Listen, we all know he can only mimic sound tones because he isn't Billy Corgan and as any musician knows 95% of the sound is that particular persons MAGIC touch the rest is gear. In this instance Billy Corgans tone was his main focus. He was trying to demonstrate that general sound of the Smashing Pumpkins and on a level that an average musician can afford and get. I can tell they took time to make sure they selected gear that most average musicians can possibly afford and obtain easily. I think this was one of the best vids like this I've personally watched. Sam did an EXCELLENT job playing and explaining things and I think captured the general vibe of the Pumpkins sound particularly the 90's tone. Great job guys!
I would say it's more from the studio. Endless overdubs and effects. You can get pretty close with a JCM900, Strat and a Big Muff OP Amp but the rest is all Studio "trickerie".
Such a great video. For all you "well, this is not quite right because in fact Billy used KT-88 valves on his JCM800, 2 Big Muffs, Nike trainers for Gish and Doc Marten boots after, lace sensors instead of Strat single coils etc etc", this is a general approach to their sound that the average player can get to without too many mods or too much money. And what a great video it is. This is why you can't have nice things
Fantastic presenter, articulate, informative and no time wasting frills. Sam can also trash out very very tidy chops demonstrating his points. Class act. Thumbs up.
Billy Corgan is the main reason why I bought a Big Muff Pi about two to three years ago when my band was covering Today and it definitely helped me get close to that sound
Doesn't make that much of a difference as long as they are single coil pickups. Lace sensors are essentially just noiseless single coils, tonally they aren't that different
very helpful video! but here’s the real deal gish - ada mp 1 preamp to marshall jcm 800 siamese dream - big muff to marshall jcm 800 mellon collie - marshall jmp 1 preamp to the mesa boogie strategy 500 poweramp with an alesis 3630 compressor for extra gain machina - diezel vh4 (used live) zeitgeist - diezel herbert oceania - billy’s salvation mods preamps that’s all i know but i hope this helps for people
This article has an in-depth description of how it was recorded. Enjoy! www.emusician.com/gear/signal-to-noise-the-sonic-diary-of-the-smashing-pumpkins
Dude I had no idea my pitchfork could do that!!! I just learned Zero today and I figured there was no way I could pull off that solo. I'm so stoked to try that out!
Jeff says on the new tour both Billy and him are using Helix for the bulk of their effects. Also that LIVE they don't use fuzz, that's saved for records.
I heard that Billy most used pedals live for solos and stuff like that. It makes sense they use Helix considering they are getting up there in age. Plus a Helix can give you whatever amp sounds you want.
Good basic rundown. Obviously, as others have stated here in the comments section....there are a few flaws in these demos, and some bits of misinformation here and there, but if you're looking for that sound, this vid will get you most of the way there. I will say, if you can't get your hands on an original op-amp Muff, the reissue featured here is great. I've had a few BMs over the years, and this one is the most "Pumpkin-y"
Couldn't agree with you more @Rock & Roll Music Man. Anyone could be super critical of this, but it is a path, and that's all! So many try to "replicate" instead of create. The ONLY thing I would have added to this to get someone started is a boost of sorts. Corgan used the MXR Distortion ii with the Muff for many of his leads on SD and MCIS. Obviously these aren't around but there are alternatives. Other than missing out on throwing in a boost, this was fantastic. Thanks!
Epic playing by the way. that period of music was so good. my gen also. kinda simple stuff but arranged perfectly, each guitar part very purposeful. Same deal with A.I.C
On Cherub Rock mix in a track of a cranked barefoot JCM800 and you’ll be there. If you listen to the track there’s a lot of noise outside of the big muff range. Also I think Billy uses a small stone. One trick I’ve used for a live sound is a stereo chorus with two different amps and two different big muffs. It adds some of that double track thickness.. but really the whole key is as much gain as possible.
I just bought a op amp big muff, couldn't be happier with it, but watching this i realised that i have pretty much all the gear to start a smashing pumkins tribute band XD
this video is amazing, the research done to deliver a complete review of smashing pumpkins equipment and the modern pedal options to the originals is exactly what I was looking for, thanks
you're gonna get a bit closer (to siamese dream tone) if you use a strat with lace sensors and use the neck pickup (main reason things sound wrong on this). also no big muff on gish. everything on the JCM800 was dimed and attenuated. good call on the op amp big muff.. took me a long time to understand why my old russian muff didn't sound right. you can also add a fender blender (or copy)
liked it? liked it? I LOVED it. The attention to detail... take note, Andertons Sounds-Like.. such a better way to do it, rather than 30 seconds thought by running round a shop.
TL:DR; Hardtail Strat with Lace Sensors. Les Paul for the other guy in the band. Op-Amp Big Muff Reissue, one for each of you. Marshall JCM800, or a reasonable simulation thereof. Phaser/Reverb/Chorus pedals of your choice when needed to fake the multitracking. Octave pedal for the few songs that actually DO use it. (Rocket comes to mind here)
I’ve always wondered how they did the constant electric guitar sound, like the opening riff around the one minute mark in Mayonnaise. It’s a fascinating sound. I think the presenter is saying it was layers and layers of guitar that harmonized into 1 smooth sound?
Some songs on Siamese Dream had over 50 guitar overdubs I think. Mayonaise was also played with a broken guitar that made a wailing feedback sound when you just let it go (”When I can - wEEEEEE” - THAT sound)
In BWBW James played power chords like in the video but Billy plays open chords to contrast. At least this is what I've seen on live versions of the song.
So many little nerd rages here! It's pronounced E-HA! Billy definitely recorded "Today" in standard playing it in the key of Eb, not a half step playing it like it's E. Still, thanks for making the video. (Don't forget KT88's in the JCM800!)
I don't think the sound is quite as spot on as Andertons were able to achieve but this is still pretty accurate & I really like all the extra info and riffing in this vid compared to theirs. Well done.
Been wanting to get this sound on some things I want to write so this is useful. Have to have a strat fender type guitar and Gibson ES-335 type hollow body and tons of phaser/fuzz pedals. Doing this on a budget is quite a difficult challenge as Corgan has hundreds of pedals! Marshall JCM 800 is a great amp- so many classic rock and metal bands used it from Corgan to Slayer to Megadeth.
Thanks for this great gear guide. I really liked how pmtvuk panned the guitars for this, especially on cherub rock and rhinoceros. Any advice on where you placed the sound in the stereo image? I'm just getting started with studio panning and am looking for tips on that big, layered sound. Thanks.
The video is great but how could you do a video about tone without showing the amp settings??! Numerous people have asked in these comments and you havent even responded???
The Reverend BC-1 guitar sounds more like Pumpkins than a Strat. The railhammer custom pickups in that thing are epic, pure Pumpkins clean and take fuzz super well. Also, why does everyone play Cherub Rock SO wrong? It's not that hard. Just listen to the song!
Jake Johnson I’m not. Your are by thinking you are going to get closer to Billy’s tone using a different guitar. Just by using same gear won’t be enough to get the same tone. So grab some guitar magazines and educate yourself about gear Then we talk.
As a total Pumpkins (and Pumpkins' gear)-head from back-in-the day, this was really well done ... I collected old big muffs, mutron gear, etc etc etc, because of Billy ... he would have played the Zero lead, not James, on the recording, as he was (is?) a bit of a control-freak (mind you, he was also the far better player, especially back then, as James would freely admit). The only thing not covered was all the rack gear they used - maybe when racks come back into vogue again ... ??????!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;P The only detail I could pick on would be the pronunciation of James' name, since I speak Japanese ... :P Awesome job, all up!! Peace, Be well - K
PS - if you're just going by some pastemagazine.com article you googled, I just had a look at it, and they don't know s### ... Ive seen lots of people wrongly assume that Iha was 'the lead player', just because Billy was the singer, and some people make wrong assumptions just on that basis.
Kieren Moore I know Billy wrote the song and basically the whole album but James played/recorded the solo on Zero. Billy himself said it many times. If I find a source I'll post it here
Kieren Moore The Pumpkins are my favourite band for the last 20 years or more. I know an embarrassing amount about the band. I don't need newsmagazine whatever that it to tell me what's up.
Good video. I'm a little picky about how people play songs differently than it goes, but the point of the video is the tone & the equipment. & You nailed that, 100%.
Pretty good video! But being that SP is my favorite band, I have a few criticisms. Why did you play "Today" in a different key? Also, James' last name is pronounced "ee-haw".
I’ve always assumed that Today was played in Eb because they dropped the tuning down a half step, like Hendrix did. So, playing in an open E tuning makes the most sense. Not sure why they’d choose to play in Eb, if they weren’t tuning down.
@@ViaticalTree Lol, no… It’s pronounced “ee-haw”. Take it from me - a 15yr massively obsessed (at one point) fan of the band. If you’re not convinced, just search his name on YT and watch an interview with SP where they say James’ name.
Dang I got to the party late. I didn't get the notice Only 1 guitar so I brought both. Strat with Lace sensors and a Les Paul with 496/500 pups. No Marshall through. Twin/ Boogie will make enough noise.
Cool stuff! Now I'm not a pedal freak so I might be wrong.. but when I went to my local guitar shop they had the classic Big Muff there, brand new for about 90 dollars? It's of course a reissue of some sort but it looks exactly like the old big ugly butt itself :P Sounds amazing though so I'm probably gonna get me one of those :)
Listen, we all know he can only mimic sound tones because he isn't Billy Corgan and as any musician knows 95% of the sound is that particular persons MAGIC touch the rest is gear. In this instance Billy Corgans tone was his main focus. He was trying to demonstrate that general sound of the Smashing Pumpkins and on a level that an average musician can afford and get. I can tell they took time to make sure they selected gear that most average musicians can possibly afford and obtain easily. I think this was one of the best vids like this I've personally watched. Sam did an EXCELLENT job playing and explaining things and I think captured the general vibe of the Pumpkins sound particularly the 90's tone. Great job guys!
I would say it's more from the studio. Endless overdubs and effects. You can get pretty close with a JCM900, Strat and a Big Muff OP Amp but the rest is all Studio "trickerie".
Thanks David, we think Sam did a fantastic job.
*jcm800
No, tone is about gear. Touch won’t add fuzz, delay etc. Tone is about timbre, not your overall sound or what you play.
@rockrollmusicman1107
I'm not sure why you are defending the video, is anyone saying otherwise? All I see is praise.
The secret to Pumpkins tone is the color orange
Billy always said the tone Is in the color of a guitar
Such a great video. For all you "well, this is not quite right because in fact Billy used KT-88 valves on his JCM800, 2 Big Muffs, Nike trainers for Gish and Doc Marten boots after, lace sensors instead of Strat single coils etc etc", this is a general approach to their sound that the average player can get to without too many mods or too much money. And what a great video it is. This is why you can't have nice things
swear he said "mellon collie and impotent sadness" .. to be fair that is a great alternative title
🤣🤣🤣🤣
He did 😂
No he didn’t.
I would do a series just based on 90s nostalgia bands. Take the trip on memory lane
I like that idea. Lot's of sounds going on
If you do a 90s series, don't forget My Bloody Valentine and Slowdive.
Best time for music was the 90s in my opinion
@@cncnmore4505 I’d say now, it’s just a lot of bad music you have to comb through since so many people can put their music up on UA-cam
Bullet with butterfly wings sounded incredible, great job
Fantastic presenter, articulate, informative and no time wasting frills. Sam can also trash out very very tidy chops demonstrating his points. Class act. Thumbs up.
Quite articulate, except when he tried to pronounce "infinite sadness".
Billy Corgan is the main reason why I bought a Big Muff Pi about two to three years ago when my band was covering Today and it definitely helped me get close to that sound
Dont forget the lace sensor pickups! thanks for this vid. It rocked!
1:46
he didn't tho lol
Doesn't make that much of a difference as long as they are single coil pickups. Lace sensors are essentially just noiseless single coils, tonally they aren't that different
very helpful video! but here’s the real deal
gish - ada mp 1 preamp to marshall jcm 800
siamese dream - big muff to marshall jcm 800
mellon collie - marshall jmp 1 preamp to the mesa boogie strategy 500 poweramp with an alesis 3630 compressor for extra gain
machina - diezel vh4 (used live)
zeitgeist - diezel herbert
oceania - billy’s salvation mods preamps
that’s all i know but i hope this helps for people
Awesome!
“Zero”, “Ode to No one”, “Stumbleine”, “Thru the Eyes of Ruby”
I hope Billy watches this video. He's forgotten all about the SP sound.
lol
Cool! nice vid. I love the Smashing Pumpkins Sound, especially the Siamese Dream Album
Best album ever!
This article has an in-depth description of how it was recorded. Enjoy! www.emusician.com/gear/signal-to-noise-the-sonic-diary-of-the-smashing-pumpkins
Dude I had no idea my pitchfork could do that!!! I just learned Zero today and I figured there was no way I could pull off that solo. I'm so stoked to try that out!
James Iha (Eee-ha)
C. Gooden I uh believe you are correct
Yep, it's a Japanese name. No other languages than English use the [ai] sound for the letter i.
James Yeehaw
C. Gooden I was thinking the same thing
If this is right then I've been saying it right all this time. That makes me happy.
The pitch shift solo was awesome✌✌✌✌✌
Jeff says on the new tour both Billy and him are using Helix for the bulk of their effects. Also that LIVE they don't use fuzz, that's saved for records.
I heard that Billy most used pedals live for solos and stuff like that. It makes sense they use Helix considering they are getting up there in age. Plus a Helix can give you whatever amp sounds you want.
Billy's Siamese Strats were 1988 57' AVRI's loaded with lace sensors Red, Silver, Blue. Pretty important piece of the sound.
Smashing Pumpkins really ruled my early 20s. Now I finally learning guitar & bass, time to taste their tone on my own at last! Thanks for the guide!
This is better and more informative that the Andertons videos. Good work.
As someone who is getting into the smashing pumpkins and wants their sound thank you! this was really helpful
Agreed with the love for Sam, a brilliant player and reviewer.
Good basic rundown. Obviously, as others have stated here in the comments section....there are a few flaws in these demos, and some bits of misinformation here and there, but if you're looking for that sound, this vid will get you most of the way there. I will say, if you can't get your hands on an original op-amp Muff, the reissue featured here is great. I've had a few BMs over the years, and this one is the most "Pumpkin-y"
Couldn't agree with you more @Rock & Roll Music Man. Anyone could be super critical of this, but it is a path, and that's all! So many try to "replicate" instead of create. The ONLY thing I would have added to this to get someone started is a boost of sorts. Corgan used the MXR Distortion ii with the Muff for many of his leads on SD and MCIS. Obviously these aren't around but there are alternatives. Other than missing out on throwing in a boost, this was fantastic. Thanks!
Epic playing by the way. that period of music was so good. my gen also. kinda simple stuff but arranged perfectly, each guitar part very purposeful. Same deal with A.I.C
Brilliant! I'm keen to try the pitch shifter. Never used one before.
The Bullet With Butterfly Wings section sounded really accurate! Good job!
On Cherub Rock mix in a track of a cranked barefoot JCM800 and you’ll be there. If you listen to the track there’s a lot of noise outside of the big muff range. Also I think Billy uses a small stone. One trick I’ve used for a live sound is a stereo chorus with two different amps and two different big muffs. It adds some of that double track thickness.. but really the whole key is as much gain as possible.
I love the zero intro riff.
Don't forget your Jimmy Chamberlin to flesh out the sound..
Carry*
I'm looking for a used one on Reverb but haven't found anything yet. They don't seem to come out that often
Well done. Thanks for this! Just what I was looking for.
I just bought a op amp big muff, couldn't be happier with it, but watching this i realised that i have pretty much all the gear to start a smashing pumkins tribute band XD
this video is amazing, the research done to deliver a complete review of smashing pumpkins equipment and the modern pedal options to the originals is exactly what I was looking for, thanks
Thanks for watching!
I reaaaallly like the Orange 120 and the VOX AC30. Man, those are the best amps.
what a fantastic presentation. thanks and well done!
you're gonna get a bit closer (to siamese dream tone) if you use a strat with lace sensors and use the neck pickup (main reason things sound wrong on this). also no big muff on gish. everything on the JCM800 was dimed and attenuated. good call on the op amp big muff.. took me a long time to understand why my old russian muff didn't sound right. you can also add a fender blender (or copy)
I like this video approach. Partly for the documentary and especially because of the discussion about variations in the rig to suit you.
Dude you pretty much nailed it, bravissimo!
liked it? liked it? I LOVED it. The attention to detail... take note, Andertons Sounds-Like.. such a better way to do it, rather than 30 seconds thought by running round a shop.
TL:DR;
Hardtail Strat with Lace Sensors. Les Paul for the other guy in the band. Op-Amp Big Muff Reissue, one for each of you. Marshall JCM800, or a reasonable simulation thereof. Phaser/Reverb/Chorus pedals of your choice when needed to fake the multitracking. Octave pedal for the few songs that actually DO use it. (Rocket comes to mind here)
Thanks for the time you put into this mate. So insightful.
Billy Corgan used ADA MP-1 preamp during recording sessions of Gish.
I have one too. I'd love to know the settings of his !
Love it, you should do Weezer...just the first 2 albums though, fuck anything after Pinkerton
Billy Corgan has mentioned in multiple interviews how important the Fender Blender was for his tone. Yet it wasn't mentioned.
I’ve always wondered how they did the constant electric guitar sound, like the opening riff around the one minute mark in Mayonnaise. It’s a fascinating sound. I think the presenter is saying it was layers and layers of guitar that harmonized into 1 smooth sound?
Some songs on Siamese Dream had over 50 guitar overdubs I think. Mayonaise was also played with a broken guitar that made a wailing feedback sound when you just let it go (”When I can - wEEEEEE” - THAT sound)
In BWBW James played power chords like in the video but Billy plays open chords to contrast. At least this is what I've seen on live versions of the song.
I love the cream color Strat with tortoise shell pick-guard !!!
Would have loved to see some settings, great sound
Great vid! Also, ZZ Top sounds can be had from this pedal. I use this a lot as well as the MXR Custom Badass 78.
Great video - quick question - was the amp running clean and all the gain/fuzz coming from the muff? Or was it a mix?
Great video enjoyed that thank you 🙏
So many little nerd rages here! It's pronounced E-HA! Billy definitely recorded "Today" in standard playing it in the key of Eb, not a half step playing it like it's E. Still, thanks for making the video. (Don't forget KT88's in the JCM800!)
Jake Modica Classic! Totally dig the nerd rage! "F.U!! Just because I wear glasses!!" :)
Can't ever expect the British to pronounce things correctly
Rhinoceros has a Small Clone on it!
"not just any old Big Muff"
Huge SP fan myself and i loved those riffs you played. Anyway you can demo Mayonaise as well? That is the ultimate 90s SP tune!
I don't think the sound is quite as spot on as Andertons were able to achieve but this is still pretty accurate & I really like all the extra info and riffing in this vid compared to theirs. Well done.
A really good video. All the info we need.
Amazing review, super well done! Goddamn
Excellent demo!
Great video! Thank you!
That was as close to the pumpkins tone as I have ever seen done on a video great job!!!
Excellent video and sounds!
this is fun , well done , thank you.
What settings do you have dialed on for the Marshall Jim 800?
Been wanting to get this sound on some things I want to write so this is useful. Have to have a strat fender type guitar and Gibson ES-335 type hollow body and tons of phaser/fuzz pedals. Doing this on a budget is quite a difficult challenge as Corgan has hundreds of pedals! Marshall JCM 800 is a great amp- so many classic rock and metal bands used it from Corgan to Slayer to Megadeth.
Man, you really need that red lace sensor in the bridge to get that signature sound.
Thanks for this great gear guide. I really liked how pmtvuk panned the guitars for this, especially on cherub rock and rhinoceros. Any advice on where you placed the sound in the stereo image? I'm just getting started with studio panning and am looking for tips on that big, layered sound. Thanks.
The video is great but how could you do a video about tone without showing the amp settings??! Numerous people have asked in these comments and you havent even responded???
Damn you really nailed it dude, well done.
The Reverend BC-1 guitar sounds more like Pumpkins than a Strat. The railhammer custom pickups in that thing are epic, pure Pumpkins clean and take fuzz super well.
Also, why does everyone play Cherub Rock SO wrong? It's not that hard. Just listen to the song!
Why buying a guitar billy never used instead of an strat ?
keaulana1 you’re an idiot
Jake Johnson I’m not. Your are by thinking you are going to get closer to Billy’s tone using a different guitar. Just by using same gear won’t be enough to get the same tone. So grab some guitar magazines and educate yourself about gear Then we talk.
keaulana1 hey bud the reverend BC-1 is Billy Corgan sig
James Sisson I know but he never recorded with that guitar.
Class job on this renditions. Almost liked better than original.
Bravo !!!! Great video man !!!!
As a total Pumpkins (and Pumpkins' gear)-head from back-in-the day, this was really well done ... I collected old big muffs, mutron gear, etc etc etc, because of Billy ... he would have played the Zero lead, not James, on the recording, as he was (is?) a bit of a control-freak (mind you, he was also the far better player, especially back then, as James would freely admit). The only thing not covered was all the rack gear they used - maybe when racks come back into vogue again ... ??????!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;P The only detail I could pick on would be the pronunciation of James' name, since I speak Japanese ... :P Awesome job, all up!! Peace, Be well - K
Kieren Moore James definitely played the Zero solo
Corgan was the sole writer of the song. He played the solo on the recording.
Do you mean you've seen Iha playing a solo for the song live ... ?
PS - if you're just going by some pastemagazine.com article you googled, I just had a look at it, and they don't know s### ... Ive seen lots of people wrongly assume that Iha was 'the lead player', just because Billy was the singer, and some people make wrong assumptions just on that basis.
Kieren Moore I know Billy wrote the song and basically the whole album but James played/recorded the solo on Zero. Billy himself said it many times. If I find a source I'll post it here
Kieren Moore The Pumpkins are my favourite band for the last 20 years or more. I know an embarrassing amount about the band. I don't need newsmagazine whatever that it to tell me what's up.
Great tones, a lot very close!
Great pedals, maybe a little more dialing in because it was "kind close" to SP sound.
Ps- you're better than me & I'm jealous lol
Cheers
10/10 content.
Is this a series now? If it is could you do one on blur
... so long as you give me coffee and tv ... :))
Good video. I'm a little picky about how people play songs differently than it goes, but the point of the video is the tone & the equipment.
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You nailed that, 100%.
Lol I cringed pretty hard at the way he played Cherub Rock.
Awesome video thanks
sick!
umm r=this guy is incredibly talented too! like wow!!
How many watts is that JCM 800 Lead series head? Thanks! Great video.
Two jhs Angry charlies Or one going into a Fender champion amp gets you pretty close
Pretty good video! But being that SP is my favorite band, I have a few criticisms. Why did you play "Today" in a different key? Also, James' last name is pronounced "ee-haw".
glad to see someone else notice the wrong key in "Today" lmao
I’ve always assumed that Today was played in Eb because they dropped the tuning down a half step, like Hendrix did. So, playing in an open E tuning makes the most sense. Not sure why they’d choose to play in Eb, if they weren’t tuning down.
@@stevenbatke4167 it IS played in e flat, and it IS standard tuning. not kidding. intro riff is on frets 11 and 13 for real.
Lol no, Iha is pronounced ee-huh.
@@ViaticalTree Lol, no… It’s pronounced “ee-haw”. Take it from me - a 15yr massively obsessed (at one point) fan of the band. If you’re not convinced, just search his name on YT and watch an interview with SP where they say James’ name.
What a good video brother. Everything sounded great !!!
Question: Are all those stuff yours? :O
Dang I got to the party late. I didn't get the notice Only 1 guitar so I brought both. Strat with Lace sensors and a Les Paul with 496/500 pups. No Marshall through. Twin/ Boogie will make enough noise.
You got to have the big muff
Reverb settings? I have a landlord FX banging hangover pedal so it'd be nice to hear about the settings
Cool stuff!
Now I'm not a pedal freak so I might be wrong.. but when I went to my local guitar shop they had the classic Big Muff there, brand new for about 90 dollars?
It's of course a reissue of some sort but it looks exactly like the old big ugly butt itself :P
Sounds amazing though so I'm probably gonna get me one of those :)
Wabin22 the current issue big muffs use a totally different circuit and components to each previous version
It was the OP Big Muff
James Eyehaw
So you're saying that i should get Marshall Code to sound like Smashing Pumpkins??
Are you wearing a Michael Stipe Star shirt?! If so, respect!
The first 3 albums were Gish, Siamese Dream and Pisces Iscariot
You guys really really really need to do sonic youth gear guide
Very nice ..
You didn't mention that some (or all?) of his guitars are tuned to E flat.
Only some. From Siamese dream it’s only today and Mayonaise. And almost all of Mellon collie.
@@jtuckers1 no, it was not tuned to e flat for Today! the song is played in e flat on a standard tuning. always has been.
How did you get the bullet with butterfly wings sound ?
Nice!
From experience, those new big muffs are way too harsh compared to the old ones. Should have mentioned the chorus sounds too.
exactly, they sound a little more crunchy and aggressive