Many people here agree with what Iron is saying because it makes sense, but this is actually a well developed and researched political science topic. I really liked AW because it is clear that the writers of this game actually put in the effort and produced a thoughtful and intelligent plot supported by a well-documented study.
Maybe you didn't get the message then. This kind of racism and unfounded superiority complex is just baked into society, and that is what the game is commenting on. Its relatively simple commentary to be honest.
Hell yeah my friend, Saw all the shit in the news, this is what hit my mind first. All that support wasted, all that death and fucking money just wasted for nothing.
I came here thinking the same thing. Wanted to hear the speech again, I forgot about the end though. About wanting rules over freedom... Reminds me of some other current events...
Truer words have never been spoken. Democracy requires foundations. Without that social foundation, a democracy is worse than a dictatorship. It is full of social chaos.
@Ricky Des Safry keep in mind, that topple was under Obama. Videos on his speeches for a "more democratic Lybia" have comments sections blocked. At least the ones that I seen. Makes you wonder why democracy are necessary for countries that they don't have the support for it. The day we bring our troops home and stop butting in other countries business would be great. But that is wishful thinking. The US government will always have those officials who want war. Doesn't matter if they are the obvious Republicans or the sneaky Democrats. They will want war one way or another. Ironically enough, it reminds of that one quote from General Shepherd from MW2. "What happens there matters what happens here. We don't get to sit one out."
@@marseldagistani1989 Not even remotely. The US is the longest running Representative Democracy on the planet, and despite it's deep, deep flaws, the most successful.
Very true. Especially considering recent events. You cannot expect going in to a non-Western country and installing a Western system by force to work, especially when the people in these countries have lived by morals and principles completely different for thousands of generations.
Or better yet, a dictatorship at least promises they wont create bitter resentful remnants who had loved ones who got disappeared blowing up US buildings or assassinating delegates Funny that BLOPs 2 addressed that
@@warlordofbritannia And let's not forget Guatemala. There is a reason why installing dictatorships work is because you don't have disgruntled banana farmers fly planes into the world trade center
Building a liberal democracy is like growing a flower in the desert. It works if you do it right. Afghanistan's failure was mainly due to corruption, had the US authorities done anything about it? Hardly. UN human rights, freedom, democracy, world peace all play a role. People can internalise those important values and live them out. Because those values are based on reason. And that is what the brave Ukrainians are fighting for, against Putin's tyranny and against Russia's political foreign domination.
1:00 - 1:16 “People want rules, boundaries, protections from invaders and from themselves. People need a leader who can both provide the constraints and the support to keep chaos at bay. And you give them that, and they will follow.” I can’t agree more with Jonathan Irons.
@@minderaserenlightenmentlea7330 Im guessing because Putin is the exact type of leader people here are talking about, with full power over his country, without freedom and with total protection from everything. And yeah he might not be the brightest leader he still is the exact type of leader people here are talking about.
you got better things to do than talk about some broken ass country now being run by terrorists. and DON'T tell me that these terrorist acts AREN'T like ones. you are clearly not taking a good look at the european and islamic types.
This is what I like in a memorable villain. They may be psychotic, violent and hypocritical. But they're the ones who actually have a point. (Additional: Glad to have so much response to this old comment. Thanks. My comment was more about how I like villains who have valid words, valid points and reasoning, but it does not justify their crimes, actions, and sacrificial solutions. I wish more stories allow characters and players to consider the valid points and find a good solution to the problem that's different from the villains' or find reasonable compromises. Advanced Warfare may have been disappointing but the scenes themselves when isolated showed a lot of potential if given the right context. Thank you everyone. And my apologies for anyone who have been hurt by my mistakes in this comment thread.)
Just hearing Kevin Spacey voice this reminds me of Hopper from A Bug's Life. That one famous quote: _"You let one ant stand up to us, then they all might stand. Those ouny little ants has got us 100-1, and if they ever find that out there goes OUR WAY OF LIFE! THAT'S WHY WE'RE GOING BACK!! ....Anyone else wanna stay?"_
Well of course, the most dangerous mad man is the one that has a very solid reason for his madness. Up until that point, you can understand and maybe even agree with his logic. After that line, he jumps straight to megalomanic.
A lot of people seem to agree with the villain, but the villain only has half of the picture. He’s arguing for security at the expense of freedom, but the two aren’t mutually exclusive. In reality, many people want both. Power provides both. At the end of the day, people want power, because power provides the freedom and security to achieve one’s goals. I’m not just talking about institutional power. I just mean power as a general concept. The power to accomplish one’s objectives, whether they’re as simple as living to the next day or as megalomaniacal as ruling the entire world under a single ruler. We’ll only give up freedom for security if we feel we don’t have enough security. We’ll only give up security for freedom if we feel we don’t have enough freedom.
@viktor colbert Oh, you’re one of those quote people. You do know that people can just read the comment I already posted, right? Anyways, I don’t see why security must require regulation. Sure, my security may come at the expense of someone else’s freedom to wrong me, but my security doesn’t come at the expense of my freedom. See, freedom and security are functionally independent of one another. Freedom without security is risky, while security without freedom is living death. In the interpersonal example I used above, the fact that my security comes at the expense of somebody else’s freedom to wrong me is a matter of comparative power. My freedom may infringe upon somebody else’s freedom, my security may infringe upon somebody else’ security, and freedom may infringe upon security in either direction. But it all comes down to power. If I am more powerful, then I can pick and choose what levels of freedom and security you have. That’s why one appears to come at the expense of another: because having more power means you can infringe upon whatever you choose.
Oh don't deny it, you've loved it. You don't actually need me to stand for anything, you just need me to stand. To be the strong man, the man of action. My god you are addicted to action and slogans. It doesn't matter what I say... it doesn't matter what I do... just as long as I am doing something, you’re happy to be along for the ride. And frankly, I don’t blame you. With all the foolishness and indecision in your lives, why not a man like me? I don’t apologize. In the end, I don’t care whether you love me or you hate me, just as long as I win. The deck is stacked. The rules are rigged. Welcome to the death of the Age of Reason. There is no right or wrong. Not anymore. There’s only being in, and then being out.
The only dislikable thing about Kevin Spacey is that he came out as gay in the worst possible way. I don't have to like him in order to agree that he is pretty good at his job as an actor.
+Beerbottles123 He wants to get things done. There should have been an option to side with this guy, maybe some DLC at least, that gives us a glimpse of his way.
He is not exactly Hitler or racist. Hitler at least is fighting for Germany and is more racist, but Irons is fighting only for his company. He doesn't support any nations even his home country the U.S. His company even brought stability to the Middle East and rebuilt Iraq as well as other cities in the world. Unlike the UN or the 5 permanent member nations, he gets things done instead of talks and blank promises like most politicians and organizations are today.
The first part I agree completely. The second derails too much. What do people really want? Maslow described it best. Start small, start simple: people want food, you don't want to give it away for free. Too much free stuff, no effort, that's a recipe for desaster. Give them a place to stay, some rations for the beggining, a job to start building infracstructure to start and watch them go build a country they feel is truly theirs. Only then can you introduce the concept of democracy as politicians would understand it. Comitee while people starve or freeze to death? What the hell would they need suits for at that moment?
This game was so much cooler in my mind than in practice, I thought that it was going to be taking down a rogue president of America and not a corporation. (thought was not based off current political climate)
KingofKings Not that I comparing him with someone, but Hitler gave outstanding speeches to the people and in the end humanity killed each other in an unimaginable scale... So we have to be careful with those who say that will bring peace and freedom to everyone in the planet.
Yes, a guy who literally sacrificed 50.000 of his own people just to gain credibility. Sure lets go to war for that guy, i'm totally gonna trust him.....
That is why the United States is a republic, not a democracy. Democracy means "by the majority" while Republic means "by the law." Even the Founding Fathers themseĺves stated that the U.S. is a republic. The Pledge of Allegiance said that it's a republic. There are democracies that are not republics but they are still ruled by law.
@@CantoniaCustomsYou still didn't disprove his point. Just because anyone over 18 can vote doesn't mean you can vote to reintroduce slavery. There, it isn't a democracy.
This is so true. If you want a democracy, you need to have a dictator first to build a basic foundation. Or at least a government with so many rules. Look at South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, Indonesia
Thats nice of you but probably take indonesia out of the list, as an indonesian we probably would succed like them as well but thats not the case for us
Taiwanese here.I still don't think we Taiwan deserve a democracy,most of our people are easy to manipulate(retard in someway),especially older and more conservative generation
>>Jonathan Irons: Democracy? Democracy. Democracy is not what these people need, hell, it's not even what they want. America has been trying to install democracies in nations for a century and it hasn't worked one time. Now why do you think that is? Because these countries don't have the most basic building blocks to support a democracy. Little things like, "We ought to be tolerant of those that disagree with us." Or, "We ought to be tolerant of those who worship a different god than us!" Or, "A journalist ought to be able to disagree with the fucking president!" And you think you can just march into these countries - based on some fundamentalist, religious principles - drop a few bombs, topple a dictator and start a democracy? Huh. Give me a break. People don't want freedom. They want rules… boundaries… protection… From invaders, and from themselves. People need a leader who can give them both the support and constraints to keep chaos at bay. You give them that, and they'll follow. And that's where I come in.
This game had potential. He could've been up there with Shepherd and Menendez if they had given us an option to remain with Atlas instead of "muRicA gUd". Imagine the insight we could've gotten into the PMC perspective
It's pretty bad when the tyrannocal evil bad guy there wants to manipulate the world to his bidding literally has not told a single lie throughout the game and has quite frankly been more honest than what some real people say and do at the end of the day we are all selfish selfish self-centered eager to suggest ourselves righteous people doesn't mean we're bad doesn't mean we're evil doesn't mean we're bad doesn't mean we're bad doesn't mean we're bad doesn't mean we're bad doesn't even matter in the basic human form is survival and the human body does like any animal will do what it takes to survive
And this kids is how you make a convincing Authoritarian villain. Never underestimate people's fundamental need for security and how it can undermine their better judgement.
@@awddfg in my opinion, it really depends. Everything that he said was right except about freedom... As long as humanity exists liberty will never perish, that's something that costed millions of lives and years for us to accomplish it and believe me, many will fight for it. Of course, you can counter argument me saying that "but it doesn't put food in my mouth or give me security" and my answer is "so as authoritarian governments and ideologies". We have so many examples of it reality. damn, just look at China right now. That's what happens when a Brute is put in position of power, when someone who only wants absolute control is leader... Many people make the mistake to associate the rapid rise in economy with authoritarianism part but what they foget to analyze is that the reason is actually on the "liberty to trade" part.
@@andersonduggar6764 For thousands of years, humanity has thrived under empires that haven't let freedom thrive. Take the roman empire, or several persian empires for example. There might be rebellions, but oh well. Freedom sometimes is a bad thing, when it is used to harm people. I know you are western and can't understand reason, but sometimes freedom is the enemy of peace. Take the Syrian civil war for example. Iraq too. By the way china has a lot of high speed rail networks, unlike the us which has schools that double as shooting ranges. If you want violence and death in the name of freedom, so be it.
You don't know what democracy is, we never had real democracy, but yeah this is kinda, KINDA truth cause you know... "There's no point for democracy when ignorance is celebrated"
C00LX100 Democracy today is nothing more than electing a dictator to govern above everyone... I hate to admit that but organized anarchy is the real democracy.
@@boomwizardyt7228 Anarchy is not chaos. Anarchy is order without an established oppressive centralised regime. Any centralised regime is by nature oppressive, as they require you to sacrifice some of your freedom and limit your rights in return for safety. Laws are for that. They tell you there are some things you can't do, and how to do other things, so you are safe since most people follow those rules and those who don't get punished. This makes life predictable, and establishes a level of physical, financial and social safety. Your employer can't tell you that they won't pay you, the random dude on the street can't beat you up because he feels like it, because there are laws and they are enforced. But as soon as the regime switches focus onto staying in power rather than keeping the people it governs safe and prosperous, we have a problem.
The first half of the speech is honestly a decent indictment of the uninformed philosophy behind the failure of the Afghan occupation. When the people of Afghani tribes were told that their votes would be counted towards electing a national leader, a common question put forward was "Why would I ever vote for someone outside of my local tribe?". You can't take virtues that have gradually evolved over two centuries and enforce them onto a completely different culture in two decades and expect change to happen overnight
Also it's a reflection of how America was more effective in pursuing policy in the cold war under Kissinger, bane of all Communists and Socialists everywhere as his approach was installing brutal autocracies in places that wanted to treat workers fairly, yet none of the communists ever successfully attacked America
*Horty, Mussolini, Stalin, Salazar, Franco, Metaxas, Pilsudsky, Tsar Boris III of Bulgaria, King Carol II of Romania, King Alexander I of Yugoslavia, Antoanescu, Peten, Pavelić, Mao, Vargas, Peron, Khrushchev, Brezhnev Have Joined The Chat.*
Idk why but in real life, i said this very same thing since ilove AW campaign and i can recite this lines. And i uses the lines towards a protestor against communism, he went being a sack of little fickle to run away such a statement i took with more paraphrasing.
He's not wrong. An ideal democracy needs tolerances and also self control, especially if you're living in multicultural nation. Without the will to listen to opposing parties, different ideologies, and controversional takes, what people called "democracies" are just a huge echo chamber and bubble.
Half right. Three are no functional multi-anything democracies. Canada comes the closest and their magic is about to run out once the whites die out or lose their majority. Plus most of their immigrants are of the educated variety who can pay for their own inbound air tickets, that at the very least weeds out the potential no-stake-in-the-system parasites.
He failed to recognize that people in countries shaped and destroyed by Western imperialism in the last 100 years want to be left alone first and foremost. No one wants our "Western ideals" that are only preached and not acted upon by the West. You cannot force democracy by military intervention, but you cannot suggest that certain people just need a dictator to fulfill their basic needs first in order to see that democracy is a good thing either (if I understood him correctly). Cause look at the state of the West: Basic needs are more than satisfied and yet democracy is retreating in Europe and the US. There is no formula at all.
@@alexanderphilip1809 Do you want to imply that Turkey is a democracy? And countries like Germany or Japan are not countries that have been destroyed by Western imperialism. I'm talking about former colonies, countries that were made on drawing boards so powerful white people can exploit them. The West has no idea how to deal with these countries or did the US just forget after 1990 how to do successful interventions?
Why couldn't we get anything like this in Infinite Warfare with Kit Harington? They only gave him like 5 minutes of screentime for goodness sake, most of it via garbled transmissions. Total waste of talent on Infinity Ward's part.
SinDawg030 you realize that Kit Harrington isn't even that amazing of an actor, personally I reckon Peter Dinklage, Jerome Flynn and Rory Macann are wayyy better actors
Sometimes I think about how the new Star Wars trilogy, which everyone is very invested in the writing of, and where the story was much more important, as a movie and massive cultural phenomenon, never even had one scene where even one villain ever had a semblance of an ideology or justification for why they believed in their cause, and that literally a call of duty campaign, where almost all players ignore the campaign and even less care about the story, has a scene where the villain clearly articulates how they came to their worldview and it’s honestly kind of hilarious
Was the game trying to make him look evil in this scene? If so, fuck you game, that was all pretty true. Now someone get him a 14 year old for his wisdom.
I may not agree with the crimes he's committed, but I agree with his words, once you see the issues in society you will forever be labeled an outcast sadly
Back when the game came came out I had a completely different set of ideals. I would've disagreed with him. As of now I can't help but feel pride from this. He is right. Democracy isn't what people need nor want. They absolutely need rules, boundaries and protections from others around them and them selves. I don't judge if you disagree with me. This is my opinion. And I stand by it. Proudly.
It’s not your stance, it’s that one video game apparently caused an axis change on a major political view. Consider looking into real world applications of both sides instead of gaining “””insight””” from entertainment mediums.
@@equinoxo8813 His speech holds true in this world as well. The States have been trying to make democracies across the globe and it hasn't worked since they tried. Democracy is a joke. People need someone to provide both constraints and supports to chaos at bay. And that's where someone like him come in.
@@legohunter1020 it’s a one sided character being presented in a very particular way by writers trying to portray a very specific character. It is not “deep,” nor should it convince anyone unless they only delve into very surface level geopolitics and Twitter tier discourses.
It's not. Human history is well documented with this kind of rule. Empires, kingdoms, even modern society. What people perceive as total freedom in modern democracies is already an illusion. Laws are the boundaries people must follow and basic protections provided by law enforcement and government forces. Irons is simply taking things a bit further in regions that are not as well off as the US, UK, Germany, Japan, and such. This is a well researched and studied field in political science, showing why US' efforts at spreading democracy around the world has been nothing but failures. Those that did succeeded either went through a dictatorship phase (Taiwan) or has heavy intervention by the US in terms of resources and infrastructure (Japan). There has already been a consensus among scholars that you don't create a successful democracy by overthrowing the previous dictatorship and leave.
When you realize your tha one of tha bad guys in tha plot of an blockbuster action flick.😬😬 honestly I can’t help but agree with it, but when you know how the story in this game ends… he’s tha bad guy. Sometimes it seems like, you have to be the bad guy 🤷🏻♂️
That's... one time? And the guy's point was that you can't simply drop a few bombs, kill a dictator, then leave. It typically results in chaos. Reality is not a fantasy novel, it's not a happy ending because the villain is dead. In fact, that's where the second, hardest part comes in: Giving the countries the resources to make that work.
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"I promise I won't get political!"
*3 drinks later*
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Many people here agree with what Iron is saying because it makes sense, but this is actually a well developed and researched political science topic. I really liked AW because it is clear that the writers of this game actually put in the effort and produced a thoughtful and intelligent plot supported by a well-documented study.
Yeah. That’s the thing with this game, it’s not really bad or really good. It’s just in between
yeah i know right. Example would be US involvement with the countries during the cold war and the war in iraq
I know this is old but imagine if you played his son rather than his son friend. That would have made it memorable
Unfortunately the sad truth is what he says really does make a point
Call of Duty: Vanguard: What if, this time, we do the exact opposite?
When the villain starts making real sense and you agree with him.
That's just called growing up.
Maybe you didn't get the message then.
This kind of racism and unfounded superiority complex is just baked into society, and that is what the game is commenting on.
Its relatively simple commentary to be honest.
@@eileenheath1968Nah bro, you just didnt understand what the game told you.
@@proffesseurevil me still thinking where it talks about racism in game
Afghanistan really proving his point right now.
Hell yeah my friend, Saw all the shit in the news, this is what hit my mind first. All that support wasted, all that death and fucking money just wasted for nothing.
I came here thinking the same thing. Wanted to hear the speech again, I forgot about the end though. About wanting rules over freedom... Reminds me of some other current events...
Topple a nation is easy, building a nation is hard and takes century to do so.
@@StrickerRei-Chn you cannot build a nation on the artifical. our nation is declining because we have forgotten what a nation is.
Absolutely right
This speech has never been more relevant than it is today
Gavin newsom
Kevin Spacey carried this game.
Like he carried Rapp he he he XD
**2 years later**
And Gideon
Easily.
Without Kevin Spacey this campaign would've been dogshit.
Truer words have never been spoken. Democracy requires foundations. Without that social foundation, a democracy is worse than a dictatorship. It is full of social chaos.
Like USA 2020?
@Ricky Des Safry keep in mind, that topple was under Obama. Videos on his speeches for a "more democratic Lybia" have comments sections blocked. At least the ones that I seen. Makes you wonder why democracy are necessary for countries that they don't have the support for it. The day we bring our troops home and stop butting in other countries business would be great.
But that is wishful thinking. The US government will always have those officials who want war. Doesn't matter if they are the obvious Republicans or the sneaky Democrats. They will want war one way or another.
Ironically enough, it reminds of that one quote from General Shepherd from MW2. "What happens there matters what happens here. We don't get to sit one out."
Tell me about it...( I'm from india)
@@marseldagistani1989 Not even remotely. The US is the longest running Representative Democracy on the planet, and despite it's deep, deep flaws, the most successful.
@@pancholopez8829 we need to become isolationist again. ol' USA needs some alone time to sort itself out
Sure his real life antics are bizarre, but you can’t deny he is one hell of an actor and nails every role.
Very true. Especially considering recent events. You cannot expect going in to a non-Western country and installing a Western system by force to work, especially when the people in these countries have lived by morals and principles completely different for thousands of generations.
what about the east?
Or better yet, a dictatorship at least promises they wont create bitter resentful remnants who had loved ones who got disappeared blowing up US buildings or assassinating delegates
Funny that BLOPs 2 addressed that
And the one time it did work, it’s because we nuked them and then kept both boots on them for years afterwards
@@warlordofbritannia And let's not forget Guatemala. There is a reason why installing dictatorships work is because you don't have disgruntled banana farmers fly planes into the world trade center
Building a liberal democracy is like growing a flower in the desert. It works if you do it right.
Afghanistan's failure was mainly due to corruption, had the US authorities done anything about it? Hardly.
UN human rights, freedom, democracy, world peace all play a role. People can internalise those important values and live them out. Because those values are based on reason. And that is what the brave Ukrainians are fighting for, against Putin's tyranny and against Russia's political foreign domination.
You know he's right
He was wrong
@@TheProtagonist2020 How many of these democracy installations were successful?
@@ashtongreen6270 the American Revolution
@@bullet996 American revolution had nothing to do with democracy.
@@TheProtagonist2020 Well, well, well did Afghanistan changed your views now?
Who’s here after the Taliban took over Afghanistan
ME !!!
1:00 - 1:16
“People want rules, boundaries, protections from invaders and from themselves. People need a leader who can both provide the constraints and the support to keep chaos at bay. And you give them that, and they will follow.”
I can’t agree more with Jonathan Irons.
@@arty5876 Whats that has to do with anything?
@@arty5876 Ok so i guess we well begin this conversation with you explaining how the fuck putin fits with any of this
Considering those BLM/ANTIFA riots and the recent mass shootings that were happening, I definitely agree with him
@@minderaserenlightenmentlea7330 Im guessing because Putin is the exact type of leader people here are talking about, with full power over his country, without freedom and with total protection from everything. And yeah he might not be the brightest leader he still is the exact type of leader people here are talking about.
@@randycheow4268 "People who give away thier freedom for the sake of protection do not deserve both of these things"
This speech hits so different now that Afghanistan has fallen 👀
"fallen" It's better off this way.
Bro it was practically a U.S. Colony. This is basically it gaining independence and choosing its own form of leadership, not “falling” lmao
@@drybrucke1 if it was a us colony then it wouldn't have collapsed
you got better things to do than talk about some broken ass country now being run by terrorists.
and DON'T tell me that these terrorist acts AREN'T like ones. you are clearly not taking a good look at the european and islamic types.
@@bobafett_8922 aah yea us saviour of democracy still wanted to attack India lol
This is what I like in a memorable villain. They may be psychotic, violent and hypocritical. But they're the ones who actually have a point.
(Additional: Glad to have so much response to this old comment. Thanks. My comment was more about how I like villains who have valid words, valid points and reasoning, but it does not justify their crimes, actions, and sacrificial solutions.
I wish more stories allow characters and players to consider the valid points and find a good solution to the problem that's different from the villains' or find reasonable compromises.
Advanced Warfare may have been disappointing but the scenes themselves when isolated showed a lot of potential if given the right context.
Thank you everyone. And my apologies for anyone who have been hurt by my mistakes in this comment thread.)
Specy J That's why I usually prefer to follow the villains. They're right, and yet the side you fight for refuse to see it.
@@user-sy9oo5vi9h The moment someone uses "lmao edgelord" in their "critique," is the moment they are not to be taken seriously.
@@Bad_Robot27 Nice pointer.
Like Thanos.
Or they're just a great personality like Loki.
*“War does not determine who is right - only who is left.”* - Bertrand Russell
History is written by the victors
@@shroudthewolf1105 doflamingo
@@shroudthewolf1105
Wrong!
It is written by historians
@@intranext1359
Glad someone is finally giving us the credit we deserve 😂
@@shroudthewolf1105 The confederacy of independent systems
I mean confederate states of America
This is unfortunately pretty relevant today
Just hearing Kevin Spacey voice this reminds me of Hopper from A Bug's Life. That one famous quote:
_"You let one ant stand up to us, then they all might stand. Those ouny little ants has got us 100-1, and if they ever find that out there goes OUR WAY OF LIFE! THAT'S WHY WE'RE GOING BACK!! ....Anyone else wanna stay?"_
Every time I hear the word democracy.
Haha democracy loves to bomb the world!
For real lol.
141 likes, bloody nice.
The only thing he said that isn't true is "that's where I come in"
The rest is true
Well of course, the most dangerous mad man is the one that has a very solid reason for his madness. Up until that point, you can understand and maybe even agree with his logic. After that line, he jumps straight to megalomanic.
A lot of people seem to agree with the villain, but the villain only has half of the picture. He’s arguing for security at the expense of freedom, but the two aren’t mutually exclusive. In reality, many people want both. Power provides both. At the end of the day, people want power, because power provides the freedom and security to achieve one’s goals. I’m not just talking about institutional power. I just mean power as a general concept. The power to accomplish one’s objectives, whether they’re as simple as living to the next day or as megalomaniacal as ruling the entire world under a single ruler.
We’ll only give up freedom for security if we feel we don’t have enough security. We’ll only give up security for freedom if we feel we don’t have enough freedom.
@viktor colbert Oh, you’re one of those quote people. You do know that people can just read the comment I already posted, right?
Anyways, I don’t see why security must require regulation. Sure, my security may come at the expense of someone else’s freedom to wrong me, but my security doesn’t come at the expense of my freedom. See, freedom and security are functionally independent of one another. Freedom without security is risky, while security without freedom is living death. In the interpersonal example I used above, the fact that my security comes at the expense of somebody else’s freedom to wrong me is a matter of comparative power. My freedom may infringe upon somebody else’s freedom, my security may infringe upon somebody else’ security, and freedom may infringe upon security in either direction. But it all comes down to power. If I am more powerful, then I can pick and choose what levels of freedom and security you have. That’s why one appears to come at the expense of another: because having more power means you can infringe upon whatever you choose.
Say what you want about Kevin Spacey-Go ahead, you have ten minutes-but he has great monologues.
Oh don't deny it, you've loved it. You don't actually need me to stand for anything, you just need me to stand. To be the strong man, the man of action. My god you are addicted to action and slogans. It doesn't matter what I say... it doesn't matter what I do... just as long as I am doing something, you’re happy to be along for the ride. And frankly, I don’t blame you. With all the foolishness and indecision in your lives, why not a man like me? I don’t apologize. In the end, I don’t care whether you love me or you hate me, just as long as I win. The deck is stacked. The rules are rigged. Welcome to the death of the Age of Reason. There is no right or wrong. Not anymore. There’s only being in, and then being out.
The only dislikable thing about Kevin Spacey is that he came out as gay in the worst possible way. I don't have to like him in order to agree that he is pretty good at his job as an actor.
@@Hahaha-px5epso you're just saying that humans have already been extinct...just that we don't know it yet?
Kevin Spacey a.k.a. Johnathan Irons for global President.
Blackflare71
He doesn't want to be president. He wants to be king.
+Beerbottles123 He wants to get things done. There should have been an option to side with this guy, maybe some DLC at least, that gives us a glimpse of his way.
The Romans appointed a dictator during times of war or other crises to keep decisions being made quickly. Jonathan Irons certainly loves that aspect.
nha he will be called rascist,xenophobic hitler like white men supremacist...
He is not exactly Hitler or racist. Hitler at least is fighting for Germany and is more racist, but Irons is fighting only for his company. He doesn't support any nations even his home country the U.S. His company even brought stability to the Middle East and rebuilt Iraq as well as other cities in the world. Unlike the UN or the 5 permanent member nations, he gets things done instead of talks and blank promises like most politicians and organizations are today.
The first part I agree completely.
The second derails too much. What do people really want? Maslow described it best.
Start small, start simple: people want food, you don't want to give it away for free. Too much free stuff, no effort, that's a recipe for desaster. Give them a place to stay, some rations for the beggining, a job to start building infracstructure to start and watch them go build a country they feel is truly theirs. Only then can you introduce the concept of democracy as politicians would understand it.
Comitee while people starve or freeze to death? What the hell would they need suits for at that moment?
Using this monologue for an audition thank you Kevin Spacey!
More like Rapist Spacey ;)
Fakhri Dito get fucked.
@@fakhridito5532 well yeah umm no no he's not
Did you get it lol?
@@aidensewell5845 god this comment didn’t age well but yes actually. I was given the part of Captain Beatty in Fahrenheit 451
You know it's honestly scary how right he is, given what's been going on in recent years.
Who knew a video game with a scorned and now disgraced actor would be so… accurate.
Yep,.
Spacey is a degenerate, but an phenomenal actor and showman.
Ironic to think that the villain can sometimes be right, and I am not talking about megalomaniac comic book villains.
marsel dagistani u dumb
marsel dagistani why is sex listed there?
@@cyberrock9018 why ?
I love Kevin Spacey. I always find myself rooting for the villain because of his badass acting ever since Bug's Life xD
He isn’t lying
This game was so much cooler in my mind than in practice, I thought that it was going to be taking down a rogue president of America and not a corporation. (thought was not based off current political climate)
Amphibian Annihilation honestly I think every campaign except for black ops 3 has been awesome, I wish more people would play them.
I love that our current political climate is so fucked that that has to be specified. It sure is a wonderful feeling watching my country die.
@@cousinzeke4888 Hindsight is hilarious looking at this and how much worse it's gotten. I love living in a dying technocratic authoritarian empire.
Back in 2014 everyone thought that Jonathan Irons was crazy; after Afghanistan, everyone agrees with him.
@@themightyboat dosnet count
I knew since I read about Vietnam war
Calling him crazy during any era is crazy!
Yep,.
This is why I am so fond of this series of game.
I used to think he was the bad guy, now I know he's right
i would fight for him with his attitude and leadership
as would i
me too.
KingofKings Right behind you.
KingofKings Not that I comparing him with someone, but Hitler gave outstanding speeches to the people and in the end humanity killed each other in an unimaginable scale...
So we have to be careful with those who say that will bring peace and freedom to everyone in the planet.
Yes, a guy who literally sacrificed 50.000 of his own people just to gain credibility. Sure lets go to war for that guy, i'm totally gonna trust him.....
Holy shit this is hauntingly relevant
Was relevant post Iraq
Always has been
@@josephstalin9604 not from your shitty head it isn't.
That is why the United States is a republic, not a democracy. Democracy means "by the majority" while Republic means "by the law." Even the Founding Fathers themseĺves stated that the U.S. is a republic. The Pledge of Allegiance said that it's a republic.
There are democracies that are not republics but they are still ruled by law.
Considering how literally anybody can vote
Yeah it's a democray.
I miss when it wasn't.
@@CantoniaCustomsYou still didn't disprove his point. Just because anyone over 18 can vote doesn't mean you can vote to reintroduce slavery. There, it isn't a democracy.
Afghanistan Moment
The monarchist argument against democracy summarized. Saving this one in my collection.
This is so true. If you want a democracy, you need to have a dictator first to build a basic foundation. Or at least a government with so many rules. Look at South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, Indonesia
SOuth korea is more an oligopoly than a democracy. Singapore is a full on dictatorship.
Thats nice of you but probably take indonesia out of the list, as an indonesian we probably would succed like them as well but thats not the case for us
@@minzelo14 Yeah the dictator was pretty corrupt and the country was a hellhole at the late 90's
How nice of you to conveniently ignore the Philippines, who ripped down the foundation in order to profit him and his lackeys.
Taiwanese here.I still don't think we Taiwan deserve a democracy,most of our people are easy to manipulate(retard in someway),especially older and more conservative generation
>>Jonathan Irons: Democracy? Democracy. Democracy is not what these people need, hell, it's not even what they want. America has been trying to install democracies in nations for a century and it hasn't worked one time. Now why do you think that is? Because these countries don't have the most basic building blocks to support a democracy. Little things like, "We ought to be tolerant of those that disagree with us." Or, "We ought to be tolerant of those who worship a different god than us!" Or, "A journalist ought to be able to disagree with the fucking president!" And you think you can just march into these countries - based on some fundamentalist, religious principles - drop a few bombs, topple a dictator and start a democracy? Huh. Give me a break. People don't want freedom. They want rules… boundaries… protection… From invaders, and from themselves. People need a leader who can give them both the support and constraints to keep chaos at bay. You give them that, and they'll follow. And that's where I come in.
This should have been a scene in House of Cards!
I wish we could have chosen to side with Irons during the campaign.
Communist
Love how people are figuring out how good of a villain Irons couldve been if he was handled better
This game had potential. He could've been up there with Shepherd and Menendez if they had given us an option to remain with Atlas instead of "muRicA gUd". Imagine the insight we could've gotten into the PMC perspective
@@Quick_footy1 tbf he was going to kill millions of innocents so
Would never have thought a character in a computer game would make the best call on American wars of the 21st century, but here we are.
His one good point here
Senator Armstrong says hi.
We don't live in a democracy anyway, we live in a constitutional republic lol.
We understand that the US educational system is garbage. No need to show off.
Potato, potato. It pretty much is a democracy when most adults get to vote.
The 19th was a mistake.
It's pretty bad when the tyrannocal evil bad guy there wants to manipulate the world to his bidding literally has not told a single lie throughout the game and has quite frankly been more honest than what some real people say and do at the end of the day we are all selfish selfish self-centered eager to suggest ourselves righteous people doesn't mean we're bad doesn't mean we're evil doesn't mean we're bad doesn't mean we're bad doesn't mean we're bad doesn't mean we're bad doesn't even matter in the basic human form is survival and the human body does like any animal will do what it takes to survive
And this kids is how you make a convincing Authoritarian villain. Never underestimate people's fundamental need for security and how it can undermine their better judgement.
Villain? With the speech he delivered he's a hero
@@awddfg i think that is the point, he is a hero to his people but not outsiders
@@Y10HK29 Nothing wrong with it, depends on who the outsider is though, for example america, no one really needs to listen to them
@@awddfg in my opinion, it really depends.
Everything that he said was right except about freedom...
As long as humanity exists liberty will never perish, that's something that costed millions of lives and years for us to accomplish it and believe me, many will fight for it.
Of course, you can counter argument me saying that "but it doesn't put food in my mouth or give me security" and my answer is "so as authoritarian governments and ideologies".
We have so many examples of it reality. damn, just look at China right now.
That's what happens when a Brute is put in position of power, when someone who only wants absolute control is leader...
Many people make the mistake to associate the rapid rise in economy with authoritarianism part but what they foget to analyze is that the reason is actually on the "liberty to trade" part.
@@andersonduggar6764 For thousands of years, humanity has thrived under empires that haven't let freedom thrive. Take the roman empire, or several persian empires for example. There might be rebellions, but oh well. Freedom sometimes is a bad thing, when it is used to harm people. I know you are western and can't understand reason, but sometimes freedom is the enemy of peace. Take the Syrian civil war for example. Iraq too. By the way china has a lot of high speed rail networks, unlike the us which has schools that double as shooting ranges. If you want violence and death in the name of freedom, so be it.
the curious thing in this speech is that he is right in every single point.
When I was a kid I thought the graphics were so realistic I thought it wasn’t animated but now it looks very clearly that it is
Yeah. It's amazing how much technology advances in just a few years.
Same
There ought to be a "Quotations from Atlas CEO Jonathan Irons" 📕
Kevin Spacey 4 president
Joeyal123 Hell yeah
Garret1912 "President Frank Underwood"
Erm no
If Trump and Bill could do it, why not?
Garret1912 rip this comment and rip spacey’s acting career
You don't know what democracy is, we never had real democracy, but yeah this is kinda, KINDA truth cause you know... "There's no point for democracy when ignorance is celebrated"
C00LX100 Democracy today is nothing more than electing a dictator to govern above everyone... I hate to admit that but organized anarchy is the real democracy.
were about to soon
@@victuz what exactly do you mean organized anarchy
@@victuz there is no such thing as a organized anarchy that means its not anarchy anymore.
@@boomwizardyt7228 Anarchy is not chaos. Anarchy is order without an established oppressive centralised regime. Any centralised regime is by nature oppressive, as they require you to sacrifice some of your freedom and limit your rights in return for safety. Laws are for that. They tell you there are some things you can't do, and how to do other things, so you are safe since most people follow those rules and those who don't get punished. This makes life predictable, and establishes a level of physical, financial and social safety. Your employer can't tell you that they won't pay you, the random dude on the street can't beat you up because he feels like it, because there are laws and they are enforced.
But as soon as the regime switches focus onto staying in power rather than keeping the people it governs safe and prosperous, we have a problem.
We should fighting for him, not for bullshit goverment nowaday
i agree
Communist
"Democracy: The God That Failed" is a great book to read.
This hits different right now
He was the one Call of Duty villain I wish we could've sided with
ATLAS number one. 😎
POV me when an American talks shit about my country
Your country??
The first half of the speech is honestly a decent indictment of the uninformed philosophy behind the failure of the Afghan occupation. When the people of Afghani tribes were told that their votes would be counted towards electing a national leader, a common question put forward was "Why would I ever vote for someone outside of my local tribe?". You can't take virtues that have gradually evolved over two centuries and enforce them onto a completely different culture in two decades and expect change to happen overnight
Also it's a reflection of how America was more effective in pursuing policy in the cold war under Kissinger, bane of all Communists and Socialists everywhere as his approach was installing brutal autocracies in places that wanted to treat workers fairly, yet none of the communists ever successfully attacked America
When a video game villains speaks the truth about today
He sounds like modern day progressives talking about how really happy people don't need freedom
*President Xi Jinping, President Bashar al-Assad and President Nicolas Maduro clapping at a side*
Zennoix riel3620 all lovely leaders! ❤️
Alongside the ghosts of Saddam and Gaddafi
Tito and Milosević just smiling
*Horty, Mussolini, Stalin, Salazar, Franco, Metaxas, Pilsudsky, Tsar Boris III of Bulgaria, King Carol II of Romania, King Alexander I of Yugoslavia, Antoanescu, Peten, Pavelić, Mao, Vargas, Peron, Khrushchev, Brezhnev Have Joined The Chat.*
@@nenadrajic9740 Tuđman, Izetbegović: Are We A JOKE to You?!?
This should have been Anakins monologue to Padme for joining Sidious
Galactic Republic ( BOTH Old & New !!! ) in Galaxy FFA ( *_*Star Wars*_* universe )
Darth Sidious: *_“I Love Democracy !!!”_*
The best villains are memorable because they point out weakness in our own philosophies, shaking everything down to the foundation of our morality.
Kevin Spacey, Templar Grandmaster
Idk why but in real life, i said this very same thing since ilove AW campaign and i can recite this lines. And i uses the lines towards a protestor against communism, he went being a sack of little fickle to run away such a statement i took with more paraphrasing.
I’d follow a leader like this till the end.
Communist
@@revolutionariesoffreedom2374 Fascist.
@@klondor7432 fascist communist dictator
@@klondor7432 you Nazi tyrant dictator
He's not wrong. An ideal democracy needs tolerances and also self control, especially if you're living in multicultural nation.
Without the will to listen to opposing parties, different ideologies, and controversional takes, what people called "democracies" are just a huge echo chamber and bubble.
Half right. Three are no functional multi-anything democracies. Canada comes the closest and their magic is about to run out once the whites die out or lose their majority. Plus most of their immigrants are of the educated variety who can pay for their own inbound air tickets, that at the very least weeds out the potential no-stake-in-the-system parasites.
Great actor and man.He made this game the best.
Francis Underwood !!!
The sad part is...he has a point
He's actually correct this is actually what we want he is right in every aspect I think that he is correct
Your insane
Or someone’s holding a gun to your head
I like him because it makes sense. everything he does makes sense (except the prision camps, i dont like those). everything he does is relatable.
I guess it made sense. He had to test his poison or not
How many democratic snowflakes were triggered by this cutscene?
"No man is free. Only children and fools think otherwise."
Tywin Lannister.
He failed to recognize that people in countries shaped and destroyed by Western imperialism in the last 100 years want to be left alone first and foremost. No one wants our "Western ideals" that are only preached and not acted upon by the West. You cannot force democracy by military intervention, but you cannot suggest that certain people just need a dictator to fulfill their basic needs first in order to see that democracy is a good thing either (if I understood him correctly). Cause look at the state of the West: Basic needs are more than satisfied and yet democracy is retreating in Europe and the US. There is no formula at all.
Successful military govt's -> Taiwan, South Korea, Turkey.
Successful military intervention by the US -> S.Korea, W.Germany and Japan.
@@alexanderphilip1809 Do you want to imply that Turkey is a democracy?
And countries like Germany or Japan are not countries that have been destroyed by Western imperialism. I'm talking about former colonies, countries that were made on drawing boards so powerful white people can exploit them. The West has no idea how to deal with these countries or did the US just forget after 1990 how to do successful interventions?
Man was playing Frank Underwood long before House of Cards even came into existence.
It's sad that apparently this game wasn't that good, bc I love it when the guy you should hate seems to be right
Why couldn't we get anything like this in Infinite Warfare with Kit Harington? They only gave him like 5 minutes of screentime for goodness sake, most of it via garbled transmissions. Total waste of talent on Infinity Ward's part.
SinDawg030 you realize that Kit Harrington isn't even that amazing of an actor, personally I reckon Peter Dinklage, Jerome Flynn and Rory Macann are wayyy better actors
Cause Harrington is a useless piece of shit, how you dare comparing him with FRANK UNDERWOOD?!?!?!?!
anyone here after the fall of Afghanistan?
Sometimes I think about how the new Star Wars trilogy, which everyone is very invested in the writing of, and where the story was much more important, as a movie and massive cultural phenomenon, never even had one scene where even one villain ever had a semblance of an ideology or justification for why they believed in their cause, and that literally a call of duty campaign, where almost all players ignore the campaign and even less care about the story, has a scene where the villain clearly articulates how they came to their worldview and it’s honestly kind of hilarious
Some societies value order and security over personal liberty, it's just that simple
Was the game trying to make him look evil in this scene?
If so, fuck you game, that was all pretty true.
Now someone get him a 14 year old for his wisdom.
I may not agree with the crimes he's committed, but I agree with his words, once you see the issues in society you will forever be labeled an outcast sadly
...cut your taxes, brutalize criminals, and rule you like a king - Sideshow Bob :)
Holy fuck
Frank Underwood 2016!
So much in his speech has truth in it.
That's not even a take. That's the truth.
This is different and more complete than the version in the reveal trailer. Where is this from? I know it's not a cutscene in the game itself.
"sir we just wanted to know which brand of girl scouts cookies has your vote for our next fun run?"
he was right
Fun fact: this was the transcript from Mark Zuckerberg's board meeting when developing Facebook's Community Guidelines.
Maturing is realizing Irons was right
this is a certified politics moment
Writers speaking through Kevin Spacey lmfao
“Democracy is non negotiable.” - TheGrouse
Back when the game came came out I had a completely different set of ideals.
I would've disagreed with him.
As of now I can't help but feel pride from this. He is right. Democracy isn't what people need nor want.
They absolutely need rules, boundaries and protections from others around them and them selves.
I don't judge if you disagree with me. This is my opinion. And I stand by it.
Proudly.
The part about having rules and boundaries is really vague if not a democracy than what exactly is it
@@kramarancko1107 A dictatorship with an actual good leader.
It’s not your stance, it’s that one video game apparently caused an axis change on a major political view. Consider looking into real world applications of both sides instead of gaining “””insight””” from entertainment mediums.
@@equinoxo8813 His speech holds true in this world as well. The States have been trying to make democracies across the globe and it hasn't worked since they tried.
Democracy is a joke.
People need someone to provide both constraints and supports to chaos at bay. And that's where someone like him come in.
@@legohunter1020 it’s a one sided character being presented in a very particular way by writers trying to portray a very specific character. It is not “deep,” nor should it convince anyone unless they only delve into very surface level geopolitics and Twitter tier discourses.
so whats wrong with following that kind of a leader?
It's not. Human history is well documented with this kind of rule. Empires, kingdoms, even modern society. What people perceive as total freedom in modern democracies is already an illusion. Laws are the boundaries people must follow and basic protections provided by law enforcement and government forces. Irons is simply taking things a bit further in regions that are not as well off as the US, UK, Germany, Japan, and such. This is a well researched and studied field in political science, showing why US' efforts at spreading democracy around the world has been nothing but failures. Those that did succeeded either went through a dictatorship phase (Taiwan) or has heavy intervention by the US in terms of resources and infrastructure (Japan). There has already been a consensus among scholars that you don't create a successful democracy by overthrowing the previous dictatorship and leave.
@@raptornomad1221 so what is the solution?
@@abhinavchauhan7864 kevin spacey I guess lol
@@alcodelcololex5327 🤣
@@raptornomad1221 Why did it work so great for Germany?
When you realize your tha one of tha bad guys in tha plot of an blockbuster action flick.😬😬 honestly I can’t help but agree with it, but when you know how the story in this game ends… he’s tha bad guy. Sometimes it seems like, you have to be the bad guy 🤷🏻♂️
“Hasn’t worked one time.”
CoughJapanCough
That's... one time? And the guy's point was that you can't simply drop a few bombs, kill a dictator, then leave. It typically results in chaos. Reality is not a fantasy novel, it's not a happy ending because the villain is dead. In fact, that's where the second, hardest part comes in: Giving the countries the resources to make that work.
Japan is actually a constitutional monarchy, not a democracy
Japan is a monarchy, not a democracy
@@haiyaa3127 They’re a constitutional monarchy. The emperor has little if any executive power. His power is spiritual.
Maturing is when you realize that he was right