I Push The 2021 Subaru Crosstrek To Its Limits Off-Road, And Honestly It REALLY Struggles....
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- Опубліковано 15 лип 2024
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The answer is obvious, "DEPLOY THE MONKEY"!
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If you read the owners manual, page 7-35 Vehicle Dynamic Control, it will tell you to switch off the VDC when climbing steep gravelly road, because the VDC is designed for use on the pavement to regain vehicle control in slippery situations. That's why you are experiencing the power cut off situation. That is not due to CVT it's due to the VDC that can be switched off. The X mode will help in two situations, steep downhill and to help improve torque in steep uphill situations, like yours. Therefore, according to the owners manual you should have switched off the VDC and switch on X mode. It seems you have done the latter but not the former which is why the car struggled. That is also probably why Subaru don't lend you cars to test because you don't understand the basics of how they work and then you publicize it in a video and mislead people.
The VDC cuts off power and activates the brakes fir slippery conditions on pavement
TFL doesn't read.
Amen
You're right. Especially they bought it. Read manuals...
I was about to say. Turn off traction control and it will definitely let u burn up the CVT.
Whenever Blaze jumps, he's looking for your attention. To discourage it, simply turn your back immediately and stay that way. Your body language will tell him that this is not what you want. You will also want to find the way you allow him to ask for attention, and then consistently reward that. Consistency is so important :-) He sure is a handsome and cute dog!
Thanks
You can also try just crouching down to greet Blaze BEFORE there is a chance to jump.
And don't raise your hands and arms.
This is good advice. Worked for my jumping dog. He only does it when it's invited now when it was previously a constant issue.
My sis is a trainer, I’ve been waiting fir someone to help them with Blazes behavior. He seems to be extremely trainable. I don’t think it will be hard for them to get him trained
I took my new crosstrek out today!!! At one point I hit a ditch (it was really sunny and I thought it was a tree shadow). It felt like I hit a wall. The car rolled right out of it and is undamaged! Still haven’t gotten to long term care issues yet but I am more than satisfied with my purchase. It rolled through deep mud, water, steep inclines on loose gravel and mud. Truly lovely 🥰
10:30 on the old vs new test… that has to be a joke, right? You take the new Subaru going up at 3mph with a CVT, then to prove a point you absolutely just sent that little bag of bolts up the incline? A Camry would have gotten up that with that driving. 🙄
You need momentum at the start. About 80mph should do it.
Or about 88mph so he can go into the past where the hill won't be there.
lmao how will he get 80mph
@@soulz2422 build a big ramp, like hotwheels. Wear a helmet and mouth guard.
LMAO! My poor little Crosstrek would have its engine punched through the hood by one of those rocks.
@@USAFJUNKIE That’s some strategy right there.
As for the jumping up, when we first got our dog we always would bump our knee out and then say no and ignore the dog for 10-15 seconds. The knee makes it harder to jump up and ignoring them when they do it teaches them to not jump because the best reward is your love and attention
☝What he said
I would simple push the dog down (gently but firmly)and say no. Eventually they get what it means. As long as NO has been established with other behavior corrections, they will associate NO to everything you do not want them to do.
I redirect my boy with a no snap of fingers. As soon as he is not jumping ask him to sit with praise for sitting.
Yup, as they start to jump, raise your knee up across your body. They don't like it and it stops.
Try turning away when a dog jumps up and ignore for 10 to 15 like someone else said. They do this for attention and if it results in not getting attention, they learn.
I think it's in the expectations! I own a Outback XT, it's great in the snow and light trails but that is all I expect it to do. I use it 99% on the road and highways and it's better than a jeep or 4runner for that. If I have to drive my car more than 25% off-road I would get a jeep or a 4runner and expect to sacrifice mpg and lack of on road athleticism.
100% Agree @ Mojoman69
Did you turn off the traction control when engaging the Xmode?
It said on the user manual , in the case when momentum is needed, you need to turn off the traction control and floor the gas paddle then the car will do its job.
That's X-Mode 2 in newer models.
You can just disengage VDC.
@@ryzenforce This is the newest model, no 2022s yet for crosstrek.
They seem to enjoy hating on Subaru, so no, they wouldn't do that ;)
@@bigglyguy8429 he's also doing it with the ac on 🤔
Call it “Bad Blood” due to the History between Subaru and you guys!
I love that!
True and if they add bigger tires and off road BOOM the CVT will go and then its gonna be worse.
@@brayannexon4613 no need to go bigger, a more aggressive grip will be much better...
@@fj400007 what I'm implying is that the cvt will not like that.
@@brayannexon4613 I never liked those CVT transmissions. They definitely don't have the robustness to handle real offroad situations or towing demands. It's a big no on my part.
I love my Subaru but let's face it, all of the nanny controls to protect the CVT get in the way. Hey Subaru, how about a nice 8 speed tranny instead?
Three limiting factors for Subaru CrossTrek on Truth or Dare.
Two you can't do anything about (CVT and lack of low end torque) and one you can (good set of A/T tires)...
Agreed!!
An 8-speed would be so nice!!
Cvt is the reason Subaru didn’t get a dime from us last week when we bought a new car.
@@parkeringersoll973 Same... i've been waiting years to buy a Forester, but I'm waiting for them to get rid of the CVT.
Great video! New A/T tires (Continental TerrainContact) helped my Crosstrek a ton in mild off-roading. I would recommend those, the Yokohama Geolandar A/T G015 or especially the Falken Wildpeak A/T as these are all meant for crossovers.
I can't believe I just bought a car that can do something like this! I bought my Crosstrek as a beefed up replacement for my Toyota Matrix and never really expected it to be a Sherman tank.
Off-reading to means heavy washboard or potholes, maybe logging roads, or some double track roads.
I am thrilled with my decision!
Me too, I'm so excited! I love driving in the mountains and up jeep trails. If my old Ford Focus could make it up those, this Subaru certainly can! They're very popular.
“Subie-doo”. I would’ve got up that hill if it weren’t for that meddling CVT
FB20 also garbage lol
@@djsd-1292 its not really that garbage, its a pretty good engine with the right mods to
It
@@Advtr.ram69 just jerkin lol I drive an fb20 Impreza
@@djsd-1292 i figured lol but so many people say they suck, but when they drive one in manual its like “god help me i got a racecar”
@@Advtr.ram69 eh, I think it’s still kinda underpowered and I’ve felt both. Im sure the MT makes it feel a little quicker. Great car to drive though, feels great in the turns and in the rain. It’s quick enough for what it is I guess.
They’re good cars for snowy pavement.
Great...especially useful for people living in Florida, Georgia, Texas, NM, Arizona, Louisiana, etc...
Definitely. Had one for 2 years and handled Flagstaff and Bellemont snowy rodes with ease.
Exactly! AWD is NOT 4WD and TFL seem to not understand the difference :)
@@AbuPaul Subaru's marketing would suggest it's fairly offraod worthy
@@AbuPaul Actually, TFL understands this very well. It’s the vast majority of Subaru owners who don’t get it.
I have a 2014 Outback and I get best results from the CVT by putting it in manual mode and setting to "first" gear for slow climbs. This seems to stop the trans from adjusting it's pulleys and applies more torque without slippage.
I just put a deposit on a Crosstrek for mostly road driving and lighter stuff than this for hiking in the summer. This is a good tip
Thanks for another informative video. Can't wait to see the upgrades.
Doesn’t matter what you guys do, the CVT will always be the Achilles heel
I think so too, but am glad they are the ones doing the testing so we don't have to!
Yep. And personally I really like CVTs otherwise (I know, I know). Everything from the first-gen Patriot to today's Subarus cannot handle steep hills, high altitude and/or rocks in the road.
there's also a CVT on the Outback Wilderness lmao
Clearly they're prioritizing smoothness and efficiency and are just relying on the traction control software to compensate.
@@Nevy21 I believe they put in some sort of a "low range" gizmo on there (I can't imagine how that works on a cvt) but I'm still skeptical how much that helps the final gear ratio.
As a car guy I have never, ever thought Subaru as an off-road, rock crawling type machine. Subarus are good for gravel roads with the occasional mud puddles, snow, and muddy paths. That's about all I expect from them. To expect them to do anything remotely like these trails is setting the bar way too high.
Counterpoint, Subaru should be held to this standard, in each case this vehicle got "stuck" it was because of a spinning tire or insufficient torque.
The CVT they use is connected to the engine via a torque converter, so there is an inordinate amount of torque available (assuming the engine isn't power-limited to prevent damage to the CVT, but if that's the case, build a better CVT), if you don't believe me, find an early automatic, fully apply the brakes and floor it. If you don't wreck the drivetrain in the process, the car will move, so there is no excuse for this machine to be unable to spin the tires. When the tires do spin, it's because the torque produced isn't being distributed properly. That torque is sent to the wheels through a nearly-open AWD system, so at any time, the vast majority of the torque is delivered to the "easiest" wheel. Subaru counters this by applying brakes to that wheel, "discouraging" torque from being sent there. In a situation where 3 wheels are on the ground, the 4th (airborne) wheel should be locked by brakes, and only unlocked when the traction control system detects _forward_ pressure on the wheel, IE, other wheels are driving it.
Thank you I agree.its a car with enhanced traction.not an off-road vehicle.
@@CuthbertNibbles Man, what do you get for 25 K??? Jeeps and Broncos START at 35K+.. this is outstanding value for money
"To expect them to do anything remotely like these trails is setting the bar way too high." But it DID do them? No rescue strap, no tow out, no winch equipped jeep required. Subaru gets you home.
Not sure you know what you're talking about
Lady Bug seems like a good name. Thanks for the videos, I'll bet Subaru still loves you.
Buy the 2.5l if you wanna do this no one with the intention of climbing that slope would ever buy the 2.0, stop setting up Subaru for failure. Your next video title will be. "Let's see if the Subaru crosstrek can climb the Empire State building with stock tires!... It really struggled on this one!"
Name for your Crosstrek: "Radio Flyer" because it's small, red and limitedly useful.
I do like this one most
Maybe REDio flyer?
You're delusional nobody in their right mind would take a 2.0 cvt with all season tires off-roading
@@irontarkus7965 I'd consider it.
@@irontarkus7965 Only a Pea Head 🤣👍
Test between this model and the 6 SPD should be a good comparison.
I agree. There's much complaining about the CVT and I'd love to see how the manual changes the drivability in off road situations.
Having driven and enjoyed the manual, you realize the cvt helps the crosstrek a lot and the engine is working much harder than the accelerator pedal suggests
@@musicalgreasemonkey Interesting!
I have a 6MT and I think it’s pretty terrible. The CVT is definitely the best transmission for that car. The only benefit of the 6MT is that 1st gear is lower, but I find that the can feels like it’s going to die on steep climbs
@@mattmc7933 agreed entirely. My 2018 forester has the 6mt with the 2.5L and it's really just enough power in 1st gear steep hills. I wish you could still buy the 6mt with the 2.5. The gear spacing is a little odd, but you learn it and the mpg real world is much better than the cvt. I have driven both
I’m not sure why you go so slow. I have a 2018 cross trek and take it on way worse roads in the mountains of Montana and don’t have any problems.
That's what I'm saying in the old/new comparison that old sub they have it hauling ass while the trek is barely moving...this 'test' smells like shitting on Sub all over
Super slow speed, not airing down tires, stock road tires, traction control on. They made sure to give it all the disadvantages it could possibly have, and it still made it up the hill.
They took it stock to compare before and after they modify it. Also Subaru has built its brand on AWD back road driving but the CVT has clearly caused them to stray away from that. TFL is just exposing that so people know. They should take a early to mid 2000 forester. I bet people would be surprised how much better a true automatic would be.
Also the motor is still in its break-in period and limiting power, and the AWD system is still learning for real world conditions
They don't have skids yet, which would make me more careful and slow.
That's going to be a great video hopefully u show every upgrade in detail
My wife has a 2014 XV and I drive a 1982 Subaru Brat with a real 4WD system and a low range and even with my stock 13" tires my Brat is much better off road than her Subaru XV.
Old Brats were the shit! Good times.
well of course “a real 4wd system” will be better
Love the t-shirt! Some motivation required!
I AM stoked to see what mods you choose to make, I just hope you connect with some subaru offroaders in the process. Instagram and facebook are full of groups here in CO that would be down to bring you along on a trail ride. You can learn how they pick lines, select trails, and discover what that little crosstrek is capable of before defaulting to everything it CAN'T do. Sometimes it seems like your experience with Subaru press cars really jaded you to the whole brand and you are determined to show them in a condescending/negative light by setting them up to fail.
On to mods...
IME, puck lifts do not generally allow you to run more tire. Usually if you increase tire diameter, the wheel will strike the forward side of the rear mud guard first. Width? Its the strut perch. Puck lifts are great if you are scraping your undercarriage (or hopefully your skidplate) and want some better chassis clearance. Wheel offset has a lot more effect on whether a tire will "fit" a subaru. Maybe with some wheel offsets the tire won't "tuck" into the wheel well without a puck lift, but those are very specific circumstances.
I have added Falken Wildpeak A/T Trail tires to my 2020 Crosstrek limited. It made a big difference for our winter driving. Especially in deep snow that I had to deal with last year in Evanston IL. I highly recommend that upgrade for that Subaru for testing purposes. I only lost 2mpg with that upgrade. No noise difference with the limited model(might have more soundproofing than the base model)
That’s why most of people in Evanston own the Subarus;)
This is the perfect reason to advertise for the Bronco Sport with the 29.5 inch tires and "locking diff" and clutch packs!
And the crumbling down after two years due to poor build quality!
Welp…looks like no Subaru press cars anytime soon. 😂
Definitely not missing anything.
That’s why they need to buy one. 😂
@Stop Deleting Me I feel the same way when they take a 4 runner off-road. Lol.
@Stop Deleting Me I don’t really think so 10:00
All they do is bash Subarus, so of course they are going to not get any press cars.
They took a Forester XT with performance tires offroad in the snow and then complained about it.
Tyre pressure is vitally important in off road. Drop your pressures by about 8 to 10 psiand you'll findvit would not break traction. Ive got a 2015 Crosstrek CVT no xmode and I have climbed Big Red a 30m high dune in the Simpson Desert Australia. Tyres pressures were 18psi.
Be interesting to see the traction difference between CVT and 6 speed.
See DRIVING SPORTS TV Crosstrek vs RAV4
"Dog is my co-pilot." Clever!
Desperately need you guys to do a review on an Outback Wilderness
Excellent! Another off-road test WITHOUT off-road tires, which proves nothing
You should have bought a 2021 2.5l sport model. I got mine for only 27k, and its got a larger engine than the one you guys got, and it also has a new x mode 2
Yeah the CVT sucks for heavy off-roading, but most people with subarus know the limits and simply dont go that hardcore. Plus, on the flip side - since subarus use a cvt, it is the MOST economical AWD gas powered car
I've seen some of these all decked out like it was going wheeling on the trails.
Imagine lifting this car and adding off road tires just to deal with a cvt that can’t handle a small dirt incline.
Yeah I know right? I was considering buying a Subaru and modding it as such. After doing some research, watching off-road reviews and working out the cost of the mods I came to the conclusion I'm better off buying a basic 4x4 instead.
@@Honeybadger_525 you could go back maybe 2 or 4 years and get one that was still equipped with an auto, maybe even a manual
@@SamuelRodriguez-mo4ru Yes you could buy an older model before CVT's were introduced, however, it would still lack a low range, which most 4x4's already has.
@@SamuelRodriguez-mo4ru no. Stop trying to convince people to get a freaking suabru. Anyone is much better off with any sort of stock 4x4. Anything is better than that
@Stop Deleting Me It's basically a slip test of the AWD system. They do the same with all other vehicles here. Except Tommy's old Subaru drive with more momentem.
Great video great job Roland, and Blaze is a beautiful dog.
Love your dog in the videos! Our Vizsla puppy that I work with has the same jumping challenges....... Along with the other comments and suggestion, keep working with the sit/stay commands and use treats as positive reinforcement.... super common challenge with friendly pups....keep up the good work!
I've got the geolander A/Ts on my outback and love them. Turn traction control off or it super sucks when trying to drive off road Can't wait to see what all you do with it.
Would love to see a TFL video comparing all Subaru AWD variations with X-Mode or not and with regular automatic, manual and CVT. Even cooler with a real world off road comparison, using the same tires.
I have an 2014 Crosstrek that has been off-roaded a lot on not too extreme trails. The biggest problem I had was scraping the front overhang on all kinds of rocks and ditches.
Lol this is literally me and my pup in our crosstrek every day. Love it ❤️
Love this series. As an admitted Subaru off road enthusiast (MTNROO) I'm interested to see your take on the new global platform. Please don't put BFG KO2s on. It's simply too heavy for the 2.0 go with a Falken or Yokohama all terrian. Love what you guys do and the honest reviews.
What a waste of money
@@ItzzTesta It's all about where you see value. If you value top tier off road prowess then agreed a waste. However if you want industry leading safety, good fuel economy, and moderate off road capability for hiking trail access, camping, etc. It is an incredible value. Just all depends on what you really need from your vehicle.
@@gregoryoppenheimer99 and bottom of the industry reliability! Sounds like a great car not a waste of money!😂
Thought I'd see some mtnroo brotherhood representation here! Hello from OMGFOZ 👋
@@ItzzTesta Subarus aren't reliable? 🤣🤣
As for a name, I like Clifford, named in honor of the big red dog from the children's storybooks. Clifford the Crosstrek has a nice ring to it.
I’ve got the 24’ premium, and I’ve taken it up to my paraglider launch sites, one of which in Tollhouse has some pretty steep sections and had absolutely no problems. It’s also dirt and gravel and has some deep ruts, and some articulation, but for a stock crosstrek i was pleasantly surprised.
I have 2015 XV Base MT w/ Rallitek.25 springs heavy duties on the rear 1 inch spacer lift , B6 Bilstien struts Falken Wildpeak ATs and Bridgestone WS90 for the winter, I’ve had it 5 1/2 yrs 162k mls runs great great little car in any weather and a little bit of off roading nothing crazy.
It’ll be really interesting to see how much of the struggle was mechanics vs. grip once ya’ll upgrade the tire situation!
Also, my family is all about old lady names and rhyming when it comes to dubbing cars- so my suggestion is Ruby the Subi. 😜
Many many years ago I named my mums Subaru forester Ruby.
My subi is called Kar because it’s a khaki car
I wonder how fast Tommy was driving the old Subie vs. the crawling in the Outback and Crosstrek. I swear to god they are purposely making these cars looks bad. They seem to drive them so much slower than their other 4x4s.
Also just purchased a 2021 Crosstrek Sport .. I immediately did a 2" lift kit .. Toyo ATIII's in 225/65 17" .. now have 12" at the rear pumpkin. Also put on an aluminum skid plate. I just got back last night from 3 days up in Moab testing out my mods! I did the BLM 378 rd which is the back door into Arches .. Gemini Bridges rd .. Shaffer trail and the Mineral points roads. On the BLM 378 rd my son got his 1st opportunity to be a spotter! He had to guide me over two ledges .. never touched anything. Also got 31 mpg up and back from Tucson. I got a whole 2400 miles on it since I left the dealership .. 1200 of that was coming and going to Moab.
^ LOLOLOL ...
You are 100% correct. Automatic transmissions are far superior for off road. Maybe the upcoming 7speed in the Bronco will change the pecking order. It's just hard to beat an 8 or 10 speed automatic transmission plus all the modes you have these days.
The smaller 2.0 engine may be fine now. If you add taller off road tires you add traction. With the CVT and no low gear. You will bog down the engine quicker. Not many do gears any longer when they do the tire change. I would not go very tall with the tire choice.
Great video.
Name it ketchup! Also would like to see more of that classic Subaru
Roman could you please! get a Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross with CVT SAWD to compare it with the Subaru
I got the same color and trim, named mine Diablo but my buddy recommended pico or charizard, love the video!
Awesome vid, as always. Where is this Tombstone Hill, anyway?
Another name: "The Little Engine that can Almost Do It"
The Mildly Hot Chili Pepper.
It’s mostly “the little CVT transmission and all it’s torque reducing electronic aids to prevent you from burning up the CVT that can almost do it” lol I wish they’d test a manual and stop testing their CVTs, or I wish Subaru would at least let you put some power down in their CVT and only start cutting torque when it reaches a certain temperature. They’re good on the road, but even my old winter beater 2000 outback could easily go where a new CVT Subaru would get stuck, and that’s without engaging the all time 4 wheel drive mod that I’ve done on that 4eat trans. I’ve had it places other legit 4x4 trucks and SUVs couldn’t go. Heck even pulled big Jeep’s and lifted trucks out of the ditch during snow storms and only have snow tires on it and completely boggle the minds of the owners of the trucks/Jeep’s.
Mike, "almost" do it? In the video that I saw, the Crosstrek did do it.
My 120HP 2.5L/5spd Jeep YJ could chirp 31" MTs going into 2nd or 3rd on dry pavement.
They need to turn off the TCS, IMO. A rear locker would make things more interesting too. It still wouldn't be a Rubicon, but a winch, armor, and tires could make it capable for overlanding and moderate trails.
How about putting some falkan trail AT tires on it.
It’s an Impreza a car.
I was considering those for my CUV too, but decided to go with the Toyo Open Country AT3. The tread is slightly more aggressive without being too harsh on-road. The offroad traction is fantastic.
I also put a set of Toyo AT3’s on my Outback. Very good traction, look great too.
I have a set of AT Trails on my outback. Definitely a "softroading" tire, but they have great traction and work well in the snow in CO. Tread is impressive, but the sidewall always has me concerned if I'm on sharp rocks compared to friends with the AT3 or K02s. That said, I've probably saved $200 on gas compared to those options this year, so I'll take it!
falkan makes shit tires, buy any other brand.
“Ugly” is a good name for it.
I have a stock 2021 Crosstrek Outdoor CVT with the 2.5L engine and have never had any issues off road, have made it up to many mountain tops, including in the snow. Sure it’s not AS capable as an MT but I’ve been very impressed with the capabilities of the CVT. I’m surprised it did so poorly in this video, i’ve been up trails like these no problem.
I like the idea of Subarus , but the CVT is it's real weakness and it's a HUGE weakness. I'm glad to see Nissan moving away from them and I hope Subaru does the same. CVTs just don't work offroad
Nissan only got rid of it in ONE model. I wouldn’t call it “moving away”...
Bring the car with AWD but no CVT to compare with Subaru. We will see CVT good or not.
Yes because Nissans Jatco cvt is rubbish, a product of poor R and D.
@@AhBAhboy Bring ANY other 150 hp AWD cars with no CVT and you will be surprised that NONE of them will even make it past the first 30% of the slope.
@@ryzenforce I agree 👍
Name it Scotty. Like Scotty from Star Trek. “We need more power!”
You guys should have purchased it with the manual. The 2 liter is still available with the manual. Companies to consider for the lift - FlatOut Suspension, Anderson Design & Fabrication( ADF), Subtle Solutions, Primitive Racing. I used Primitive Racing on my Forester - 1 inch pucks on Cusco adjustable struts w/1 inch King Springs coils, and corresponding rear cradle alignment blocks. I recommend getting skid plates too. Sad for Subaru that a 40y/o model can run circles around one right off the showroom floor. I submit - Ned A. Manual as the name for your Xtrek. Loved this video, Good luck 👍🏾
lol, love it how he talks about not going after the 2.5 Liter version saying power isnt a factor, and then 2 minutes later gets held up from a lack of power.
all chuckles aside... i think whats important to take away from this is that this car, regardless of its struggling and not clearing it as easy as a dedicated rock crawler, is that it DID clear it. and when you concider that it can get the job done on top of being a far more practical and comfortable ride on normal street driving, id call that an overall winner.
Probably going to destroy that CVT, trade it in for a manual.
Would be interesting to see how it would do at the same track just with better off road tires, like you just bought the car and put better rubber on
Better tires wouldn't have made a difference. The Subaru wouldn't send power to the tires that had traction.
@@johnbouldin9033 it just didn't have enough power to sent to the tires with traction lol. The base engine is gutless.
@@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix these engines are ass true but with better tires it wouldn't need to break (not so hard atleast) on the slipping tire for the other one to rotate.
Btw the engine has enough power, the ECU is limiting it so it wont shit it's CVT like they said, and with less slipping and less breaking from traction control it would probably do much better
@@itayby yeah but when you lift a wheel it doesn't matter what kind of tire it is. The engine doesn't have the power when you lift wheels, especiallywith the electronics trying to protect the weak CVT. It needs to have a lower gear to make up for the weak engine and overly intrusive electronics.
@@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix yeah thats right about the ledge he needed more power I was wondering about the uphill climb where it slipped like crazy
TFL has done a good job over the years of demonstrating that the Subaru is a decent car for an outdoor enthusiast who may want to go down some national forest or logging roads to a trail head, campground or fishing site, and it will handle a certain amount of rough road, but don’t push it. If you don’t think you’ll really go over rough road it’ll certainly give you a comfortable and economic ride down the highway to where you’re going. If you’re really going off road then buy something else, but the Subie probably suits a lot of outdoorsmen just fine. You don’t really want to throw a dead deer in the back though.
I'm actually impressed with how this stock Crosstrek did. I paid attention to the wheel slip, wheel lift, and the fact that the car usually still kept climbing, even with a wheel in the air. I can work with that for a mild overlander.
For serious offroading, I'm using something like an old Jeep anyway...4Lo, locked center, steel armor, diffs that can easily be regeared/locked, easy bodylift/trimming for big tires with low COG, easy winchmount, flex, etc.
This Crosstrek would probably be considerably improved just by disconnecting the anti-swaybar(s), airing down, and adding skids/winch. Swapping to ATs/MTs and installing a rear lunchbox locker would take it even further. Adjustable coilovers that facilitate more clearance and flex would probably help a lot too, but most of the other above mods could probably be done on a modest budget.
The TCS is probably cutting power. Not the CVT.
A rear lunchbox locker is just a few hundred $$ for these cars. 'Considerably cheaper than a swap to siped 235/75R15 MTs.
when crawling it helps to put in "manual" mode and select "1st gear". that way it stays in the ratio that will help the best
Thanks for the tip. It’s the first vehicle with any meaningful clearance I’ve ever purchased. I took it off road for the first time and at some points I was wanting more of a crawl
I agree. If you don’t switch to manual for low speed off roading, the CVT is going to jump to a higher “gear” for some odd reason. I will sometimes switch to manual while going like 25 mph and I find that it’s in 7th for no good reason since you’re nowhere close to redlining in any gear before that at that speed.
I’d like to see more videos with the jeep renegade
Wait, this is the new project vehicle? I'm very excited!
When a dog jumps up like that, walk *towards* him, using your knee to gently, but firmly, push him backwards and make him step back. And, of course, say "NO!" firmly. Worked like a charm on one of our dogs who loved to jump up like that.
Lesson on CVT's: How to bleed all the engine's power away from the wheels.
Yah and put that together with the gutless boxer engine design and your going nowhere
CVT = 💩 💩 💩 👈🏻
@@neilmurphy845 Porsche owners … sharp intake of breath 😝
@@martiniv8924 Yah haha
It's all in the programming (aka lifespan), my Forester XT has the 3 mode select and paddle shift override, it can either be miserable as in this video or hook up hard. 125k miles and no issues so far but every day is a question mark.
Go with Falken Wildpeak A/Ts. Lightweight snow rated tires so less unsprung weight compared to the alternatives.
True.
Yeah I have these on my Outback XT and great tire!
Great tire, even in snow too. Have them on our Forester.
Got ‘em on my 04 Fozzie. Awesome alternative to the more expensive competitors.
I would still be interested to see you guys try a stick shift off road. I have a 2017/2018 impreza in manual that does good "off road"
Nice review and video. Do you think the Crosstrek with the 2.5 engine would have done better? What about the Sport model with the + mode?
older subarus are way better off road then the new ones in my experience.
Great video Roman. Don't know why I didn't get notification for this one?
I can't wait for a Ford Bronco review from this channel
Considering the fact that , my mazda 3 is on it's 12th lower control arm, just doing smooth roads, I cried of joy watching this video...
I know which car to get next!
You forgot to Vape 💨 it up the hill
The 2.0 is like an older Crosstrek but would like to see the newer 2.5 have a shot.
Me too. I just got one!
Great video Roman, I agree Crostrek is good vehicle, the CVT is the achilles heal, airing down the tires would have made a notable difference, I have friend who works for Toyota here in Canada and retold me that they own 16 or 17 % of of fuji heavy equipment co. which owns Subaru and i just don't get why they haven't gone and used a Toyota 8 speed auto from the Camry 4 cyl line up and i know there is a weight penalty of a bit though you wouldn't lose any fuel economy with an 8 speed auto and you gain reliability and longevity and will get 100% use of the engines power so it is a winning combination, Oh well time will tell 👍
For what it's worth, the stock tires have traction issues even before you get onto trails. I'd never had what I'd call 'bad' tires before this car, but hoo boy did they suck. I commute over a winding hill road and the stock tires would squeal at every corner that my old Honda Fit took like a champ. Put some Wildpeak AT Trails on there, it's like a whole new car and no need for new wheels or a lift!
Next up, we're going to see how this one particular flat-head screwdriver handles a variety of Philips-head screws. Jokes aside, still enjoying the content!
Why would you want to add bigger tires on the new Subaru when it doesn’t have enough power for the ones it has installed.
It’s pretty impressive for a car that’s not marketed as a rock crawler. And the fact we compare it to actual rock crawling vehicles is a testament to the car’s capabilities. But yeah, a low range gear ration would be great.
You guys need tk do a wilderness outback. I want to see how it does compared to the regular outback you guys tested the last time.
Owning one right now, the 2.5 version. I would say it's a good unpaveder instead of a offroader. (and I am getting 30+mpg on highway, so...
So, it can do whatever a Camry can do on dirt roads Coooooll.... lol
@@ToyotaNutjob Yes, Crostrek and Camry have no fundamental difference. Both of them are definitely not "real off-road vehicles". People who buy this car is like saying "I know 99.99% of my mileage will be on pavement, but I still want my car be able to handle some dirt or snow and some bumpy roads when needed" And the Crosstrek does have a high clearance comparing to most SUVs.
You can add a low range?? Forgive my noob-ness, but how?? And can it be done to the manual?
I like how you guys are careful not to damage your own car and not treat it like a press car. Lol.
Looks like a nice little car for some very gentle exploring. Now, Blaze is getting big. You can try gently stepping on his back feet when he jumps on you.
This was a great video! Instead of a puck lift, consider an iron man suspension, would be great to get your thoughts on it... though it's obviously more expensive than a simple puck lift you actually get additional travel and better articulation. Especially if you leave the swaybars disconnected!
Jeez i have no skin in the game but this is not an honest review of the Subaru. Thumbs Down all day.
Can’t wait till you guys review the new Subaru outback wilderness
Would love to see a comparison on this hill between this and the 2.5 crosstrek, and x mode vs dual x mode
The CVT does make it bad off-road, however, I had an 18 Crosstrek that handled this like a champ. It did not struggle like yours did and I’m confused why. I did see in one of the clips that your AC was on during the climb. This could definitely be why it struggled. That small engine loses a lot of power with the AC on. Anyway, just a thought.
These 2 ass clowns have shit talked every Subaru they've reviewed since the brand dropped them for trashing one a few years back.
They won't supply them with one anymore to review.
their issue was using stock tires, and failing to read the owners manual (turn off VDC during heavy climbing)
Not impressive for a brand known for high performance rallying 🧐
You are now banned from Subaru
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Was* pretty sure they stepped out of it.
@@FXIIBeaver IDK I'm preeetty sure Travis Pastrana is still racing Subaru's
@@alejandro11000 he is but I am pretty sure the company is no longer in rally.
Love the dog