3 first released. It feels like the team focuses on different aspects with each entry (caves and combat in pikmin 2, mission mode and bingo battle in pikmin 3, story mode in pikmin 4) and that makes the series that much more unique and special.
the way that you described the 2p battles is exactly how I feel about the games themselves with 2 being my favorite 3 being probably the best and 4 being so close to being perfect that is upsets me. I wish there was a way to turn off some of the really annoying things that are in 4
Rrgarding the name of Leafy Showdown, its called that because all these stages are just literally the Dandori Battles from story mode in a multiplayer format. Leafy Showdown is called that because this is the final showdown between yourself and Leafy Olimar in the story mode.
Pikmin 2 & 3: Makes amazing battle mode but barely acknowledges its existence Pikmin 4: Makes mediocre battle mode and spends the whole story promoting it
32:55 that’s actually 34 frames if you do the math which is still insane. Edit: also me and my little cousin played pikmin 3 battle mode a lot to the point that he got better at playing pikmin and even beating me at a first to 10 once. At first I would always win and the score would be 10-3 but over time we had pretty close games like 10-5, 10-7 and even 10-9. Then finally he was a game off of me 9-10. He only did that 3 times out of that whole year we played with the second time being 8-10 and the third being 7-10. He would never beat me by a lot but I was still impressed.
I think the answer is that multiplayer is not the core of Pikmin. Of course, the battle modes made the games more robust in what they could offer to players. But it is not the thesis of Pikmin, like it is for Super Smash Bros., Mario Kart and Splatoon. Still, I would love to see an attempt at a versus mode that has almost as much billing as the story, because as an RTS there is so much possibility for a good competitive game.
Hi silowhawk, I know this is kind've unrelated, but I remember you mentioning that you were gonna make a Pikmin 4 review. Do you still plan on doing that or nope?
pikmin 3 multiplayer is kinda like troll face simulator. me or my sister begging eachother not to use the boulder item and then using it was the funniest thing at the time
Man I so wish i could find more people playing bingo battle. Its such a great game and i can only find like 3-4 UA-camrs who played it and only did lke 1 rounds most of the time which i understand but i love to see the caos
with the blue bois in vs battle having a higher attack strength, if they were to have this 1.5x damage boost in the base game in pikmin 2 onwards, how drastically would the tier list change? Also great vid, here’s to hoping for pikmin 5 before the heat death of the universe
You oughta do a vid on mario wonder cause despite what it looks like its functionally nsmb 6 so im curious how you think it fares compared to the rest of the series
Pikmin 4 multiplayer in general is just disappointing. First off, there’s no second captain. You can’t use another custom character, you can’t use olimar.. nothing. Basically removing the element of multitasking. Then, even after that.. they give you the dog, which is more like playing as a Pikmin than a captain.. and it’s a heavy afterthought. And even after that, the second player in the story mode doesn’t control the dog.. IT CONTROLS A ROCK THROWER.. literally, it’s just “little brother mode”.. since all you can do.. is throw a tiny pebble that does 2 damage. And that’s not even starting, on Dandori.
Why does someone leave this comment on every video nowadays. Think of a new joke for once instead of recycling things just because you saw someone else say it
i want to be a femboy. i wish i woke up in the arms of my husband as i nuzzle deeply into his chest, feeling his soft breathing brush against my hair and hearing the gentle heartbeat within his chest. then when we both wake up, we could both eat breakfast together, talking about all the things we enjoy, like pikmin 3's bingo battle, or the latest video that silk hawk uploaded. then my husband takes me to the gym and we workout together. we occasionally steal glances, seeing each others progress. the sweat glistening on his body is what comforts me the most, and i know he would be able to protect me from any and all dangers. i want to be as strong as him someday so i could do the same as well. after that, we have dinner at a fancy restaurant. maybe he teases me a little there, i'm not exactly known for being high browed. in fact, i'm quite crude occasionally. once the night falls and we're both exhausted, my husband would carry me to the bed, then he would pull me close. after a long day, it felt nice to finally be enveloped by the familiar warmth of my husband's embrace. 'tomorrow, we'll do it again.' i'd think to myself, before finally falling into a deep sleep in the silent night. the last thing i heard before succumbing to sleep was my husband's gentle voice. "good night."
I don't care about VS anything. Competitive multiplayer has always just felt like a fun thing to do once maybe and then never again because win or lose it's just the same thing again.
I didn't realize how many problems Pikmin 4's versus mode had. I've never had anyone to play Pikmin with, so Pikmin 4 was the first time I could actually play a battle mode since it has CPU opponents. I thought it was fun, but I didn't have anything else to compare it to. Still wish that 3 had online Bingo Battle.
My opinion on the versus modes are that. Pikmin 2's is the most nostalgic, As thats the one I played over and over again with friends. Pikmin 3's is the most thought out and well designed. The bingo mechanic was a fun way to give incentive to go for specific things instead of just stretching your forces too thin going around grabbing everything, but also to go after especially specific things to stop your opponent from finishing a line they're working on. While still keeping the victory macaroon/marble from pikmin 2 as an alternative option. And Pikmin 4's is probably the most integrated with the rest of the game, with the actual story mode making use of the dandori battles and in a sense preparing you to face off against your friends.
31:14 we were playing on that one gutter map, one of my friends had 9ish bomb rocks. I had a boulder drop ready. Let’s just say he hasn’t recovered from the explosion since.
Seriously man... They BUTCHERED the Switch port for Pikmin 2. Over-sanitizing everything and removing any mildly "offensive" jokes, removing the weed plant, prioritizing the camera over swarming, and REMOVING all of the versus mode layouts? This is ridiculous! :(
Q: Is this just your previous Pikmin Versus videos compiled into one?
A: 90%? Every segment has new edits, information, and corrections to a few mistakes. Basically this is the intended way to watch this series of videos.
I miss your editing from older videos since I loved watching "top 20 pokemon that shouldn't exist" and "top 20 worst kirby power ups". Your more current videos just doesn't have the same flare.
What’s the best pikmin versus remastered deluxe featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry series & Knuckles Day 1 edition, pre order edition
@@ciancaldera395no new funky mode?
@@antonissa8345 You know the whole "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all" saying? While I don't always 100% agree with said saying, I think it fits pretty well here. Nothing was really prompting you to say this, nothing in the world will improve by you saying this, really all you did is insult someone's work for no real reason. Maybe don't leave comments like this in the future?
One note: the issue of not being able to throw pikmin while going up a slope in 3 is actually because the pikmin are too far away from your captain for them to reach
>gives the answer to the title in the first 5 seconds of the video.
>1 hour explaining your point.
Subscribed. Thats how you fucking do videos. Now I'm fucking invested. LETS. FUCKING. GO.
Why did Nintendo not expand on Pikmin 3's bingo battle in 4. Instead we got diet challenge mode
Yeah it kinda sucks lol. I hate when game companies backtrack with awesome concepts instead of building on them, especially in more obscure/niche franchises like pikmin
Maybe they thought if they released Pikmin 3 Deluxe people would have Bingo Battles there, but that's still an excuse for either laziness or time mismanagment.
@@StoryTeller796 the irony that the devs poor dandori lead to 4s dandori mode.
@dean9472 Wait a second, modded or actual 4s Dandori mode?
Oh, nevermind, I misunderstood that. What you meant is that the Devs practiced poor Dandori for this 4th game, not that the game had a four way fight mode.
@@Joosher56sonic fans: "first time?"
Gran Turismo 4, done saved you a hour
Ah yes, Gran Turismo 4. The peak of the Pikmin series.
I’d argue for Need For Speed Hot Pursuit, it’s REALLY fun playing with friends.
(It’s cops vs robbers but both sides have gadgets, they share spike strips and e.m.p.’s but the other two gadgets are team specific)
@@ciancaldera395 Ah, I love cops vs robbers in my Pikmin Multiplayer.
...wait shit that actually sounds like a fun idea.
Ur wrong its kindom battle
I love playing Gran Turismo 4
I got my girlfriend into Pikmin through the vs mode and the missions in pikmin 3. She was more excited for Pikmin 4 than I was and got so disappointed by dandori battles that she refused to play anything else of the game. She enjoyed the vs mode in 2 but said that it didn't feel as fleshed out and as good as bingo battle.
I remember choosing that map in Pikmin 2 with the bomb rocks on it all the time as a kid. I found out that you could actually activate the bomb by punching it, picking it up, then running with an active bomb in your hands straight into the enemy. I got so many wins via Pikmin Extinction that way.
Kamikaze Olimar strats sound so funny that is amazing
Nobody remembers the pikmin 1 battle mode (which makes sense because it’s unlocked through a secret button combo you only see in the credits), it’s olimar vs fiddlebert, Olimar has reds and fiddlebert has the battle exclusive green pikmin (in code a carbon copy of reds).
There’s about 5 maps which for the short dev time of pikmin 1 is a lot (even if they’re just remixes versions of the 5 in game maps), for perspective the resources put into this hidden sub-mode that maybe like 5 people even knew existed before it became more well-known from the internet would’ve been enough to make a whole new area as big as forest of hope or forest navel.
For those who haven’t played it I recommend it if you can get someone to play it with you, it doesn’t hold up incredibly well and there aren’t any power ups or anything but it makes for a funny play session.
I guess you could say its
LOST MEDIA
@@ultimate8125 maltigi reference
Dammit, you got me.
If I remember correctly, back when me and my cousin used to play Bingo Battle at like 14 years old we had a Gentleman's Rule where if you were going to use the Rock item, you had to loudly do a 3 or 5 second countdown to give your opponent time to react (can't remember exactly how long the countdown was)
I don't think it necessarily fixed the problem but it did result in some fun counterplay.
Some notes on Pikmin 3's Bingo Battle that might improve your enjoyment with it, as written by the asshole who wrote the Pikipedia strategy section on it:
-The game unequivocally encourages screen-peeking. The game is at its most enjoyable when players are able to know exactly what is going on with their opponent; hence the really pronounced SFX for things like cherry roulettes and item triggering. This is slightly more clear if you play the game with the originally intended Wii U gamepad and dual Wii remote setup. This is also a major shortcoming of Pikmin 3 Deluxe, since its map blocks your screen but leaves your opponent's screen clear.
-A lot of the items make more sense with the context of screen peeking. For a start, lightning is actually quite useful in disabling your opponent while they're engaging enemies. It also has some use in triggering opponent bomb rocks (although keep in mind that electrocuted Pikmin are unaffected by explosions due to what I can only assume is a programming error that doesn't allow status conditions to overlap).
-The boulder storm is a pressure item, and you're supposed to keep an eye on your friend's roulette to notice when it's being readied. There is no way to avoid it consistently due to its massive spawn radius around the player and speed, as you demonstrated. There are, however, ways to be clever about it. Standing near enemies when it's used against you can result in some easy kills, and standing near any raised objects can potentially offer protection. The reason it's a pressure item is because it effectively prevents you from starting any new tasks that require large groups of Pikmin to be carried around. The major disadvantage for your opponent, however, is that they can only keep the pressure on you so long as they DON'T use the item; preventing them from getting items that may benefit them. If you're clever, it can actually allow you to put pressure on your opponent, by restricting opportunities where they would want to let it go to waste or give you an advantage.
-Pikmin brawls are, unlike in Pikmin 2, greatly discouraged. They are messy and hard to control; and effectively only good for biding time. Since Pikmin respawn after being killed in brawls, they are also heavily weighted in favour of the player whose Onion is closest to the fight. This is intended game design; you're supposed to fight as an absolute last resort. Battles are weighed heavily in favour of the defender, not the aggressor; sometimes regardless of how large their armies are compared to each other. This is a big change from Marble Battle, but it is part of Bingo Battle's greater encouragement of planning and strategy over brute strength (Marble Battle's major weakness, in my eye). Additionally, Pikmin are actually quite simple to control in fights since they act by very simple rules. They will prioritise brawling over items or enemies, and will thus always attack other Pikmin when thrown. When CHARGED, however, they prioritise the item being focused on. The reason they may still end up in brawls after this fact is as a result of Pikmin attacking THEM, instead. I'll also note that Ultra-Spicy spray does actually improve the chances of winning brawls, but maturity doesn't.
-The stages are a lot more balanced than it seems. My Bingo Battle buddy and myself are still constantly not sure if the fortress or the floor is the better location to spawn in. The fortress essentially gives you full access to most treasures from the start, and a significant amount of control over the map. The disadvantage of actually carrying items back to base being a nightmare is the major hurdle, but luck and good strategy can assure a lot of consistent wins. Rusted Labyrinth also isn't entirely broken due to the fact that the lower player can still gain access to the upper floor, but it's not quite as balanced regardless. In all my time playing, I never found that any of the maps present a significant advantage to one player that the other doesn't have. That's just me, though.
-This is sort of a personal opinion, but I see Deluxe as a pretty major downgrade in a lot of ways. Even beyond the somewhat confusingly designed map display, it's just very obvious that the game wasn't designed to be played in this state. The controls are clumsy and confusing, there are FAR more bugs for some reason, and the changes to things like charging can severely affect the complex balance that items have, as well as the nature of brawling with other Pikmin entirely.
-Buried Pond sucks.
The castle style maps definitely give a big advantage to the person on the bottom (outside the castle) across pikmin 3 and 4. I have several hundred hours logged on pikmin 3 and the person on top of the castle in that game sometimes just has no chance of winning. We just don't even play on it anymore since it's not fun for either player. In pikmin 4 the maps are smaller so it's a smaller advantage to be on the bottom, but there's also multiple maps like that so overall the balance is still bad.
Finally, a new video to rewatch endlessly, instead of jumping between the 3 separate ones
Great review, you hit all the important points. This is the first time I've seen a review of pikmin by someone who has actually played the battle mode enough to understand the strategies and balance.
I think you could have been harsher on the controls in pikmin 4. It's so hard to do what you want to do in pikmin 4. Losing the wii/wii u pointer controls is already a huge downgrade, but the buttons don't do what you want either lol. It's like the game has already decided how it will be played and you just have to deal with it
You know, i was just about to binge all of your pikmin battle mode videos back to back, but i guess if there's a definitive version, then i'll just watch this 3 times instead. Sounds reasonable.
Bingo Battle is Peak! P2 2 Player Battle holds up Surpringsly well & Dandori Battle whilst not being anywhere as good as the other two, still can be a decent time.
I honestly like the 2 battle mode the most
But we can all agree dandori battle is the worst one
59:00 Also, I would like to note that "Pik" is LITERALLY IN THE TITLE! You'd expect plucking Pikmin to be more integrated into the game.
I'm surprised you didn't point out how cheap it is to just take the pre-existing battle mode from Pikmin 4's story and just make it the only option for VS, when the bingo battle is a completely new, fully fleshed game mode built from the ground up for VS.
When my friend and I play, we just tell each other when we have a boulder and they drop their Pikmin and move away. Making them stop what they are doing and wander in a direction for a few seconds, maybe have their captain take damage, and move back to what they are doing, seems like a fair enough item usage so it's not like it's completely wasted, but not also too broken.
Thank you 🙏🏻
I was yelling "just leave the Pikmen and run away!!!!"
What makes Pikmin 4's lacking Bingo Battle even MORE atrocious is the fact that its _part of the main story._ That means they put more effort into Pikmin 3's bonus side mode than they did an integral part of Pikmin 4's story mode.
I think Battle Mode being part of Pikmin 4’s story is PRECISELY the reason why it’s so stripped down. Like everything else in the game they had to oversimplify the gameplay in order to cater to newcomers and not confuse them too much. Still doesn’t excuse the lack of effort in the maps though.
Every time I've played this (which is quite a lot with 5-6 different people) we always truce the rock item, and either give a warning we will use it in 2-3 seconds, intentionally only use it when the other player has 10 or fewer pikmin nearby, or sometimes say the rock means you can no longer use cherry items and have it as a hindrance. I don't know anyone who thinks it's ok to just use it and let it carry out carnage on the other player cause we all think it's not fun to just upset the game that much.
I genuinely love listening to this guy talk about Pikmin, a series where he talks about the games for about an hour each would be legitimately awesome :)
My memories of versus mode consist of convincing my friend to play one round, having a ton of fun, and then stopping right after cause he got bored. I still love this mode in all the games but where the hell are you gonna find another person who likes Pikmin?
I like how they saw how deadly the rocks were in Pikmin 2, and just said "okay lets make them even more deadly" for Pikmin 3.
I didn't even know pikmin had multiplayer outside of nintendo land
did you never touch bingo battle, pikmin 2 or dandori battle in the main menu?
i do appreciate how at least we have 3 very different vs experiences, rather than just 1 formula nintendo keeps reusuing. It helps make each game feel different, and it's why I like each vs mode for different reasons rather than having one clear favorite.
Any possibility of a Mario Kart Retrospective? I love just listening to your videos when I mow the lawn!
this kinda makes me wish someone tries to make a pikmin battle fangame combining the best elements of each mode
But which pikmin is the cutest?
imo yellows
Saying that Pikmin 4 has the worst one so you don't have to
Oh no.
Nah. At the very least 4 allows for more than just 1 type
How about Pikmin 3's Bingo Battle with the map design philosophy of Pikmin 2 using themes from the story mode of Pikmin 4 with Pikmin 4's item competition (without the permanent laying down when knocked off part, obviously) and sneak bomb that causes half of your opponent's bingo entries to be ejected from their onion for you to collect?
That’s a brilliant idea
when i was playing bongo battle with my family we had a rule where we would announce when we were using the rockfall powerup. it didn't actually help that much.
I think Pikmin 4’s battle mode has a place in the series as a quick rapid fire multiplayer mode that focuses more on moment-to-moment action. But as a follow-up to Pikmin 3’s battle mode it’s atrocious. Funnily enough, fans said the same thing about Pikmin 3’s *story mode* in comparison to Pikmin 2’s when Pikmin 3 first released. It feels like the team focuses on different aspects with each entry (caves and combat in pikmin 2, mission mode and bingo battle in pikmin 3, story mode in pikmin 4) and that makes the series that much more unique and special.
the way that you described the 2p battles is exactly how I feel about the games themselves with 2 being my favorite 3 being probably the best and 4 being so close to being perfect that is upsets me. I wish there was a way to turn off some of the really annoying things that are in 4
we already know its pikmin 3. nothing beats the bingo mode
Rrgarding the name of Leafy Showdown, its called that because all these stages are just literally the Dandori Battles from story mode in a multiplayer format. Leafy Showdown is called that because this is the final showdown between yourself and Leafy Olimar in the story mode.
Pikmin 2 & 3: Makes amazing battle mode but barely acknowledges its existence
Pikmin 4: Makes mediocre battle mode and spends the whole story promoting it
thats pikked up
I still have great memories playing bingo battle with my cousin during family gatherings, but that makes sense because it’s so dang fun!
The preface was exactly what i was thinking when i clicked the video lol
32:55 that’s actually 34 frames if you do the math which is still insane.
Edit: also me and my little cousin played pikmin 3 battle mode a lot to the point that he got better at playing pikmin and even beating me at a first to 10 once. At first I would always win and the score would be 10-3 but over time we had pretty close games like 10-5, 10-7 and even 10-9. Then finally he was a game off of me 9-10. He only did that 3 times out of that whole year we played with the second time being 8-10 and the third being 7-10. He would never beat me by a lot but I was still impressed.
I think the answer is that multiplayer is not the core of Pikmin. Of course, the battle modes made the games more robust in what they could offer to players. But it is not the thesis of Pikmin, like it is for Super Smash Bros., Mario Kart and Splatoon. Still, I would love to see an attempt at a versus mode that has almost as much billing as the story, because as an RTS there is so much possibility for a good competitive game.
i love all of these.
altough,
no one wants to play pikmin
I wish they kept the pikmin being able to fight each other
Hi silowhawk, I know this is kind've unrelated, but I remember you mentioning that you were gonna make a Pikmin 4 review. Do you still plan on doing that or nope?
pikmin 3 multiplayer is kinda like troll face simulator. me or my sister begging eachother not to use the boulder item and then using it was the funniest thing at the time
The best rock defense is to throw your Pikmin like a mad man all over the place
Pikmin versus modes are all great, even if some are better than others! I wish I had friends who also liked pikmin 😢
I would 100% play a dedicated Pikmin multiplayer game. Call it PIKMIN DANDORI BATTLE!
I thought this was a video ranking the Pikmin based on how good they are on the VS Mode, forgetting you already did that lol.
in bingo battle just go under the onion if you're close enough because it breaks the boulders
You can select stage variants on switch, its the dpad. which is also the handicap select
I really scream “ OMG I LOVE YOU “ as I saw the video’s title and thumbnail, what is my problem 💀💀
Really hate the Switch for making the worst titles in nearly every respective franchise become record-breaking best-sellers.
"im going to head to bed"
pikmin silokhawk video : wsp
I just loved collecting gold and killing bosses in Pikmin 3
Man I so wish i could find more people playing bingo battle. Its such a great game and i can only find like 3-4 UA-camrs who played it and only did lke 1 rounds most of the time which i understand but i love to see the caos
13:38 Pretty sure you can play the set levels by holding the D-pad in a direction on the Switch version, I tested this after seeing you say that
The D-Pad is what changes the handicap settings so stop yo lyin'
@@silokhawk You hold the button down after you press A to select the level, while the onions fly into the picture
Ok Dubble whistle is to prevent you from accidently just removing all your picmin when you didn't want to that's why I like it
Fun fact: in pikmin 4 dandori battle you can hit the opposing captain when thow pikmin at them
I'm hoping for bingo battle in the DLC when they add in challenge mode.
Tbh i think the biggest flaw of pikmin 3's pvp is lack of any sort of online play.
The answer is pikmin adventure's.
Me, I’m the best Pikmin battle mode.
with the blue bois in vs battle having a higher attack strength, if they were to have this 1.5x damage boost in the base game in pikmin 2 onwards, how drastically would the tier list change?
Also great vid, here’s to hoping for pikmin 5 before the heat death of the universe
not pikmin 4.
What I have learned is get 3 for 2 player and get 4 for single player
You oughta do a vid on mario wonder cause despite what it looks like its functionally nsmb 6 so im curious how you think it fares compared to the rest of the series
how is that
Throwing those Pikmin 3 cartridges was not necessary 😢😢😢
Can you do Mario Wonder next?
I LOVE PIKMIN!!!!!!
Are you still doing a full Pikmin 4 review?
1:17:31 r.i.p. all the pikmin
Interesting that the Pikmin Wiki section was taken out from the Pikmin 2 section. Was it taken out due to it being fixed after the video was made?
Pikmin 1 has the best vs mode
they just copied the dandori battle story mode formula into a multiplayer mode and expected it to work
it didn't
Pikmin 4 multiplayer in general is just disappointing.
First off, there’s no second captain. You can’t use another custom character, you can’t use olimar.. nothing. Basically removing the element of multitasking.
Then, even after that.. they give you the dog, which is more like playing as a Pikmin than a captain.. and it’s a heavy afterthought.
And even after that, the second player in the story mode doesn’t control the dog.. IT CONTROLS A ROCK THROWER.. literally, it’s just “little brother mode”.. since all you can do.. is throw a tiny pebble that does 2 damage.
And that’s not even starting, on Dandori.
i wish i could play these modes but nobody wants anything to do with me when it comes to multiplayer
:(
Same, and if with a stroke of luck someone does, they’re always too busy to do so
video idea: sonic all stars racing transformed for the Xbox 360
You called Olimar, Olimer, at the start of the Pikmin 2 section 💀
it’s 3
It’s 3
It's 3?
Its 2 but 3 is also epic
Do you like o or L
27:31 huh?
huh?
Pikmin 1.
Pikmin 4 is like Mario Kart Wii: its main mode is amazing but its side mode is mediocre asf
Pikmin 1?
hello silo
Pikmin 1, just saved you some time viewers.
Pikmin 4 multiplayer was so terrible
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Why does someone leave this comment on every video nowadays. Think of a new joke for once instead of recycling things just because you saw someone else say it
@@leftasright fair point however I don’t care
i want to be a femboy. i wish i woke up in the arms of my husband as i nuzzle deeply into his chest, feeling his soft breathing brush against my hair and hearing the gentle heartbeat within his chest. then when we both wake up, we could both eat breakfast together, talking about all the things we enjoy, like pikmin 3's bingo battle, or the latest video that silk hawk uploaded. then my husband takes me to the gym and we workout together. we occasionally steal glances, seeing each others progress. the sweat glistening on his body is what comforts me the most, and i know he would be able to protect me from any and all dangers. i want to be as strong as him someday so i could do the same as well. after that, we have dinner at a fancy restaurant. maybe he teases me a little there, i'm not exactly known for being high browed. in fact, i'm quite crude occasionally. once the night falls and we're both exhausted, my husband would carry me to the bed, then he would pull me close. after a long day, it felt nice to finally be enveloped by the familiar warmth of my husband's embrace. 'tomorrow, we'll do it again.' i'd think to myself, before finally falling into a deep sleep in the silent night. the last thing i heard before succumbing to sleep was my husband's gentle voice. "good night."
I don't care about VS anything. Competitive multiplayer has always just felt like a fun thing to do once maybe and then never again because win or lose it's just the same thing again.
Okay
i just dont have friends who like pikmin🥲
I’d definitely say Pikmin 3, not only bc of childhood nostalgia, but just how fun bingo battle is
Bro is just rubbing in how he has friends who like to play Pikmin! 😭😭😭
Yea I have no friends who plays pikmin and when I try to persuade them to try they say they don’t have a switch
Fr to 100% pikmin 3 i had to play bingo ALONE 😢
@@TEMTEMTEMTEMTEMTEMTEM Yeah, I unlocked all the maps too just by playing alone.
I didn't realize how many problems Pikmin 4's versus mode had. I've never had anyone to play Pikmin with, so Pikmin 4 was the first time I could actually play a battle mode since it has CPU opponents. I thought it was fun, but I didn't have anything else to compare it to. Still wish that 3 had online Bingo Battle.
The answer is Pikmin 2 4 player battle. One of the best mods for Pikmin.
My opinion on the versus modes are that.
Pikmin 2's is the most nostalgic, As thats the one I played over and over again with friends.
Pikmin 3's is the most thought out and well designed. The bingo mechanic was a fun way to give incentive to go for specific things instead of just stretching your forces too thin going around grabbing everything, but also to go after especially specific things to stop your opponent from finishing a line they're working on. While still keeping the victory macaroon/marble from pikmin 2 as an alternative option.
And Pikmin 4's is probably the most integrated with the rest of the game, with the actual story mode making use of the dandori battles and in a sense preparing you to face off against your friends.
31:14 we were playing on that one gutter map, one of my friends had 9ish bomb rocks. I had a boulder drop ready.
Let’s just say he hasn’t recovered from the explosion since.
Wii tanks guy to Pikmin versus mode guy
What a leap
Seriously man... They BUTCHERED the Switch port for Pikmin 2.
Over-sanitizing everything and removing any mildly "offensive" jokes, removing the weed plant, prioritizing the camera over swarming, and REMOVING all of the versus mode layouts? This is ridiculous! :(