GPU Battle of 2022: RX 7900XT & RX 7900XTX vs RTX 4080 & RTX 4090
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- Опубліковано 23 лис 2022
- With the reviews out for the RTX 4080 and 4090 and AMD just releasing more benchmarks, how will the RX 7900XT and XTX compare in both Rasterization and Ray Tracing?
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i dissagree with you the rtx 4080 should be no more then $799, amd didn't go up in price aswell so to even say they can raze prices by $100 is not justified.
Yo Mac, can we have the cpu info next time. It should b there, ya know... The newest aint a 9900k or amd... If comparison is worth something. :)
Not an Nvidia fan boy by any chance, but I find it kind of biased that no reviewers or people are majorly bashing the 7900xt which is literally a 7800xt in disguise 😂
I agree. Naming it 7900Xt makes no sense. They should've named it 7800XT but than they'd look like the bad guys for increasing price by $250.
If you pay 900 for the xt you might as well get the xtx for 100 more .
Amd did the same thing as nvidia.
But nvidia withdraw the other 4080
Speculation for now.
I agree. That's why I made that video. To bring more awareness. The 7900XT is DOA until the price drops.
You really know how to get points across,
7900xt to me is 7800xt and should be around 700 usd.
AMD did what Nvidia did with 4080 12gb
nVidia: ceiling UP, floor UP
AMD: ceiling STOP, floor UP
Yes they did but not to the same degree.
You BLATANTLY AND DELIBERATELY miss the fact that Ngreedia is, literally, ripping EVERY ONE of its braindead customers not one...but multiple new a-holes. Nvidia's shareholders deserve some serious losses to their investments with Jensen's RTX 4000 series ABOMINATION.
Saying this before these cards are out and we have real performance numbers is just your imagination due to nvidia. Nothing else actually says this.
Thanks!
I’m going to buy AMD this round based both on performance/price and the fact I’m ticked off about Nvidia pricing policy.
AMD seems to get a lot of buyers who are ticked off at nVidia...
Thats AMD strategy working. And by pricing 7900xt so close to 7900xtx, they are pushing ppl to get the more expensive option. So AMD is using similar pricing strategy, but they are less greedy
@@soulawaken24 amd came out and said the aftermarket card prices are going to be alot higher than reference, 1500+
@@gazilla25 where at? Any sources?
I own 6900XT. I promised myself not to buy any new GPU this generation. Most likely will got for some waaay-post-release 8800 XT class GPU, providing it is roughly 2x the performance without insane power draw.
With a 6900xt, you can skip. There are not any games that require a new GPU this gen.
According the MLID, RDNA4 should be around ~50% faster than RDNA3, so the 8900XT should be ~150% faster than the 6900XT. IF the 8800XT is ~80% the performance of the 8900XT then it should be 2x the perf of the 6900XT.
RDNA4 wont be out until Q2 2024 at the earliest though so the 8800XT probably wont be out for another 2 years.
@@ImaMac-PCha… mods laugh at that one.
I'm in your boat. I don't feel like I need anything and I won't upgrade until I do. They're in for a long wait considering I don't see any good games coming out that need better hardware.
this is one of the best comparisons i have seen given the circumstances. well done!
Great video,mate do you think will have scalpers with the Amd new Graphic card?
I'm not as concerned due to the recent flop of the 4080 and many scalpers did not make money this time around. They know nVidia has 80% market share. I don't think scalpers will focus on AMD.
3090ti levels of raytracing sounds amazing to the 0 levels I get with my current rtx 2060.
Same. My 1080 ti ftw3 died. Currently running the 4 cores that come with 7900x. Or i could use my old 1070 re. I might as well wait another couple weeks for the 7900xtx.
I dont care RT anyways. Just another setting that will be off to jump up fps.
RT is still another 2 gens away if not more.
@@bear5016 exactly not to mention I'd go 1440p if I really wanted to play with it on like I'm guessing ppl with 3090s already do.
Yah , wondering myself why RT comparable to the 3090ti is a bad thing .
Is the 3090ti that bad at it ?
Ray Tracing is over hyped and doesn't add much to games with fast combat etc. It may have some uses in RPGs and the like but most of the time you're taking a performance hit for little to no benefit. Then add DLSS 3.0 which is utter crap since it introduces input lag and 4000series just isn't worth the asking price.
@@NoOne56488 what RT was suppose to do, is make it easier/faster development of games. Which from what ive read, isnt the case.
Either way, unless it somehow gets better for developers, it will just become more of a hinderance for both developers and gamers and ultimately be added to the pile of gimmicks like hair works.
Im not against RT. Im all for ever evolving gaming. We're just not there yet.
What about Unreal Engine 5.1 with baked in RT?Will that means cards like Pascal and Vega could run RT or i got that wrong?
Remember, all these cards are designed to drive 4k native resolution gaming on a monitor, but 4k HDMI 2.1/DP 2.1 monitors are slow in becoming mainstream. Most people don't even need native 4k if you game on a TV 6-12 feet away, millions of people use PS4Pro/PS5 and XSX with upscaled 4k just fine, and upscaling has only gotten better, especially with tech like FSR 2.0/RSR/DLSS2. A 500 dollar used 3080 or 6800XT should be plenty good for a long, long time.
(Personally I have a pair of high refresh 1080p and 1440p Freesync DP 1.4 monitors hooked up to a 6700XT and adjust graphics to hit 1% lows of 60 fps)
Have you compared FSR to DLSS? I game on a 55" 4K 120 Hz TV from about 4 feet away. So I need good 4K performance. DLSS 2 Quality is good enough for most games though. I'm considering a 7900 XTX.
@@daverhodus Good to know! I'm not sure how universal DLSS is going to be but I hope every game going forward has DLSS and FSR built in. Good luck with the 7900XTX, with FSR 3 it should last you a long long time and make hi-refresh 4k standard performance for you.
Great video man!
Do you think the AIB 7900XTX cards will be able to beat the 4080 in Ray Tracing?
Im hoping to snag a 7900XTX at launch, kinda bummed the AIB cards wont launch until a week or so the reference cards.
Still debating on whether its worth it to sell my 6800xt to help make up some of the cost or just throw it in my backup gaming rig that has an i7 10700K and 970ti in it right now
Thanks. Lot's of speculation on the AIB cards being significantly faster however, I am not as optimistic. As for selling the 6800xt, the real questions are: how upset are you when you game on a 970 (there was no 970ti) and how bad do you need the $400+ ?
I bought a used 2080 the next day after the 3080 was unveiled for about 380 EUR, anticipating somehow the mess that followed in the fall of 2020.
I have no reason to upgrade but it is really fun to watch this greed show.
I hope Jenson loses his position at nVidia.
Jensen is the CEO and founder of Nvidia. He ain't going nowhere
He's an icon. Not even his investors will challenge him.
Good analysis - I'd likely be interested in a 7900xtx when I retire my RTX 2080 Ti card as an upgrade. Can't help but feel that you are being a bit optimistic with ray tracing performance though , I got the impression the 7900xtx might perform similarly to a 3090 , and 7900 being similar to a 3080 , hope you're right though. I was expecting better RT performance with the 7900XTX being 30% down on the 4090 but comfortably faster than the 4080.
i never expected much more than 30 series + 10-15% in rt for this gen of rdna. anymore than that and rdna 3 would've been even longer to market with the r&d for rt alone. i'll be happy for what we get this gen, more raster and cheaper prices for the cards. nvidia is going to be hurting by middle of next year as they can't go as low on their cards as amd can with this chiplet design.
It's all educated guesses and speculation at this point without independent reviews. Will be interesting to see the ray tracing improvements AMD have achieved. I know with the RX 6000 and my own 6800XT especially when compared to my 3080Ti is that the performance tends to tank much more when enabling more than one RT effect when compared to the RTX cards.
@@TerraWare yes, but my 6700 xt is doing 4k Minecraft @ 35-45fps so I'm fine with it. Other games are just for a little bit more eye candy and I don't need that.
I'm looking to replace my 2080ti with a 7900xtx as well. As long as it lives up to the hype in reviews.
Keep in mind these are AMD's numbers. They can't lie, cause if they do, they go to court. But they can be cherry-picked among the games they tested and they could be optimistic as you say. From the announcement, the ray tracing for the XTX looked at least as good as a 3090ti. So that's the range we are dealing with currently. If ray tracing is important, then wait for review day!
Excellent video as always
Thank you!
Excellent research. Very helpful. Thank you.
Thank you!
Outstanding work man ty
Thank you!
Nailed it man ~ This is what I am expecting also!
Thank you!
On the melting connectors.
Igorslab said once that medical equipment gets worked on after the plastic molding process.
This ensures a consistent connection free of plastic burr.
I would say If Nvidia shiped a qualitative connector No one would have trouble plugging it in correctly!
Building my first pc in the next couple months. I want to primarily play between 4k and 2k respectively. So for me after doing some calculations I can build a beast of a pc for around 3k with a 7900xtx and a am5 cpu. Uncertain on the cpu I want yet but I'm gonna hold off to see if the x3d chips offer decent preformance upgrade over non x3d chips in atleast 2k. Should last me quite a while if I do it right.
I expect the 3D v-cache versions to offer a similar 15% improvement and is worth the wait.
Amazing video.. may have found an honest youtube channel. Subscribed.
Thanks and welcome aboard!
Great content. very well studied.
Much appreciated!
Gotta say, those proposed RT numbers from the 7900XTX are actually quite better than I expected.
Competing with the 4080 in RT @ $1000 USD, is.......... well, pretty impressive. 7900XTX is also slated to beat the 4080 in raster. If these numbers translate to real world, then wow, the 7900XTX will be the champion with ease.
Dude this is a fucking brilliant video. Earned a sub and like from me my guy!
Thanks and welcome aboard!
You got me thinking with this 'why not to use small cooler question'!
7900xt for $900 doesn't make any sense the same way as 4080 for $1200 doesn't.
This card should be named 7800xt and should cost $700 to take the market like a storm before Christmas.
6900xt was 10% faster than 6800xt and the price difference was $350, now we have a 20% performance difference but the price difference is only $100. Nobody will buy this. Shame.
Very useful analysis.
Glad you liked it, thank you!
I think for 1080p and 1440p the 7900xtx might be a lot closer to the 4090 in performance due to AMD's lower driver overhead pushing higher FPS when CPU limited.
I am really looking forward to those comparisons too!
It's just not very enticing to look at anything other than the Flagship Cards, and those have the giant Price-Tags anyways... a sad End to many sad Years.
The AMD Cards should have been the 7800XT and 7900XT.
999 for the 7900XT would have been expected, but the 7800XT had to be around the from me and you mentioned 749, or even lower at 699.
I am waiting for Reviews of the AMD Cards and I really want to Upgrade from my 1080ti to something that is at least double as fast for around the same Money.
Sadly I had to pay 900€ for my 1080ti in the first Mining Boom, so that Metric is a bit off now.
For me, it was "give me 100% more performance, and I give you 100% Money again" which I did my Purchase Decisions on. And I don't want to break with that Tradition ^^
I am very confident the 7000 series will go far beyond 100% more performance than the 1080Ti, I bought an MSI rtx 3060 Ti X2 OCV1 and achieve over 65-75fps on flight simulator at basically max settings at 1440p meanwhile my buddy has a water cooled 1080Ti and he had to have everything turned down to medium settings at 1440p to even break over 50fps so for that comparison my mid tier rtx card SLAPS the 1080Ti to also add MSFS is a very CPU demanding game he is running the 5950X 16c and I have the 5800x 8c 🥶
@@93ChayZ When I looked the 6900XT up, it was, if I remember right, just around 60% faster than the 1080ti, so 100% could be missed with the 7900XT. And I suspect the XTX to be a good bit over 999€$. My guess would be 1249€+ AIB Cards in Germany.
Maybe I can catch a FE on Launch for 999€ or very slightly above... over 1000€... I really do not like to do that... but the XT is looking even worse Price - Performance... We will see.
ill try to come back to this video to hooray you how well your predictions were once they come out
I have an RX 6800 XT so I'll be good for a long time.
All of this aligns 100% with my initial expectations during the 7900 announcement livestream. I decided during the stream that i would buy a 7900XTX immediately on launch and this video confirms that's the right choice (for me anyway)
I'm going with AMD with the next upgrade as Nvidia is becoming greedy than ever and an insult to consumers.
I'm sitting on a 5700xt hoping to upgrade to take advantage of my tv, lg c1 4k120hz HDR, currently the hdmi 2.0 forces me to do chroma subsampling 4:2:0, wanted a card that could go over 4k60 with hdmi 2.1 but wanted to skip a generation to get better performance for less..
theres a 20% tax on my country and the currency is currently pretty bad against usd, nvdia is not an option, too expensive and I really don't care about raytracing. but the 7900xtx with the exchange and tax is way beyond my budget.
wish the xt was cheaper, Don't really know what to do.
Just wait. Play at lower resolutions for now. Two years from now when the 5090 comes out the 4090 will be half the price or lower.
How did you get your hands on a RX 7900XTX for testing so early?
He didn't, he's analyzing numbers that are out there provided by AMD. There are no 7900XTX indipendent reviews yet and probably wont be until the embargo lifts December 13th or maybe 12th. Im not sure.
As I said in the video, these are based on AMD's numbers. I'll be getting "in line" on the 13th like everyone else in hopes of getting one.
@@TerraWare So this channel is theorycrafting for views? The world needs less of that.
I think the 7900xt is a card AMD doesn't really want to sell. They allegedly don't get many defects on Navi 31 so don't need to cut it down much. That's probably why it wasn't the 7800xt. That makes oddness for the rest of the stack though, 7800xt and 7700xt both on navi 32 means one of them is going to suck. I got a 6800 for $350, excellent value IMO. I was trying for a 3080 at around $400-450 but those havent gotten that low yet.
A 6800 for $350 is great!
This video feels like a victory lap, as far as your guesstimates go. Good job.
This is the first video of yours I've seen but I appreciate you just giving me the facts as well as you can. Makes comparing my potential options much more clear.
I'm planning on upgrading my 970 gtx to a 7900 xtx. I was originally kind of sad about that as I have been excited about that tracing since it first got announced years ago... And AMD is decidedly worse at it than Nvidia. But... Excluding the 4090 monster it seems like going AMD will be pretty darn good. Either way it will be amazeballs compared to my outdated rig that I've been putting off upgrading mostly for to the mining prices being so high. I'm still paying more than I'd like but hey, now is the time.
I'm in the same position with a 980Ti to be replaced with a 7900XTX. My 7 year old GPU is pretty good most of the time but the most recent games (2021+) give it a bit of a challenge.
Thank you and you are going to be amazed at the performance uplift over that 970. Upgrades every gen don't put that same smile on your face like when you skip a few generations.
I really wish AMD can catch up quickly on the productivity backend so we really don't need to keep paying the CUDA-tax anymore.
doesn't look like it will happen any time soon and RDNA2 architecture was really bad at raw compute, RDNA3 looks better, but ROCM is still a complete mess :(
For majority of pc playerbase the winner is manufacturer with better price/performance ratio. For techtubers, enthusiasts and rhichies rtx 4090 is the winner.
A very well made video. Well done. I’m definitely looking forward to 7900 XTX moving from Nvidia.
Thanks. You and me both!
It makes sense, because performance per dollar would actually be better than 4 year old GPUs otherwise!
You sometimes sound like the T I Guy... Tie...Ti... that guy.
Thanks for the detailed breakdowns of RTX vs RX
You bet
where would someone buy the xtx amd website?
www.amd.com/en/direct-buy
I am afraid scalpers will make the 7900XTX so expensive it will be cheaper to get a 4080 from retail.
seriously doubt it. I will let you know what I paid for my new 7900XTX when they drop into retail.
Bought a 6800 XT for 520. Feel very good about the value and performance. I'm not spending 1k on a GPU.
I have a GTX 1080 on a 144hz 1440p monitor with an overclocked i7-6700K CP. I feel that my PC is old now. I notice the FPS and fps drops in the game. Just the fact that windows no longer support my platform says a lot too. Back in the day, my pc build monitor and M2 SSD for that time was 3000$. Now I feel that I want the same performance and high fps as back in the day. The price of the GPU for a 4090 that about 2500$ in my country. Today like 6-7 years later I think my budget needs to be 5000-6000$ with water cooling. Since none of the blocks I got today is valid haha. At least I will wait until Q2 next year before I order anything.
All you need to do is upgrade your GPU. I have the same cpu as you and I get 60fps at 4K in all my games. If your pc is getting sluggish you should reinstall your OS.
best content thanks
Thank you!
As I've said many times now.... If I'm paying over $1000 for a GPU, I do not want to worry about my graphics card and adapters setting on fire.
Kinda funny you say that, it's almost exlusive the expensive cards with their high W demand that usally is the one you need to worry about adapters and gpu setting on fire
@@tabben82 Maybe I feel that should change.
I have an evga 3090 atm so I am just going to sit on it, this said I may need to upgrade as it is having a few problems and its temperatures keep rising.
On a plus note, it still has one and a half years of warranty left and if it dies I will likely just get my money back, so that is something. Wish I hadn't had to spend as much on it as I did though.
I just wish AMDs cards were worth a damn in blender.
Thanks for the feedback. With a 3090, you could skip a generation.
Miss the days when a high end is about 7 to 800
Me too. I hope Jensens Master Plan fails and prices get back down to $800.
Nvidia would love for there to actually be a GPU Battle. Unfortunately for them they cant even get on the playing field at the money they are asking for. Once the AMD Cards drop into retail any hint of a GPU Battle will have ended.
will definitely upgrade to 7900xtx after my gtx1080
GN VERY CLEARLY called into question the design choice and how it resulted in the user error.
If it's not designed properly, then it's NOT user error.
@@ImaMac-PC that’s literally what I said. Not only that, poor design CAN ABSOLUTELY result in user error. They aren’t mutually exclusive. WHEN the design flaw causes the user error, the user error is no longer the fault or not entirely the fault of the user. It doesn’t mean the user error doesn’t happen. It means the design made the likelihood or error exponentially greater.
2:20 Jensen beeing exposed for beeing a very not nice person
how safe would it ever be to buy an used GPU?
There are no guarantees when buying used. I said it in my previous videos. I've had many used GPUs work fine and I've had a few that had problems within months after purchase and had to replace. You can help to minimize the risk when buying used by asking a lot of questions from the buyer, but it is still a risk. Buying one with more than a year of warranty left on it also helps reduce the risk.
@@ImaMac-PC Thx for the answer
AMD for fapper gamers
Intel for Nerds, gamemakers
Math done correctly. Thanks for this.
You're welcome!
I worked out that the 7900xtx is around 10-20% slower in Raster compared to the 4090, based on what AMD showed during the announcement of the the new cards.
I have a RX 6950 and it’s great for what I want, I haven’t ran into any issues, that being said I really only go up to 2k
Great card for 2k.
I don't think the 7900XT pricing is as dumb as it first appeared. I think it puts a cap on the AIB pricing possible for that card and keeps it near to or under 1000.
The 7900XTX? Asus will release a Strix that's frickin 1300 dollars.
The 7900XT? Would an AIB really price an aftermarket model at over 1K when the much stronger XTX is MSRP'd at 1K?
That's an interesting take. I think about the increase in price over last gen reference cards and didn't factor in what AIBs would do with pricing this gen.
@@ImaMac-PC
AIB pricing has been extremely ugly on some of the 4080's and most of the 4090's, and it's a bad look. I think Radeon would have a feather in it's cap if it could influence the pricing of the 7900XT to stay controlled at between 900 to 1000. I don't think you're going to see many XTX's at a reasonable cost. I'm nearly convinced that this is Radeon's reasoning for the small price gap.
Very nice video,im waiting the Red Team to buy RX 7900XTX,Green Team is dead with those price!!
Thank you!
According to the rasterization graphs, the 7900 XTX is ahead of the 4080 by 23%, not 17% as you mentioned.
Nope.
The 23% difference you see in the graph is using the baseline of the 6950xt/3080ti. In other words, the 7900xtx is 23% faster when compared to the 6950xt/3080ti than then the 4080 is.
If you are compare 155% to 132% (the 7900xtx to the 4080), you have to make 132% be new baseline. So you do 155%/132% =~1.174, so ~17.4% faster? So if the graph had the 4080 as “100%”, the 7900xtx would be ~117.4%
@@adamhero459, correct. I did the following formula: if 132 is 100%, than 155 is x%. So you multiply 155 by 100 and divide the result by 132. X is 117.4%. So 17.4% faster than the 4080, true. Thank you for pointing it out!
Its all according to the plan, they want to sell 4090s and clear the ampere stock before christmas, they can always drop the price later.
it feels like AMD saw the prices and performance on the 4090 4080 16 and 12 GB models at the time and decided to price the 7900xt at 900$ when otherwise it would have been a 700-800$ card.
the gap in performance between the 7900xtx and the 7900xt is too big for only a 10% cheaper price.
Exactly!
Wish they launched 7900xt at $799. Thats my top end and id probably be happy with it there but at 900 it doesnt make sense compared to the xtx which is beyond my budget. It leaves me in an akward spot to either continue to wait or buy last generation.
I agree. Thanks for that feedback. It's like they priced the 7900xt so it does not sell.
AMD need to make a card with 136CU if they want to be close to the RTX4090
Yes, AMD’s cost to performance is better on their factory cards. I think everyone is leaving out the third party cards are going to likely be +$200, making them the same price as the 4080.
Nvidia RTX 4000 series: cards for the braindead (probably the same braindead that keep funding Scam Citizen !!!)
Seriously good points, super informative. AMD for the WIN!!!!
Thank you!
Well I already know who won in my mind. I wont give Nvidia a Fking dime this time around. When they start respecting their customers I will reconsider. Already bought AM5. Just waiting on Radeon 7k.
I could not pass up the deals on AM5 and I am very impressed. I hope the XTX will equally impress.
@@ImaMac-PC I paid $658 before tax on a Asus Tuf Gaming X670E, a Ryzen 7700X, and 32Gigs of Gskill 6000 Ram. That kind of next gen performance for $658 is amazing.
I belive the 4000 series should not be more expensive then :
4090 : 1699
4080 : 999
4080 12gb : 750
Being honest
I think that AMD (over)priced 7900XT at $900 to have an answer to a 4080 price drop, which is inevitable. If AMD doesn't cut XT's price, it will be sitting on shelves, like 4080s are.
Omg 13th December is literally 2 weeks away but it feels like eternity! I have a 1660 super, saved up 1.5 years for a the next generation GPU. Enough to buy a 4090 with spare but didn’t join the dumb bandwagon. I have a meshify 2 , noctua NH-D15 CPU cooler, 5800x3d and more Noctua industrial fans, can see why I’m impatient?
You have been very patient with a 1660 Super. I hope you land the GPU you want on launch day.
The price wins and Technologie .
I spent $1,229 on my new RTX 4080, because everyone was sold out of the RTX 3080. I love it! ❤️
World of Tanks Ultra Settings 295 fps, and 326 fps on Maximum! I'm so happy with my purchase.
It is a great card and if you can afford it, enjoy it!
Price wise It make sense in Nvidia’s world! Is that not clear to everyone.
Im team green all over but when I saw the price RTX4080 had I went over for the first time to team red. Will now buy 7900 XTX in a few weeks instead. From NVIDIA since over 20 year to AMD.. now that should be a wake up call for NVIDIA. I rather buy RTX but No way I Will pay that price! Just hope that more people do like me so that NVIDIA just have to lovet the price in future. I mean what do you think RTX 5090 would cost.. not under 3000 dollars that’s for sure.
I already bought all my parts sitting in a corner.. Waiting for December 12 to see some tests. Will be my first AMD ever. Kinda spooky but connector problem and price of 4080s are just ridicilous..
nVidia is converting many to Team Red just through pricing.
7900xtx is the only one that makes sense.
At least if you use your head and don't base purchase decision on sentimentality.
You want something 10-20% better than the 7900xtx and pay double the price?
Then sure, get the 4090. But make sure to keep a fire extinguisher next to you at all times.
4080 and 7900xt both don't make sense and are only there to drive customers to halo or lower end or last gen products.
We already know that is true on the 4080 since nVidia only made 30k but they made 4x that amount with the 4090. If AMD only produces 1/4 as many XT's then this strategy to drive people to buy the halo product will be proven true for them as well.
nVidia wins in performance but in price and efficiency AMD is may be gonna win
Funny people talk about 4080 and 4090 which can't find and can't even find 3080 and 3090 and ti. Playing 4k all you find at stores is 3060 and 3070 so sad black friday sucks now
just got pny RTX 4080oc need that gsynk working so rtx its for me Gas its to expensive too so pls stop it
This is the most ridiculous GPU launch ever. In my location I will not be able to get a single new gen model for under 1K considering the added VAT. It's a complete dumpster fire.
It does make it difficult to be an enthusiast at these prices.
RTX 4090 is a great card for high resolution VR gaming.
It's the best in the world right now...for any kind of gaming.
Nvidia likes to be like Apple, but they forget that when Apple rip-out customers at least they provide quality accessories and premium package
That comment is priceless!
Basically 4080 price was so astrocious that a lot less ppl are paying attention to how bad 7900xt price is 🤣 basically for new gen, the tldr is get 7900xtx for best value and 4090 if u are feeling rich or if u game at 4k with RT. Both 4080 and 7900xt has no place on the market at their current msrp.
The "4080" should be no higher than 699
Thank you!
So what you say is that the 4080 should cost $899 and the 7900 XT should cost $749.
The 7900 XT is basically as fast as the 4080 in raster but 20% slower in RT (according to your numbers).
So you suggest that the RT perf difference worth $150 or in other words NV cards deserve the higher price increase just for the RT perf increase?
I agree they are both overpriced but the 4080 is way more overpriced and should cost $800, even $899 is too much, inflation accounted.
6800 XT @ $649 -> 7900 XT (7800 XT renamed) @ $749
3080 @ $699 -> 4080 @ $799
Nevertheless the situation is NV 3000 cards were never sold @ MSRP (those were fake MSRP numbers) while AMD cards are way below of their MSRP for some time so you have to pay much more for NV in the same performance tier.
The 4080 should cost NO MORE than $899 and that is being very generous. The RTX 3080 with 12GB never had an MSRP but settled down to just under $800. And adding 4GB more of VRAM would push it higher.
I'll take dlss over anything that amd has to offer thank you
greedvida
what battle? nvidia is charging nearly $1,700 for the 4090! LOL
who tf would buy 7900xt its so dumb these choices
The RTX 4090 will dominate all. AMD needs to step it up if it wants to compete for all out performance this gen.
AMD left room for a 7950. I'm curious to see how it works out.
😅..4080 price will drop back to $699 very soon..😅. It is coming... bec..nobody is buying very overprice Asus $1559 4080 anymore.😊
AMD's Reference Clocks MUST be Sandbagging. I hope that they are trying to add value to AIB's by enabling them to clock the aftermarket cards up to match their eventual higher prices. If this is the case and if clocks scale well, Nvidia is in TROUBLE.
The 4080 is a 4070, as shown when you add about 55-60% more cude cores to the past 70 class cards you get the flag ship card core count. Both 4080s are a lie!
Some clear bias in your video but I digress. Fanboism is stupid. I have Intel, AMD and Nvidia in different computers.
That out of the way, the 40-Series has a clear advantage though, DLSS 3 (and obviously DLSS2). DLSS 3 destroys FSR, it destroys DLSS 2 for that matter and this is only the first iteration.
I agree fanboism is stupid. Some videos I make I'm called an nVidia fanboi and in other videos I'm called an AMD fanboi...please help me understand. What makes you come to the conclusion that there is clear bias (e.g. specific statements made)?
@@ImaMac-PC I got the impression from your fps calculation comments that you were saying it was definitively better.
Don't think you went fanboy at all just seemed like you were giving too much leeway to a card based on speculation and trusting AMDs numbers for something that at the time wasnt released.
And as mentioned, also, a lot of people will use either FSR or DLSS which wasnt taken into consideration. DLSS 3 for example obliteres the 7-series cards in fps, even on the 4080
After 23 years, I am ending my relationship with team green. Nvidia has become sloppy, lazy, and entitled. Time to divorce Nvidia and switch to team red.
If I can ever find a 4090 at msrp that's the one I will buy. I am hoping the stock levels will increase between now and Spring.
Aren't you afraid of the melting connector?
@@muratveli It only melts if you do not plug it all the way in, once its all the way in, there is no risk of melting the connector.
Spend a bit extra and buy a 4090. You can find 4080s at MSRP, because nobody wants them!
first viewer :D
great :D
Legend!
@@ImaMac-PC Your work is legendary, keep up the good work and thanks.
They pacifically said this doesn’t go against the 4090, yet you still put it up against it!!!!
You cannot deny the curiosity in wondering how AMD's high end GPU competes with nVidia's high end GPU. I just put them all on the same slide to compare. I also showed the value comparison to the 4090. Are you not curious?
In other words,
buy a 4090,
Nuff said.
In other words buy a used 3080 for 400 and stick the finger to Nvidia. Better yet get a 6800
@@pietrmuffei8874
Umm, no.
PC Gamers, get the best and will pay for it. Build their own Gaming PC's and Build their own PC gaming rooms or pay to have one built.
Any gamer who plays a console = is not a real gamer = Starting out at being a gamer.
Real gamers turn their Gaming PC's into Shrines!!!!
Dust it a few times a week (inside and outside).
Will wipe out (OS drive) their Gaming PC's a few times a year or more and re-install everything from scratch.
*GAMING PC'S USUALLY WILL START AT ABOUT 5 GRAND (MONITOR WILL BE ABOUT 2 GRAND OR SO JUST FOR THAT ONE ITEM USUALLY WILL BE 32" OR MORE. WILL BE HDR AND 4K AT 144MHZ AND A REAL GAMER NOW DAYS, WILL GAME AT 4K AND NOTHING BELOW IT).