The longer written piece on Sensemaking Russia & Ukraine is just published on our Substack, with multiple links to articles and useful threads: rebelwisdom.substack.com/p/sensemaking-russia-and-ukraine-rebel?
Has anyone done a deep dive into Putin's genealogy? Is he related to Russian nobility or high-ranked officials from before the Bolsheviks? Does he think he has noblesse oblige?
More than ever, I believe it’s important to understand the Russian perspective. Even if you consider them to be an enemy, you need to know how they are thinking, and what they are thinking. If not, you’re just walking in the dark
Always good to incorporate more points of view, but do you mean the Russian perspective, or Putin's perspective? These aren't necessarily the same thing.
@@universalflamethrower6342 completely agree. that is why despite all economic, political problems and catastrophic mismanagement, his popularity was around 60-70 per cent among Russians.
@@kraxmalism He has almost complete control of the media and has arrested people who pose a political threat to him, including assassinating threats to his regime. If there were actually space for dissent, you would see that popularity level drop significantly.
@@RebelWisdom I am assuming you are working on this angle, but is there anyway to get more of a psychologist's view of the whole situation? What could make a person think this behavior is okay?
Constantly referring to "does Putin really believe in these values" You may not agreed with Putins values but I would suggest he genuinely believes in them unlike the hollow rhetoric exhorted by many Western leaders. For example, UK MP's purporting to support Ukraines right to embrace liberal democracy while simultaneously voting through a bill to prevent demonstrations in Britain. Laughable.
It seems all these people however intellectually deep and smart they seem, they don't have the capacity to connect the dots. "Putin is our secular satan who is against personal rights and freedoms!!!" Hey, look at Trudeau. Look at Boris. Look at the ideas they come up with in Davos. "Yeah, that is another theme and another country even! Can you not keep to the subject?! Putin is satan!"
@@jaguillermol It's funny isn't it? I remember a couple of years ago former British Prim Minister saying "unlike Russia, we don't imprison political dissidents" the very same day a "far right" activist had been arrested, tried, convicted, sentenced and sent to prison all in the space of a few hours, on a pretext that was later overturned for having been totally illegal by the court of appeal. Their hypocrisy never even occurs to them. We're told we have to defend the "rules based liberal order", even though the elites of that order respect neither the rule of law, the liberal rights they claim to be defending, nor the very concept of order itself. What they basically mean by it is "we make the rules, and they're whatever we say they are".
@@jdg9999 I think I know who you are talking about. The short guy who founded a certain league? If I write his name or the name of that league my comment will probably get deleted just like yours is, which is also funny. Because I can see it in notifications but not among the comments. Pigs are intelligent animals and have very tasty flesh, so they are not even pigs. I don't know what to call them. Slugs? Worms? Most problems we have are because of them. The only reasonable thing to do is to squish them. But they have all the guns and all the tanks.
I am utterly baffled that some people think that in this interview I am supporting Putin's inexcusable actions, while others think I am supporting ersatz Ukrainian Nazis. This comes from not listening to what I am saying, and from preferring to react rather than understand. In my books Dark Star Rising and The Return of Holy Russia, I explore and critically analyze the often incoherent but sadly influential ideas of Alexsandr Dugin, as well as those of the post-Soviet vision of the Silver Age theocratic political philosopher Ivan Ilyin. Both have had an influence on Putin, and we are watching the results on the evening news. It behooves anyone trying to come to grips with world events to have some idea of what's behind them. This is what history is about.
It is the same reason that: If you criticise the western media in this scenario then you are a 'genocide enabler' or a 'Putin Supporter' which is because people are completely brainwashed. :-)
What many Russians see as "Putin's inexcusable actions" is having waited around for nearly eight years before coming to the rescue of the civilians in Donbass. Russians have been furious at Putin for years for his moderation and patience, because his reluctance to come to the military defense of Donbass civilians has resulted in thousands of deaths of Russian-speaking people there. The people living in Donbass have been under vicious attack by Ukrainian armed forces -- with 14,000 dead -- since shortly after the CIA-orchestrated 2014 coup, in which the U.S., through the initiative of Assistant Sec. of State Victoria Nuland, installed Poroschenko as Ukrainian president. Ukraine NEVER abided by the Minsk agreements, and indeed Poroschenoko has recently admitted/boasted that Ukraine never had any intention of abiding by the Minsk agreements, instead taking advantage of those eight years to build up their military forces in preparation for an all-out assault on Donbass. We now know that Ukraine planned the UAF invasion of Donbass for March 2022. Russia invaded just in the nick of time, preventing a possible genocide led by the Nazi groups that constituted one-third of the Ukrainian armed forces. Russian forces have suffered more casualties than they might have, due to their efforts to spare civilian lives -- a task that is made more difficult by the Ukrainian armed forces' favorite tactic of placing their missile launchers and other weaponry inside schools, hospitals and apartment complexes. Even Amnesty International, which despises Russia, recently admitted that most of the war crimes in Ukraine have been committed by Ukrainians, even if Ukraine blames their crimes on the Russians. Please read Jacques Baud, the highly credentialed former Swiss intelligence officer and U.N.weapons inspector, to find out what has really been going on in Ukraine for the past 30 years. Russia's invasion was NOT "unprovoked" in the least, and the actions of her commander-in-chief are the furthest thing from "inexcusable."
I continually find it terrifying that small groups of extremely powerful and influential people take it upon themselves to speak for entire nations, entire populaces and go forth doing supposedly their bidding. But what never happens is consensus, what never is achieved is unity, though so many conquers say this is what they are fighting for. The drums of war are beat, nationalism is envoked, religion is weaponized and some ruler, a king, a general, a president, or council is formed and lands that once stood independent get swallowed up in someone else's dream of what the future should be. We are all humans, our cultures, our unique properties and characteristics born from our unique situations which gives our species resilience. We differ not because we couldn't all choose to be the same (or force), but because specific situations require that we differ in order to survive. One human equipped for one environment suddenly thrown into a far away land will quickly realize the importance of our species ability to be different than one another. Some humans have abilities that other humans do not, all of us crafted specifically to meet the challenges unique to each individuals life. We specialize and adapt for the environments we grow in. These differences are not to be feared or controlled, for doing so will surely mean that eventually our species will not possess the unique abilities needed to survive in a world that is constantly changing. Cultures that decide for the rest of the world what is best only accelerate our demise. We do need unity, we do need all humans to come together. But not to become all the same, but to agree that our differences do matter. They are not something to fight over (though some fighting is inevitable) but instead our differences are something to be respected, admired, studied, and appreciated. For what makes one culture unique from another is what makes our species strong and beautiful.
Sometimes the large group repeatedly invests, gives their power away, supports... the "small group." Those that understand mental parasites, cognitive contagions, idea infections... realize that it takes very little for the few ("small group") to (mentally) infect the large group.
@@JDMumma I'm currently having this conversation with a friend of mine. I think many many people understand this concept in bits and pieces. What I think very few of us or any of us know is how to identify what causes the take over or how to reverse it. What's even scarier to me is it seems many people are gearing up for battle, but have absolutely no clue who or what they are battling. The really scary people are the ones certain that they "know" exactly who to battle.
@@kyukyu5982 I am close to launching a Mental Self-Defense training system to in-power our global human family to prepare for, identify, and defend against dozens - potentially hundreds - of different types of cognitive infiltrations and attacks - aka acquired mental immunity.
Ok the first statement was bizarre. It's like Canada It's not a country blah blah blah. Canada is literally 7 countries/cultures pretending to be one. So completely different from coast to coast.
In my experience with Eastern Orthodoxy I’ve the past few years I would say that the emphasis on “the end times” is not as all consuming as it is in the West, especially Protestantism. There’s not this obsession with the end but acknowledgement that what we do know fashions us into the image or person that we will be when the time comes when we it comes. I don’t have expert religious history on Russia in particular though but it is wise to not both Ukraine and Russia share the same faith. Jonathan Pageau would be a great one to help gain perspective on this issue.
Agreed, If I understand correctly, cessation was accounted for in the philosophy, when people want to be adult and self-determining, they should be free to do so, but until then fatherland Russia will look after them and treat them like children. The question then is, well why now do they want to remove that self-determination by force of Ukraine, running counter to all religious texts. My answer would be, it is not religious at all, it is a power grab plain and simple based on a tenuous cooked up collective identity, that Ukraine does not even subscribe to. Were it not for the Soviet Union, I would buy the whole collectivist doctrine, hook, line and sinker. When we say Russia now wants this, it wants that, we really mean "Putin" wants this, he wants that. I wont be looking too deep into the religious aspect of Russia, whenever there is a state and military involved. Agreed though Pageau would be your man.
@Rudy Jacket I'm afraid this has almost nothing to do with fascism in Ukraine, it has everything to do with unexploited oil and gas resouces in ukraine, plus geo-strategic location. Borderlands between two super-powers is terribly dangerous place to live. It should be a DMZ.
Jonathan Pageau could use a shrink his name is Carl Jung ... Jung's theory of a collective unconscious was bang on ... universal archetypes and dynamic symbol are ever emergent and form the basis of ALL stories ALL of 'em ... Pageau is blinded by his own inner light a cognitive bias programmed since birth to believe in the shit he does ... he will never convince me the fake son of god who walked on water and fed 5000 sheeple with 2 fish and 5 loaves of bread was real as documented ... Pageau is not an alchemist, a mystic, nor a scienctist. Jung was all three, so was Newton who was an Arian who believed the trinity was bullshit
Yup. So if Trump runs again, he’ll have to associate himself with the so-called “evil Putin”. Not buying it. This guy is laying the groundwork for that.
I think this is as the scriptures say 'not a battle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.' There's a battle raging in the spiritual and we are seeing it playing out on the physical stage. It's not about left/right east/west, but rather truth vs lies.
This guy does a poor job of explaining the ‘Russian psyche’. As an American student of Russian history and culture this guy sounds like a western ‘expert’ in the same way the West historically fails to understand Russia, and instead patronizes them. His understanding of Russian Eschatology is overwrought. The comparison to Trump just reveals him as a partisan first and scholar last. He could argue Trump as the grotesque culmination of western decadence, but comparing him to Putin and the melding of Russian mysticism, Traditionalism and historicism doesn’t track at all, it’s almost laughable. Really, he is expressing his contempt for what he sees as strongman with a cult of personality and tyrannical disposition. The level of myopia required to ignore so much and focus on so little is stunning. It’s like saying Trudeau and Putin are the same simply because Trudeau has revealed his authoritarian illiberalism founded in a religious post-modernism. Now this guy, an expert on Russia cannot understand what Putin means when he says Lenin created Ukraine, then he laughs. Does he not know the history if WW1 and the Russian civil war of red v white? This guy does more to solidify corporate media tropes and easy judgements. Very underwhelming and disappointing guest. I suppose next time you’ll have on Paul Krugman to discuss why he never been wrong, lol
Thanks for your comment. I am a Hungarian individual and I have met quite a few Russians while I was growing up. I have felt something was a bit off while listening to this guest. Of course, some things this guest argues does make sense but oversimplifying the Russian soul to this extent was a bit disturbing to my ears. So I am very happy to read a positively and meaningfully critical comment too {my thoughts were quite critical too}. Thank you once again for this thoughtful comment. :)
When I studied social sciences in Poland We had a student who was very into history & culture of Russia - who was also a translator of russian literature -& He shared His knowledge with Us The main message of Him was related to the conditions of social kind there that had made impossible for the civic society to be fully developed Like in some centuries of the past there were large spaces there peopled in such way that the groups of citizens were so isolated that they were not able to act together or unite together in any way against the rule of the owners So in this way It was impossible for such to develop the ways of behavior that could lead to the establishment of the democratic siciety When It comes to The Soul of the country or rather Its Psyche It is not born together with It but comes into being in the słow & gradual way same with the russian One which seems to be not fully developed or not fully integrated as It 's all the time in conflict between Its occidental & slavophile current As one' s Psyche projects Its inner turmoil to an outside of It - to the big world of international kind ... - It 's just looking for the solutions of Its own inner problems ... Could be alike in this case ...
Americans dont and will never understand people and generations who have suffered greatly - how could they. Russian and Slavic people have endured torture and life’s extremes including weather which makes social hardships worse for decades, they look hardened to us but in reality they understand unity of their people and are willing to die for it. Like the Israeli’s, Arabs and Asians We - Americans- are the Childern here and we must understand that at some point. They all will go farther, go harder then we can even fathom
Russia does not have an identity? I thought it was the last bastion of Christianity. If you want to understand Putin have a look at a map of Nato and the fact that Britain, USA, Nato have spoken of Russia as the enemy since Russia started to substantially improve there economy.
That identity had to be cultivated again after the fall of the soviet union. They had no identity at the fall, because they came from a system that rejected religion. They needed time to restore some of their old identity.
"the last bastion of Christianity" - 😁 in Russia? Indifferent, cynical, greedy, drunk, selfish occupants & killers? I'm from USSR, I know what they are, I served with them in army, I saw them during the Chechen wars in 90th, the war in Georgia in 2008, and in Ukraine from 2014, starting from the occupation of Crimea, Donbass & Lugansk. They are orks & scumbags, who just recalls Christ when they see flying FPV drone in their face.
From my years of personal understanding, we are looking at old western philosophy of freedom vs modern woke philosophy of what freedom is. This is a sad situation. My heart goes to all peoples, we need to be more together, we must hold strong to get to where we need to be together.
Crowds quickly go mad together but slowly recover individually. We're beginning the slow individual recovery followed (hopefully) by a re-coalescing of same like-minded good people the world over. It's a long cycle that repeats over and over again.
It seems odd that through this conversation the fact that this war started as an 8 year civil war is ignored. I know it complicates things, and makes it difficult to talk about ‘Russia vs Ukraine’ but it’s kind of essential to the story of the conflict
Difficult to reconcile "modernity" with "wisdom". The former seems to lead to any number of unwise actions -- at least as long as endless money is being printed! 🤔
@@mostlydead3261 I wouldn't say "cowardly". Maybe it is very complicated for him. But I do long to hear his big picture take on it all. And condemnation of Russian agression.
Russia does _not_ want former Soviet Republics (except the 3 Baltic States) in their enemy camp and is willing to do whatever it takes to prevent that from happening. How difficult is _that_ to comprehend? Why do you need to psychoanalyse Putin or Russia to understand such a simple thing?🙄
@@LLlapPutin is _not_ looking to kick anyone out of their homes. He wants Ukraine not to join his enemies and treat Russian speaking Ukrainians as fellow Ukrainians with rights to their language and culture. If that is too difficult for Ukrainians, he is ready to make sure it is going to be more difficult to be otherwise. By the way taking what doesn't belong to them (banditry) is the Western habit, not Russian.
fantastic conversation - helps to put a different perspective on things. Loved the left-right brain and individual/collective comparisons. When I watch content like this I realise how little I know and how much more there is to learn. Thank you!
It's amazing how obviously intelligent people spread confusion with their ignorance. "Anarchy", (7:40) from the Greek, "An", meaning without , and, "Archos", meaning without rulers, or rulership. PLEASE NOTE , that's not the same as being without rules, as they are shared, between people who co-operate, and therefore do not dominate and do not try to rule over those co-operated with
Though I don't agree with all of it, this is what has been rolling around in my head ever since Putin's warning to America about Woke. Putin has a soul and wants to restore, not conquer. The McGilchrist parallel was a stroke of genius.
Refer u to Dianne Francis, Putin is cancer, so I don’t hv to rave , 1 tho, y does the righteous side up to a tRump or Putin , 1 is a wanna be the other a straight out killer
Consider this: All the wrong people (far left lunatics, leftist media, leftist politicians, Hollywood types, etc) are most passionately on the side of Ukraine and lionize Zelensky. The best people are greatly reserved about this and are more reserved and neutral and sometimes sympathetic to Putin's aims, and even if they are disapproving of Putin are disgusted by the government of Ukraine since 2014.
Great video! I have been searching for this angle since the invasion! Could you start putting your guests' references in the comments? I can't begin to fathom how to spell some of these Russian philosophers. I was excited to here Gary reference Herman Hesse! Thank you!
If Scotland were to separate from England and control its own resources, would this be a happy arrangement of oil and gas? Hypocrisy is to be able to fix local problems and not critique others that we have bribed to our colonial ideals. Try living without the sources of power to understand what democracy has never achieved, equanimity. This is a colonial war, not an understanding of differences in greed on a finite planet using the same atmosphere and imaginary borders based on flat earth principals. No matter the ‘organization’, greed is not noticed by the laws created for profit.
Certain resources may be finite, but the mind is close to be infinite, therefore, we will be able to solve even very complex and difficult problems. And regarding 'colonisation', those nations who don't use their talents, will loose them. It is written in the Bible, is almost a natural law. Some cultures have stagnated for hundreds of years, others developed to a very high level.
@@mellonglass Some cultures needed to be colonized because they developed bankrupt societies. Truth exists and ontological levels as well. In Brazil one of the Indian chiefs said that they want technology and wealth and decried Western do-gooders who would like to keep them at the level of hunter-gatherers. Universals are real. Regarding pyramids, maybe you can answer without straw man argument. Pharaohs were slave owners. It's factually true.
@@criss5405 Interesting to see the energy loss of maintaining a slave, I bid this information is not studied enough, I would recommend locking up failed leaders also, as they likely take up too many resources.
ooooorrrr, they obfuscate, since both JP and this channel refuse to mention the hats which are absolutely central in Putins decision making. might want to mention those whispering in his ear the entire time. It's like Talking about George W Bush without talking about Cheney. Sensemaking? Nonesense Making.
Greek Orthodoxy does not centrally focus on the end or apocalypse. That’s just completely wrong. The American Protestant offshoots however, can’t stop talking about the apocalypse
It's good to have discernment re Scripture. Roman Catholic Cult of dead Mary, Russian and Ukrainian Orthodox, Roman ecumenical Protestant whores, and money preachers like Copeland, Thousand upon thousands of false teachers , preachers, fake healings and all lies. Prity apocalyptic events await them, especially the demon Pope and his demon ideology and counterfeit Christianity.
This guy needs to read Russian history and the history of ideas in the West. Listeners would be far better off reading Orlando Figes on the former and Stephen Hicks on the latter.
Gary Lachman has published books on Russian History and introduced me to a wealth of Russian philosophers and authors. Amazon recommended Orlando Figes to me and I am starting to read him as well. I think maybe you might also broaden your reading of Russian history.
This is pretty much what I has always happened in this country as well. The “Manifest Destiny” and “American Exceptionalism” myths created the American imperialism that brought about the Holocaust against the native Americans, the conquest wars against Mexico, and many other aggressions against their neighbors. Of course, religion had a lot to do with that. The politicians then, as they do today, especially the republicans, use religion to manipulate the population and make them believe that is their right to do whatever the Bible tells them to do (obviously with their own interpretation). Putin is just doing the same.
Thanks Rebel Wisdom for interviewing again Gary Lachman. He is such a great guest to have, he is so knowledgeable about the esoteric basis of world events. He always gives a fascinating narrative on spiritual developments through history.
'Rebel Imam' Sheik Imran Hosein, specialised in Islamic eschatology, has a very interesting perspective on this conflict. In his latest video, he speaks out on geopolitical events and the role of orthodox Christianity. Many of his videos pertain to this subject.
"you see that land over there that has huge geo-political strategic significance?" "yeah, well, legend has it, that is actually our land and it has great religious importance, plus they want to be Russians they don't even know it"
Though we don’t share the same worldview I really missed your podcast over those 2 years. It was kind of filling the important gap. And there seems to be no one to replace you in the work you have been doing.
"Freedom" is quite a relative term, in the west you have the freedom to work and earn money as you want and can, but many people would see much more real freedom in things like a basic income that frees you from of working to death and gives you time to think about what you want to do and be in this world. A quick, market-driven freedom is very different from a slow, "unconstrained" freedom.
Dear Gary please accept my apologies. I went on trying to reach James, I eventually went to his flat today and heard the sad news. I know how close you two were on the last year's and I hope that you are remembering him at his best. I will walk around and do that now. I was very close to James. I wish very much that I had seen him one more time. Dear Rebel Wisdom. I am sorry to use your pages as a contact page but I have no other way. thank you.
Listening to this guy I became more and more doubtful, wether anything of what he said would really explain what's going on in Russia . Until he claimed the Russians would demand "Lebensraum", in a room sense. Really? The largest country in the world? That does not make sense.
Were it not for the Soviet Union, I would buy the whole collectivist doctrine, hook, line and sinker. When we say Russia now wants this, it wants that, we really mean "Putin" wants this, he wants that. "This time we will do it right!"
This, I believe, is a major misconception...that there is secular and religious. The concept of secular is based on the belief that God/Spirit is not reality and that belief in God/Spirit is a concept imposed upon reality. If God is reality then the reverse is true...secularism is a concept imposed upon reality. If God is reality and the spiritual an essential component of it...everything has it's origin therein. The only thing that is then "secular" is the rebel mind of man and that is an imposition. So, in reality there would be no truly secular. It is only imagined. A mind is effectively either in submission or rebellion. There is no neutral position, which is what secular is typically regarded as, because the belief that God doesn't exist is considered default reality. Every nation has a religious mission, whether it is aware of it or not and regardless of how it's packaged and labeled. This is how nations were framed, as I recall, by biblical authors.
@@tmga4922 Thanks for your response. Unsurprisingly, I'm sure... I disagree, and here's why: If it were "neutral" it would not qualify as "rebellious" or "submissive", both of which are qualities based on absolutes, which your framework actually acknowledges.. Secondly, because time and events continually unfold, one cannot take an un-active stance. Reality doesn't allow for it. Your very existence imposes qualitative conditions upon your environment. Even Rush (the band) said "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice". Don't be fooled. And it's got nothing to do with technology. Technology has existed since the first tools and it has done nothing to change the essential nature of man. Absolute neutrality is incompatible with being human.
An interesting speaker and some great points - as a Russian i can confifm this Me vs We difference, on point with Dostoyevsky and the phylosophers of the Slavianophilia wing.
Alexander Dugin's Chaos Magick is behind it all. Behind him is Aleister Crowley. Behind Crowley is Choronzon, the Beast in the Abyss. Gary is making me even more nervous than I already was. He looks worried.
@@othalabro8663 It just occurred to me, that Dugin's fatal metaphysical flaw in this fiasco is that Liber OZ gives man the 'right' to 'kill those' who would thwart his other rights - it justifies murder...except Ukraine never violated any of Russia's rights. So the whole project must fail.
@@Cybervue That depends on whether or now you believe that Ukraine was oppressing the ethnic Russians in the east of Ukraine. Also, this “Chaos Magi” thing: that is some kind of metaphor, right?
This was a good discussion, but the praise of Zelensky as a hero was really misplace and you could tell the Lachman wasn’t completely comfortable with his own words in that section (slightly awkward and pensive maybe). Could this be because Lachman knows that Zelensky’s ‘government’ has been responsible for the murder of thousands of women, children and old people in the Donbass region, all in the name of the vacuous Western ‘vision’?
thank you for speaking this truth. Its hard for me to hear the western world praise Zelensky. Some great info on recent The Duran channel. Alexander and Alex are knokcing it out of the park.
Gary Lachman is one of the most knowledgeable guys around. His ability to speak extemporaneously on such diverse topics, and with such precise recollection of names and dates, is both unprecedented and staggering. Bravo Gary (again)!
Just throwing it out there but could there be a simpler more reasonable explanation of Putin's behaviour? Could it be that we might say the EU behaved badly when they coopted or even directed the Madan protests. Could it be anything to do with America, Victoria Nulan and Jeff Pyat and the interference in Ukraine politics and picking the new government. Could it be anything to do with the long term advance of NATO despite all the assurances that were given before the unification of Germany that NATO would not advance one inch towards Russia. Could be anything to do with the human barbecue in the union building in Odessa. Could it be the crap that happened in Georgia in 2008. Could it have anything to do with the 14000 people killed in the Donbas region since 2014 by the Ukrainian army and the nazi Azov battalions in particular. Could it be the cutting off of water and food. Could it be the fact that Ukraine has been taking gas from the Russian transit pipelines. Could it be the money the Ukrainians owe for gas used. Could it have anything to do with the Americans arming Ukraine to the teeth. Could it be anything to do with the complete lack of progress by the Ukraine government on the Minsk 2 and their refusal to talk to the leaders of the Donbas region. Could it be the fact that the Ukrainian government refused to cooperate with the Minsk accords because the Americans did not apply any pressure for them to do so. Or is it that Putin has suddenly become a religious nationalist maniac
Well said, there is an agenda to whip up the masses into a pro global war mindset and paint putin as the evil religious psychopath. The cabal that runs this world can’t stand nationalism or god forbid Christian’s who value family above consumerism. Putin stands up for Russia fiercely, that doesn’t fit the globalists plan. Why are folk so easily manipulated, you’d think two years of covid propaganda would have made them question everything the msm and governments tell them, but it seems not!?
Thank you for all of those great points. I will pass that on to my media brainwashed friend that text me last night saying someone should assasinate Putin. Such an ignorant statement didn't even deserve a response but that's the kind of hate porn being propagated around the world. Discusting people don't even do any research..Just read the hyperbolic headlines they are spoon fed. Very disturbing.
Gary says Ilyin was right that the end of the Soviet Union would lead to the ‘balkanisation of Russia’. How? Was Russia split apart by the creation of Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Georgia etc? Describing the founding of these modern states as the ‘balkanisation of Russia’ undermines these states’ sovereign right to exist.
27:30 the moment that the conversation goes from the philosophical to the political is where things become "fishy": there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that putin is striving towards recreating the russian empire; or that his aims go "beyond ukraine", none whatsoever. if one were to take putin by his words and reasoning in fact, then quite the contrary would be true; as putin insists that he is motivated by "legitimate national security concerns", and therefore by reason alone.
Putin has said numerous times that he supports forms of Russian irredentism. He said this obliquely when he stated that the collapse of the Soviet Empire was the greatest tragedy of the twentieth century, and he said it explicitly when he said that Ukraine should not exist as a sovereign state. The annexation of Crimea and the invasion of Ukraine is a de facto expression of 'Greater-Russia Irredentism'. There is just no denying that. The state media in Russia published articles stating that the 'Ukraine problem' has been solved as Ukraine has been permanently 'returned to Russia'. Evidently the article was published in the expectation the invasion would be immediately successful. This IS Russian irredentism. Whether you gloss his aggression with 'national security concerns' or not, this is recreating a Russian empire de facto. Putin denies Ukrainian sovereignty. That is outright colonisation. It just can't be denied. Every single empire in history has justified its aggression on national security concerns. But if Putin were not trying to create a 'Greater Russia', why is he denying the very existence of Ukraine as a sovereign state and why is the Russian state media reporting that Ukraine has been 'returned to Russia'? You can't gloss this. It is empire.
Every nation has security concerns. That's no reason to invade your neighbor, especially when that neighbor is 20 times smaller and 10 times weaker than you for some alleged "security concerns." The security concerns argument is pure nonsense intended to convince the uninformed that there's really some good reason, when there is obviously none. Ukraine isn't even into NATO, hasn't even applied for a NATO membership, what security concerns? Even if Ukraine entered NATO, it would still be of no greater risk to Russia than say the Baltic states, who are in NATO for the last 30 years, are bordering Russia, and can strike at Moscow with nukes easily. Shit, you have India and Pakistan, both of them nuclear powers, presenting security concerns to each other for decades now. According to Putin's "logic", they should invade each other asap. It's bullshit. Putin is a psychopath, or is just getting old and bit crazy and paranoid. Or he's dying, so he decided to try and go out with a grand gesture. Also give this a read, it's quite informative, or you know, just read more about Russian history and their expansionism and you see how it all clicks. Most Slavic nations fear or hate Russia because they have been historically invaded and occupied by her. It's also why they joined NATO in droves - because only uncle Sam is strong enough to defend them against "Mother Russia." (the Devouring Mother). www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/02/28/world-war-iii-already-there-00012340
@@EyeOfTheTiger777 Absolutely. Security concerns about something that wasn't even close to happening do not justify denying the whole existence of a state. This is empire building. There truly is no way of escaping that. Russia's neighbours know this well, which is why all of the Slavic and Baltic countries have denounced Putin (except Belarus and Serbia). They know well that this is 'Greater Russia' in action.
@@wodenravens Serbia faced “security concerns” in Bosnia, Croatia, and still today, apparently, in Kosovo. There is something eerily creepy in the Russo-Serbian axis. That Marshal Tito was able to fend them off is surely one of the more remarkable stories of the 20th century.
Putin knows that Ukraine has Biolabs intended to destroy many Slavic people, look at all the military bases around Russian borders, taking Ukraine was the easiest first step, many reason why, the nazis regime funded by the west to destroy the east, biolans, nuclear weapons, the fact it is still part of Russia by international law, many reasons. This is not about expansion of Russia, this is about expansion of one world government run by people that coordinate and undermine most goverments around the world, Russia stands in their way. Jacob Rothchild in 2015 has said about Putin that he is a traitor to their new world order, go figure.
A lot of words for imperial fascism. edit: Having listened to the whole thing now the dude knows his stuff. His too diplomatically inclined for my taste. But he is very knowledgeable.
Is the struggle perpetual, then? An unending cycle of uncertain liberalism and well defined authoritarianism until the sun blinks out? Seems bleak. My days on Earth are wrapping up, but I'd hoped for something better for my family.
I really liked the IKEA metaphor for nature vs nurture. I'd like to expand it and say that those who claim that you're a blank slate, you're an empty apartment waiting for furnishing, are partly correct. But they are crucially missing the nature piece, which would be the fact that the particular geometry of the apartment *determines* how you are able to arrange the furniture you bring in to it. This is how I think about Jung's archetypes. If it was truly nothing but nurture then the blank slate people would need to start the analogy back to the point of drawing up blueprints for the apartment, and at that point it loses all explanatory power. It isn't that the metaphor used by blank slate people is a wrong analogy, it's that they are ignoring the crucial fact that the shape of the apartment determines how it can be furnished. You're born with the capacity to cope with different stimuli, and this capacity varies from person to person. I believe that's the heart of personality differences.
We have hundreds oif millions of years of biological evolution that can not be ignored as much as some philosophers would like. Some of that furniture may not fit through the front door or be suitable for sitting or sleeping on.
Studying history from books is one thing and I do not discount it as to set things in context....however there is no way to truly understand a people and their culture unless one has lived amongst them long enough. Sometimes true understanding never happens. I hear a lot of westerners analyzing and talking about other countries as if they knew something. One has to be careful....the lenses they look through are western and that might create some distortion.
Gary seems not only widely read but thoroughly human, meaning integrated. I appreciate you allowing the conversation to meander on and off topic organically, I think it really brought forth the guest's personality and showcased some of his breadth and depth. Great, great stuff.
I reject the idea that it is religious, but accept the idea the Putin has a deeply cynical take on religion, using it to the ends of state. And if we know from history, the ends always justify the means. (But that is not religious doctrine, that would be communist doctrine)
Ends justifying the means is not strictly a communist doctrine, but rather a tyrannical one which communism, like all tyrannies (ie: royalty, dictatorship, fascism, Nazism, etc etc etc) , uses. I think it's more Machiavellian which is just a name given to narcissistic pursuit of power (all forms) which is what we're really talking about.
@@OrwellsHousecat The definitions I go by , are a religion is empowering the individual whereas a cult is dis-empowering the individual. To the extent that individuals are being subverted at the behest of an arbitrary head of state, I would argue that is a cult, and yes all nations are kind of cults when they use religion to their own ends.
@@OrwellsHousecat I hear you, but all you have to do is look at what the religion is saying broadly, and what the leaders are doing "in the name" of said religion. For example, if you have scripture of ideology such as....thou shalt not lie, steal, harm, cheat, kill etc. then you do all those things, I would argue, that you have collectivized the religion into a "cult" that is no longer serving the individual as sacred, but it is serving the cult, in particular the cult leader, at the expense of the followers of the cult.
@@OrwellsHousecat - the psychopathy of power infects every human endeavor. It would be a mistake to single out religion which is often a tool used by those in pursuit of power. All organized religions suffer from this. The only spiritual relationship that ultimately matters is the one between the individual and the Creator. Everything else is a superfluous distraction.
Watching and listening to this conversation was such an amazing experience. What a great analysis. Thank you so much!--- It would be great to talk about the how the American evangelicals sent missionaries to Russia after the fall of the USSR. This explains how the American Religious right has found a reflection of what they strive to be, a totalitarian theocracy. The problem is, such a thing is incompatible with democracy.
The fundamental quality needed for democracy is equality. However freedom of speech goes hand in hand with healthy voting rights, as well as a brotherhood in the economy. The problem with Soviet Russia was they actually brought the principal of equality into the economic sphere whereas it should only be related to the political. Also they did not embrace the importance of freedom in thought and speech.
@@davycrockett8886 The principle of equality for Marxists it's just a facade. They believe in dialectical materialism, class struggle and elimination of the oppressor by all means. You are too generous about Soviet Union.
The politicians in the United States who generally pay lip service to Christianity usually do so for political purposes afaik. If I remember correctly, George Bush and Hillary have both made mocking comments about religion. Religion may have been brought into politics in Russia, but in the United States everything has been corrupted by money including religion. I remember speaking to an American guy who said he went to church because it helped him make business deals. I think Jesus throwing out the money lenders from the church, was an indication of the need to separate church and business. For sure religion also needs to be separated from the state, I will agree that a good democracy needs to apply this principal.
26:58.. it would be the equivalent of the US saying England is our motherland or Brazil saying Portugal is our birth place sowe have to invade it to reunite the kingdom...
@@GaryLachman I have no problem with them if they're fans of Blondie, as I am. But using a superficial knowledge of the esoteric tradition of the West as a vehicle to legitimize the corrupt current liberal progressive order is beyond the pale.
As always Gary never fails to elucidate and impart the totality of the complexities of the topic he delves into with his integrated analytical and esoteric approach
Konstantin Kisin said on his latest Triggernometry episode with a historian that he’s been listening to Russian media and conversations and was shocked at how religious it all was.
What Gary Lachman is discussing is very important but the root of Russia's Historical Idealism is through the fall of Constantinople in 1453 A.D. to the Ottoman Turks. Russian Orthodox Christianity sees "The Three Jerusalems" - The original Jerusalem as the first. The second was Constantinople during Byzantium Empire. The Third and final Jerusalem is Moscow after the takeover by the Ottoman Turks in the 15th Century. It is why there's a divergence between Eastern Orthodox Christianity and Russian Orthodox Christianity. This divergence was further developed in Russia from the 18th Century onto to today's Putin's Russia in the 21st Century.
So happy to see Gary out promoting his book. He had been writing, with erudition, on fascinating subjects connected to the metaphysical for decades and has been growing in popularity thanks to channels like his one. Great stuff.
Space- there is no out there, everthing is within- perception- programs, belief system-lose conceptional thoughts and know who you really are- self realization- there is a greater force, but that which you are part of-
My master's thesis was devoted to this issue. The approach of Austin Farrer of Oxford was "tacking towards the truth," hence my song "Coming Closer to the Wind" and my channel "Live Armadillo," a response to Jim Hightower's _There's Nothing in the Middle of the Road but Yellow Stripes and Dead Armadillos_. Christianity offers internalized morality--the "self control" fruit of the Spirit, transcending Western decadence and Putin's brutality. Billy Graham and John Paul II helped bring down the Iron Curtain.
Actually no. Moscow rose to power during the last years of the Mongol rule. The Rus' were the descendants of the original Danes who were absorbed into the indigenous Slavs. Kievan Rus' is known as "The Lost Kingdom".
people want bread, clothing and housing. if the state doesn’t guarantee all three of these, corporations are bound to exploit the hell out of the people
Hey James, I’ll be checking that video out for sure. We recently attended our 2nd Liturgy so all this can be quite discombobulating. We don’t equate Russia or Ukraine with the Church but it definitely feels like a war in the family type of thing.
The longer written piece on Sensemaking Russia & Ukraine is just published on our Substack, with multiple links to articles and useful threads: rebelwisdom.substack.com/p/sensemaking-russia-and-ukraine-rebel?
And a brilliantly written newsletter today in our inboxes! Many thanks, David.
Who is he talking about around 31:00? Dugan? Dugin? Doogen? Can't find anything about him. (showing my ignorance here)
Has anyone done a deep dive into Putin's genealogy? Is he related to Russian nobility or high-ranked officials from before the Bolsheviks? Does he think he has noblesse oblige?
@@MarkusBohunovsky Aleksandr Dugin: tec.fsi.stanford.edu/docs/aleksandr-dugins-foundations-geopolitics
@@MarkusBohunovsky Google Alexander Dugin Russia
More than ever, I believe it’s important to understand the Russian perspective. Even if you consider them to be an enemy, you need to know how they are thinking, and what they are thinking. If not, you’re just walking in the dark
Always good to incorporate more points of view, but do you mean the Russian perspective, or Putin's perspective? These aren't necessarily the same thing.
@@RebelWisdom i f this is an existential fight then they very well could be the same
@@universalflamethrower6342 completely agree. that is why despite all economic, political problems and catastrophic mismanagement, his popularity was around 60-70 per cent among Russians.
@@kraxmalism He has almost complete control of the media and has arrested people who pose a political threat to him, including assassinating threats to his regime. If there were actually space for dissent, you would see that popularity level drop significantly.
@@RebelWisdom I am assuming you are working on this angle, but is there anyway to get more of a psychologist's view of the whole situation? What could make a person think this behavior is okay?
Constantly referring to "does Putin really believe in these values"
You may not agreed with Putins values but I would suggest he genuinely believes in them unlike the hollow rhetoric exhorted by many Western leaders. For example, UK MP's purporting to support Ukraines right to embrace liberal democracy while simultaneously voting through a bill to prevent demonstrations in Britain. Laughable.
It seems all these people however intellectually deep and smart they seem, they don't have the capacity to connect the dots. "Putin is our secular satan who is against personal rights and freedoms!!!" Hey, look at Trudeau. Look at Boris. Look at the ideas they come up with in Davos. "Yeah, that is another theme and another country even! Can you not keep to the subject?! Putin is satan!"
@@jaguillermol It's funny isn't it? I remember a couple of years ago former British Prim Minister saying "unlike Russia, we don't imprison political dissidents" the very same day a "far right" activist had been arrested, tried, convicted, sentenced and sent to prison all in the space of a few hours, on a pretext that was later overturned for having been totally illegal by the court of appeal. Their hypocrisy never even occurs to them.
We're told we have to defend the "rules based liberal order", even though the elites of that order respect neither the rule of law, the liberal rights they claim to be defending, nor the very concept of order itself. What they basically mean by it is "we make the rules, and they're whatever we say they are".
@@jdg9999 I think I know who you are talking about. The short guy who founded a certain league? If I write his name or the name of that league my comment will probably get deleted just like yours is, which is also funny. Because I can see it in notifications but not among the comments. Pigs are intelligent animals and have very tasty flesh, so they are not even pigs. I don't know what to call them. Slugs? Worms? Most problems we have are because of them. The only reasonable thing to do is to squish them. But they have all the guns and all the tanks.
Yes, or American Congress men/women buying military stock shares while weeping publicly for peace.
I am utterly baffled that some people think that in this interview I am supporting Putin's inexcusable actions, while others think I am supporting ersatz Ukrainian Nazis. This comes from not listening to what I am saying, and from preferring to react rather than understand. In my books Dark Star Rising and The Return of Holy Russia, I explore and critically analyze the often incoherent but sadly influential ideas of Alexsandr Dugin, as well as those of the post-Soviet vision of the Silver Age theocratic political philosopher Ivan Ilyin. Both have had an influence on Putin, and we are watching the results on the evening news. It behooves anyone trying to come to grips with world events to have some idea of what's behind them. This is what history is about.
It is the same reason that: If you criticise the western media in this scenario then you are a 'genocide enabler' or a 'Putin Supporter' which is because people are completely brainwashed. :-)
Don't be silly, this is internet, everybody think you support everything.
@@wybuchowyukomendant Sad but true.
What many Russians see as "Putin's inexcusable actions" is having waited around for nearly eight years before coming to the rescue of the civilians in Donbass. Russians have been furious at Putin for years for his moderation and patience, because his reluctance to come to the military defense of Donbass civilians has resulted in thousands of deaths of Russian-speaking people there. The people living in Donbass have been under vicious attack by Ukrainian armed forces -- with 14,000 dead -- since shortly after the CIA-orchestrated 2014 coup, in which the U.S., through the initiative of Assistant Sec. of State Victoria Nuland, installed Poroschenko as Ukrainian president.
Ukraine NEVER abided by the Minsk agreements, and indeed Poroschenoko has recently admitted/boasted that Ukraine never had any intention of abiding by the Minsk agreements, instead taking advantage of those eight years to build up their military forces in preparation for an all-out assault on Donbass. We now know that Ukraine planned the UAF invasion of Donbass for March 2022. Russia invaded just in the nick of time, preventing a possible genocide led by the Nazi groups that constituted one-third of the Ukrainian armed forces.
Russian forces have suffered more casualties than they might have, due to their efforts to spare civilian lives -- a task that is made more difficult by the Ukrainian armed forces' favorite tactic of placing their missile launchers and other weaponry inside schools, hospitals and apartment complexes. Even Amnesty International, which despises Russia, recently admitted that most of the war crimes in Ukraine have been committed by Ukrainians, even if Ukraine blames their crimes on the Russians.
Please read Jacques Baud, the highly credentialed former Swiss intelligence officer and U.N.weapons inspector, to find out what has really been going on in Ukraine for the past 30 years. Russia's invasion was NOT "unprovoked" in the least, and the actions of her commander-in-chief are the furthest thing from "inexcusable."
Great interview, thank you very much, Gary.
I continually find it terrifying that small groups of extremely powerful and influential people take it upon themselves to speak for entire nations, entire populaces and go forth doing supposedly their bidding. But what never happens is consensus, what never is achieved is unity, though so many conquers say this is what they are fighting for. The drums of war are beat, nationalism is envoked, religion is weaponized and some ruler, a king, a general, a president, or council is formed and lands that once stood independent get swallowed up in someone else's dream of what the future should be.
We are all humans, our cultures, our unique properties and characteristics born from our unique situations which gives our species resilience. We differ not because we couldn't all choose to be the same (or force), but because specific situations require that we differ in order to survive. One human equipped for one environment suddenly thrown into a far away land will quickly realize the importance of our species ability to be different than one another.
Some humans have abilities that other humans do not, all of us crafted specifically to meet the challenges unique to each individuals life. We specialize and adapt for the environments we grow in. These differences are not to be feared or controlled, for doing so will surely mean that eventually our species will not possess the unique abilities needed to survive in a world that is constantly changing.
Cultures that decide for the rest of the world what is best only accelerate our demise. We do need unity, we do need all humans to come together. But not to become all the same, but to agree that our differences do matter. They are not something to fight over (though some fighting is inevitable) but instead our differences are something to be respected, admired, studied, and appreciated. For what makes one culture unique from another is what makes our species strong and beautiful.
Sometimes the large group repeatedly invests, gives their power away, supports... the "small group."
Those that understand mental parasites, cognitive contagions, idea infections... realize that it takes very little for the few ("small group") to (mentally) infect the large group.
@@JDMumma I'm currently having this conversation with a friend of mine. I think many many people understand this concept in bits and pieces. What I think very few of us or any of us know is how to identify what causes the take over or how to reverse it. What's even scarier to me is it seems many people are gearing up for battle, but have absolutely no clue who or what they are battling. The really scary people are the ones certain that they "know" exactly who to battle.
@@kyukyu5982 I am close to launching a Mental Self-Defense training system to in-power our global human family to prepare for, identify, and defend against dozens - potentially hundreds - of different types of cognitive infiltrations and attacks - aka acquired mental immunity.
Ok the first statement was bizarre. It's like Canada It's not a country blah blah blah. Canada is literally 7 countries/cultures pretending to be one. So completely different from coast to coast.
In my experience with Eastern Orthodoxy I’ve the past few years I would say that the emphasis on “the end times” is not as all consuming as it is in the West, especially Protestantism. There’s not this obsession with the end but acknowledgement that what we do know fashions us into the image or person that we will be when the time comes when we it comes. I don’t have expert religious history on Russia in particular though but it is wise to not both Ukraine and Russia share the same faith. Jonathan Pageau would be a great one to help gain perspective on this issue.
Agreed, If I understand correctly, cessation was accounted for in the philosophy, when people want to be adult and self-determining, they should be free to do so, but until then fatherland Russia will look after them and treat them like children.
The question then is, well why now do they want to remove that self-determination by force of Ukraine, running counter to all religious texts.
My answer would be, it is not religious at all, it is a power grab plain and simple based on a tenuous cooked up collective identity, that Ukraine does not even subscribe to.
Were it not for the Soviet Union, I would buy the whole collectivist doctrine, hook, line and sinker.
When we say Russia now wants this, it wants that, we really mean "Putin" wants this, he wants that. I wont be looking too deep into the religious aspect of Russia, whenever there is a state and military involved. Agreed though Pageau would be your man.
@Rudy Jacket I'm afraid this has almost nothing to do with fascism in Ukraine, it has everything to do with unexploited oil and gas resouces in ukraine, plus geo-strategic location. Borderlands between two super-powers is terribly dangerous place to live. It should be a DMZ.
Agreed. Greek Orthodoxy does not focus on the end times. I don’t know why he thinks this
Jonathan Pageau could use a shrink his name is Carl Jung ... Jung's theory of a collective unconscious was bang on ... universal archetypes and dynamic symbol are ever emergent and form the basis of ALL stories ALL of 'em ... Pageau is blinded by his own inner light a cognitive bias programmed since birth to believe in the shit he does ... he will never convince me the fake son of god who walked on water and fed 5000 sheeple with 2 fish and 5 loaves of bread was real as documented ... Pageau is not an alchemist, a mystic, nor a scienctist. Jung was all three, so was Newton who was an Arian who believed the trinity was bullshit
This guy was really traumatized by Trump. That bit didn’t bring anything to the conversation.
Yup. So if Trump runs again, he’ll have to associate himself with the so-called “evil Putin”. Not buying it. This guy is laying the groundwork for that.
what he describes between 1.00.00 and 1.02.00 is exactly what is happening in the West right now with the atheist WEF's push towards transhumanism.
Trump wants a 1950's America? I think he and all of us would settle for late 90's America
Post-NAFTA? I don’t think so.
I’m down with the 50s.
@@rhondasisco-cleveland2665 Of course you would be. You aren't black in the South. 🤣
@@PrimericanIdol I was incredibly poor in the south, what’s your point?
Apposed to what?
What is happening today that is any different than the 90s?
Was he referring to all Jan 6 protesters as barbarians?!
He was, and they are.
I think this is as the scriptures say 'not a battle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.'
There's a battle raging in the spiritual and we are seeing it playing out on the physical stage.
It's not about left/right east/west, but rather truth vs lies.
We need dreamers not croakers of doom
This guy does a poor job of explaining the ‘Russian psyche’. As an American student of Russian history and culture this guy sounds like a western ‘expert’ in the same way the West historically fails to understand Russia, and instead patronizes them. His understanding of Russian Eschatology is overwrought. The comparison to Trump just reveals him as a partisan first and scholar last. He could argue Trump as the grotesque culmination of western decadence, but comparing him to Putin and the melding of Russian mysticism, Traditionalism and historicism doesn’t track at all, it’s almost laughable. Really, he is expressing his contempt for what he sees as strongman with a cult of personality and tyrannical disposition. The level of myopia required to ignore so much and focus on so little is stunning. It’s like saying Trudeau and Putin are the same simply because Trudeau has revealed his authoritarian illiberalism founded in a religious post-modernism.
Now this guy, an expert on Russia cannot understand what Putin means when he says Lenin created Ukraine, then he laughs. Does he not know the history if WW1 and the Russian civil war of red v white? This guy does more to solidify corporate media tropes and easy judgements. Very underwhelming and disappointing guest. I suppose next time you’ll have on Paul Krugman to discuss why he never been wrong, lol
Thanks for your comment. I am a Hungarian individual and I have met quite a few Russians while I was growing up. I have felt something was a bit off while listening to this guest. Of course, some things this guest argues does make sense but oversimplifying the Russian soul to this extent was a bit disturbing to my ears. So I am very happy to read a positively and meaningfully critical comment too {my thoughts were quite critical too}. Thank you once again for this thoughtful comment. :)
It's definitely laughable,at first, and the most nauseous thing that can immediately get the laughter squaushed.Sad trump's funny
When I studied social sciences in Poland We had a student who was very into history & culture of Russia - who was also a translator of russian literature -& He shared His knowledge with Us
The main message of Him was related to the conditions of social kind there that had made impossible for the civic society to be fully developed
Like in some centuries of the past there were large spaces there peopled in such way that the groups of citizens were so isolated that they were not able to act together or unite together in any way against the rule of the owners
So in this way It was impossible for such to develop the ways of behavior that could lead to the establishment of the democratic siciety
When It comes to The Soul of the country or rather Its Psyche It is not born together with It but comes into being in the słow & gradual way same with the russian One which seems to be not fully developed or not fully integrated as It 's all the time in conflict between Its occidental & slavophile current
As one' s Psyche projects Its inner turmoil to an outside of It - to the big world of international kind ... - It 's just looking for the solutions of Its own inner problems ...
Could be alike in this case ...
Excellent, well written comment, I couldn't agree more with you
Americans dont and will never understand people and generations who have suffered greatly - how could they.
Russian and Slavic people have endured torture and life’s extremes including weather which makes social hardships worse for decades, they look hardened to us but in reality they understand unity of their people and are willing to die for it.
Like the Israeli’s, Arabs and Asians
We - Americans- are the Childern here and we must understand that at some point. They all will go farther, go harder then we can even fathom
I am no theologian,
but when you are raining down mortars,
it aint Christianity.
indeed and stating on live tv that islam has closer ties to Orthodoxy them to catholicism(which putin did) makes you think.
Underrated comment
@@TheDashingRogue mob l
There is no Christianity in the KGB..
Great conversation. Love the scope of it.
Perhaps the differentiation at the end, could be called between the mind and the heart, as well. 🧡
Russia does not have an identity?
I thought it was the last bastion of Christianity.
If you want to understand Putin have a look at a map of Nato and the fact that Britain, USA, Nato have spoken of Russia as the enemy since Russia started to substantially improve there economy.
That identity had to be cultivated again after the fall of the soviet union. They had no identity at the fall, because they came from a system that rejected religion. They needed time to restore some of their old identity.
Russia is only 45-55% Christian
"the last bastion of Christianity" - 😁 in Russia? Indifferent, cynical, greedy, drunk, selfish occupants & killers? I'm from USSR, I know what they are, I served with them in army, I saw them during the Chechen wars in 90th, the war in Georgia in 2008, and in Ukraine from 2014, starting from the occupation of Crimea, Donbass & Lugansk. They are orks & scumbags, who just recalls Christ when they see flying FPV drone in their face.
From my years of personal understanding, we are looking at old western philosophy of freedom vs modern woke philosophy of what freedom is. This is a sad situation. My heart goes to all peoples, we need to be more together, we must hold strong to get to where we need to be together.
Crowds quickly go mad together but slowly recover individually. We're beginning the slow individual recovery followed (hopefully) by a re-coalescing of same like-minded good people the world over. It's a long cycle that repeats over and over again.
Russian people are incredibly resilient.
Or incredibly brainwashed
Most of ex-Soviet people are resilient, especially the one who lived through the collapse of Soviet Union.
It seems odd that through this conversation the fact that this war started as an 8 year civil war is ignored. I know it complicates things, and makes it difficult to talk about ‘Russia vs Ukraine’ but it’s kind of essential to the story of the conflict
Yeah it seems they got some things backwards, they both seem to be ignorant
Is it just me this guy is untruthful on another level
Dude being interviewed seems to have a lot of "knowledge", but very little "wisdom".
Dude, you’re so wise!! Fuck knowledge!!!
Difficult to reconcile "modernity" with "wisdom". The former seems to lead to any number of unwise actions -- at least as long as endless money is being printed! 🤔
This would be a good time to talk to Jonathan Pageau. If he would open up.
Pageau remains silent since the beginning of Russian agression.. something than can't but look cowardly on his part..
@@mostlydead3261 I wouldn't say "cowardly". Maybe it is very complicated for him. But I do long to hear his big picture take on it all. And condemnation of Russian agression.
There is never a good time.
Russia does _not_ want former Soviet Republics (except the 3 Baltic States) in their enemy camp and is willing to do whatever it takes to prevent that from happening.
How difficult is _that_ to comprehend? Why do you need to psychoanalyse Putin or Russia to understand such a simple thing?🙄
I want your home. What next?
@@LLlapPutin is _not_ looking to kick anyone out of their homes. He wants Ukraine not to join his enemies and treat Russian speaking Ukrainians as fellow Ukrainians with rights to their language and culture.
If that is too difficult for Ukrainians, he is ready to make sure it is going to be more difficult to be otherwise.
By the way taking what doesn't belong to them (banditry) is the Western habit, not Russian.
@@conscious_being forget to read any history books?
@@conscious_being Yeah. I want your home and your wife. She told me you can`t please her. I will if you can`t.
@@conscious_being dropping HE on apartment blocs is definitely wanting to kick people out of their homes.
fantastic conversation - helps to put a different perspective on things. Loved the left-right brain and individual/collective comparisons. When I watch content like this I realise how little I know and how much more there is to learn. Thank you!
I would wager that nothing at this level of politics has to do with religious philosophy. It is all about economics and the balance of power.
Wonderful interview. Thanks for all your content.
It's amazing how obviously intelligent people spread confusion with their ignorance.
"Anarchy", (7:40) from the Greek, "An", meaning without , and, "Archos", meaning without rulers, or rulership.
PLEASE NOTE , that's not the same as being without rules, as they are shared, between people who co-operate, and therefore do not dominate and do not try to rule over those co-operated with
Though I don't agree with all of it, this is what has been rolling around in my head ever since Putin's warning to America about Woke. Putin has a soul and wants to restore, not conquer. The McGilchrist parallel was a stroke of genius.
Refer u to Dianne Francis, Putin is cancer, so I don’t hv to rave , 1 tho, y does the righteous side up to a tRump or Putin , 1 is a wanna be the other a straight out killer
Consider this:
All the wrong people (far left lunatics, leftist media, leftist politicians, Hollywood types, etc) are most passionately on the side of Ukraine and lionize Zelensky.
The best people are greatly reserved about this and are more reserved and neutral and sometimes sympathetic to Putin's aims, and even if they are disapproving of Putin are disgusted by the government of Ukraine since 2014.
Great video! I have been searching for this angle since the invasion! Could you start putting your guests' references in the comments? I can't begin to fathom how to spell some of these Russian philosophers. I was excited to here Gary reference Herman Hesse! Thank you!
If Scotland were to separate from England and control its own resources, would this be a happy arrangement of oil and gas?
Hypocrisy is to be able to fix local problems and not critique others that we have bribed to our colonial ideals.
Try living without the sources of power to understand what democracy has never achieved, equanimity.
This is a colonial war, not an understanding of differences in greed on a finite planet using the same atmosphere and imaginary borders based on flat earth principals.
No matter the ‘organization’, greed is not noticed by the laws created for profit.
Exactly, the same, lawmakers .Also the beneficiaries of the laws they are in power of creating, a new arrangement is a must for true equality
Certain resources may be finite, but the mind is close to be infinite, therefore, we will be able to solve even very complex and difficult problems. And regarding 'colonisation', those nations who don't use their talents, will loose them. It is written in the Bible, is almost a natural law. Some cultures have stagnated for hundreds of years, others developed to a very high level.
@@criss5405 well of course the pyramids were colonized by people with squares and the square people thought the pyramids were made by aliens.
@@mellonglass Some cultures needed to be colonized because they developed bankrupt societies. Truth exists and ontological levels as well. In Brazil one of the Indian chiefs said that they want technology and wealth and decried Western do-gooders who would like to keep them at the level of hunter-gatherers. Universals are real.
Regarding pyramids, maybe you can answer without straw man argument. Pharaohs were slave owners. It's factually true.
@@criss5405 Interesting to see the energy loss of maintaining a slave, I bid this information is not studied enough, I would recommend locking up failed leaders also, as they likely take up too many resources.
This and Jordan Peterson's most recent episode really tie together. Thank you.
David Starkey gave a good insight into Russian history and mentality recently.
You mean his talk with Kagan the Neocon? Yeah, I'd agree with that, although I don't mean that as a compliment.
I found this take p good too:
ua-cam.com/video/2Q0E8Rc1FA4/v-deo.html
ooooorrrr, they obfuscate, since both JP and this channel refuse to mention the hats which are absolutely central in Putins decision making. might want to mention those whispering in his ear the entire time. It's like Talking about George W Bush without talking about Cheney. Sensemaking? Nonesense Making.
Greek Orthodoxy does not centrally focus on the end or apocalypse. That’s just completely wrong. The American Protestant offshoots however, can’t stop talking about the apocalypse
It's good to have discernment re Scripture. Roman Catholic Cult of dead Mary, Russian and Ukrainian Orthodox, Roman ecumenical Protestant whores, and money preachers like Copeland, Thousand upon thousands of false teachers , preachers, fake healings and all lies. Prity apocalyptic events await them, especially the demon Pope and his demon ideology and counterfeit Christianity.
This guy needs to read Russian history and the history of ideas in the West. Listeners would be far better off reading Orlando Figes on the former and Stephen Hicks on the latter.
Gary Lachman has published books on Russian History and introduced me to a wealth of Russian philosophers and authors. Amazon recommended Orlando Figes to me and I am starting to read him as well. I think maybe you might also broaden your reading of Russian history.
Gurdjieff’s teachings and ideas were tailor made for Russia and these times.
how so?
This is pretty much what I has always happened in this country as well. The “Manifest Destiny” and “American Exceptionalism” myths created the American imperialism that brought about the Holocaust against the native Americans, the conquest wars against Mexico, and many other aggressions against their neighbors. Of course, religion had a lot to do with that. The politicians then, as they do today, especially the republicans, use religion to manipulate the population and make them believe that is their right to do whatever the Bible tells them to do (obviously with their own interpretation). Putin is just doing the same.
Do you have an example of the Republicans using religion to manipulate the public or using the Bible as an excuse to do whatever they want,?
I find it interesting how people find a different subtopic on a subject to talk about. Thank you Gary Lachman.
Thanks Rebel Wisdom for interviewing again Gary Lachman. He is such a great guest to have, he is so knowledgeable about the esoteric basis of world events. He always gives a fascinating narrative on spiritual developments through history.
Dmitry Orlov would be amazing
Let’s blame Trump and Putin for everything wrong with the world. What a shallow, simple, weak world view? Nothing is our fault or my fault.
Another grifter. Cheap shot at trump aside.
'Rebel Imam' Sheik Imran Hosein, specialised in Islamic eschatology, has a very interesting perspective on this conflict. In his latest video, he speaks out on geopolitical events and the role of orthodox Christianity. Many of his videos pertain to this subject.
"you see that land over there that has huge geo-political strategic significance?"
"yeah, well, legend has it, that is actually our land and it has great religious importance, plus they want to be Russians they don't even know it"
Though we don’t share the same worldview I really missed your podcast over those 2 years. It was kind of filling the important gap. And there seems to be no one to replace you in the work you have been doing.
"Freedom" is quite a relative term, in the west you have the freedom to work and earn money as you want and can, but many people would see much more real freedom in things like a basic income that frees you from of working to death and gives you time to think about what you want to do and be in this world. A quick, market-driven freedom is very different from a slow, "unconstrained" freedom.
Dear Gary please accept my apologies. I went on trying to reach James, I eventually went to his flat today and heard the sad news. I know how close you two were on the last year's and I hope that you are remembering him at his best. I will walk around and do that now. I was very close to James. I wish very much that I had seen him one more time. Dear Rebel Wisdom. I am sorry to use your pages as a contact page but I have no other way. thank you.
How much did you have to dig to find some way of finding someone to connect this with Trump? That is real skill right there, David.
It's not like it's hard to connect Trump to this. He was the President not too long ago, so he had an impact on Russian relations one way or another.
Listening to this guy I became more and more doubtful, wether anything of what he said would really explain what's going on in Russia . Until he claimed the Russians would demand "Lebensraum", in a room sense. Really? The largest country in the world? That does not make sense.
The only people looking for Lebensraum in the world are the Americans...a global one party state under their rule.
Were it not for the Soviet Union, I would buy the whole collectivist doctrine, hook, line and sinker.
When we say Russia now wants this, it wants that, we really mean "Putin" wants this, he wants that.
"This time we will do it right!"
Let him explain
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Agree 100%.
This, I believe, is a major misconception...that there is secular and religious. The concept of secular is based on the belief that God/Spirit is not reality and that belief in God/Spirit is a concept imposed upon reality. If God is reality then the reverse is true...secularism is a concept imposed upon reality. If God is reality and the spiritual an essential component of it...everything has it's origin therein. The only thing that is then "secular" is the rebel mind of man and that is an imposition. So, in reality there would be no truly secular. It is only imagined. A mind is effectively either in submission or rebellion. There is no neutral position, which is what secular is typically regarded as, because the belief that God doesn't exist is considered default reality. Every nation has a religious mission, whether it is aware of it or not and regardless of how it's packaged and labeled. This is how nations were framed, as I recall, by biblical authors.
Excellent, astute, analysis.
@@tmga4922 Thanks for your response. Unsurprisingly, I'm sure... I disagree, and here's why: If it were "neutral" it would not qualify as "rebellious" or "submissive", both of which are qualities based on absolutes, which your framework actually acknowledges.. Secondly, because time and events continually unfold, one cannot take an un-active stance. Reality doesn't allow for it. Your very existence imposes qualitative conditions upon your environment. Even Rush (the band) said "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice". Don't be fooled. And it's got nothing to do with technology. Technology has existed since the first tools and it has done nothing to change the essential nature of man. Absolute neutrality is incompatible with being human.
Russia's religiosity doesn't frighten me half as much as America's does.
An interesting speaker and some great points - as a Russian i can confifm this Me vs We difference, on point with Dostoyevsky and the phylosophers of the Slavianophilia wing.
research Our Lady of Fatima and her request to Consecrate Russia in 1917!!! before Lenin even came to power...
Alexander Dugin's Chaos Magick is behind it all. Behind him is Aleister Crowley. Behind Crowley is Choronzon, the Beast in the Abyss. Gary is making me even more nervous than I already was. He looks worried.
Dugin’s Chaos magick?
@@othalabro8663 Yes, he's a Magi of Chaos.
@@Cybervue lol…
@@othalabro8663 It just occurred to me, that Dugin's fatal metaphysical flaw in this fiasco is that Liber OZ gives man the 'right' to 'kill those' who would thwart his other rights - it justifies murder...except Ukraine never violated any of Russia's rights. So the whole project must fail.
@@Cybervue That depends on whether or now you believe that Ukraine was oppressing the ethnic Russians in the east of Ukraine.
Also, this “Chaos Magi” thing: that is some kind of metaphor, right?
This was a good discussion, but the praise of Zelensky as a hero was really misplace and you could tell the Lachman wasn’t completely comfortable with his own words in that section (slightly awkward and pensive maybe). Could this be because Lachman knows that Zelensky’s ‘government’ has been responsible for the murder of thousands of women, children and old people in the Donbass region, all in the name of the vacuous Western ‘vision’?
Source?
@@dolphin069 none.. this is Russian propaganda bs..
@@mostlydead3261 yeah I know, nada, it was rhetorical. The whole place is crawling with Russian armour and infantry for the past eight years.
thank you for speaking this truth. Its hard for me to hear the western world praise Zelensky. Some great info on recent The Duran channel. Alexander and Alex are knokcing it out of the park.
@@dolphin069 You are a hateful person.
This channel’s wisdom doesn’t quite live up to the description rebellious, does it?
Wisdom is not always contrarianism.
... And if you think Putin is a rebel... Ooh boy! Hopefully not! 😂
Briliant interview. Congrats!
Gary Lachman is an absolute treasure. Vital context for this situation.
Agreed. I imagine you’ve seen his discussions with Jeffery Mishlove, another absolute treasure, on New Thinking Allowed Channel?
Gary Lachman is one of the most knowledgeable guys around. His ability to speak extemporaneously on such diverse topics, and with such precise recollection of names and dates, is both unprecedented and staggering. Bravo Gary (again)!
Wow what an eloquent sycophant you are!
Zelensky is "stepping up the mark" with millions of our dollars
Just throwing it out there but could there be a simpler more reasonable explanation of Putin's behaviour? Could it be that we might say the EU behaved badly when they coopted or even directed the Madan protests. Could it be anything to do with America, Victoria Nulan and Jeff Pyat and the interference in Ukraine politics and picking the new government. Could it be anything to do with the long term advance of NATO despite all the assurances that were given before the unification of Germany that NATO would not advance one inch towards Russia. Could be anything to do with the human barbecue in the union building in Odessa. Could it be the crap that happened in Georgia in 2008. Could it have anything to do with the 14000 people killed in the Donbas region since 2014 by the Ukrainian army and the nazi Azov battalions in particular. Could it be the cutting off of water and food. Could it be the fact that Ukraine has been taking gas from the Russian transit pipelines. Could it be the money the Ukrainians owe for gas used. Could it have anything to do with the Americans arming Ukraine to the teeth. Could it be anything to do with the complete lack of progress by the Ukraine government on the Minsk 2 and their refusal to talk to the leaders of the Donbas region. Could it be the fact that the Ukrainian government refused to cooperate with the Minsk accords because the Americans did not apply any pressure for them to do so.
Or is it that Putin has suddenly become a religious nationalist maniac
Well said, there is an agenda to whip up the masses into a pro global war mindset and paint putin as the evil religious psychopath. The cabal that runs this world can’t stand nationalism or god forbid Christian’s who value family above consumerism. Putin stands up for Russia fiercely, that doesn’t fit the globalists plan. Why are folk so easily manipulated, you’d think two years of covid propaganda would have made them question everything the msm and governments tell them, but it seems not!?
Thank you for this concise analysis and explanation of what brought us to this crisis.
Putin scares the hell out of the new world order.
Thank you for all of those great points. I will pass that on to my media brainwashed friend that text me last night saying someone should assasinate Putin. Such an ignorant statement didn't even deserve a response but that's the kind of hate porn being propagated around the world. Discusting people don't even do any research..Just read the hyperbolic headlines they are spoon fed. Very disturbing.
I was thinking the same thing as I was l listening to gary's ignorance
Gary says Ilyin was right that the end of the Soviet Union would lead to the ‘balkanisation of Russia’. How? Was Russia split apart by the creation of Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Georgia etc? Describing the founding of these modern states as the ‘balkanisation of Russia’ undermines these states’ sovereign right to exist.
I don't describe them as this, Ilyin does and his view seems to go down well with Putin.
@@GaryLachman OK.
27:30 the moment that the conversation goes from the philosophical to the political is where things become "fishy": there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that putin is striving towards recreating the russian empire; or that his aims go "beyond ukraine", none whatsoever. if one were to take putin by his words and reasoning in fact, then quite the contrary would be true; as putin insists that he is motivated by "legitimate national security concerns", and therefore by reason alone.
Putin has said numerous times that he supports forms of Russian irredentism. He said this obliquely when he stated that the collapse of the Soviet Empire was the greatest tragedy of the twentieth century, and he said it explicitly when he said that Ukraine should not exist as a sovereign state. The annexation of Crimea and the invasion of Ukraine is a de facto expression of 'Greater-Russia Irredentism'. There is just no denying that. The state media in Russia published articles stating that the 'Ukraine problem' has been solved as Ukraine has been permanently 'returned to Russia'. Evidently the article was published in the expectation the invasion would be immediately successful.
This IS Russian irredentism. Whether you gloss his aggression with 'national security concerns' or not, this is recreating a Russian empire de facto. Putin denies Ukrainian sovereignty. That is outright colonisation. It just can't be denied. Every single empire in history has justified its aggression on national security concerns. But if Putin were not trying to create a 'Greater Russia', why is he denying the very existence of Ukraine as a sovereign state and why is the Russian state media reporting that Ukraine has been 'returned to Russia'? You can't gloss this. It is empire.
Every nation has security concerns. That's no reason to invade your neighbor, especially when that neighbor is 20 times smaller and 10 times weaker than you for some alleged "security concerns." The security concerns argument is pure nonsense intended to convince the uninformed that there's really some good reason, when there is obviously none. Ukraine isn't even into NATO, hasn't even applied for a NATO membership, what security concerns? Even if Ukraine entered NATO, it would still be of no greater risk to Russia than say the Baltic states, who are in NATO for the last 30 years, are bordering Russia, and can strike at Moscow with nukes easily.
Shit, you have India and Pakistan, both of them nuclear powers, presenting security concerns to each other for decades now. According to Putin's "logic", they should invade each other asap.
It's bullshit. Putin is a psychopath, or is just getting old and bit crazy and paranoid. Or he's dying, so he decided to try and go out with a grand gesture.
Also give this a read, it's quite informative, or you know, just read more about Russian history and their expansionism and you see how it all clicks. Most Slavic nations fear or hate Russia because they have been historically invaded and occupied by her. It's also why they joined NATO in droves - because only uncle Sam is strong enough to defend them against "Mother Russia." (the Devouring Mother).
www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/02/28/world-war-iii-already-there-00012340
@@EyeOfTheTiger777 Absolutely. Security concerns about something that wasn't even close to happening do not justify denying the whole existence of a state. This is empire building. There truly is no way of escaping that. Russia's neighbours know this well, which is why all of the Slavic and Baltic countries have denounced Putin (except Belarus and Serbia). They know well that this is 'Greater Russia' in action.
@@wodenravens Serbia faced “security concerns” in Bosnia, Croatia, and still today, apparently, in Kosovo. There is something eerily creepy in the Russo-Serbian axis. That Marshal Tito was able to fend them off is surely one of the more remarkable stories of the 20th century.
Putin knows that Ukraine has Biolabs intended to destroy many Slavic people, look at all the military bases around Russian borders, taking Ukraine was the easiest first step, many reason why, the nazis regime funded by the west to destroy the east, biolans, nuclear weapons, the fact it is still part of Russia by international law, many reasons. This is not about expansion of Russia, this is about expansion of one world government run by people that coordinate and undermine most goverments around the world, Russia stands in their way. Jacob Rothchild in 2015 has said about Putin that he is a traitor to their new world order, go figure.
To be fair Russian culture sounds way cooler than "muh liberal individualism"
It's all about how high we can stick our noses in the air around here
A lot of words for imperial fascism.
edit: Having listened to the whole thing now the dude knows his stuff. His too diplomatically inclined for my taste. But he is very knowledgeable.
Is the struggle perpetual, then? An unending cycle of uncertain liberalism and well defined authoritarianism until the sun blinks out? Seems bleak. My days on Earth are wrapping up, but I'd hoped for something better for my family.
Pootin is using the Orthodox Church. He's obviously not religious at all
I really liked the IKEA metaphor for nature vs nurture.
I'd like to expand it and say that those who claim that you're a blank slate, you're an empty apartment waiting for furnishing, are partly correct. But they are crucially missing the nature piece, which would be the fact that the particular geometry of the apartment *determines* how you are able to arrange the furniture you bring in to it. This is how I think about Jung's archetypes. If it was truly nothing but nurture then the blank slate people would need to start the analogy back to the point of drawing up blueprints for the apartment, and at that point it loses all explanatory power.
It isn't that the metaphor used by blank slate people is a wrong analogy, it's that they are ignoring the crucial fact that the shape of the apartment determines how it can be furnished.
You're born with the capacity to cope with different stimuli, and this capacity varies from person to person. I believe that's the heart of personality differences.
Great analogy.
Your comment made me smile in recognition. Thanks. 😊
We have hundreds oif millions of years of biological evolution that can not be ignored as much as some philosophers would like. Some of that furniture may not fit through the front door or be suitable for sitting or sleeping on.
Studying history from books is one thing and I do not discount it as to set things in context....however there is no way to truly understand a people and their culture unless one has lived amongst them long enough. Sometimes true understanding never happens. I hear a lot of westerners analyzing and talking about other countries as if they knew something. One has to be careful....the lenses they look through are western and that might create some distortion.
A lot of Russians want a different leader but the elections are rigged. In Belarus the same.
That light bulb is distracting
Great video, well done. You should try to add a little back light to help you pop out from background 👍
At 56:22 what does David say?
Can anybody tell me, pls!
“Well, I didn’t even look or think of it that way...”
@@sh0k0nes thank you, but that is what the guest Gary Lachman says. Can you catch David's comment?
@@peterprincic2830 yes, sorry, what @Main said
Thank you 👍 M ☮️🌹X 👍
Judgement time has come.
Thank you!
Gary seems not only widely read but thoroughly human, meaning integrated. I appreciate you allowing the conversation to meander on and off topic organically, I think it really brought forth the guest's personality and showcased some of his breadth and depth. Great, great stuff.
I reject the idea that it is religious, but accept the idea the Putin has a deeply cynical take on religion, using it to the ends of state.
And if we know from history, the ends always justify the means. (But that is not religious doctrine, that would be communist doctrine)
Maybe a better word to describe the manner of thinking would be Dogmatic this covers both of your identified isms.
Ends justifying the means is not strictly a communist doctrine, but rather a tyrannical one which communism, like all tyrannies (ie: royalty, dictatorship, fascism, Nazism, etc etc etc) , uses. I think it's more Machiavellian which is just a name given to narcissistic pursuit of power (all forms) which is what we're really talking about.
@@OrwellsHousecat The definitions I go by , are a religion is empowering the individual whereas a cult is dis-empowering the individual. To the extent that individuals are being subverted at the behest of an arbitrary head of state, I would argue that is a cult, and yes all nations are kind of cults when they use religion to their own ends.
@@OrwellsHousecat I hear you, but all you have to do is look at what the religion is saying broadly, and what the leaders are doing "in the name" of said religion. For example, if you have scripture of ideology such as....thou shalt not lie, steal, harm, cheat, kill etc. then you do all those things, I would argue, that you have collectivized the religion into a "cult" that is no longer serving the individual as sacred, but it is serving the cult, in particular the cult leader, at the expense of the followers of the cult.
@@OrwellsHousecat - the psychopathy of power infects every human endeavor. It would be a mistake to single out religion which is often a tool used by those in pursuit of power. All organized religions suffer from this. The only spiritual relationship that ultimately matters is the one between the individual and the Creator. Everything else is a superfluous distraction.
Watching and listening to this conversation was such an amazing experience. What a great analysis. Thank you so much!--- It would be great to talk about the how the American evangelicals sent missionaries to Russia after the fall of the USSR. This explains how the American Religious right has found a reflection of what they strive to be, a totalitarian theocracy. The problem is, such a thing is incompatible with democracy.
Democracy.....how quaint.
The fundamental quality needed for democracy is equality. However freedom of speech goes hand in hand with healthy voting rights, as well as a brotherhood in the economy. The problem with Soviet Russia was they actually brought the principal of equality into the economic sphere whereas it should only be related to the political. Also they did not embrace the importance of freedom in thought and speech.
@@davycrockett8886 The principle of equality for Marxists it's just a facade. They believe in dialectical materialism, class struggle and elimination of the oppressor by all means. You are too generous about Soviet Union.
The politicians in the United States who generally pay lip service to Christianity usually do so for political purposes afaik. If I remember correctly, George Bush and Hillary have both made mocking comments about religion. Religion may have been brought into politics in Russia, but in the United States everything has been corrupted by money including religion. I remember speaking to an American guy who said he went to church because it helped him make business deals. I think Jesus throwing out the money lenders from the church, was an indication of the need to separate church and business. For sure religion also needs to be separated from the state, I will agree that a good democracy needs to apply this principal.
What does the interviewer say exactly at 56:22-56:23? Lachman responds, "Exactly," but it's impossible for me to distinguish in the audio background.
What word did the interviewer say at 56:22?
26:58.. it would be the equivalent of the US saying England is our motherland or Brazil saying Portugal is our birth place sowe have to invade it to reunite the kingdom...
Absolutely brilliant. But did he even mention vodka once in this interview? Feels like he has some blindspots.
thank you
This is what you get when Rock musicians don't stay in their lane and presume to be profound thinkers.
I guess you have to blame my fans...
@@GaryLachman I have no problem with them if they're fans of Blondie, as I am.
But using a superficial knowledge of the esoteric tradition of the West as a vehicle to legitimize the corrupt current liberal progressive order is beyond the pale.
As always Gary never fails to elucidate and impart the totality of the complexities of the topic he delves into with his integrated analytical and esoteric approach
A little short of totality I'd say
Your just going to ignore the whole trucker convoy?
Yep and you should also
I doubt Canadian & US truckers are intellectually deep enough to gain an interview spot 🤔
Great video
Konstantin Kisin said on his latest Triggernometry episode with a historian that he’s been listening to Russian media and conversations and was shocked at how religious it all was.
Might as well interview Pat Robertson…
What Gary Lachman is discussing is very important but the root of Russia's Historical Idealism is through the fall of Constantinople in 1453 A.D. to the Ottoman Turks. Russian Orthodox Christianity sees "The Three Jerusalems" - The original Jerusalem as the first. The second was Constantinople during Byzantium Empire. The Third and final Jerusalem is Moscow after the takeover by the Ottoman Turks in the 15th Century. It is why there's a divergence between Eastern Orthodox Christianity and Russian Orthodox Christianity. This divergence was further developed in Russia from the 18th Century onto to today's Putin's Russia in the 21st Century.
So happy to see Gary out promoting his book. He had been writing, with erudition, on fascinating subjects connected to the metaphysical for decades and has been growing in popularity thanks to channels like his one. Great stuff.
Is it me or is that "Mm. Mm mm" in the background weird?
Space- there is no out there, everthing is within- perception- programs, belief system-lose conceptional thoughts and know who you really are- self realization- there is a greater force, but that which you are part of-
My master's thesis was devoted to this issue. The approach of Austin Farrer of Oxford was "tacking towards the truth," hence my song "Coming Closer to the Wind" and my channel "Live Armadillo," a response to Jim Hightower's _There's Nothing in the Middle of the Road but Yellow Stripes and Dead Armadillos_. Christianity offers internalized morality--the "self control" fruit of the Spirit, transcending Western decadence and Putin's brutality. Billy Graham and John Paul II helped bring down the Iron Curtain.
Bravo Great podcast Thank you...
What an awesome guest and great interview
is that your freaking mood lighting? i thought i was watching an interrogation!
This was so good I appreciate this channel very much indeed
It's Ukraine that comes from Kyiv Rus. "Russia" comes from Muscovy.
Actually no. Moscow rose to power during the last years of the Mongol rule. The Rus' were the descendants of the original Danes who were absorbed into the indigenous Slavs. Kievan Rus' is known as "The Lost Kingdom".
@@GaryLachman yes Muscovy comes from Asian tribes/ Golden Horde - 0 at all to do with Kyiv Rus.
Kievan Rus' was lost to the Mongols, hence the "lost kingdom." All Russians go back to Rurik.
@@GaryLachman You have no idea what you talmbout - I stopped listening to this video 2 mins in because of such an error.
people want bread, clothing and housing. if the state doesn’t guarantee all three of these, corporations are bound to exploit the hell out of the people
I did a short video called "Russia Ukrian & Spiritual Warfare" on my channel. Sort if in line with the analysis here. Thanks for the interview.
Hey James, I’ll be checking that video out for sure. We recently attended our 2nd Liturgy so all this can be quite discombobulating. We don’t equate Russia or Ukraine with the Church but it definitely feels like a war in the family type of thing.
Keep going to Liturgy, and may God bless you on your journey.