My pleasure. I enjoy sharing so thanks for watching. And yeah it’s always worth a Few rounds to try and ping that steel off angle, get familiar with the holds.
Man I cant get enough of this content! VERY well done man! Thanks again for the knowledge bomb! Im sure ALOT of work and research goes into these videos I truly enjoy and appreciate them! Out to the range to re zero and experiment with zeros and gonna play with this a bit also!
Glad to make it ! And don’t stress about changing zero, I’d keep your favorite optimal zero and just learn your zeroes holds so your familiar and you be that much more badass with your rifle.
I can't believe I have went 30 years without knowing this! Today I found out during the barricade stuff that it defiantly is a thing. Excellent video Sir :)
your procedures and video production here were extraordinary. Thank you so much for explaining the ballistics and angles here for off angle shooting. Prior to this, it was a mystery to me.
Been shooting for over a decade, and only until I took a carbine course shooting distance did I learn about this. Excellent video, and much better explanation than the others I've seen!
I almost never comment on videos, but I was blown away by the amazing editing of this one and explanation of the ballistics. Outstanding production on this!
I'm searching around Virginia for ranges that let me shoot to range. I haven't found one yet that isn't private but I'm excited to get out there thanks to your videos. Off angle shooting is something I never thought about and can't wait to see more content.
I appreciate you watching. I know this isnt very practical but its still fun to test and know your holds. I hope you have fun doing it. I'm not familiar with ranges there, wish i could help you find one.
@@deltathirtyfour I'm doing a lot more combat handgun training with a former Aus SAS and have started to venture into shooting outside of the flat range. Your content is at a different level with the graphics for understanding. I can't wait to use what I learn here.
Thank you for this demonstration! Surprised that groups didn't keep moving to the left since the bore axis and optical axis are continuing to diverge and in the 90 deg. orientation there isn't any gravity to pull the bullet back towards the optical axis
The velocity drop makes it look like it drops down from a horizontal path. If it kept the same speed it would look more like a consistent horizontal path but loss of velocity + gravity . This’ll tie into longer range stuff.
wow, great stuff never thought of that. Doubt I'll get to try it on the fudd ranges around here but it's certainly better knowing the concept than not.
Totally agree, and this plays into precision shooting later. Appreciate you watching! You’re invited to watch the Friday premiere if you want of my new video!
Believe it or not but German snipers used to (or maybe still do) learn this with their .300 Win mags and high magnification scopes. Definitely a useful skill.
Thanks for sharing your first hand experience, it confirms the relevance of practicing this. I appreciate you backing that up for the video. And I agree skills at everything you can.
@@deltathirtyfour Your most welcome brother. You make great info videos!! Land Navigation, staying in shape, medic training, field crafting, and tracking are some skills everyone should know
Nice video and awesome info . TA01NSN was the first optic I ever bought . I got it in 2008ish while training some techs in Anniston Alabama . It was for sure used and definitely been through the ringer . Its actually 2004 or 2005 model . Usually when I'm shooting like this I'm using Vehicle as cover while training . I never considered doing this at distance . I know month ago at 2Gun MATCH that damn VTAC barricade wrecked my whole world because we had to use that bottom port lol which was horizontal and very low lol. Targets were at 55 yards and I struggled .. I'll always be a fan of the ACOG . I actually prefer TA45 . I kick myself in the ass for not getting TA31 ACSS AURORA Model before it was discontinued. I use TR24 with Red Triangle for 2Gun . We only shoot out to 300 yards . I now know what you were talking about with reduced sized targets at distance with Triangle reticle. Needless to say I ordered another 1-10× to be my new optic for my Comp Rifle . I'll just put the TR24 on my Centurion 12.5 HF and call it a day . TR24 is still one of my favorites but I'm considering selling it and getting TR25. Can't wait for the ACOG Video.. I didnt know until later on that Anniston Alabama was home of the Army weapons depot or at least one of them . I picked up quite a few Colt Parts and Uppers from there . I picked up even more Colt Parts when I went back in 2014 .
The Ta01 is still a viable optic. I ahoot most of the time in a black reticle even at dusk and dawn since the glass clarity is so good on the Acog. As far as the barricade of your right handed always fall to right shoulder so that you can keep familiar stock weld , that is if you didn’t. Prone on the lowest slot is almost impossible especially shooting at an upward angle. Also, if you get to grab up more depot stuff feel free to give me a call hahaha! The tr24 definitely has a better 1x but overall I’d rather have the tr26 maybe mil dot next time for ranging and easier holds. Thanks for watching and the Acog will have a few videos that cover things. Trying to keep the videos whithin and acceptable amount of time for viewers. Thanks for the shared experiences , much appreciation.
@@deltathirtyfour Shark Arms usually has some good TDP Colt and FNMI Parts online . I picked up Striped M16A1 Upper last week and MPC Colt Bolt with infamous White Dot . I've gotten quite a bit of cool TDP parts from him . Yeah I've never shot VTAC barricade unit couple weeks ago . We got 5 mins to walk through the stage and of course I had a plan. then you here that BEEP and the Men In Black De-Neuralyzer flashes and you forget everything lol. I'll for sure try that next time or if the ever get VTAC barricade at my local range . I guess I could just build one . It doesnt seem that hard to build... I'm backwards so I shoot pistol right and long gun Left . Im fairly good at being AMBI shooter with long gun . I've shot whole matches right handed before . For sure was a lot slower but I didnt get any penalties so that's a plus .
@@seanwhite304 badass, gonna check the website now. That de-neuralizer haha. I did but the yardage Acss Acog when they came out but never grabbed the aurora. Didn’t want another Meter chevron reticle. As far as the barricade they are easy to make. Since you get 2 per 4x8 sheet of wood, I made one a standard vtac and the second one random. Change it up a bit. Totally work it just build the legs string, and be careful using muzzle breaks near the opening. More on that in a future video.
Since they’re both going sideways with no elevation I’m sure I can as holding probably an inch or two high since I wasn’t using a magnifier. Guaranteeing an exact center hood with only the dot isn’t perfect…. Only close…. Didn’t have my magnifier with me so I had to do it old school haha. Thanks for watching !
I may have missed it in the video, but I noticed that you shot it ejection port up which makes sense as to not block the ejection port while firing. But when you went prone to aim under the car, you had ejection port down when aiming. Would you just aim similarly but to the left with similar elevations to mirror your results then? Otherwise, great video. I really should learn to do this more and know how much to hold at distance with my setup.
Great question, I did have ejection side down by the vehicle , but there was enough gap between the rifle and ground that it wouldn’t create a stoppage. As long as you have a gap, even an inch or more you’ll be good. You could switch to opposite shoulder , but you risk hot casings popping up and not your skin / down collar (not cool) and a worse shot if your super right arm dominant like myself. I’d only shootnopposite shoulder if I had to based on circumstance . Yes the trajectory will reverse and mirror the impacts shown here. This is an important video because this will tie into future videos to explain what’s happening in a few scenarios. Thanks for watching .
Very interesting video. I've done some off-angle shooting with VTAC barricades, but only at 50 meters and in (ranges here in Germany are a bit restrictive, but I've taken some classes in CZ). Next time I'm at the 100m range I'll have to try out some off-angle stuff from the bench at least. I'm curious where my 16" AR with a lower 1/3 riser and red dot zeroed at 100m will end up at 🤔
Another interesting topic I never considered before. Would different height over bore come into play in this shift or it is already accounted for in the guns zeroes? Edit: Apparently the EXPS3 has a HOB of 2.6” and the ACOG TA31 2.75”. Probably negligible.
Exps should be 2.8”, xps should be 2.6” but yes. Optic height does matter in conjunction with the zero distance chosen. This is basically to know your setup a bit more than the average user. A lot of people pass this over thinking it all impacts the same .
I know and understand why/how/when an acog is advantageous over a eotech. But I'm interested I haven't seen you use an eotech with a magnifier yet and would be curious how much that would aid in these test
The Eotech magnifier does help for sure. I posted a few speed runs using the Eotech on the Instagram , and I love the Eotech . They do have a couple of disadvantages that I might save for a future vid. Easier to film and articulate my thoughts through film. It’s a very viable option. I’m this scenario of off angle, the zero distances are what affected the point of impacts though so with a magnifier they would have hit the same using the 36y zero vs the 100y zero in the Acog. Good stuff. Thanks for watching .
those two extra shots are impossible to be on the right of the 1 that did hit the paper with the eotech. the sole fact that they went off paper and the 1st didnt means that the grouping of the 2 extra have to be somewhere to the left
That angle is actually very good when you are sitting in the dirt somewhere, and want to stay as low to the ground as possible. Like ACTUAL war, not shooting stationary targets. This is why people run all kinds of drills from the ground, and most will shoot in that exact position as 0:34, shooting through tight holes, or being completely face first into the dirt. Would you fire a shot in a war situation with your head plumped up for an enemy? Or would you take the most advantageous position for yourself near the ground? Good training skills to have. I haven't practiced that angle, but I know the value of it for sure. That brass jumping from the bushes might give you away though lol!
@@deltathirtyfour Definitely something to try at the range. My VG6 Epsilon will need a towel for sure, considering ports on the side. It darkened white cap on the bottle that was a foot behind a rifle, not even the front. Amount of gas it blows is incredible. Very flat shooting at long range. You can still keep eyes on metal target at 200 yards post shot I couldnt do that with Midwest Industries 2 chamber brake Flash hiders shine in these drills
Is it safe to assume since you were canting the rifle inboard 90 degrees if you were to cant it outboard 90 degrees, laying on your side would it be a mirror result? Meaning you would have to be aiming at where you were hitting canting the rifle inboard to make hits canting the rifle outboard?
Have you ever thought about exploring BAC shooting with the ACOG? I was never a huge fan before because the tritium isn’t reliably bright indoors and low light. Now that I’m considering an LED ACOG, I’m wondering how fast/useful it is for home or hallway distances vs a red dot with practical man-sized accuracy. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was fast and accurate enough for snap close shots inside 15yards. Especially when stressed, and muscle memory might fail you as you forget to use your offset or piggyback dot. I believe it was Brassfacts that said he can’t help but default to the standard cheek weld under pressure.
Yeah , bac is still. A bit weird I think from user to user. For instance let’s suppose your left eye dominant bit shoot right handed, it may not focus on the reticle immediately. A right hand right eye shooter may claim it’s awesome obviously leading a left eye shooter into something that may not work for them. Some people it’s fast, some people it’s not. Also with magnified optics something as small as eye relief could dictate how fast the bac method works. Very tricky when it come late to repeatability which can be trained out, but the second your in a random shooting position/ condition it may not work as fast as you’ve trained it.
@@deltathirtyfour I understand where you’re coming from if we’re talking about BAC shooting with a focus on a transition to a magnified image. I can see how eye relief and eye dominance could make the transition more difficult. But what about shooting BAC basically occluded? Shooting without the magnified image, just the illuminated superimposed reticle. Maybe even easier with low eye relief ACOGs where the scope shadow keeps additional information from reaching your eye. I’d imagine you could move NTCH to get the ideal eye relief if you need a better look at what you’re aiming at. Like I said, I’ve only really tried this myself a few times. That’s why I ask what you think about it.
Imagine a digital sight that would rotate and adjust the mill dots according to your hight over bore setting and degrees of rotation… not that’s an winning idea!
Dude these choices of video topics are ideal. So much stuff i had no idea about. Side note, have you ever messed with any ballistic calculators? If so did you have any advice, recommendations or words of warning?
Appreciate you watching. This video specifically ties into some important things when diving into longer range shooting. As far as calculators maybe download applied ballistics for its relative ease of use. Only warning is give is that real world data, (checking actual real impacts) in person is always the best. But the apps will get you close and also recalibrate errors in things like velocity on the box vs reality.
@@deltathirtyfour I just let my TA31 bite me the other day in the same spot as you. Prone and firing at an upward angle- these Southern Oregon mountains can limit flat range options at times!
do you use a program to calculate the optimal zero like in your zero videos? Or do you just input a lot of different zeros into a ballistic calculator?
My #1 method is to shoot the exact ammo and rifle/optic I’m using on a physical target at 300y to true the impacts in dead center. That way regardless of the setup I can center hold to 300. I only run calculators when trying find an optimal zero for red dots with random mount heights. But... you can always true Any red dot and mount height for an optimal path by making sure it impacts at 300y on your bore below optic height. That usually gives you the tightest groups . The Acog I always true the 300 or 400 stadia line in a physical target at the actual 300 or 400 distance .
I do input a few zeroes to slim down my rise and fall of the trajectory based on the setup but even strelok cannot predict how certain barrels and ammunition interact perfectly so first hand testing in real life is the ultimate truth.
I wish you would be more accurate when saying that a bullet travels upward on its trajectory. This illusion is only in relation to your sighting plane, not to the bore plane. Unless your bullets have wings and little engines, gravity makes them drop as soon as they leave the barrell.
I meant toward the sight axis.This is better displayed in my red dot zero video. I think you’ll find that I agree with you. You seem to know what I meant. Appreciate you watching .
How is this channel under the radar, this is superb information.
Hopefully it will get some notice. I try to create useful knowledge rather than entertainment . Hopefully this gets some interest.
Bro even highlights his hits as they come in man you are a step above sicks video
Oh man! I sure do appreciate the 90 degree bullet drop explanation! I can't remember ANYONE actually taking this into account! Really nice job!
We still practice it to this day .
time to go practice off angle shooting
Good video as always!
Very fun! I should have finished the video with headshots out to 300y using 90degree holds :)
Hot damn that was great production value- awesome video.
Your video editing is amazing.
Appreciate that! Better visuals in my newer stuff worth checking out !
Your vids are second to none. Thank you for this useful information, I’m going to give this some attention next time I am at the range.
My pleasure. I enjoy sharing so thanks for watching. And yeah it’s always worth a Few rounds to try and ping that steel off angle, get familiar with the holds.
Man I cant get enough of this content! VERY well done man! Thanks again for the knowledge bomb! Im sure ALOT of work and research goes into these videos I truly enjoy and appreciate them! Out to the range to re zero and experiment with zeros and gonna play with this a bit also!
Glad to make it ! And don’t stress about changing zero, I’d keep your favorite optimal zero and just learn your zeroes holds so your familiar and you be that much more badass with your rifle.
Finally, a video that explains aiming while canted that's understandable for idiots like me. I can't thank you enough.
Not an idiot if you sought after the knowledge ! Thanks for watching.
Superb visuals with great info, keep up the top tier work!
Thanks! Will do , got a few cool ones in the works .
I can't believe I have went 30 years without knowing this! Today I found out during the barricade stuff that it defiantly is a thing. Excellent video Sir :)
Glad you watched! Couldn’t remember what zero you were running but watch how fast you slap the a-zone at 90 now
your procedures and video production here were extraordinary. Thank you so much for explaining the ballistics and angles here for off angle shooting. Prior to this, it was a mystery to me.
Proving the ACOG’s continued viability one video at a time. Love your content!!!
Thanks! The next few Acog videos will be pretty awesome I’m working on !
Another excellent vid Sir. Imagine the kick in the teeth from an off-angled Sig Spear - in 6.8 x 51.
Yeah . Not looking forward to that.
excellent content and sharing of knowledge. Very grateful!
How does this video only have 3300 views?
Phenomenal work & information
Not sure but this one will tie in later to some important stuff.
Been shooting for over a decade, and only until I took a carbine course shooting distance did I learn about this.
Excellent video, and much better explanation than the others I've seen!
Thanks. Inside of 50y it’s not too noticeable but past that It needs to be practiced depending on which zero we chose.
@@deltathirtyfour I've been using the 36 yard zero for a hot minute now, but on a 11.5" barrel.
@@notzayne looking back i shouldve ran a 25m and 50y zero as well to see all four group paths.
I almost never comment on videos, but I was blown away by the amazing editing of this one and explanation of the ballistics. Outstanding production on this!
Appreciate it! I have some other stuff in the library you may like if you liked this one! Thanks again!
best shooting channel on UA-cam
Wow! Thanks a million for that! Makes these animations worth it if it helps people.
Good to see a new upload man. Your videos are, by far, the most detailed comprehensive videos on UA-cam. Keep it up.
Will do. Got some cool stuff wrapping up.
Somebody get this man a TV deal. Great quality, as always.
I wish!
I found this out with shooting my AR 22 trainer out to 100 and 150 ! Awesome video
Thanks! Yeah .22 has such low velocity you’ll notice this trajectory even more. Thanks for watching !
You're very knowledgeable. Great job explaining that and a great video as well
Much love and appreciation !
Awesome video and another good training exercise for when I am at the range.
Alway fun to try since it doesn’t use very many rounds up. Thanks as always for checking out my stuff!
Great Video man. Funny we just talked about this and I just now am seeing the vid.
All good! Did it make sense ?
I'm searching around Virginia for ranges that let me shoot to range. I haven't found one yet that isn't private but I'm excited to get out there thanks to your videos. Off angle shooting is something I never thought about and can't wait to see more content.
I appreciate you watching. I know this isnt very practical but its still fun to test and know your holds. I hope you have fun doing it. I'm not familiar with ranges there, wish i could help you find one.
@@deltathirtyfour I'm doing a lot more combat handgun training with a former Aus SAS and have started to venture into shooting outside of the flat range. Your content is at a different level with the graphics for understanding. I can't wait to use what I learn here.
@@FlankerAvila thanks a million. I have quite a bit more in depth ideas to level everyone up so stay tuned ! Thanks again.
Thank you for this demonstration! Surprised that groups didn't keep moving to the left since the bore axis and optical axis are continuing to diverge and in the 90 deg. orientation there isn't any gravity to pull the bullet back towards the optical axis
The velocity drop makes it look like it drops down from a horizontal path. If it kept the same speed it would look more like a consistent horizontal path but loss of velocity + gravity . This’ll tie into longer range stuff.
Great information. These are real thorough presentations. Thank you.
My pleasure ! More to come .
Wow! Good info and makes sense seeing it play out, but I've never tried unusual angles like these. Thanks for sharing.
This is important if you get into longer range shooting as well. Thanks for watching .
Great video, very informative. I learned quite bit from your videos, keep up the good work.
I appreciate that . Hope you’ll stay and watch the new ones coming!
Good stuff man. Great content and perfect visuals in the video
Thanks I have even better newer ones in my library worth checking out . Getting the hang of this as I go.
So well done 👍🏼… Thank you 🙏🏽
wow, great stuff never thought of that. Doubt I'll get to try it on the fudd ranges around here but it's certainly better knowing the concept than not.
Totally agree, and this plays into precision shooting later. Appreciate you watching! You’re invited to watch the Friday premiere if you want of my new video!
Sent by Whiskey Hotel. Good meeting and hangin with ya Saturday.
Yessir! So badass at ft. Harmar. Got me wanting to do more dmr work.
Very Interesting, never gave this a thought.
All good , definitely fun to try.
Awesome video!
Great stuff!
Definitely practice it if you haven’t . My most recent video shows an example of where it would have been handy.
Love the geeking out and explanation with some math to visualize. Hope you can do one for canted sights at 45deg.
I may explore this l again with some additional add ins.
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My pleasure and much thanks for that sub. Gotta get the info shared !
Good info 🇺🇸
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Believe it or not but German snipers used to (or maybe still do) learn this with their .300 Win mags and high magnification scopes. Definitely a useful skill.
Awesome little piece of information. It can be useful and this little bit of knowledge will play in to some future videos .
@@deltathirtyfour there’s an old bundeswehr video showing that. I’ll look it up.
@@borkwoof696 badass send link if you find it .
@@deltathirtyfour Here’s the video: ua-cam.com/video/HlLFkNV2YAM/v-deo.html. Some pretty sophisticated math must go into those shots.
@@borkwoof696 you rock ! Thanks
Great job brother 👌. I have had to use a tourniquet and shoot at weird angles. Great video
Skills at everything is necessary
Thanks for sharing your first hand experience, it confirms the relevance of practicing this. I appreciate you backing that up for the video. And I agree skills at everything you can.
@@deltathirtyfour Your most welcome brother. You make great info videos!! Land Navigation, staying in shape, medic training, field crafting, and tracking are some skills everyone should know
@@darryl4198 yup. Maybe move shoot and communicate will finally be a priority for the public.
@@deltathirtyfour True!! And most of all the good ole cover and concealment technics
This video blew my mind. I had no idea the bullet acted like that at 90 degrees
This is a super useful nugget to know. Ties into some stuff later !
Excellent video. Can't wait for your next ACOG video. Throw a RMR on top of it when you do!
Already did :) !
@@deltathirtyfour Sweet! Thanks for the help zeroing my rmr atop my acog. Can't wait to see the video!
@@deltathirtyfour Any updates coming soon? :)
@@Repomam2000 yeah. I have 7 videos being edited now. Trying to get them out ASAP. They’ll be worth it. A lot of work went into them.
@@deltathirtyfour Sweet!
Nice video and awesome info .
TA01NSN was the first optic I ever bought . I got it in 2008ish while training some techs in Anniston Alabama . It was for sure used and definitely been through the ringer . Its actually 2004 or 2005 model .
Usually when I'm shooting like this I'm using Vehicle as cover while training . I never considered doing this at distance . I know month ago at 2Gun MATCH that damn VTAC barricade wrecked my whole world because we had to use that bottom port lol which was horizontal and very low lol. Targets were at 55 yards and I struggled ..
I'll always be a fan of the ACOG . I actually prefer TA45 . I kick myself in the ass for not getting TA31 ACSS AURORA Model before it was discontinued.
I use TR24 with Red Triangle for 2Gun . We only shoot out to 300 yards . I now know what you were talking about with reduced sized targets at distance with Triangle reticle. Needless to say I ordered another 1-10× to be my new optic for my Comp Rifle . I'll just put the TR24 on my Centurion 12.5 HF and call it a day . TR24 is still one of my favorites but I'm considering selling it and getting TR25.
Can't wait for the ACOG Video..
I didnt know until later on that Anniston Alabama was home of the Army weapons depot or at least one of them . I picked up quite a few Colt Parts and Uppers from there . I picked up even more Colt Parts when I went back in 2014 .
The Ta01 is still a viable optic. I ahoot most of the time in a black reticle even at dusk and dawn since the glass clarity is so good on the Acog. As far as the barricade of your right handed always fall to right shoulder so that you can keep familiar stock weld , that is if you didn’t. Prone on the lowest slot is almost impossible especially shooting at an upward angle. Also, if you get to grab up more depot stuff feel free to give me a call hahaha! The tr24 definitely has a better 1x but overall I’d rather have the tr26 maybe mil dot next time for ranging and easier holds. Thanks for watching and the Acog will have a few videos that cover things. Trying to keep the videos whithin and acceptable amount of time for viewers. Thanks for the shared experiences , much appreciation.
@@deltathirtyfour Shark Arms usually has some good TDP Colt and FNMI Parts online . I picked up Striped M16A1 Upper last week and MPC Colt Bolt with infamous White Dot . I've gotten quite a bit of cool TDP parts from him .
Yeah I've never shot VTAC barricade unit couple weeks ago . We got 5 mins to walk through the stage and of course I had a plan. then you here that BEEP and the Men In Black De-Neuralyzer flashes and you forget everything lol. I'll for sure try that next time or if the ever get VTAC barricade at my local range . I guess I could just build one . It doesnt seem that hard to build...
I'm backwards so I shoot pistol right and long gun Left . Im fairly good at being AMBI shooter with long gun . I've shot whole matches right handed before . For sure was a lot slower but I didnt get any penalties so that's a plus .
@@seanwhite304 badass, gonna check the website now. That de-neuralizer haha. I did but the yardage Acss Acog when they came out but never grabbed the aurora. Didn’t want another Meter chevron reticle. As far as the barricade they are easy to make. Since you get 2 per 4x8 sheet of wood, I made one a standard vtac and the second one random. Change it up a bit. Totally work it just build the legs string, and be careful using muzzle breaks near the opening. More on that in a future video.
@@deltathirtyfour Thanks will do . Yeah my comp rifle has QD Muzzle Brake lol
@@seanwhite304 warrior
🍻 Great job!
Thanks my man!
great content dude subbed for more.
Much love and appreciation ! Be sure to check out the library of videos. A lot of cool stuff already posted! Thanks again.
This is excellent! Any ideas why the eotech was high at 200 yards relative to the acog?
Since they’re both going sideways with no elevation I’m sure I can as holding probably an inch or two high since I wasn’t using a magnifier. Guaranteeing an exact center hood with only the dot isn’t perfect…. Only close…. Didn’t have my magnifier with me so I had to do it old school haha. Thanks for watching !
I may have missed it in the video, but I noticed that you shot it ejection port up which makes sense as to not block the ejection port while firing. But when you went prone to aim under the car, you had ejection port down when aiming. Would you just aim similarly but to the left with similar elevations to mirror your results then? Otherwise, great video. I really should learn to do this more and know how much to hold at distance with my setup.
Great question, I did have ejection side down by the vehicle , but there was enough gap between the rifle and ground that it wouldn’t create a stoppage. As long as you have a gap, even an inch or more you’ll be good. You could switch to opposite shoulder , but you risk hot casings popping up and not your skin / down collar (not cool) and a worse shot if your super right arm dominant like myself. I’d only shootnopposite shoulder if I had to based on circumstance . Yes the trajectory will reverse and mirror the impacts shown here. This is an important video because this will tie into future videos to explain what’s happening in a few scenarios. Thanks for watching .
Still waiting on that video about barrel length lol. Best videos out here. Looks like it takes you weeks to make one
It’s close
And yeah, make em after work, and lot of edits
Very interesting video. I've done some off-angle shooting with VTAC barricades, but only at 50 meters and in (ranges here in Germany are a bit restrictive, but I've taken some classes in CZ). Next time I'm at the 100m range I'll have to try out some off-angle stuff from the bench at least. I'm curious where my 16" AR with a lower 1/3 riser and red dot zeroed at 100m will end up at 🤔
Should end up very similar to where the Acog was impacting since it’s 100y or 100m zero. Doesn’t take much ammo to figure out your impacts either .
Any updates on the video about barrel length and ammo types with ACOGs?
It’s a few videos from now. Should have a cool one this weekend. I’ll premier it live with chat.
Another interesting topic I never considered before.
Would different height over bore come into play in this shift or it is already accounted for in the guns zeroes?
Edit: Apparently the EXPS3 has a HOB of 2.6” and the ACOG TA31 2.75”. Probably negligible.
Exps should be 2.8”, xps should be 2.6” but yes. Optic height does matter in conjunction with the zero distance chosen. This is basically to know your setup a bit more than the average user. A lot of people pass this over thinking it all impacts the same .
Incredible
I imagine rotating 90 degrees would be the inverse in that unpacks would still be low but to the right?
Yeah everything reverses for the opposite side rotation
I know and understand why/how/when an acog is advantageous over a eotech. But I'm interested I haven't seen you use an eotech with a magnifier yet and would be curious how much that would aid in these test
The Eotech magnifier does help for sure. I posted a few speed runs using the Eotech on the Instagram , and I love the Eotech . They do have a couple of disadvantages that I might save for a future vid. Easier to film and articulate my thoughts through film. It’s a very viable option. I’m this scenario of off angle, the zero distances are what affected the point of impacts though so with a magnifier they would have hit the same using the 36y zero vs the 100y zero in the Acog. Good stuff. Thanks for watching .
what if i shooting slightly canted does it change trajcetroy or not ?
It changes it slightly
Great job. Where are the handbooks available?
I had to take them down for some edits. I’ll make you a deal because a lot of people have asked. I’ll tacked that video with book link next .
Is it the opposite if the rifle is 90° tilted to the right?
Finally, I almost understand 😂
haha, all you gotta do is go out and track the impacts for your setup! Thanks for watching!
Whiskey Hotel sent me here
Whatta guy he is and his crew are so cool.
those two extra shots are impossible to be on the right of the 1 that did hit the paper with the eotech. the sole fact that they went off paper and the 1st didnt means that the grouping of the 2 extra have to be somewhere to the left
The answer is obvious…I think lol. Your testing was done ejection port up, port down would mirror image the POI low and to the right correct?
Bingo !
That angle is actually very good when you are sitting in the dirt somewhere, and want to stay as low to the ground as possible. Like ACTUAL war, not shooting stationary targets.
This is why people run all kinds of drills from the ground, and most will shoot in that exact position as 0:34, shooting through tight holes, or being completely face first into the dirt.
Would you fire a shot in a war situation with your head plumped up for an enemy? Or would you take the most advantageous position for yourself near the ground?
Good training skills to have. I haven't practiced that angle, but I know the value of it for sure.
That brass jumping from the bushes might give you away though lol!
Glad you see the value. Doesn’t take many rounds to check this with your setup
@@deltathirtyfour Definitely something to try at the range. My VG6 Epsilon will need a towel for sure, considering ports on the side. It darkened white cap on the bottle that was a foot behind a rifle, not even the front. Amount of gas it blows is incredible. Very flat shooting at long range. You can still keep eyes on metal target at 200 yards post shot
I couldnt do that with Midwest Industries 2 chamber brake
Flash hiders shine in these drills
@@righteousone8454 yeah my buddies vg6 gave me a nice wound on my arm it the “first 10” video we did. No thanks on that. I like flash hiders.
Is it safe to assume since you were canting the rifle inboard 90 degrees if you were to cant it outboard 90 degrees, laying on your side would it be a mirror result? Meaning you would have to be aiming at where you were hitting canting the rifle inboard to make hits canting the rifle outboard?
Yep it’ll mirror for the left handers.
Have you ever thought about exploring BAC shooting with the ACOG?
I was never a huge fan before because the tritium isn’t reliably bright indoors and low light. Now that I’m considering an LED ACOG, I’m wondering how fast/useful it is for home or hallway distances vs a red dot with practical man-sized accuracy.
I wouldn’t be surprised if it was fast and accurate enough for snap close shots inside 15yards. Especially when stressed, and muscle memory might fail you as you forget to use your offset or piggyback dot. I believe it was Brassfacts that said he can’t help but default to the standard cheek weld under pressure.
Yeah , bac is still. A bit weird I think from user to user. For instance let’s suppose your left eye dominant bit shoot right handed, it may not focus on the reticle immediately. A right hand right eye shooter may claim it’s awesome obviously leading a left eye shooter into something that may not work for them. Some people it’s fast, some people it’s not. Also with magnified optics something as small as eye relief could dictate how fast the bac method works. Very tricky when it come late to repeatability which can be trained out, but the second your in a random shooting position/ condition it may not work as fast as you’ve trained it.
@@deltathirtyfour I understand where you’re coming from if we’re talking about BAC shooting with a focus on a transition to a magnified image. I can see how eye relief and eye dominance could make the transition more difficult. But what about shooting BAC basically occluded? Shooting without the magnified image, just the illuminated superimposed reticle. Maybe even easier with low eye relief ACOGs where the scope shadow keeps additional information from reaching your eye. I’d imagine you could move NTCH to get the ideal eye relief if you need a better look at what you’re aiming at.
Like I said, I’ve only really tried this myself a few times. That’s why I ask what you think about it.
@@HariboStarman oh my bad, you mean like having a front cap or bee tue optic, haven’t really tried it much honestly to give any good thoughts.
D34 and BF are no BS.
FR haha
Imagine a digital sight that would rotate and adjust the mill dots according to your hight over bore setting and degrees of rotation… not that’s an winning idea!
It probably already exists.
Vortex is making something that should do that
Dude these choices of video topics are ideal. So much stuff i had no idea about. Side note, have you ever messed with any ballistic calculators? If so did you have any advice, recommendations or words of warning?
Appreciate you watching. This video specifically ties into some important things when diving into longer range shooting. As far as calculators maybe download applied ballistics for its relative ease of use. Only warning is give is that real world data, (checking actual real impacts) in person is always the best. But the apps will get you close and also recalibrate errors in things like velocity on the box vs reality.
@@deltathirtyfour Understood, thank you for the recommendation.
we are now acog blood brothers :^)
Yes I bled so that others don’t have to :7
@@deltathirtyfour I just let my TA31 bite me the other day in the same spot as you. Prone and firing at an upward angle- these Southern Oregon mountains can limit flat range options at times!
@@TheDraeg haha it’ll forever imprint the caution on you to watch that recoil ! Good stuff
do you use a program to calculate the optimal zero like in your zero videos? Or do you just input a lot of different zeros into a ballistic calculator?
My #1 method is to shoot the exact ammo and rifle/optic I’m using on a physical target at 300y to true the impacts in dead center. That way regardless of the setup I can center hold to 300. I only run calculators when trying find an optimal zero for red dots with random mount heights. But... you can always true Any red dot and mount height for an optimal path by making sure it impacts at 300y on your bore below optic height. That usually gives you the tightest groups . The Acog I always true the 300 or 400 stadia line in a physical target at the actual 300 or 400 distance .
I do input a few zeroes to slim down my rise and fall of the trajectory based on the setup but even strelok cannot predict how certain barrels and ammunition interact perfectly so first hand testing in real life is the ultimate truth.
Is this briar rabbit?
Sure is ! Love that range.
Where is Gonzalo Lira?
The acog wins again
Win after win.
I wish you would be more accurate when saying that a bullet travels upward on its trajectory. This illusion is only in relation to your sighting plane, not to the bore plane. Unless your bullets have wings and little engines, gravity makes them drop as soon as they leave the barrell.
I meant toward the sight axis.This is better displayed in my red dot zero video. I think you’ll find that I agree with you. You seem to know what I meant. Appreciate you watching .
@@deltathirtyfour I hear you, it's a fine video, you do great work!