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Just what was Marine thinking with that Shinkiro MV with Gura [hololive] [ENG sub]
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- Опубліковано 19 сер 2024
- Gura ate Marine (literal) (figurative) (affectionate)
Source (2023-11-13):
【裏話！！！】昭和歌謡祭＆SHINKIROの制作秘話など！【ホロライブ/宝鐘マリン】 • 【裏話！！！】昭和歌謡祭＆SHINKIROの...
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Houshou Marine / @houshoumarine
Thanks to @Noodlebrain for the QC!
#vtuber #hololive #VTuberEN
![Fubuki exposes Marine and Kanata's night of sin (feat. Mio) [hololive] [ENG sub]](/img/n.gif)
If all y'all want to see the music video Marine talks about as being the fundamental inspiration for this entire project, here you go: ua-cam.com/video/hIkiVLjeFyE/v-deo.html
Fair warning: She describes it for you here. It's got shock value for sure. Also, the part about the mermaid being stuck in a bathtub? What's likely going on there is she's mixing up memories-there's a manga called オレん家のフロ事情 aka _Merman in my Tub._ There's a crossover of details between that and the music video so it's not surprising they got mixed together.
I am convinced this is it. Warning: it's worse than she describes.
OH SWEET NO
lol it is so cringe, exactly something I would expect Marine to enjoy
Why she put her foot in his guts?
@@zipzopthecat9690That's the $10 question isn't it. Probably some reference that I'm just not familiar with, cultural or whatever.
Marine - "And at the end we have sex"
Gura - "Let her cook"
Lammy: You're the dish tho~
Well, at the end of the MV it was Gura who "ate" Marine >///>@@DianaProudmoore
@Bloddrake a long time ago marine said "im a pirate shes a shark i want her to eat me"
now she made her wish come true... and more
Shion: Marine, you ecchi sketchy one touchy!
Lamy: Gura is too pure!
Me: Lamy is too pure...
Pure like 40% abv
I wonder if Lamy knows of Senzawa
Pure spirytus.
Gura's usually pretty subtle about her references from the perspective of a non-native english speaker. Plus there's the separation of character presentation and reality.
Literally the words out of my mouth
“She’s too pure to know what you did to her” are you sure about that Lamy?
This is probably how we sound when we talk about some of the JP girls lol
Gura: I watch feet porn before bed last night lol
JPbros: I don't understand what she say, but that definitely sounds wholesome and cute, she's totally pure and seiso
@@edenromanovna, we know how they are. They are comedians after all.
Not all JP girls know Gura as well as Marine and Shion does. Maybe even Okayu included since they have all spent more time together. You have to learn she is cute but also very cultured
@@infinite-sadness Pekora number one comedian
Lamy: "gura is too pure to know what you did to here, bringing her to bed like that."
Gura and the chumbuds: *pfffft giggling*
Gura is the 2nd most Seiso in Myth, 3rd when Myth and CouncilRyS combined.
@@CG13FLmao you sure about that?
@@CG13FBro has never watched a single Goob stream
@@RevyaAeinsetthard to watch someone who never streams
@@xerofire ok, try rank Seiso in Myth and CouncilRyS
Marine outdid herself again, and we finally get Gura doing original city pop which is perfectly fitting. It’s nice to know some of her thought process, and it’s reassuring to know that me going from “cute, cute, cute” to “whaaat” was the intention. Thank you for the translation
Gura does have an original city pop song she sang and connect the world
@@MrJcTTK Full Color, yeah we are waiting for the MV. It is a good song
@@MrJcTTKohhh true, I completely forgot about that. I do hope we get the MV or something to listen to it soon
@@remforrest Yeah, one of the features of city pop is a cool MV. Really takes you down nostalgia lane.
Epic
Okayu will be mad jealous lol, I could imagine everyone question Marine like Lamy outburst
Not just Okayu; Shion well also be mad jealous that Senchou was the first one to sleep with Goobs.
@@KingOfYamimakai Oh that's right lol
@@KingOfYamimakaiShe is Gura's wife afterall.
@@KingOfYamimakai
Insert Fubuki...
Fubuki: Ya be.
When you have senchou and goobs singing city pop, nothing can go wrong
God, that mv and the song are so good, i can't stop listening to it
100% agree.
Never knew how much i wanted this song to exist.
I play it so frequently while doing work.
The song fits the mv so well, gives it a nostalgic look
idk man the song ain't my style i hate slow songs, but the animation is fantastic
@@daniellox1fucking zoomer (jk, everyone is free to like what they like and dislike what they dislike).
@@daniellox1true, i respect it, some genre music isn't for anyone after all
i love hearing how the JP girls really adore gura. and it's always funny how many see her as this super pure and innocent being.
Of course she's pure and innocent she was made in a lab
That's because the japanese term "seiso" means "pure from lewdness". You can be the most evil, yandere, mischievous character but if you don't look sexy or perceiving you as sexy seems wrong or acting lewd is awkward and isn't just part of your image, you are seiso. And that is why Mumei is also seiso.
gura really isn't seiso...@@RejectHumanityReturn2Monke
@@Aestareth_ We know, JP talents don't
@@RejectHumanityReturn2Monke One of her first stream, she use a presidential stance in a game, and called round light on ceiling "boobies". Definitively not seiso
You can always tell which of the JP girls haven't watched translated clips of Gura, because they always think she's so pure. xD
its like when en viewers only watch a few clips of one of the jp holomemz... they dont get the whole picture
YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, THIS IS WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR !!!! THANK YOU FOR TRANSLATING AND MAKING THIS VIDEO. Since I can't speak any Japanese and would love to listen to Marine's explanation about Shinkiro from that stream a few days ago, this video is heaven-sent. Thank you so much.
Yeah, the part where Gura ate Marine definitely made me go "what the ...?".
For me it was like ...
"LMAO Red Gura eating Marine, that's kinda sus, lol, yab- AYOOOOOO THEY ACTUALLY DID IT! THEY DID THE DEED!"
Let my glorious Pirate Queen Cook. Her brilliance knows no bounds
When Marine wakes up in a shared bed after dreaming of getting devoured, nothing needs explained to me.
@@ManusiaKagakRusuh My interpretation was that the bed scene was kinda like a dream similar to the white lights some see at the end of their life, since it had a white-ish effect over it and we see Gura swim off in the distance later. And Marine bringing up those dark stories makes me think that I was right. But I guess we’ll never know what the canon interpretation is lol.
My thoughts when it went from red Gura eating Marine to an immediate cut to them together in bed was like "Oh so it went down like THAT"
Imagine Marine, Gura, and each their managers, sit together ...
And Marine suddenly say "Wouldn't it be funny if I and Gura have sex" ...
and everyone giving "wtf" expression ...
Then Gura goes
"ayo that's f*cked up, I'm in"
Marine's impression of Lamy is actually really good lmao
Would love to see a Lamy impression battle
Marine couldn't have picked a better person for this.
Gura and her absolutely killed it.
Lamy would be horrified and/or in absolute disbelief if someone were to tell her in 100% seriousness that Gura could keep up with her boozing.
Oh boi, the drinkin goblin
We don't mention those days. Our Gremlin is happy "sober" now. 🙇
Thank you so much for this translation. I love to hear Marine thought process of his AMV, but not many clippers make clips about this. If you can also make some clips about his thoughts of her last 3d live (4th aniversary) i will be forever grateful to you. Senchou is really a genius artist, its crazy how she can convey his ideas so clearly in anything she does. ( sorry if i make mistakes, english is not my native language)
yeah, there's so little clipper about marine, even when her kumarine blow up on twitter nobody clipped it, idk what that's about, i just know there's so many cute fan art about it lol
@@mordecaibloodwings Makes me miss ShabbySubz, easily the best Marine clipper back in the day. You’re right that there aren’t many clippers that consistently post Marine content these days. Really happy to have come across this clip
Yup that ending really make everyone question about it
I was like "Wait, why are they both naked in bed?"
SEGGG
Thank you for the translation, I am glad Marine got her story. The MV was awesome and the song was beautiful.
I'm just glad to see Gura is doing alright
Same, she hasn't forgotten about us, chumbuddy. She's out there, happy, and doing her best.
"I like Gura's singing the most"
I totally get this. If you ask me who's the best singers, Suisei, Moona, Nerissa, etc. But Gura is my favorite to listen to. Idk how to put it other than, her singing voice carries her personality.
i've seen a lot of people say this and i agree. from a technical level several singers are more capable than gura, but gura is the one i most enjoy listening to sing
Many are more technical but none make me feel as much.
I thinks it's because you can hear just how much fun she has singing. Add to that a very pleasant singing voice, good technique and a dash of cheekyness and it's always an experience.
gura wears her heart on her sleeve when she starts singing. you can just feel all the emotions and her ad libs are also great.
i think she's just a natural born performer
Gura is probably hands down the most "talented". If she has a weakness its that she has a cuter voice and not a powerful voice. Otherwise I don't know why she isn't talked about more when discussing the top singers. Something that always blows me away is when you listen to some of the slowed down clips of her live karaoke streams and its .....its fucking perfect. Flawless even. Professionals usually can't do that.
Its so funny how the JP senpais think Gura is seiso
Its like JP think Calli is cool and edgy, while for Westerners she comes like a big goofy dork.
A very different perception based on culture.
@@ShadowSumacOh, yeah? Is that what you think about Calli? Well... My dad could beat up your dad.
that Lamy impression was perfect
We see Marine get nommed by red Gura, Marine shows up in bed with red Gura, then we see blue Gura swimming away.
Maybe it's intentionally ambiguous, but it sure looks to me like Gura ate Marine, maybe so they could "be together forever."
Then there's the other type of 'eating' which gets a little implied by the two in bed immediately following. ...but I'll leave it at that.
Considering Marine's treasured Ship-in-a-bottle was floating alone in the sea? It's sadly true that Marine ultimately dies by getting nommed by Gura.
There's no reason she would leave that alone, It was her dream to be a Pirate in the Animation "If you didn't catch that"
I believe she did literally eat Marine. It's pretty much confirmed by what she's saying in this clip. The scene with Marine and Red Gura naked in bed is a reference to a common trope in anime, where the purest essence of a person is naked in a metaphysical or surreal landscape. This usually represents something like their spirit, psyche or mind. When they're with another person this is a symbolic representation of vulnerability, direct mental contact, or a stripping away of social and psychological barriers. Basically, she was literally eaten and her mind and spirit are mentally connected with Red Gura (who exists within Blue Gura).
At least that's what I think.
@@latemanparodius5133 You are aware that idea (eating = oral sex) only exists in English slang. In Japanese it's クンニ (Kunni for cunnilingus) or マンコ舐め (Vagina Licking). Since those terms aren't about eating, and everyone (besides Gura) is Japanese. I'm going to have to say this is not very likely.
@@Jeremy_FisherI think you're right on the money with this
I agree with Marine, Gura is my favorite singing voice in all of Hololive. She has a very soothing singing voice, and I can't really explain it. I love how cute and funny Gura is, but above all else, I just want to listen to her sing more. I listen to AI covers, but it's not the same. I want more chill Gura karaokes and songs.
I have a feeling that Gura's taking a break from streaming because she wants to focus on really improving her singing. She had mentioned it before and her latest karaoke stream was really a big improvement over her already strong voice. I'm really looking forward to what she wants to do next.
@@agentchuck2I'm super excited too. Gura manages to keep surprising us even when she barely shows up on streams anymore. She's always had that sneaky mischievous gremlin energy, this blue, little, shark, goblin, and sometimes cat girl.
I used to think she was overrated, but on second thought it's just that she's not my favourite (strictly personal opinion), as much as I'll give her credit for the quality MV with Marine.
I love hearing her thought process, and she is so good at explaining clearly. It's reassuring to know the huh moment was exactly intended.... And knowing marine I had some thoughts in the back of my head that she might have been aiming for that😅
I really respect Senchou for this. She's got a cute and super interesting voice, but her ability to explain things so clearly and make it entertaining to listen to at the same time is definitely special. She's got maxed out communication skills. I guess that's to be expected, in order to direct an MV as cool as that, you'd need to be able to get your idea across to so many different people. That's a genuine talent.
I'm soo thankful for Senchou for bringing Goob in this project and finally giving the chumbies Goob's og city pop song!! Senchou really knows whay she is doing with that marvelous mv😏
Thank you for this translation. Also, Gura very based for allowing Marine freedom of creativity. Absolute banger MV with great singing and animation.
so what do you think of shinkiro?
Translation notes:
0:03 Showa is the Japanese era from 1926 to 1989, covering the period of the reign of emperor Hirohito. When one refers to Showa music, they are usually referring to the songs of the post-war era, mostly those from the kayoukyoku and enka genres. I've elected to use the term "retro" to refer to Showa music in other instances where Marine says Showa in this clip.
1:25 Natsumi Step is a flash animation from the 2000s where a girl goes on a ride meeting mascot characters of 2channel to an upbeat remix of "I've Been Working on the Railroad", but closer inspection reveals that all is not as it seems. I won't spoil it - you can go watch it on UA-cam here if you're interested ( ua-cam.com/video/g5Bz2aIcdzk/v-deo.html ). It's just 2 minutes long.
1:57~ Apparently the bathtub mermaid is a whole trope in itself and there are, so, many, instances of this trope in modern media. I haven't been able to find the exact music video Marine refers to here, so if you think you know what she's talking about here, please let me know.
Loved it. Whether the bed scene itself was the whole thing that shocked the room or if she wanted to imply something darker, the ambiguity of the ending allows a lot of theories to work that putting a canon on would just take away from the art of it. Once out of the artist's hands, the viewer may interpret it in ways they find meaningful, and even make the creator look at things from a new point of view. At that point, it's easier to just let people enjoy it their own way then telling them how to do so.
The only song i can think of that deals with a Mermaid is Mermaid Rhapsody by Sekai No Owari.
Edit: Ok, so, that's definitely NOT it.
I think that song is "tasogare havmand" by Haru Uchida. The mermaid who appears is a boy, but there is a depiction of the mermaid's leg being cut in two.
Mermaid in a bathtub is probably from the 80s film mermaid isn't it? The one where the guy discovers hia new gf is a mermaid
Hirohito era best japanese era
When it comes to City Pop... always go to the City Pop Shark.
They made an *original* City Pop song, and it's a banger
I know that Shinkiro was the main highlight, but honestly, I love Gura and Marine's rendition of Stay With Me. I can't really describe it well but Gura's voice just sounds really good in that song (as well as Marine, of course.) It's just one of those performances where you can listen to it several times and not get tired of it ✨
For me its Nerissa and Marine
Gura is probably the best city pop singer in Hololive bar none. Even Marine
@@johnbradshaw3001I would say Marine and Gura are pretty close, I am a huge fan of both but I know that no one else comes close to them except maybe Nerissa which I have heard some of her PL city pop.
@@remforrest i have heard them too. I love those songs she sang ngl. But nothing compares to the first time I heard Gura sang Plastic Love.
@@johnbradshaw3001 she can sing so many genres, but it does really seem to be where her specialty lies
ngl I thought that Gawr "devouring" Marine transitioning into the bed scene was supposed to be indicative of Gura being the initiator in that scenario...
Went from best friends to friends with benefits :3
Not really it's quite literal, she got eaten, and became an spirt inside gura, that's why its an white space, you can see the real gura diving deeper into the sea at the end.
@@stefthorman8548damn, this shit has Vore and I thought it was wholesome
Its normal she does not remember. Its has been 30 years.
"gura is too pure". bruh.
*LAUGHS IN THE MOST (NOT) DURNK COUNTRY ROAD SINGING~*
Well, I for sure gave the reaction Marine was expecting because at the start of the MV I was like, "Aw how cute they're bff's." But by the end of the MV my reaction slowly changed to "wtf was that?" because I did not expect the lewd hand holding and the fact Marine woke up in bed beside Gura. At the same time also being nostalgic with that 80's vibe.
Ah, I knew from how Marine was and the heart eyes that she was desperately attracted to Gura from the first glance. A happy, adorable summer/short fling that the song reminisces on and wished didn't end. Felt like Marine at the end thought it wasn't quite as reciprocated (emotionally) until she got 'eaten' by Gura, as I took the bed handholding and the light shift in it to show Marine taking the 'lead' into that portion. Gura, right before she was about to leave, being able to reciprocate and lead it herself seemed to make it a happier moment for Marine, as it showed to her that Gura was just as invested into it as she was. Short or not, it was wonderful for both, which is why I think it turns nostalgic and happier towards the end.
Edit: Of course, this is sort of the 'romanticized' ending I guess, as some people kinda rightly pointed out that the mermaid MV she described would make it that Gura ACTUALLY ate her. Which...I can see that as well very plainly now too.
Hearing about her love for cute animations and things that turn dark and how happy she talked and giggled while mentioning the disturbing mermaid story made me wonder. If Marine could speak English really well that she would probably love Mumei and her whole vibe. From cute things turning dark to having quite the same vocal range as Gura some of the time(Although I have to admit that Gura and Mooms do have diff singing voices)
Poor JP senpais, thinking that Gura is seiso
She is so smol JP members thinks she still a child
@@Kiriemy Gura can be shy, especially when in a different country where she can't speak the language. It's no surprise that this would give a different impression when they meet her
Well she succeeded in making a story that would live in my heart
jp really have the wrong impression of what kind of creature gura is... gura being called to pure... yeah pure enough to put someone in a jar...
Has Lamy being too hung over to forget that Goobs isn't pure. She goes commando and from time to time talk about not so pure stuff. Even if she can't understand what Goobs is saying she can easily find clips with Japanese subtitles to figure out what she's saying or ask PolPol when watch a shit ton of HoloEN clips during her down time.
I think for the most part, whatever clips the jp girls see of Gura is just regarding her cuteness.
gura, too pure?
oh lamy, pure sweet lamy-chan.
The mv has the same romantic energy as adolescence of utena, which I'm all for.
leaving the story up to interpretation is definitely the best choice, almost always is imo.
100%
Thanks for the clip! Really loved hearing Marine’s creative process behind the Shinkiro AMV
for me it was more like "Wow. Cute. Adoraable. Eh.... Yuri!??? :O"
For me it was more “Oh wow yuri?” “OH WOW YURI!!!!!” 😂
Me, a yuri enjoyer: *WOOOOOOO YEEEAAAH BABY THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR, THAT'S WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT WOoOoOoOoOo~*
It's not, but believe what you want.
Marine: "You're free to think whatever you want~"
Translation: "I wrote my name down there and I won't tell you how!"
So when Gura "eats" Marine it's literally?? Like, now they're together forever? I actually found it strange that the room is all white, as if it were in heaven
Heaven is Gura's stomach.
@@RecidivousBecause she also ate that for some reason. Gura apparently has a spooky ethereal digestion that can preserve the souls of prey.
@@hesiod_delta9209 Sounds about on brand given how freaky the actual JP mermaid lore can get
2:46 and she nailed it
Thanks for the translations! Her Lamy impression is really good lol
I feel like she definitely made what she was looking to make
Instantly got City Hunter vibes from the MV. Ah, i'm old.
This may be the first clip I've seen of her where she isn't speaking at machine gun speed.
What i love about Marine is her talent for communication. When she's trying to clearly get a point across, I've noticed she's very particular about her words and speaks clearly. And when she's just having fun and rambling, speed goes up to 1000 wpm 😅
Masterpiece
It should have been me!- Lamy, probably.
So... did anyone find out what MV was Marine talking about? The one that inspired her to make Shinkiro's MV.
To me ending is that Gura didn’t want to say goodbye so she ate Marine to bring her along and the bed scene is Marine’s afterlife dream.
Shinkiro is a perfect style for both Marine and Gura, at least in terms of audio. 80's city pop really suits both of them.
And I really hope Marine does more Showa era type performances. Especially with Fubuki and Mio as MCs. They're the icing on the cake.
honestly it's not surprising some other jp members got jealous over this lmao
Gura has my favourite voice in EN and Marine's voice in my favourite in JP, so this song really means a lot to me. Those two are just remarkable in everything they do. It's not surprising that they get along so well.
Instead of having to let go of a good friend...why not eat them and have them be with you forever lol...The Denji route from chainsaw man lol, thats the first thing that popped into my head at the end of the mv.
Plus if you look into JP mermaid lore it's kind of a right horror show in the first place. Mind you so was the Western on until Andersen and Disney did dubcon things with it...
She *definitely* captured the feeling of "Huh, what?" that she was going for
I like how Lamy is concerned for Gura
a jealous lamy is cute
In resume, Lamy wanted to swap places with Gura on that one. Knowing Marine is her oshi too.
I didn't know about Natsumi Step...now I'm depressed. Thanks Marine XD
It's nice to know that the video was very intentionally supposed to have a weird ending. I wondered if I was missing something.
Gura: A~ 😂
"So this time I thought of a story that would make you watch and go 'uh, what did I just watch?'"
Well, mission accomplished, senchou.
"Here's the scence... There's been lots of talk about this..."
Meanwhile the subreddit: GEX
Ah yes. The r/yurimemes
To the JP side, Gura is a pure and innocent child.
To us, she's Goob the gobelin.
Thank you for the translations
Gura has the showa/city pop/ Frank sanatra singing voice is it’s easy to see why Marine is a big fan of her singing. Gooba has those sultry tones 😆
LAMY: She is too pure to know what you did
SENCHOU: the dish is to be tasted as a whole, not in parts xd
GURA: A well that was Gura in 2020
Lol, her Lamy impression is pretty good.
😱Our Young Beautiful Idol President CEO is such a wise business woman Gura knows whatever Marine decides will be genius 🙏
Lamy: "She's too pure."
Apparently Lamy never watched any of Senzawa's videos.
Truly enlightened Yuri enthusiasts instantly understand what Marine was going for with the ending yes yes
It's always funny when jp girls think that Gura is this cute and innocent creature. And then someone translates her shit and they are amazed by the contrast.
Two absolute monsters of the industry.
Pretty friggin cool
Lamy : damn... That should be me, not her.
My reaction was...
Ahh, yes Marine finally made a song about simping for Gura...
I love Senchou so much
But my life, my love and my lady is the sea.
Her Lamy impression is really good
Does anyone know what video was Marine referencing? The one with the mermaid?
There is another way to look at end that is a lot darker, she mentioned the tale about a mermaid chopping off her tail right? What about: shark, literally eating Senchou so she can "always be with her" or "be a part of her"?
That's what I thought.
Not even far-fetched given how weird the actual JP mermaid legends are. I know there's an ongoing yuri manga that grabs the "human-eating monster" aspect and runs with it for ex, and it's not exactly implausible Marine knows that one too because I'm seeing some thematic similarities here...
Marine made art. Respect.
The real answer is "seeeeeegggg-"
we need to bring back this city pop style! mix retro with new!
I imagine people who animated OVA VHS tapes got together and decided to live the good old days. This takes me back to a much more innocent time in my life. Everything felt more magical back then.
This also makes me thick of the DiC dub of Sailor Moon S. They had to invent euphemisms to describe the relationship between Neptune and Uranus.
1:23 I get what Marine is saying, to be honest, and I know saying this is quite taboo in the grand scheme of things, but going along with what marine is talking about, when I was watching the mv, I honestly really thought this was like a send off music video and Gura was like going to graduate or something lol. It had that bittersweet feeling of having fun with Gura and sending her off, it really scared me lol, but i'm glad that was not the case and that was me reading WAY too much into it, but she really nailed that feeling.
Seems that Marine is remembering the movie Splash.
Did anyone find the music video marine references?
“Gura is too pure”
Lol, lmao
Gura knew what she was doing lolz
🤣😂😭 this unique pirate is the greatest! Also, Lamy is definitely one of the mother’s of Hololive 🤣😂😭
Wamy: gira is too pure!!
Us: you sure about that??
So shes the reason our guras pureness got destroyed.........lets just hope she dint make guba sad....
this is easily the best hololive original song to date
Gura one of the most yabai in EN but gets off scott free cu she's cute