TW 28:30-30:30 Ranboo & I - Depression. Who's side were you on for all of this? What did you think about the incredible.... destruction of L'Manberg?! Who did you side with going forward? I am legit just blown away by how INTENSE this was. Thanks for bringing me on this journey! Oh, and join the Discord: discord.gg/U5W5pue2NG (Click the check to verify to start posting!)
At this current point of the story, I am more with techno's mentality, but i would not exactly support this destruction. so yea. im a ramboo, phil, techno supporter. i do enjoy anarchy, but there still needs to be minimal rules. I think techno doesn't mind community. he hates government
Techno and Sapnap really carried it with jokes and memes the whole time. Sadly a lot of them were cut to make the video more dramatic. They also cut out Tommy getting struck by lightning.
Yeah, I only watched it from Techno’s POV...and it was funny and fun. Tommy getting struck by lightning was really hilarious. This edit, while good...it is just sooo dramatic.
@@ameerdahbour8794 Oh oops, I didn't see that at the very end. Thanks! And I guess it is true that you can only include so much. They got all of the important plot points.
"L'mantree survived three wars, explosions, and dictators... But it could not resist the one who loved it the most." I read it somewhere, about how Niki lost her hope and killed everyone's by burning the L'mantree.
There's still a few scenes/lines this didn't contain, like the horrible aftermath of Philza talking to Ghostbur about Friend being killed, or Technoblade changing up his tactics, drinking slowfall potions, Riptide Trident launching into the air, and yelling "I WOULDN'T BE A FINAL BOSS IF I DIDN'T HAVE STAGES!"
In a later stream, techno explained that none of the kills during this time were canon as literally everyone on the server would turn into a ghost pretty much :/
Oh this base looks like it's been TOTALLY griefed. Oh, ya hate to see it. But ya know, when you give out your coordinates that's the risk you take. Hey. Hopefully they've found somewhere to rebuild. Anyway let's keep exploring!
Techno’s fine with people working together (ex: Pogtopia) he just doesn’t like government and people being under control of the government (ex: Philza being placed under house arrest) His main goal is basically just freedom Also no one lost a canon life during this somehow Edit: apparently Jack lost a life
@AC _6942 deaths that are scripted (was to happen) are the one whos cannon But sometimes like wilbur Wilbur wanted to kill his character off So he counted some extra deaths
The only canon death that took place was Jack Manifold. He lost his 3rd canon life by Techno (and a weird void glitch) and was sent to hell (what he called the void when he was glitched), but out of sheer rage and determination for revenge against people, he basically crawled his way back up to being alive and got all 3 canon lives back...
How the cannon deaths work: if it’s like in a battle where everyone is dying and not a very important death then it isn’t a canon death. But if it is important to the lore of the smp then it is canon
What constitutes a canon death is kinda vague. It's really just a way to add pressure to the characters in the story and add a canon reason for Wilbur and Schlatt's deaths
So truth be told, this was actually from a rant on my stream. Someone dared me to try and come up with the story from where I was (Tommy in Exile) to wherever the story is currently (all I know is that a prison and an egg exist but I know nothing about them) and in trying to figure all of that out I came across basically "Nobody's allowed to have anything" and I wanted to mention that in the video bc I think there may be something to it.
@@sansboss7653 He literally made 50% of the server homeless, destroyed their belongings, their pets and priceless history. Who gives a fuck if no one canon died? Techno didn't either. That's his entire thing. I don't understand your comment.
@@prometeya3700 50% might be an exaggeration, Most of L'manburgs citizens either didn't care or straight supported its destruction The only ones who really cared were Tommy Tubbo and quackity (I dont count ghostbur as he was happy minutes after its destruction cause he forgot about it, And alivebur would have agreed with its destruction)
Can we just talk about how the pokimane statue survived 2 explosions, 1 “minor Terrorism” and whatever else happens on the server? Phil literally spawned a wither in front of the statue and it still survived
Well and that's kinda what I was getting to in a clumsily worded way. As soon as someone has X thing, they immediately give X value and give themselves status. And that leads to all of the things he doesn't like.
It feels like its fate was sealed the moment Quackity entered the election. You can see it in Wilbur's face, it immediately rolls into "I don't wanna play anymore..."
you clearly haven't seen this from fundy's perspective, all l'manberg has bring was pain and agony for him. he lost his father (wilbur), noboby takes him seriously, fundy and Niki both feel the same way about being pushed aside and not being heard(+ that they used to be an election together) shows why they join together. to me, because I see a lot from his pov, it makes perfect sense for his character to maybe finally snap. fundy is very good at acting. you should watch "Phil & Fundy Go Fishing + Ghostbur Has a Conversation With His Son" :)
I mean techno has talked about this before but his character isn’t somebody who doesn’t like people being in a group and saying that nobody can do things in a group but he hates only legitimate governments. On streams in the past he talked about anarchism as a whole and who his character is. He isn’t going around and blowing up people who work together but actual set in place hierarchy.
Watch "woe to the people of order' by Shiny Snivy. it follows technos journey across the dream smp up until doomsday(there's also an animatic about it by cthulhu lemon). Edit: as far as I know, nobody lost any canon lives during the doomsday battle. Edit 2: The L'manburg forces were idiotic and didn't do anything to prepare. They didn't even set up a watch party incase if any of the anarchists decided to cause mayhem early.
I love how in the speech Tommy gives to Technoblade, blaming him for the consequences of his actions, he has the gall to tell Techno "actions have consequences"
If you’re saying that Tommy leaving Techno is what caused Techno to blow up L’Mamberg, dang I didn’t know Techno was driven by such petty simplicities. C’mon, you can’t truly say that Techno should’ve just expected to live peacefully in a cottage after spawning withers in L’Manberg. And that he’s justified in the argument “Why didn’t they just leave me alone :(“
Techno definitely wasn't entirely in the right, but dragging him to L'Manberg with bounty hunters and executing him without trial, without any chance of a defense, isn't justice. Putting Phil under house arrest for associating with one of his oldest friends isn't justice. At that point, Techno decided on "absolutely reciprocity": If you help him (Dream with the totem, Phil, Ranboo to some extent later), he will help you. If you hurt him or his friends, he will exact his revenge. At that moment, L'Manberg was doomed. Should there have been some punishment for the withers? Sure, but given that they did basically no damage relative to Wilbur's efforts, and that he was instrumental to the successful revolution, there were diplomatic solutions short of public execution that might have penalized Techno without making a farce of justice.
@@celestinebuendiaWhat you said was a fraction of his argument directly in response to "You could have just lived alone". I have seen maybe people ask this same questions on the subs but i'll ask it again "Had Wilbur survived would they executed him like they tried Techno?" I see both sides here but betraying someone who has always been honest and up front and using him for your own gains, that's going to have repercussions, especially if it's someone who's good at fighting and already told you he will destroy any government. L'manburg was corrupt at this point beyond saving. They exiled their own people, trapped their own citizens, were constantly robbing their citizens (mostly Ranboo getting robbed), they have no trials, they go against their own code of not threatening pets, were considering executing Ranboo and not listening there own citizens. Their are much better arguments Tommy could have made, but he just kept falling back onto "Your selfish" and "but the disc's!" which not the most solid. Would better arguments have stopped Techno at this point though? Absolutely not. This was probably coming no matter what. Neither side is right but neither side can be truly wrong in this either.
@@Parasolhyena The whole argument that L’Manberg was somehow extremely corrupt in itself is very strange to me. It was literally a little independent area of land for people to call home managed by some scared kids in a van who had to deal with someone doing everything in his power to tear the country apart. One of the things you mentioned wasn’t even a thing that happened, but people arguing. The most corrupt things that happened in L’Manberg happened because of Quackity’s desperate push towards violence (his character done with the lack of security and the constant threats) and Tubbo’s lack of backbone. It was never a big country with big laws. L’Manberg was at no point doomed to fall because of its own corruption, it was only doomed the moment Dream decided he wanted it gone; it was his pressure that sent them on a purposeful downward spiral. I mean, I would consider the most unjustifiable things they did bullying Philza and not giving Techno a trial, but it’s not as though fair trials are a well established right anywhere in the SMP, just like laws in L’Manberg have never been. On that same note, with the question of would Wilbur have been executed, I’d think the answer is no, because we don’t even know if Techno would have been. It was a series of events that led to Quackity pushing the hitlist. In any alternate timeline, none of this could have even happened at all.
@@Parasolhyena I also believe that Tommy’s arguments against Techno were completely valid. The discs thing was more just him being angry, but the things he said about Techno were fairly true. He called him selfish because he doesn’t care about the wants and views of other people; he goes against their wishes without hesitation for his own agenda; he thinks he knows better than everyone else. He tells Techno that he can’t expect to go off and live peacefully after destroying what people love. It’s a very good point to make about Techno’s character and I don’t think it’s given enough credit.
Techno is fine with being together (ex: Pogtopia), he just doesnt want people to be under someone's power and doesnt want tirany and wants freedom, examples of tirany is when Tubbo house arrested Philza for being friends with Techno, or when Tommy was exiled and more, he tried being peaceful but that didnt work
I can guarantee that Ranboo's skills in acting improve from here on out. Its insane how great he gets. Thankfully he is nice enough to chill stream after, but get prepared for even more angst from the memory boy here on out.
Bro these are one of those hard to swallow pills, but yeah we are sarcastic a.f. until the point he really needs our support. I mean go back to the 100k$ duel and watch the live chat, techno fans were exploding with happiness, the jokes were only made afterwards when the hype had died down
@@celestinebuendia yea well im only talkin bout the dream STANS I bet dream fans dont wanna be in the same fandom with dream stans cuz oh boy Those stans are dumb and deadly
@@walnut6684 I mean stans in general are dumb and deadly, and when you have a fanbase as big as dream's, well, just as techno said "If you have 50k live viewers, a few of them are gonna be serial killers, there's not much you can do about it, the most you can do is say "Yo murder is cringe don't do murder" and hope that convinces them, and it's not gonna convince them because these are the type of people who don't listen to reason"
And it is directly because of Wilbur and his babying of Fundy and negligence of Fundy's actual feelings that Fundy is going down a similar path of wilbur
I dont know if you realized by the way, but when everyone was looking for the L'man tree, it wasn't techno or dream that destroyed it, but Niki burnt it down herself. It was a pretty powerful moment
Just to say, Fundy doesn't live in the middle of the ocean. Where he started was a guardian farm which was created by some of the members of the server.
i'll edit this comment as i watch your reaction to answer your questions as i see them :) 5:27 - just a small thing but this is actually a guardian farm which i believe was made by sam and tubbo, hence why this bit of the ocean has been drained lol 6:11 - from what i remember, this was a very quick change right before the war (as in, like, hours before lol). 7:56 - from my perspective (as someone who watches techno's streams), he isn't necessarily against the cohesion you're talking about. he's more opposed to a hierarchy of power, aka government. i don't think he would have had a problem if l'manberg hadn't installed a president, for example. (there's also plot later on that shows he isn't opposed to being a part of a collective, per se.) 10:28 - i don't personally watch a whole lot of hbomb (just don't really have the time lol) but from what i've seen, yes. (he also does a series called l'cast in which he interviews two members of the smp each episode, which is something you might be interested in to check out in your own time to get to know the members a bit better!) 17:57 - i honestly don't know why sam and punz are there, but my best guess would be that both of them work for dream - sam built the prison under dream's orders, and punz works as a mercenary. i guess a fault of me only really watching techno's and ranboo's perspectives is that i missed all of this lol. 19:26 - that is dream's wonderful creation lmao, as you'll soon see, no doubt. 33:21 - i never actually watched this from tommy or tubbo's perspective so you may very well be right on this but i interpreted that clip more as tommy deferring to tubbo's judgement and leadership rather than taking advantage of tubbo?? 36:31 - just from the clips you've shown, i'm not sure you saw but fundy actually blew up the supplies that l'manberg had accumulated for this war, i'm pretty sure. 37:43 - this is semi-related to what you're talking about here but i remember reading a small character study on tommy/tubbo vs. techno about their perspectives on death - the idea that tommy and tubbo are so familiar with it, forced into war and dying themselves at such young ages that they no longer fear death, vs. techno, who is terrified of dying to the point that he had to become indefeatable. i think that's why tommy and tubbo aren't afraid of dying for something they love - they've died for less before. 40:23 - ah yes, the infamous hound army. techno ended up splashing them with strength and invis pots during the fight, btw. 50:32 - you were correct that, at this point, but tommy and tubbo were on their last lives. these deaths just weren't canon. 1:00:40 - the tree they're all getting emotional over here ("l'mantree") is the tree you just saw niki burn down. i'm not sure whether you caught this and i don't think the video includes the clip where niki talks about it in vc to tommy afterwards (techno congratulates her very wholesomely lol), but yeah, that's what this was. 1:18:56 - quackity's very musical and a lot of his bits involve him doing improv and making a song, so it's not shocking that he has his guitar on hand lol. 1:19:54 - sapnap was actually there the whole time. i guess you couldn't see because of how this was edited but the whole time the tnt machine was going off (and a long time afterwards), techno, sapnap, jack, puffy, phil, niki, etc. were all in vc together. sapnap was actually doing a fair job of specifically targeting and going around killing techno's dogs, and then shooting at techno from up on the obsidian grid. i'd suggest just checking out techno's stream if you want more of their side of things rather than tommy's/tubbo's/quackity's because i'm actually surprised by how little you see of the others from their perspectives. you'd also get to see more of ranboo - techno, ranboo and phil met up in the middle of it all, techno gave ranboo back his book (techno didn't even try to read it), and then techno told ranboo to leave because he had no ill will towards him and didn't want to fight him. hence the beginning of a beautiful friendship lol. (as for my experience with this: i was watching techno's stream, and it was just a really fun time?? i guess that's just what happens when you're watching the winner's perspective - also, techno wasn't really taking it too seriously, and was joking around a majority of the time with sapnap and jack. but, the little rp we did get from techno was something i was very glad to see - aka when techno spoke a little about how he felt used by tommy and wilbur, and also their hypocrisy: they repeatedly bring up the fact that techno killed tubbo at the festival under schlatt's orders, which techno excuses with 'peer pressure' (dude was surrounded with no allies lol), but tommy and wilbur made no move to help tubbo or stop techno themselves. on the flip side, techno has always fought on the side of his friends, even if they were at a disadvantage/majorly outnumbered. techno's line of "don't speak to me of loyalty!" when he and tommy were hashing it out really summed up how i feel about techno's and tommy's characters' relationship on the smp, and techno's "*i'm* a person!" also made me break a little, because yeah, dude's effectively been used as a weapon and just a weapon since day one ("the blade", as he said).)
You’re spot on about what L’Manberg means for these characters (and the audience!) from a story perspective. The importance of L’Mamberg was never a country, it was the people and everything it stood for, what it meant to each and every one of them. o7
Idk if anyone feels the same, but the thing that made me think that Technoblade was actually "the good guy" in this situation was because he actually made a point, like destroying L'mamberg was his priority and Tommy knew that since the begginning. And Tommy started rambling about how the disks were important to him and saying than Techno is selfish, when in reality he stood by Tommy's side like nobody (not even Tubbo) did before
Im kind of annoyed that Philza got cut out of that conversation. The "And you're not?" in the middle of that convo holds a lot of power.. Edit: Also, as much as Techno is right, he is still generally a bad guy. He has his reasons, but he is more bad than good.
@@celestinebuendia p sure even techno explained in the stream where he was trying to recruit niki. his power is like “i can hold a gvn to someone’s head” kind of power (kind of like, physically stong kind of power) and not power that can instigate systematic violence and justify it as “for the greater good” like governments do.
Technoblade isn't against cohesion. He just doesn't want a central authority. Cooperation and friendship is what he wants. Anarchy doesn't mean no order. It means no authoritive order. The way Technoblade explained it at least.
Techno's *"I'm a person!"* scene always hits me really hard for two reasons. *The first is that only Phil and Ranboo treated him like an actual person throughout the precious arcs.* Everyone else saw him as an instrument of war. The Butcher Army saw him as an instrument that would be used against them, and Tommy thought he could use him and then let him go when he didn't see a use for him anymore. Ranboo treated him kindly because Techno treated him fairly, so Techno repayed Ranboo's kindness by staying his friend even when Ranboo sided against him, telling him to run in a scene that got cut from this conglomerate of scenes and acts. If Tommy had just let L'manberg, the actual emotionless, thoughtless, inhuman country go, and helped Techno get rid of the government there, maybe L'manberg the country could have stayed. But instead he tossed Techno away like an old sword when he saw a chance to go back to the people he saw as important, ignoring any consequences this would have for the country he loved and how this would drive Techno to destroy it completely. Techno's always acted with his rage, but his moral code may have allowed him to negotiate with L'manberg, let the country live on without government. *The second is, well, that I'm non-binary, and I see a lot of hate for us on the internet, including denials that we exist.* It always hurts me when I see this hate, and I often take ot to heart, telling myself that I'm just faking or that I shouldn't be non-binary because it's wrong. I always just want to say that I'm a person with feelings and a family and a life, but I don't have the confidence to say anything, so I stay quiet. The scene doesn't relate at all, but I feel the meaning in my soul. It hurts every time I hear this because it's something that I don't just need to tell others, but something I need to tell myself.
Technoblade has never said "nobody can have anything." He literally says "I want to destroy the government." 2 different things that you're consistently convoluted. A server can exist with no governing body
I don't know if you saw the memes about this, but Philza and Technos' side were really fun, like it was fantastic and energetic and very wholesome. Then you saw the loosing side and it was so dramatic and sad, others were just vibing lol. If you have free time I think you would enjoy whatching Technos or Philza's side too. Again I recommend watching the "Dream is homeless" bit in Technos' second channel.
There's a part that this video didn't show, and it's this confrontation between Ghostbur and Philza: ua-cam.com/video/LTTw3Y9WYd4/v-deo.html&ab_channel=streamersstanaccount I recommend watching it, as it's one of the most emotional parts of the Doomsday War imo and Wilbur's acting is incredible in it, not to mention it adds quite a bit to both of their characters.
Genuinely my absolute favorite from Doomsday. It's a specially impactful two-punch alongside Phil saying he did what he did because he had to kill Wilbur.
@Gerzenian Aje Mapping and Gaming not rly, he was streaming the same day that tommy wanted to get vikstar to live with him, but he just didn't have the ghost voice changer yet
48:07 What isn’t shown in this edit is that Techno splashed his dogs with invisibility, so what you see here isn’t even all the dogs present because most of them are invisible.
The secret best moment of this entire event is Tommy getting struck by lightning Personally I’d say Tommy is a massive hypocrite in this war. Even till the bitter end he’s just blaming everyone else. Either way L’mannburg lost its final life...
@@celestinebuendia "Tommy fighting for the thing he's always fought for" You mean destroying things he fought for? If it weren't for him, all of these wars would've been over. jschlatt wouldn't be evil, Tommy overthrowed a government and replaced it with another. jschlatt was elected under legal circumstances.
@@designdweller Technically, Tommy himself has stated he started a war. In his video, "So I Started a Minecraft War vs Dream", I think the title's pretty self-explanatory.
@@maru93-c1x why did you just regurgitate one of Techno’s lines like a copypasta? you okay pal? again, Tommy didn’t start almost anything and idek what you’re talking about with jschlatt
Canon deaths have to have huge weights, they don'tcount as canon when a shit ton of people are going to die at once. Also, the tree Nikki destroyed was L'mantree, a super important tree to everyone in l'manburg.
Funny how lmanberg ended like schlatt did. Alone and isolated with everyone either indifferent or against it. In the end, it was just tommy tubbo and quackity.
Ikr. When i was watching Tommys stream live i was ready for someone to die. I was pretty suprised that none of the deaths were canon but im happy pf course :>
Actually in this doomsday techno's goal of anarchy was his 2nd main priority. He's main priority was revenge since he just left everyone and went hiding but they just executed him and dream was the one who actually helped by giving him the totem! techno that's why he sided with them! Also Phill ofc. And ranboo is the main character!!!( It's a meme bcs what is right now happening in ranboo's arc.
I agree with Ranboo in the fact that Dream is the reason for everything, but I also agree with Dream, Techno, and Phil blowing up L'manburg as that place was corrupted
Dream didn’t blow it up because it was corrupt, he blew it up to show how powerful he was. He blew it up because he wanted power over those people. He wanted to get rid of their hope.
@@ShilohBluecube To be fair to Dream, L'manburg was built by two con-artists/criminals who were racist against Americans and hated him for having basic rules that everyone else agreed with, and they built it solely to paint him as a tyrant. Said criminals stole his land, slandered him, and then dragged others into the conflict before demanding freedom or DEATH. And Dream was actually merciful enough to only explode their fortifications, then await either a surrender... or for them to try and gear up for a revolt, where he put them down hard. He then accepted a 1v1 during their own surrender, with the terms being him taking off all of his armor, poisoning himself... And still won. He then accepted a TRADE for their use of his land, in exchange for the disks, so that he could have SOME CONTROL over the most aggressive criminal of their side. Their first act as a government, after such a gracious deal? Putting "SUCK IT GREEN MAN!" in their declaration of independence. 0.o Said criminal also immediately worked to steal the disks back, and continues to this day to say Dream stole them from him. Frankly, Dream would have been justified in blowing L'manburg to pieces all the way back then. He didn't though. He kept them far away from HIS kingdom, even after he gave up his crown, and watched them tear each other apart with only minimal assistance on all sides.
@@silverangelics That’s what’s good about Dream’s character. He wasn’t just a bland villian just so there was conflict, he had actual build up and eventually he just went insane with power.
@@ShilohBluecube I'd even argue he didn't go insane with power. He went insane with loss. He said it himself eventually, he cut all of his attachments... But that's not quite true, because two of those attachments turned their back on HIM... On the words of Quackity... And Tommyinnit.
As for Niki, when Phil made his big declaration about wills death being the reason for his hatred- that was the first time Nikis character found out that Wilbur was dead and not just gone. That’s when she started freaking out and she burned the lmantree. Then upon seeing ghostbur she thought she was going crazy and went to the bakery she had built in lmanburg with Wilbur. It had somehow remained untouched. She started freaking out and blew it up to “escape the memories” Honestly it’s one of my favorite moments from the server and I wish you got to see it in full cause Niki is so underrated
The lives lost during this battle aren’t canon lives! In general, most battle deaths aren’t canon. It’s because a canon death has to be scripted or considered scripted by the writers for it to actually be canon. Even if a death occurs during canon events, that doesn’t mean it’s a canon death. During literal battles, it’s almost impossible to control who lives and dies. If deaths during canon battles counted, Karl would be permadead two times over because of how many times he died during the final Manberg War. Almost none of the Battle of the Lake deaths were canon, while almost all of the opposing side died. It’s important to remember, at least past the point where the canon death system was firmly established, that canon deaths are reserved SOLELY FOR THE PLOT. Canon deaths are a plot device first and foremost. It’s not just a counter for players to avoid, able to go down at a stray swing of a sword, it’s a tool for the writers to bring the permanent threat of death into the story.
fundys turn was built up to through the dream smp. a war you missed is the pet war where sapnap killed fundys pets in the pogtopia vs manberg war he lost trust with everyone and his father wilber now hated him. so then wilber died and fundy became a orphan. one more thing to add is that phil is his grandfather and he hates him
Are you saying Phil hates him or fundy hates philza??? Cause if your saying philza hates fundy he has a reason, the butcher army ( fundy was a part of it ) broke stuff in his home , stole stuff , insulted him, put him on house arrest and was hunting his best friend plus philza had a perfect view of the execution ,phil took fundy in and fundy does this to him
For people who don't fully understand canon lives on the DreamSMP, I explain it like this: You have a stage show, and there's a set piece for a volcano. At the end of your show your main villain (let's call them Tom), after a long battle, with huge amounts of emotion in it, gets pushed into the volcano, which is his canonical death. During one of your early performances, one of the background characters (let's call them Sam) trips and falls into the volcano with no emotional action or anything that makes it feel important or impactful. Yes, in-character, Sam did die, but it's not as important or impactful as Tom's canonical death, so you don't consider that as canonical (and the audience probably won't care too much) Also, to quote Wilbur, "The audience doesn't decide what's canonical," and makes the point that it's the writers who decide whether or not their character actually died. For examples, see everytime Superman "died," or you can think about the difference between Tubbo accidentally not seeing a ravine and dying of fall damage, versus *Wilbur's Final Death*
For the record, mass combat death are pretty much never cannon. If you look at all of the cannon deaths, they're all either from duels or from key moments that aren't combat.
For Fundy and Niki, their arcs are specifically tied to Wilbur. Niki was one of Wilbur's biggest supporters, a vocal critic of Schlatt during his administration and the one who made the LManberg flag, but losing Wilbur made her feel disconnected with LManberg and that she was never listened to. Tommy, who was the last person Wilbur was close to when he was alive, became the person she placed her blame on because she needed somebody to blame. As for Fundy. Being Wilbur's son, he felt constantly babied by his dad, and thus tried to prove himself by becoming a spy against Schlatt, however, he started getting attached to Schlatt as well, finding the recognition he wanted from his dad in Schlatt. However, Schlatt turned out to be a horrible person and he in the end sided with Wilbur. And then Wilbur died, and tried mending his relationship with him as Ghostbur. However, Ghostbur cannot remember memories that make him sad so he cannot process why Fundy was upset by him for abandoning him. The last person he had was his Grandfather, Phil, who disowned him after putting him on House arrest. So Fundy lost everyone and thus lost all hope. Both of them felt forgotten and both of them were corrupted by Wilbur's actions.
If you can, I would really suggest finding a way to see what Ranboo was up to both during and immediately after Doomsday, as where he ends up next may be a bit confusing without the context of specific interactions during that time.
So here's the most important things to watch to pick up some important events that aren't in Blueberry TV's cut. Start with Ranboo's stream here: www.twitch.tv/videos/863646779?filter=all&sort=time from ~30:45 - 2:05:30 he has a lot of important conversations with people in the aftermath of the battle that were skipped by Blueberry and you will see when he meets up with Phil and Techno mid-fight. Then go to Philza's stream Here: www.twitch.tv/videos/867829367?filter=all&sort=time and watch from ~55:00-2:21:52. Most will be recap but it does include a bunch of the aftermath that you otherwise miss out on. You mostly just want to see his conversations with Ghostbur and a bit of what he and Technoblade talk about after getting back to their house. Then go back to Ranboo, finish his perspective and you'll have everything taken care of.
Fundy has a fantastic character arc. He goes from the son of the general of L'Manberg constantly being told he's too young. To being overlooked by his own father during the Manburg v Pogtopia Arc. And looks up at Schlatt as the first major authority figure to give him validation. He betrayed Schlatt when he saw he was going off the rails, and even then. No one in Pogtopia trusted him. He joined Tubbo's administration and saw a new beginning while trying to move on from his father haunting him. He tried connecting with his Grandpa (Phil) and there was supposed to be an adoption, but Eret slept in. So in the spiral to madness for Fundy it's almost mirroring Wilbur's Insanity. If I can't have "______" then no one can. There's an entire Tumblr community dedicated to FUNDY they're a lot less active on Twitter. I probably didn't do it justice in anyway that they would like, but I would like to point out the fundy's characters super interesting.
46:07 They said not to use crystals because during that fight where Dream put down that one crystal, L'Manburg was canonically supposed to blow up when Wilbur pressed the button. Some behind the scenes here, Philza, Wilbur, and Dream spent a lot of time off camera putting TNT under L'Manburg and planning how and where it was gonna blow up, they even practiced the button press when the redstone was disconnected so that the moment wasn't ruined. Philza even logged off in the tunnel leading into the room so that in Wilbur's POV it would look like Phil just magically appeared to try to stop Wilbur from blowing it all up. Phil said all of this during his Hardcore season 4 stream yesterday, February 1st 2021.
And I still believe that most of Techno’s arguments are extremely hypocritical. Tommy basically said “You could have not blown up everything people care about. Why do you not care at all about the feelings and values of other people and crush them because you think you know better? And now you think you’re justified because you don’t deserve consequences?” while Techno was like “You betrayed me! I’m more loyal!” and “I’m hurt about those times where from my perspective you used me and didn’t back me up!” and also generally “I didn’t do anything wrong, I told you in advance! It’s totally not like you did the same thing, nope!” Like, c’mon. Really?
Pretty sure Tommy got it stuck in his head that he's hypocritical for blaming Techno for destroying the government when he still wanta to go after the discs, so he tried to explain why the two goals were different. Only nobody never accused him of that and he never stopped to get his thoughts in order so it ended up as this very painful word soup. The next, Tommy talked to Tubbo and made his case against Techno again and this time he was much more coherent. He even brought up some valid points about how Techno is basically enforcing his ideology regardless of what other people think inbetween deflecting blame and trying to explain how he didn't betray Techno.
Here's the thing that becomes apparent when you watch all sides: Techno puts in the work while Tommy USES people, all throughout the server all that Tommy has ever done is steal lie and demand, he'll get people to work for him and if they win he'll take all the credit but if they lose he'll blame everybody else and he refuses to see any one else's point of view. Meanwhile Techno he has very few friends it's just Phil and Ranboo and he treasures those friends greatly he went into this war telling Phil to not get involved because he was worried for his friends last life and (idk if Blueberry kept it in) during the chaos of war Techno got Ranboo's book off of Quackity, gave it to him and reassured Ranboo that he could run away and that he'd help him leave. TL;DR: Techno "god of blood" Blade cares for people while Tommy "the protagonist" Innit does not.
1:09:15 The relationship between Tommy and Dream is a lot like that between the protagonist and Flowey in Undertale. In that game, Flowey has total control over the timeline, but the protagonist is the only one with true free will, and so is the only person Flowey, in his own twisted sense, has any fun "playing" with.
@@totallynotgadSpoilers for the most recent few weeks on DSMP In the Final Dream Confrontation, Dream refuses to kill Tommy, but is fully willing and trying to kill Tubbo in the basement and lock up Tommy in Sam''s prison once he has gloated about taking everything everyone has loved. Once everyone arrives, Tommy even walks up to Dream, alone, unarmed, against Dream in full netherite, and Dream refuses to kill him and take his last life, instead electing to follow Tommy's instructions and give him all of his gear. Dream wouldn't do that if he didn't enjoy the cat-and-mouse game of suffering he is inflicting on Tommy.
I don’t think the video showed this but during the battle Techno got Ranboo’s book and gave to back him saying that he had nothing against him and to run away. It’s not much but I think it’s a good example of how techno treats people the same way they treat him.
In case you weren't aware, in the middle of the battle Quackity dropped Ranboo's book and Techno picked it up. Ranboo heard him talking about it and went over to get it. Techno gave it back saying "I have nothing against you...go... if you leave now, no one will notice."
Also have to appreciate the fact that technoblade didn't read the very private book (The lore says that Ranboo writes down his important memories so he remembers them) unlike quackitity also took the time to give it back
This is the event that really kinda ruined tommy's character arc . he has no case against technoblade in this argument and is acting like well a child appropriately.
eh I disagree, because he’s not entirely wrong. Techno is right, he’s been betrayed and used from the start, and sure, maybe his intentions are rooted in some sort of good. But ends can’t always justify the means. And Tommy has a point too. Techno is so focused on eradicating government and enforcing anarchy, that he doesn’t care if he hurts the people he claims to be helping in the process. Sure it’s frustrating that Tommy can’t see Techno’s side completely, even if he does admit to betraying him and doing wrong, even apologizing later, but is it also not true of Techno? That he refuses to see Tommy’s? Cus Tommy’s right. Maybe they betrayed Techno during the original Manburg war. But Techno killed Tommy’s best friend, twice, helped destroy the one thing he had left, the one thing he’d poured his heart and soul into, the one thing he chose over the discs, and expects to get off scot free? And really, how did New L’manberg effect him besides that time they tried to punish him for what he’d done. What gives Techno the right to decide what’s best for everyone else? He expects to just live his happy little life in a cabin with Phil? He likes to talk big talk of consequences, of how he was hurt, but when the people HES hurt retaliate, it suddenly isn’t his fault? Just because Techno’s IDEALS may have some truth, doesn’t make his actions justified. And remember, we can talk arguments over the opposing ideals Tommy and Techno have all day, but that ignores the fact that, Tommy DID make it clear from the start he wouldn’t help destroy L’manberg. And Techno DID join Tommy’s abuser to take away one of the things he loved most... AGAIN. They are two deeply hurt people, scarred by those close to them, both unwilling to hear the other. Neither is right, and neither is wrong either.
Kinda fitting to post this on the sixth month anniversary of L'manberg. o7 There's not much else I can say about this, except that I wish you'd seen the confrontation between Wil and Philza after Doomsday. I just think Ghostbur's neat. Also, fun fact, did you know the L'mantree was planted by Schlatt during his first visit to the DSMP? It was never "the last original tree". Fitting that the one thing keeping the spirit of the country alive was not even real. L'manberg's original flag had three crosses on it. Three lives. It got blown up three times: during the independence war, during the Manberg war, and during Doomsday. Bye L'manberg.
Okay, so basically the way to tell if something is a canon death is by how people react to it in character. You can usually figure out if a death is canon after the fact, if people refer to it as an inciting incident, or act upset about it. Non canon deaths you can usually replace with "wounded" or "injured" without the narrative changing at all. Also I kinda hate that this didn't include Niki's reaction to finding out how Wilbur died and seeing his ghost for the first time. It's why she looked on the verge of panic while blowing up her bakery.
Once again Tommy missed the point of all of this; he betrays everyone he comes across, everyone he asked for help, everyone who gave it willingly. And yet he's the one that says he has been betrayed by his friends.... The only one he hasn't betrayed is Tubb-oh waaaaait....right, he lied to Tubbo about George's house, and didn't realise the consequences, completely endangering the very thing he fought for, and none of that, was anyone's fault but his own.
Everyone? Like, two people? One of them being a person he came back to in the end and apologized to? And griefed a house, a common crime on this server? And while Tubbo was wronged, most wrongs committed were of a personal nature related to trust in their friendship? And the only reason the conflict escalated to the point it did was because of Dream manipulating the situation for his own gain? Ah yes, man wrongs his friend takes weeks to make up with him and suddenly he deserves hell on earth. What strong reasoning.
@@celestinebuendia Endangered any who was part of L'Manburg by not owning up to his mistake, sure Dream would've found a way around, but Tommy still betrayed the trust he was given. When Ranboo was "outed as a traitor", when he simply helped Tommy, did Tommy step to his defense? No, he watched and walked away, AGAIN. Has he ever payed anyone back from helping him fight Jschlat? No, he took all of them for granted. Did he help Wibur to try and come back from those explosive thoughts? Nope he turned his back when Wilbur would've needed him. Most people who have such destructive thoughts reject mental help. And Tommy walked away, stating "he's gone fucking insane". Techno, he took Tommy in despite the animosity. He held out a hand when most turned it away. Even though he has been stabbed in the back by Tommy several times already. Niki, Eret and Fundy, have gave Tommy aid, sometimes he didn't even ask for it. Yet he disregarded any form of a thanks, why do you think Niki has said that she felt left behind, never listened to? The thought didn't sprout out of the ground. Tubbo, Tommy has always not taken Tubbo seriously or for granted (at this moment of L'Manburg's destruction, he realises later). While exile got him to see that, when he came back he suddenly forgets that tidbit. Tommy has basically done a more subtle version of what dream did to him during exile; building up something, only for Tommy/Dream to come out of nowhere and tear it all down. The only difference between him and Dream for this manipulation, his that dream did it willingly, Tommy seems to not realise it.
“You’re selfish, you destroy what other people love for your own self gain.”- Tommy to Technoblade Times Tommy has used Techno specifically to benefit himself/ his friends : -Overthrowing schlatt -The pet war (“I have the blade” moment) -Hiding himself from Dream -Getting back the disks -Techno even stood up for Tommy when he was framed for blowing up the community house. And what tommy did in return: -blamed Techno for killing tubbo despite doing nothing himself while Fundy could have easily done the same and admitted in his diary he felt betrayed by Tubbo, and Tubbo forgave Techno -Never thanked him once. -Tried forming a government in front of him despite knowing Techno is firmly anti government. -Made a giant cobble tower and other obvious signs revealing his location to dream. -Betrayed Techno taking one of his strongest weapons. -valuing disks over his friendship -joined up with the one group of people Techno was fighting -goes on to babble random nonsense saying Techno betrayed HIM. Tommy's character is selfish, having never helped Techno once even though Techno has helped him multiple times. All he cared about were two pieces of plastic that sounded good in a jukebox. (This is about the characters not the people themselves, all people talked about here are great and play their characters as they are written with their flaws.)
What I found hilarious is that BOTH Tommy and Techno is a hypocrite in this thing, and hell they surprisingly similar. Tommy did said he don’t want o hurt Tubbo and just want to get the disc back, Techno mostly talk over it. Tommy is selfish. He want the disc and shut, but also fucking loyal to Tubbo even both of them shit themselves over, the disc and Lmanburg is not just a thing for him, it a memory of the time he was happy and Lmanburg is really his home, the kid want home. And now it blown up the moment he finally can comeback. Techno did have a point of the government corrupted but at the same time play as victims of say “I am a person” yet he doesn’t act like one from show everyone that he is the strongest & richest one in the server. He go on a retirement after wreck a country and thought he go away with it. As much butcher army is shit but they have a right to go after Techno, just one dead of the three that he have and hell he not going to die in pvp so this is only way for him getting consequence of destroy a home of group of people. Tommy value his past happy memories and his friendship with Tubbo. Techno value people and friendship The two are surprisingly similar but don’t see eachother point and try to put their value to other and think they will change. For me they both are hypocrites. But what make me more frustrated is they think to “teach someone a lesson” is by using violence. THAT SHIT NOT GOING TO WORK!!! Look at Tommy in exile, he got shit from Dream everyday and what did they think he learn from it other that his action to steal shits in order to survive is only way to go and go back to his habits AND WORST BECAUSE HE MIRROR ALL THE PEOPLE WRONG HIM. Violence only make people learn fear and cause trauma, nothing that give positive reinforcement to make someone a better person.
Something I have gotta bring up, everyone says Techno blew up L'Manburg originally. When all *HE* did was spawn two Withers, L'Manburg was already blown up at that point.
TW 28:30-30:30 Ranboo & I - Depression. Who's side were you on for all of this? What did you think about the incredible.... destruction of L'Manberg?! Who did you side with going forward? I am legit just blown away by how INTENSE this was. Thanks for bringing me on this journey! Oh, and join the Discord: discord.gg/U5W5pue2NG (Click the check to verify to start posting!)
Oh 100% on techno’s side
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At this current point of the story, I am more with techno's mentality, but i would not exactly support this destruction. so yea. im a ramboo, phil, techno supporter. i do enjoy anarchy, but there still needs to be minimal rules. I think techno doesn't mind community. he hates government
Technos side is that nobody has Power on other people not there beeing factions and that everybody can be any faction.
Definitely technoblade
Techno and Sapnap really carried it with jokes and memes the whole time. Sadly a lot of them were cut to make the video more dramatic. They also cut out Tommy getting struck by lightning.
Yeah, I only watched it from Techno’s POV...and it was funny and fun. Tommy getting struck by lightning was really hilarious. This edit, while good...it is just sooo dramatic.
They can only include so much in a period of time
@@GlitchyGalaxies They did include Ghostbur wanting to be ressurected
@@ameerdahbour8794 Oh oops, I didn't see that at the very end. Thanks! And I guess it is true that you can only include so much. They got all of the important plot points.
'SAPNAP WE ARE HAVING A MOMENT!'
"L'mantree survived three wars, explosions, and dictators... But it could not resist the one who loved it the most."
I read it somewhere, about how Niki lost her hope and killed everyone's by burning the L'mantree.
L'Mantree was planted by Schlatt the day he was elected
@@ameerdahbour8794 no it was naturally generated
@@aokaygamer8192 There's proof, it got destroyed before, then Schlatt replanted it
@@ameerdahbour8794 oh yeah I remember now
@@ameerdahbour8794 *irony pog*
There's still a few scenes/lines this didn't contain, like the horrible aftermath of Philza talking to Ghostbur about Friend being killed, or Technoblade changing up his tactics, drinking slowfall potions, Riptide Trident launching into the air, and yelling "I WOULDN'T BE A FINAL BOSS IF I DIDN'T HAVE STAGES!"
The scene where Techno gives Ranboo his book back and tells him that he doesn't hold anything against him I feel is an important scene
Or when Sapnap was joking saying that he was Zeus and moments later Tommy died because of a ligtning, it's not plot important, but it's funny. 🤣
Thank God they're playing on normal, imagine if they were in hard, techno would get a Fourth stage
@@ThomasSantosCanal1 pretty sure DreamSMP global server difficulty is actually set to Easy. Good joke though
AIR STRIKEEEEE
In a later stream, techno explained that none of the kills during this time were canon as literally everyone on the server would turn into a ghost pretty much :/
No war deaths are canon besides Schlatt so far
@@Squishy_Potatoes and wilbur
@@annonomeece6443 apperently mexican dream is dead too
Ponk would be banned for how many times he died. I mean it was like 5 or 6 just to Techno.
Jack died canonically. He just willed himself back into existence right after.
"Welcome...to the youngest anarchy server in Minecraft!!!"
-Technoblade, 2021
actually he said that in 2020
@@Pusheeen_ 2021. This took place in January
@@thesilverwingknight Plot Twist: Technoblade said it twice in late 2020 and January 2021
Oh this base looks like it's been TOTALLY griefed. Oh, ya hate to see it. But ya know, when you give out your coordinates that's the risk you take. Hey. Hopefully they've found somewhere to rebuild. Anyway let's keep exploring!
@@YoBGS Did Fit get into your account or something? Because that matches his speaking patterns like one to one.
Techno’s fine with people working together (ex: Pogtopia) he just doesn’t like government and people being under control of the government (ex: Philza being placed under house arrest)
His main goal is basically just freedom
Also no one lost a canon life during this somehow Edit: apparently Jack lost a life
Jack technically did but that's part of his own lore and not the overall plot
@@syystomu from the duel with Technoblade?
Ya government is the reason why all the war happen
@AC _6942 deaths that are scripted (was to happen) are the one whos cannon
But sometimes like wilbur
Wilbur wanted to kill his character off
So he counted some extra deaths
Yeah Techno believes in the idea of L’manburg, but he doesn’t believe in the government that controls it.
I think the video cut it out, but at one point techno picks up ranboos book and later gives it back to him, saying he has no malice towards him
This is an often overlooked detail that is lowkey huge for Techno and Ranboo.
@@lukaskoda888 truee
That whole book handoff was lovely, it felt so serendipitous since the book could have easily gotten lost in the chaos.
And NIKI!!!!
The only canon death that took place was Jack Manifold. He lost his 3rd canon life by Techno (and a weird void glitch) and was sent to hell (what he called the void when he was glitched), but out of sheer rage and determination for revenge against people, he basically crawled his way back up to being alive and got all 3 canon lives back...
Is there a clip of this? I never saw this.
@@quinnw919 ua-cam.com/video/JnQ9mi0ACjo/v-deo.html Here's the video
That is legit badass, I love the sorta non-main arcs that are more creative and cool than anything else tbh.
Wait that's what happened!? Jacks way cooler then I thought.
@@shadow_shine3578 jack manifold pog
How the cannon deaths work: if it’s like in a battle where everyone is dying and not a very important death then it isn’t a canon death. But if it is important to the lore of the smp then it is canon
What constitutes a canon death is kinda vague. It's really just a way to add pressure to the characters in the story and add a canon reason for Wilbur and Schlatt's deaths
They tend to be things that you need to make everything else make sense. If it didn’t happen, the story doesn’t make sense.
It is literally just scripted deaths according to Wilbur
Every death which is planned is a canon death and deaths in war leads to mass death and isn't planned who will die.
If it’s written into the script
when you said “when anyone gets attached to anything” i literally gasped like because of the unintentional FORESHADOWING to future events
This guy really has the foreshadowing power when he said "go a thousand blocks away and build a town there"
@@blaxedrexaliam4746 he's just too powerful for this world
@@kkTeaz he probably is the main character. He really writes the dsmp lore but we dont know that because he is way above the mortal realm
At the beginning of the video he said: "Sam you can sit there you can watch Dream" seems like foreshadowing as well
So truth be told, this was actually from a rant on my stream. Someone dared me to try and come up with the story from where I was (Tommy in Exile) to wherever the story is currently (all I know is that a prison and an egg exist but I know nothing about them) and in trying to figure all of that out I came across basically "Nobody's allowed to have anything" and I wanted to mention that in the video bc I think there may be something to it.
"I'M A PERSON" - Technoblade. "DISCS AREN'T PEOPLE" - Technoblade. Just some quotes that I think you underappreciated
"We are people too!" By Tommy was also a banger but everyone sleeps on that one because it doesn't fit the narrative
@@prometeya3700 he didn't take from them canon lifes
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Right?
Even before the battle started Techno said that he won't hurt anybody if they choose to let L'manburg die.
@@sansboss7653 He literally made 50% of the server homeless, destroyed their belongings, their pets and priceless history. Who gives a fuck if no one canon died? Techno didn't either. That's his entire thing. I don't understand your comment.
@@prometeya3700 50% might be an exaggeration, Most of L'manburgs citizens either didn't care or straight supported its destruction
The only ones who really cared were Tommy Tubbo and quackity
(I dont count ghostbur as he was happy minutes after its destruction cause he forgot about it, And alivebur would have agreed with its destruction)
Can we just talk about how the pokimane statue survived 2 explosions, 1 “minor Terrorism” and whatever else happens on the server? Phil literally spawned a wither in front of the statue and it still survived
She did nothing wrong.
Wither: *understandable, have a great day*
the wither was a simp
Pokimane is like the goddess of the server, no one talks about her, but the statue can't die.
Wither was subscribed to her onlyfans
@@MrcreeperDXD777 lol
Technoblade isn't against community or possession, he is only against people having power over eachother.
Well and that's kinda what I was getting to in a clumsily worded way. As soon as someone has X thing, they immediately give X value and give themselves status. And that leads to all of the things he doesn't like.
Yeah, he’s pro community, he just doesn’t think said community should have a person in charge.
Let's be real, it's fate was sealed ever since the Butcher army hunted Techno down.
Facts
Facts
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It feels like its fate was sealed the moment Quackity entered the election. You can see it in Wilbur's face, it immediately rolls into "I don't wanna play anymore..."
you clearly haven't seen this from fundy's perspective, all l'manberg has bring was pain and agony for him. he lost his father (wilbur), noboby takes him seriously, fundy and Niki both feel the same way about being pushed aside and not being heard(+ that they used to be an election together) shows why they join together. to me, because I see a lot from his pov, it makes perfect sense for his character to maybe finally snap. fundy is very good at acting. you should watch "Phil & Fundy Go Fishing + Ghostbur Has a Conversation With His Son" :)
😃 ok then
He sets Sam down and tells him to watch dream. Oh he has no idea
Irony ^
oh sweet destiny
No spoilers
I was thinking the same thing and i scrolled to see if anyone else mentioned it but no one else but you mentioned it
@@TyConrel same
I mean techno has talked about this before but his character isn’t somebody who doesn’t like people being in a group and saying that nobody can do things in a group but he hates only legitimate governments. On streams in the past he talked about anarchism as a whole and who his character is. He isn’t going around and blowing up people who work together but actual set in place hierarchy.
Watch "woe to the people of order' by Shiny Snivy. it follows technos journey across the dream smp up until doomsday(there's also an animatic about it by cthulhu lemon).
Edit: as far as I know, nobody lost any canon lives during the doomsday battle.
Edit 2: The L'manburg forces were idiotic and didn't do anything to prepare. They didn't even set up a watch party incase if any of the anarchists decided to cause mayhem early.
Yeah it it's a really beautiful acapella
He have to watch it, it's amazing and one of my favorite fan song of the SMP
It’s so good
Agreed! it's a work of art.
yeah he should watch it
I love how in the speech Tommy gives to Technoblade, blaming him for the consequences of his actions, he has the gall to tell Techno "actions have consequences"
If you’re saying that Tommy leaving Techno is what caused Techno to blow up L’Mamberg, dang I didn’t know Techno was driven by such petty simplicities.
C’mon, you can’t truly say that Techno should’ve just expected to live peacefully in a cottage after spawning withers in L’Manberg. And that he’s justified in the argument “Why didn’t they just leave me alone :(“
Techno definitely wasn't entirely in the right, but dragging him to L'Manberg with bounty hunters and executing him without trial, without any chance of a defense, isn't justice. Putting Phil under house arrest for associating with one of his oldest friends isn't justice. At that point, Techno decided on "absolutely reciprocity": If you help him (Dream with the totem, Phil, Ranboo to some extent later), he will help you. If you hurt him or his friends, he will exact his revenge. At that moment, L'Manberg was doomed. Should there have been some punishment for the withers? Sure, but given that they did basically no damage relative to Wilbur's efforts, and that he was instrumental to the successful revolution, there were diplomatic solutions short of public execution that might have penalized Techno without making a farce of justice.
@@celestinebuendiaWhat you said was a fraction of his argument directly in response to "You could have just lived alone". I have seen maybe people ask this same questions on the subs but i'll ask it again "Had Wilbur survived would they executed him like they tried Techno?"
I see both sides here but betraying someone who has always been honest and up front and using him for your own gains, that's going to have repercussions, especially if it's someone who's good at fighting and already told you he will destroy any government.
L'manburg was corrupt at this point beyond saving. They exiled their own people, trapped their own citizens, were constantly robbing their citizens (mostly Ranboo getting robbed), they have no trials, they go against their own code of not threatening pets, were considering executing Ranboo and not listening there own citizens.
Their are much better arguments Tommy could have made, but he just kept falling back onto "Your selfish" and "but the disc's!" which not the most solid. Would better arguments have stopped Techno at this point though? Absolutely not. This was probably coming no matter what. Neither side is right but neither side can be truly wrong in this either.
@@Parasolhyena The whole argument that L’Manberg was somehow extremely corrupt in itself is very strange to me. It was literally a little independent area of land for people to call home managed by some scared kids in a van who had to deal with someone doing everything in his power to tear the country apart. One of the things you mentioned wasn’t even a thing that happened, but people arguing. The most corrupt things that happened in L’Manberg happened because of Quackity’s desperate push towards violence (his character done with the lack of security and the constant threats) and Tubbo’s lack of backbone. It was never a big country with big laws. L’Manberg was at no point doomed to fall because of its own corruption, it was only doomed the moment Dream decided he wanted it gone; it was his pressure that sent them on a purposeful downward spiral. I mean, I would consider the most unjustifiable things they did bullying Philza and not giving Techno a trial, but it’s not as though fair trials are a well established right anywhere in the SMP, just like laws in L’Manberg have never been.
On that same note, with the question of would Wilbur have been executed, I’d think the answer is no, because we don’t even know if Techno would have been. It was a series of events that led to Quackity pushing the hitlist. In any alternate timeline, none of this could have even happened at all.
@@Parasolhyena I also believe that Tommy’s arguments against Techno were completely valid. The discs thing was more just him being angry, but the things he said about Techno were fairly true. He called him selfish because he doesn’t care about the wants and views of other people; he goes against their wishes without hesitation for his own agenda; he thinks he knows better than everyone else. He tells Techno that he can’t expect to go off and live peacefully after destroying what people love. It’s a very good point to make about Techno’s character and I don’t think it’s given enough credit.
You should react to the "ranboo is the main character" technoblade clip
The cool sensei always dies ):
Hes not there yet
@@DIVChip there isn’t any spoilers
@@katlynlazuli8954 it spoils the part of ranboo getting his powers and the back story of that
@@DIVChip that isn’t a major plot point yet. By the time it does become major BGS probably would’ve watched it already
Techno is fine with being together (ex: Pogtopia), he just doesnt want people to be under someone's power and doesnt want tirany and wants freedom, examples of tirany is when Tubbo house arrested Philza for being friends with Techno, or when Tommy was exiled and more, he tried being peaceful but that didnt work
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All the terrorist wants to do is settle down and grind weapons of destruction in secret 😔💔
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@@celestinebuendia Ikr, they are all so friendly and nice D:
I'm pretty sure Tubbo actually put phil under house arrest for helping a war criminal
I can guarantee that Ranboo's skills in acting improve from here on out. Its insane how great he gets. Thankfully he is nice enough to chill stream after, but get prepared for even more angst from the memory boy here on out.
It hurts me how good it is,
@@shadow_shine3578 Amen to that. At least he put trigger warnings so we kind of know what to brace for.
@@queenmaeve2861 true true. He really cares about his audience, makes me happy.
Why techno fans are tsundere
Techno fans to technoblade:u can't 1v10 lmao what a loser
Dream stans:techno sucks
Technofans:so you have chosen, death
Bro these are one of those hard to swallow pills, but yeah we are sarcastic a.f. until the point he really needs our support. I mean go back to the 100k$ duel and watch the live chat, techno fans were exploding with happiness, the jokes were only made afterwards when the hype had died down
@@RandomNon yea
And it all started with techno being a bit sarcastic
Even in jokes, I hate people trying to divide the fandoms like this.
@@celestinebuendia yea well im only talkin bout the dream STANS
I bet dream fans dont wanna be in the same fandom with dream stans cuz oh boy
Those stans are dumb and deadly
@@walnut6684 I mean stans in general are dumb and deadly, and when you have a fanbase as big as dream's, well, just as techno said "If you have 50k live viewers, a few of them are gonna be serial killers, there's not much you can do about it, the most you can do is say "Yo murder is cringe don't do murder" and hope that convinces them, and it's not gonna convince them because these are the type of people who don't listen to reason"
the thing that dreamsmp members (their characters obviously) need the most is a good therapist.
Captain Puffy made one
@@Flowirer she did
@@Flowirer and then now puffy needs a therapist
Ghostbur try’s
i really like Fundy's character here he has lost it like Wilbur did. the apple doesn't fall far from the tree
And it is directly because of Wilbur and his babying of Fundy and negligence of Fundy's actual feelings that Fundy is going down a similar path of wilbur
It helps that the tree got burned
I dont know if you realized by the way, but when everyone was looking for the L'man tree, it wasn't techno or dream that destroyed it, but Niki burnt it down herself. It was a pretty powerful moment
he literally pointed out niki burning it
what do you mean "I dont know if you realized"
Just to say, Fundy doesn't live in the middle of the ocean. Where he started was a guardian farm which was created by some of the members of the server.
Tubbo, Sam and some Ranboo more precisely
i'll edit this comment as i watch your reaction to answer your questions as i see them :)
5:27 - just a small thing but this is actually a guardian farm which i believe was made by sam and tubbo, hence why this bit of the ocean has been drained lol
6:11 - from what i remember, this was a very quick change right before the war (as in, like, hours before lol).
7:56 - from my perspective (as someone who watches techno's streams), he isn't necessarily against the cohesion you're talking about. he's more opposed to a hierarchy of power, aka government. i don't think he would have had a problem if l'manberg hadn't installed a president, for example. (there's also plot later on that shows he isn't opposed to being a part of a collective, per se.)
10:28 - i don't personally watch a whole lot of hbomb (just don't really have the time lol) but from what i've seen, yes. (he also does a series called l'cast in which he interviews two members of the smp each episode, which is something you might be interested in to check out in your own time to get to know the members a bit better!)
17:57 - i honestly don't know why sam and punz are there, but my best guess would be that both of them work for dream - sam built the prison under dream's orders, and punz works as a mercenary. i guess a fault of me only really watching techno's and ranboo's perspectives is that i missed all of this lol.
19:26 - that is dream's wonderful creation lmao, as you'll soon see, no doubt.
33:21 - i never actually watched this from tommy or tubbo's perspective so you may very well be right on this but i interpreted that clip more as tommy deferring to tubbo's judgement and leadership rather than taking advantage of tubbo??
36:31 - just from the clips you've shown, i'm not sure you saw but fundy actually blew up the supplies that l'manberg had accumulated for this war, i'm pretty sure.
37:43 - this is semi-related to what you're talking about here but i remember reading a small character study on tommy/tubbo vs. techno about their perspectives on death - the idea that tommy and tubbo are so familiar with it, forced into war and dying themselves at such young ages that they no longer fear death, vs. techno, who is terrified of dying to the point that he had to become indefeatable. i think that's why tommy and tubbo aren't afraid of dying for something they love - they've died for less before.
40:23 - ah yes, the infamous hound army. techno ended up splashing them with strength and invis pots during the fight, btw.
50:32 - you were correct that, at this point, but tommy and tubbo were on their last lives. these deaths just weren't canon.
1:00:40 - the tree they're all getting emotional over here ("l'mantree") is the tree you just saw niki burn down. i'm not sure whether you caught this and i don't think the video includes the clip where niki talks about it in vc to tommy afterwards (techno congratulates her very wholesomely lol), but yeah, that's what this was.
1:18:56 - quackity's very musical and a lot of his bits involve him doing improv and making a song, so it's not shocking that he has his guitar on hand lol.
1:19:54 - sapnap was actually there the whole time. i guess you couldn't see because of how this was edited but the whole time the tnt machine was going off (and a long time afterwards), techno, sapnap, jack, puffy, phil, niki, etc. were all in vc together. sapnap was actually doing a fair job of specifically targeting and going around killing techno's dogs, and then shooting at techno from up on the obsidian grid. i'd suggest just checking out techno's stream if you want more of their side of things rather than tommy's/tubbo's/quackity's because i'm actually surprised by how little you see of the others from their perspectives. you'd also get to see more of ranboo - techno, ranboo and phil met up in the middle of it all, techno gave ranboo back his book (techno didn't even try to read it), and then techno told ranboo to leave because he had no ill will towards him and didn't want to fight him. hence the beginning of a beautiful friendship lol.
(as for my experience with this: i was watching techno's stream, and it was just a really fun time?? i guess that's just what happens when you're watching the winner's perspective - also, techno wasn't really taking it too seriously, and was joking around a majority of the time with sapnap and jack. but, the little rp we did get from techno was something i was very glad to see - aka when techno spoke a little about how he felt used by tommy and wilbur, and also their hypocrisy: they repeatedly bring up the fact that techno killed tubbo at the festival under schlatt's orders, which techno excuses with 'peer pressure' (dude was surrounded with no allies lol), but tommy and wilbur made no move to help tubbo or stop techno themselves. on the flip side, techno has always fought on the side of his friends, even if they were at a disadvantage/majorly outnumbered. techno's line of "don't speak to me of loyalty!" when he and tommy were hashing it out really summed up how i feel about techno's and tommy's characters' relationship on the smp, and techno's "*i'm* a person!" also made me break a little, because yeah, dude's effectively been used as a weapon and just a weapon since day one ("the blade", as he said).)
I think you summed this up beautifuly
Perfect ✨
heck, the lines about tommy/tubbo's vs techno's perspective of death is something i never thought about... do you have a link to that character study?
The "peer pressure" was the voices In his mind.
If you watch techno's stream this is much more lighthearted and fun. Much less doom and gloom, i mean there was some but mostly its memes and stuff.
You’re spot on about what L’Manberg means for these characters (and the audience!) from a story perspective. The importance of L’Mamberg was never a country, it was the people and everything it stood for, what it meant to each and every one of them.
o7
Exactly
Idk if anyone feels the same, but the thing that made me think that Technoblade was actually "the good guy" in this situation was because he actually made a point, like destroying L'mamberg was his priority and Tommy knew that since the begginning. And Tommy started rambling about how the disks were important to him and saying than Techno is selfish, when in reality he stood by Tommy's side like nobody (not even Tubbo) did before
Im kind of annoyed that Philza got cut out of that conversation. The "And you're not?" in the middle of that convo holds a lot of power..
Edit: Also, as much as Techno is right, he is still generally a bad guy. He has his reasons, but he is more bad than good.
@@queenmaeve2861 He's more of an antihero than anything. He has good intentions, but the way he does them seem moraly wrong
@@puppens101 In the eyes of the audience, he is. But from the eyes of everyone but his allies, he is the bad guy, is more what I am saying.
@@queenmaeve2861 O H, now I see what you're saying. Ty for clearing that up 💜 And I definitely agree with that
@@puppens101 No problem. Some people would think it is a pretty hot take. Glad we could have a good discussion though!
I think techno's point is that there can be groups but there can not be a leader because power corrupts
*cough* says one of the most powerful people on the server *coughs*
@@celestinebuendia i don't see no leader here
@@celestinebuendia Powerful as in physically strong, not power over others so its not the same
@@celestinebuendia it's the power of ruling the government that's corrupted not the physical strength of power lmao
@@celestinebuendia p sure even techno explained in the stream where he was trying to recruit niki. his power is like “i can hold a gvn to someone’s head” kind of power (kind of like, physically stong kind of power) and not power that can instigate systematic violence and justify it as “for the greater good” like governments do.
Technoblade isn't against cohesion. He just doesn't want a central authority. Cooperation and friendship is what he wants. Anarchy doesn't mean no order. It means no authoritive order. The way Technoblade explained it at least.
"Nikki and I kinda have the same hair,"
Yes you do because both of you rock that hair
man the "you only thought me as a weapon I've always just been the blade to you" still gets me
That's where it really really clicked for me!
Techno's *"I'm a person!"* scene always hits me really hard for two reasons.
*The first is that only Phil and Ranboo treated him like an actual person throughout the precious arcs.* Everyone else saw him as an instrument of war. The Butcher Army saw him as an instrument that would be used against them, and Tommy thought he could use him and then let him go when he didn't see a use for him anymore.
Ranboo treated him kindly because Techno treated him fairly, so Techno repayed Ranboo's kindness by staying his friend even when Ranboo sided against him, telling him to run in a scene that got cut from this conglomerate of scenes and acts.
If Tommy had just let L'manberg, the actual emotionless, thoughtless, inhuman country go, and helped Techno get rid of the government there, maybe L'manberg the country could have stayed.
But instead he tossed Techno away like an old sword when he saw a chance to go back to the people he saw as important, ignoring any consequences this would have for the country he loved and how this would drive Techno to destroy it completely.
Techno's always acted with his rage, but his moral code may have allowed him to negotiate with L'manberg, let the country live on without government.
*The second is, well, that I'm non-binary, and I see a lot of hate for us on the internet, including denials that we exist.* It always hurts me when I see this hate, and I often take ot to heart, telling myself that I'm just faking or that I shouldn't be non-binary because it's wrong. I always just want to say that I'm a person with feelings and a family and a life, but I don't have the confidence to say anything, so I stay quiet. The scene doesn't relate at all, but I feel the meaning in my soul. It hurts every time I hear this because it's something that I don't just need to tell others, but something I need to tell myself.
You, Bean Soup, ARE A PERSON.
Just wanted to let you know, have a nice day.
Technoblade has never said "nobody can have anything." He literally says "I want to destroy the government." 2 different things that you're consistently convoluted. A server can exist with no governing body
As for the Experience in Techno's Stream, we're all Chanting "Blood For The Blood God"
I don't know if you saw the memes about this, but Philza and Technos' side were really fun, like it was fantastic and energetic and very wholesome. Then you saw the loosing side and it was so dramatic and sad, others were just vibing lol. If you have free time I think you would enjoy whatching Technos or Philza's side too. Again I recommend watching the "Dream is homeless" bit in Technos' second channel.
There's a part that this video didn't show, and it's this confrontation between Ghostbur and Philza: ua-cam.com/video/LTTw3Y9WYd4/v-deo.html&ab_channel=streamersstanaccount
I recommend watching it, as it's one of the most emotional parts of the Doomsday War imo and Wilbur's acting is incredible in it, not to mention it adds quite a bit to both of their characters.
Genuinely my absolute favorite from Doomsday. It's a specially impactful two-punch alongside Phil saying he did what he did because he had to kill Wilbur.
I feel like it also needs Phil's little talk to his chat afterwards
@Gerzenian Aje Mapping and Gaming not rly, he was streaming the same day that tommy wanted to get vikstar to live with him, but he just didn't have the ghost voice changer yet
wow this missed almost all the ranboo moments because he was mostly silent but was writing stuff the whole time and that rely was interesting
Yeah!
Even the part where Techno & he talked and Techno gave his book back was cut out.
It was the main reason why now he lives near Techno & Philza.
@@Sunkcostfallecy Plus when he was in the panic room and Phil checked on him
48:07 What isn’t shown in this edit is that Techno splashed his dogs with invisibility, so what you see here isn’t even all the dogs present because most of them are invisible.
tommy actually agreed to destroying l'manberg b4 betraying techno. He also got struck by lightning before the anthem, twice
Nobody:
Techno: “That’s the signal!! Why did I pearl into it!?” & “This Wither sucks why is it like this!?”
"who spawned withers"
The secret best moment of this entire event is Tommy getting struck by lightning
Personally I’d say Tommy is a massive hypocrite in this war. Even till the bitter end he’s just blaming everyone else. Either way L’mannburg lost its final life...
I don’t know what to say about someone thinking Tommy fighting for the thing he’s always fought for being hypocritical but you do you I guess
@@celestinebuendia "Tommy fighting for the thing he's always fought for"
You mean destroying things he fought for? If it weren't for him, all of these wars would've been over. jschlatt wouldn't be evil, Tommy overthrowed a government and replaced it with another. jschlatt was elected under legal circumstances.
@@designdweller Technically, Tommy himself has stated he started a war. In his video, "So I Started a Minecraft War vs Dream", I think the title's pretty self-explanatory.
@@designdweller Quackity and jschlatt formed an agreement that Quackity would be VP and jschlatt be president.
@@maru93-c1x why did you just regurgitate one of Techno’s lines like a copypasta? you okay pal?
again, Tommy didn’t start almost anything and idek what you’re talking about with jschlatt
Canon deaths have to have huge weights, they don'tcount as canon when a shit ton of people are going to die at once. Also, the tree Nikki destroyed was L'mantree, a super important tree to everyone in l'manburg.
Funny how lmanberg ended like schlatt did. Alone and isolated with everyone either indifferent or against it. In the end, it was just tommy tubbo and quackity.
well, schlatt did say that "if he dies, the country goes down with him."
All Dream do is Gaslight children, eat hot chips, and lie!
Straight facts right here
And all men do is betray Techno eat hot chip and lie.
@@shinobi0474 might want to correct techno with Tommy but whatever
@@qq3xy347 no he was quoting what techno said in that one stream
@@lightjustwantsahome1086 I see what you mean but still
surprisingly, none of the deaths were canon in this fight.
Ikr.
When i was watching Tommys stream live i was ready for someone to die.
I was pretty suprised that none of the deaths were canon but im happy pf course :>
player Have Died In The War
Actually there were.
L'Manburg lost it's last canon life, gg.
@@maru93-c1x hello
@@maru93-c1x oh true true. ANY TRUERS???
Actually in this doomsday techno's goal of anarchy was his 2nd main priority. He's main priority was revenge since he just left everyone and went hiding but they just executed him and dream was the one who actually helped by giving him the totem! techno that's why he sided with them! Also Phill ofc. And ranboo is the main character!!!( It's a meme bcs what is right now happening in ranboo's arc.
I agree with Ranboo in the fact that Dream is the reason for everything, but I also agree with Dream, Techno, and Phil blowing up L'manburg as that place was corrupted
Dream didn’t blow it up because it was corrupt, he blew it up to show how powerful he was. He blew it up because he wanted power over those people. He wanted to get rid of their hope.
@@ShilohBluecube To be fair to Dream, L'manburg was built by two con-artists/criminals who were racist against Americans and hated him for having basic rules that everyone else agreed with, and they built it solely to paint him as a tyrant.
Said criminals stole his land, slandered him, and then dragged others into the conflict before demanding freedom or DEATH. And Dream was actually merciful enough to only explode their fortifications, then await either a surrender... or for them to try and gear up for a revolt, where he put them down hard.
He then accepted a 1v1 during their own surrender, with the terms being him taking off all of his armor, poisoning himself... And still won.
He then accepted a TRADE for their use of his land, in exchange for the disks, so that he could have SOME CONTROL over the most aggressive criminal of their side.
Their first act as a government, after such a gracious deal? Putting "SUCK IT GREEN MAN!" in their declaration of independence. 0.o
Said criminal also immediately worked to steal the disks back, and continues to this day to say Dream stole them from him.
Frankly, Dream would have been justified in blowing L'manburg to pieces all the way back then. He didn't though. He kept them far away from HIS kingdom, even after he gave up his crown, and watched them tear each other apart with only minimal assistance on all sides.
@@silverangelics That’s what’s good about Dream’s character. He wasn’t just a bland villian just so there was conflict, he had actual build up and eventually he just went insane with power.
@@ShilohBluecube I'd even argue he didn't go insane with power. He went insane with loss.
He said it himself eventually, he cut all of his attachments... But that's not quite true, because two of those attachments turned their back on HIM... On the words of Quackity... And Tommyinnit.
As for Niki, when Phil made his big declaration about wills death being the reason for his hatred- that was the first time Nikis character found out that Wilbur was dead and not just gone. That’s when she started freaking out and she burned the lmantree. Then upon seeing ghostbur she thought she was going crazy and went to the bakery she had built in lmanburg with Wilbur. It had somehow remained untouched. She started freaking out and blew it up to “escape the memories”
Honestly it’s one of my favorite moments from the server and I wish you got to see it in full cause Niki is so underrated
The lives lost during this battle aren’t canon lives! In general, most battle deaths aren’t canon. It’s because a canon death has to be scripted or considered scripted by the writers for it to actually be canon. Even if a death occurs during canon events, that doesn’t mean it’s a canon death. During literal battles, it’s almost impossible to control who lives and dies. If deaths during canon battles counted, Karl would be permadead two times over because of how many times he died during the final Manberg War. Almost none of the Battle of the Lake deaths were canon, while almost all of the opposing side died.
It’s important to remember, at least past the point where the canon death system was firmly established, that canon deaths are reserved SOLELY FOR THE PLOT. Canon deaths are a plot device first and foremost. It’s not just a counter for players to avoid, able to go down at a stray swing of a sword, it’s a tool for the writers to bring the permanent threat of death into the story.
Technoblade: I hate trees
Mrbeast: *visible disappointment*
fundys turn was built up to through the dream smp. a war you missed is the pet war where sapnap killed fundys pets in the pogtopia vs manberg war he lost trust with everyone and his father wilber now hated him. so then wilber died and fundy became a orphan. one more thing to add is that phil is his grandfather and he hates him
Are you saying Phil hates him or fundy hates philza???
Cause if your saying philza hates fundy he has a reason, the butcher army ( fundy was a part of it ) broke stuff in his home , stole stuff , insulted him, put him on house arrest and was hunting his best friend plus philza had a perfect view of the execution ,phil took fundy in and fundy does this to him
@@artsygremlin9091 I did mean phil hates fundy but fundy did deserve it, dont get me wrong just saying that it contributed in fundys arc
@@lennysmith5789 yeah
Fundy's SBI blood is stronger than we thought respect
I think yobgs forgot the blood god's wrath
I was just out shoveling snow all afternoon, I have my cup of hot chocolate ready and I'm cozy in my bed, time to binge!
Great hope u have a great hot chocolate :)
@@drained_yayo Thank you, it is very good :)
Cool:)DmanDragon
haha same, snow is such a pain xd
I wish I got snow
funny thing is the L'mantree is supposed to be there since the beginning of L'manberg but its just a random sapling Jschlatt planted lmao
I thought you gonna react to techno's steam and I waiting for "TUBBO GONE CRAB RAVE"
"George didn't even log in" That about sums up his participation during big events lmao
For people who don't fully understand canon lives on the DreamSMP, I explain it like this:
You have a stage show, and there's a set piece for a volcano. At the end of your show your main villain (let's call them Tom), after a long battle, with huge amounts of emotion in it, gets pushed into the volcano, which is his canonical death.
During one of your early performances, one of the background characters (let's call them Sam) trips and falls into the volcano with no emotional action or anything that makes it feel important or impactful.
Yes, in-character, Sam did die, but it's not as important or impactful as Tom's canonical death, so you don't consider that as canonical (and the audience probably won't care too much)
Also, to quote Wilbur, "The audience doesn't decide what's canonical," and makes the point that it's the writers who decide whether or not their character actually died. For examples, see everytime Superman "died," or you can think about the difference between Tubbo accidentally not seeing a ravine and dying of fall damage, versus *Wilbur's Final Death*
For the record, mass combat death are pretty much never cannon. If you look at all of the cannon deaths, they're all either from duels or from key moments that aren't combat.
A CANON DEATH IS SCRIPTED if techno just kills someone in a war it's not canon
“Sam, you can just watch dream” oh you don’t even know
FINALLY! YoBGS FINALLY ADMITS TECHNO WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG
Yeah... I don’t know about that champ.
For Fundy and Niki, their arcs are specifically tied to Wilbur. Niki was one of Wilbur's biggest supporters, a vocal critic of Schlatt during his administration and the one who made the LManberg flag, but losing Wilbur made her feel disconnected with LManberg and that she was never listened to. Tommy, who was the last person Wilbur was close to when he was alive, became the person she placed her blame on because she needed somebody to blame.
As for Fundy. Being Wilbur's son, he felt constantly babied by his dad, and thus tried to prove himself by becoming a spy against Schlatt, however, he started getting attached to Schlatt as well, finding the recognition he wanted from his dad in Schlatt. However, Schlatt turned out to be a horrible person and he in the end sided with Wilbur. And then Wilbur died, and tried mending his relationship with him as Ghostbur. However, Ghostbur cannot remember memories that make him sad so he cannot process why Fundy was upset by him for abandoning him. The last person he had was his Grandfather, Phil, who disowned him after putting him on House arrest. So Fundy lost everyone and thus lost all hope.
Both of them felt forgotten and both of them were corrupted by Wilbur's actions.
“And of course Technobla- Uh oh-“
Tubbos death on this well everyone's death is not canon here also tubbos death are 1:Eret betreyal 2:Festival
You mean the Festival?
@@syystomu yes
The story of how Technoblade never trusted anybody ever again...
Except for Philza of course :)
(we'll see if we can eventually add Ranboo)
If you can, I would really suggest finding a way to see what Ranboo was up to both during and immediately after Doomsday, as where he ends up next may be a bit confusing without the context of specific interactions during that time.
So here's the most important things to watch to pick up some important events that aren't in Blueberry TV's cut.
Start with Ranboo's stream here: www.twitch.tv/videos/863646779?filter=all&sort=time from ~30:45 - 2:05:30 he has a lot of important conversations with people in the aftermath of the battle that were skipped by Blueberry and you will see when he meets up with Phil and Techno mid-fight.
Then go to Philza's stream Here: www.twitch.tv/videos/867829367?filter=all&sort=time and watch from ~55:00-2:21:52. Most will be recap but it does include a bunch of the aftermath that you otherwise miss out on. You mostly just want to see his conversations with Ghostbur and a bit of what he and Technoblade talk about after getting back to their house.
Then go back to Ranboo, finish his perspective and you'll have everything taken care of.
Tommy: If I'm so bad, let God strike me down where I stand.
God: I gotchu fam.
Tommy: ...
Some of the dogs were invisible and had strength potions splashed on them.
They didn’t put in the part when Tommy got struck by lightning ⚡️💀
"Go a thousand blocks away and build a town there" you have an exceptional foreshadow power
Techno have so many joke during war they just cut it out :(
Fundy has a fantastic character arc. He goes from the son of the general of L'Manberg constantly being told he's too young. To being overlooked by his own father during the Manburg v Pogtopia Arc. And looks up at Schlatt as the first major authority figure to give him validation. He betrayed Schlatt when he saw he was going off the rails, and even then. No one in Pogtopia trusted him. He joined Tubbo's administration and saw a new beginning while trying to move on from his father haunting him. He tried connecting with his Grandpa (Phil) and there was supposed to be an adoption, but Eret slept in.
So in the spiral to madness for Fundy it's almost mirroring Wilbur's Insanity. If I can't have "______" then no one can.
There's an entire Tumblr community dedicated to FUNDY they're a lot less active on Twitter. I probably didn't do it justice in anyway that they would like, but I would like to point out the fundy's characters super interesting.
Oh they didn't show that Ghostbur and Phil scene, man....
46:07 They said not to use crystals because during that fight where Dream put down that one crystal, L'Manburg was canonically supposed to blow up when Wilbur pressed the button. Some behind the scenes here, Philza, Wilbur, and Dream spent a lot of time off camera putting TNT under L'Manburg and planning how and where it was gonna blow up, they even practiced the button press when the redstone was disconnected so that the moment wasn't ruined. Philza even logged off in the tunnel leading into the room so that in Wilbur's POV it would look like Phil just magically appeared to try to stop Wilbur from blowing it all up. Phil said all of this during his Hardcore season 4 stream yesterday, February 1st 2021.
I still believe that Tommy's side of the argument against Technoblade made no sense.
Glad you're in the 99.9% majority
Hello 👋.
i think there’s validity in his point of view, but his actual argument was pretty nonsensical (but that’s also pretty in character for tommy lmao)
And I still believe that most of Techno’s arguments are extremely hypocritical.
Tommy basically said “You could have not blown up everything people care about. Why do you not care at all about the feelings and values of other people and crush them because you think you know better? And now you think you’re justified because you don’t deserve consequences?” while Techno was like “You betrayed me! I’m more loyal!” and “I’m hurt about those times where from my perspective you used me and didn’t back me up!” and also generally “I didn’t do anything wrong, I told you in advance! It’s totally not like you did the same thing, nope!”
Like, c’mon. Really?
Pretty sure Tommy got it stuck in his head that he's hypocritical for blaming Techno for destroying the government when he still wanta to go after the discs, so he tried to explain why the two goals were different. Only nobody never accused him of that and he never stopped to get his thoughts in order so it ended up as this very painful word soup.
The next, Tommy talked to Tubbo and made his case against Techno again and this time he was much more coherent. He even brought up some valid points about how Techno is basically enforcing his ideology regardless of what other people think inbetween deflecting blame and trying to explain how he didn't betray Techno.
Here's the thing that becomes apparent when you watch all sides: Techno puts in the work while Tommy USES people, all throughout the server all that Tommy has ever done is steal lie and demand, he'll get people to work for him and if they win he'll take all the credit but if they lose he'll blame everybody else and he refuses to see any one else's point of view.
Meanwhile Techno he has very few friends it's just Phil and Ranboo and he treasures those friends greatly he went into this war telling Phil to not get involved because he was worried for his friends last life and (idk if Blueberry kept it in) during the chaos of war Techno got Ranboo's book off of Quackity, gave it to him and reassured Ranboo that he could run away and that he'd help him leave.
TL;DR: Techno "god of blood" Blade cares for people while Tommy "the protagonist" Innit does not.
1:09:15 The relationship between Tommy and Dream is a lot like that between the protagonist and Flowey in Undertale. In that game, Flowey has total control over the timeline, but the protagonist is the only one with true free will, and so is the only person Flowey, in his own twisted sense, has any fun "playing" with.
I doubt dream has fun, he seems more frustrated.
@@totallynotgadSpoilers for the most recent few weeks on DSMP
In the Final Dream Confrontation, Dream refuses to kill Tommy, but is fully willing and trying to kill Tubbo in the basement and lock up Tommy in Sam''s prison once he has gloated about taking everything everyone has loved. Once everyone arrives, Tommy even walks up to Dream, alone, unarmed, against Dream in full netherite, and Dream refuses to kill him and take his last life, instead electing to follow Tommy's instructions and give him all of his gear. Dream wouldn't do that if he didn't enjoy the cat-and-mouse game of suffering he is inflicting on Tommy.
Major spoiler, hope yobgs doesn't read that.
@@totallynotgad alright, sorry
NOW, I am HYPED for him to see the "ENDGAME" of this Arc. Wooo
I don’t think the video showed this but during the battle Techno got Ranboo’s book and gave to back him saying that he had nothing against him and to run away. It’s not much but I think it’s a good example of how techno treats people the same way they treat him.
Theres a bunch of good jokes cut out during the destruction of Lmanberg. You should definitely watch techno’s pov in your spare time.
A Canon Death is a major death in the storyline of the Dream SMP.
That's what I know.
In case you weren't aware, in the middle of the battle Quackity dropped Ranboo's book and Techno picked it up. Ranboo heard him talking about it and went over to get it. Techno gave it back saying "I have nothing against you...go... if you leave now, no one will notice."
"Except that Wither, that Wither definitely noticed"
Thank you! I kinda missed all of that because, well, death was happening
Also have to appreciate the fact that technoblade didn't read the very private book (The lore says that Ranboo writes down his important memories so he remembers them) unlike quackitity also took the time to give it back
Something you should know, pvp deaths normally do not count as canon life’s.
This is the event that really kinda ruined tommy's character arc . he has no case against technoblade in this argument and is acting like well a child appropriately.
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eh I disagree, because he’s not entirely wrong. Techno is right, he’s been betrayed and used from the start, and sure, maybe his intentions are rooted in some sort of good. But ends can’t always justify the means. And Tommy has a point too. Techno is so focused on eradicating government and enforcing anarchy, that he doesn’t care if he hurts the people he claims to be helping in the process. Sure it’s frustrating that Tommy can’t see Techno’s side completely, even if he does admit to betraying him and doing wrong, even apologizing later, but is it also not true of Techno? That he refuses to see Tommy’s? Cus Tommy’s right. Maybe they betrayed Techno during the original Manburg war. But Techno killed Tommy’s best friend, twice, helped destroy the one thing he had left, the one thing he’d poured his heart and soul into, the one thing he chose over the discs, and expects to get off scot free? And really, how did New L’manberg effect him besides that time they tried to punish him for what he’d done. What gives Techno the right to decide what’s best for everyone else? He expects to just live his happy little life in a cabin with Phil? He likes to talk big talk of consequences, of how he was hurt, but when the people HES hurt retaliate, it suddenly isn’t his fault? Just because Techno’s IDEALS may have some truth, doesn’t make his actions justified. And remember, we can talk arguments over the opposing ideals Tommy and Techno have all day, but that ignores the fact that, Tommy DID make it clear from the start he wouldn’t help destroy L’manberg. And Techno DID join Tommy’s abuser to take away one of the things he loved most... AGAIN. They are two deeply hurt people, scarred by those close to them, both unwilling to hear the other. Neither is right, and neither is wrong either.
@@latewlk i mean in the dream smp
Like everyone right and everyones wrong thats the thing
21:26 that is what techno is trying to establish, through violence as talking has proved ineffective. We need people, not government.
Kinda fitting to post this on the sixth month anniversary of L'manberg. o7
There's not much else I can say about this, except that I wish you'd seen the confrontation between Wil and Philza after Doomsday. I just think Ghostbur's neat.
Also, fun fact, did you know the L'mantree was planted by Schlatt during his first visit to the DSMP? It was never "the last original tree". Fitting that the one thing keeping the spirit of the country alive was not even real.
L'manberg's original flag had three crosses on it. Three lives. It got blown up three times: during the independence war, during the Manberg war, and during Doomsday. Bye L'manberg.
Tubbo lost his first life in the eret betrayal, then his second in his execution by technoblade and he still has his last life.
Hbomb: who on this server is considered good?
YoBGS: Ranboo
*You now have all the Ranboo watchers on your side 👏*
He is though. He just wants everyone to be friends. Like it feels like he wants that even more than his own sanity.
@@YoBGS that is very true
Ranboo had a whole extra monologue after the battle that got cut which you might find interesting btw
Yeah, Im not a fan of how much good stuff got cut. Especially that monologue was so good
Okay, so basically the way to tell if something is a canon death is by how people react to it in character. You can usually figure out if a death is canon after the fact, if people refer to it as an inciting incident, or act upset about it. Non canon deaths you can usually replace with "wounded" or "injured" without the narrative changing at all.
Also I kinda hate that this didn't include Niki's reaction to finding out how Wilbur died and seeing his ghost for the first time. It's why she looked on the verge of panic while blowing up her bakery.
Once again Tommy missed the point of all of this; he betrays everyone he comes across, everyone he asked for help, everyone who gave it willingly.
And yet he's the one that says he has been betrayed by his friends....
The only one he hasn't betrayed is Tubb-oh waaaaait....right, he lied to Tubbo about George's house, and didn't realise the consequences, completely endangering the very thing he fought for, and none of that, was anyone's fault but his own.
Everyone? Like, two people? One of them being a person he came back to in the end and apologized to?
And griefed a house, a common crime on this server? And while Tubbo was wronged, most wrongs committed were of a personal nature related to trust in their friendship? And the only reason the conflict escalated to the point it did was because of Dream manipulating the situation for his own gain?
Ah yes, man wrongs his friend takes weeks to make up with him and suddenly he deserves hell on earth. What strong reasoning.
@@celestinebuendia
Endangered any who was part of L'Manburg by not owning up to his mistake, sure Dream would've found a way around, but Tommy still betrayed the trust he was given.
When Ranboo was "outed as a traitor", when he simply helped Tommy, did Tommy step to his defense? No, he watched and walked away, AGAIN.
Has he ever payed anyone back from helping him fight Jschlat? No, he took all of them for granted.
Did he help Wibur to try and come back from those explosive thoughts? Nope he turned his back when Wilbur would've needed him. Most people who have such destructive thoughts reject mental help. And Tommy walked away, stating "he's gone fucking insane".
Techno, he took Tommy in despite the animosity. He held out a hand when most turned it away. Even though he has been stabbed in the back by Tommy several times already.
Niki, Eret and Fundy, have gave Tommy aid, sometimes he didn't even ask for it. Yet he disregarded any form of a thanks, why do you think Niki has said that she felt left behind, never listened to?
The thought didn't sprout out of the ground.
Tubbo, Tommy has always not taken Tubbo seriously or for granted (at this moment of L'Manburg's destruction, he realises later). While exile got him to see that, when he came back he suddenly forgets that tidbit.
Tommy has basically done a more subtle version of what dream did to him during exile; building up something, only for Tommy/Dream to come out of nowhere and tear it all down.
The only difference between him and Dream for this manipulation, his that dream did it willingly, Tommy seems to not realise it.
“You’re selfish, you destroy what other people love for your own self gain.”- Tommy to Technoblade
Times Tommy has used Techno specifically to benefit himself/ his friends :
-Overthrowing schlatt
-The pet war (“I have the blade” moment)
-Hiding himself from Dream
-Getting back the disks
-Techno even stood up for Tommy when he was framed for blowing up the community house.
And what tommy did in return:
-blamed Techno for killing tubbo despite doing nothing himself while Fundy could have easily done the same and admitted in his diary he felt betrayed by Tubbo, and Tubbo forgave Techno
-Never thanked him once.
-Tried forming a government in front of him despite knowing Techno is firmly anti government.
-Made a giant cobble tower and other obvious signs revealing his location to dream.
-Betrayed Techno taking one of his strongest weapons.
-valuing disks over his friendship
-joined up with the one group of people Techno was fighting
-goes on to babble random nonsense saying Techno betrayed HIM.
Tommy's character is selfish, having never helped Techno once even though Techno has helped him multiple times. All he cared about were two pieces of plastic that sounded good in a jukebox.
(This is about the characters not the people themselves, all people talked about here are great and play their characters as they are written with their flaws.)
What I found hilarious is that BOTH Tommy and Techno is a hypocrite in this thing, and hell they surprisingly similar.
Tommy did said he don’t want o hurt Tubbo and just want to get the disc back, Techno mostly talk over it. Tommy is selfish. He want the disc and shut, but also fucking loyal to Tubbo even both of them shit themselves over, the disc and Lmanburg is not just a thing for him, it a memory of the time he was happy and Lmanburg is really his home, the kid want home. And now it blown up the moment he finally can comeback.
Techno did have a point of the government corrupted but at the same time play as victims of say “I am a person” yet he doesn’t act like one from show everyone that he is the strongest & richest one in the server. He go on a retirement after wreck a country and thought he go away with it. As much butcher army is shit but they have a right to go after Techno, just one dead of the three that he have and hell he not going to die in pvp so this is only way for him getting consequence of destroy a home of group of people.
Tommy value his past happy memories and his friendship with Tubbo. Techno value people and friendship
The two are surprisingly similar but don’t see eachother point and try to put their value to other and think they will change.
For me they both are hypocrites.
But what make me more frustrated is they think to “teach someone a lesson” is by using violence. THAT SHIT NOT GOING TO WORK!!! Look at Tommy in exile, he got shit from Dream everyday and what did they think he learn from it other that his action to steal shits in order to survive is only way to go and go back to his habits AND WORST BECAUSE HE MIRROR ALL THE PEOPLE WRONG HIM. Violence only make people learn fear and cause trauma, nothing that give positive reinforcement to make someone a better person.
i have never agreed so wholeheartedly with a take before lmao
Something I have gotta bring up, everyone says Techno blew up L'Manburg originally.
When all *HE* did was spawn two Withers, L'Manburg was already blown up at that point.