The Slow Painful Decline of Project Diva
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- Опубліковано 15 лис 2022
- Well it was a long time coming: overpriced ports, removal of essential features, lackluster mv's...
So what can Sega do to fix it?
Join me as we explore the painful decline of the Project Diva Franchise.
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#vocaloid #projectdiva
Although it makes me really sad, it feels like at this point project sekai has completely replaced project diva
i highly disagree. i cannot stand sekai's gameplay or inclusion of non-vocaloid singers personally. project diva always feels distinct
@@_Rhatsody yeah but that’s just your opinion. diva has most definitely been overshadowed by project sekai no matter which one you prefer that’s the truth.
@@_Rhatsody I agree with the original comment, but not because Project Sekai is the better Project Diva, but because Project Diva will never get the attention it used to, and subsequent projects like Sekai will be the new "Vocaloid game" SEGA will put its focus on. Which is sad, considering I share your opinion on the games themselves.
@@Nora-mf7qi that's why i said "personally". It's implied that it's my opinion
@@_Rhatsody Honestly same. The gameplay for me is just sorta missing? Like I see the direction they were going for but for me, it’s not clicking. I don’t HATE the new characters, but IMO, they felt really forced. It just felt like they were ticking off an idol checklist. Like bruh might as well call it Revue Uta no Ensemble Love Aikatsu Bandori M@STER Mic Saga 7. The Gacha system, the outfits and the original songs only exasperated my issues of the whole stock idol thing. I don’t think they’re horrible, but if I had never found out about ProSekai, and you showed me the costumes, cards, or songs with no context, I legit would think its some new Love Live/UtaPri/EnStars/Bandori etc. thing that I just haven’t seen yet. I do like the PVs, the song selection is fun and unique, and the seiyuus are talented, but it just feels not all there.
My favorite thing about project diva games is making my own MV setups. The fact that even the most recent ports still mostly rely on PVs and outfits from decades ago, and that they won't just team up to include vocaloids from other companies is just sad.
i guess the logistical nightmare of having to manage like 3 or 5 vocaloid companies to all be in agreement would be too much even when the games were in their hayday
I mean at the end of they day, when you look at the cut most companies ask of individual artists for using their vocaloids- let ALONE established companies ? Project Diva's roster understandable
The Character Vocal Series (Miku/Rin/Len/Luka) and the Crypton Vocaloid Series (MEIKO/KAITO) are all already owned by Crypton,
Teto is really easy to get the rights to, and The VIPPERLOIDS are already so heavily owned by Crypton that only their designs really need licensing.
The only REAL other options for Guest Friends that are reasonable considering P-DIVA's current state are GUMI (While she is expensive, she already has a rich, friendly history with Crypton and SEGA and would easily rake in return-on-investment), and the duo of Azuki and Matcha (who are both fully developed and owned by SEGA themselves).
Most other vocaloids aren't really worth giving other companies the cut, as their presence wouldn't garner as much attention as the already-starring cast or GUMI.
#SaveProjectDIVA
@@Aurora-P i didnt know The VIPPERLOIDS were heavily owned by Crypton. interesting
@@ruikirisame1744 They aren't necissarly owned by crypton - but they have legal ownership of most, if not all of their root voices- as they're the owners of Hatsune Miku, Kagamine Rin, and MEIKO respectively ; who the Project DIVA VIppers are heavily if not fully derivative of.
Sekai isn’t a bad game by any means, but it’s just really upsetting to see Sekai players get new songs and events pretty often, whilst Diva is pretty much only being kept alive by modders. I would absolutely love a new release in the original style, or even just 60fps rereleases of F, F2nd, and X. But instead, Sega spends their time on Sekai because it’s just more profitable.
Dva was the better game too🥲
If X had edit mode it would be nice but it’ll never happen
YESSSS literally watching diva get backseated for a spinoff is wild
I know its been a while since you released this, but the reason why some songs dont have PVs, it is because the original creator of those songs did not like to have a different one. The artist behind the original mv does not want it to be replaced.
i just hate the Sekai fandom most of them are toxic sadly
as someone who was too young to experience vocaloid in its golden age, these types of videos make me so sad that I didn’t know vocaloid sooner, that I couldn’t really be apart of that hype
but now that I’m here in the fandom, I’m trying to catch up, and even though I know it is a shell of what project diva stands for. I am trying to save up for mega mix on the switch, because I want to feel a sliver of what it was like back then
my first glimpse of this was with project sekai, even though it is still pretty young. it made me feel even more excited to listen to vocaloid and be apart of this fandom
being able to see the song list, and reconise at lot of them, makes me feel great, and like I’m actually apart of this community. maybe I’ll regret it in the future, but I’m excited to at least be able to say I’ve played one of these games, especially on a console i have.
Same here I didn't get into vocaloid until 6th grade and now I'm a freshman
If you want another amazing side to vocaloid try listen to other producers like clean tears, ariel flow, bernis
vocaloid forever
@@Hatsune_Miku0139 what type of music do they make may I ask?
@☆clown eggs♡ vocaloid trance mainly its beautiful.
I'll give u a sample type into youtube "ariel flow: memorys"
kind of a vocaloid veteran here, i’m very happy to see younger people get into DIVA and other older VOCALOID media through SEKAI… 🥲 i’ve been into miku since elementary school and i’m in high school now… it’s never too late to experience the joy and wonder of older DIVA titles
i mean literally all you need to do is watch a REALLY cool DIVA MV on googoo888’s channel and you’ll be hooked lmao
i appreciate you prsk fans showing love for DIVA even if it isnt at its highest rn… it means a lot 🥹❤️
As someone who’s always loved Vocaloid for THE VOCALOIDS THEMSELVES, it’s painful to watch them get backseated to human charas and people’s ocs so bad….
YES YES YES. THIS!!!!
OH MY GODDDD SO TRUE I FUCKING HATE PROJECT SEKAI FOR FUCKS SAKE
Diva and Mirai were the best
You have NOT played sekai
i stand by the fact that project sekai destroyed vocaloid, god i hate that game
32:36 If it makes you feel any better, this is still present in Project Sekai where they regularly announce a theme/genre anyone can compose a Vocaloid song to for a chance to win your song permanently being in the game
The event is called Project Sekai NEXT
@@tecinplace1316 There's also the regular contests to design the in-game outfits. Fans are absolutely still a part of the dev process in sekai
The songs selected through the contest are : Brand new Day by Irucaice, Hana wo utau by shino, Utakata mirai by Kaga, Sou datta! by Takenoko Shounen, Sick of House! by OZON, Last score by Sekikomi Gohan, Judas by Sukoya Cathedral, ONESELF by Twinfield, Mikansei Sanka by Shaito, Soredemo li nda yo by Ponchi and Ichi Ni no San de by nogumi.
#SaveProjectDIVA
@@niar1726 don’t forget Alive (which was from a pre-release contest), as well as the Proseka Ultimate ones that haven’t been released in-game yet!
I'm SO glad you talked at length about the MVs. I remember starting to tap out from Project Diva after X because of that exact thing. I know a lot of people say that things like MVs that don't matter in the long run (and, tbh, I understand some producers requesting their original PVs to be imported to give recognition to the animators/artists/editors that created them like with Jitterbug from what I heard) but to me it was a sure sign of a lack of effort. The MVs in mirai, F & F2nd and in Dreamy Theater were extremely fun and I liked them not just because "hey, I get a funny sparkly video to watch while I play the song" but also because I LOVED seeing the devs' interpretations of songs and the how they handled them, especially in songs that didn't even HAVE a story in the first place (i.e. Remote Control (Rin and Len were overflowing with personality in that one), World's End Dancehall as mentioned, Nega*Posi Continues, Denparadigm). And even WITH songs with stories, they did their own spins on them, like Miku watching WORLD'S END UMBRELLA in the theater, Miku and Rin's conflict-turned-friendship in Doubleganger or the clever toning-down yet still tangible deaths in Kagerou Daze. Black Rock Shooter's PV is my favorite for this reason, the beginning with Miku walking along the beam overlooking the city while flashes of her and the other 'loids pass by gets me so pumped up every time. Like, they didn't have to do that! It showed the extra care and work they put in! So when they took it away despite the engine being able to support FAR better graphics than the original titles, I started to feel like something dark was on the horizon.
I'm a MAJOR fan of Project SEKAI, and I think they've done a really good job with it thus far. I love the original characters and the stories are very good. But I do wish that Project Diva had lasted, or had a new yet similar game to take its place, as I feel there's a lot of things that DIVA did right that Proseka will never be able to do due to its status as a mobile title and its predominant focus on the oc generation. Even more so, since SEKAI has proved it IS in fact possible to have a VOCALOID rhythm game with more than just the Crypton/piapro characters (songwise, anyway). If we could have a game with SEKAI's songlist, mirai's gameplay and DIVA/mirai's PVs and features, plus inclusion of other VOCALOID characters, I think we'd be set for life.
Probably my favorite comment so far, thanks coffeestory for the awesome analysis!
Finally someone that acknowledges mirai's existence 😭
YES. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I THINK. THE LAST SENTENCE IS RIGHT ON THE MONEY AND IM REALLY HAPPY TO SEE A COMMENT THAT GIVES SEKAI SOME CREDIT. IF WE COULD JUST HAVE A GANE THAT IMPLEMENTS ALL THE GOOD ASPECTS OF ALL THE GAMES WE HAVE HAD ID LITERALLY CRY
AND DONT FORGET SADISTIC MUSIC FACTORY'S BANGER MV PLEASE!
(it's gonna be disappointing when the song eventually releases on sekai with no Miku boss fight... 😞)
I'd love for Project DIVA to have Sekai's song list with the original vocals! Granted, Sega and Crypton would have to pull some strings to have the characters be part of the game (like flower, IA, and Yuzuki Yukari), but then again, they added GUMI to Project Mirai, so nothing is impossible.
This video isn't what I expected, yet I ended up being sadder about it. Seeing a franchise so dear to me, going from being a lowkey love letter for Vocaloid and it's community, to a former shell of itself with little to not heart behind it (and even then I can't entirely blame them for everything, because life happens).
And I know you didn't go into depth with Project SEKAI, but for me it can and will never replace DIVA and the effect it had on me. It's a soild game, but I think it's pros are not enough for me to ignore it's cons.
All I'll say is, huge respect to all the modders out there that are trying their dammest best to keep this franchise alive, even if SEGA not only doesn't heed them but also prevents them from doing so.
#SaveProjectDIVA
For real, hisokeee and the project eden team have really done so much! and hisokeee been around since project diva f edits on youtube. one of the OGs lol
@@pedrocoronel5851 and googoo888, i miss them :(
While i love Project Sekai mostly for N25 stories, i DO really miss PJ Diva so much despite never played it :(
Controversial opinion; i think without the Vocaloids, PJ Sekai will did just as well like right now. The stories are so damn good i wonder why the Vocaloids has to be there in first place if they're just supporting characters. Heck the original title is literally "Project Sekai ft. Hatsune Miku" if you ignore the english tilte.
The good side is PJ Sekai would give more exposure and chance to more fresh producers than PJ Diva did so i think each game have their own charm and weakness.
At least PJ Sekai can accept more darker songs Like Aishite, Jishou Mushoku, and Egoist.
project DIVA is literally the thing that got me into VOCALOID in elementary school, and VOCALOID has stuck with me for all those years, so i owe it to SEGA in a way…
so it’s really sad to see something that once meant so much slowly degrade in quality and meaning 🥲 it’s like they don’t care anymore, they didn’t even make modules for alien alien and hibana 🥲
i LOVE colorful stage but i feel like it gives a completely different vibe from DIVA… i can appreciate the fan contests for costumes and songs but it just doesnt feel the same… the focus is less on the songs and producers and more on the guys who sing and relate to them WHICH IS TOTALLY FINE… but that fun sense of adaptation that MVs like envy cat walk and rolling girl had in DIVA are completely lost with gacha games that focus on “miku fans” rather than “miku” herself…
every time i open DIVA and have fun watching a pretty MV or making a cute module i can only hope that SEGA remembers what made DIVA so loveable 🥹
(amazing video as always btw, we need more video essay people like you in the VOCALOID community 👍 thank you for your work)
#SaveProjectDIVA
My first introduction to Vocaloid was when i got the PV from Romeo and Cinderella on my UA-cam recommendations. It was about 7 years ago, and I was close to 11. I was dazzled by everything there. From the music, to the stage, the idea of a virtual singer, the changing clothes (didn't know about modules back then), lastly, the song itself, it still is my top 1 of all time when it comes to vocaloid. I was so entranced by Miku i even made a powerpoint presentation for my IT class at the time, for which i got a lot of weird looks from the teacher. It was YEARS before i rediscovered the genere, learning about the other well known creators such as Wowaka, Ryo, Deco*27, Cosmo, Kurousa, Mitche M, 40mp and the others, got my love rekindled for the 3rd almost sindle handedly by Otetsu. I even brought a cracked PSP and stole the ROM's since i couldn't get the original discs. All for it to come to PDMM and now happily playing on the PC. I'm still a new player and I have a lot of hope for at least some more official songs, but i suppose it's not really propable now.
Sorry for any possible mistakes and a text wall. Thank you for the time of your day to read this mess.
Making a powerpoint on vocaloid and having people give you weird looks is so reliable 😂 great comment!
#SaveProjectDIVA
@@ubnubmaster Yesterday I made a poster for new students that were coming in next year and I made it Miku themed thankfully nobody could understand the colour theme however because I did put those red-ish pink and turquoise colours in it my friends who were away that day would probably say MIKU COLOUR and expose me for having a literal miku obsession even though they also have an obsession with miku
@@ubnubmaster Where is IA why come no more concerts live what happened
My hope for Diva now is that Sekai grow so big that it can support any other Vocaloid game project under Sega/Crypton now. I get that people are complaining that Sekai is killing Diva but the way i see it, i see it kinda like FGO and Type/Moon situation where FGO (a gacha game like Sekai) grow SO big that people say it 'kill' other Type/Moon franchise but in truth, FGO gacha money FUND the other games in Type/Moon (ex Tsukihime Remake).
I kinda wish Sekai and Diva can be like that.
I'm pretty sure i remember seeing a tweet from crypton/sega (I don't remember) that the success of Sekai is making the higher ups reconsider on doing another Diva too so i HOPE
Except, this is nonsense. Sega is a business and their business is making money. They aren't going to be investing into projects that are less profitable. They are going to double down on what's making them the most cash possible. So, the only possible future for Project DIVA would have been had Project Sekai flopped. Unfortunately, it's bloody mobile game packed full of predatory micropayments, where things don't even have to be good to make money, they just need to exploit how people's brains work to make money. So while I hope we get some genuinely good Project DIVA games (or, at least, get Denuvo removed from MegaMix+)...well, I wouldn't hold my breath.
@@ShroudedWolf51 dude did you even played sekai before if it a yes and you got lure into dem "predatory micropayments" then it's your damn fault mate
@@VegasFlatline Gacha games are a fancy word for gambling. I am literaly a PJSK player and the gacha is predatory as hell. Not to mention scoring and tiering to get top 100 on events require A LOT of investment for a F2P compared to a whale.
@@taikofangirl9590 fuck do you cared about tiering for lol
And gacha in this game are not that bad it give me 4 star every now and again and im free player
its so sad to see project sekai replace project diva. Its still really fun and its way better then i feel a lot of people give it credit for :(
edit: now i wanna say, i *really* love project sekai too. i don’t really have a problem with it. it’s pretty bittersweet to see project diva like this, but obviously it’s good to welcome new games, especially when they are as good as project sekai :)
I agree 100%
#SaveProjectDIVA
I agree, they seem to be following the wave in the mobile gacha market imo and it's obviously working..I am saving for cards too 😭 I may sound biased after saying that, but it's understandable for Sega as a business to take this course..especially for a money grab- but it wasn't fair to leave Project Diva fans dry regardless...but I'm glad Pjsk is still a Vocaloid game..which means the fandom is still very much alive despite not being what it used to be
I left Project DIVA for Project SEKAI because I just liked the 20 original characters. Most people I've asked said that they liked Project SEKAI's art style better and they liked the fact that it was a rhythm game with story.
To be fair, it hasnt gotten as much exposure. And when youre against a free game anyone can play thats even more accessible to new players.. i mean it’s obvious
I don't play any rythym games, but I always liked project diva just for the MVs and exposure the songs get in there. I'm happy project sekai seems to be doing well, just because it introduces a new influx of people. I like that most people I talk to at least know some vocaloid songs, where i feel like it used to be a big deal if they even heard a miku song before
#SaveProjectDIVA
I get that a vocaloid fan would be glad about the exitence of prosekai for the exposure it gives, but as a rhythm gamer, that game is a blight on the genre. People treat this predatory gambling simulator with a generic mania game tacked on like it's the pinnacle of mobile rhythm games. It overshadows all the cool innovative titles that actually have fair business models. Give it a few more years and the last good mobile game genre is lying dead on a pile of identical gacha games.
@@EllaKarhu Ikr the difference between turn based gacha and rhythm is that if you only there's for gameplay you doesn't even need to touch any gacha at all to get full experience except probably tutorial gacha that some game forced you to get a dip
im consider myself on casual side only play 5 songs a day more or less to spent all energy and still found myself getting mvp from time to time and have too much song ticket that probably last one , a half year even though i bought everysong now and dump trucks of diamond because sekai suddenly change amount of diamond you get from story
and if you want them full skill exp that much you had ranked match if you mf want to deal with them terrminator ass then go im just gonna flexing them full combo ex/ms while has lowest score
I really hope the fans continue making great rythym games to add on to Project Diva...I really don't want this franchise to die!
#SaveProjectDIVA
I find myself playing project diva less and less these days. I find project diva to be the better game than sekai, but I just wish it had as much funding and support as sekai. The new songs kept me coming back, and if Diva had that support, I'd ditch sekai in a heartbeat tbh. The gacha is exhausting and I'm not a big fan of the other non vocaloid characters. I love Miku, I love project diva, and I want to see the franchise thrive again dang it!
I'd also love the character based story elements implemented in the console games again like in Project Diva X
@Hatsune MIku I know that, I just don't pkay them often I guess.
#SaveProjectDIVA
Sekai is like heavily based on its story in events and the main story
Also yes the characters looked pretty boring and bland (except like rui lol)
But the more i learned about them the more i got attached
They are usually people who have been hurt that want to be there for others
I came to prosekai after bandori and d4dj
And it just felt nice that the characters felt like real characters
Not merchandise
(Also trans rep lets goo
@@miigi-p4939 this!^
@Hatsune MIku I just don't care about the characters
It would be really interesting to see Project Diva go the route of Clone Hero where fans just make an open-source version of the game that supports existing maps and just port and/or make their own maps with MMD and a map editor. May never have the polish of the original games, but it would still open up the door for fans to make their own challenges or even silly meme maps that get people interested in the game. Could even lead to people getting creative with models/dances/tracks that have nothing to do with vocaloid.
#SaveProjectDIVA
Project Heartbeat has it's own songs, lets you add all of the songs from Mega Mix+ and you can get more songs made by the community
It would be funny to me seeing that they would use mikumikudance since I do use that to animate lol
look into the Project Eden mod lmao
PPDxxx is already diva's own clone hero but it doesn't support 3d mvs, I'd say f2nd's edit mode is the superior choice in that regard
Honestly my main issue with Diva is that their setlists are stuck in the past. The amount of songs we had in this series from 2011 - 2013 just doesn't make sense. I get the huge amount of og songs because Diva is a nostalgia factor and I tend to prefer older songs as well. But honestly Sekai did so much better with the already existing songs they added because every era is represented as much as the others are. Not only the eras but the diffrent genres in Vocaloid as well
Personally I love the song list for Project Diva. I’m a huge fan of the older vocaloid songs (World is Mine, Tengaku, etc), I don’t really like how Project Sekai songs are basically almost all covers of songs. I do like the inclusion of darker songs such as Lost one’s weeping
@@dreamingmiyuki I'm also a huge sucker for older songs but I like also seeing newer songs represented. Also if you dislike the covers you still can play with the original song
@@gretaonneken7988 oh! I didn’t know that. Thanks for telling me :))
Honestly the most of the newer songs just sounds way too robotic than the older, I think Orangestar was one of the few who can actually tune it to sounds like those in the older era of vocaloids. By no means I'm and expert at vocaloid or music at all but the older songs just sounds better to me, I don't really have to rely on reading lyrics or subtitle to enjoy the songs because I can hear them clearly
*babe wake up new Ubnubmaster video*
thats what IM sayin
When i first played project diva 2nd I thought it was so cool that they used fan illustrations and producers could submit their songs. That’s the thing that made me fall in love with this franchise, that fact that it’s basically built buy the fans. I’m sad to see this be slowly taken away, especially since I’m trying to become a producer myself. I hope project diva comes back or makes a good ending for this franchise.
This. Even when I only got into it when megamix came out, this was my interpretation, and it's what drew me into the game and vocaloid in a whole.
Its official; project diva has died as of april 2024. They have discontinued diva due to production costs, and SEKAI is the new focus
I heard this too but found out it wad fake I thought?
this might sound cheesy, but project diva's mvs helped me find my calling. as a kid, i would watch them all the time and i was obsessed with any that had a story or broke the mold of taking place on a boring stage. i began to fall in love with the connection of sound to visuals, regardless of if the subject matter really made sense with the song. because of these games, i learned that what i really wanted to do in life was become a creative director/storyboard artist for other rhythm games like project diva. every time i'd watch an mv, i'd feel like i was being sucked into another world, and that's a feeling i want to be able to give myself and others with my work. without project diva i wouldn't have been able to realize what i loved, or at the very least, i wouldn't have been able to experience it. it helped me discover vocaloid (though i'm sure i would have found it anyway, i don't know if i can confidently say i'd be as pulled in as i was without the mvs), and that's been the number one factor that's stayed constant in my day to day for my whole life since then.
so you can imagine how someone like me felt when seeing the game revert to bland, uninspired mvs... i was sort of crestfallen. there are so many good ideas out there to come to fruition, but instead, every thing was just... boring. mvs where the creator had an idea and a passion help breathe new life into music. without it, i started to fall off of the series. PLUS THE GAMES WERE JUST GETTING TOO PRICEY
but i could go on for hours about project diva mvs and how much they mean to me. the first game i got was mirai dx, and i think a lot of the mvs in there will always be my favorites. KOKORO. THE MV FOR KOKORO GIVES ME CHILLS. especially with the 3d effects on... call me cringe, but it was BREATHTAKING.
i am project diva mv lover number one ANY OTHER PROJECT DIVA MV LOVERS PLEASE CONTACT ME /hj
and don't get me wrong, i adore project sekai. the gameplay is fun, the writing is great, and the characters are captivating. i love having a vocaloid rhythm game at my fingertips without having to spend a fortune (COUGH COUGH), and the songs in it are ALL FANTASTIC. the way the game commissions songs is super fun too and i love getting to see my favorite producers featured. but... god. those 3d models are CRUSTY AS ALL HELL... the mvs are so bare minimum with a few that i do actually like (ego rock's is really good imo! it reminds me a lot of two sided lovers in project diva). the features are nice, but lord it doesn't look great. another game, ensemble stars, has really good 3d models, even if their mvs aren't as dynamic at times (but on average, i think the camera work is WAY better (and camera work is one of the most important aspects to making interesting mvs imo), and in the newer songs they do a great job at implementing new locations during the mvs because they have really big stages with a lot of variety).
also you are literally the best. being a vocaloid nerd and finding a vocaloid video essayist feels like HEAVEN, 'cus it's like finding a person who completely understands everything you love... it's like... FINALLY SOMEONE WHO GETS IT!! keep making content because you slay so hard
you just wrote what i havent been able to say, those models look really crusty and crunchy, and its been bugging me so much i always prefer lite over 3dmv
@@guacamolegrimacevomit THIS THIS THIS… LITE MODE IS SO MUCH BETTER it makes me feel more connected to the song honestly! idk what it is? also the 2d mvs are great imo! i love getting to see art of the characters WAYYY more than the 3d models. i will not lie though, i get why people like the 3d mvs since you can put different characters and outfits in them LIKE I SEE THE APPEAL JUST…
@@ShoujoISMs I FEEL SO UNDERSTOOD RN 。・°°・(＞△＜)・°°・。
Shoujoism in the wild
The reason the songs do not get ported over is due to licence agreements for the songs. Most of the time, a song is signed for a set amount of title release/s or sega has signed agreement to be able to use the song for all titles. Each licence agreement for a song is very expensive. The DLC cost is due to the licence fee they have to pay to even put the song in the game. Much less due to sega just not wanting to put songs in the game and overcharging the fanbase for money. They are not the solo owner of Hatsune Miku/Vocaloid. They have to pay song writers for the song's use. If they were to put all songs in the base game without the use of DLC. The base game's price would be insane due to the licence agreements. Other points in the video do stand though
Sega doesn't have issues with that and regalities do exist. Sega is just being lazy
to add to this, edit mode isnt on modern games because the ps4 and switch do not have any kind of multimedia support. what would be the point of having edit mode if you can only make your custom charts for the songs already in the game
@@ROBORACCOON64 Do you think they would have added Edit Mode into Mega Mix+ had they had the resources to do so? PC's basically the opposite of modern consoles in that respect.
@@russelldoty2743 i think that they would have actually, there might even have been a good reason to not do it (as an example of many others, edit mode might have been too outdated being meant for the console games and its lack of support for arcade mechanics such as multis and sliders would have made it hard to add with their budget)
@@ROBORACCOON64 That's why I said "had they had the resources to do so." The budget the game actually got was probably too low to even consider such a thing. If they had the budget to do so, I could see them doing an updated Edit mode built for PC and Arcade-style gameplay.
It’s been very sad seeing this decline happen. I think it was really solidified with Project Sekai, and MegaMix+.
It’s been extremely long since an original project diva game came out that wasn’t just a diva port. I think megamix was a test of the waters, but was killed by the extremely high price tags on dlc. I’m unsure how to feel about MegaMix+, I’m torn between it being a interest gauge before they make a final decision on the fate of the series, or just a way to get the very last of money project diva has left to milk.
I feel like a big fumble on SEGA’s part was making an arcade game in the first place. Most people in the fandom ( including myself ), prefer the games before arcade for the personality they had. Tons of features that were impossible to add to an arcade game, and SEGA never bothered implementing in the console ports. Chart creation and Vocaloid interactions were the main parts I missed. They added so much charm and personality into the game and added a lot of value to me.
I also feel like the graphics and chance times had less effort put into them. Small touches like Len’s hair swaying in the Paradichlorobenzene intro card added a nice touch, and if I’m not mistaken some chance times were literally removed from Project Diva ( Clover Club? ). I also just personally prefer the older graphics but thats personal taste.
Project Diva X was ( although lacking in content ), a breath of fresh air. The storyline although lacking was cute, song selection was amazing ( although again, lacking ), the Clouds were a cute idea, I loved the modules, concerts and medleys were great for replayability, and they bought back Vocaloid interactions ( although more limited than F/F2nd ).
Project Diva X gave me hope that SEGA still genuinely had care for the series, as I could see a lot of love and care put into that game. However, they never reached that level again. After Project Diva X we were limited to just regular Arcade.
I’m not trying to say that Arcade is bad, or that “Arcade Killed The Series” ( I love arcade, it has merit ), but in my opinion it was instrumental in Project Diva’s downfall. They got rid of half of the features, and then patched it up with more songs and sliders.
Another reason that I mentioned was Project Sekai. I feel like Project Diva’s era has passed in a way. The current market is mainly Mobile Rhythm games or Rhythm games with a gimmick. Project Sekai took a modern spin on a vocaloid game and it clearly worked. A lot of this comes down to marketing & exposure in my opinion. Adding original characters was genius, as people who came for recognizable vocaloids will get attached and start to be fans of characters, ( thus memes, social media posts, ect ). Another thing that really helped Project Sekai was that it wasn’t limited to cryptonloids exclusively. Sure, mainly, but even a few extra options opens up so many good songs.
I’m glad that community efforts are keeping its legacy alive.
tldr sega fumbled projectdiva until it was too late and its era was over. if you read this mismatched rant i thank you for your time
Not a mismatched rant just great writing thank you Rin!
As sad as this makes me, it is true that Project Diva has really fallen off. I'm a huge fan of the older games and I'll always hold a special place in my heart for them but I don't think PD will ever achieve its former glory again. Great video as always!
im gonna be honest, i dont like project sekai that much. i played it before and it was nice, but i feel like some things have changed. i saw the romeo and cinderella mv and the only thing i was sad about is that they removed the iconic hip move. romeo and cinderella was my favorite song ever since i was a kid and i would always dance with miku whenever i see that mv. and you can sometimes tell that they dont care about the vocaloids that much anymore by hearing the awful tuning in some songs. and i also feel like theyre making new fans get mixed up by adding human characters. ive seen project sekai players get confused and say "emu otori is my favorite vocaloid!" or "hatsune miku existed since 2020 (the year release of project sekai)" and when i see anything similar my heart slowly shatters into pieces.
LITERALLYY It makes me so upset, I could rant about how vocaloids are treated in pjsekai and it's fans for hours, it's super frustrating. I wish I could've lived the vocaloid hype era around the 2010's so badly but I was too young☹️
REALLLL I feel like people forgot about the vocaloids, they only focus on the human characters and that really makes me sad
the emu thing is 100% satire i promise you 😭
God, yes, I miss the version of World’s End Dance Hall from Project Diva 😿
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well, goodbye diva. I love this game so much that it has become a part of my life. Man, still hope one day sega change their mind...
this just pains me to see. PD was a big part of my childhood, both the games and content creators, and seeing it die out makes me feel as if that part of my past is dying too. watching PD videos makes me feel nostalgic, instead of enjoying the moment. seeing the vocaloid community in general slowly decline is one of the saddest things i've ever bear witness too, as this has been the biggest thing in my life for as long as i can remember. it's a true love, a true passion. i can wish and dream as much as i'd like, and maybe it'd come true someday, but i know that vocaloid is declining. and it pains me.
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5 days ago I made a comment on a meme video saying that vocaloid is kinda on life support and people have been saying its not however to me it feels like it is on a downfall
the video is called The Actual Names Of Popular Meme Songs (Part 1) by meme theory
my comment has 22 likes rn it might be easy to find I dont know how many big comments there are though
this video just proves my point from 5 days ago even if people say it isnt declining
I totally understand, fellow tearful Diva enjoyer ; ;
You mention lackluster MV's, and I can't help but think of Wowaka's World's End Dancehall. I absolutely loved the MV used in Future Tone and the older games, and to see that Mega Mix got rid of it completely was nothing short of a tragedy.
Edit: Oh hey, you specifically mentioned this one. Glad to know I'm not alone!
That was a really instructive but also a really sad video. It really sucks to see a franchise you love decline that way and even if Project Sekai picked up the fan content contests, things like the editor, the cinematic mv and the full songs are now a thing of the past and that's a shame.
I do think that Diva being also very much a product of its time didn't help at all too: rythm games now are thriving more on mobile than on consoles and arcade, Diva's is reluctant to add new tracks (something mentioned in the video) and thus ages more and more over time, and finally Diva's "vocaloids are the stars" approach is now less common than sekai's "vocaloids support OC stories and the carreer of new musicians" approach (at least that's the impression I got).
The last point especially means that Diva fans resent Sekai ten folds because it alienates them, while Sekai fans often don't understand the importance of Diva and why people like it so much, leading to conflicts and that's a shame really.
I love Sekai a lot. I like the gameplay better than Diva, it has a song selection that speaks more to me, I love the human character and their stories and beyond the money grabbing, that game do feel like a love letter to vocaloid music. But I still wish for Project Diva to thrive, and if Sega drops the ball, I hope fans keep having fun with their own mods and freeware equivalents.
Honestly, seeing pjdiva fans being so resentful of pjsekai and it’s players in this comment section makes me so sad bcuz it shows how neglected pjdiva was to the point where it divided the fandom, hopefully sega can revive pjdiva somehow
@@whiteasparagus4331 Same. The game experience is different so I don't feel Sekai can ever replace Diva, but the feeling that it does is probably making Diva fans extra bitter. The renewed interest in Vocaloid in general could hopefully push them to make a new Diva game with a more modern track list but since Sekai is more in tune with the current market and makes them buttloads of money, I doubt it. I think the best hope for Diva might be to go the Osu/Clone Hero route: if Sega does not step up, fans are gonna do it themselves.
i’ve never had the opportunity to play the project diva games because i wasn’t a vocaloid fan until recently, but i watched this video anyways because i wanted to learn about the history of this sort of thing… it’s really saddening to see how much i’ve miss, but i’m glad those who Do Know are talking about it! thank you for making long form essay/analysis videos about vocaloid content! it’s a combination of genres i’ve wanted for a while!
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You still can play it lol
Here a year later,the recent announcement breaks my heart
May I know what announcement it is?
I love ProSeka. I still love Project Diva. But it breaks my heart the way Sega did Diva and its fans dirty. I really hope they can turn things around before it's too late, but I know that's never going to happen. Vocaloid, Project Diva, and Magical Mirai will always have a place in my heart but when the medium moves on, you move on with it or be left behind to grow bitter.
To finally answer the question
Sadly, yes, it really is now
What happened?
@@Adebupto make it short basically the series had already been slowly declining due to the failure of project diva x thanks to low reception from fans thanks to the gacha mechanics they added for unlocking modules and accessories, removing the shop from past games entirely + the small songlist
So a lot of these mechanics were repurposed to make project sekai, and since that’s the game that’s making sega and Crypton money now it’s taken Diva’s place as the main “vocaloid” game (even though the vocaloids are pushed back for the original characters instead of being the main focus)
I mean, I only downloaded sekai FOR the Vocaloids. And it's really awesome that it does include songs sung by NON-Crypton Vocaloids. Like Lower Ones Eyes by VFlower. And its also cool that they pay people to make covers of certain songs with other Vocaloids, like when Len got to sing Doctor Funk Beat. But it feels like the Vocaloids really take a backseat to these human singers. Which, I get it, it makes sense, the humans are real people getting paid for doing their job and singing these songs and voicing these characters, and the more work they get the better for them. But I seriously miss Project Diva F, F2nd and X. I didn't even care about the fact that the games came out so close together and were always really similar. I was fine with that, they could keep the playstyle that way forever and I'd be fine with it and keep buying them. I have both the Japanese copy of F2nd and the English one and completed both. I have all the PSP games. I have all the 3DS ones, heck, I even bought a Japanese 3DS so I could play the Japanese Mirai game. All the PS3 ones as I said already. I have Future Tone on my PS4 and Megamix on my Switch. I even bought an arcade style controller for the switch for the game. I am loyal to this franchise until the grave. Vocaloid is EXTREMELY important to me, and the games are as well. So it hurts how little attention and care has been directed toward it recently.
Tbh the trade back I have seen is that older vocaloid fans tend to stay on Project Diva or at least prefer it over Prosekai, which leads to problems. The rest of this comment is more of my opinion.
I remember there was a conversation how it seems that sega prefers the younger audience prosekai gives them since it gives more profit to an extent (this is more of a debated argument rather than a general consensus), something project diva can barely give due to the complications (game cost, overall learning curve of the game as I have observed). Which wouldn't be that bad if not for the fact this gives this situation where project diva community suffers due to the lack of support, but at the same time some might not be able or would never transition to prosekai due to it's focus on attaining such audience. It's not to say the transitions can't happen and that prosekai only has minors in it. But this definitely sets for a situation where the newer fan generation's lack of interaction with the older generation to lead in community problems that can bite prosekai back if it did not happened already.
So you have a community full of dedicated people being left in the ditch and a community being spoiled in favor of profit, with a harsh transition in between.
Prosekai did brought the creativity back through song contests, costume contests and overall more interaction to the community. That budget probably makes it possible for them, not to mention they aren't obligated to put full ver charts of the songs in a rhythm gacha game. But it somewhat stings knowing prosekai community may have a harder time reaching what Project Diva has in it's interactions with itself, or might never even be able to do so
I'm a die-hard PSP2nd# fan. Cantarella was the first mv I saw on youtube and it got me to import my first Diva game (PSP2nd#). The whole thing was just such a delight. And not only that, I love how the characters were ALWAYS on the menu with you during song choices and module choices, like they were a pocket pet or something. And I love the emotion system too. Use them more and win a lot and they become happy. Lose and not use them and they get sad and angry. Haku, Neru, and Sakine Meiko weren't dlc either and were included and had unique menu animations in conjunction with the emotion system. The game had difficulty spikes and was mostly fair until Gekishou came up, but it was all around solid and I can easily go back to it tomorrow.
Something I didn't notice when i first got the game were the SEGA references to other IPs until much later and I find using these modules much more fun than before, especially with the head swapping FT provides. However, I dont see the SEGA IP module references like that anymore. Space Channel 39 and EoE/RoF Rin were my favorites of this bunch.
Also, remember when Grumpy Waltz was on PSPDiva1
That game CHUGGED HARD but it was one of the most cinematic MVs I have seen for that game's age? The amount of ambition in it, even the game itself despite having a big number of 2D image stages. I forgive it as it was the first game, but would never forgive it if it was pulled in a modern day title unless it was an alternate choice.
I was super disappointed that Dramaturgy didn't get a 3D mv. They give songs in the game choices to be the original mv or the 3D mv. Hilariously enough, you can choose between Electric Angel's PSPDiva1 and PDExtend versions of the 3D mv. Yet for the new songs we got for Mega39s, nothing. And they're mostly all Miku minus Roki which you couldn't even change the modules for so it was still a 2D mv more or less, ESPECIALLY for the ones where it had other vocaloids featured. I'm also disappointed by PDX but that's another whole subject with more grievances that at first i was angry, then I had forgiven, but now feel soured by once more.
ALSO TO ADD CAN WE TALK ABOUT HOW NO LOGIC'S FUTURE TONE VERSION WAS BUTCHERED BY HOW THE SONG WAS CUT. YOU GET SKELETON ORCHESTRA AND LILIA KEPT BUT NOT NO LOGIC AND IT HURTS BECAUSE I DO NOT WANT TO GO BACK TO MIRAI'S GAMEPLAY. I wish Do-Re-Mi-Fa-Rondo was playable something better but the shiryoku kensa Gumi cameo would have been a no-no
I'm still torn if i should buy Project Diva FT/39s mega version on PC. It would save me the trouble of booting up my ps4 to play, but with how the series has been treated the last few years i feel a bit burned out. There is modding but I don't want to do extensive mod work. I don't want to emulate the games either, as I want to buy these games again in their original vanilla states. I would love nothing more than a rerelease port of the original PSP trilogy but be able to play the songs on a master list with all modules. Same for the F series. Only issue with PSP would be the first game. I think I remember in 3D model ripping circles mention that their models are higher poly supposedly, so then they had to alter them, with these ones possibly being used in the Ashes to Ashes moving doll montage. This was years ago so for all I know it could be false and not be an issue.
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Its painful to say, but you're exactly right. Project Diva hasn't gotten the love it deserves. In fact, a lot of the physical arcade machines still arent even updated properly (from my experience of the one near me in Japan). Its not even just Project Diva, Miku herself has just become... like a designer fashion brand. Sega will sell anything with her name and face on it, but it wont have the care it needs, from concerts to merch to even her newest Voice bank.
If Sega can make money, that's all they give a damn about, and it's such a shame.
thank you for the video a lot! it is very upsetting to watch how the franchise is going more and more mediocre with each new release, but I’m always relieved to hear someone noticed all of these changes as well. it is heartwarming to know that there are still people like you who are so passionate about project diva out there :’)
let’s hope for a better future for the series
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Roki isn't even an actual MV, it's just a premade 3d MV. You're stuck with that model of Rin and Len.
Project Sekaie is nice, it adds some much needed popular songs, and song not just from the main 5 Vocaloids but the fact that songs are even shorter is SO annoying, like a min, I hate it. It's so hard to just vibe with the song.
Shorter songs are better if you are trying to FC it. If you want the full thing, it would have Been uploaded into the youtube channel
@@marmedalmond9958 I don't just want to listen to the song, I want to play it.
I think it ruins FC sometimes, if I know the song and it suddenly goes from first verse to the end I'm gonna mess up. And some of them are badly cut too.
Who’s here after project diva was confirmed by the developers that it’s over? 😭😭
Your analysises in many ways manage to put what I've been feeling about Vocaloid for so long into words, thank you.❤ The community deserves better from Sega, but I'll unfortunately remain doubtful of a project diva revival.
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This is a great video, really articulates well a lot of the issues with Project Diva that I had noticed as well, even as someone who hasn't played nearly as much or for as long as you have.
I can't emphasize how much the complete removal of all the non-rhythm game elements, the little social sim stuff, and a lot of other little details, really hurt the charm and character of the series compared to the older games. There's a bunch of little things that maybe don't matter much individually but added up to make the series just feel more playful in general than it is now. Like how new songs now often omit missed vocals option or multiple singer options, or how they removed the characters saying and celebrating the rating at the end screen, or how the old main menus had actual models of your characters instead of just static images... the experience now feels a lot more clinical and sterile, like a barebones vehicle to deliver the Project Diva gameplay instead of a true celebration of Vocaloid fandom and Vocaloid culture. And luckily the gameplay that it does deliver is still as fun and good and timeless as ever, but instead of being in an overall package that created a feeling that these characters were really performing these songs in Miku's world, it just feels like the bare minimum to get the gameplay on new platforms.
And you're right, it's really hard to not recommend playing them still when the core gameplay is still fun and the problems require this sort of nuanced critique, but it's a shame that it doesn't feel like the series is where it could/should be.
im seeing a lot of distaste for project sekai in the comments which to some degree i understand. i became a vocaloid fan in 2012 and played the project diva games long before sekai came out. project sekai is very different and treats the vocaloids as something malleable. but as a long time fan, thats something i like about it. project sekai feels like its reflecting the ways producers have interpreted the vocaloids with personalities and identities before. and in the case of the original non-vocaloid characters, their stories reflect the way music can be a respite or for self expression. one of the main stories centers around the way vocaloid music can help with depression and expressing emotions that are otherwise really difficult to put into words. thats something ive often felt and why i love producers like wowoka, kairiki bear, and many others.
that said, it is also a shame to see the stagnation that the project diva series has undergone. sekai to me is so fundamentally different from diva as a rhythm game. tapping music to beats may be the core of both games, but the interface and difference in controls makes for a wildly different experience. sekai cant replace diva even if its trying to. i really hope sega reconsiders the model for the project diva games and tries to create a series that builds on rather than takes from what came before. itd also be great to see dlc used to its full potential. despite dlc being used throughout the series, it tends towards just adding old songs again rather than bringing in fresh, recent songs. and old songs are important but in terms of growing divas popularity, new songs would also help bring in new fans.
rhythm games in general are just a legal mess. There's literally no incentive for big companies to make them due to licensing fees (which are not a single pay thing and need to be constantly renewed to be valid) and having to compete with things like osu which are quite literally doing a better job by virtue of them being completely illegal in the first place. I don't think a single AAA company benefits from making rhythm games at all. The ones that still do are either constantly reusing decades old assets like namco with taiko or the just dance series or they limit song lists to their own IPs like square and atlus. Project diva the way it was in F and F2nd was never going to make a real profit and things could only realistically go downhill from there.
The fact that the song "Dissaperance Of Hatsune Miku" went from saving the character/Vocaloid to be some kind of Epitah again makes me sad
A huge reason I love the project diva series is the music videos and modules. I loved collecting the modules by doing challenges and getting achievements. This gave you incentive to play the game. That being said, I think that there hasn't been a good project diva game since F2nd. The music videos are filled with so much detail, have great coreo, and maybe even tell a cool story. I miss them so much. Not to mention F2nd had the edit mode which allowed for even more creativity. I personally believe that a good way to bring back the series would to be to release a game that mixes the elements of F2nd and Future done. Have there be 30-40 brand new songs with new music videos and new modules. Have there be challenges to unlock modules and maybe even to unlock songs. Keep the old songs and have them be unlockable through challenges too maybe. And most importantly, keep the edit mode because this will allow the game to continuously get new content.
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Right now in Japan it is July 2nd, marking Project Diva’s 15th anniversary, happy birthday diva, I miss you
Is project diva worth bring back? Absolfuckinlutley. I cannot stand mobile gaming and want a real console project diva game again. I downloaded sekai and played it once and wasn’t impressed at all
Honestly, I find the gaming a super big downgrade. Yeah, it's mobile and can't do much, but recently it just seems like theyre just adding a bunch of notes randomly to make it hard and that's it. It's just not as fun tbh. Only thing I like are the cards and some sekai designs but overall I'm really tired of seeing this game, the vocaloids aren't even tuned well. don't get me started on the fans either😭
i knew something was up with project diva since x has come out but i couldnt put my finger on it because im not very good with words, but this whole video. all of it. really did for me. thank you so much for making this and helping me pick up the pieces to figure out why as of recent its been so difficult to like the newest entries of this series. we can only hope for a better future for vocaloid fans and future project diva games if there are some to come.
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Even though it's been overshadowed by Project Sekai, I feel like Project DIVA is and should be worth bringing back if SEGA did maybe five things:
1. Keep the game similar to the concept of Vocaloid like they did before, have everything up to interpretation with fan and creator alike. No story mode or different story modes.
2. Have the community involved like last time. If people were able to post their ideas for modules and loading screens on Pixiv and Piapro back in the day for SEGA to notice, keep it going. Same would apply to the Edit PV contests back in the day. Community involvement was what made the first 3 games what they were, in my opinion.
3. Someone has said it before and I agree with them. Get permission from other companies and use more voicebanks (not just GUMI). People use other voicebanks with Crypton loids all the time and Project DIVA can be used as a means of introducing people to other vocal synths, rather than just looking at Vocaloid Wiki, UA-cam, or NicoNico. Like, get permission to use the songs and likenesses of Gakupo, Lily, IA, flower, Utatane Piko, VY1 and VY2, Zola Project, Otomachi Una, Oliver, Ruby, Yohioloid, Sweet ANN, Big AL, Prima and Tonio, the loids from AHS. Heck, while they're at it, Crypton and SEGA should recognize more derivatives such as the genderbend versions of some Crypton loids, such as, but not limited to, KAIKO, MEITO, Hatsune Mikuo, Kagamine Rinto & Lenka, and Megurine Luki. Maybe even add derivative characters like Zatsune Miku or Juon Kiku, since other Miku derivatives like Hachune, Caine Ca, Mikudayo, and Shiteyann'yo are included with Haku and Neru. Lastly, get permission to use the likenesses and voicebanks of newer vocal synths such as maybe Eleanor Forte, Rikka Koharu, Maki Tsurumaki, and KAFU, since they've been becoming popular in the past five or so years. Turn the series into the Super Smash Bros Ultimate or Mugen of rhythm games. Have the fans do what they do best with them and have them create modules and songs for them.
4. Give Kagamine Rin her flowers and make PVs of all of her DLC songs from DIVA 1. She was robbed of five songs with new, fabulously remade PVs that could have happened, but didn't and I'm still salty about it! I mean, the songs are somewhat outdated now unless you've been a day 1 Kagamine fan, but it's not too late to breathe new life into these songs and introduce them to a new audience.
5. An awareness of older songs. Yes, companies like SEGA are basically using what's popular in the moment, but there are loads of older songs from other vocal synths that aren't Miku that need love and recognition. Like I said with the Rin songs, they might be outdated, but they can be given new life to new audiences if they were introduced to them through the game.
SEGA just needs to see that there are people that still love the series and want to see it keep going or have a new creative director for the series who wants to see it thrive and continue.
This is all amazing, we could do without the gender bend versions though
Be it Sonic or Miku, it seems Sega has been losing their touch with fans more and more as years go by, as a kid/teen i didn't have the money to buy the Project Diva games and would mostly just listen to the songs and watch the AMVs on UA-cam so even if i know it's not the best i could get, MegaMix is the first version of PD i could buy on an accessible console i love, still it's really frustrating to know a lot of songs i enjoy are locked behind VERY expensive paywalls. Sega is losing their passion for the gaming market and other than the obligatory Yakusa games I'm sure they're required to make, series like Sonic, PD, Monkey Ball, Bayonetta, hell even Persona are on a slow decline into becoming soulless cashgrabs, it's sad to see a company with many franchises i love falling apart in such a scummy way, let's hope for a miracle and that they don't end up like Konami
I get way too sad and annoyed than I should about it, but it really does suck watching the soul get sucked out of Project Diva.
Just about all the community aspects are gone, MVs have been completely pushed to the side, and outside of songs it's almost like the Vocaloids are barely there at all. None of them even get to say 'sega' when booting the game anymore
Something that doesn't sit right with me in project diva x is that the entire song for humorous dream of Ms pumpkin is in the game all its assets and she sings and dances to it. The problem is that it's in a completely different mode called concert editor. I found this out years ago but I couldn't find any comments on it here.
I remember getting so excited for diva x when it released, and was pretty crushed. Even as a kid that game did not sit well with me, I really wanted edit mode in the game, but it had like some picture mode/ a mode where you could change the camera angles. The shift is even noticeable in the end credits where before they had the leek shooting game there was just nothing. This video specifically the ending sections hit, and it makes me really sad. This franchise is one of my favorites, and it has been for the past 6 years.
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We need to let SEGA know that,we don’t want stupid mobile game,we still love Project DIVA.
AND we need updates!
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The more bright "World's end dance hall" MV was the start of my Miku vs Luka era tbh
As a newer vocaloid fan (I joined the fandom in 2019) I have grown attached to the Project Diva game series. I may not have grown up with the older project diva titles but I do love the series a lot, and it has a special place in my heart. I hate seeing my favorite game series decline in popularity and in quality. I have tried playing Project Sekai in the past and I didn't like it very much, I didn't like how the 20 characters switched the focus of the game. It felt like the six other vocaloids were pushed to the side even though Miku, Rin, Len, etc. are so important to vocaloid as a whole. Not to mention the cheap gacha system. All in all I prefer Project Diva over Project Sekai but I can't help but want more from the series. I want something different and unique. Project Diva is the reason I started liking vocaloid and for a lot of others as well. I only hope the best for the series. Sorry for this long rant.
LITERALLY ME I joined the fandom around 2018, and I feel this exact way. It makes me so sad to see what I missed out on and what is going on now. I really hope it gets better, even if it's a bit unrealistic.
I was so happy to finally be able to play now that it’s on PC, but I definitely see where you’re coming from. I also play Project Sekai, and you can tell that there is a lot more love put into it by the devs with how well it’s handling it’s story and all the 2d and 3d MVs coming out for it. It’s almost a shame it’s a mobile game though, cause you can tell they have to cut corners on the 3d MVs and even then my phone still cooks my hands after a few minutes of continuous play
If you have a PC why don't you use blustacks or something like that to emulate android and play it on PC? if using your phone is that bad I mean.
@@zeibozcozz5067 I honestly never though about doing that. But I’m not sure how well that would work because of the touch screen controls. I might look into it and see if anyone else has tried that
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As someone whose first Project Diva game was MegaMix, it makes me really sad that the franchise is already dying. I finally had a console to play Project Diva on, only to get bored because there was only 101 songs, not having the money to buy all the DLCs. Plus even if I did have a PS4 or whatever, Miku is literally older than me so I didn't even know what Vocaloid was until around 2019.
Making a game for Switch made it more accessible, but on mobile too? They probably knew Project Sekai would blow up globally, which is good for the company, but opening up a game franchise to everyone isn't always a good thing for long-time fans. It's fun having people to talk to in that community, but when the community becomes kids on TikTok etc., it can be less enjoyable. As someone who's had a massive Vocaloid obsession since I found out about it, that's partly why I quit Project Sekai anyway, idk how others feel about it.
Not saying that old fans are necessarily leaving, but this new, highly accessible game has opened up Vocaloid to so many people, it's going to be different forever. New fans naturally won't be that interested in Project Diva because they have Project Sekai which gets updated frequently, is portable and has more characters.
I’m really glad you made this video, I remember being 13 and playing project diva f/f2nd/dx, and when x was announced, I preordered it cause I wanted them to keep making games, I even bought ft like 3 separate times lol. As a big fan of the franchise, I really hope they end up making a new game sometime, it’s honestly been so sad seeing it decline, I was so excited that the arcade mvs from dx were so beautiful, and then they just… stopped making them, the fact that glow will probably never get an arcade pv saddens me.
As a Project Sekai player who's never played a Project Diva game, I can still feel the impact the franchise's downfall has had on fans. Project Diva has become a shell of its past self, and dare I say it, Project Sekai has pretty much replaced it. I love the old Project Diva pvs, and the new ones just lack any life. It's kinda sad, but it was eventually going to happen.
it's official...
imo project diva is so much better than project sekai. though its largely due to liking the song selection and play style better.
i play both on a daily basis, i really dislike the way some of the songs are edited for sekai and while i dont really love the gacha dimension i do like that you can play as much as you want without energy
i was CRUSHED when my local round 1 got rid of their future tone cabinet
Dude that's heartbreaking, I guess they sell the controllers but it's not the same
I wish they would do a new Project Mirai. That game got so little love from Diva fans. Yes, some of the songs were "easy" (but there are plenty that aren't), but it was actually made for a console controller instead of a simple port of a four button arcade machine. The timings are much more involved than the simple "press buttons at the right moment" of the Diva games.
To be clear: I enjoy Diva too. I just want to see a new game really built for a console come out.
I don't comment often, but I wanted to say that this video is such a beautiful testament to the Diva games and what's become of Vocaloid in general. As someone who came from the same generation, watching videos and revolving my adolescent years to the older games, it crushes me. Now in uni and much older, I revisit the games and have really warmed up to sekai. But sekai is not a Diva game, sekai is a rhthym and gacha game with vocaloids in it. I've been into rhythm games forever and nothing has ever come close to the eternal love I have for the Diva games. I know this comment is one in hundreds that feel the same; but I'd never wanted to wholeheartedly thank someone on UA-cam so much for such a phenomenal, and heartbreaking video.
I like how you had the clip of halo because it's going through it's own crisis not too different from project diva's. Feels like all my old favorite franchises are just being run into the ground.
Growing up I always wanted to play project diva, but because I only had Nintendo consoles and couldn’t import stuff, The only games I’ve played are mirai deluxe and megamix. And honestly the name of megamix alone was ringing alarm bells for me.
My favourite rhythm game franchise is rhythm heaven (/paradise/tengoku) which I have come to terms with the fact it is dead. It released a game called megamix brining back a bunch of the old content and adding very few new stuff while also leaving many old songs abandoned. The similarities are striking and because of consequences around the director I don’t think that game will ever see another entry as much as it pains me.
I would love to see project diva’s return but I know that I probably never will, which is absolutely heartbreaking as a fan who got in late. I’m going to continue playing the switch version, just like I continue playing the last rhythm heaven game, sad this is where it’s probably ended but happy I got to play it at all.
Project Sekai seems to get enough money from whales in JP with little efford.
So Sega doesn't want to go the extra mile and continue the Diva series.
I even doubt they *could* get back to the golden age of F/f2nd/X at this point.
I am glad that I recently got into Vocaloid and have been going through a blast with Megamix+. It's kinda sad to know what this game has been through but that won't stop me from falling in love with the franchise and diving headfirst into the Vocaloid community.
Don't worry if you think the game is dying, we newcomers will be the next generation to keep it alive
Edit: It's kinda sad that they made cuts to the songs (like Patchwork Stacatto or even just the short one on Secret Police). It's again really sad playing them seeing that it's different compared to the one's I see on youtube from the previous games. Also they missed the perfect chance to do an MV for Ohedo Julia Night
I'm also a new Vocaloid fan (since May!) who has been utterly obsessed with MegaMix (on Switch)! I enjoy Project Sekai (mostly for N25), but Project Diva is where my heart's at, since I had subconsciously been dying to play it for a year and a half, before I finally decided to buy it, and then became obsessed. I'm determined to keep the game alive!
The scream i let out. Im so excited to see you upload!
Also, the "never had the means to play before" hurt me because I never had the chance to play this series before Mirai 3Ds and Megamix on the Switch! Never had any sony consoles. ):
Same
Found this game recently when i got a ps5 for the first time, i owned a ps3 but never knew about project diva till now. I play both future tone and mega mix but to see how sega treats their own games now i wouldnt be surprised that this game is under the gutter now. Throwing down project diva fans like that, not much recognition for modding. Its just very sad that AAA companies will just do whatever it takes to kill off any game for money
The only thing really keeping PJD alive is the small community who keep making mods and the people who play them. PJS is thriving since it's so much easier to access, especially for the newest generation of vocaloid fans. I too downloaded it but didn't find it nearly as likeable as PJD so I immediately switched back, but people who already have experience with rhythm games like Bandori won't switch to PJD anytime soon.
It's really sad because I love Project Diva. I tried Sekai but the gameplay is nothing for me. I prefer pushing a button instead of touching the screen. Also I think the distinct pace the individual songs have in Project Diva is better than being able to just set the pace yourself in Sekai.
In Project Diva slow songs are played slowly, the notes move slowly. In Sekai you can just make everything move the same which I think is not the way the songs should be played.
I'll miss Project Diva...
I wish they could've ported in my favorite song :(
It breaks my heart but you are absolutely right in all the points you adressed in this video. Although I have shown up very late for the Miku party about 5-6 years ago, this genre and the community around it has had an everlasting impact on my life. Times do change sadly in a lot of things and I just hope that Project Diva will be able to survive the ordeal.
It honestly makes me really sad to think that the glory days of Project DIVA were already long behind me by the time I came to join this community. Future Tone was responsible for a lot of my early interest in vocaloid, but now, over two years after I first started playing the game, I hardly see myself coming back to it. I really enjoyed the game and all the time I spent with it, but it only TRULY succeeded at getting me to LOVE the music it highlighted, not the game itself. You and I are both fans that came from competely differently eras of vocaloid, and I think it's a shame that newer fans like myself never had a Project DIVA like you did way back when. As much as I love Project Sekai or even Future Tone and Mega Mix for simply being fun, I have to admit that they just don't OVERFLOW with a love and passion for the music they're centered around. That passion still lives with fans both new and old, but there's just something really sad about how the big, mainstream, official Miku games just don't represent that love anymore. I'm at least grateful that since the community has become even bigger and more connected than ever, people like you are able to keep that love and passion for vocaloid alive, even when SEGA can't. Thank you as always for another fantastic video, Ubnub!
I’m gonna be honest. Project sekai is kinda overrated
Don’t get me wrong, I love playing it but it feels to far away from vocaloid. why are there 20 more characters I have to memorize just to play funny miku game? It’s an extremely smooth game but it feels to far away from vocaloid to continuously be advertised as vocaloid game
It's so over.....
Project Diva was the best vocaloid game, honestly. I know pjsk is a game including the vocaloids, but only the main ones. Extra vocaloids like Haku, Neru and Teto are not included and they have new groups that aren’t vocaloids. I really miss project diva sm:( it was such a good game and all of the songs were really good!
Haku, Neru, and Teto are not extra vocaloids
I remember in the past, me and my brother would watch the upcoming song list (like way back pre-F release). Then when they introduced the revamped chance time, we'd always want to see what happens next, or how different it would be compared to the original MV we saw since pjd1-extend. one of my favorite editted MVs were the uraomote lovers and kagerou daze.
When X was released, I was kinda sad about the removal of the "new video" but changed to an outfit transition, but just lived with it. That said, when megamix came in, it just really felt like a port considering the songs have different mechanics. some songs that were first released on the pjd1-extend, but have a F/F2nd counter part, never got the new vid, unlike ones that were first released on F/F2nd. take for example Ai kotoba which had its first appearance on 2nd (also had a dlc on F2nd) compared to, say, What do you mean, that first appeared on F. That said, I'm also glad the modding community decided to bring back the F/F2nd counter part videos instead
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I had my psvita bought just for the project diva, then my switch just for the megamix but ... yea
An amazing analysis. The only thing I think also needs to be stated is that SEGA has also been stepping away from the video game market as well.
Project Diva was always a console franchise and SEGA hasn’t developed their own games for years. The few games/franchises they still Publish are all ran by subsidiaries like Altus, Platinum, and Team Sonic. Project Diva was directly developed by SEGA and they no longer actively partake in that side of the business. Even the gaming subsidiaries that haven’t been extremely profitable are either rumored to be on sale or quietly shuttered.
I miss the old Project Diva so much, like I love Project Sekai but it's just not the same man.
UNIRONICALLY NOW? YES, sadly 😭
at least we know now....
Confession time, i love project diva. Even tho i never play it since i don't have money to spend on the console so my love for them was just from watching MV and watching ppl playing extreme difficulty on YT, it's my first gate into vocaloid back in middle school. i saw many comment being too harsh on SEKAI and kinda sadden me.i agree that the SEKAI fandom is super toxic,i agree that sega shifted focus to SEKAI while lefting DIVA in a dusty shelf. i agree that pd have a much better MV than SEKAI ever did and will not ever a replaceable for DIVA. But on a plus side, regarding if you guys hate it or not. It bring back some of the producers to make music again. All the song are available without spending real money and get updated very often. At least for me, it help for new people to make the vocaloid more... accessable?.
The sad reality is the vocaloid scene changed a lot. And for me, regardless of of you hate it or not, sega make SEKAI is a reasonable choice. They need to adapt
Amazing video, loved the jet set radio soundtrack in the back too
I used to be a project sekai hater for this very reason. But, when I dropped my shame and downloaded the game, I promised to myself: Project Sekai is an extension to these vocaloids, not vice versa. I think I’ve kept my promise.
I've been a fan of vocaloid music for years, it has been such a huge part of my life and impacted who I am. I've listened to vocaloid music since I was 7 years old and I loved project diva more than anything but even I've fell for project sekai. I recently bought MegaMix for my switch and I thought it would get me off project sekai. Up until I got MegaMix I had been telling myself I only played project sekai since I didn't have any way to play project diva after my playstation broke but after having it... I just can't make myself play it. I'm uninterested in it and sure I play it sometimes for nostalgia but I never really sit there just for the sake of playing, at most I'll do one or two songs or just sit and watch MVs. Then with project sekai I spend hours on it, I've grown to be attached to the cast of the game and I love the characters more than I used to be willing to admit. I get more excited over hearing about a song being covered by a unit than to hear one of my favourite producers is releasing a new song. Speaking of producers, the commissioned songs in project sekai are what made me fall inlove with it. Songs like Showtime Ruler or RAD DOGS or Infinitely Grey made me adore the game.
To be honest, the part that makes me the most sad is the fact I'm beginning to prefer the sekai versions of songs I listened to when I was younger. The moment I realized that I cant stand to listen to the original versions of my favourite songs was horrific. I hate project sekai, I love it but at the same time i can't help but wish it never existed. I miss project diva.
i just think of the sekai ver. of the song like Utaitemita cover of vocaloid song just like the old time community driven sake
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.. while inhaling a huge amount of copium xDD
I've been a fan of the project diva series since around 2015 when a friend introduced me to project mirai. i bought future tone sometime around 2017 and have been a dedicated player since. i contemplated buying mega mix but didn't think it was worth it. great video, this topic is one of my biggest interests
I became a vocaloid fan when I first saw Magician Miku performing Miracle Paint on Project Diva. I'm not really a rhythm gamer, but the songs had me hooked and I fell down to the deep hole of the vocaloid fandom. You know you're part of the vocaloid golden age if you still remember Nicosound and how to download from there. It was also thanks to vocaloid that I discovered great Utaite like Wotamin, Elie & Nagi Yanagi.
My first run in with this series was the Demo for F on the ps3. I loved it! It was the game series that made me realize that I enjoyed rythm games and that I was actually good at them! (Not by any sort of youtuber standard, I still only play on hard in Future Tone but I'm content with that ^^)
F2nd was such an improvement on F, more new songs!! Better maps!! Cooler additions to the MVs!! Amazing!
And then I got Mirai DX for my 3DS and I loved that game too!
Different gameplay, but I loved that the songs weren't cut down and I loved that more people could sing the songs!! Oh and the customization of the modules!! Amazing!
And then I got Diva X.... I loved the songs! A lil disappointed that LOL Lots of Laugh was in it again, but eh. I didn't mind the stage MVs personally, I just loved the songs. I liked the addition of the spamming buttons and as much as I personally didn't enjoy the grind fest that was the campaign or the magical girl transformation unlocking of the modules I pulled through and played basically all of it. (Still sad they just gave up on all the songs and modules on here. The modules were so pretty and I loved the medlys!)
And then Future Tone finally released on PS4 I was so hyped!! I got the Japanese version cause I was not convinced that they would release an English version and I played the shit out of it! Buying the different packs when I had money.
And I enjoyed every DLC pack.
But yeah, I also started to feel the loss of content by the time Future Tone DX came out... 1 new module and 2 songs?? Nah, I'm good. They're gonna release the songs eventually for Future Tone.
And they did.
When Mega Mix released I didn't get the game. Even with me owning a switch. I didn't want to buy basically the same game again... Not for 10 new songs. It wasn't worth it to me. And I just waited for the new songs to be released for Future Tone and they did.
I love Future Tone and would love for it to keep getting support but I guess that is a lofty dream at this point... And that honestly makes me sad... But I will still have my copy of Future Tone to play even if I don't play it that much snymore I still come back to it from time to time.. ^^
Diva wasn't my entry to Vocaloid, but it did broaden my horizons.
Sorry that this got so long and rambly,, guess I had a lot to say about this series ^^'
#SaveProjectDIVA
I never got to own the older project diva so when it came out the switch I was excited. But now Im a bit worried for future series. But I believe in the community.
edit: If its dead I can only hope that sega releases modding but that may be hard esp with people who play on consoles. We can only hope.
This video really speaks to me. my first game was f and i bought it after learning tokyo teddy bear was in it, since it was the song that got me into vocaloid, i loved the songs and i found the mvs to be so beautiful so when i found out f2nd existed and was on the same console i got it right away on my birthday, i was so so so happy with it, it helped me discover some of my favorite songs like pinky swear!
But ever since the past year i have been bed ridden and can only play on my phone or my pc so when they announced the megamix pc port this year i was ecstatic,i couls finally play project diva on my pc! i got it aroundside a month or so ago, and thats when i realized how different megamix and f/f2nd are... and just recently i sold my ps3 so that i could save money to buy a switch, so even if i was healthy, i cant play f/f2nd anymore (atleast not like i used to). I hope that, if project diva gets a new release, its a good one that brings things like old modules and songs back but also gives us new songs with beautiful modules and mvs.
I hope you feel better Oof! Glad you enjoyed the video
I agree with what you are saying but the fans and community have been keeping the game alive in more ways than a MM+ mod.
There are games like Project Heartbeat and PPD that many fans have flocked to, many people from the days of the editor have moved to these fanmade replicas of the games as they have an opportunity to produce charts for songs they love again as clearly Sega has been done with making the franchise for the fans at this point. These games are both basically 1:1 clones of the official games, Project Diva has options for both Arcade and Console while PPD only has Arcade support! (Arcade being Future Tone and Console being like F2nd or X)
I know these titles aren't official Sega releases but it is just another example of how the fans have kept it alive in another way! I do agree many fans also went towards Sekai but the gameplay is polar opposite and doesn't give the experience like Project Diva does
Project Diva doesn't die as long as I'm alive!!!
I'm amazed how you addressed the graphical differences (arcade games graphics look so much worse from console stuff) but somehow didn't even mention the gameplay difference between console and arcade. My main issue is that I absolutely hate arcade gameplay (so megamix, future tone and arcade) and X was the last proper console game but it sucked in every other way. Basically the game died with F2nd for me, which is sad because those games were 30 FPS where they feel awful to play in comparison now without emulation.
Amazing video, really conveys the melancholy of being a fan of many long running franchise/series these days.
Though I'm not exactly on board with the thinking that deviating remakes/remasters would give you 2 piece of experience to return to, often times remakes were made _because_ the original is not very accessible to begin with (especially with video games). All subversive remakes tends to mostly serve as inadequate experience to portray the original for the new audience, for better or worse; and with it, the lost of any chance for the original or a faithful remake to get ported to modern platforms for the fans of the original or even anyone that can't access the original to experience it.
Although barely having much change, MegaMix have the same conundrums usually found within deviating remakes: new people wouldn't really know that they missed out on Edit mode because it's not there anymore, and your friend who bought the PC port clings to a hope that Sega will continue to release the series on PC (presumably, to port the older games).
Glad to see you posting
Project Heartbeat on steam has huge potential and probably deserves more attention. It has an easy to use editor, workshop support, multiplayer, and loads songs from megamix, even mods. It just doesn't do anything 3D, it's all mp4 videos in the background. Community made charts also kind of skew towards the harder side, but the community can also fix that by creating and curating more.
I tried it and it's just way too hard. I'm a casual but dedicated player and not being able to play 95% of the maps because they're too hard really sucks. I refunded it.
#SaveProjectDIVA
@@doctaterror that's a problem with community stuff like that. it's made by the hardcore fans so they only make hard stuff and your only option is to spend forever getting to their level so you can play them
@@paradichlorobenzene4132 for some reason heartbeat project makes my laptop lag more than diva megamix+
@@miigi-p4939 adjust the settings? i don't have heartbeat because there wouldn't be any charts i could play so i can't really help
A thing that Project Sekai had over Project Diva was personality. When it came to characters, Project Diva just had...well the vocaloids. They didn't have much establish personality, as Miku and the others were just characters they used for songs because they're recognizable and they needed a mascot to fill in for songs. Project Sekai had many different characters, each having their own personality, backstory, and motivation, and because of that, they had a sense of relatability from the players that Miku and co. weren't able to replicate.
Sure, prosekai has tons of personality. If greed is a personality trait.
@@EllaKarhu I was referring to the characters, but yes, I agree that monetary gain is an issue with it too