How To Fix Clear Coat - Removing Orange Peel and Runs
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
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I've been restoring an 83 virago and use your method to paint and clean up the plastic side covers. And it done an excellent job I had orange peel and a few sags and now it's all smooth and I love it. Thanks for the video we'll watch for more. Thank you
Happy it helped you!
damn it looks so good at the end 😮
Accurate concise information. Thanks for making such a quality video!
Glad it was helpful!
It's horrible advice
Sounds like Kevin is speaking for all of us. Thank you Kevin.
Sorry guys. But this is not what I would call shine. Yes it´s better. But far away from a "Showcar-Finish". Too coarse grit, I would suggest 1200, 2000 and then 3000. THEN polish it up.THEN you will see a big difference to your "shine".And to get rid of paint runs you always take a hard sanding block. Not a soft one. If you to you just sanding waves but not your paint run down.
You have any pictures to show us your work?We would love to see some.
Your absolutely right he started way too low I am more like to do 1500 2000 3000 his clearcoat looked a little more
Dull than when It had the runs
Is it possible to rebound after fallowing this guy's first two steps of using 800 then 1000?!?!? I took his word for it and just stopped once I someone else told me I should have started way higher and probably burnt through just about all my clear coat
Not at all. This guy is giving horrible advice and has no idea what he's doing. I have no idea why Eastwood would put this out there.
Yeah, that end result didn’t look too great.
I am such an idiot, when you went to the comparison pics I didn't see the "before" text and immediately thought wow, that still looks like shit. LOL. great job on the finished product!
Thanks!
I thought the same thing. "Well I am not trying this" I said to myself. LOL
Hahahaha now to do that with my matte paint and top coat.... did well on the paint. Punted it into the stands with the top coat
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Ray Charles must have painted that
I am hoping my 5 stage Fuji spray won’t give me the orange peel like that. I wonder how common this is
A rattle can won't give you orange peel like that if you know how to spray
Ty
if you over polish, it makes the clear thin. and your paint wont last for over 4 years. orange peel is annoying but it has a benefit. it makes your paint last over 9 years.
That's why we always recommend at least 3 coats of clear - so you have some room to cut and buff.
I did carbon dipping for my bike parts i use spray can clear coat almost 3 coats got orange peel can i sand it and polish?
Yes you can. If it's just orange peel you can start with something less aggressive like 1500 grit by hand to knock down the peel. Then 3000 grit, 5000 grit if you can find it, and then buff.
So orange peel is always the clearcoat? never the paint itself?
Yes usually. But you have to have a good eye and make sure your clear coat is not to thin otherwise you'll sand paper right threw the clear to the paint.
@@pzpinkslip123 if this happens, you would just apply more clear coats?
No but if your clear is thick you can flatten the clear out so it’s even.
Could you PLEASE coach a gal that's almost in tears about her horse trailer project? I had orange peel and some crackling after I applied 1 coat of rustoleum clear. So I sanded it all out next day with 400 and 1000. (All i had)
It's pretty smooth now but of course DULL.
I don't want to have to paint or put clear coat on again because I am afraid to do it. could you coach me on next steps🙏
You need multiple coats of clear, 2-3 depending on what you're painting. If you used 400 you will need to respray that is WAY too coarse, more for use on wood than paint, probably took all the clearcoat off.
The only point I disagree with the video on is I start w 1000 instead of 800.
Use 1000 to knock down runs, 1500 to knock down orange peel, 2000 to get smooth, then buff with polishing compound to get the shine back.
Hey! Yes don't fret we can help.
First it's going to be tough with only one coat of clear because that's pretty thin and you may sand through your clear. We'd say you should probably scuff with 600 and apply another coat or two.
If you want to move forward anyway - you need to work up to 1500 grit or higher and then buff the trailer with compound and foam/wool pad. We wouldn't have said to sand with 400 grit - that's REALLY aggressive.
Go over the whole thing with your 1000 grit (it will be smooth, but really dull)
Then you work your 1000 grit scratches out with 1500 (it will start to get shiner)
Then you can finish with something like a 3000 Trizact pad (it will get considerably shinier)
This is the 3m name brand (there are cheaper alternatives)
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Then finish by buffing with Step 1 and Step 2 Compound and Polish on a buffer
Step 1
www.eastwood.com/eastwood-concours-fast-cutting-compound.html
www.eastwood.com/eastwood-concours-6-foam-polishing-pad-coarse.html
Step 2
www.eastwood.com/eastwood-concours-finishing-polish.html
www.eastwood.com/eastwood-concours-6-foam-polishing-pad-medium.html
I could still see the remnants of the bubbling. Not bad though
Is cutting compound the same as rubbing compound?
They are synonymous, yes.
Just cuz some folks don't get it ... don't know what they are getting themselves into when they decide to give this (a project) a go. Kinda like ME! .... Though I have an idea and expected it. ... how long did this whole process take on this ONE little piece? ... now imagine all the other parts to do.
We probably spent about an hour or so work time between sanding multiple stages and then polishing. This piece also had several issues - the side with runs took longer then the side with just orange peel.
@@eastwoodcoSpent an hour because you don't know what you're doing. This video is a joke. Should have had that sanded flat and up to 5000 in 10 minutes. Would have taken you another 10 minutes to buff to an actual show quality shine.
Looks like the clear shine was more glossier than the buff shine
yes it was
After sanding, can you buff it with just a polish or wax? Or do you need to use a rubbing compound?
You're typically going to need a cutting compound. How heavy will depend on how high you wet sanded.
can you use the same principals on a single stage job? I can not find information on that.
Cutting and Buffing is the same - but with single stage you have to be even more careful as if you sand too much you'll burn through the color.
When you sand and buff you'll see the paper and buffing wheel pickup some of that color as well.
Pretty much impossible to do with good results in a single stage metallic, unless you clear over it. Color sanding will distort the metallics. A solid color single stage will sand and buff fine though.
Starting at 800 is asking for trouble have fun burning through your edges, the point is to remove as little as possible at a time so you dont screw yourself
We call out being VERY careful and avoiding edges in the video. You can start with 1500 if you want - those we're pretty big run's so we got after it with 800.
Woo to the woo woo. Mighty nice.
how long after clear coat being sprayed can you sand
It's going to vary paint to paint, temp, etc. Our 2k aerospray can be sanded after 72 hours. We have a tailgate we just painted with all aerosol's that will be coming out in the next week or so that we sprayed on a Thursday and sanded on Monday.
can I wet sanding after few hours after the clear coat application? I`ve got orange peel but feels that`s not completely cured yet, I used a 2k clear but theres no hardener and the description says 24hours to cure. Can I wet sand before that 24hours or will I ruin the job? thanks
You should wait the 24 hours.
So the orange peel is problem with the clear not the base coat? I thouth its the other way around
Yes the orange peel is in the clear coat. Base lays REALLY flat.
Can you re spray a coat or two of clearcoat after all of the sanding and Before any cutting or polishing??
Sort of - You can scuff/sand with 800 grit and re-clear. Sometimes shops will do this if there's too much dirt or something goes awry in the initial clear coat stage.
Great video. Thanks! Newb here. I was watching the 800 grit sanding anxiously thinking how many microns of clear coat were getting shaved off. Granted, this is a process that is really only done once in the life of the car, with subsequent annual polishes presumably removing only negligible amounts of clear coat. I’m ramping up to remove orange peel on my car too and have never polished a car before so looking to learn what to do/ avoid.
You probably won't have to be as aggressive and can start with 1500 or higher. We need the 800 because of how bad those runs were.
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question : do you spray top clear coat after all that?
No, after you buff it back to shiny you're finished.
@@eastwoodco can you spray thought if you clean and tack it?
do you just use regular water?
Yes! Just normal water out of a spray bottle.
maybe a dumb question but can you do this on plastic painted objects to? or only metal?
These methods work for correcting top coats no matter the substrate, so yes plastic. Just make sure it's a base/clear paint job and not single stage or you'll be sanding color.
hi. doesn't the sanding remove a good amount of paint? Will that ultimately affect how easy it scratches?
Yes, wet sanding will remove clear. We recommend 3 coats of clear when painting so there's lots of material to work with. It won't affect how easily it scratches but it will affect how deep of scratches you could get out.
@@eastwoodco ok thank you.
you can still see run marked
At the bottom edge, yes. We address this in the video - the flat front panel is getting an upholstered seat over top of it and you have to be SUPER careful on your edges or you'll burn through.
It's better than before. That was the point......
Did it get further polished? The light reflection looked blurry yet. Or is there a further step compound Eastwood has? Cause I'd like to try these polish compounds at home, being better cost than 3m stuff. But I wouldn't be happy with the d.o.i. like that piece got. Not trying to troll anything or anything just want to know if it can get better than what it was, like did it just get a quick buff for video, or is it like most better to go up to 5000 or 8000 before buff. Want extra info would be great thanks.
5000 is where you should be stopping to buff, some do only up to 3000. If you go to 8000 then it will cut some time off of your buffing but it can get pricey having to buy all those grits.
I just respray the clear after cut and buffing with 800, just to have a ticker layer at the end
Hey thanks for the comment. It's probably mostly due to camera angle capturing the reflection, but you can certainly take the wet sanding up to 3000 grit as well as adding a stage 3 polish. Keep an eye out for additional compounds coming out in the near future. For our needs this was the right amount of shine.
Surprise with all that abrasive sanding and compound, it didn't burn through the clear coat.?
When we apply, we generally apply 3 coats, especially if we know we're going to rub it. That ensures there's enough material there to not burn through. You do have to be careful of the edges though!
Forgive my ignorance but....are we dealing with a clearcoat or base paint finish here?
This was a 2 stage - basecoat then clearcoat paint job, we're working on the clear coat.
I use 1 product. 1 stage. 1 foam pad. No swirl marks. It washes off easy because it's not 3m
GETTING MY CAR PAINTED BY MAACO... I WAS TOLD I MIGHT HAVE TO DO THIS BECAUSE OF THE LOW QUALITY PAINT JOBS THEY DO
The best would have been 600g and flow coat another 2 coats of clear. Screw the buffing crap
imo buffing is easy and gives good results
Must have been fun to paint something badly for a change!
Still has peel.
So does every car that rolls off of a factory line.
I didn’t know we were matching OEM. Who wants that? It’s not great.
800 grit...no. If clear is that bad, scuff and respray, wetsanding takes forever. Time is money.
Lot's of work flows to address paint issues - this is just one option.
This works but it’s geared for hobbyists, not professional paint and body guys
Eastwood literally makes videos like these for hobbyists. DIYers are their market. @@tycobandit
This really isn't real world. Do a actual panel with LARGE RUNS
Expect this is real world and most people will do little projects like this and get the same result, plus this is the same thing, all you'd be doing is scaling it up, so just use the same method but larger scale, what's hard about that 😂
I love how you did such a poor job they couldn't even zoom into the finished product 😂 nice try though but really? 800 grit?! I hope no one actually does this or they're going to need to start all the way back to painting lol. START WITH 1200 GRIT PEOPLE END WITH 3000. You're welcome...
6:04 is a Close Up - but if you want to be less aggressive and start with 1200 grit that's fine. We had some pretty gnarly runs on the flat side to content with so 800 was our choice.
@@eastwoodco true and the flat side won't be seen you said it's going on a tank but I think a disclaimer letting people know that you had gnarly runs to deal with would be helpful. 800 just eats paint fast and if you don't know what you're doing - which is probably many people watching this sort of tutorial - burning down to bare metal happens quickly
Learn to spray is how you get rid of orange peel. I can't imagine how many burn throughs this guy will cause if anyone actually listens to him. There's absolutely never any reason to start at 800. Also, that run isn't going to disappear like that. Could have gotten that out with a razor in a few seconds. Also please do not start buffing at 1500. This guy has no idea what he's doing.
Agreed. 800 is way too coarse for this purpose.
I did burn thourgh listening to this guy. I'm sick ! This video should be censored !
I watched other videos on how to remove run downs and ils so easy, i burnt through my clear and even paint at some point i'm so mad... I will certainly have to repaint my car...
@@Irianeth sorry to hear. You will see on other videos typically 1500 grit is the starting point for orange peel and a razor technique for runs.
@@rw3476 Thank you. I don't know what to do wtih the rest of the car where I didnt burn all my clear, should I try 1500/2000 or my clear is certainly dead ?
is rubbing compound the same as cutting compound ?
Unfortunately no, but Rubbing Compound is the same as Rubbing Compound.
Sorry, I meant to say is rubbing compound the same as cutting compound and will rubbing compound work?