nice job on the Iceberg. There's likely 100's of other anecdotes and such that could be added or included more Icebergs (I think on reddit, I've seen 3 or 4? Progressive Rock Icebergs). 1 that I think would be worth including at some point. Rivers Cuomo of the band Weezer took guitar lessons from Jim Matheos of Fates Warning, and before he was in Weezer, had his own Prog band of sorts named "Avant Garde." And actually by that token, throw in the likes of -Billy Joel was in the Prog band "Atilla" before his solo career. -Elton John had an auditon for King Crimson
Oh hey! You did a great job with a ton of attention to detail, which is something that I highly appreciate! (Also, thanks for making that timelapse, because it really worked well in the video ;P)
Tier 1: In The Court Of The Crimson King: 0:58 Dark Side Of The Moon: 1:30 Close to the Edge: 2:14 Prog Classic's By Non-Prog Artists: 3:08 Syd Barret: 4:38 Alan Parson's Project As The Chicago Bulls Theme: 6:36 The Dark Side Of Oz: 7:27 The Canterybury Scene: 9:57 Krautrock: 10:50 Italian Prog Rock: 11:53 Tier 2: The Prog Archives: 13:14 Gentle Giant Sampled In Hip-Hop: 14:05 Miles Davis Electric Peroid: 15:36 Coheed and Cambria is a Concept Band: 16:56 Supertramp 9/11 Theory: 18:04 To Be Continued Meme: 19:24 Klaatu Are The Beatles: 21:54 Prog Artists on David Bowie Albums: 23:50 Dream Threater Metropolis Part 1 is a joke: 24:55 Robert Fripp is aware of /r/KingCrimsonCricleJerk: 26:03 Steven WIlson Remixes: 27:36 Roger Waters Spitting Incident: 28:44 Tier 3: Can Album Being Delayed Because of Chess: 31:15 Maynar James Keenan's Stage Presence: 32:01 Keith Emerson's Death: 33:34 Porcipine Tree started as a joke: 35:18 Rock In Opposition aka RIO: 36:41 Zeuhl: 38:23 Pink Floyd's Original Band Names: 40:15 Proto-Prog Bands: 41:36 The First Side-Long Epic: 42:46 Scott Walker: 43:45 Canterbury Scene isn't Canterbury Exclusive: 46:14 The Snowgoose is a Soundtrack Album: 47:05 Tier 4: The Shaggs: 49:24 Jaco Pastorius's Death: 53:04 Robert Wyatts Accident: 55:16 Thick As A Brick Is A Joke: 58:12 Tim Smith's Death: 59:35
or "regressive Rock"? "if you take the "progressive" sound; keyboards, weird time signatures, yada-yada-yada that' s REGRESSIVE by its very definition..."progressive" means you take the perceived rules, and you disregard them, then you do what your art says you do." -James Bickers
the To Be Continued meme (and JoJo as a whole) is why im a music nerd today. i was very much only listening to video game osts as a kid until the meme turned me on to roundabout, then fragile, then all of yes (that you could get on streaming circa 2016), then pink floyd and more prog rock and over time more things led me to tons of other genres p.s. the change in music is less copyright related but because every season they swap the music out, usually to stuff relevant to the part that the season covers (walk like an Egyptian for part 3 which in the second half where it's used takes place in egypt)
Great video, but the reason Roundabout was replaced is not copyright. Every ending theme for the series is picked by Araki relating to the music he was listening to at the time of writing the original manga
As fate would have it, Roundabout appeared in a JoJo episode ending once again for the final episode of the end of the main storyline (Part 6) to bring everything 'full circle'. Funly enough, copyright WAS the issue for that ending, tho, because the final chapter called "What a Wonderful World" implied THAT's the true outro for the story's ending. I'd urge any JoJo fan that finished Part 6 to check out the Final Episode Ending Credits edit with the Louis Armstrong song instead of Roundabout, it might make you cry.
I'm not huge on prog but this was one of the better iceberg videos I've watched/listened to, its got more emotion and thought put into explaining each part of the tiers, as well as great editing. Awesome video!
Just outrageously outstanding video! I thought I knew a lot about prog music but this literally blows me away. Exhaustively researched, well organized, thoughtful, coherent and entertaining! My first visit to the channel and I am subscribed and will be watching more. Amazing work!
@@365DaysofProg I noticed you do lots of collaboration videos. If you're at all interested I'd be happy to do so. It's a bit like a minnow asking to join with a whale but never hurts to ask. Keep up the great work! 😀
@therockrollsoapbox6075 Very nice to discover another proghead on YT! I ALWAYS love doing collaborations! Wanna contact me on my email? It's in my about page ;))
It’s such a nice surprise to see Klaatu anywhere! Easily one of the most underrated bands out there, not to mention the near flawless masterpieces of their first two albums! Sadly everything else they made went downhill fast…
"The Dark Side of Oz" was known way before the 90's. I grew up in the 80's and we knew about it. It was like one of the first things anyone was talking about in groups of people who "partook" of substances, or at record conventions. When VHS came out, you would see it at them.
Would have included The Mars Volta's cursed album(s) It's a whole rabbit hole but their album Bedlam In Goliath was based from experiences they had with interacting with potentially cursed objects they found in The Levant
One thing to take note, I think the entry for L. Ron Hubbard's fusion album refers to Power of Source by Apollo Stars, which was recorded by L. Ron and the titular group on his boat in 1974 while he was dodging the law. The album itself is decent enough, all of the members had jazz experience, but it sounds like trash because L. Ron insisted on producing despite having no clue how to do so. That being said, scientology does have some presence in fusion history, as before its infiltration into Hollywood many of its early celebrity adherents were musicians, especially Chick Corea, whose (otherwise very good) album The Romantic Warrior is dedicated to Hubbard.
@@SynGirl32 Oh wow! I will look into that other album, perhaps I got it wrong. Space Jazz (despite its name) does not quite sound "fusion" to me, so that might be the source of the distinction. And add for The Romantic Warrior being dedicated to Hubbard - that just feels WEIRD... Gonna look into that as well ;))
> NO "A MATANÇA DO PORCO" FROM SOM IMAGINÁRIO > NO "A E O Z" ALBUM FROM 'OS MUTANTES' > NO 'AMANHECER TOTAL' FROM 'O TERÇO' 2ND ALBUM > NO 'BACAMARTE' C'mon, guys
Irmão, o cara é GRINGO, e esses álbuns nem são tão conhecidos fora do Brasil e até é melhor não ter, pq tirando o disco do Bacamarte, esses discos são mais MPB e rockinho do que PROG, ou seja, uma merda
@@DEAKY0921Cara, a Matança do Porco e o A e o Z não são prog? E a minha crítica é justamente pertinente, a maioria dos gringos é completamente ignorante quanto a discos absurdos que não são europeus / norte americanos. Agora você dizer que só o Bacamarte que é prog é de doer mesmo, mas tem maluco pra tudo
@@DEAKY0921 btw, pelo conteúdo do teu canal da pra entender porque tu considera essas obras como 'merda'. Espero que daqui dez anos você tenha obtido alguma mudança mesmo que mínima de percepção.
One of my favorite things about videos like these, as a pretty casual fan of prog rock, is when a band or artist is referenced that had a prolific career and is basically one of the legends of the genre and I have *never* heard of them. Also that Sherman Helmsley story... A genuine die-hard fan, apparently. 😆
wow, very cool Naomi! I've only checked out the 1st 10 minutes, but this quite extensive research and editing. Of course many know The Dark Side of the Moon sync with The Wizard of Oz ..but I don't see it on there, these 2 other syncs I feel could also be included 2112 with Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway with Dark City
Oh my! I've never heard of those matches. I think I know what I'm doing tonight lol. (And I assume that you are referring to the original Charlie in the Chocolate Factory, right?)
@365DaysofProg the original "charlie and the chocolate factory" film with Gene Wilder in 1971 was called Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, unlike the book and later film adaptations. Regardless, I never heard of this particular one before! Definitely checking it out! For anyone else on this trip check out A Wild Hare by Spastic Ink. Not a coincidence but the music is directly taken from Bambi, Thumper's lines and the score interpreted into prog rock/metal
@@365DaysofProg yeah "Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory" from 1971? Not the Johnny Depp "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" from 2005? 1 example is when the song "Tears" comes on, Charlie's mother is crying.
Great video! I would like to make a couple of corrections about the Jaco Pastorius segment at 53:05, though. • The album artwork at 53:39 is for Paul Bley's untitled 1976 album, dubbed "Jaco" by fans, not Jaco's own debut album. • Jaco began abusing drugs sometime in 1977 or 1978, though the situation worsened significantly in the '80s. • Even though Jaco wasn't happy with the direction Weather Report was taking, the real reason he was forced out was due to scheduling conflicts. The group had planned to take the year off, but the record label forced them to go on tour, by which time Jaco had already booked the Word of Mouth tour. I don't have any statistics, but it seems the claim that the tour performed poorly is untrue. Jaco played to huge audiences, and the Aurex Jazz Festival shows even spawned three live albums: Twins I and Twins II (1982), and Invitation (1983). • His death was caused by a bouncer beating him up after his aggressive behavior, not simply from trying to enter the club.
@@JacoPastoriusArchive Thank you for this insightful comment! And please excuse my mistakes or inaccuracies. And I also feel that the cause of death explanation part is on me; I should have phrased that part better, seeing is painted a somewhat inaccurate picture of the events...
@@365DaysofProg It's okay! I can't imagine how much work you put into researching, writing, and editing this video-it would be incredibly hard to get every detail right, especially with someone like Jaco, given that he was at his most relevant long before the internet. Even the highly simplified Wikipedia article has mistakes.
Nice - this made for an enjoyable morning. Though, I was slightly surprised at no mention that Genesis was a majority shareholder/angel funders of the Varilight systems. Semi-obscure fact, while known to Genesis fans, is only ever casually mentioned by the wider prog world...
Damn... I quoted that from a website without looking further into it... It does make more sense considering it's geographical closeness to the Isle of Wight. Thanks for pointing that out!
Fun fact: Dream Theater released a live album titled Live Scenes from New York in September 11, 2001. Yes, the day it happened. And if you are wondering, the album cover depicted the New York skyline burning in flames
Klaatu Mentioned! I'd like to make a stop here saying that the first album is kind of the Beatles just for the sounds, but the best album, proggy and symphonic, is Hope. It won't leave you with the hands empty. They are one of my favourite bands ever.
Hi Naomi, This is SOOOOO good! I do have a few points regarding your coverage of Mr. Fripp, though ... First, Elton John was apparently hired by E.G. Records, without Robert Fripp's knowledge or consent, to sing on In the Wake of Poseidon. As you point out, though, Fripp put a stop to this plan after hearing Elton's vocal work on Empty Sky. In addition to Fripp, Al Stewart apparently took guitar lessons from Fripp's original guitar teacher, Don Strike. Strike apparently taught both Andy Summers and Greg Lake along the way as well. Trey Gunn, who played in both Sunday All Over the World and King Crimson with Fripp, is an ex-Crafty Guitarist. IIRC, the members of KC's erstwhile opening act the California Guitar Trio are (at least in part) ex-Crafties too.
@@wmpuig Brilliant! Lovely pieces of insight that I did not stumble upon. I think I should add a "corrections/additions" section in the video description, as it seems that there are many tidbits of information that is being unearthed in this comment section haha! Again, thank you!
I'm a bit surprised that you didn't mention one of my favorite "conspiracies" that came from a 90's prog bang from Finland, pretty sure you have heard of it
If fripp knows about the circle jerk sub I feel bad for him lol, also if that is true that means Robert fripp threatened to “bust my kneecaps” with a Les Paul for creating the root meme 😂
Finally, a video which satisfies both my hunger for prog rock and my ADHD-like personality :)) Jokes aside, I'm already hooked from the first minute, great content so far :D
Please could you talk about Arco - Iris (argentina prog-folk) Pescado rabioso (south america) Tantra (portugal) José cid (the disc "1000 depois entre venus e marte) (portugal space - prog) Nektar (prog band from the 70s) These bands are amazing i recomend everyone to listen
@@scottsinner7530 There are quite a few very weird mispronounciations throughout this video, I'm assuming the narrator is not a native englsih speaker so we can forgive, but... Mussogrowsky anyone??
Hey Ryan! Just giving you a heads up that I’ll be touching you come this December. Hope that won’t be any inconvenience ❤️ Sending lots of love and stars ✨
Just let Piero Scaruffi, the king of music critics, sit into Tier 1, for introducing a lot of people into Krautrock, Canterbury Scene, Space Rock / Drone Music / Early Electronic Music. Thanks to him i f***ed up my brain by listening to Irrlicht (Klaus Schulze solo debut album) about 100 times, trying to figure out what was happening there.
You mean the king of musical hot takes (e.g. The Beatles are awful and so on) and undechiprable ratings. But as a curator he's indeed number 1. I found so many artists through his writings on the history of rock, the history of jazz and the history of popular music.
@shacharh5470 if you read carefully that particular article, you notice that he gives credit to Beatles iconic albums (Sgt Pepper, Abbey Road, White Album), but he simply believes that other bands were evolving rock music more deeply (early Pink Floyd, Velvet UG, Jimi Hendrix...). I love critics that use low grades and high grades, because they really try to choose the best in their opinion. Scaruffi gives mediocre rates to a lot of bands I love (Genesis, Queen, Iron Maiden, Rush...)
@@danielecardinali7349 The Beatles are an example. He wrote scathing reviews of many well loved and respected artists. David Bowie for example if I remember right.
@@shacharh5470 He respected Bowie as a showman and performer, but stated that the album he released did not make justice to his genius. However, he highly respected his best albums (Ziggy Stardust, Low, Heroes, Station to Station...)
@@danielecardinali7349 What about his Cardiacs reviews? He hated the masterpiece "Everso Closely Guarded Line" and his review of Guns is so negative you'd think there was nothing worthwhile about it (sure it's not as good as previous albums but it's got lots of great songs on it! To say nonchalantly that Tim Smith had lost his juice, or whatever phrasing he used.. that's so dismissive). I mean, Scaruffi has the right to his opinions but he seems to express them sometimes without any subtlety
21:12 Changing the intro and outro every season is an industry standard in modern anime. Copyright becomes an issue when they have to distribute the shows outside Japan (which is why the Netflix versions of Ergo Proxy , Monster and Evangelion replaced Paranoid Android, David Sylvian's For The Love Of Life, and Fly Me To the Moon respectively with instrumental tracks)
I'm almost halfway through and still no mention of Mike Oldfield (specifically regarding The Exorcist?), please pleaaase let it be there. In any case, this is a FANTASTIC video, I'm loving every bit of information I'm getting here 🌟
@@rbailey1240 Yeah....... I did however try and put less emphasis on it, and hopefully people will read the rant there, because I find this case deplorable.
I'm amazed you cite almost everything of the progressive scene... so I tell you what I love the best; about Pink Floyd, or perhaps I better should say Ron Geesin, Atom Heart Mother, a record hated by most people but not by me - it was the album that introduced me to progressive rock; French Zeuhl, Christian Vander's Magma, awesome; Canterbury scene, Caravan's first album, very lovely, and the following If I could do it all etc,, that I love better than the everywhere celebrated masterpiece In the land of grey and pink; Camel, I love very much the CD edition of A Live Record with Chord Change and other songs from Moonmadness; Colosseum, Valentyne suite and Live; the guitarist I love the best, Allan Holdsworth (Soft Machine's Bundles) and his counterpart Ollie Hallsall, both in the band Tempest; from my country, not only the always cited PFM and Banco, but also Picchio dal Pozzo, Arti e Mestieri, Daedalus; Soft Machine are not only Robert Wyatt as believed by most people, but apart the inarrivableThird I appreciate Fourth, Six and Bundles; when Wyatt quit the band, Soft Machine hired many people who played with Ian Carr's Nucleus - my Nirvana band with Jimi Hendrix Experience - such as John Marshall, Carl Jenkins and Roy Babbington. King Crimson, the first historical album but especially the first trilogy Lark's tongues - Starless and etc. - Red. Gentle Giant, far better than Genesis - their first three albums. Jethro Tull, I love their first record with Mick Abrahams. These are only the bands I've now remember, and I'm sure I've forgotten many many others. Sorry for this mess, but for me finding other people who listen to my same music is very moving.
@@bubbaz7064 The coincidence is quite uncanny here, seeing as I was also introduced to prog through Atom Heart Mother, which still remains my most beloved prog album ever till today. I tell the story of how I found that album in a bit more depth in my "The Art of the Side-Long Suite" video ;) As for the rest of your mentions, I rather like them all! And my personal favourite Soft Machine album is Bundles actually. I will say that I simply never got into Picchio Dal Pozzo though... :/ Otherwise, thank you for this comment! I am glad that you enjoyed the video and its overarching structure!
Loving this video so far! But the "Trout Mask Replica" Math-rock topic actually does hold a little water. Most of the tracks on that album actually have a similar arrangement where, in each section of a song, each of the individual parts, played by each band member, would have its own unique rhythm and time signature. The players would just repeat their individual lines until they all met up together again, at which point they would all move on to the next section, and so on. So there was definitely a lot of math involved in the arrangement of that album, though I don't know enough about actual math-rock to know if any other bands ever use that writing method.
@@sirtoby2070 I see what you're getting at; in that sense, TMR can be seen as this Chaotic-Math-Rock conglomeration. Though soundwise, I'd still have to say that the album to too far detached from any Math-Rock that I am aware of.
I'd argue that Dire straits telegraph road is not a prog song but is closer to a heavier folk song kinda like much of Bob Dylan's catalog, but with a more rock edge.
Good stuff here, but you are killing me with the "alas". "Alas" means "unfortunatetly", or a general term of sadness, regret, or despair. The prog iceberg is, unfortunately, explained! Camel would, sadly, decide to expand on the White Rider concept with Siddhartha, and so on. What you mean is "at last", which means "finally", or a general term for a thing/event that is long expected or hoped for, when it eventually happens. The prog Iceberg is, finally, explained! Camel would, eventually, decide to expand on the White Rider with Siddhartha. And so on.
Hey, this is a really valuable comment. Despite not being a native speaker at all, I do put much effort into my English (and I am actually also an English teacher in training). It is amazing how long one can go with making a mistake that they are oblivious to and no one is keen enough to point out. I had it happen to me recently when a friend enlightened me to the fact that writing 'worth' with a 'u' (wourth) is incorrect. I have no clue when I picked up that habit, but there it is. Thank you for making me aware of this, and I will make sure to be more conscious of it in the future ;))
11:05, wrong. it was a demeaning and hateful term according to all "krautrock" artists. look into the meaning and history of the word "Kraut" and the culture of post-wwii germany. kosmische music is a preferred title.
Cardiacs are not RIO. Neither are Residents. But there are RIO / neo-RIO artists influences by either / both of these bands. So there is some connection.
Yeah no. Mantas (later known as Death) and Possessed both formed in 1983 and released stuff in early 1984. Mr. Bungle didn't release anything until 1986.
I remember when this dude tried to sell a regular copy of Breakfast in America at a ridiculous price claiming it had the "9/11" cover even though every copy of Breakfast has the same cover 💀
I do feel that there is an over-representation of King Crimson, TOOL and the Floyd, so I tried adding tidbits about others like Area, Klaatu, The POPE, etc.
Good for people who know nothing about prog rock, but offers nothing new for those who know about it. BTW, it’s just Dark Side of the Moon. No “The “ at the beginning.
I'm the creator of the iceberg and this is an amazing video thank you for making it!
@@Soft_Machine I, again, thank you so much for it! And now your comment is pinned! 🥶
Thank you for making the iceberg!!! You’re a real cool cat
First time I watch an iceberg video and the creator of the iceberg is in the comments lol😅
nice job on the Iceberg.
There's likely 100's of other anecdotes and such that could be added or included more Icebergs (I think on reddit, I've seen 3 or 4? Progressive Rock Icebergs).
1 that I think would be worth including at some point.
Rivers Cuomo of the band Weezer took guitar lessons from Jim Matheos of Fates Warning, and before he was in Weezer, had his own Prog band of sorts named "Avant Garde."
And actually by that token, throw in the likes of
-Billy Joel was in the Prog band "Atilla" before his solo career.
-Elton John had an auditon for King Crimson
@@AllMediaReviewsPodcast That last one was featured in this video ;))
This video is nearly the length of a prog song
That genuinely made me chuckle ;p
And as complicated too
Hey wow! I did the cover design for that Polygondwanaland Gameboy bootleg. Thanks for the shoutout, we all worked really hard on that! ❤
Oh hey! You did a great job with a ton of attention to detail, which is something that I highly appreciate!
(Also, thanks for making that timelapse, because it really worked well in the video ;P)
@ As an editor i can appreciate you probably had to screen record it and crop it before throwing it in the vid LOL, i really liked your video!
@@bupworldHELL YEAH KING GIZZ FOR LIFE 🤘
Tier 1:
In The Court Of The Crimson King: 0:58
Dark Side Of The Moon: 1:30
Close to the Edge: 2:14
Prog Classic's By Non-Prog Artists: 3:08
Syd Barret: 4:38
Alan Parson's Project As The Chicago Bulls Theme: 6:36
The Dark Side Of Oz: 7:27
The Canterybury Scene: 9:57
Krautrock: 10:50
Italian Prog Rock: 11:53
Tier 2:
The Prog Archives: 13:14
Gentle Giant Sampled In Hip-Hop: 14:05
Miles Davis Electric Peroid: 15:36
Coheed and Cambria is a Concept Band: 16:56
Supertramp 9/11 Theory: 18:04
To Be Continued Meme: 19:24
Klaatu Are The Beatles: 21:54
Prog Artists on David Bowie Albums: 23:50
Dream Threater Metropolis Part 1 is a joke: 24:55
Robert Fripp is aware of /r/KingCrimsonCricleJerk: 26:03
Steven WIlson Remixes: 27:36
Roger Waters Spitting Incident: 28:44
Tier 3:
Can Album Being Delayed Because of Chess: 31:15
Maynar James Keenan's Stage Presence: 32:01
Keith Emerson's Death: 33:34
Porcipine Tree started as a joke: 35:18
Rock In Opposition aka RIO: 36:41
Zeuhl: 38:23
Pink Floyd's Original Band Names: 40:15
Proto-Prog Bands: 41:36
The First Side-Long Epic: 42:46
Scott Walker: 43:45
Canterbury Scene isn't Canterbury Exclusive: 46:14
The Snowgoose is a Soundtrack Album: 47:05
Tier 4:
The Shaggs: 49:24
Jaco Pastorius's Death: 53:04
Robert Wyatts Accident: 55:16
Thick As A Brick Is A Joke: 58:12
Tim Smith's Death: 59:35
The term "Progressive Rock" implies the existence of "Conservative Rock."
The name "King Crimson" implies the existence of the more twisted, evil, "Governor Red"
Haha! Never heard that one before.
Ac/dc are conservative rock pioneers.
or "regressive Rock"?
"if you take the "progressive" sound; keyboards, weird time signatures, yada-yada-yada that' s REGRESSIVE by its very definition..."progressive" means you take the perceived rules, and you disregard them, then you do what your art says you do." -James Bickers
I think that’s probably pop punk or dad rock lol simple af, salt n pepper, boring but hey if it’s all you know it could be worse.
the To Be Continued meme (and JoJo as a whole) is why im a music nerd today. i was very much only listening to video game osts as a kid until the meme turned me on to roundabout, then fragile, then all of yes (that you could get on streaming circa 2016), then pink floyd and more prog rock and over time more things led me to tons of other genres
p.s. the change in music is less copyright related but because every season they swap the music out, usually to stuff relevant to the part that the season covers (walk like an Egyptian for part 3 which in the second half where it's used takes place in egypt)
That's honestly one of the direct facets that got me into prog in the first place.
Same! JoJo is the reason I got into King Crimson and Yes.
Dude, that happened exactly to me as well!
This is the perfect video for someone just getting into prog! So far, my favorite is Mars volta!
It might be overwhelming, but I feel like after this you are basically ready to take the ultimate prog exam :PP
Great video, but the reason Roundabout was replaced is not copyright. Every ending theme for the series is picked by Araki relating to the music he was listening to at the time of writing the original manga
Oh cool! I had no idea ;P
As fate would have it, Roundabout appeared in a JoJo episode ending once again for the final episode of the end of the main storyline (Part 6) to bring everything 'full circle'.
Funly enough, copyright WAS the issue for that ending, tho, because the final chapter called "What a Wonderful World" implied THAT's the true outro for the story's ending. I'd urge any JoJo fan that finished Part 6 to check out the Final Episode Ending Credits edit with the Louis Armstrong song instead of Roundabout, it might make you cry.
welcome back!
ABIGAIL DEVOE SPOTTED IN THE WILD
Whoa, I wonder if Abigail watching all this is research for something? 😃
I'm not huge on prog but this was one of the better iceberg videos I've watched/listened to, its got more emotion and thought put into explaining each part of the tiers, as well as great editing. Awesome video!
@@ppp3093 Wow! Thank you so much! This was indeed a passion project and I didn't wish to conform in any step of the way, and I'm glad that it shows.
Glorious comeback!! Good to see you pop up in my subscription feed again Naomi, you've been missed, and this video is stunning!
Thank you Iain! I had a grand vision for this video and I think that it turned out as well as I wanted it to ;))
2:31:37 CARDIACS
I've wanted a video like this for so long thank you
@@curse_word You are more than welcome!
Great to have you back
Glad to be back!
I would add that Keith Emerson was an anime soundtrack composer.
For which ones?
@jarvis7608 Harmagedon (1983)
@@PersonOfTheInternet280 that’s so cool
Amazing video! Great to see you return!
Thank you!
Just outrageously outstanding video! I thought I knew a lot about prog music but this literally blows me away. Exhaustively researched, well organized, thoughtful, coherent and entertaining! My first visit to the channel and I am subscribed and will be watching more. Amazing work!
@@therockrollsoapbox6075 Oh my! I don't know you yet but I am honoured by your words! Thank you!
@@365DaysofProg I noticed you do lots of collaboration videos. If you're at all interested I'd be happy to do so. It's a bit like a minnow asking to join with a whale but never hurts to ask. Keep up the great work! 😀
@therockrollsoapbox6075 Very nice to discover another proghead on YT!
I ALWAYS love doing collaborations! Wanna contact me on my email? It's in my about page ;))
before even watching... please let Klaatu be on this iceberg, please...
love and peac
@@auxometer I'm not gonna spoil it 🤐
It’s such a nice surprise to see Klaatu anywhere! Easily one of the most underrated bands out there, not to mention the near flawless masterpieces of their first two albums! Sadly everything else they made went downhill fast…
Prog is the greatest music genre with the worst gatekeepers of all time.
I love this video as a prog nerd, thank you so much!!
You are very much welcome!
The fact that the plagiarism was only found AFTER Wetton had gone to see the movie himself personally is just really funny to me.
This video is absolutely fantastic, thank you so much for this
@@SilverStar555 My pleasure!
"The Dark Side of Oz" was known way before the 90's. I grew up in the 80's and we knew about it. It was like one of the first things anyone was talking about in groups of people who "partook" of substances, or at record conventions. When VHS came out, you would see it at them.
@@EHiggins VERY interesting! I found no mention of it being around in the 80', which makes it even more intriguing 🤔
Would have included The Mars Volta's cursed album(s)
It's a whole rabbit hole but their album Bedlam In Goliath was based from experiences they had with interacting with potentially cursed objects they found in The Levant
I can't believe that I forgot putting that one in!
(Although I also have a video in the works SPECIFICALLY about this story)
One thing to take note, I think the entry for L. Ron Hubbard's fusion album refers to Power of Source by Apollo Stars, which was recorded by L. Ron and the titular group on his boat in 1974 while he was dodging the law. The album itself is decent enough, all of the members had jazz experience, but it sounds like trash because L. Ron insisted on producing despite having no clue how to do so. That being said, scientology does have some presence in fusion history, as before its infiltration into Hollywood many of its early celebrity adherents were musicians, especially Chick Corea, whose (otherwise very good) album The Romantic Warrior is dedicated to Hubbard.
@@SynGirl32 Oh wow! I will look into that other album, perhaps I got it wrong. Space Jazz (despite its name) does not quite sound "fusion" to me, so that might be the source of the distinction.
And add for The Romantic Warrior being dedicated to Hubbard - that just feels WEIRD... Gonna look into that as well ;))
> NO "A MATANÇA DO PORCO" FROM SOM IMAGINÁRIO
> NO "A E O Z" ALBUM FROM 'OS MUTANTES'
> NO 'AMANHECER TOTAL' FROM 'O TERÇO' 2ND ALBUM
> NO 'BACAMARTE'
C'mon, guys
Irmão, o cara é GRINGO, e esses álbuns nem são tão conhecidos fora do Brasil
e até é melhor não ter, pq tirando o disco do Bacamarte, esses discos são mais MPB e rockinho do que PROG, ou seja, uma merda
pqp que frescura
@@DEAKY0921Cara, a Matança do Porco e o A e o Z não são prog? E a minha crítica é justamente pertinente, a maioria dos gringos é completamente ignorante quanto a discos absurdos que não são europeus / norte americanos.
Agora você dizer que só o Bacamarte que é prog é de doer mesmo, mas tem maluco pra tudo
@@DEAKY0921 btw, pelo conteúdo do teu canal da pra entender porque tu considera essas obras como 'merda'. Espero que daqui dez anos você tenha obtido alguma mudança mesmo que mínima de percepção.
The SuperTramp one is the dumbest conspiracy theory I’ve ever heard 😂
Hi Naomi, this is a great work, long enough maybe for 10 different episodes. And the Supertramp-11/09 connection is really scary!
@@jordiplanas631 Yeah! I really wanted to not compromise and release this as one large unit.
And Supertramp just knew what we were too blind to see...
One of my favorite things about videos like these, as a pretty casual fan of prog rock, is when a band or artist is referenced that had a prolific career and is basically one of the legends of the genre and I have *never* heard of them.
Also that Sherman Helmsley story... A genuine die-hard fan, apparently. 😆
@@ctsamurai Haha! Any examples? 🤔😅
Really happy to see that you're back, was a bit worried. Anyways great video and love from The Netherlands!
wow, very cool Naomi! I've only checked out the 1st 10 minutes, but this quite extensive research and editing.
Of course many know The Dark Side of the Moon sync with The Wizard of Oz ..but I don't see it on there, these 2 other syncs I feel could also be included
2112 with Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory
The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway with Dark City
Oh my! I've never heard of those matches. I think I know what I'm doing tonight lol.
(And I assume that you are referring to the original Charlie in the Chocolate Factory, right?)
@365DaysofProg the original "charlie and the chocolate factory" film with Gene Wilder in 1971 was called Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, unlike the book and later film adaptations. Regardless, I never heard of this particular one before! Definitely checking it out!
For anyone else on this trip check out A Wild Hare by Spastic Ink. Not a coincidence but the music is directly taken from Bambi, Thumper's lines and the score interpreted into prog rock/metal
@@365DaysofProg yeah "Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory" from 1971?
Not the Johnny Depp "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" from 2005?
1 example is when the song "Tears" comes on, Charlie's mother is crying.
@AllMediaReviewsPodcast Danm!
Oh my!!!!!!!❤❤❤
Oh the moment I saw this on my recommended list and I knew I needed to watch it
Great video! I would like to make a couple of corrections about the Jaco Pastorius segment at 53:05, though.
• The album artwork at 53:39 is for Paul Bley's untitled 1976 album, dubbed "Jaco" by fans, not Jaco's own debut album.
• Jaco began abusing drugs sometime in 1977 or 1978, though the situation worsened significantly in the '80s.
• Even though Jaco wasn't happy with the direction Weather Report was taking, the real reason he was forced out was due to scheduling conflicts. The group had planned to take the year off, but the record label forced them to go on tour, by which time Jaco had already booked the Word of Mouth tour. I don't have any statistics, but it seems the claim that the tour performed poorly is untrue. Jaco played to huge audiences, and the Aurex Jazz Festival shows even spawned three live albums: Twins I and Twins II (1982), and Invitation (1983).
• His death was caused by a bouncer beating him up after his aggressive behavior, not simply from trying to enter the club.
@@JacoPastoriusArchive Thank you for this insightful comment! And please excuse my mistakes or inaccuracies. And I also feel that the cause of death explanation part is on me; I should have phrased that part better, seeing is painted a somewhat inaccurate picture of the events...
@@365DaysofProg It's okay! I can't imagine how much work you put into researching, writing, and editing this video-it would be incredibly hard to get every detail right, especially with someone like Jaco, given that he was at his most relevant long before the internet. Even the highly simplified Wikipedia article has mistakes.
Nice - this made for an enjoyable morning. Though, I was slightly surprised at no mention that Genesis was a majority shareholder/angel funders of the Varilight systems. Semi-obscure fact, while known to Genesis fans, is only ever casually mentioned by the wider prog world...
The first side long prog epic was Yuo Doo Right (1969), by CAN
1:11:40 Plymouth is not on the outskirts of London, it is over 200 miles away.
Damn... I quoted that from a website without looking further into it...
It does make more sense considering it's geographical closeness to the Isle of Wight.
Thanks for pointing that out!
Fun fact: Dream Theater released a live album titled Live Scenes from New York in September 11, 2001. Yes, the day it happened. And if you are wondering, the album cover depicted the New York skyline burning in flames
@@waltuh_blanco87104 oh. O.o
Magnification by YES was also released, in The USA, on 9/11/2001.
Jaco Pastorius may well have tried to kick a door in, to get back in, but it was his subsequent being beaten up by a bouncer
that lead to his death.
1:14:05 if you sink up lost keys and faap de oiad it transitions perfectly into rosetta stoned
Klaatu Mentioned!
I'd like to make a stop here saying that the first album is kind of the Beatles just for the sounds, but the best album, proggy and symphonic, is Hope. It won't leave you with the hands empty. They are one of my favourite bands ever.
@@johannsebastianb4ss I currently own one Klaatu album and it's Hope. It is simply their best and proggiest!
And Pink Floyd deny that they are space rock! Literally the soundtrack to space in 1969.
The Larks plagiarism case is definitely the funniest prog story ever.
Hi Naomi,
This is SOOOOO good! I do have a few points regarding your coverage of Mr. Fripp, though ...
First, Elton John was apparently hired by E.G. Records, without Robert Fripp's knowledge or consent, to sing on In the Wake of Poseidon. As you point out, though, Fripp put a stop to this plan after hearing Elton's vocal work on Empty Sky.
In addition to Fripp, Al Stewart apparently took guitar lessons from Fripp's original guitar teacher, Don Strike. Strike apparently taught both Andy Summers and Greg Lake along the way as well.
Trey Gunn, who played in both Sunday All Over the World and King Crimson with Fripp, is an ex-Crafty Guitarist. IIRC, the members of KC's erstwhile opening act the California Guitar Trio are (at least in part) ex-Crafties too.
@@wmpuig Brilliant! Lovely pieces of insight that I did not stumble upon.
I think I should add a "corrections/additions" section in the video description, as it seems that there are many tidbits of information that is being unearthed in this comment section haha!
Again, thank you!
27:22
Why some people think Robert fired Greg: he wasn’t good enough
Why Greg was actually fired: he was beating Robert Fripp to much at beer pong
This is canon.
flood shown during the post-rock discussion, we love to see it
1:11:22 another madvillainy sample
People were talking about the Dark Side of Oz in the 80’s. You start the record on the third roar of the lion on the vhs tape.
I'm a bit surprised that you didn't mention one of my favorite "conspiracies" that came from a 90's prog bang from Finland, pretty sure you have heard of it
@@LuisCastillo-vm3hn hmmm 👀
Real thing that makes this a prog vid is the fact that that it's 2h 40m long
A nine-part-epic-video-suite
Missed the chance to say "Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends" in the intro.
@@dart157 I look at it more as dodging a bullet ;p
But I was actually contemplating making that quote into an entry on the iceberg.
If fripp knows about the circle jerk sub I feel bad for him lol, also if that is true that means Robert fripp threatened to “bust my kneecaps” with a Les Paul for creating the root meme 😂
Finally, a video which satisfies both my hunger for prog rock and my ADHD-like personality :))
Jokes aside, I'm already hooked from the first minute, great content so far :D
Happy to deliver!
I really felt that UA-cam was missing a "Prog Iceberg" video for a while now ;P
1:39:16 I love both Yes and Ramones, as everyone should
@@rporta The perfect balance
Thanks Naomi, fantastic video, even if i just only watched half of it, I`ll be back ;)
Happy that you liked it Z eb! Hope to make more like it in the future ;)
As someone who literally knew nothing about prog rock this video is actually good. This just makes me wanna to explore more music genres
@@juhtsuki Lovely! Enjoy your exploration!
I'm not a prog head I'm more of a metal head, but I have to give praise to this work! Well done! A very insightful dive into the prog world! Cheers!
@@Phillisteum Cheers, my friend!
Please could you talk about Arco - Iris (argentina prog-folk)
Pescado rabioso (south america)
Tantra (portugal)
José cid (the disc "1000 depois entre venus e marte) (portugal space - prog)
Nektar (prog band from the 70s)
These bands are amazing
i recomend everyone to listen
Gustavo Santaolalla (the last of us soundtrack composer) played in Arco - Iris when he was younger
ua-cam.com/video/8Djla6atA8g/v-deo.htmlsi=d-Ek454HrMv91gvr
Link to an Arco - Iris song
NAOMI IS BACK YESSSS
English people pronounciation of Italian is always funny to me hahaha
That’s funny, because the opposite is hilarious.
@@scottsinner7530 There are quite a few very weird mispronounciations throughout this video, I'm assuming the narrator is not a native englsih speaker so we can forgive, but... Mussogrowsky anyone??
Uff! Over 160min.. Let‘s go! 😃
new iceberg video, oh cool!
ITS ON PROG??? EVEN BETTER!!
Hey Ryan! Just giving you a heads up that I’ll be touching you come this December. Hope that won’t be any inconvenience ❤️ Sending lots of love and stars ✨
Excellent video
Thank you!
1:10:02 !!!😮
Just let Piero Scaruffi, the king of music critics, sit into Tier 1, for introducing a lot of people into Krautrock, Canterbury Scene, Space Rock / Drone Music / Early Electronic Music.
Thanks to him i f***ed up my brain by listening to Irrlicht (Klaus Schulze solo debut album) about 100 times, trying to figure out what was happening there.
You mean the king of musical hot takes (e.g. The Beatles are awful and so on) and undechiprable ratings.
But as a curator he's indeed number 1. I found so many artists through his writings on the history of rock, the history of jazz and the history of popular music.
@shacharh5470 if you read carefully that particular article, you notice that he gives credit to Beatles iconic albums (Sgt Pepper, Abbey Road, White Album), but he simply believes that other bands were evolving rock music more deeply (early Pink Floyd, Velvet UG, Jimi Hendrix...).
I love critics that use low grades and high grades, because they really try to choose the best in their opinion. Scaruffi gives mediocre rates to a lot of bands I love (Genesis, Queen, Iron Maiden, Rush...)
@@danielecardinali7349 The Beatles are an example. He wrote scathing reviews of many well loved and respected artists. David Bowie for example if I remember right.
@@shacharh5470 He respected Bowie as a showman and performer, but stated that the album he released did not make justice to his genius. However, he highly respected his best albums (Ziggy Stardust, Low, Heroes, Station to Station...)
@@danielecardinali7349 What about his Cardiacs reviews?
He hated the masterpiece "Everso Closely Guarded Line" and his review of Guns is so negative you'd think there was nothing worthwhile about it (sure it's not as good as previous albums but it's got lots of great songs on it! To say nonchalantly that Tim Smith had lost his juice, or whatever phrasing he used.. that's so dismissive).
I mean, Scaruffi has the right to his opinions but he seems to express them sometimes without any subtlety
3:40 You could've put Coldplay's Coloratura.
21:12 Changing the intro and outro every season is an industry standard in modern anime. Copyright becomes an issue when they have to distribute the shows outside Japan (which is why the Netflix versions of Ergo Proxy , Monster and Evangelion replaced Paranoid Android, David Sylvian's For The Love Of Life, and Fly Me To the Moon respectively with instrumental tracks)
I'm almost halfway through and still no mention of Mike Oldfield (specifically regarding The Exorcist?), please pleaaase let it be there. In any case, this is a FANTASTIC video, I'm loving every bit of information I'm getting here 🌟
@@arielmyfriend Oooo! That's a missed opportunity right there! Can't believe I didn't think to include it.
Charade I am...
This video is a gold mine
Now i know about more prog rock bands and stuff, im gonna check it out
Thank u :3
(Robert fripp my beloved
I am so happy that you like it! You are more than welcome!
I appreciate the Kevin Gilbert reference. I just wish it was for something else.
@@rbailey1240 Yeah....... I did however try and put less emphasis on it, and hopefully people will read the rant there, because I find this case deplorable.
Omg yes this is badly needed
43:53 I AM MODERN SCOTT WALKER
I'm an incredibly smooth talker.
@@KamenSentaiMetalHero and I’m invincible in these sunglasses
@@zugnam And I'm ignorant now with all I have learnt! (x2)
@@KamenSentaiMetalHero I’m more than adequate
@zugnam Leave Kanye out of this!
I'm amazed you cite almost everything of the progressive scene... so I tell you what I love the best; about Pink Floyd, or perhaps I better should say Ron Geesin, Atom Heart Mother, a record hated by most people but not by me - it was the album that introduced me to progressive rock; French Zeuhl, Christian Vander's Magma, awesome; Canterbury scene, Caravan's first album, very lovely, and the following If I could do it all etc,, that I love better than the everywhere celebrated masterpiece In the land of grey and pink; Camel, I love very much the CD edition of A Live Record with Chord Change and other songs from Moonmadness; Colosseum, Valentyne suite and Live; the guitarist I love the best, Allan Holdsworth (Soft Machine's Bundles) and his counterpart Ollie Hallsall, both in the band Tempest; from my country, not only the always cited PFM and Banco, but also Picchio dal Pozzo, Arti e Mestieri, Daedalus; Soft Machine are not only Robert Wyatt as believed by most people, but apart the inarrivableThird I appreciate Fourth, Six and Bundles; when Wyatt quit the band, Soft Machine hired many people who played with Ian Carr's Nucleus - my Nirvana band with Jimi Hendrix Experience - such as John Marshall, Carl Jenkins and Roy Babbington. King Crimson, the first historical album but especially the first trilogy Lark's tongues - Starless and etc. - Red. Gentle Giant, far better than Genesis - their first three albums. Jethro Tull, I love their first record with Mick Abrahams. These are only the bands I've now remember, and I'm sure I've forgotten many many others. Sorry for this mess, but for me finding other people who listen to my same music is very moving.
@@bubbaz7064 The coincidence is quite uncanny here, seeing as I was also introduced to prog through Atom Heart Mother, which still remains my most beloved prog album ever till today. I tell the story of how I found that album in a bit more depth in my "The Art of the Side-Long Suite" video ;)
As for the rest of your mentions, I rather like them all! And my personal favourite Soft Machine album is Bundles actually. I will say that I simply never got into Picchio Dal Pozzo though... :/
Otherwise, thank you for this comment! I am glad that you enjoyed the video and its overarching structure!
Loving this video so far!
But the "Trout Mask Replica" Math-rock topic actually does hold a little water. Most of the tracks on that album actually have a similar arrangement where, in each section of a song, each of the individual parts, played by each band member, would have its own unique rhythm and time signature. The players would just repeat their individual lines until they all met up together again, at which point they would all move on to the next section, and so on. So there was definitely a lot of math involved in the arrangement of that album, though I don't know enough about actual math-rock to know if any other bands ever use that writing method.
@@sirtoby2070 I see what you're getting at; in that sense, TMR can be seen as this Chaotic-Math-Rock conglomeration. Though soundwise, I'd still have to say that the album to too far detached from any Math-Rock that I am aware of.
That thick as a brick 🧱 was satirical should have appeared sooner/higher. It's quite well known.
oh my god i've seen the whole video, rawdogged it. no eating, no drinking water, no bathroom, just 100% pure prog anecdotes and conspiracy theories...
@@patrishiou Are you intact? O.o
I'd argue that Dire straits telegraph road is not a prog song but is closer to a heavier folk song kinda like much of Bob Dylan's catalog, but with a more rock edge.
Same with SFAIR, but I can see the others being prog
2:35 'Eponymous' means 'named after a person'. I think you mean 'titular'.
@@JorWat25 Oh wow! You are correct! I can't believe I haven't known about this until now...
Good stuff here, but you are killing me with the "alas".
"Alas" means "unfortunatetly", or a general term of sadness, regret, or despair.
The prog iceberg is, unfortunately, explained!
Camel would, sadly, decide to expand on the White Rider concept with Siddhartha, and so on.
What you mean is "at last", which means "finally", or a general term for a thing/event that is long expected or hoped for, when it eventually happens.
The prog Iceberg is, finally, explained!
Camel would, eventually, decide to expand on the White Rider with Siddhartha. And so on.
Hey, this is a really valuable comment.
Despite not being a native speaker at all, I do put much effort into my English (and I am actually also an English teacher in training). It is amazing how long one can go with making a mistake that they are oblivious to and no one is keen enough to point out. I had it happen to me recently when a friend enlightened me to the fact that writing 'worth' with a 'u' (wourth) is incorrect. I have no clue when I picked up that habit, but there it is.
Thank you for making me aware of this, and I will make sure to be more conscious of it in the future ;))
I had no idea Mr Jefferson was such a prog fan
@@chrisgrow It was indeed a shock to me as well haha!
What if Jethro Tull had KSI in their line up and released Thick as a Brick as Thick of It
@@BluMndy According to the Infinte Universes theory, there is a reality where that is the case.
Someone cooked here
Could you (or the composer) release the background music for the iceberg video separately, I really like it and I would like to listen to it!
@@artemiykopych I'll ask the composer for their approval ;))
11:05, wrong. it was a demeaning and hateful term according to all "krautrock" artists. look into the meaning and history of the word "Kraut" and the culture of post-wwii germany. kosmische music is a preferred title.
That makes sense. Damo was too busy playing chess to learn how to sing.
@@tomthorsett1433 Haha!
Small correction, Naomi - Tony Stratton-Smith was Keith Emerson's manager, not Greg Lake's.
Aww thank you! My brain was melting when I wrote that part for sure haha ;_)
WOW
A gargantuan effort and Worthy Of Laudation!
Cardiacs are not RIO. Neither are Residents. But there are RIO / neo-RIO artists influences by either / both of these bands. So there is some connection.
Isn't Veteran's Day Poppy proto math rock?
no way steven hackett and robert fripp fought over cheese
You should review the album third by soft machine.
Great … recall that Gilmour himself hated to be labeled “prog rock”, a club he did the wanted to belong in.
Pink Floyd is not progressive rock.
@@mcganahanskjellyfetti7722is*
Pink Floyd is art rock at best
@@mcganahanskjellyfetti7722 did u saw the video?
@@cinemaspire7258 did u saw the video?
Yeah no. Mantas (later known as Death) and Possessed both formed in 1983 and released stuff in early 1984. Mr. Bungle didn't release anything until 1986.
Saying "Close to the Edge" has a barren & simplistic cover shows that you haven't looked at it properly! :-)
great fucking video dude
What a surprise, the world is not so bad after all!
I guess it isn't
I remember when this dude tried to sell a regular copy of Breakfast in America at a ridiculous price claiming it had the "9/11" cover even though every copy of Breakfast has the same cover 💀
@@rec7614 "People are strange"
This is a good video but it feels like this is just a combination of multiple different icebergs of different bands put together.
I do feel that there is an over-representation of King Crimson, TOOL and the Floyd, so I tried adding tidbits about others like Area, Klaatu, The POPE, etc.
Good for people who know nothing about prog rock, but offers nothing new for those who know about it. BTW, it’s just Dark Side of the Moon. No “The “ at the beginning.
Didn´t the audience member Roger Waters spat on during the 1977 In the Flesh tour additionally try to climb up onto the front of the stage?
While I haven't read or heard of any source stating that, I can see how that could have been the case.
DAVID BOWIE STATION TO STATION