Alfred is the goat, he's one of the only few people who can stand up to Bruce and tell him what it is and not afraid to fight people who could kill him like joker or bane. Not to mention he's not just a father to Bruce but the rest of the bat family. Favorite Alfred centered comic was the one with the family coming together after Alfred funeral telling stories of when he helped them out and was there he's the glue that keeps this family together.
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If they’re not planning on aging up Bruce then I’d say bring Alfred back, if they actually want to progress Batman, leave him dead, although his death was disrespectful imo
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I may be the one person who will say this. Alfred can die. HOWEVER! It has to be done right, like Alfred saving Batman from something that was meant for him and him alone. That being said If Alfred has to die, someone else as to fill or equal the role that was left. Honestly if Jim saw how fucked up Bats was now and became the glue that Alfred was (honestly with a little more harsh tones if I'm real) I could be fine with that. Every other time though Alfred needs to be there for the Bat-Family, cause he is the family that they all need and is the only person who can make Batman, Bruce once more.
Alfred either has to die by saving batman or in something completely natural 100% unrelated to the cowl and crime, a heart attack or something, I could accept it even if hurted, the way he was killed is such a bad one
Of all the runs that have come since the end of King’s, I’ve liked Zdarsky’s the best in part because he’s actually touched on Alfred’s absence. One of the key parts of the Failsafe storyline was that Alfred was supposed to be there to stop it from activating in case Bruce was framed. He was the failsafe for failsafe, and the fact that Failsafe did so much damage is just a testament to Alfred’s importance.
I agree. Alfred's presence or lack thereof really hurts the Bat-family in more ways than one and now without Alfred to deactivate the Failsafe protocol, it looks like things aren't looking too good for Batman and the rest of the Bat-family.
DC: we kill someone and bring em back later Fans: STOP bringing people back to life! Make deaths matter! DC: we kill Alfred. Fans: wait bring him back, why isn't he back?!
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No, Alfred should not be brought back. Too much time has passed since he died and the world has moved on from it. The only way that could rightfully bring Alfred back the next proper continuity reboot.
Agreed. Alfred's been an important and integral part of the Bat-family and his death was actually something I've really couldn't get over it. The way Bane killed him and the fact that Damien was forced to watch really screwed us over. I know Alfred's death is meant for Batman to have some character growth but he's practically a father figure to Bruce and the other Robins and the other DC heroes too. DC needs to bring Alfred back since Batman is probably going to face some troubles in the future and it might not look pretty.
I love Alfred, absolutely adore him... but he should stay dead. We're meant to grieve and miss his loss as much as the characters do. And it's an interesting scenario. I think a lot of writers were able to explore his absence really well, especially in Nightwing, Robin and Batman & Robin.
Alfred is (in my opinion) the greatest supporting character in Batman. And him dying is just strange. I do think it can work but only if it’s set in the far future. But even then you get a replacement. Tim and Dick take over as the moral center and Barbra (if you go down the Oracle route) as the tech support. Personally I think it would be fun if Mr. Freeze took that role after Alfred dies.
@@totalfree8740 He and Batman (at least in more modern stories) are enemies by choice more by chance and circumstance. I like to think Bruce helps Freeze save his wife and that’s how Freeze repays Bruce. I was also inspired by White Knight.
I like how his absence is felt as much as his presence, to me Chip is doing a great job with his death. I don't need him to come back till bro thinks he is good, you know, till he feels he did all he wanted to cause it will probably never happen again
Didn’t even register how long Alfred’s been dead for. I hope that the descent to darkness Bruce has had has a purpose and not just a desire to make the character edgy. Feels like it will lead to a grandiose return.
I only accept Alfred being dead once Bruce hits like 60 anything earlier is nonsense, great video this week lads, he could never have a partner in the streets but he needs someone to confide in at some point during his journey and from a writing standpoint it makes sense to have a character that has knowledge of Batman since birth and can fill in the gaps when needed for the story or adding new lore. Congrats on 20k subs 🎉👍
Alfred is absolutely the most important supporting character for Bruce. He raised Bruce and has been his support his whole life. Killing him off was definitely the wrong choice, bring him back DC I beg 😞
I mean yes that's certainly been the status quo for Alfred for decades but let's not forget that that's how he started out. Originally he was Alfred Beagle who came to work for Batman well after he was Batman and Robin was there already and never raised him. I do absolutely agree that Alfred has since become one of the most essential supporting characters, but I still would say that Lois Lane is still the best one in comics.
You are so right! I want Alfred back, and as Chip seems to be returning bits and pieces to Bruce (like his money, a home for the Batfamily, etc.), I'm hoping Alfred will be one of those pieces returned, too. I don't know how, and I really don't care, just bring Alfred back! And of course it was DiDio. No further explanation needed.
My father watched his whole family fall apart after his great grandmother passed away. They all separated off to their own little groups. After her funeral they all began to fight. It's been 16 years since she passed so in all likelihood half of them are dead. My dad only calls his sisters and his one first cousin. So it's accurate to how a family can fall apart after someone's death
I'm kind of glad that we get to talk about just how wild Batman has gotten with no Alfred as a moral compass. While this is a bit OOC but Injustice to me was the biggest example of just how badly Bruce needs Alfred. Alfred was always the guiding hand serving in Bruce's corner over Bruce's relationship with Damian, doing his best to have the father son duo to talk after so many horrible communicational issues.
I agree with the line of thought that if they're going to try to progress his character leave him dead. If they aren't going to do that then they don't need to keep him dead.
I love Alfred, he’s a staple to the Batman universe. But come on, let death be death. Batman is finally growing as a character, we don’t need a regression. If Alfred comes back he’ll be back to doing all of Batman’s needs while Bruce sits in his cave and hunches over his keyboard. Make the man do his own damn dishes. Alfred has served his purpose but everyone and everything ends and dies.
If it makes the characters go through changes and they come out of it better then before they started im all for not bringing him back or all that work they did gets ripped away from them
Alfred is integral to Batman and the bat family. But I say leave him dead, at least for a good while. We've had 80 years with him, lets see what stories can be told in his absence. Bringing him back kind of makes his death meaningless, and Batman has enough of a family now to move on without Alfred. Everyone has to lose thier parents/grandparents at some point, even the Bat-Family. If the Bat-Family survives and prospers with Alfred gone, it means he did a great job giving them the skills and love they needed while he was alive.
Alfred’s death hurt me to my heart. I wanted to cry when I read that issue…I feel like he has transcended mere supporting character status. Hopefully DC editorial will get their crap together & find a pathway to bringing him back.
The only way I'm getting back into Batman is if they turn him into the punisher and it takes the entire bat family to bring him in. They killed Alfred. Taken wayne manor. Taken his fortune. Taken his company. Jim Gordon is no longer commissioner. Let Bats crashout.
Bruh people complain about Death not being permanent in comics but now that Alfred's Death you want him back? also you could literally say the same thing about Aunt May who is also very Important to Spider-Man and his Lore yet she has died like 2-3 times and nobody complains when she dies.
Alfred is important because it’s him who ultimately helps shape Batman. Bruce could have gone the way of Thomas Wayne Jr. and become Owlman, but he had an Alfred who was compassionate, who raised this young boy with morals and ethics that define his character. Alfred can be the voice of reason when Batman goes too deep, he can stand up to Batman when no one else is willing to do so. That moment where Alfred scolds Bruce, telling him that he won’t yell at Dick, speaks volumes as to how important Alfred is.
Wait.. that stupid storyline is still canon ? ( i haven't read Batman since the King run put me off ) They really should have Alfreds meta-gene kick in and have him turn into the Outsider again, or have Superboy Prime punch reality, or use a Lazarus pit, or have Spectre say 'hang on you're not meant to be dead' and restore Alfred. It should be easy to bring him back.
I love Alfred and his death really cemented his importance to me. My first look at his gangster was in the Batman vs Robin animated movie, and the injustice run when he went against Superman. He really was the glue and showed what a father should be. Only reason why im not torn, is because Im of the belief that the Batfamily should be stronger than this. I feel Batman while still being hurt of course, should be stronger than this. But again, it doesnt help that he basically got no one else. I personally feel a world without Alfred while sad could work. They just need to develop characters past what they were before, which we know they dont like to do for extended periods. Suprised myself that Alfred been gone for 5 YEARS
I will defend TDKR Alfred leaving because it’s not the first time he does it to prove a point to Bruce in media, in Legends of the Dark Knight venom, Alfred leaves Bruce to show him that his substance abuse was a problem, he also gives Bruce an ultimatum in Telltale because Bruce was doing really shady- well shadier stuff with suicide squad (if I remember correctly) and also there’s a difference between going away and staying gone, I’m sure Alfred would’ve returned ofc, its just the plot literally locked him out of Gotham, But idk that’s my opinion
It sucks that Alfred died but honestly few years later we got some amazing stories out of it. I would like for him to come back but I’m ok with him being dead now.
DC comics is ageist. This can be seen in the way they treat all of their older characters. From Crimson Avenger to the JSA, even the original Batman and Robin, the All-Star Squadron to Alfred. DC, Treats all of them as disposable. However, unlike the rest--I'm certain Alfred will be back.
If there's one thing I hate seeing in Batman media, it's Batman punching his adopted kids in the face. And Alfred being killed by Bane just seems like an excuse to have a whole lot of that.
The thing is him dying and not being back yet is just shock value they pretend his death was more by letting him dead but as soon as people's let alfred go he will be brought back
Well, he's way over a hundred years old. Going by his age when he first appeared. In a movie serial. Geez, I did not know that. The comics kept getting ideas from the movies based on the comics. Weird.
Fun fact Alfred didn’t really become Batman’s father figure until around the 80s and imo was by far the best change to the Batman mythos ever next to giving him the no kill rule
I think him staying dead makes the death work. He’s one of my favourite characters of all time, but if he was revived it would completely cheapen the grieving of the characters. Plus, it would weaken the effect of future deaths more than they already are in comics generally.
I will never understand why dc killed off Alfred in the comics because it still was a bad idea and just I don’t understand why they don’t at this point bring him back to life because Batman without Alfred isn’t the same In my opinion.
I love Alfred and I agree that even though the Bat Family shouldn't turn on itself without him doesn't mean it's still empty without him, but I've always hated death getting retconned. Some people make it work, like Jason Todd and Norman Osborne, but I just hate how retconning death makes light of the fate everyone is heading to and has to deal with. So, I'm torn on whether I think it's bold or a travesty that they've committed this long to Alfred's (second?) death. I definitely agree that Batman needs levity (just as I would say comedy stories need drama) and even though I don't think any character or institution should be bulletproof (or else there's no tension), getting rid of Alfred AND Gordon is a lot to while still asking readers to keep paying $3-$5 every month.
If you really think about it, Alfred is the Father of the entire BatFamily. Cause Alfred is the voice of reason for everyone, so by taking him away they basically took away the glue that holds everyone together. Even Jason who is seen as the black sheep of the family sticks around because of Alfred. Which is why his death triggered Damien to leave, Dick/Bruce/Jason can't get along, Tim feelsl alone, and Barbra basically lost a 2nd Father figure
I feel like the only way Alfred should die, would be if he sacrifices himself to save his family(like yondu in the mcu) and only if they wrote one of the other batfam step up to try to support the others.
I think it also has to do with the replacements for the batman characters have been underwhelming, It just isn’t nearly as good, I'd be fine if they were half as likable as alfred
The only person who can match Alfred in supporting Bruce would be Dick, since he's been with him the longest. Jim Gordon and Selina also has a certain way of grounding Bruce when things gets through (more so than I'd imagine Tim, Jason, Barbara or Damian ever would be able to)
On the other hand, I don't hate the idea of Alfred dying from a story perspective. It's nice to see comic continuities actually progress (see frustration with Spidercucking because we can't have Peter evolve into a married man). The thing is you've got to find a way to make that interesting and compelling going forward. You need to have Batman (or someone else at least) grow in some ways to fill the void left by Alfred's absence. Bring in that comfort and rationality from somewhere else now that Alfred can no longer provide it. Also imo it's more compelling when Alfred dies of natural causes as opposed to murder
Ever since finishing invincible, I’ve grown a small toxic hatred towards the nature of status quo, and how comics will never change or end in any huge significant way, and knowing my favorite comic characters are gonna outlive me never really get a peaceful ending. and even though I wish Alfred had a more peaceful death like aunt May when she died in the comics, I don’t mind the idea of Bruce and everyone else in the comics continuing on without Alfred and growing more and more as characters and just trying to make him proud. As stupid and intellectual as it may or may not sound, it’s just how I feel.🤷♂️
I'd say Alfred is tied with ma and pa Kent. They actively shaped superman into what he is today while Alfred actively supports bruce wayne and is his lifeline to growing his family
I'm fine with Alfred being killed off, hell I might even say that I like it, BUT what I really don't like is how it was a way to torture and traumatize Damian and something to bring him down and shit instead of Bruce like the way it should've been. Like... Kill off Alfred, just in front of Bruce, his son.
Not everything needs to be about Bruce though. Bruce can go without Alfred, he has before. But with Damian, Alfred and Dick are his support system. This happening has forced much needed character development for Damian.
Alfred Pennyworth is the GOAT, but I don't know if I want him to come back. It would need to be a real good Story. Also this way Alfred can't get worse as a character with a new writer who will Ruin his legacy. I think a better way would be for someone else to pick up the mantle that Alfred left behind. Someone should step up with the intent to hold the Batfamily together.
Even though we know that Alfred will back in the comics once the Reeves and Gunn Batman movies come out, emotionally, i like the way that Alfred’s death has affected Bruce, and forces him to learn how to get closer to Damian without his constant advice. It allowed Bruce a chance to grow and evolve. Think about it… All children have to eventually have to deal with the loss of their parents and learn how to carry on with what they taught them, despite no longer being around. Why should Bruce be any different? What bothers me is HOW Alfred dead. He should have gone out like a Hero, not as a victim. He’s the guy who keeps a shotgun and a secret stash of guns hidden in the manor, for crying out loud! Just unforgivable!
As a Spider-Man fan, we'd all glady trade with Batman fans to get some kind of changing dynamic instead of status quo stagnation. Just joking, but honestly I don't think Alfred dying is a bad thing itself but it certainly was since it was just done for shock value and cheap emotional moments every now and then. I think a story focusing entirely on Alfred passing away forcing Bruce to really tackle that isolationist side of Batman and either grow closer to the Batfamily or maybe become something worse for awhile until they can reach out to him would be interesting.
I'd like Alfred back but in another year or so. Batman just got the Pennyworth estate and we have a new status quo with Batman being more trusting and controlling his paranoia, but its being interrupted by this dragged out Absolute Power crossover event. I'd like at least a year's worth of stories with this new status quo before they bring Alfred back.
Isn't it better for Alfred to be death, Bruce should grow out of need for Alfred and grow to be a better man And idea of "it was clayface all alone" is just stupid, same as " he was death and now he returned like nothing had happened"
Alfred is the goat, he's one of the only few people who can stand up to Bruce and tell him what it is and not afraid to fight people who could kill him like joker or bane. Not to mention he's not just a father to Bruce but the rest of the bat family. Favorite Alfred centered comic was the one with the family coming together after Alfred funeral telling stories of when he helped them out and was there he's the glue that keeps this family together.
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If they’re not planning on aging up Bruce then I’d say bring Alfred back, if they actually want to progress Batman, leave him dead, although his death was disrespectful imo
Exactly! At the very least this should progress Batman but if it AIN'T then Why do it yk
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I find it so funny how DC can make such a big decision like removing Alfred from Batman mainline stories but they can't make him married to Catwoman 💀
I may be the one person who will say this. Alfred can die. HOWEVER! It has to be done right, like Alfred saving Batman from something that was meant for him and him alone. That being said If Alfred has to die, someone else as to fill or equal the role that was left. Honestly if Jim saw how fucked up Bats was now and became the glue that Alfred was (honestly with a little more harsh tones if I'm real) I could be fine with that. Every other time though Alfred needs to be there for the Bat-Family, cause he is the family that they all need and is the only person who can make Batman, Bruce once more.
Alfred either has to die by saving batman or in something completely natural 100% unrelated to the cowl and crime, a heart attack or something, I could accept it even if hurted, the way he was killed is such a bad one
Of all the runs that have come since the end of King’s, I’ve liked Zdarsky’s the best in part because he’s actually touched on Alfred’s absence.
One of the key parts of the Failsafe storyline was that Alfred was supposed to be there to stop it from activating in case Bruce was framed. He was the failsafe for failsafe, and the fact that Failsafe did so much damage is just a testament to Alfred’s importance.
I agree. Alfred's presence or lack thereof really hurts the Bat-family in more ways than one and now without Alfred to deactivate the Failsafe protocol, it looks like things aren't looking too good for Batman and the rest of the Bat-family.
DC: we kill someone and bring em back later
Fans: STOP bringing people back to life! Make deaths matter!
DC: we kill Alfred.
Fans: wait bring him back, why isn't he back?!
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No, Alfred should not be brought back. Too much time has passed since he died and the world has moved on from it. The only way that could rightfully bring Alfred back the next proper continuity reboot.
Good news everyone! Alfred will be back in a year!
The real fans know Batman its not Batman without Alfred
Agreed. Alfred's been an important and integral part of the Bat-family and his death was actually something I've really couldn't get over it. The way Bane killed him and the fact that Damien was forced to watch really screwed us over. I know Alfred's death is meant for Batman to have some character growth but he's practically a father figure to Bruce and the other Robins and the other DC heroes too. DC needs to bring Alfred back since Batman is probably going to face some troubles in the future and it might not look pretty.
I love Alfred, absolutely adore him... but he should stay dead. We're meant to grieve and miss his loss as much as the characters do.
And it's an interesting scenario. I think a lot of writers were able to explore his absence really well, especially in Nightwing, Robin and Batman & Robin.
Alfred is (in my opinion) the greatest supporting character in Batman. And him dying is just strange. I do think it can work but only if it’s set in the far future. But even then you get a replacement. Tim and Dick take over as the moral center and Barbra (if you go down the Oracle route) as the tech support. Personally I think it would be fun if Mr. Freeze took that role after Alfred dies.
Why Freeze?
@@totalfree8740 He and Batman (at least in more modern stories) are enemies by choice more by chance and circumstance. I like to think Bruce helps Freeze save his wife and that’s how Freeze repays Bruce. I was also inspired by White Knight.
He'll be back when they reboot like always. I think its interesting to try to tell post-Alfred stories
Anytime when there’s a story when Alfred dies, it really bums me out
Same
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I like how his absence is felt as much as his presence, to me Chip is doing a great job with his death. I don't need him to come back till bro thinks he is good, you know, till he feels he did all he wanted to cause it will probably never happen again
If you're gonna have Alfred gone you gotta have Leslie Tompkins
Alfred could solo the whole Justice League
Didn’t even register how long Alfred’s been dead for. I hope that the descent to darkness Bruce has had has a purpose and not just a desire to make the character edgy. Feels like it will lead to a grandiose return.
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I only accept Alfred being dead once Bruce hits like 60 anything earlier is nonsense, great video this week lads, he could never have a partner in the streets but he needs someone to confide in at some point during his journey and from a writing standpoint it makes sense to have a character that has knowledge of Batman since birth and can fill in the gaps when needed for the story or adding new lore. Congrats on 20k subs 🎉👍
Alfred is absolutely the most important supporting character for Bruce. He raised Bruce and has been his support his whole life. Killing him off was definitely the wrong choice, bring him back DC I beg 😞
Of course it was DiDio. What annoys me is he's gone but DiDio's Darker DC is still how they're operating the DC Universe.
Seeing Alfred fly around while they talk about him brings me something Alfred doesn’t have right now. Life.
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When Bruce died in the battle of the Cowl Alfred was broken, without Alfred the batfamily is broken. 😮
I mean yes that's certainly been the status quo for Alfred for decades but let's not forget that that's how he started out. Originally he was Alfred Beagle who came to work for Batman well after he was Batman and Robin was there already and never raised him. I do absolutely agree that Alfred has since become one of the most essential supporting characters, but I still would say that Lois Lane is still the best one in comics.
Lmao they should reveal that Bane kept Alfred hostage and he decides to give him back like “whaddya take me for a fuckin animal?”
Alfred is the moral heart of the Batman franchise. Take him away and there's nothing to pump life in the series.
Exactly
You are so right! I want Alfred back, and as Chip seems to be returning bits and pieces to Bruce (like his money, a home for the Batfamily, etc.), I'm hoping Alfred will be one of those pieces returned, too. I don't know how, and I really don't care, just bring Alfred back! And of course it was DiDio. No further explanation needed.
My father watched his whole family fall apart after his great grandmother passed away. They all separated off to their own little groups. After her funeral they all began to fight. It's been 16 years since she passed so in all likelihood half of them are dead. My dad only calls his sisters and his one first cousin. So it's accurate to how a family can fall apart after someone's death
I'm kind of glad that we get to talk about just how wild Batman has gotten with no Alfred as a moral compass. While this is a bit OOC but Injustice to me was the biggest example of just how badly Bruce needs Alfred. Alfred was always the guiding hand serving in Bruce's corner over Bruce's relationship with Damian, doing his best to have the father son duo to talk after so many horrible communicational issues.
Honestly in a way i kinda like the fact that he's still dead it show respect for the character
I agree with the line of thought that if they're going to try to progress his character leave him dead. If they aren't going to do that then they don't need to keep him dead.
i would like alfred back but i also want to see what bruce does without him
I love Alfred, he’s a staple to the Batman universe. But come on, let death be death. Batman is finally growing as a character, we don’t need a regression. If Alfred comes back he’ll be back to doing all of Batman’s needs while Bruce sits in his cave and hunches over his keyboard. Make the man do his own damn dishes. Alfred has served his purpose but everyone and everything ends and dies.
I been 5 years, but Superman's Earth parents were dead for decades and they retconned that.
I think the death wouldn't be as dumb if the storyline surrounding the death wasn't so dumb 😭😭😭
If it makes the characters go through changes and they come out of it better then before they started im all for not bringing him back or all that work they did gets ripped away from them
0:45 he definitely needs to come back when I read the comic I was distraught
Alfred is integral to Batman and the bat family. But I say leave him dead, at least for a good while. We've had 80 years with him, lets see what stories can be told in his absence. Bringing him back kind of makes his death meaningless, and Batman has enough of a family now to move on without Alfred. Everyone has to lose thier parents/grandparents at some point, even the Bat-Family. If the Bat-Family survives and prospers with Alfred gone, it means he did a great job giving them the skills and love they needed while he was alive.
Bruce might be the robins' dad but Alfred is their mom
Alfred’s death hurt me to my heart. I wanted to cry when I read that issue…I feel like he has transcended mere supporting character status. Hopefully DC editorial will get their crap together & find a pathway to bringing him back.
Alfred solos everyone! He took on the predator and superman!
Watching Alfred T pose and glide in a tuxedo is surprisingly funny
The only way I'm getting back into Batman is if they turn him into the punisher and it takes the entire bat family to bring him in.
They killed Alfred.
Taken wayne manor.
Taken his fortune.
Taken his company.
Jim Gordon is no longer commissioner.
Let Bats crashout.
Bruh people complain about Death not being permanent in comics but now that Alfred's Death you want him back? also you could literally say the same thing about Aunt May who is also very Important to Spider-Man and his Lore yet she has died like 2-3 times and nobody complains when she dies.
Alfred is important because it’s him who ultimately helps shape Batman. Bruce could have gone the way of Thomas Wayne Jr. and become Owlman, but he had an Alfred who was compassionate, who raised this young boy with morals and ethics that define his character. Alfred can be the voice of reason when Batman goes too deep, he can stand up to Batman when no one else is willing to do so. That moment where Alfred scolds Bruce, telling him that he won’t yell at Dick, speaks volumes as to how important Alfred is.
Wait.. that stupid storyline is still canon ? ( i haven't read Batman since the King run put me off ) They really should have Alfreds meta-gene kick in and have him turn into the Outsider again, or have Superboy Prime punch reality, or use a Lazarus pit, or have Spectre say 'hang on you're not meant to be dead' and restore Alfred. It should be easy to bring him back.
They tried A Lazarus Pit story, and didn’t go through with it.
Commend them for having the balls to keep him dead for as long as they have.
But he is a critical part of the mythos. He can't be forgotten.
I love Alfred and his death really cemented his importance to me. My first look at his gangster was in the Batman vs Robin animated movie, and the injustice run when he went against Superman. He really was the glue and showed what a father should be. Only reason why im not torn, is because Im of the belief that the Batfamily should be stronger than this. I feel Batman while still being hurt of course, should be stronger than this. But again, it doesnt help that he basically got no one else. I personally feel a world without Alfred while sad could work. They just need to develop characters past what they were before, which we know they dont like to do for extended periods. Suprised myself that Alfred been gone for 5 YEARS
I will defend TDKR Alfred leaving because it’s not the first time he does it to prove a point to Bruce in media, in Legends of the Dark Knight venom, Alfred leaves Bruce to show him that his substance abuse was a problem, he also gives Bruce an ultimatum in Telltale because Bruce was doing really shady- well shadier stuff with suicide squad (if I remember correctly) and also there’s a difference between going away and staying gone, I’m sure Alfred would’ve returned ofc, its just the plot literally locked him out of Gotham, But idk that’s my opinion
It sucks that Alfred died but honestly few years later we got some amazing stories out of it. I would like for him to come back but I’m ok with him being dead now.
DC comics is ageist. This can be seen in the way they treat all of their older characters. From Crimson Avenger to the JSA, even the original Batman and Robin, the All-Star Squadron to Alfred. DC, Treats all of them as disposable. However, unlike the rest--I'm certain Alfred will be back.
If there's one thing I hate seeing in Batman media, it's Batman punching his adopted kids in the face. And Alfred being killed by Bane just seems like an excuse to have a whole lot of that.
Modern Batman comics haven’t hit the same and Alfred’s absence is a part of that
Facts.
The thing is him dying and not being back yet is just shock value they pretend his death was more by letting him dead but as soon as people's let alfred go he will be brought back
Here after the 3rd video title change 💙
I find it funny how in one comic run that is happening now Alfred is dead. Then in the other he’s the only one left alive
Never clicked on a video so fast
Alfred deserves a "Dad who stepped up," mug
Well, he's way over a hundred years old. Going by his age when he first appeared. In a movie serial. Geez, I did not know that. The comics kept getting ideas from the movies based on the comics. Weird.
Fun fact Alfred didn’t really become Batman’s father figure until around the 80s and imo was by far the best change to the Batman mythos ever next to giving him the no kill rule
Alfred needs to come back cause he’s the heart of the bat family
I think him staying dead makes the death work. He’s one of my favourite characters of all time, but if he was revived it would completely cheapen the grieving of the characters. Plus, it would weaken the effect of future deaths more than they already are in comics generally.
I will never understand why dc killed off Alfred in the comics because it still was a bad idea and just I don’t understand why they don’t at this point bring him back to life because Batman without Alfred isn’t the same In my opinion.
I think Chris Conner who played Poe in Altered Carbon would make a great Alfred
1:52 TALK TUAH
I love Alfred and I agree that even though the Bat Family shouldn't turn on itself without him doesn't mean it's still empty without him, but I've always hated death getting retconned. Some people make it work, like Jason Todd and Norman Osborne, but I just hate how retconning death makes light of the fate everyone is heading to and has to deal with. So, I'm torn on whether I think it's bold or a travesty that they've committed this long to Alfred's (second?) death.
I definitely agree that Batman needs levity (just as I would say comedy stories need drama) and even though I don't think any character or institution should be bulletproof (or else there's no tension), getting rid of Alfred AND Gordon is a lot to while still asking readers to keep paying $3-$5 every month.
Alfred is truly the goat.
Bring Alfred back, man!
I like when caracthers don't come back
I haven't read anything the same since Alfred died without Alfred there to help the bat family everything just feels wrong
Batman saw parents killed in front of him again.
(Alfred as his dad)
DC should’ve just had Alfred die from cancer tbh. Not some disaster or some Batman villain just natural causes
We NEED him back. It is just not the same without him.
If you really think about it, Alfred is the Father of the entire BatFamily. Cause Alfred is the voice of reason for everyone, so by taking him away they basically took away the glue that holds everyone together. Even Jason who is seen as the black sheep of the family sticks around because of Alfred. Which is why his death triggered Damien to leave, Dick/Bruce/Jason can't get along, Tim feelsl alone, and Barbra basically lost a 2nd Father figure
I feel like the only way Alfred should die, would be if he sacrifices himself to save his family(like yondu in the mcu) and only if they wrote one of the other batfam step up to try to support the others.
I oddly respect the fact that DC kept Alfred dead, mostly because Marvel didn't have the balls to kill aunt may for real.
I think it also has to do with the replacements for the batman characters have been underwhelming,
It just isn’t nearly as good,
I'd be fine if they were half as likable as alfred
The real question is if Alfred Should pick up the batman mantal after all he is ex spec ops
It's not a question if Alfred will return. It's question of when DC will bring him back?
The only person who can match Alfred in supporting Bruce would be Dick, since he's been with him the longest. Jim Gordon and Selina also has a certain way of grounding Bruce when things gets through (more so than I'd imagine Tim, Jason, Barbara or Damian ever would be able to)
0:52 - "Or should I say neck first?"
Oh nah that's a diabolical thing to say ☠
LMFAO - couldn’t resist sorry 😭🥲
On the other hand, I don't hate the idea of Alfred dying from a story perspective. It's nice to see comic continuities actually progress (see frustration with Spidercucking because we can't have Peter evolve into a married man).
The thing is you've got to find a way to make that interesting and compelling going forward. You need to have Batman (or someone else at least) grow in some ways to fill the void left by Alfred's absence. Bring in that comfort and rationality from somewhere else now that Alfred can no longer provide it. Also imo it's more compelling when Alfred dies of natural causes as opposed to murder
Ever since finishing invincible, I’ve grown a small toxic hatred towards the nature of status quo, and how comics will never change or end in any huge significant way, and knowing my favorite comic characters are gonna outlive me never really get a peaceful ending. and even though I wish Alfred had a more peaceful death like aunt May when she died in the comics, I don’t mind the idea of Bruce and everyone else in the comics continuing on without Alfred and growing more and more as characters and just trying to make him proud. As stupid and intellectual as it may or may not sound, it’s just how I feel.🤷♂️
I don’t have much access to comics, I didn’t know Alfred died!?!?!?!
What?!?!?
Noooo!!!!!
Alfred is Batfamily member number 0. Not because he’s the most useless, but because he comes before everyone else, even Bruce
I'd say Alfred is tied with ma and pa Kent. They actively shaped superman into what he is today while Alfred actively supports bruce wayne and is his lifeline to growing his family
On one hand odd but in the other bravo for NOT undoing it asap when they writer shifted. Since when wriers change best to just consider that a reboot.
alfreds death did give us the best nightwing run ever tho 🙏
Good question🤔🤷🏻♂.
I think him being dead still Is really cool actually.
Bring Back Alfred 💜
i feel as if alfred single handedly keeps bruce sane
I'm fine with Alfred being killed off, hell I might even say that I like it, BUT what I really don't like is how it was a way to torture and traumatize Damian and something to bring him down and shit instead of Bruce like the way it should've been. Like... Kill off Alfred, just in front of Bruce, his son.
Not everything needs to be about Bruce though. Bruce can go without Alfred, he has before. But with Damian, Alfred and Dick are his support system. This happening has forced much needed character development for Damian.
Alfred Pennyworth is the GOAT, but I don't know if I want him to come back. It would need to be a real good Story. Also this way Alfred can't get worse as a character with a new writer who will Ruin his legacy.
I think a better way would be for someone else to pick up the mantle that Alfred left behind. Someone should step up with the intent to hold the Batfamily together.
No wonder recents Batman comics lack of humanity and soul.
Even though we know that Alfred will back in the comics once the Reeves and Gunn Batman movies come out, emotionally, i like the way that Alfred’s death has affected Bruce, and forces him to learn how to get closer to Damian without his constant advice. It allowed Bruce a chance to grow and evolve.
Think about it… All children have to eventually have to deal with the loss of their parents and learn how to carry on with what they taught them, despite no longer being around. Why should Bruce be any different?
What bothers me is HOW Alfred dead. He should have gone out like a Hero, not as a victim. He’s the guy who keeps a shotgun and a secret stash of guns hidden in the manor, for crying out loud! Just unforgivable!
As a Spider-Man fan, we'd all glady trade with Batman fans to get some kind of changing dynamic instead of status quo stagnation. Just joking, but honestly I don't think Alfred dying is a bad thing itself but it certainly was since it was just done for shock value and cheap emotional moments every now and then. I think a story focusing entirely on Alfred passing away forcing Bruce to really tackle that isolationist side of Batman and either grow closer to the Batfamily or maybe become something worse for awhile until they can reach out to him would be interesting.
I'd like Alfred back but in another year or so. Batman just got the Pennyworth estate and we have a new status quo with Batman being more trusting and controlling his paranoia, but its being interrupted by this dragged out Absolute Power crossover event. I'd like at least a year's worth of stories with this new status quo before they bring Alfred back.
Isn't it better for Alfred to be death, Bruce should grow out of need for Alfred and grow to be a better man
And idea of "it was clayface all alone" is just stupid, same as " he was death and now he returned like nothing had happened"
It is criminal that Alfred isn’t back