Right on! I was in the audience of that talk at the assembly hall in 1966. I have been working to save the Constitution since a few months before that talk. I am 83 years old and I am very tired, but still doing what I can to wake us up us to our "awful situation." I have seen victories that I believe have slowed down the demise of our Constitution, and experienced some disheartening events that comes with any effort in this battle for freedom. There are many effective ways to get involved to do your part in this battle. It is worth it. You will find kinship with like-minded people who do more than simply complain about the state of affairs in our country.
You always put into words so well the things that weigh heavily on my mind. I loved assisting you on Latter-Day Liberty and Latter-Day Responsibility! You're an inspiration with how much you have accomplished and continue to accomplish!
You were asked to talk on the Constitution in church?! Sign me up! I always imagined that the whole church was on board but a series of events has proven otherwise.
The Utah Area presidency sent a letter urging wards and stakes in Utah to commemorate the Constitution in some way in September and suggested centering a Sacrament meeting around Pres Oaks 2021 talk, our divinely inspired constitution. I think they did the same thing last year, and it seems people were more responsive this year. It's tricky to thread the needle of Christ-centered, "politically neutral" talk about the Constitution, and a big act of trust for the Bishop to give that as a topic to someone, but the trend it positive and I'm hopeful it will become a bit of an annual tradition.
@@TheAustinStokerwait what?! Seems my stake decided to skip reading that letter to us, let alone doing anything about it. Do you have anyway to access that letter?
4:19 I crave that sweetness and light. What used to be easy to live the checklist is no longer that easy. It is no longer easy to live the gospel even in the heart of Zion. All of us will have our cleansing moments in our souls as did Alma. You may never see mine, but trust me, I have felt the Redeemer's refining fire inside of me. Numerous times I have had to choose the higher road, you just have not seen my inner struggles.
As I read the BoM, I discover that the elevation of covenants in Mosiah 5 was precluded by a change in government to a republic. This was necessary as God does not allow the making of covenants without the ability to keep them. An oppressive government would make the keeping many of covenants very difficult if not impossible. We need a government that protects our ability to make and maintain a relationship with God.
On Fast Sunday, July 4th, 2021, while everyone in the chapel but me were wearing masks (including the bishop and SP on the stand), I was the only person to stand up and bear my testimony on the Constitution and the ideals of freedom in my ward. That told me everything I needed to know how far this church has fallen from its founding principles. If this church is still true, its in the doctrine alone. The members certainly aren't true anymore.
I was asked to give this same talk. I didn't want to sugarcoat anything, and I wanted to address the very real threats to The Constitution. I informed the bishop's counselor that I wanted to talk about the UN sustainable development goals, and how these run counter to the Constitution. I am not speaking now. My ward is not ready to hear the truth about what is happening in our country. So sad!
"But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain - that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case it is unfit to exist." Lysander Spooner.
In February 1956 instructor magazine, David O.McKay said this. If members of Melchizedek priesthood allow the constitution to be destroyed, they not only forfeit their rights to the priesthood, but to a place in the highest degree in the celestial kingdom.
Great topic! What do I do to act? I home-school my six children, teach them the principles of liberty, and exercise them as far as I can without being locked in a cage. I definitely push the limits and question my "authorities." The Amish are great examples of living in liberty. They live what they teach and have figured out how to work with the government to live pretty well as they like, exercising their right to live as they choose, which is unconventional.
I highly doubt my stake or ward would be so bold and patriotic to have a talk on the Constitution cuz..... politics. 🙄🤦♂️ But the constitution is not perfect nor adequate to enforce those rights. And we shouldnt be worshipping it.
Voting is still technically an act (one could skip it), but an act whose informational content is reduced to, in the case of one race, a mere literal single bit, 1 or 0.
I know we can’t go back but I often wonder what would have happened if the founding fathers would have listen to the original host of this land and used more of their way in regards to government political and economic systems the haudenosaunee people did what they could to help the founding fathers with the constitution but they left out some important components of governance !! The haudenosaunee lived the law of consecration and had balance in government (checks and balances) and an economic system that helped them thrive together as 5 nations in one !!
Our problem today is the opposite of the jews. We don't revere our ancestors or their teachings enough, the teachings that built civilization. We think we are more enlightened and know better than Brigham Young and other early church leaders. And you are now seeing the rotten fruit we are getting today because of it. We should honor every single thing they taught if we want to save ourselves and our families.
This was inevitable Joseph said if we don’t start and maintain the council of 50 and live the law of consecration the saints would be doomed !! This was the reason the lord lead the saints to the west so that they could start the kingdom of god because that didn’t happen we have what we have today !! To me it’s like we live the lower law (law of Moses) government and economic system But I’ve also had this thought that it’s by design because the lord will be like ok “are you ready to do this my way now” so we have to experience this lower law way of living to then repent and do it the lords way (a swing and a miss) we could have done this on our own or we will be forced to do this !! On our own is the lords way (learning liberty and freedom ) or be forced to live this way (communism Satan way )
@@irajones9952 besides we in no way shape or form live the lower law. We have become a law unto ourselves. That's the law we live, and then call it God's law. Can you tell me what laws of God we live, I'd like to know?
@@holyroller4391 the law of gravity !! We all follow that !! lol 😂 I hoping I’m understanding you but I think what your saying is we as humans make up the laws as we go along and then call them “gods laws” right ? What I’ve been trying to do lately is understand what truth is and means because if I can understand what god says on the matter then I can do a better job to align myself with that truth !! But truth is a tricky too !! Just like anybody else I’m experimenting to figure things out !!
@@irajones9952 your correct. And I would say the only reason truth is tricky is because of all the precepts of men. If one became as a little child, nearly all truth would be had. That is intelligently applying scripture for what it is. Good luck in your quest. 👍
All I'm thinking about while you are quoting the forefathers' statements regarding the Federalist Papers, Declaration of Independence, and Constitution, is how many courthouses have had the 10 Commandments removed from their premises. How basic are the 10 Commandments for establishing basic rules for a stable society, yet the extremists of society had them removed in the name of freedom. Ironic and depressing and really shameful.
The scripture actually refers to two constitutions; the constitution of the land is the US constitution and the constitution of the people refers to the constitution of Missouri at the time. This is why God says he established the one but only suffered the other to be established.
How many were asked to speak on Open Doors to Federal Courts Day? I'm sorry, but I thought Sunday was a day to focus on God, not country. Discussing politics is important, but during church?
What would a talk on adultery do over the pulpit? I bet you wouldn't get more than a few minutes before they kicked you off. Connor how can people repent if they don't know what they are doing is an abomination? Pride cometh before the fall.
@@yellowballoon4143 this is coming from someone indoctrinated in the lies of this adulterous generation obviously. No offense. Read the scriptures don't listen to what men think is correct. Take your own advice and you won't fail
@@yellowballoon4143 not anymore in most wards....the manuals are dumbed down and your luvky if you have a teacher who dives into much of anything that might make people uncomfortable...adultery is rarely talked about anymore at church
@@wufflerdance9481 agreed! one of themostpsiritual men in our ward gave a talk on the evils of abortion in sacrament. the blow back from some members was most abominable! disgusting!!! it's way past time for GOd to clean HIs own house and it's gonna get even dirtier.
@@KellyKoerperAre you implying those women were lying? Their testimony was so convincing that it led Joseph Smith III to doubt his own mother’s denials of plural marriage. You say be careful about claims regarding Joseph Smith. I agree. I don’t think you should cherry pick the evidence. Let’s look at all the evidence.
You asked about a list of principles upon with to establish free government. That should easy. The list that God gave us is the commandments and sayings of Jesus. Duh!! God says, "If you will make a covenant with me to keep my commandments, and my sayings in the new covenant, I, the Lord will bless you with freedom, peace, protection, provision, prosperity, health, wisdom, knowledge and understanding, longevity, and fertility for your wives, flocks and herds and in the crops of the field. If you do not follow my instruction, and break my covenant, you have no promise and you will suffer the natural consequences of the broken law." The importance of keeping the commandments and sayings of Jesus cannot be overlooked. We have a constitution that guarantees our peace and freedom as long as we worship the true and living God and make him, (Jesus) the God of this land, and as long as we do not have graven images. The main causes for which we are about to lose our constitution is the fact that most people do not accept Jesus as the God of this and do not keep his commandments. Our nation has become a idolatrous nation from the idol of liberty in New York harbor to the idol of Lucifer that stands in the Visitor's centers of the LDS church, which image has become the icon of the church. If the LDS people do not repent and get rid of the Idolatry supported by the criminals in church government, it will not matter if Trump wins. This people cannot continue to thumb their noses at God and expect him to protect our peace and freedom. Our job as citizens of the kingdom of God is to teach the commandments and sayings of Jesus and to preach repentance and baptize as many as repent.
I don’t agree with voting being reactive. Not if you are an engaged citizen doing stuff as you mention. While not everyone can do that. But you can help and learn in other ways. So maybe they vote at the last minute but they are doing other things where they are acting to help society. This is why we can’t stay in our homes and read the scriptures.
A Joseph Smith polygamy denier. Big difference in meaning. I had to chuckle when I heard him say it here. Anyway, the evidence is there. Joseph did not practice, teach, or condone polygamy. Yea, for Connor doing his research!
@@permaprepper8130do you believe section 132 is revelation? If so you might want to reread verses 1-6 a few more times. I've reread a verse over 50 times before I actually understood what it meant. Preconceived notions are powerful.
Is “denier” just a word thrown around by people who do no research and just accept the mainstream narrative? “Deniers” seem to be right just about every time someone labels them as such.
@@asarg1776 Real liberty is to be free from sin. The chains of sin is the true tyranny of the world. “Thus, a good man, though a slave, is free; but a wicked man, though a king, is a slave. For he serves, not one man alone, but what is worse, as many masters as he has vices.” Saint Augustine of Hippo The US constitution is a man made document. Its inspiration from God is propaganda. Voting for representatives will always lead to the best charlatans winning.
@@georgemartin1383 If the words of prophets AND THE LORD are propaganda then I guess call it propaganda… “Every Latter-day Saint should love the inspired Constitution of the United States-a nation with a spiritual foundation and a prophetic history-which nation the Lord has declared to be his base of operations in these latter days. The framers of the Constitution were men raised up by God to establish this foundation of our government, for so the Lord has declared by revelation in these words: “I established the Constitution of this land, by the hands of wise men whom I raised up unto this very purpose, and redeemed the land by the shedding of blood.” (D&C 101:80; italics added.) -Ezra Taft Benson Humans are not perfect obviously. But He lets us be involved and help with His purposes. We have liberty so that we can freely CHOOSE Him. You’re referencing freedom from sin. Awesome. That is our aim. But the Constitution is about a liberty to choose liberty you could say.
My dad owned a Rambler back when I was a kid ... but wow, nothing like this!!! On the bright side, it's the sabbath day, a day of rest, and now i'm very much ready to take a nap!
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Right on! I was in the audience of that talk at the assembly hall in 1966. I have been working to save the Constitution since a few months before that talk. I am 83 years old and I am very tired, but still doing what I can to wake us up us to our "awful situation." I have seen victories that I believe have slowed down the demise of our Constitution, and experienced some disheartening events that comes with any effort in this battle for freedom. There are many effective ways to get involved to do your part in this battle. It is worth it. You will find kinship with like-minded people who do more than simply complain about the state of affairs in our country.
You always put into words so well the things that weigh heavily on my mind. I loved assisting you on Latter-Day Liberty and Latter-Day Responsibility! You're an inspiration with how much you have accomplished and continue to accomplish!
You were asked to talk on the Constitution in church?! Sign me up! I always imagined that the whole church was on board but a series of events has proven otherwise.
The Utah Area presidency sent a letter urging wards and stakes in Utah to commemorate the Constitution in some way in September and suggested centering a Sacrament meeting around Pres Oaks 2021 talk, our divinely inspired constitution. I think they did the same thing last year, and it seems people were more responsive this year. It's tricky to thread the needle of Christ-centered, "politically neutral" talk about the Constitution, and a big act of trust for the Bishop to give that as a topic to someone, but the trend it positive and I'm hopeful it will become a bit of an annual tradition.
@@TheAustinStokerwait what?! Seems my stake decided to skip reading that letter to us, let alone doing anything about it. Do you have anyway to access that letter?
This was great, a wake up call for me to be more anxiously engaged! Thank you!
4:19 I crave that sweetness and light. What used to be easy to live the checklist is no longer that easy. It is no longer easy to live the gospel even in the heart of Zion. All of us will have our cleansing moments in our souls as did Alma. You may never see mine, but trust me, I have felt the Redeemer's refining fire inside of me. Numerous times I have had to choose the higher road, you just have not seen my inner struggles.
i havent been in a ward that would even consider a talk on constitution and founding fathers in years...and ive been in many wards😢
Several of our prophets have said our constitution was inspired by God. Ezra Taft Benson called it a heavenly banner.
D&C does as well.
As I read the BoM, I discover that the elevation of covenants in Mosiah 5 was precluded by a change in government to a republic. This was necessary as God does not allow the making of covenants without the ability to keep them. An oppressive government would make the keeping many of covenants very difficult if not impossible. We need a government that protects our ability to make and maintain a relationship with God.
Nicely done !!! Parchment barrier is very descriptive...
We also had the Constitution and Bill of Rights as the subject of the talks in our Sacrament meeting today.
On Fast Sunday, July 4th, 2021, while everyone in the chapel but me were wearing masks (including the bishop and SP on the stand), I was the only person to stand up and bear my testimony on the Constitution and the ideals of freedom in my ward.
That told me everything I needed to know how far this church has fallen from its founding principles.
If this church is still true, its in the doctrine alone. The members certainly aren't true anymore.
I was asked to give this same talk. I didn't want to sugarcoat anything, and I wanted to address the very real threats to The Constitution. I informed the bishop's counselor that I wanted to talk about the UN sustainable development goals, and how these run counter to the Constitution. I am not speaking now. My ward is not ready to hear the truth about what is happening in our country. So sad!
I wish I lived in a ward that would ask someone to talk on the Constitution…
I don’t think my stake leadership would ever allow that.
That’s too bad. Where do you live?
"But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain - that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case it is unfit to exist." Lysander Spooner.
In February 1956 instructor magazine, David O.McKay said this. If members of Melchizedek priesthood allow the constitution to be destroyed, they not only forfeit their rights to the priesthood, but to a place in the highest degree in the celestial kingdom.
Great topic! What do I do to act? I home-school my six children, teach them the principles of liberty, and exercise them as far as I can without being locked in a cage. I definitely push the limits and question my "authorities." The Amish are great examples of living in liberty. They live what they teach and have figured out how to work with the government to live pretty well as they like, exercising their right to live as they choose, which is unconventional.
AMEN!!!
I highly doubt my stake or ward would be so bold and patriotic to have a talk on the Constitution cuz..... politics. 🙄🤦♂️ But the constitution is not perfect nor adequate to enforce those rights. And we shouldnt be worshipping it.
Voting is still technically an act (one could skip it), but an act whose informational content is reduced to, in the case of one race, a mere literal single bit, 1 or 0.
Just got here from watching a Lavader Video. If this does not convince me in the superiority of democracy, consider me a monarchist.👑
I know we can’t go back but I often wonder what would have happened if the founding fathers would have listen to the original host of this land and used more of their way in regards to government political and economic systems the haudenosaunee people did what they could to help the founding fathers with the constitution but they left out some important components of governance !! The haudenosaunee lived the law of consecration and had balance in government (checks and balances) and an economic system that helped them thrive together as 5 nations in one !!
Our problem today is the opposite of the jews. We don't revere our ancestors or their teachings enough, the teachings that built civilization. We think we are more enlightened and know better than Brigham Young and other early church leaders. And you are now seeing the rotten fruit we are getting today because of it.
We should honor every single thing they taught if we want to save ourselves and our families.
This was inevitable Joseph said if we don’t start and maintain the council of 50 and live the law of consecration the saints would be doomed !! This was the reason the lord lead the saints to the west so that they could start the kingdom of god because that didn’t happen we have what we have today !! To me it’s like we live the lower law (law of Moses) government and economic system But I’ve also had this thought that it’s by design because the lord will be like ok “are you ready to do this my way now” so we have to experience this lower law way of living to then repent and do it the lords way (a swing and a miss) we could have done this on our own or we will be forced to do this !! On our own is the lords way (learning liberty and freedom ) or be forced to live this way (communism Satan way )
@@irajones9952 besides we in no way shape or form live the lower law. We have become a law unto ourselves. That's the law we live, and then call it God's law. Can you tell me what laws of God we live, I'd like to know?
@@holyroller4391 the law of gravity !! We all follow that !! lol 😂 I hoping I’m understanding you but I think what your saying is we as humans make up the laws as we go along and then call them “gods laws” right ? What I’ve been trying to do lately is understand what truth is and means because if I can understand what god says on the matter then I can do a better job to align myself with that truth !! But truth is a tricky too !! Just like anybody else I’m experimenting to figure things out !!
@@irajones9952 your correct. And I would say the only reason truth is tricky is because of all the precepts of men. If one became as a little child, nearly all truth would be had. That is intelligently applying scripture for what it is. Good luck in your quest. 👍
@@holyroller4391 no thank you !! stay on me to keep me straight !! lol 😂
Nice
All I'm thinking about while you are quoting the forefathers' statements regarding the Federalist Papers, Declaration of Independence, and Constitution, is how many courthouses have had the 10 Commandments removed from their premises. How basic are the 10 Commandments for establishing basic rules for a stable society, yet the extremists of society had them removed in the name of freedom. Ironic and depressing and really shameful.
The scripture actually refers to two constitutions; the constitution of the land is the US constitution and the constitution of the people refers to the constitution of Missouri at the time.
This is why God says he established the one but only suffered the other to be established.
References?
How many were asked to speak on Open Doors to Federal Courts Day?
I'm sorry, but I thought Sunday was a day to focus on God, not country. Discussing politics is important, but during church?
Do you think that God is involved in our politics?
You mean, like survival of the fittest? Yeah, I can see that not causing any pain.
What would a talk on adultery do over the pulpit? I bet you wouldn't get more than a few minutes before they kicked you off. Connor how can people repent if they don't know what they are doing is an abomination? Pride cometh before the fall.
Read the scriptures. They might not allow it over the pulpit in front of Children, but these topics definitely get covered in the second hour.
@@yellowballoon4143 this is coming from someone indoctrinated in the lies of this adulterous generation obviously. No offense. Read the scriptures don't listen to what men think is correct. Take your own advice and you won't fail
@@yellowballoon4143 not anymore in most wards....the manuals are dumbed down and your luvky if you have a teacher who dives into much of anything that might make people uncomfortable...adultery is rarely talked about anymore at church
@@wufflerdance9481 agreed! one of themostpsiritual men in our ward gave a talk on the evils of abortion in sacrament. the blow back from some members was most abominable! disgusting!!! it's way past time for GOd to clean HIs own house and it's gonna get even dirtier.
@@wufflerdance9481 I taught the high school seniors and I was a deep diver in the scriptures.......I am no longer a Sunday school teacher 🤷🏿♀️
Correction: Emma, Joseph’s only public wife. 😊
Joseph had one wife. If anyone accuses him of lying to Emma and the Saints, you better be sure.
@@KellyKoerper Many women claimed to be sealed to him as his wife.
@@oshemer5066 So what.
@@KellyKoerperAre you implying those women were lying? Their testimony was so convincing that it led Joseph Smith III to doubt his own mother’s denials of plural marriage. You say be careful about claims regarding Joseph Smith. I agree. I don’t think you should cherry pick the evidence. Let’s look at all the evidence.
You asked about a list of principles upon with to establish free government. That should easy. The list that God gave us is the commandments and sayings of Jesus. Duh!! God says, "If you will make a covenant with me to keep my commandments, and my sayings in the new covenant, I, the Lord will bless you with freedom, peace, protection, provision, prosperity, health, wisdom, knowledge and understanding, longevity, and fertility for your wives, flocks and herds and in the crops of the field. If you do not follow my instruction, and break my covenant, you have no promise and you will suffer the natural consequences of the broken law." The importance of keeping the commandments and sayings of Jesus cannot be overlooked. We have a constitution that guarantees our peace and freedom as long as we worship the true and living God and make him, (Jesus) the God of this land, and as long as we do not have graven images. The main causes for which we are about to lose our constitution is the fact that most people do not accept Jesus as the God of this and do not keep his commandments. Our nation has become a idolatrous nation from the idol of liberty in New York harbor to the idol of Lucifer that stands in the Visitor's centers of the LDS church, which image has become the icon of the church. If the LDS people do not repent and get rid of the Idolatry supported by the criminals in church government, it will not matter if Trump wins. This people cannot continue to thumb their noses at God and expect him to protect our peace and freedom. Our job as citizens of the kingdom of God is to teach the commandments and sayings of Jesus and to preach repentance and baptize as many as repent.
I don’t agree with voting being reactive. Not if you are an engaged citizen doing stuff as you mention. While not everyone can do that. But you can help and learn in other ways. So maybe they vote at the last minute but they are doing other things where they are acting to help society. This is why we can’t stay in our homes and read the scriptures.
30:15 wait a sec, is Connor Boyack a polygamy denier??
Edit: I spelled his name wrong
I’m wondering as well
Take a peek at his video on June 12, 2022
A Joseph Smith polygamy denier. Big difference in meaning. I had to chuckle when I heard him say it here. Anyway, the evidence is there. Joseph did not practice, teach, or condone polygamy. Yea, for Connor doing his research!
@@permaprepper8130do you believe section 132 is revelation? If so you might want to reread verses 1-6 a few more times. I've reread a verse over 50 times before I actually understood what it meant. Preconceived notions are powerful.
Is “denier” just a word thrown around by people who do no research and just accept the mainstream narrative?
“Deniers” seem to be right just about every time someone labels them as such.
Talk on the Constitution? Isn’t that a taboo topic in most places?
I’m surprised you were asked to you can’t talk about that stuff in my ward people get upset they only like sugar and cream topics
Latter-day Saints and Evangelicals almost worship the US constitution; especially Latter-day Saints. It is unhealthy and causes allot of pain.
What alternative do you suggest?
Because it secures liberty. The gospel is based on liberty. Do you have a better plan?
@@asarg1776 Real liberty is to be free from sin. The chains of sin is the true tyranny of the world. “Thus, a good man, though a slave, is free; but a wicked man, though a king, is a slave. For he serves, not one man alone, but what is worse, as many masters as he has vices.” Saint Augustine of Hippo
The US constitution is a man made document. Its inspiration from God is propaganda. Voting for representatives will always lead to the best charlatans winning.
What would be healthy and cause less pain?
@@georgemartin1383 If the words of prophets AND THE LORD are propaganda then I guess call it propaganda…
“Every Latter-day Saint should love the inspired Constitution of the United States-a nation with a spiritual foundation and a prophetic history-which nation the Lord has declared to be his base of operations in these latter days.
The framers of the Constitution were men raised up by God to establish this foundation of our government, for so the Lord has declared by revelation in these words:
“I established the Constitution of this land, by the hands of wise men whom I raised up unto this very purpose, and redeemed the land by the shedding of blood.” (D&C 101:80; italics added.)
-Ezra Taft Benson
Humans are not perfect obviously. But He lets us be involved and help with His purposes. We have liberty so that we can freely CHOOSE Him. You’re referencing freedom from sin. Awesome. That is our aim. But the Constitution is about a liberty to choose liberty you could say.
My dad owned a Rambler back when I was a kid ... but wow, nothing like this!!! On the bright side, it's the sabbath day, a day of rest, and now i'm very much ready to take a nap!