The Starmer landslide | spiked podcast
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- Tom Slater is joined by Inaya Folarin Iman and Ella Whelan for a spiked podcast election special. They discuss Labour’s strangely hollow victory, the Reform revolt, the poison of Islamic sectarianism and where it all went wrong for the Tories and the SNP.
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Starmer got less votes than Jeremy Corbyn in 2019. Starmer gained no support, Rishi and the SNP lost support.
It is crazy that corbyn got more votes
@@larrygerry985 Just look back to the 2017 election Corbyn got 12,877,918 votes with a 40% share of all votes. This election Starmer received 9,712,011 votes with a 33.8% share of the votes. Corbyn got people out to vote for him.
Doesn't matter. Because of your batshit electoral system, he is now an elected dictator. Doesn't matter how many votes he got or didn't get.
Starmer lost support in his seat.
* Fewer
"No one will really understand politics until they understand that politicians are not trying to solve our problems. They are trying to solve their own problems - of which getting elected and re-elected are number one and number two. Whatever is number three is far behind."
"The fact that so many successful politicians are such shameless liars is not only a reflection on them, it is also a reflection on us. When the people want the impossible, only liars can satisfy."
Thomas Sowell
"Your average person has a limited understanding of economics and social policy." - Capt. Obvious
Stupid voters love handsome liars. Most voters are stupid
I'm struck by the last part of that quote about the Liars. It's telling that in the 70s, Margaret Thatcher won big, from the economic strike ridden shambles that was Britain, but leveled with the British people, to paraphrase, medicine tastes bad, you don't like taking it, but you have to take it before you can get better, so the British economy. But then she had conviction and integrity, big difference.
Reform UK have five seats now!
Ooooh 😆 how come?
@@charliekane135 Late result from Essex.
@@andrewhotston983 🥳
@@andrewhotston983what a nightmare that count in Essex must have been. I worked counting votes in the Chelsea & Fulham constituency. It took 10 hours overnight because there was only 152 votes difference between the Conservative and Labour so the votes for every ballot box had to be double checked. We couldn’t leave before it was called.
I hope the counters in Essex were allowed to go home and rest and return for the recount.
James McMurdock!
People think there was excitement for Blair.
In 97 the turnout was 61%,and in 2001 it dropped to 59%.
People aren't excited by Labour.
Turnout in 97 was 71%, 2024 turnout 59.9%, which is just sad.
Turnout of ~60%, of which Labour won ~33% . . . . which means 80% of the electorate _didn't_ vote for Labour . . . or to put it another way, Labour won over roughly 20% of the electorate, like you say people aren't overly excited by Labour.
In 1997 the turnout was 71.4%.
sorry but I disagree. My household stayed up to watch the result and celebrated throughout the night. My memory is that the country was jubilant.
@@ktwashere5637 in which case you are part of what has gone wrong with the country, and in total have contributed nothing
The Labour victory is so shallow.
And so is Starmer.
Boo hoo hoo cry me a river
The only thing I've discovered is that I'm surrounded by idiots. If there's a war, I will NOT fight for this country. I'm not represented and I'm actively discriminated against.
The only thing I've discovered is that I'm surrounded by idiots. If there's a war, I will NOT fight for this country. I'm not represented and I'm actively discriminated against.
@@hamiltonmackenzie3340 Seeing the left enjoying themselves, they can be the ones going to war to fight that evil Russia. I'm unrepresented in this country.
It's fair to say that this defeat is a punishment for the Tories. Victory will be a punishment for Labour
I think that is a pretty astute observation
And a punishment for us...
@@Lamarche62 Very much so. Open borders means the housing crisis will never end, and the politics of envy mean that punitive taxation will engulf everyone above the level of being on benefits. Aspiration now counts for nothing.
Keir Starmer is the NPC meme with hair.
James Dreyfus called him a "waxwork" 😂
Remember people. Kier Starmer has been PM for less than 5 hours. And in 30mins, it will turn 6pm on a Friday. He is taking what will be the first of many strikes
The stupidity is breathtaking
Keir
The only thing I've discovered is that I'm surrounded by idiots. If there's a war, I will NOT fight for this country. I'm not represented and I'm actively discriminated against.
A muslim party is trying to get up and running in Australia🤮
We should cynically support it. Australians are so blind to the things that are happening. But a muslim party straight up saying "We want sharia law" is hard to ignore. Things will have to get worse before they get better.
An attempt was made in the UK too to kick start an Islamic party. I guess they're awaiting approval.
This is why Islam should not be treated the same as other religions - it's incapable of not trying to impose itself by force on everyone else.
@@SoteksChunkyProphet-dg7iowe already have four islamists elected to UK Parliament.
@@action1976because you oppose genocide you are an Islamist 🤦
We've given a huge amount of power to a bunch of maniacs.
So no change then?
Starmer is a joke, but have no doubt he is the greatest threat to our country and our people for over 80 years
Here come the boats! Get ready MF'ers!
@@mf_rat Last lot were mostly just useless. This new lot are useless and insane.
Sounds exactly like the last 14 years
Should we start a pool on how long this government lasts?
It will last for five years at least, because they can blame the Tories for ages, because they were so utterly hopeless.
Looking forward to a winter of discontent?
I think that within 12-18 months, the hard left of the party will topple Starmer. Rayner will take over, there will be huge amounts of bickering and infighting, then the government will collapse and a snap election will be called. Then Reform can pick up the pieces.
@@BigBenn2014unlikely to happen, the unions are in labour's pocket.
Five awful years by which time Britain will be dead culturally with no identity thanks to the W€F and their plants
Forty million adults in the UK. Nine million voted Labour,
and it's a landslide win of unprecedented, near biblical proportions?
A) Labour voting turnout yesterday : nine million people.
B) Jeremy Corbyn turnout 2017 : twelve million, eight hundred thousand.
Lowest turnout in twenty years...
Maybe one day... UK politics will be a true mirror of the nation.
Everyone will turn out and vote... because they actually care about their future.
Elections are a reflection of the people. Most of them are stupid and lazy. The women want a socialist state to take care of them. Feminine men want a socialist state to take care of them. Real men want a smaller state to leave them alone.
There are very few real men in the west.
All the people who didn't vote would have voted for them if they had voted. Sounds ridiculous, right? No more ridiculous than adding them to the denominator to distort the figures and imply they voted against.
If you don't vote, you don't count. End of.
Let’s get it right, forty million idiots in Britain and nine million with a brain, maybe that’s why we can’t produce our own car or electricity, never thought of that? Thanks.👍🙈
I'm glad Spiked has raised the issue of tribal/religious voting blocks. It's the elephant in the room.
You won’t see it reported on BBC or Sky, that’s for sure.
The Muslim vote in every democratic country follows the same pattern - religion over country. Loyalty to religion supercedes national identity. If you criticise its Islamaphobia...
I like to see the best in people, but it seems so unfathomably stupid not to realise that the only likely outcome of 'grievance' ideology would be increased sectarianism that I start to wonder about my fellow citizens.
Buckle up folks, we are going to be in for a rough, rough ride over the next few years. Reform deserved more than 5 seats for their 14% vote share, contrast that with the LibDems 71 seats from a 13% vote share. Nigel Farage did a great interview on Jordan Peterson's UA-cam channel on the eve of the election. Very articulate and was speaking without any notes.
I can't wait for Faage to make his Maiden speech in Parliament.
I expect it to be based on the one he gave in the Faux Parliament in Brussels.
A new centre-right which is true Conservativism, not the Rishi washy one that the British people so severely and justly kicked in the bollocks.
TUV got one here in NI. They have a pact with reform. DUP got 4. Candidates personally endorsed by Farage. Tally will be 10 seats if you include these.
Tories only getting about 6M votes and Reform getting 4M means Tories have to stop pandering to left-wingers who will NEVER vote for them and start listening to the concerns of actual conservative voters.
second in 98 seats
The most cynical general election I can remember. Completely undeserved victory by Starmer. While I'm angry with the Tories for causing people to elect him, I'm also very worried about the damage this socialist regime is about to unleash on us. They have no intention of leaving with a majority this size and undoubtedly about to give the vote to 16 year-olds.
This will probably go down like a lead balloon here but I think Starmer actually needs more support at this point. It's easier for him to cave to the demands of leftists now that he is in power. His opinion might change like our weather, but despite the reasons he has genuinely been trying to clear up the Corbyn mess and many of the leftists were angry enough to elect the Greens. If he can be consistent for some time, then the likes of Cooper, Reeves, Streeting, and even Lammy won't be too radical. It's the pressure the leftists put on him that we have to worry about now.
Socialist regime 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 wipe your mouth son you are talking shit.
@@Woodzta I doubt many of the green party voters are necessarily Labour. My guess is the overwhelming number of them will be young, middle class and educated beyond their intelligence. When they get a mortgagae they will probably change their vote.
Labour needed 25000 votes to get one MP yet Reform needed 1 million . This is democracy?
It's corrupt. Worse than any tinpot third world democracy.
God help Great Britain
Are you referring to Allah these days in the UK?
@@johnlesoudeur3653 Not long, John, before it's fucking compulsory.
@@johnlesoudeur3653 defo not 🤔
Reform 14% of the votes 1% of the seats, how is that democratic 😐
Nope
They have five seats too many.
The only thing I've discovered is that I'm surrounded by idiots. If there's a war, I will NOT fight for this country. I'm not represented and I'm actively discriminated against.
@@zondike1" ooh Russia bad". To hope they don't come for you 😂😂😂😂
I have, up to now considered that, despite its flaws 'first past the post' is a viable way to elect a govt. But with this election there is really no longer a case for it. I recant now and a more viable system has to be considered.
What's clear is that the goal from the main two parties is about power and their agenda. I genuinely don't believe these people, whether Tory or Labour actually care about the electorate and what they think. And that should concern all of us.
Whatever your politics, this seems like the most thoughtful summation of the election that I’ve seen - the main stream media are so blinkered by their own doctrine, there is no attempt to understand how the populous is thinking.
Labour might not even last a full term. N
It’ll all be over by Christmas… 🙄
A lot of Labour MPs are letting this go to their head. The electorate ultimately chose to unelect the Tories by any means necessary and even Starmer himself is trying to be humble and proactive with the results. Bragging to our face about how good you are without delivering will see you follow the same fate the Tories just did.
Starmer is a Davos puppet. He represents an unelected body that wants to depopulate the world so they can have it for themselves while saying he is a public servant. His cynicism is incredible.
Are u loopy?
As a percentage of the population, Labour only had 22.5% of the votes (37.5% of votes cast). 40% of people didn't even turn up to vote.
This wasn't a get labour in movement, it was a get the tories out movement. Labour were just the right time right place kinda situation.
35% of the vote.
Exactly.
Because Conservative were so grossly inadequate, suddenly a party that has failed historically over and over looked like a juicy option for the 🐏🐑🐏🐑
There's a strong possibility that all the disaffected constituents who didnt bother to vote will soon be regretting their inaction.
@@CriticalLinker yes we've got them to thank for being lumbered with Liebour as well
Just imagine Diane Abbott as chancellor 😂
She can't even select two matching shoes 😆😆😆😆
Just imagine Lammie as foreign secretary.
Watch the Dole Queues getting longer in a few months time
And massive overcrowding in schools. Initially it’ll just be a small influx of pupils from private schools whose parents who can’t pay the higher fees. However, with many pupils leaving the system some private schools will then close and Labour will not only loose some of the manic money from VAT on school fees, which it’s relying on to fund education, but it’ll have 100,000s more children to educate in the State system. It’ll be a total mess.
NB I don’t have kids so have no skin in this game, but I can see how this little magic money tree will start to dry up and trigger greater problems.
aye, all those extra boats leaving france.
People are at breaking point, no matter how hard we work we can't afford to keep a roof over our heads, our teeth are falling out, trying to even see a doctor is pointless, we know we will be cold this winter. If this isn't fixed pretty quick people will go beserk.
Which makes it all the more surprising so many people couldn't be arsed to vote. Even a protest vote would have helped.
@@CriticalLinker I think people considered that not voting was a protest in it's self.
@@hilaryswan4323 If that's so, it's the weakest protest possible.
Acknowledge the mistakes of the Tories but please let’s not goss over the Pandemic .
What pandemic??!!
What Pandemic
Adding a trillion to the national debt derailed any plans they had in 2019. The energy crisis was another external shock that also cost a fortune. The same problems that Western Europe and the US and beyond that has destabilized governments. Uncontrolled mass immigration was indefensible for a Conservative party though and for the last couple of years, they have looked like they didn't want to be in government anymore.
@@andrewhotston983the pandemic that killed THREE MILLION people globally.
You got amnesia or just conveniently in denial?
No I don't like the Tories
Indeed every encumbent government who locked us down is being kicked out because of the financial consequences of it.
Jess Philips asking the men "Oh you just don't like a woman standing up for herself." shows SUCH a blatant avoidance of the issue cause you know what Jess?
That is correct! They view you as a second class citizen and far far worse, which you allowed to happen!
I'd say encouraged rather than allowed.
Labour has courted the Muslim vote for years, didn't matter what any of them did or said, long as the tick goes in the right box. Most obvious example, promoting postal voting and objecting to producing ID at the the poll booth.
"Strong wahman"
Was this covered in the guardian? Doubt it.
All elected parties need to understand that government like policing requires consent . Why ignore the reality of massive dissent
65% of the British electorate do not consent to the election of Labour.
The silent majority pulled support for tories
Rishi didn't even try to appeal to them. He didn't lead an election campaign to become PM, he just has no idea what to say to remain PM. He's a technocrat, he has no political vision, he got parachuted in because Truss rocked the boat.
@@Treblaineit’s baffling as to why he called the election right now with only half baked policies and moths earlier than necessary.
Perhaps he just could t be bothered anymore.
@@sookibeulah9331so he's in time for his kids to start the new school year in California.
@@zoeen5650 ahh yes…..
@@Treblainehe WANTED the job,tho. 11:07
Someone in the new parliament should stand up at the beginning of every day and remind Starmer that 2/3, the vast majority, of the voting public did not want Labour
Starmergeddon incoming.
Why so dismissive of Lee Anderson?
Nothing wrong with him, he wants us to take this country back and thats viewed as racist.
Because he's a working class man who speaks a bit too coarsely for Ella's bourgeois tastes. Lee is an ex miner wheras I doubt Ella has ever done a real day's work in her life.
@@crulove I suspect you're right.
lets not pretend that this was a victory for Labour. This was the Tories losing. Nobody is celebrating this.
Try carnivore diet, saves having to drink green slop.
Welcome analysis but from an Edinburgh perspective the SNP have continued to bang on endlessly about independence, especially after they rejected Kate Forbes's gradualism by the narrowest of margins. That has contributed to Labour's resurgence as the fantasy politics of Indyref 2 struck a less and less harmonious chord with the Scottish electorate.
Let's be honest - they've also done a terrible job of running the country. Having their leader and treasurer arrested isn't a good look either. Finally, the SNP never wanted independence. They just wanted to leave an historic union where they enjoy a disproportionate voice for a union where they would have had no voice. English haters in essence.
Love the way everyone ignores the Libdems!
who?
Maintained the same level of support as 2019 but got 50 more seats for the same reason Labour did,
oh don't you mean yellow labour.
@@kenricnarbrough8191😂😂
Starmer's reference to a 'peaceful transition' was his left-wing dig at Donald Trump 🙄
I remember 2016 it was not peaceful
@@tetraquark2402yes it was. Obama was incredibly gracious in defeat.
@@BenHall289 No, it wasn't. There were aggressive and in some cases violent protests with politicians like Maxine Waters egging them on, saying people should get in the faces of Trump voters. And Gore contested the results in 2000. How quickly everyone forgets these things.
The problem is the left Remoaners past peak Trump before Trump did. They took democracy denial to a new heights which is one reason Labour got trounced in 2019. And Starmer was part of that.
@@BenHall289Obama was not defeated. Hilary was defeated.
Perhaps Obama was gracious on Hilary’s behalf.
Funniest thing I heard during this campaign was that Labour will be at the mercy of "the w o k e" and Islam.
They underestimate Starmers ability to flip flop. Don't think anything will change.
"Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss." - The Who.
Next week Starmer calls for a ‘People’s election’… oh wait…
I love Spiked and I like |Ella, but I agree with JHB mate, I'm sorry but if you don't vote I don't care what you think, Please engage, just go and spoil it, but engage. Voting is a privilege not a right.
It's a vote for learning the hard way, as always. It must be like looking at life in the rear view mirror, when what you're reacting to is already behind you.
If you really want to hear an anti-democratic technocrat, listen to Alistair Campbell views on the electoral system. Key features of where he would like to go is: 1. reducing the voting age to 16, perhaps lower; 2. weighting votes on a points system. A 16 year old's vote would be worth four points, a 75 year old's one point; 3. Non-elected Ministers, having non-MPs or members of the Lords appointed to Ministerial positions. This would see "experts" appointed to ministerial positions.
That figures. Everyone knows the wisdom of a 16-year-old is four times that of a 75-year-old.
Careerism is no bulwark against delusional ideology.
Stock up on candles, wool, tinned food, have a weatherproof tent and know who your friends are.
Housing has become unaffordable, and the borders are, and will remain, open to the world. No building in the Greenbelts. What's left? Legalise and encourage people's drug addictions, allow the cartels free passage in, and you get the tent encampments as in the major Leftist governed American Cities.
The Civil Service, BBC and Sky News are absolutely extatic.
I wish I lived in Essex instead of Scotland 😆🏴
No taxation without representation, very apt for July 4th. 14% of this country, tax payers are hugely under represented. I expect a tax rebate in compensation!
How many seats have Reform got?
Five
@ravens-crypt didn't they get 13?
That was the exit poll protection
@ravens-crypt ah fair enough
As sad as it's gonna be labour getting in number 10 is both a blessing & a curse. The reason it's a blessing is it's gonna wake up labour voters to the chaos labour will cause
The curse is we're also gonna suffer because of it, personally the way it's going with Stalmer loving Khans "congestion & ULEZ" we're all gonna get hit with it.
Enjoyed this. Thanks
I expect the lack of direction and the number of wildly different views in the Parliamentary Labour party will come back to bite them on the behind very quickly. With no clear direction and no mandate on specific policies, the Labour party will factionalise and start infighting before this year is out.
in 1997 Blair had key policies that his own party understood. Education, Internet roll-out and the end of cronyism (cash for questions etc). The public voted for those policies and his own party understood them. This meant that the fracturing of ideas took a term and a half to materialise. It actually took the Iraq war to really start the divides.
This time the Labour Whip is going to be herding cats, none of whom have the same ideas or convictions as one another. I fully expect deep divisions to be apparent and challenging Starmer before this year is out.
Their will be no change.
A Hollow Candidate = A Hollow Election and a Hollow Victory
I have to ask what Labour should do in order to actually retain their majority for the next election assuming reform and conservatives merge?
Less than Magic Grandpa? Wow!
Do You Think Labour will Remode No. 10 On The Inside of a MOSQUE. ☹️ .🇬🇧.
Wooden structures with trapdoors are still needed
Big pointy poles would be better.
There is apathy towards politics, I believe the result implies.
We have had a few economic set backs, and people are tired, they don’t think politicians know what to do.
I say! My two favourite ladies. A veritable Dream Team.
Rather tellingly the exit polls (for just labour voters) said only 5% of them liked policy from starmer.
As suggested by people from all sides 49 % said the ousting of tories was the main reason for voting.
Hilarious, childish and just terrible for democracy. ("a shallow victory" as i see so many mention.)
labour are probably going to go through ministers like toilet paper.
That a Conservative government would think it appropriate to use the phrase "Leveling Up", says all you need to know about this self inflicted disaster. You might as well vote Labour, if the Conservatives think they can make things better by instigating top down policies.
Not particularly excited by a Labour victory, (voted tactically for Labour in my town) but relieved by it, fed up with years of of tory platitudes
Labour arrogance will destroy them
Excellent!
Yeah, even in Kier Starmer's own seat his popularity was cut in half, from 36k in 2019 to only 18k votes this election. The Labour PM in a seat in London can barely command a 10k lead in votes, the PM's seat doesn't qualify as a safe seat. He held on a with only 20% of the electorate in his own constituency voting for him.
If that isn't a clear sign that there's a political vacuum in the country I don't know what is. Even in North London, Kier Starmer gets by only on a lack of opposition.
Hopefully Britain will now become more aligned with the idea of world government. It is the only way ahead. International conflict can become a thing of the past.
I wonder how much further down we have to go before labour voters wake up.
Wonder if the 2 major parties will allow a change in election rules/representative parliament (No, they won't)
I don't like Stamer but hope he does well because he is our prime minister. I agree with your criticism of political parties not recognizing underlying beliefs, concerns, and desires of the public. I also hope that there is more debate on difficult issues and more of an attempt to gain consensus in the best interest of the country. It is crucial for our democracy that differing viewpoints are respected and considered in decision-making processes. In the end, what matters most is the well-being and progress of our nation as a whole. Let us strive for unity and cooperation in the face of challenges.
The fundamental problem is that Starmer's definition of 'doing well' is not the same as yours. Labour have been tasked with speeding up the implementation of Agenda 21. They don't give a damn about you, and neither do any of the politicans associated with groups like the WEF. Please wake up.
I really hope so, however, a Labour government has not boded well in the past and I don't see this one being any different.
The ad at the beginning was a bit of a turn off. Otherwise good episode
Yeah I agree the product is a very bad match.
logical conclusion to multiculturalism which is just another word for apartheid
Think how much worse it would have been for the Tories if Cameron and Teresa May hadn't detoxified the Conservative party! 🤣
How can you be labor leader and not a socialist ?
AG1 looks so delicious, never again will i drink pond water when i can buy this miracle
28:10 Joanna Cherry absolutely blamed the SNP losses partially on "the gender issue". That's just wrong
All sounds a bit remainer if I am being honest. We have a system, no matter how flawed that we accept when we cast our vote. Labour won under that system and will have five years as a government. How hollow that all seems to some makes absolutely no difference.
AS A SCOT i HATE THE ENGLISH ELECTIONS..
The system needs to be overhauled and made fair for the modern times..
Imagine there's no heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us, only sky
Imagine all the people Livin' for today Ah
Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion, too
Imagine all the people Livin' life in peace You
You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will be as one
Imagine no possessions I wonder if you can No need for greed or hunger A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people Sharing all the world
Looks like we’re gonna have to fight for the country the old way
Who will be chosen as the new Tory leader?It will be an important decision.
I think he went out on the piss at 1812 today
"The Gaza question", "The Israel Question" *sigh* 2000 year old Jewish Question stays with us in new clothing.
He's brought Jackie Smith back and Pat Valance, plus Blair has crept out already re: ID cards etc. Awful already.
Ella Whelan is fantastic, love her perspective and the clarity with which it is communicated. Keep on keeping on! 💪
Often thought that until I watched her having a debate with Matt Goodwin 😬
@@Blueirishbloke good point, she was not great on this. Thanks for pointing out, but I still hold that most of her perspectives are good. Even on this matter, she was trying to defend free speech, I agree that if you suppress it, it doesn’t stop the ideas/thought. The issue is one stage back that if a country allows an open immigration policy to those that hate the country that’s welcoming them, that’s the real issue. Stop the cause not the symptom.
@@richardcooke7909 yes I agree, she is generally excellent in articulating sensible views..
That Spiked lady really doesn’t like Reform and Farage, me thinks she is a secret Guardianista 😉
Labor got 33.7% actually
Or you could just try eating properly.
How many adverts, plugs have I got to sit through...GET A GRIP!
Advert too long, left
given that the country is already broke this time, having never recovered from blair/brown, labour are in real trouble from the start
Ah yes. Gordon Brown. The man who sold Britain's gold reserves to line the pockets of his friends. If only the British electorate did not have such short memories.......
Less votes than Corbyn! Twice Corbyn out-performed him, despite the rats in the parlour.
Austerity, Brexit, mini budget. You guys have got everything you want for 14 years. Country is a mess. Maybe a bit of reflection is called for?
people didn't vote for starmer they voted against lying sunak. they will be sorry they didn't vote reform
Tom Slater is sooo boring... But love Spiked! :)
14:10 5 seats.
Welcome to Hell. Day One
…and Liz Truss WASN’T??😳