Carnivores Have Lower Testosterone Levels? Ft. Robb Wolf
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- Опубліковано 28 січ 2021
- A handful of strict carnivores released their blood work and showed lower testosterone levels than you'd expect, especially when you take into account their physiques and output. We asked Robb Wolf if there is a connection to the carnivore diet and/or low carb diets and low test levels. Full episode here: lnk.to/RobbWolf
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My first week of carnivore, after a few days my libido was insane despite suffering from hardcore keto flu
Same, and after a month i did my bloodwork. My testosterone went up from 3 to 4.5
Oh, wow, good for you. A while back, I ate a bunch of oranges one day, and my T-level went from 135 to almost 900. Been eating oranges every day ever since.
I've been on the carnivore diet for 10 months now. Granted, I started adding carbs exclusively through raw honey in tea about 5 months in, and I've been consuming that irregularly over the past 5 months.
The reason why I decided to reluctantly add carbs was because while I also experienced high testosterone during the first 2-3 months on the diet, that drastically changed around the 4 month mark. I woke up one day feeling less motivated and having lower mood levels than usual, and my libido, which had previously been high, suddenly became really low. I still had high energy levels at that point, which I assume was due to being in deep Ketosis.
I decided to consult my doctor about a testosterone test, and when I received it, I was surprised to see that my total testosterone was relatively high at 837 ng/dl. I don't remember what my free testosterone was, but my SHBG was much higher than it should be, and Albumin was lower.
If you're not familiar with how these things work, Albumin and SHBG are proteins that transport hormones. Simply put, the difference between them is that SHBG binds tightly to testosterone and doesn't necessarily unbind it effectively, whereas Albumin is not bound as tightly to it and can more conveniently release the hormones around the body. I did a lot of research on my own, and my conclusion was that there was no other way to get around the issue than to add some carbs back into my diet.
I still exclusively consume red meat, and I feel that I still reap the benefits of that, but I cycle in and out of Ketosis. I'd prefer to stay in deep Ketosis, like I used to. My brain seems to function a lot better that way, and I have much more energy throughout the day, but the testosterone issue is a deal breaker for me. If any of you run into the same issue, I'd advice not being so dogmatic about the diet. It is possible that there are solutions to the issue that doesn't involve consuming carbs, but I haven't been able to find any of those solutions. It is also possible that the body might adapt better to being in long-term Ketosis after a year or more, but I'm not willing to see that experiment out. Occasional, low doses of honey before bedtime solved the issue for me, and that's the routine I'll follow until I discover a better way to ensure sustainable hormonal stability.
Another thing I've noticed recently is that, while it seems to be beneficial to add a lot of salt to meals during the start of the carnivore diet, it may be beneficial to decrease the amount of it over time. I tried reducing, and even excluding salt entirely over the past month, month and a half - and it could be a coincidence, but my sleep seems to have improved during the same period of time, and without having done any blood work recently, it feels like my cortisol level is lower than what I'm used to.
@@DillaryHuff I don't blame you for adding carbs. A lot of people have said low carb diets can lower libido. I totally agree with not being so dogmatic about it. I think keeping it mostly meat based and adding non-crap carbs is a good idea. I personally hate ketosis so I try to stay just out of it
I went from 344 to 960 in around 3 months all natural no TRT. This book should be essential reading for all men. Written by a 50s guy with natural T levels of a 20s guy
Complete guide to testosterone by james Francis
They are wrong.
Give it enough time and carnivore is King for all aspects of life.
As time goes on our testosterone in the U.S. is getting lower. Something is going on in our environment. Worth trying to figure it out!
Please note everyone, from the experts: carnivore may lower testosterone but it increases androgen receptor sensitivity. This is why, although some numbers may appear low (or very low), they are working much better than if you weren't on the diet. This is what is meant by clinical function. If you're lifting more, more focused, energized, libido, then you are better off hormone-wise on this diet. Testosterone tests are less effective now
can it raise to much estrogen?
All I know is chimpanzees eat high carb and they have balls the size of tennis balls and five times stronger than humans.
I've been eating high carb(fruits and starch) low-fat for weeks and I get rock hard erections at 56
I've gained more muscle on keto and fasting while working out less than any other time in my life.
yeah you can gain some degree of muscle and definition on carnivore even for sedentary individuals it really is unbelievable
in my opinion, it could be because you don't have enough insulin or you eat too much iron. Why? Insulin lowers SHBG which binds to free testisterone, making it unable to function and there is link between high markers of stored iron and high SHBG so low free testosterone.
Is it true that wild boar meat is packed with testosterone?
I have a hunch that the lower amount of physical activity actually descreases test. I imagine our ancestors were much more active and did not have sedentary lifestyles
Ancient ppl were very sedentary. Working out kills you.
Ancient ppl were very sedentary. Working out kills you.
Ancient ppl were very sedentary. Working out kills you.
Ancient ppl were very sedentary. Working out kills you.
Ancient ppl were very sedentary. Working out kills you.
Those guys did the mistake of eating too little fat, you need cholesterol for testosterone. Low carbohydrate + high cholesterol = high testosterone.
I guess, but you need to eat a lot of cholesterol, like a giant serving all at once, with no carbs, and then you get the effect.
I can confirm though, yesterday I ate a no carb meal of just pure fatty steak (big plate) and I felt high T after, lots of urges aswell.
@@User-pz4re This happens to me everytime I eat a steak. All jokes aside, my lady knows how I get after a juicy NY Strip. I have never felt these urges when eating sweet potatoes, quinoa, or even oatmeal.
@@cme982 I guess. Too much protein kills my libido though. For whatever reason. Like when I'm eating red meat, it would have to be mostly (70% fat, 30% protein) for me to feel the libido effects.
When I reach the protein threshold, my libido is dead fully.
And dairy kills my libido aswell, all milk, yoghurt, butter, any dairy makes my balls go numb.
Rice DESTROYS my dick the most, this is probably the worst one on here. Rice turns me into a female mentally and physically, I have never eaten oats but I imagine oats would make me feel similar.
That's what got Vince Gironda into eating 2-3 dozen eggs per day.
Exactly. Eat every part of the steak. I get frequent boners and make noticable strength gains
I'm 59...carnivore-ish (always low carb). My body's Total Test usually comes in between 1200-1300 ng/dl (no TRT...absolutely natural). That said my Free T is only 14 ng/dl , which isn't necessarily optimal given my Total T levels. I'm assuming my SHBG is relatively high (need to test) given my low carb diet. That said I have always had more lean muscle mass than the average bear, so I wonder if in certain circumstances high Free T levels aren't necessary to build muscle, have a decent libido, etc...
wow, those are really high for natural levels. Holy crap. Congrats lol.
Im curious how many calories you eat per day (maintenance level, deficit? Surplus)
As well as how much protein do you eat per day?
Do you intermittent fast?
How is the quality of food you eat? Organic pasture raised or grain fed?
We can learn from eachother...
My guess would be your SHBG is through the roof high not just a little high...im wondering how your estrogen levels are? How is the quality of food you are consuming?
You also could be very androgen sensitive not needing as much testosterone
@@macknumber9 Thanks for the feedback. I typically eat very clean. Perhaps you are right that I am more androgen sensitive than the average. I’m not sure about my estrogen levels. I probably need to get a full panel done. Interestingly enough my 21-year-old has the same total test levels as I do, however his free testosterone ratio is closer to 1 1/2% vice my 1%. I’m guessing that over time mine has just slowly decreased.
@@rossholley5805 how is your protein intake? Any idea how many grams per day you consume on average? Calorie intake per day?
does anyone tried the carnivore diet on trt, i would like to try (i m on trt already) let me know
Yes I did. At first it was great but after 6 months my SHBG was high, shifted pinning to once a week. Had to stop tho due to low thyroid t3 - was constantly freezing this winter in the north. May have an underlying thyroid issue. Overall I like carnivore tho, felt recovery from workouts was much faster. I’m on the Saladino train for now til I figure out the t3 issue, then may return to carnivore. Hypothyroid symptoms way less since adding carbs. Probably good to test out and see how you feel
At the end of the day. Blood work is a snap shot.
How do you feel? How do you perform?
Lower levels may mean working more efficiently. That’s what the body wants to do.
What carnivores have is lower inflammation better recovery etc . Every time I go off that paleo / Paul Saladino lifestyle my recovery is way worse and everything else fitness is a bit worse
Total testosterone 150 free 3%free test.
9%body fat more or less.tons of energy.50 user old body of 25 year 6 pack.my doctor is confuse.
the answer seems to be androgen receptor sensitivity. you utilize your testosterone way more than the average diet person would. maybe an order of magnitude more + , we just don't know. but results say it all
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10 to 33 in the normal range I’m at 28 so love those little lamb chops
Not surprising. The body first needs essential amino acids and essential fattu acids, and since nothing is built from carbs, the body actually makes some amount of carbs when it is needed and carbs are not essential - so why would it be necessary to mostly eat worthless carbs?
I have now seen so many transformations of men from a SAD/mainstream diet or Vegan diet to Carnivore on You Tube that I can categorically say those men go from 0 to HOT. Surely logic says that if a man becomes so attractive to the opposite sex does it matter about testosterone? Must be more to it than that - female perspective
I think you're on to something
Yes Testosterone levels, even if really hot to females, is important. Low T can affect energy levels, drive, motivation, etc. worst thing I ever did was go from a SAD diet to a Vegan diet. My testosterone tanked and my energy was crazy low. I started becoming a fat, high carb eating soy boy. Then thank the Lord I had some voice of reason tell me that maybe the way I was feeling, wasn’t the way to go with this diet. Started bringing animal products and meat back in my diet and never looked back.
@@user-wh9gk7yq8u happy for you. Thank goodness you stopped the wasting disease aka the vegan diet
I love how grown educated men can't talk about morning wood without giggling like children.. it's comical.. :)
Clomen?
My testosterone tanked with keto, but it was already on the decline. Chlomid made a huge difference.
Thanks for sharing this with us! Chlomid seem pretty damn interesting.
@@MarkBellsPowerProject when my doc told me I had low test, he tried to put me on injections. I'm not about that life. I respect the people that go that route. Just isn't my thing. I argued with him for probably 45 min (proving he is a great doctor) and finally ended with a SERM (Chlomid). I noticed a jump in libido almost right away. My wife is happy.
@@richardmiller1256 lol happy for you and the wifey!
@@richardmiller1256 how much do you take? have you notice any sides?
@@dubson965 50mg every other day. Biggest side effect is libido. My nipples probably stay hard more. Not a good thing since I am a ginger and they get raw. My test was low 400s with free test almost non existent. Now I'm in the 800s with free test just under 100. That's it.
There’s something else going on. I’ve been doing BBB&E diet and my libido has increased. My energy level as well as my overall feeling of wellbeing have increased as well. Perhaps, our bodies become more sensitive to testosterone.
BBB&E??
Perhaps free testosterone looks like ketones if you're not tapping into it are you seeing it up it's not there anymore so you look like you have low levels because back in the day in the from the thirties and three the fifties they didn't hit the gym or workout or has any type of physical regimen
And i have another theory. Colestherol is very similar to testo. Maybe we dont need so much testo cause of that? The fact is that we dont know. What we know is that the output is good
You want to see a low blood sugar range? Let me eat a baked potato and mine will be in the 40's but if I just have the steak it will stay in the 90's. The answer to this is the steak isn't requiring that insulin response and the potato gives me a spike in blood sugar at first but this sends me toward dangerously low blood sugars.
soon as i started eating butter i stop geting daily woods soon as i added fruit back in i got hard
Yeah. Eating fruits has been known to increase erections for a long time. Nuts, chocolate and oysters help too.
Odd but muscle isn't dependent on testosterone. Women athletes that breast feed ect have greater muscles than many guys with high T . ???
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Couldn’t it be that they have less free testosterone because the body is effectively using it and depleting it faster that it can produce it?
After 2 years on carnivore, I had total test of 204 and free test of 6 and felt like total garbage. What a nightmare. 5 weeks into TRT now, praying for change.
How much fat were you eating?
I 5-6 years on Keto switched to Carnivore 2 months ago. Tested last Winter was 475 at 61yrs old. Will retest after 90 days to see if what changes if anything.
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You don't need test. Just start eating carbs again.
i would say Testosterone is higher with no carbs
Sorry people don't have a clue! Stop looking at numbers as they do not tell the total story! Do more homework! You need to tell people to STOP ALL Carbs, Sugars, Plants and Processed Foods to get healthy and live longer! I just whish I had billions of dollars so I could afford to sue everyone for all the lies throughout my life. I am 72 and have been lied to all my life, the people that spread the BS should all be in jail or worse for all the lies about health and nutrition!
Test these theories on naturals, no point speculating diets affect on test if you're taking test imo
The people Nsima gave examples of, Shawn Baker/Paul Saladino, are natty.
If i was to bet on it, i'd bet trt but i honestly don't know much about them, i'm assuming they're heavy meat eaters and if they're natural then i'd bet they train almost every day.. which isn't a bad thing but its my speculation that on a whole foods pb diet your body is more efficient at muscle protein synthesis.
But hey who am i, no doctor or bber. I just train 2-3 40 minute sessions a week and feel/look great :P
@@MarkBellsPowerProject they claim natty, don't mean they are. DeLauer says he's natty too and I highly doubt that.
Shawn Baker is a beast who lifts serious weight. Not sure the numbers matter.
That’s what I’m genuinely curious about here, even if the numbers are lower… as long as you feel good and still lift like normal, what difference does it make?
Mark bell literally has no bicep
What the guy on left is doing ? 😂
he paying attention to the speaker...unlike you cuz u over there staring oddly at other men 🤡
boron, carb cycling, boron cycling, and large meals will help lower those numbers. ORRRR trt plus carnivore. In reality you need to pastoralist aka milk, cheese and blood made these people have good hormone profiles
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I got anemic on carnivore and it didn’t sort itself out until I reintroduced some carbs. Go figure
Yeah. I can't stand all the carnivore charlatans and whack jobs who say plants or carbs are all poisonous.
😂😂😂😂😂😂 all the excuses
Do the carnivore diet if you want to transition into a trans woman.
Vegan diet will turn you into a malnourished trans woman.
@@chosengod5943 as vegan I have much higher testosterone levels and lower shbg than the carnivorous. I could donate some to you if you want.
@@juno6 ahahhahahaha why would u be vegan?
@@mohammada3116 various studies showed vegans have 15/20% higher testosterone levels than omnivores. And according to carnivores like Paul Saladino and Shawn Baker, probably x4 times more than carnivores.
@@juno6 pls link the videos from Saladino and Baker, thanks
Soy is going on.duh
These guys seem all confused ,,,and not know what there taking about